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162: Unsung Olympic Heroes · Sports History Network

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their
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names
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are.
1:10
Quite
1:10
familiar
1:10
and
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they're
1:11
spoken
1:11
of
1:12
about.
1:13
Once
1:13
every
1:13
four
1:14
years.
1:14
Michael
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Phelps,
1:15
Katie
1:16
Ledecky,
1:17
Lindsey
1:18
Vonn,
1:18
Usain
1:19
Bolt.
1:20
And
1:20
the
1:20
list
1:21
goes
1:21
on.
1:22
Olympic
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heroes
1:24
who
1:24
won
1:24
the
1:25
gold
1:25
with
1:26
record
1:26
setting
1:27
performances.
1:29
But
1:29
there
1:30
are
1:30
others
1:30
who
1:31
go
1:31
unnoticed,
1:32
who
1:32
train
1:33
just
1:33
as
1:33
hard,
1:34
if
1:34
not
1:34
harder.
1:35
But
1:36
something
1:36
happened
1:37
along
1:37
the
1:37
way
1:38
to
1:38
launch
1:38
them
1:39
into
1:39
another
1:40
category.
1:41
And
1:41
next
1:42
on
1:42
Sports
1:43
Forgotten
1:44
Heroes,
1:44
we're
1:45
going
1:45
to
1:45
explore
1:46
the
1:46
unique
1:47
circumstances
1:48
of
1:48
several
1:49
unsung
1:50
heroes
1:51
of
1:52
the
1:52
Olympics.
1:54
This
1:54
is
1:55
Sports
1:55
Forgotten
1:56
Heroes,
1:57
a
1:57
tribute
1:57
to
1:57
the
1:57
stars
1:58
who
1:58
shape
1:58
the
1:58
games
1:59
we
1:59
love
1:59
to
1:59
watch
2:00
and
2:00
the
2:00
games
2:00
we
2:01
love
2:01
to
2:01
play.
2:01
Stars
2:02
who
2:02
provided
2:02
us
2:03
with
2:03
many
2:03
thrills,
2:04
but
2:04
when
2:04
their
2:04
time
2:05
was
2:05
up,
2:05
they
2:05
faded
2:06
away.
2:07
We'll
2:07
take
2:07
a
2:07
look
2:07
back
2:08
at
2:08
their
2:08
spectacular
2:09
careers,
2:09
their
2:09
moments
2:10
of
2:10
fame,
2:10
even
2:11
if
2:11
it
2:11
was
2:11
just
2:11
for
2:11
one
2:12
season
2:12
or
2:12
just
2:13
one
2:13
game.
2:14
And
2:14
now,
2:14
here's
2:15
your
2:15
host,
2:15
Warren
2:16
Rogan.
2:17
Hello
2:18
and
2:18
welcome
2:18
to
2:18
Sports
2:19
forgotten
2:19
heroes,
2:20
episode
2:21
162,
2:23
unsung
2:24
heroes
2:25
of
2:25
the
2:25
Olympics.
2:27
Now,
2:28
this
2:28
is
2:28
a
2:28
pretty
2:29
unique
2:29
episode
2:30
and
2:30
my
2:30
guest
2:30
today
2:30
is
2:31
Doug
2:31
Levy,
2:32
the
2:32
host
2:32
of
2:32
the
2:32
podcast
2:33
under
2:34
the
2:34
Radar.
2:35
Olympic
2:36
athletes
2:36
you
2:37
gotta
2:37
meet.
2:38
Doug
2:39
also
2:39
recently
2:40
released
2:40
a
2:41
wonderful
2:41
book
2:42
called
2:42
Hero
2:45
profiles
2:45
of
2:46
Olympic
2:46
athletes
2:47
under
2:48
the
2:48
radar.
2:50
You
2:50
know,
2:50
it's
2:51
truly
2:51
fascinating
2:52
to
2:52
look
2:52
back
2:53
at
2:53
some
2:53
of
2:53
these
2:53
Olympians.
2:54
And
2:55
while
2:55
we
2:55
won't
2:56
discuss
2:56
all
2:56
of
2:57
the
2:57
Olympians
2:57
that
2:58
Doug
2:58
addresses
2:59
in
2:59
his
2:59
book,
3:00
there
3:01
are
3:01
a
3:01
few
3:02
who
3:02
have
3:02
terrific
3:03
stories
3:04
that
3:04
we're
3:04
going
3:04
to
3:04
talk
3:05
about
3:05
on
3:05
today's
3:06
show.
3:07
Peter
3:07
Norman
3:08
from
3:08
Australia,
3:09
who
3:10
stood
3:10
alongside
3:11
Tommy
3:12
Smith
3:12
and
3:12
John
3:13
Carlos
3:14
in
3:14
1968
3:16
in
3:16
Mexico
3:17
City
3:18
and
3:18
the
3:18
ramifications
3:19
that
3:20
followed.
3:21
Manteo
3:22
Mitchell,
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who
3:23
ran
3:24
on
3:24
a
3:24
broken
3:25
leg
3:25
in
3:26
the
3:26
2012
3:27
Summer
3:27
Olympics
3:28
in
3:28
London.
3:29
Alexander
3:30
Cushing.
3:31
Now,
3:32
he
3:32
was
3:32
not
3:33
an
3:33
Olympian,
3:34
but
3:34
he
3:35
was
3:35
the
3:35
figure
3:36
behind
3:37
securing
3:39
the
3:39
1960
3:40
Winter
3:41
Olympic
3:42
Games
3:43
in
3:43
Squaw
3:44
Valley,
3:44
California.
3:45
A
3:46
fascinating
3:46
story
3:47
there.
3:48
And
3:48
then
3:48
there's
3:49
Lawrence
3:49
Lemieux,
3:50
who
3:51
is
3:51
a
3:52
hero
3:53
in
3:53
every
3:54
sense
3:54
of
3:54
the
3:55
world.
3:56
He
3:56
got
3:56
himself
3:57
disqualified
3:58
from
3:58
his
3:58
race
3:59
to
3:59
save
4:00
the
4:00
life
4:00
of
4:01
another
4:02
in
4:02
the
4:02
1988
4:04
Summer
4:04
Olympics
4:05
in
4:05
Seoul,
4:06
South
4:06
Korea.
4:08
Yeah,
4:08
we're
4:09
going
4:09
to
4:09
discuss
4:09
all
4:10
of
4:10
these
4:10
great
4:10
Olympians
4:11
and
4:11
a
4:11
few
4:11
others
4:11
with
4:12
Doug.
4:12
But
4:13
first,
4:13
a
4:13
few
4:13
reminders.
4:14
Please
4:14
follow
4:15
Sports
4:15
Forgotten
4:16
Heroes
4:16
on
4:16
X@SportsFheroes.
4:18
Look
4:19
for
4:19
the
4:19
Sports
4:19
Forgotten
4:20
Heroes
4:20
page
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on
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Facebook.
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And
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wherever
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it
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is
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you
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are
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listening,
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please
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and
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give
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Heroes
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a
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follow
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and
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a
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like
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and
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if
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you
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can,
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please
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write
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a
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review,
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a
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really
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nice
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review,
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and
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if
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you
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want
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to
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reach
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com
4:48
and
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as
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always,
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I
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thank
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you
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for
4:51
your
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support.
4:53
Okay,
4:53
let's
4:53
get
4:53
into
4:54
today's
4:54
show
4:54
with
4:54
my
4:55
guest,
4:55
Doug
4:56
Lee.
5:00
Doug,
5:00
welcome
5:00
to
5:01
Sports
5:01
Forgotten
5:02
Heroes.
5:02
I
5:02
am
5:03
thrilled
5:03
you
5:04
are
5:04
here
5:04
talking
5:05
to
5:05
us
5:06
about
5:06
such
5:06
a
5:06
great
5:07
topic,
5:08
Unsung
5:09
Heroes
5:10
of
5:10
the
5:10
Olympics.
5:11
Thanks
5:11
for
5:12
being
5:12
here.
5:13
Of
5:13
course,
5:13
Warren,
5:14
pleasure
5:14
to
5:14
be
5:14
here.
5:15
Hey,
5:16
man,
5:18
I
5:18
gotta
5:18
ask
5:19
the
5:19
question.
5:19
I
5:20
mean,
5:20
it's
5:21
such
5:21
an
5:21
interesting
5:22
topic
5:23
and
5:23
sort
5:23
of
5:24
really
5:24
does
5:24
fit
5:25
the
5:25
genre
5:26
of
5:26
the
5:26
show.
5:26
Sports
5:27
Forgotten
5:28
Heroes
5:28
you're
5:29
talking
5:29
about.
5:31
Maybe
5:31
not
5:32
necessarily
5:33
Forgotten
5:34
Heroes,
5:34
but
5:35
certainly,
5:35
as
5:36
your
5:36
books
5:37
says,
5:37
Unsung
5:38
Heroes
5:40
from
5:40
the
5:41
Olympics.
5:42
I
5:42
gotta
5:42
ask
5:43
you,
5:44
where
5:45
did
5:45
your
5:45
idea
5:46
for
5:47
this
5:47
topic
5:48
come
5:48
from?
5:49
And
5:50
then
5:51
how
5:51
did
5:51
you
5:51
decide
5:53
on
5:53
which
5:54
Olympians
5:56
to
5:56
discuss?
5:58
Well,
5:58
it's
5:59
a
5:59
great
5:59
question.
5:59
I
6:00
think
6:00
the
6:00
foundation
6:01
starts
6:01
with
6:01
the
6:02
Olympic
6:02
Games.
6:02
I'm
6:03
an
6:03
unabashed
6:04
lover
6:04
of
6:04
them
6:05
whether
6:05
it's
6:06
summer
6:06
or
6:06
winter.
6:07
And
6:08
so
6:09
ever
6:09
since
6:09
I
6:10
was
6:10
a
6:10
little
6:10
kid,
6:11
when
6:11
the
6:12
Olympics
6:12
come
6:12
around,
6:13
I'm
6:14
one
6:14
of
6:14
those
6:14
who's
6:14
front
6:15
and
6:15
center.
6:16
But
6:16
I've
6:17
always
6:17
been
6:19
fascinated
6:19
by
6:20
the
6:20
fact
6:21
that
6:21
certainly
6:22
in
6:22
the
6:22
United
6:22
States
6:23
we
6:24
get
6:24
fixated
6:25
on
6:25
the
6:25
winners
6:26
and
6:26
the
6:26
medal
6:26
stand
6:28
and
6:28
there
6:29
are
6:29
so
6:29
many
6:30
stories
6:30
beyond
6:31
the
6:31
medal
6:32
stand.
6:32
And
6:34
I'll
6:34
tell
6:34
you
6:34
the
6:34
athletes
6:35
that
6:35
sort
6:36
of
6:37
formed
6:37
the
6:37
whole
6:38
idea
6:38
for
6:39
my
6:40
book
6:40
Hero
6:40
Redefined.
6:42
I
6:42
remember
6:43
all
6:43
those
6:43
years
6:44
ago
6:44
at
6:44
the
6:44
1984
6:45
Olympics
6:46
in
6:46
Los
6:46
Angeles.
6:47
And
6:48
it's
6:48
funny,
6:48
we're
6:49
about
6:49
to
6:49
have
6:49
them
6:49
again
6:50
in
6:50
2028
6:51
in
6:51
Los
6:51
Angeles.
6:52
But
6:53
there
6:53
was
6:53
a
6:54
Swiss
6:54
born
6:55
marathon
6:55
runner
6:56
named
6:56
Gabrielle
6:57
Anderson
6:57
Schias.
6:59
And
7:00
I
7:00
think
7:01
your
7:01
listeners,
7:01
if
7:02
they
7:02
were
7:02
to
7:02
Google
7:03
that
7:03
name
7:04
and
7:04
look
7:04
at
7:05
video,
7:05
they
7:05
could
7:06
find
7:06
a
7:06
woman
7:07
who
7:07
came
7:08
into
7:08
the
7:08
Olympic
7:09
stadium
7:09
at
7:10
the
7:10
end
7:10
of
7:10
that
7:10
marathon,
7:11
lurching
7:12
from
7:12
side
7:13
to
7:13
side
7:13
and
7:14
looking
7:14
as
7:15
if
7:15
she
7:15
might
7:15
not
7:16
even
7:16
make
7:16
it.
7:17
And
7:19
yet
7:19
she
7:19
did.
7:20
And
7:21
she
7:21
got
7:22
a
7:22
thunderous
7:22
ovation
7:23
from
7:23
the
7:23
crowd
7:24
in
7:24
Los
7:24
Angeles
7:25
for
7:26
what
7:26
she
7:26
did.
7:26
I
7:26
don't
7:27
want
7:27
to
7:27
spoil
7:27
every
7:28
detail
7:28
of
7:28
the
7:28
book,
7:29
but.
7:29
Right.
7:30
She
7:30
was
7:30
one
7:31
of
7:31
those
7:31
that
7:32
really
7:33
triggered
7:33
my
7:34
idea
7:34
for
7:36
Unsung
7:37
Heroes
7:37
beyond
7:38
the
7:38
medal
7:38
Stand.
7:39
So
7:40
I
7:40
wanted
7:40
to
7:41
look
7:41
at
7:41
those
7:42
athletes
7:42
who
7:43
typically
7:43
didn't
7:44
win
7:44
medals,
7:45
you
7:46
know,
7:46
men
7:46
and
7:46
women,
7:47
summer
7:47
and
7:48
winter
7:49
and
7:49
frankly
7:50
around
7:51
the
7:51
world,
7:51
because
7:51
there's
7:52
athletes
7:52
in
7:52
the
7:53
book
7:53
representing
7:54
nations
7:55
from
7:55
six
7:55
different
7:56
continents.
7:56
So
7:58
I,
7:58
I
7:58
wanted
7:59
to
7:59
help
7:59
people
7:59
Understand
8:00
that
8:01
heroism
8:02
isn't
8:02
just
8:02
that
8:03
front
8:03
page
8:03
headline
8:04
in
8:04
front
8:04
of
8:04
you.
8:05
And
8:05
in
8:05
the
8:05
case
8:05
of
8:05
the
8:05
Olympics,
8:06
that
8:07
gold
8:08
and
8:08
bronze
8:08
and
8:09
silver
8:10
medal
8:10
winning
8:11
person
8:11
in
8:12
front
8:12
of
8:12
you.
8:14
Yeah.
8:14
You
8:14
know,
8:14
it's
8:14
funny
8:15
you
8:15
say
8:15
that,
8:16
how
8:16
we
8:16
are
8:16
so
8:17
fixated
8:18
on
8:19
the
8:19
medal
8:20
count
8:21
and
8:22
really
8:22
interesting,
8:23
you
8:24
know,
8:24
the
8:25
Olympics
8:27
that
8:27
just
8:27
passed,
8:28
the
8:28
Winter
8:28
Olympics
8:29
that
8:29
just
8:29
passed.
8:32
Speaking
8:32
with
8:33
my
8:33
family
8:34
and
8:34
friends,
8:34
like,
8:35
ugh,
8:36
we're
8:36
just
8:37
doing
8:37
so
8:37
poorly.
8:38
Look,
8:38
a
8:38
little
8:39
country
8:39
like
8:39
Norway
8:40
is
8:40
beating
8:41
us.
8:41
And
8:41
I'm
8:41
like,
8:42
well,
8:42
first
8:42
of
8:42
all,
8:43
Norway
8:44
usually
8:45
gets
8:45
more
8:45
Olympic
8:46
medals
8:46
in
8:47
the
8:47
winter
8:48
than
8:48
we
8:48
do.
8:49
And
8:50
it
8:51
was
8:51
really
8:51
interesting
8:52
in
8:53
that
8:55
we
8:55
won
8:56
more
8:56
gold
8:56
medals
8:58
in
8:58
this
8:58
Olympics
8:59
than
8:59
we
9:00
had
9:00
ever
9:00
done
9:01
in
9:01
the
9:01
Winter
9:02
Olympics
9:03
before.
9:04
And
9:05
because
9:07
of
9:08
some
9:08
of
9:08
those
9:09
who
9:09
we
9:09
counted
9:10
on
9:10
to
9:10
win
9:11
medals,
9:12
who
9:12
we
9:12
thought
9:13
were
9:13
going
9:13
to
9:13
be
9:13
on
9:14
the
9:14
podium
9:15
and
9:15
were
9:15
not
9:16
on
9:16
the
9:16
podium,
9:17
Ilya
9:18
Malinin
9:18
and
9:21
actually,
9:21
I
9:22
think
9:22
we
9:22
thought
9:23
Lindsey
9:23
Vonn
9:24
would
9:24
be
9:24
there,
9:25
and
9:25
we
9:25
thought
9:26
that
9:26
Chloe
9:26
Kim
9:27
was
9:27
gonna
9:27
get
9:27
a
9:27
gold
9:28
medal,
9:29
and
9:29
they
9:29
didn't.
9:30
And
9:31
in
9:32
certain
9:33
aspects,
9:34
we
9:35
looked
9:35
at
9:35
it
9:36
as
9:37
a
9:38
disappointment.
9:39
There
9:39
are
9:40
people
9:40
who
9:40
thought
9:41
the
9:42
American
9:43
team
9:45
had
9:45
a
9:46
disappointing
9:47
Olympiad,
9:48
and
9:48
a
9:49
lot
9:49
of
9:49
that
9:49
is
9:50
because
9:51
of
9:51
the
9:51
medal
9:52
count.
9:52
But
9:53
if
9:53
you
9:53
take
9:53
a
9:53
look
9:53
at
9:54
someone
9:54
like
9:54
Alyssa
9:55
Liu,
9:56
I
9:57
think
9:58
in
9:58
a
9:58
way,
10:01
that's
10:01
the
10:02
kind
10:02
of
10:02
athlete
10:03
that
10:04
you
10:04
cover
10:05
in
10:05
your
10:06
book.
10:07
She
10:07
won
10:08
a
10:08
gold,
10:08
so
10:09
that
10:09
might
10:10
not
10:11
qualify
10:11
her
10:12
as
10:13
an
10:13
unsung
10:14
hero,
10:15
but
10:15
her
10:16
story
10:17
of
10:18
how
10:18
she
10:19
was
10:20
working
10:21
her
10:21
way
10:22
up
10:22
the
10:22
ladder,
10:23
so
10:23
to
10:23
speak,
10:24
to
10:24
become
10:25
that
10:25
champion
10:26
that
10:27
she
10:27
is,
10:28
but
10:28
she
10:29
stepped
10:29
away
10:29
first,
10:30
and
10:30
her
10:31
journey
10:31
back
10:32
and
10:32
why,
10:33
that's
10:34
sort
10:34
of
10:36
the
10:36
kind
10:37
of
10:37
story
10:39
that
10:39
you
10:39
write
10:40
about
10:40
in
10:40
the
10:41
book.
10:43
And
10:43
I
10:44
found
10:44
some
10:44
of
10:45
these
10:45
very
10:46
fascinating.
10:48
You
10:49
know,
10:49
of.
10:52
And
10:53
I'll
10:53
probably
10:54
mispronounce
10:55
some
10:55
of
10:55
these
10:56
names.
10:57
No,
10:57
not
10:57
probably.
10:58
I
10:58
will,
10:59
but
11:00
Matteo
11:00
Mitchell,
11:01
I
11:01
mean,
11:01
the
11:02
guy
11:02
ran
11:03
on
11:03
a
11:04
broken
11:05
leg,
11:05
basically.
11:06
Yeah.
11:06
John
11:07
Stephen
11:08
Akwari
11:09
couldn't
11:10
even
11:13
barely
11:13
finish
11:13
the
11:14
marathon.
11:14
I
11:14
mean,
11:14
this
11:15
poor
11:15
guy.
11:17
Here's
11:17
a
11:18
name
11:18
I
11:18
probably
11:19
won't
11:19
get,
11:20
but
11:20
Tim
11:21
Hinton,
11:22
who
11:24
didn't
11:24
get
11:25
to
11:25
compete
11:25
because
11:26
of
11:26
the
11:26
boycott.
11:27
So
11:27
there's
11:28
many
11:28
stories
11:29
like
11:29
this,
11:29
and
11:30
you
11:30
even
11:30
go
11:31
into
11:32
stories
11:33
of
11:34
people
11:35
who
11:36
have
11:36
had
11:37
a
11:38
profound
11:39
effect,
11:39
a
11:40
historical
11:41
effect
11:41
on
11:42
the
11:42
Olympics,
11:43
and
11:43
they
11:44
weren't
11:44
competitors.
11:46
So
11:46
I've
11:47
got
11:47
to
11:47
ask,
11:48
of
11:49
all
11:49
the
11:49
athletes
11:50
that
11:50
you
11:50
discuss,
11:52
there
11:52
were
11:52
more
11:52
than
11:52
a
11:53
dozen.
11:54
Yeah.
11:54
Who
11:55
is
11:55
your
11:55
favorite
11:55
and
11:56
why?
11:56
And
11:57
before
11:57
you
11:57
answer
11:58
that
11:58
again,
11:58
let's
11:59
just
11:59
briefly
12:00
touch
12:00
upon
12:00
a
12:00
couple.
12:01
We
12:01
said
12:02
Monteo
12:03
Mitchell
12:03
and
12:04
his
12:04
broken.
12:04
I
12:04
think
12:04
it
12:05
was
12:05
fibula.
12:06
John
12:06
Stephen
12:06
Akwary,
12:07
who
12:08
could
12:08
barely
12:08
finish
12:09
the
12:09
marathon
12:10
in
12:10
Mexico
12:11
City.
12:12
Tracy
12:13
Barnes
12:13
let
12:14
her
12:14
sister
12:15
Lanny
12:15
replace
12:16
her
12:17
in
12:17
the
12:17
2014
12:18
Olympics.
12:19
Then
12:19
you
12:20
have
12:20
guys
12:20
like,
12:22
here
12:22
we
12:22
go,
12:23
here's
12:23
one
12:23
of
12:23
them.
12:23
Senad
12:25
Amanovic
12:27
worked
12:27
on
12:28
renovating
12:28
the
12:29
destroyed
12:29
Bob
12:30
sled
12:30
and
12:31
lose
12:31
track
12:32
in
12:32
Sarajevo.
12:35
You
12:35
know,
12:35
there
12:35
are
12:36
a
12:36
couple
12:36
others.
12:37
Yeah,
12:37
who?
12:37
And
12:38
maybe
12:38
it's
12:38
not
12:39
one
12:39
of
12:39
these
12:39
guys,
12:41
but
12:41
who
12:41
was
12:42
your
12:42
favorite
12:43
and
12:43
why?
12:45
That's
12:46
an
12:46
extraordinarily
12:47
tough
12:47
question.
12:47
Because
12:48
I
12:48
came
12:48
to
12:48
love
12:49
all
12:49
these
12:49
athletes
12:50
and
12:50
all
12:50
these
12:51
heroes
12:51
that
12:52
I
12:52
profiled.
12:52
And
12:53
so
12:53
I
12:53
feel
12:53
when
12:54
I
12:54
get
12:54
that
12:54
question,
12:55
I
12:55
almost
12:55
feel
12:55
like
12:56
I'm
12:56
being
12:56
asked
12:56
to
12:56
choose
12:57
among
12:57
my
12:58
kids.
12:59
But
13:00
I'll
13:00
tell
13:00
you,
13:01
the
13:01
two
13:01
athletes
13:02
that
13:02
really
13:02
were
13:02
the
13:03
triggers,
13:04
and
13:04
they're
13:05
the
13:05
first
13:05
two
13:05
chapters
13:06
of
13:06
the
13:06
book.
13:07
And
13:07
you
13:07
mentioned
13:08
Manteo
13:08
Mitchell,
13:10
you
13:10
know,
13:11
a
13:11
great
13:11
athlete
13:12
who
13:12
grew
13:13
up
13:13
in
13:13
North
13:13
Carolina
13:14
and
13:15
wasn't
13:15
very
13:16
well
13:16
noticed
13:17
as
13:18
a
13:18
track
13:18
and
13:18
field
13:18
athlete.
13:19
So
13:19
he
13:19
ends
13:20
up
13:20
at
13:20
a
13:20
place
13:20
called
13:21
Western
13:21
Carolina
13:22
University
13:22
where
13:23
he
13:23
excels
13:25
and
13:26
he
13:26
gets
13:26
to
13:26
the
13:26
2012
13:27
Games
13:28
in
13:28
London.
13:29
And
13:30
he's
13:31
a
13:31
terrific
13:33
400
13:33
meter
13:34
runner,
13:35
good
13:35
enough
13:35
that
13:36
he's
13:36
asked
13:36
to
13:37
lead
13:37
off
13:37
the
13:38
US
13:38
Leg
13:40
in
13:40
the
13:40
semifinals
13:41
in
13:41
London.
13:42
And
13:43
he's
13:43
running.
13:44
So
13:44
he's
13:45
running
13:46
very
13:47
well
13:47
for
13:48
the
13:48
first
13:48
half
13:48
of
13:49
that
13:49
race.
13:49
And
13:49
then
13:49
he
13:49
hears
13:50
this
13:50
audible
13:50
snap
13:52
and
13:52
he's
13:53
got
13:53
to
13:53
figure
13:53
out
13:53
what
13:54
to
13:54
do.
13:54
And
13:55
he
13:55
has
13:55
this
13:55
kind
13:56
of
13:56
moment
13:56
in
13:56
time
13:56
to
13:57
do
13:57
it.
13:58
And
13:58
he's
13:58
got
13:58
runners
13:59
beckoning
13:59
him
14:00
to
14:00
come
14:00
on,
14:00
come
14:01
on.
14:01
Because
14:02
he's
14:02
not
14:02
a
14:03
one
14:03
person
14:03
show
14:04
here.
14:04
He's
14:04
part
14:04
of
14:05
a
14:05
four
14:05
man
14:05
team.
14:07
So
14:07
what
14:08
Manteo
14:09
Mitchell
14:09
did
14:09
in
14:10
that
14:10
nanosecond
14:11
I
14:11
found
14:12
heroic.
14:13
And
14:13
that
14:13
he
14:15
thought
14:16
about
14:16
his
14:16
team
14:17
and
14:17
his
14:17
responsibility
14:19
more
14:19
than
14:19
himself
14:21
and
14:21
his
14:21
broken
14:22
left
14:22
fibula.
14:23
And
14:24
so
14:24
what,
14:24
what
14:25
Manteo
14:25
Mitchell
14:26
did
14:26
then
14:27
I
14:28
found
14:28
really
14:28
incredible.
14:29
And
14:30
he
14:30
was
14:31
one
14:31
of
14:31
only
14:31
a
14:31
couple
14:32
athletes
14:32
in
14:32
the
14:32
book
14:33
who
14:33
actually
14:33
won
14:34
a
14:34
medal.
14:34
But
14:34
I
14:34
didn't
14:35
write
14:35
about
14:35
him
14:36
because
14:36
of
14:36
the
14:37
silver
14:37
medal
14:37
he
14:38
ultimately
14:38
won.
14:39
I
14:39
wrote
14:39
about
14:40
him
14:40
because
14:40
of
14:40
what
14:41
he
14:41
did
14:41
to
14:41
enable
14:42
his
14:42
team
14:42
to
14:43
even
14:43
get
14:43
to
14:43
the
14:43
final.
14:45
And
14:46
the
14:46
other
14:46
athlete
14:47
that
14:47
really
14:47
prompted
14:48
all
14:48
of
14:48
this
14:49
is
14:49
a
14:49
Swiss
14:50
born
14:50
marathoner
14:51
who's
14:51
actually
14:51
lived
14:52
in
14:52
the
14:52
Sun
14:53
Valley
14:53
Ketchum
14:54
area
14:54
of
14:54
the
14:54
United
14:54
States
14:55
for
14:56
50
14:56
plus
14:57
years.
14:57
But
14:58
her
14:58
name
14:58
is
14:58
Gabrielle
14:59
Anderson.
14:59
She
15:00
is,
15:00
and
15:01
she
15:02
ran
15:02
in
15:02
the
15:02
first
15:03
ever
15:04
Olympic
15:05
Women's
15:05
Marathon
15:06
in
15:06
1984,
15:07
ironically
15:08
in
15:08
Los
15:08
Angeles,
15:09
where
15:09
we're
15:09
going
15:09
to
15:10
return
15:10
in
15:11
a
15:11
couple
15:11
of
15:11
years.
15:12
But
15:12
she
15:12
was
15:13
39
15:13
for
15:14
those
15:14
Olympics.
15:14
And
15:15
she
15:15
didn't
15:15
expect
15:15
to
15:16
win,
15:16
but
15:16
she
15:17
earned
15:17
her
15:17
way
15:18
in.
15:18
And
15:18
she
15:18
felt
15:19
she
15:19
was
15:19
a
15:19
top
15:19
10,
15:20
top
15:20
15
15:20
runner.
15:21
And
15:22
that's
15:22
exactly
15:22
where
15:23
she
15:23
found
15:23
herself,
15:23
about
15:24
18
15:24
miles
15:25
in.
15:26
But
15:26
then
15:26
she
15:26
hadn't
15:27
anticipated
15:28
the
15:28
challenges
15:28
of
15:29
Los
15:29
Angeles.
15:30
The
15:30
heat,
15:30
the
15:31
smog.
15:32
And
15:32
on
15:32
that
15:32
day,
15:33
unbelievable
15:34
humidity,
15:34
which
15:35
usually
15:35
we
15:36
think
15:36
of
15:36
places
15:37
like
15:37
New
15:37
Orleans
15:37
or
15:38
Miami
15:38
for
15:38
that
15:38
kind
15:39
of
15:39
humidity.
15:41
She
15:41
even
15:42
missed
15:42
the
15:42
final
15:42
water
15:43
station
15:43
that
15:44
day.
15:44
She
15:44
doesn't
15:45
know
15:45
why.
15:45
And
15:46
by
15:46
the
15:46
way,
15:46
there
15:46
were
15:46
only
15:47
five.
15:48
Warren,
15:49
you
15:49
and
15:49
I
15:49
go
15:49
do
15:49
a
15:50
10k
15:50
next
15:51
week.
15:51
We'll
15:51
probably
15:51
find
15:52
five
15:52
water
15:52
stations,
15:53
so.
15:53
I
15:54
won't
15:54
be
15:54
doing
15:54
any
15:54
10k.
15:56
Okay,
15:57
so
15:59
Gabrielle
16:00
is
16:01
a
16:01
very
16:04
exhausted,
16:07
an
16:07
under
16:07
hydrated,
16:08
dehydrated
16:09
athlete.
16:09
When
16:10
she
16:10
enters
16:10
the
16:10
Olympic
16:11
stadium
16:11
in
16:11
Los
16:12
Angeles,
16:12
she's
16:13
lurching
16:13
from
16:14
side
16:14
to
16:14
side.
16:15
There's
16:15
doctors
16:16
who
16:16
are
16:16
questioning
16:17
whether
16:17
it's
16:17
even
16:17
worse
16:18
than
16:18
that.
16:19
And
16:20
then
16:20
what
16:20
she
16:20
does
16:21
for
16:22
5
16:22
minutes
16:22
and
16:22
44
16:23
seconds
16:24
around
16:24
that
16:25
track
16:25
to
16:25
get
16:26
to
16:26
a
16:26
finish
16:26
line
16:27
with.
16:28
With
16:28
people
16:29
cheering
16:29
her
16:30
on
16:30
like
16:30
she's
16:31
a
16:31
gold
16:31
medal
16:32
winner,
16:34
that
16:34
was
16:34
incredible
16:34
to
16:35
me.
16:35
And
16:35
she
16:35
was
16:35
one
16:35
of
16:36
those
16:36
I
16:36
vividly
16:37
remember.
16:38
So
16:39
those
16:39
are
16:39
the
16:40
two
16:40
athletes
16:40
that
16:41
led
16:41
me
16:41
to
16:41
think,
16:41
huh?
16:42
There's
16:43
kind
16:43
of
16:43
a
16:43
theme
16:43
here
16:44
of
16:45
athletes
16:45
who
16:46
might
16:46
not
16:46
be
16:46
your
16:47
classic
16:48
metal
16:48
Stan,
16:49
Usain
16:50
Bolt,
16:51
Michael
16:51
Phelps,
16:51
Simone
16:52
Biles
16:53
types,
16:54
but
16:54
what
16:54
they're
16:55
doing
16:55
is
16:55
incredible
16:56
for
16:57
other
16:57
reasons.
16:58
And
16:59
I
16:59
love
16:59
the
16:59
idea
17:00
of,
17:01
I
17:01
guess,
17:01
pushing
17:02
people
17:02
to
17:02
think
17:03
beyond
17:04
the
17:04
headlines
17:05
and
17:05
maybe
17:05
peel
17:05
back
17:06
a
17:06
few
17:06
layers.
17:06
Because
17:07
if
17:07
you
17:07
really
17:07
start
17:08
researching
17:08
the
17:08
Olympic
17:09
Games,
17:10
it's
17:10
chock
17:11
full
17:11
of
17:11
athletes
17:11
who
17:12
have
17:12
wonderful
17:13
stories.
17:15
Without
17:16
a
17:16
doubt,
17:19
one
17:20
of
17:20
the
17:20
things
17:20
I
17:21
enjoy
17:22
when
17:23
I
17:23
do
17:23
watch
17:24
the
17:24
Olympics
17:25
are
17:25
those
17:26
backstories,
17:27
when
17:27
they
17:27
do
17:27
features,
17:28
you
17:28
know,
17:30
geez,
17:30
his
17:30
name
17:31
just
17:31
escaped
17:32
me.
17:32
The
17:33
gentleman,
17:33
our.
17:35
Our
17:35
speed
17:35
skater,.
17:38
Jordan
17:38
Stoltz.
17:39
Jordan
17:39
Stoltz
17:40
from
17:40
Wisconsin.
17:41
His
17:41
backstory
17:42
is
17:42
great,
17:43
you
17:43
know,
17:43
and
17:44
how
17:44
they
17:44
went
17:45
out
17:45
there
17:45
and
17:45
they.
17:46
They
17:46
built
17:47
that
17:47
feature
17:47
showing
17:48
him
17:48
when
17:49
he.
17:49
They
17:49
had
17:49
footage
17:50
of
17:50
him
17:50
when
17:50
he
17:50
first
17:50
started
17:51
off
17:51
skating
17:51
on
17:52
that
17:52
little
17:52
lake
17:53
pond
17:53
behind
17:53
this
17:54
house.
17:54
I
17:54
mean,
17:55
those
17:55
are,
17:55
those
17:55
are
17:55
the
17:56
cool
17:56
stories.
17:57
I
17:57
want
17:57
to
17:57
go
17:57
back
17:58
to
17:58
my.
17:58
How
17:58
do
17:59
you
17:59
say,
17:59
Monteo
18:00
Manteo
18:01
Mitchell.
18:02
Manteo
18:02
Mitchell.
18:06
There
18:06
was
18:06
an
18:07
incident.
18:07
Something
18:08
happened
18:10
a
18:10
day
18:10
before,
18:12
slightly
18:12
before
18:12
the
18:13
race
18:13
that
18:14
led
18:14
to
18:14
the
18:15
broken
18:15
fibula.
18:17
And,
18:17
and
18:19
so
18:19
this
18:19
was
18:20
a
18:20
risk.
18:21
And
18:22
one
18:22
of
18:22
the
18:22
great
18:23
things
18:23
about
18:25
Olympians
18:26
and
18:27
a
18:27
lot
18:27
of
18:27
athletes
18:28
is
18:28
their
18:28
ability
18:30
to
18:30
go
18:31
forward
18:33
despite
18:33
the
18:34
obstacles
18:35
that
18:35
they
18:35
face.
18:36
Talk
18:37
about
18:37
what
18:37
happened
18:38
to
18:38
him
18:38
and
18:38
how
18:39
that
18:39
might
18:39
have
18:39
actually
18:41
I
18:41
don't
18:41
know
18:41
if
18:41
you
18:41
can
18:42
say,
18:42
might
18:42
have
18:42
played
18:42
a
18:43
role.
18:43
It
18:43
had
18:43
to
18:44
have
18:44
played
18:44
a
18:44
role
18:45
in
18:46
what
18:46
happened.
18:48
Well,
18:49
first
18:49
of
18:49
all,
18:49
I
18:49
think
18:50
we
18:50
start
18:50
with
18:51
the
18:51
fact
18:51
that
18:51
athletes,
18:52
elite
18:53
athletes,
18:53
I
18:53
think
18:54
there's
18:54
almost
18:54
something
18:55
in
18:55
the
18:55
DNA
18:56
that
18:57
allows
18:57
them
18:57
to
18:58
manage
18:58
pain
18:59
and
18:59
manage
18:59
setbacks.
19:00
They,
19:01
they
19:01
become
19:02
very
19:02
adept
19:02
at
19:03
it.
19:03
And
19:04
what
19:04
you're
19:04
referring
19:05
to
19:05
is
19:05
that
19:05
Manteo
19:06
was
19:06
just
19:07
climbing
19:07
some
19:07
flights
19:08
of
19:08
stairs,
19:08
you
19:09
know,
19:09
in
19:09
the
19:09
days
19:10
before
19:11
that,
19:11
four
19:12
by
19:12
400.
19:13
And,
19:14
you
19:14
know,
19:14
he,
19:15
he
19:15
fell,
19:16
he
19:16
felt
19:16
something.
19:17
He
19:17
didn't
19:17
know
19:17
what
19:17
it
19:17
was.
19:18
He
19:18
got
19:18
X
19:18
rays,
19:19
they
19:19
were
19:19
negative.
19:20
He
19:20
thought,
19:21
I'm
19:22
okay.
19:23
You
19:24
know,
19:24
Dr.
19:24
Bob
19:25
Adams,
19:25
who
19:25
was
19:25
the
19:26
team
19:26
doctor
19:26
for
19:26
the
19:27
United
19:27
States,
19:27
said,
19:28
well,
19:28
he
19:28
probably
19:28
wasn't
19:29
okay.
19:29
And
19:29
that
19:29
probably
19:30
was
19:30
a
19:30
key
19:31
contributor.
19:33
But,
19:33
but
19:33
the
19:33
elite
19:34
athlete,
19:35
I
19:35
think,
19:35
is
19:35
so
19:36
used
19:36
to
19:36
dealing
19:37
with
19:38
pain
19:39
and
19:39
injury
19:40
and
19:40
setback
19:43
that
19:43
there's
19:43
almost
19:44
this
19:44
predisposition
19:45
to
19:45
figure
19:46
out
19:46
how
19:46
to
19:46
get
19:46
past
19:47
it.
19:47
You
19:48
know,
19:48
there
19:48
was
19:48
a,
19:50
a
19:50
skier
19:50
in
19:50
the
19:51
book
19:51
named
19:51
Brian
19:51
Stemmel
19:52
from
19:52
Canada
19:53
who
19:53
told
19:53
me,
19:54
yeah,
19:54
I
19:55
had
19:55
ACL
19:55
tears.
19:56
But
19:56
in
19:56
skiing,
19:57
we
19:57
think
19:57
of
19:58
an
19:58
ACL
19:58
tear
19:59
the
19:59
way
19:59
the
19:59
rest
19:59
of
19:59
you
20:00
think
20:00
about
20:00
a
20:00
toothache.
20:02
Right.
20:02
So
20:02
that's
20:03
instructive.
20:04
Witness
20:04
Lindsey.
20:05
Lindsey
20:05
Vaughn.
20:06
Exactly,
20:06
exactly.
20:07
Know
20:08
you
20:08
can't
20:08
forget
20:09
about
20:09
her
20:09
accident
20:10
that
20:10
she
20:10
had,
20:11
but
20:11
she
20:11
was
20:11
skiing
20:12
on
20:13
a
20:13
torn
20:13
acl.
20:14
Yeah,
20:15
yeah.
20:17
And
20:17
so
20:17
that's,
20:18
you
20:18
know,
20:18
with,
20:18
with
20:19
Manteo,
20:19
that's
20:20
the,
20:20
the
20:21
thing.
20:21
He
20:21
figured
20:23
he
20:23
could
20:23
manage
20:24
it.
20:24
It
20:24
turns
20:25
out
20:25
he
20:25
couldn't.
20:27
But
20:27
then
20:27
what
20:28
he
20:28
did
20:29
200
20:29
meters
20:30
into
20:30
a
20:30
400
20:31
meter
20:31
relay
20:32
was
20:32
somehow
20:33
say
20:33
to
20:33
himself,
20:35
I,
20:35
I'm
20:36
going
20:36
to
20:36
figure
20:36
out
20:36
a
20:36
way.
20:37
And,
20:38
you
20:39
know,
20:39
99.9%
20:41
of
20:41
us
20:41
would
20:41
be,
20:42
you
20:42
know,
20:43
I'm,
20:43
I'm
20:44
good.
20:44
I,
20:44
I
20:45
made
20:45
the
20:45
Olympics.
20:46
I
20:46
fulfilled
20:47
the
20:47
lifelong
20:48
dream.
20:48
I
20:48
did
20:48
the
20:48
very
20:49
best
20:49
I
20:49
could,
20:50
and
20:51
I
20:51
got
20:51
a
20:51
broken
20:52
leg,
20:52
for
20:52
God's
20:52
sake.
20:53
So
20:53
nobody
20:54
would
20:54
think
20:55
an
20:55
ounce
20:55
less
20:56
of
20:56
Banteo
20:57
Mitchell
20:57
if
20:57
he
20:57
just
20:57
stepped
20:58
off
20:58
the
20:58
track
20:58
at
20:59
that
20:59
point.
21:00
But
21:00
he
21:00
had
21:00
a
21:00
great
21:01
quote
21:01
when
21:01
I
21:01
talked
21:02
about
21:02
it.
21:02
He
21:02
said,
21:02
nobody
21:03
would
21:03
have
21:03
thought
21:03
anything
21:04
less.
21:04
But
21:04
there's
21:04
one
21:04
person
21:05
who
21:05
would
21:05
have,
21:05
and
21:05
that's
21:06
me.
21:07
And
21:08
that's
21:08
the
21:08
mindset
21:09
that
21:09
he
21:10
brought,
21:11
which
21:11
is
21:11
pretty
21:11
incredible.
21:13
And
21:13
I'll
21:13
tell
21:13
you,
21:14
you
21:15
asked
21:15
about
21:15
all
21:15
the
21:15
athletes,
21:16
Warren.
21:17
What
21:17
I
21:17
loved
21:18
about
21:18
all
21:18
of
21:18
them
21:19
was
21:19
that
21:19
not
21:19
a
21:20
single
21:20
one
21:20
of
21:21
them
21:21
thought
21:21
what
21:22
they
21:22
did
21:22
was
21:22
heroic.
21:24
And
21:24
I
21:24
find
21:25
both
21:25
in
21:25
sports
21:26
and
21:26
in
21:26
life,
21:27
the
21:27
true
21:27
measure
21:28
of
21:28
heroism
21:29
sometimes
21:29
is
21:30
that
21:30
the
21:30
people
21:31
who
21:31
do
21:32
heroic
21:33
things
21:34
don't
21:34
pat
21:34
themselves
21:35
on
21:35
the
21:35
back
21:35
or
21:36
shout
21:36
from
21:36
the
21:36
rooftops.
21:37
They
21:37
just
21:37
do
21:38
it
21:38
because
21:38
they
21:38
think
21:39
it's
21:39
right
21:40
in
21:40
a
21:40
given
21:40
moment
21:41
of
21:41
time
21:41
or
21:41
crisis.
21:44
And
21:44
that's
21:44
what
21:44
I
21:45
found
21:45
remarkable
21:46
about
21:46
these
21:46
athletes.
21:48
Well,
21:48
you
21:48
know,
21:50
you
21:50
say
21:50
heroic.
21:53
I
21:53
don't
21:53
know
21:54
if
21:54
I
21:55
would
21:55
call
21:55
this
21:55
heroic,
21:57
but
21:57
certainly
22:02
profound,
22:03
for
22:03
sure.
22:05
And
22:06
in
22:06
today's
22:07
politically
22:08
charged
22:09
world
22:10
that
22:10
we
22:10
live
22:11
in,
22:12
Peter
22:13
Norman
22:13
from
22:14
Australia,
22:16
quite
22:16
an
22:17
interesting
22:18
story.
22:19
You
22:20
know,
22:20
he
22:20
won
22:21
the
22:21
silver
22:21
medal
22:22
in
22:22
the
22:22
200
22:23
in
22:23
1968.
22:25
Yeah.
22:25
And
22:26
he
22:26
stood
22:26
on
22:27
the
22:27
podium
22:28
with
22:28
Tommy
22:29
Smith
22:29
and
22:30
John
22:30
Carlos.
22:34
He
22:34
supported
22:35
them
22:36
and
22:36
in
22:36
the
22:37
end
22:38
sort
22:38
of
22:38
paid
22:39
a
22:39
price
22:39
for
22:39
doing
22:40
so.
22:40
Tell
22:41
us
22:41
about
22:41
his
22:41
story.
22:42
And
22:42
by
22:42
the
22:42
way,
22:42
before
22:42
we
22:42
get
22:43
there,
22:43
I
22:43
do
22:43
want
22:44
to
22:44
say
22:44
we're
22:44
not
22:45
going
22:45
to
22:45
go
22:46
through
22:46
everybody
22:47
in
22:47
the
22:47
book.
22:47
We're
22:48
going
22:48
to
22:48
go
22:48
through
22:48
a
22:48
couple,
22:49
that's
22:49
for
22:49
sure.
22:50
And
22:50
we're
22:51
not
22:51
going
22:51
to
22:51
reveal
22:52
all
22:52
the
22:52
story
22:53
and
22:53
all
22:53
the
22:53
backstory
22:54
about
22:54
everybody.
22:55
Otherwise,
22:56
as
22:56
you
22:56
said
22:56
earlier,
22:57
what's
22:58
the
22:58
reason
22:58
for
22:58
somebody
22:58
to
22:59
go
22:59
out
22:59
and
22:59
buy
22:59
the
22:59
book?
22:59
And,
23:00
you
23:00
know,
23:01
it
23:01
really
23:01
is,
23:03
it's
23:03
a
23:03
fun
23:04
book.
23:05
And
23:06
we'll
23:06
talk
23:06
about,
23:07
you
23:07
know,
23:08
hero
23:09
redefined
23:10
profiles
23:10
of
23:11
Olympic
23:11
athletes
23:12
under
23:12
the
23:13
radar.
23:14
But
23:15
yeah,
23:15
tell
23:15
us
23:16
about
23:17
Peter
23:17
Norman.
23:19
Yeah,
23:19
I
23:19
think
23:20
he's,
23:21
he's
23:22
an
23:22
unusual
23:22
story
23:23
because
23:23
you
23:24
have
23:24
to
23:24
think
23:24
of
23:25
the
23:25
times
23:25
he
23:25
was
23:26
in
23:26
when
23:26
he
23:26
did
23:27
what
23:27
he
23:27
did.
23:28
So
23:28
there's
23:29
probably
23:29
one
23:30
of
23:30
the
23:30
most
23:30
famous
23:30
sports
23:31
photos
23:31
of
23:31
all
23:32
time,
23:33
involves
23:34
the
23:34
metal
23:34
stand
23:35
after
23:35
the
23:35
200
23:36
meters
23:36
in
23:36
Mexico
23:37
City
23:37
in
23:37
1968.
23:39
And
23:39
there
23:39
are
23:39
two
23:40
gentlemen
23:40
who
23:40
are
23:41
raising
23:41
their,
23:42
their
23:42
arms
23:42
in
23:42
a,
23:42
in
23:43
a
23:43
black
23:43
power
23:43
salute.
23:44
One
23:45
of
23:45
them
23:45
was
23:46
the
23:46
gold
23:46
medal
23:47
winner,
23:47
Tommy
23:48
Smith,
23:49
who,
23:49
by
23:49
the
23:49
way,
23:49
set
23:50
a
23:50
world
23:50
record
23:50
that
23:51
stood
23:51
for
23:51
over
23:51
a
23:52
decade.
23:53
And
23:53
the
23:53
other
23:53
was
23:54
the
23:54
bronze
23:55
medal
23:55
winner,
23:56
John
23:56
Carlos.
23:58
They
23:58
were
23:59
widely
23:59
expected
24:00
to
24:00
be
24:00
on
24:00
that
24:00
medal
24:01
stand,
24:01
by
24:01
the
24:01
way,
24:02
the
24:03
guy
24:03
who
24:03
wasn't
24:04
was
24:04
the
24:04
white
24:04
guy
24:05
who
24:05
was
24:05
between
24:06
them,
24:07
this
24:07
5
24:07
foot
24:08
10
24:08
white
24:08
guy
24:08
named
24:09
Peter
24:09
Norman
24:09
from
24:10
Australia
24:12
who
24:13
came
24:14
from
24:14
fifth
24:14
place
24:15
entering
24:16
the
24:16
final
24:16
straightaway
24:17
to
24:18
this
24:18
freight
24:18
train
24:19
finish
24:19
that
24:19
took
24:19
him
24:20
to
24:20
a
24:20
silver
24:20
medal.
24:22
By
24:22
the
24:22
way,
24:22
while
24:23
I
24:23
didn't
24:23
write
24:24
about
24:24
him
24:24
for
24:25
his
24:25
silver
24:25
medal,
24:26
I
24:26
will
24:26
tell
24:26
you
24:26
that
24:27
his
24:28
20.06
24:29
second
24:29
200
24:30
was
24:31
a
24:31
record
24:31
in
24:32
Australia
24:32
that
24:32
stood
24:33
all
24:33
the
24:33
way
24:33
till
24:34
the
24:34
months
24:35
following
24:35
the
24:36
publication
24:36
of
24:36
my
24:37
book.
24:37
There
24:38
was
24:38
that
24:38
there
24:38
was
24:38
a
24:38
teenager
24:39
in
24:39
Australia
24:40
who
24:40
just
24:41
now
24:41
overcame
24:42
that
24:42
record.
24:43
But
24:43
Peter
24:44
Norman's
24:44
record
24:45
stood
24:45
for
24:46
well
24:46
over
24:47
a
24:47
half
24:47
century.
24:48
But
24:49
what
24:49
Peter
24:49
Norman
24:49
did
24:50
is
24:52
he
24:53
had
24:53
a
24:53
Salvation
24:54
army
24:54
upbringing.
24:55
He
24:55
felt
24:55
like
24:56
people
24:56
were
24:56
People,
24:57
no
24:57
matter
24:57
what
24:58
they
24:58
look
24:58
like,
24:59
what
24:59
their
24:59
religion
25:00
or
25:00
gender
25:00
or
25:01
sexual
25:01
orientation
25:02
was.
25:03
And
25:03
in
25:04
1968,
25:05
he
25:05
did
25:05
a
25:05
number
25:05
of
25:06
things
25:06
to
25:06
stand
25:07
with
25:07
Tommy
25:07
Smith
25:08
and
25:08
John
25:08
Carlos.
25:11
You
25:11
know,
25:11
it
25:11
was
25:12
funny.
25:12
There
25:12
was.
25:13
There
25:13
were
25:13
supposed
25:14
to
25:14
be
25:14
four
25:14
black
25:15
gloves
25:15
for
25:15
them
25:16
for
25:16
their
25:16
black
25:16
power
25:17
salutes.
25:18
Somehow,
25:18
only
25:18
two
25:19
arrived.
25:20
And
25:20
Peter
25:20
Norman
25:21
was
25:21
one
25:21
of
25:21
the
25:21
guys
25:21
who
25:22
choreographed
25:23
One
25:23
glove
25:23
on
25:23
each
25:24
hand.
25:25
Peter
25:25
Norman
25:26
was
25:26
one
25:26
of
25:26
the
25:26
guys
25:26
who
25:27
grabbed
25:27
an
25:28
Olympic
25:28
Project
25:28
for
25:29
Human
25:29
Rights
25:29
pin
25:30
from
25:30
a
25:31
US
25:31
Rower
25:31
and
25:32
said,
25:32
I'm
25:32
going
25:32
to
25:32
wear
25:32
that
25:33
on
25:33
the
25:33
stand
25:33
with
25:34
these
25:34
gentlemen.
25:35
And
25:35
Peter
25:36
Norman
25:36
was
25:36
a
25:36
guy
25:37
who
25:37
befriended
25:37
these
25:38
two
25:39
for
25:39
a
25:39
lifetime.
25:41
When
25:41
there
25:41
was
25:41
a
25:42
statue
25:42
unveiled
25:43
for
25:43
Tommy
25:43
Smith
25:44
and
25:44
John
25:44
Carlos
25:44
at
25:45
San
25:45
Jose
25:45
State
25:45
University,
25:47
Peter
25:47
Norman
25:48
was
25:48
there
25:48
with
25:48
them.
25:49
So
25:51
this
25:51
is
25:51
a
25:52
guy
25:52
who
25:52
in
25:52
1968,
25:54
took
25:55
stands
25:56
for.
25:56
For
25:56
human
25:57
rights
25:57
and
25:57
black
25:58
rights.
25:59
And
25:59
we
25:59
gotta
26:00
remember
26:00
the
26:01
time.
26:01
I
26:01
mean,
26:02
1968
26:03
is
26:03
only
26:03
a
26:04
few
26:04
years
26:04
removed
26:05
from
26:06
black
26:07
people
26:07
in
26:07
the
26:07
United
26:08
States
26:08
being
26:08
told
26:09
that
26:09
they
26:09
couldn't
26:09
drink
26:10
from
26:10
the
26:10
same
26:10
drinking
26:11
fountain
26:11
as
26:12
white
26:12
people
26:13
or
26:13
sit
26:13
at
26:13
the
26:14
same
26:14
lunch
26:14
counter
26:15
or
26:15
certainly
26:16
not
26:16
sit
26:16
in
26:16
the
26:17
first
26:17
few
26:17
rows
26:17
of
26:18
a
26:18
bus.
26:20
It
26:20
was
26:20
a,
26:21
you
26:21
know,
26:21
a
26:22
very
26:22
chaotic
26:23
time.
26:24
A
26:24
lot
26:24
of
26:24
divisiveness,
26:25
a
26:25
lot
26:26
of
26:26
hatred.
26:27
And
26:27
Peter
26:28
Norman
26:28
said,
26:28
I'm
26:29
going
26:29
to
26:29
do
26:29
what
26:29
I
26:29
think
26:30
is
26:30
right
26:30
again
26:31
in
26:31
that
26:31
moment
26:31
in
26:32
time.
26:33
And
26:33
to
26:33
your
26:33
point,
26:34
he
26:35
got
26:35
some
26:35
backlash
26:36
for
26:36
it.
26:36
You
26:36
know,
26:37
he
26:37
went
26:37
back
26:37
home,
26:37
he
26:38
got
26:38
hate
26:38
mail.
26:39
There's
26:40
some
26:40
real
26:40
debate
26:41
here.
26:41
But
26:41
you
26:41
can.
26:42
You
26:42
can
26:42
certainly
26:43
find
26:43
people
26:43
who
26:43
say
26:44
that
26:45
Peter
26:45
Norman
26:46
not
26:46
getting
26:46
to
26:46
the
26:46
1972
26:48
Olympics
26:49
and
26:49
Peter
26:49
Norman
26:50
maybe
26:50
not
26:50
getting
26:51
the.
26:52
The
26:53
treatment
26:53
he
26:53
should
26:54
have
26:54
at
26:54
the
26:54
2000
26:55
Olympics
26:56
in
26:56
Sydney,
26:56
when
26:57
the
26:57
Olympics
26:57
came
26:57
back
26:58
to
26:58
Australia,
26:59
had
26:59
something
27:00
to
27:00
do
27:00
with
27:00
those
27:01
events.
27:01
And
27:02
remember
27:02
that
27:03
this
27:03
is
27:03
1968.
27:04
Peter
27:05
Norman
27:05
had
27:05
zero
27:06
financial
27:07
incentive
27:07
to
27:07
do
27:07
what
27:08
he
27:08
did.
27:09
He
27:10
wasn't
27:10
going
27:10
to
27:11
enrich
27:11
himself.
27:12
He
27:12
wasn't
27:12
going
27:13
to
27:13
make
27:13
himself
27:13
famous.
27:15
And
27:15
as
27:16
we
27:16
found
27:16
out,
27:16
he
27:17
wasn't
27:17
going
27:17
to
27:17
make
27:17
himself
27:19
more
27:19
well
27:19
liked
27:20
when
27:20
he
27:20
got
27:20
back
27:20
to
27:21
his
27:21
home
27:21
turf.
27:22
He
27:22
did
27:23
it
27:23
because
27:24
he
27:24
thought
27:24
it
27:24
was
27:24
the
27:25
right
27:25
thing
27:25
to
27:25
do.
27:26
He
27:26
thought
27:26
standing
27:27
with
27:27
and
27:28
up
27:28
for
27:28
those
27:28
gentlemen
27:29
was
27:29
the
27:29
right
27:29
thing
27:30
to
27:30
do.
27:31
And
27:31
that's
27:32
what
27:32
I
27:32
love
27:32
about
27:32
Peter
27:33
Norman.
27:33
Yeah,
27:34
his
27:34
times
27:34
in
27:35
the.
27:35
In
27:35
the.
27:36
In
27:36
the
27:37
subsequent
27:38
Olympic
27:39
trials,
27:39
he
27:39
should
27:40
have
27:40
probably
27:40
been
27:42
in
27:42
72,
27:43
maybe
27:44
76,
27:45
and
27:45
if
27:45
I
27:46
read
27:46
correctly,
27:47
the
27:47
2000
27:49
Olympics
27:51
in
27:51
Melbourne.
27:54
He
27:54
was
27:54
honored,
27:55
but
27:55
he
27:56
was
27:56
honored
27:58
by
27:58
the
27:58
Americans.
27:59
Right?
28:00
Not
28:00
the
28:01
Australians.
28:01
Right.
28:02
There
28:02
was
28:02
something
28:02
about
28:03
how
28:03
the
28:04
Americans
28:05
got
28:05
him
28:06
to
28:06
Melbourne.
28:07
They
28:07
paid
28:08
for
28:08
his
28:08
whole
28:09
deal.
28:09
Yeah,
28:10
well,
28:10
he
28:10
did
28:11
get
28:11
to
28:11
carry
28:11
the
28:12
torch.
28:12
They
28:12
had
28:12
a
28:12
torch
28:13
relay
28:13
and
28:13
he
28:13
was
28:14
in
28:14
the
28:14
opening
28:14
ceremonies.
28:15
But
28:15
then
28:15
there
28:16
were
28:16
a
28:16
whole
28:16
series
28:16
of
28:17
events
28:17
where
28:18
the
28:18
folks
28:19
who
28:19
paid
28:19
for
28:19
him
28:20
to
28:20
be
28:20
there
28:20
were
28:21
the
28:21
folks
28:21
at
28:21
USA
28:22
Track
28:22
and
28:22
field
28:23
who
28:23
had
28:24
fallen
28:24
in
28:24
love
28:25
with
28:25
Peter,
28:26
going
28:26
all
28:26
the
28:26
way
28:26
back
28:27
to
28:27
1968
28:28
and
28:28
knowing
28:29
of
28:29
his
28:29
close
28:29
knit
28:30
relationship
28:30
with
28:31
Tommy
28:32
Smith
28:32
and
28:32
John
28:32
Carlos.
28:33
So,
28:34
you
28:34
know,
28:35
you
28:35
can,
28:35
I,
28:35
I
28:36
tried
28:36
to
28:36
be
28:36
as
28:37
evenhanded
28:37
as
28:37
I
28:38
could
28:38
in
28:38
the
28:38
book,
28:38
but
28:39
you
28:39
could
28:39
certainly
28:40
talk
28:40
to
28:40
people,
28:40
his
28:41
nephew
28:41
included,
28:42
who
28:42
thought,
28:42
man,
28:43
this
28:43
guy
28:43
got
28:43
blacklisted.
28:45
His
28:45
daughter
28:46
Janita
28:47
would
28:47
tell
28:47
you,
28:48
you
28:48
know,
28:48
I
28:48
just
28:49
want
28:49
to
28:49
get
28:49
past
28:49
it
28:50
and
28:50
think
28:50
of
28:50
just
28:51
the
28:51
profound
28:52
nature
28:52
what
28:53
my
28:53
dad
28:53
did
28:53
and
28:54
celebrate
28:54
that.
28:55
And
28:56
to
28:56
be
28:56
fair
28:57
to
28:57
Australia,
28:58
they
28:58
ultimately,
28:59
I
28:59
think,
28:59
recognized
29:01
that
29:01
they
29:01
should
29:01
have
29:02
and
29:02
could
29:02
have
29:02
done
29:03
more
29:03
to
29:03
recognize
29:04
Peter.
29:05
And
29:05
they
29:05
did.
29:05
They
29:05
passed
29:06
a
29:06
proclamation
29:07
in
29:07
parliament.
29:08
They
29:08
ultimately
29:09
erected
29:09
a
29:10
statue
29:10
for
29:10
Peter
29:11
that
29:11
you'll
29:11
find
29:12
outside
29:12
the
29:12
Melbourne
29:13
stadiums.
29:14
And
29:14
they,
29:14
you
29:14
know,
29:15
they
29:15
proclaimed
29:15
a
29:15
Peter
29:16
Norman
29:16
day.
29:17
So,
29:18
you
29:18
know,
29:18
let's
29:18
give
29:18
them
29:19
credit,
29:19
I
29:19
think
29:20
let's
29:20
give
29:20
them
29:20
some
29:20
grace
29:21
for
29:21
maybe,
29:22
let's
29:22
call
29:22
them
29:23
errors
29:23
of
29:23
omission.
29:24
Right.
29:24
That
29:25
they
29:25
ultimately
29:25
overcame
29:26
as
29:26
a
29:26
country.
29:27
And
29:28
sometimes
29:28
the
29:28
best
29:28
way
29:29
to
29:30
overcome
29:30
a
29:30
screw
29:31
up
29:31
is
29:31
to
29:31
say
29:31
I
29:32
made
29:32
a
29:32
mistake
29:33
and
29:33
do
29:33
what
29:34
you
29:34
can
29:34
to
29:34
remedy
29:35
it.
29:35
Yeah,
29:36
yeah.
29:38
The
29:38
next,
29:39
the
29:39
next
29:39
Olympian
29:40
I'd
29:40
like
29:40
to
29:41
discuss
29:43
is
29:43
John
29:43
Stephen
29:44
Akwary.
29:45
Did
29:45
I
29:45
get
29:46
that
29:46
one
29:46
right?
29:47
John
29:47
Stephen
29:47
Aquari.
29:48
Yeah,
29:48
from
29:49
Tanzania.
29:49
Very
29:49
good.
29:51
I
29:51
find,
29:52
I
29:52
find
29:52
his
29:52
story
29:53
quite
29:53
fascinating
29:54
as
29:54
well.
29:56
And
29:57
the
29:57
first
29:58
question
29:58
I
29:58
have
29:59
really
29:59
isn't
29:59
about
30:00
him,
30:00
it's
30:00
more
30:01
about
30:01
you.
30:04
I
30:04
had
30:05
trouble
30:05
following
30:05
this.
30:06
When
30:07
you
30:07
went
30:07
to
30:08
South
30:08
Africa
30:09
on
30:09
a
30:10
trip,
30:11
I
30:11
believe
30:11
to
30:11
Tanzania,
30:15
was
30:15
that
30:16
in
30:16
search
30:17
of
30:17
him?
30:17
Was
30:18
that
30:18
just,
30:19
that's
30:19
where
30:19
we're
30:19
going
30:20
on
30:20
a
30:20
vacation?
30:21
And
30:21
then
30:21
you
30:22
stumbled
30:22
upon
30:23
him.
30:23
Was
30:24
it
30:24
planned?
30:25
How
30:25
did
30:26
the
30:26
meet
30:27
about
30:28
with
30:28
Pakwari
30:29
come
30:30
about?
30:31
It's
30:31
a
30:31
great
30:32
needle
30:32
in
30:32
a
30:32
haystack
30:33
story.
30:33
Frankly,
30:34
my
30:34
wife
30:35
and
30:35
I
30:35
were
30:35
already
30:36
planning
30:36
to
30:36
go
30:37
to
30:37
Tanzania.
30:38
We
30:38
had
30:39
always
30:39
wanted
30:39
to
30:39
go
30:39
to
30:40
Africa
30:40
and
30:40
go
30:40
on
30:41
safaris
30:41
and
30:42
do
30:43
up
30:43
close
30:43
first
30:44
person
30:44
viewing
30:45
of
30:45
wildlife.
30:45
By
30:46
the
30:46
way,
30:46
for
30:46
anybody
30:47
listening
30:47
to
30:48
this
30:48
podcast
30:48
who's
30:49
debating
30:49
going
30:49
to
30:50
Africa,
30:51
don't
30:51
debate
30:51
it
30:51
anymore,
30:52
just
30:52
go.
30:53
You'll,
30:53
you'll
30:54
find
30:54
it
30:54
phenomenal.
30:55
But.
30:57
So
30:57
in
30:57
our
30:57
case,
30:58
we
30:58
were
30:58
going
30:58
over
30:58
there.
30:59
I
30:59
came
31:00
upon
31:00
him
31:00
in
31:00
my
31:01
research
31:01
for
31:01
the
31:02
book
31:02
and
31:03
again,
31:04
I
31:04
was
31:04
really
31:05
drawn
31:05
to
31:06
Mr.
31:06
Aquarius
31:08
because
31:08
of
31:08
what
31:08
he
31:08
did
31:08
in
31:09
that
31:09
he
31:09
was
31:10
Also
31:10
in
31:10
that
31:10
1968
31:11
Mexico
31:12
City
31:12
Games,
31:13
and
31:13
he
31:13
was
31:13
an
31:14
injured
31:14
athlete
31:14
at
31:15
about
31:15
mile
31:15
17
31:17
of
31:17
26.2.
31:19
And
31:20
I
31:20
don't
31:21
know
31:21
how
31:21
many
31:21
of
31:21
your
31:21
listeners
31:22
have
31:22
run
31:22
a
31:22
marathon.
31:23
I've
31:23
run
31:23
two
31:23
of
31:23
them.
31:24
I
31:24
have
31:25
not
31:25
run
31:25
a
31:25
marathon.
31:25
I
31:26
used
31:26
to
31:26
be
31:26
a
31:26
cross
31:26
country
31:27
runner.
31:27
It
31:27
was
31:27
a
31:27
goal,
31:28
But
31:29
I
31:30
have
31:30
some
31:30
pretty
31:30
bad
31:31
knees.
31:31
A
31:31
skiing
31:32
accident.
31:32
Not
31:33
as
31:34
bad
31:34
as
31:35
Brian
31:35
Stemmel,
31:36
but
31:36
I
31:36
had
31:37
a
31:37
skiing
31:37
accident.
31:38
Okay,
31:38
well,
31:39
for
31:40
the
31:40
marathon,
31:41
you
31:41
know,
31:41
what
31:41
I
31:41
found
31:42
in
31:42
my
31:42
two
31:43
tries
31:44
at
31:44
it
31:44
is
31:45
that
31:45
mile
31:45
18
31:46
through
31:46
mile
31:47
26.2
31:48
is
31:48
a
31:48
little
31:48
bit
31:48
like
31:49
a
31:49
makeshift
31:49
hospital
31:50
ward.
31:51
You
31:51
will
31:51
find
31:52
bodies
31:52
strewn
31:52
all
31:53
over
31:53
the
31:53
place
31:53
because
31:55
the
31:55
human
31:55
body
31:56
isn't
31:56
really
31:56
meant
31:57
to
31:57
go
31:57
that
31:57
far.
31:59
And
31:59
so
31:59
I
31:59
can
32:00
understand
32:01
instinctively
32:02
that
32:02
people
32:03
get
32:03
to
32:03
that
32:04
point
32:04
and
32:04
say,
32:04
yeah,
32:06
well,
32:06
you
32:07
know,
32:08
John
32:08
Stephen,
32:08
a
32:09
quarry,
32:09
was
32:09
caught
32:09
in
32:10
some
32:10
jostling
32:10
and
32:11
injured
32:11
pretty
32:11
badly
32:12
at
32:12
mile
32:12
17,
32:14
and
32:15
he
32:15
never
32:15
stopped.
32:17
A
32:17
lot
32:17
of
32:17
people
32:17
run
32:18
a
32:18
marathon,
32:18
including
32:19
the
32:19
guy
32:19
you're
32:19
talking
32:20
to,
32:21
stopped
32:21
and
32:21
walked
32:22
a
32:22
little
32:22
bit
32:22
and
32:22
did
32:23
combination
32:23
walk
32:24
running.
32:24
He
32:25
never
32:25
did.
32:26
And
32:26
so
32:27
that
32:27
was.
32:28
That
32:28
was
32:28
something
32:29
that
32:29
really
32:29
drew
32:29
me
32:30
to
32:30
him.
32:30
But.
32:30
But
32:31
to
32:31
your
32:31
point,
32:31
when
32:31
we
32:32
went
32:32
to
32:32
Tanzania
32:33
and
32:33
I
32:34
had
32:34
researched
32:34
him
32:34
and
32:35
knew
32:35
I
32:35
wanted
32:35
to
32:35
include
32:36
him
32:36
in
32:36
the
32:36
book,
32:37
I
32:37
tried
32:38
all
32:38
the
32:38
traditional
32:39
routes,
32:39
you
32:40
know,
32:40
the
32:40
social
32:41
media
32:41
and
32:42
governing
32:42
bodies
32:43
of
32:43
the
32:43
sport
32:43
for
32:44
the
32:44
country.
32:45
And
32:45
I.
32:45
I
32:46
was
32:46
coming
32:46
up
32:46
empty,
32:47
and
32:47
I
32:47
finally
32:48
said
32:48
to
32:49
our
32:49
tour
32:49
company,
32:50
go
32:50
to
32:50
Africa.
32:51
I
32:52
know
32:52
this
32:52
is
32:52
a
32:52
crazy
32:53
question,
32:54
but
32:54
do
32:55
you
32:55
think
32:55
you
32:55
could
32:56
find
32:56
a
32:56
guy
32:56
named
32:56
John
32:57
Stephen
32:57
a
32:57
quarry?
32:58
And
32:59
they
32:59
said,
33:00
probably
33:01
not,
33:01
but
33:01
let's
33:01
give
33:02
it
33:02
a
33:02
try.
33:03
Two
33:03
weeks
33:03
later,
33:04
they
33:04
came
33:04
back.
33:04
They
33:05
said,
33:05
you're
33:05
not
33:05
going
33:05
to
33:05
believe
33:06
this,
33:06
but
33:06
we
33:06
found
33:07
his
33:07
daughter,
33:07
Josephine.
33:09
She
33:09
lives
33:09
in
33:10
Dar
33:10
es
33:10
Salaam.
33:12
And
33:13
Josephine
33:14
and
33:14
the
33:14
touring
33:15
company,
33:16
through
33:16
their
33:16
graciousness,
33:18
I
33:19
was
33:19
able
33:19
to
33:19
find
33:19
a
33:20
place
33:20
close
33:21
enough
33:21
to
33:21
where
33:22
Mr.
33:22
Aquari
33:23
lives
33:23
and
33:23
close
33:24
enough
33:24
to
33:24
where
33:24
we
33:24
were
33:25
visiting
33:26
that
33:26
we
33:26
could
33:26
get
33:27
him
33:27
over
33:27
there
33:27
on
33:27
a
33:28
car
33:28
and
33:28
a
33:28
motorcycle
33:29
and
33:29
get
33:29
him
33:29
back.
33:30
His
33:31
daughter,
33:31
when
33:31
she
33:32
found
33:32
out
33:32
that
33:32
he'd
33:32
done
33:33
the
33:33
car
33:33
motorcycle
33:34
thing,
33:34
was
33:35
horrified,
33:36
because
33:36
he's
33:36
85,
33:38
but
33:39
he
33:39
was
33:39
a
33:39
delight.
33:40
And
33:41
get
33:41
this.
33:41
The
33:42
other
33:42
thing
33:42
is
33:42
that
33:42
he.
33:43
He
33:43
speaks
33:43
only
33:43
a
33:44
little
33:44
bit
33:44
of
33:44
English.
33:46
So
33:46
the
33:46
guy
33:46
who
33:47
was
33:47
one
33:47
of
33:47
our
33:47
safari
33:48
guides,
33:50
agreed
33:51
to
33:51
be
33:51
our
33:52
translator
33:52
for
33:53
the
33:53
interview.
33:54
So
33:54
all
33:55
this
33:55
stuff
33:55
came
33:55
together,
33:56
and
33:56
it
33:56
was
33:56
a
33:57
near
33:57
miracle.
33:59
And
33:59
I
33:59
thought
33:59
it
33:59
was
33:59
apropos,
34:00
because
34:00
I
34:01
was
34:01
talking
34:01
to
34:01
this
34:02
guy
34:02
who,
34:03
to
34:03
me,
34:04
it
34:04
was
34:04
a
34:04
bit
34:04
of
34:04
a
34:04
near
34:05
miracle
34:05
that
34:05
he
34:06
finished
34:06
a
34:06
marathon
34:07
at
34:07
high
34:07
altitude
34:08
back
34:08
in
34:08
1968.
34:10
And
34:10
that's
34:11
where
34:11
I
34:11
wanted
34:11
to
34:11
go
34:11
next,
34:12
the
34:12
high
34:12
altitude.
34:13
So,
34:15
you
34:15
know,
34:15
Mexico
34:16
City
34:16
being
34:17
what,
34:17
you
34:18
know,
34:19
a
34:19
mile
34:19
up
34:20
there?
34:20
I
34:20
mean,
34:20
it's
34:20
pretty
34:21
high
34:21
up
34:21
there.
34:21
You
34:22
need
34:22
to
34:22
train.
34:23
Yeah,
34:23
you
34:23
need
34:24
to
34:24
train
34:24
for
34:24
that.
34:25
And
34:27
a
34:27
quarry
34:29
was
34:31
denied,
34:32
I
34:32
guess,
34:33
training
34:34
in
34:34
such
34:35
an
34:36
elevated
34:39
position.
34:39
Right.
34:40
They
34:40
wouldn't
34:40
allow
34:41
him
34:41
to
34:41
train
34:42
at
34:42
such
34:42
an
34:42
elevated
34:43
height.
34:44
Why,
34:45
why
34:45
did
34:45
that
34:46
happen
34:46
and
34:47
how
34:48
does
34:48
that
34:48
affect
34:49
a
34:49
marathoner,
34:50
any
34:50
of
34:50
the
34:50
runners,
34:51
really?
34:51
Yeah,
34:52
well,
34:52
you
34:53
know,
34:53
I
34:53
like
34:53
to
34:54
think
34:54
we
34:54
live
34:54
and
34:54
learn.
34:55
I
34:55
mentioned
34:55
a
34:56
few
34:56
minutes
34:56
ago
34:56
the,
34:57
the
34:57
only
34:57
five
34:58
water
34:58
stations
34:59
for
34:59
both
34:59
men
34:59
and
35:00
women,
35:00
by
35:00
the
35:00
way,
35:01
at
35:01
the
35:01
1984
35:02
Olympics.
35:02
You
35:02
live
35:03
and
35:03
learn
35:03
and
35:03
you
35:03
understand
35:04
the
35:05
supreme
35:05
importance
35:06
of
35:06
hydrating.
35:09
In
35:09
nineteen
35:10
six,
35:10
heading
35:10
into
35:11
1968,
35:12
Tanzania
35:12
was
35:13
a
35:13
brand
35:13
new
35:13
country.
35:14
Country
35:15
only
35:16
became
35:16
formalized
35:17
as
35:17
one
35:17
in
35:17
1964.
35:20
So
35:20
they,
35:21
they
35:22
didn't
35:22
think
35:22
about
35:23
the
35:23
training
35:24
at
35:24
altitude
35:25
the
35:25
way
35:25
the
35:26
Kenyans,
35:26
for
35:26
example,
35:28
had
35:28
so.
35:29
Well,
35:30
you
35:30
think
35:30
of
35:30
Kenya
35:31
as
35:31
a
35:31
country
35:31
in
35:31
Africa
35:32
that
35:32
has
35:32
turned
35:33
out
35:34
tremendous
35:34
numbers
35:35
of
35:35
distance
35:35
runners.
35:36
Well,
35:37
in
35:37
Tanzania
35:37
they
35:38
didn't
35:38
necessarily
35:38
think
35:39
about
35:39
that.
35:39
So
35:39
not
35:40
only
35:40
John
35:40
Stephen
35:41
A.
35:41
Quarry,
35:41
but
35:41
other
35:42
members
35:42
of
35:42
the
35:42
team
35:42
just
35:43
didn't
35:43
train
35:43
at
35:44
altitude.
35:46
Obviously
35:46
a
35:46
big
35:46
mistake
35:47
looking
35:47
back
35:48
because
35:48
you
35:49
have
35:49
Mount
35:49
Kilimanjaro.
35:50
He
35:51
certainly
35:51
had
35:51
places
35:52
to
35:52
train
35:52
at
35:53
altitude,
35:55
so
35:55
that
35:55
affected
35:56
him.
35:57
And
35:58
you
35:58
know,
35:59
should
35:59
they
35:59
have
35:59
done
35:59
that?
36:00
Obviously,
36:01
you
36:02
know,
36:02
I'm
36:02
sure
36:02
they've
36:03
learned
36:03
since
36:03
then
36:04
and
36:04
Tanzania
36:05
used
36:05
to
36:05
turn
36:06
out
36:06
some
36:06
pretty
36:07
darn
36:07
good
36:07
track
36:07
and
36:08
field
36:08
stars,
36:10
but
36:10
heading
36:10
into
36:11
1968,
36:12
they
36:12
didn't
36:12
do
36:12
a
36:12
very
36:12
good
36:13
job
36:13
with
36:13
that.
36:13
And
36:13
it,
36:14
and
36:14
it
36:14
came
36:14
home
36:14
to
36:15
Rooster.
36:19
So
36:19
there
36:19
was
36:20
no
36:20
underlying
36:21
reasoning
36:22
to
36:23
deny
36:23
him
36:24
the
36:24
opportunity
36:25
to
36:25
trade
36:26
to
36:26
train
36:27
at
36:27
such
36:27
a
36:28
high
36:28
altitude.
36:28
It's
36:29
just
36:29
the
36:29
way
36:29
it
36:29
was.
36:30
Just
36:30
the
36:30
way
36:31
it
36:31
was.
36:31
Yeah.
36:31
Just
36:32
not
36:32
a
36:32
very
36:32
good
36:33
decision
36:33
by
36:33
the.
36:34
By
36:34
a
36:34
young
36:35
country
36:35
that
36:36
again,
36:36
let's
36:37
give
36:37
them
36:37
a
36:37
little
36:37
grace.
36:38
They
36:38
were
36:39
learning
36:40
on
36:40
the
36:40
job.
36:41
Right.
36:42
You
36:42
know,
36:42
I
36:42
think,
36:43
you
36:43
know,
36:43
had.
36:44
If
36:44
we
36:45
could
36:45
transport
36:45
Mr.
36:46
Quarry
36:46
back
36:47
to
36:47
his
36:48
25
36:49
year
36:49
old
36:49
self,
36:49
he'd
36:50
probably
36:50
be
36:50
given
36:51
better
36:51
training
36:52
and
36:52
preparation.
36:53
But
36:53
he
36:53
wasn't
36:53
at
36:53
that
36:54
time.
36:57
You
36:58
know,
36:58
the
36:59
way
36:59
we
36:59
define
37:00
a
37:00
hero
37:02
is
37:03
it
37:03
varies.
37:05
You
37:05
know,
37:05
these
37:06
are,
37:06
I
37:06
would
37:06
guess,
37:08
sports
37:08
heroes.
37:10
You
37:10
know,
37:11
is,
37:12
is
37:12
Tom
37:12
Brady
37:13
a
37:14
hero?
37:15
Is,
37:16
you
37:16
know,
37:18
Shohei
37:18
Ohtani
37:20
a
37:20
hero?
37:21
Well,
37:21
in,
37:22
in
37:22
certain
37:22
aspects
37:24
they
37:24
are.
37:25
But
37:25
what's
37:26
the
37:26
real
37:26
definition
37:27
of
37:27
a
37:28
hero?
37:28
And
37:29
I
37:29
think
37:30
in
37:31
your
37:31
book
37:32
you
37:32
actually
37:33
have
37:33
someone
37:35
that
37:35
is
37:36
very
37:36
close
37:37
if
37:38
not
37:38
the
37:38
true
37:39
definition
37:40
of
37:40
a
37:40
hero.
37:41
And
37:41
that
37:41
would
37:42
be
37:42
Lawrence
37:42
Lemieux
37:43
from
37:44
Canada.
37:45
His
37:46
Olympic
37:47
experience
37:48
was
37:49
certainly
37:49
different
37:51
than
37:53
really
37:54
any
37:54
of
37:54
the
37:54
others
37:55
that
37:55
you
37:56
discussed.
37:58
He
37:59
dropped
38:00
out
38:00
of
38:00
his
38:00
race.
38:01
He.
38:02
He
38:03
was
38:04
a
38:04
sailor.
38:05
Dropped
38:05
out
38:05
of
38:05
his
38:06
race
38:07
to
38:07
save
38:07
the
38:08
lives
38:08
of
38:09
other
38:09
sailors
38:10
from
38:11
other
38:11
countries.
38:12
Talk
38:13
about
38:13
his
38:14
experience
38:15
and
38:15
how
38:16
he
38:16
was
38:16
rewarded
38:17
after
38:17
the
38:17
fact.
38:19
Yeah,
38:19
I'll
38:20
always
38:20
have
38:20
a
38:20
fond
38:20
place
38:21
in
38:21
my
38:21
heart
38:21
for
38:21
Lawrence
38:22
Lemieux
38:22
because
38:23
he
38:23
was
38:23
the
38:23
very
38:23
first
38:24
athlete
38:24
who
38:24
got
38:25
back
38:25
to
38:25
me
38:25
when
38:25
I
38:26
was
38:26
reaching
38:26
out
38:26
and
38:27
putting
38:27
together
38:27
all
38:28
the
38:28
chapters.
38:28
So
38:28
he
38:29
was,
38:29
he
38:29
was
38:30
my
38:30
first
38:30
interview.
38:31
And
38:32
I'll
38:33
always
38:33
love
38:33
him
38:33
for
38:33
that
38:34
especially.
38:35
But
38:35
I
38:36
just
38:36
love
38:36
his
38:36
story
38:37
too,
38:37
because
38:39
first
38:39
of
38:39
all,
38:40
he
38:40
grew
38:40
up
38:41
in
38:42
the
38:42
province
38:43
of
38:43
Alberta.
38:44
Not
38:44
exactly
38:45
a
38:45
sailing
38:45
hotbed.
38:46
Right.
38:46
It's
38:46
like
38:47
talking
38:48
about
38:48
a
38:48
surfer
38:48
from
38:49
Nebraska.
38:50
Not
38:50
too
38:50
many
38:51
of
38:51
them.
38:51
So
38:53
Ontario
38:53
on
38:54
the
38:54
east
38:54
coast,
38:54
British
38:55
Columbia
38:55
on
38:55
the
38:55
west
38:56
coast.
38:56
Those
38:56
are
38:57
the
38:57
sailing
38:57
havens
38:58
for,
38:58
for
39:00
our
39:00
friends
39:00
to
39:01
the
39:01
north
39:01
in
39:01
Canada.
39:02
So
39:03
Lawrence
39:03
Lemieux
39:04
grew
39:04
up
39:04
on
39:04
a
39:04
lake.
39:05
He
39:05
got
39:06
very
39:06
interested
39:07
very
39:07
early
39:08
on
39:08
in
39:08
sailing
39:11
and
39:11
to
39:11
the
39:11
point
39:12
where
39:12
his
39:13
passion
39:13
was
39:14
such
39:14
that
39:14
he
39:15
was
39:15
going
39:15
all
39:16
over
39:16
North
39:16
America
39:18
and
39:18
working
39:18
odd
39:19
jobs
39:19
to
39:19
pay
39:19
for
39:20
his
39:21
sailing
39:21
career,
39:22
if
39:22
you
39:22
will.
39:23
And
39:23
this
39:24
guy
39:24
drove
39:24
in
39:24
a
39:25
con,
39:25
you
39:25
know,
39:25
beat
39:26
up
39:26
Econoline
39:27
van,
39:27
and
39:27
then
39:28
he
39:28
got
39:28
another
39:28
and
39:29
another.
39:30
He
39:30
ended
39:31
up
39:31
with
39:31
four
39:31
of
39:31
them.
39:32
He
39:32
drive
39:32
to
39:33
San
39:33
Francisco,
39:34
he
39:34
drive
39:34
to
39:35
Florida,
39:35
you
39:35
name
39:36
it.
39:37
And
39:37
this
39:38
guy
39:38
wanted
39:39
nothing
39:39
more
39:40
than
39:40
to
39:40
be
39:40
an
39:41
Olympian.
39:41
He
39:41
was
39:42
a
39:42
multi
39:43
time
39:43
Olympian
39:44
also
39:44
snake
39:45
bit
39:45
by
39:45
a
39:45
boycott
39:46
in
39:46
1980,
39:47
by
39:47
the
39:47
way.
39:49
But
39:49
in
39:49
1988,
39:51
he
39:51
was
39:51
in
39:52
Seoul,
39:52
South
39:53
Korea,
39:53
and
39:53
he
39:54
knew
39:54
it
39:54
was
39:54
his
39:54
time.
39:55
He
39:55
was
39:56
one
39:56
of
39:56
the
39:56
best
39:56
sailors
39:57
in
39:57
Canada.
39:59
He
39:59
knew
39:59
he
39:59
was
40:00
in
40:00
a
40:00
good
40:00
place
40:00
to
40:01
medal.
40:02
Sailing
40:02
is
40:02
not
40:03
a
40:03
one
40:04
and
40:04
done.
40:04
It's
40:05
several
40:05
races
40:06
that
40:06
cumulatively
40:07
add
40:07
up
40:07
to
40:07
a
40:08
medal
40:08
count.
40:08
But
40:09
this
40:09
was
40:09
the
40:10
second
40:10
of
40:10
about
40:10
seven
40:11
races.
40:11
And,
40:12
and
40:12
Lawrence
40:12
Lemieux
40:13
that
40:13
day
40:13
was
40:14
in
40:14
great
40:14
shape.
40:14
He
40:14
was
40:15
leading
40:15
the
40:15
race.
40:16
Then
40:16
he
40:17
missed
40:17
a
40:17
marker.
40:17
He
40:18
dropped
40:18
into
40:18
second.
40:19
But
40:19
there
40:19
was
40:19
no
40:19
question
40:20
he
40:20
was
40:20
going
40:21
to
40:21
be
40:22
finishing
40:22
strong,
40:23
putting
40:24
himself
40:24
in
40:24
a
40:24
fantastic
40:25
position
40:25
for
40:26
a
40:26
medal.
40:27
But
40:28
then
40:28
he
40:28
saw
40:28
a
40:28
head
40:28
bobbing
40:29
in
40:29
the
40:29
water
40:29
adjacent
40:30
to
40:30
the
40:30
course.
40:31
And
40:32
he
40:32
remembered
40:32
the
40:32
credo
40:33
with
40:33
sailors,
40:34
which
40:34
is,
40:34
if
40:35
you
40:35
see
40:35
something,
40:36
you
40:36
gotta
40:36
stop.
40:37
If
40:37
you
40:37
see
40:37
someone,
40:38
you
40:38
gotta
40:38
help
40:38
them.
40:39
That's
40:40
fine
40:40
on
40:41
a
40:41
Saturday
40:41
afternoon
40:42
when
40:42
you're
40:42
not
40:42
in
40:43
the
40:43
Olympics,
40:43
Right?
40:44
He
40:44
was
40:44
in
40:44
the
40:45
Olympic
40:45
Games.
40:46
And
40:46
this
40:46
guy
40:46
had
40:46
spent
40:47
his
40:47
whole
40:48
life
40:49
wanting
40:49
to
40:50
be
40:50
in
40:50
the
40:50
position
40:50
he
40:51
was
40:51
in.
40:52
And
40:53
yet
40:53
he
40:54
said,
40:54
I
40:54
gotta
40:54
help.
40:55
He
40:56
Gets
40:56
off
40:56
the
40:57
course.
40:58
He
40:58
found
40:58
a
40:59
Singaporean
40:59
sailor
41:00
named
41:00
Joseph
41:01
Chen
41:02
adjacent
41:03
to
41:03
the
41:03
course.
41:04
He
41:05
picks
41:05
him
41:05
up,
41:05
he
41:05
drags
41:06
him
41:06
in
41:06
his
41:06
fin
41:07
class
41:07
sailboat,
41:08
gets
41:09
him
41:09
to
41:09
shore.
41:10
He's
41:11
disqualified.
41:12
You
41:12
know,
41:12
he's
41:12
left
41:12
the
41:13
course.
41:15
And
41:15
yet,
41:17
you
41:17
know,
41:17
you
41:17
could
41:18
say,
41:18
while
41:18
Lawrence
41:18
Lemieux
41:19
never
41:19
did
41:19
win
41:20
a
41:20
medal,
41:21
he
41:21
might
41:21
have
41:21
done
41:22
something
41:22
far
41:22
more
41:22
important.
41:23
You
41:23
can
41:24
have
41:24
all
41:24
the
41:24
debates
41:24
in
41:25
the
41:25
world
41:25
about,
41:25
you
41:26
know,
41:26
that's
41:26
the.
41:26
Definition
41:27
of
41:27
a
41:27
hero,
41:28
right?
41:28
I
41:29
said,
41:29
in
41:29
your
41:29
book,
41:30
if
41:30
you
41:30
want
41:31
to
41:32
call
41:33
one
41:33
person
41:34
a
41:35
real
41:35
hero,
41:37
that's
41:38
what
41:38
Lawrence
41:38
Lemieux
41:39
is.
41:39
And
41:40
again,
41:41
uh,
41:41
he'll
41:41
fight
41:41
you
41:42
on
41:42
that.
41:42
He'll
41:42
be
41:42
the
41:43
first
41:43
guy
41:43
in
41:43
the
41:43
debate
41:44
line
41:44
saying,
41:45
I
41:45
just
41:45
did
41:46
what
41:46
all
41:46
sailors
41:47
would
41:47
do.
41:47
And
41:48
his
41:48
teammates
41:48
would
41:48
say,
41:49
baloney,
41:49
Right?
41:50
Did
41:50
he,
41:50
though?
41:50
Because
41:51
I'm
41:51
sure
41:52
I.
41:53
I'm
41:53
not
41:54
going
41:54
to
41:54
accuse
41:54
anybody
41:55
of
41:56
anything
41:57
they
41:57
shouldn't
41:57
have
41:57
done.
41:58
But
41:58
you
41:58
got
41:59
to
41:59
believe
41:59
that
42:00
if
42:00
he
42:00
saw
42:00
a
42:00
head
42:01
bobbing,
42:01
somebody
42:02
else
42:02
had
42:02
to
42:03
and
42:03
said,
42:03
wait,
42:03
I'm
42:04
the
42:04
Olympics.
42:04
I'm
42:04
going
42:05
to
42:05
keep
42:05
going,
42:05
right?
42:06
And
42:06
years
42:06
later,
42:07
you
42:07
know
42:07
how
42:08
they.
42:08
They
42:08
will
42:09
pull
42:09
out
42:09
the
42:09
old
42:09
Olympic
42:10
athletes
42:10
for
42:11
ads
42:11
ahead
42:11
of
42:11
the
42:11
Olympic
42:12
Games.
42:12
Well,
42:12
Canada
42:13
does
42:13
that,
42:14
just
42:14
as
42:14
we
42:14
do
42:14
in
42:15
the
42:15
U.S.
42:15
and
42:16
so
42:16
Lawrence
42:16
Lemieux
42:17
found
42:17
himself
42:18
in
42:18
a
42:18
McDonald's
42:19
commercial,
42:19
and
42:20
lo
42:21
and
42:21
behold,
42:22
they
42:22
also
42:22
asked
42:23
Joseph
42:23
Chen
42:23
to
42:24
be
42:24
in
42:24
that
42:24
commercial.
42:25
And
42:25
one
42:25
of
42:26
the
42:26
athletes
42:26
that.
42:27
That
42:27
Lawrence
42:28
ended
42:28
up
42:28
coaching,
42:29
I
42:29
interviewed
42:30
him,
42:31
and
42:32
he
42:33
said,
42:33
I'll
42:33
tell
42:34
you
42:34
what
42:34
I
42:34
saw.
42:34
Mr.
42:35
Chen
42:35
was
42:36
showing
42:36
Lawrence
42:36
Lemieux
42:37
pictures
42:37
of
42:37
his
42:38
kids,
42:39
and
42:39
every
42:40
bone
42:41
in
42:41
Mr.
42:41
Chen's
42:42
body
42:42
was
42:42
showing
42:43
me
42:43
that
42:44
he
42:45
very
42:45
much
42:45
thought
42:46
Lawrence
42:46
Lemieux
42:46
had
42:47
saved
42:47
his
42:47
life.
42:48
Joseph
42:48
Chen
42:48
went
42:49
on
42:49
to
42:49
a
42:49
great
42:49
career
42:49
in
42:50
sailing
42:50
in
42:50
Singapore,
42:51
by
42:51
the
42:51
way,
42:51
became
42:52
a,
42:52
you
42:52
know,
42:52
a
42:53
coach
42:53
for
42:53
the
42:53
national
42:54
team.
42:54
And
42:55
so
42:56
what
42:56
a
42:56
great
42:57
story.
42:58
Didn't
42:58
win
42:59
a
42:59
medal,
42:59
but.
42:59
But
43:00
who
43:00
cares?
43:00
Did
43:00
something
43:01
profound.
43:02
But
43:02
did.
43:02
Wasn't
43:03
he
43:03
awarded
43:04
some
43:04
sort
43:04
of
43:04
medal
43:05
later,
43:05
like
43:06
a
43:06
really
43:06
special
43:07
medal
43:07
of
43:07
some
43:08
sort?
43:08
He
43:08
was.
43:08
He
43:09
was
43:09
awarded.
43:11
It
43:11
was
43:11
a
43:12
certificate
43:13
that
43:13
was
43:13
sort
43:14
of
43:14
the
43:14
equivalent
43:15
of
43:15
a
43:15
medal.
43:17
And
43:18
so
43:18
it's
43:18
something
43:18
that,
43:19
you
43:20
know,
43:20
he
43:20
was
43:20
very
43:20
proud
43:21
of.
43:22
But
43:22
again,
43:24
I
43:24
told
43:24
you
43:24
what
43:24
I
43:24
loved
43:25
about
43:25
these
43:25
athletes
43:26
is
43:26
they
43:26
don't.
43:27
They
43:27
don't
43:28
think
43:28
of
43:28
themselves
43:28
as
43:29
heroes.
43:30
I
43:30
don't
43:30
see
43:31
how
43:31
you
43:31
can
43:32
ask
43:32
a
43:33
neutral
43:33
observer
43:34
and
43:34
not
43:34
come
43:34
to
43:34
the
43:34
conclusion
43:35
that
43:35
Lawrence
43:36
Lemieux
43:36
absolutely
43:37
was.
43:38
Definitely,
43:38
definitely
43:39
a
43:39
hero.
43:41
Now,
43:42
maybe
43:42
not
43:42
necessarily
43:43
a
43:43
hero,
43:44
but
43:44
again,
43:45
somebody
43:46
who.
43:48
Unsung
43:49
for
43:49
sure,
43:51
Alexander
43:52
Cushy,
43:56
he
43:56
didn't
43:56
compete
43:58
Instead,
44:00
his
44:00
story
44:00
is
44:01
about
44:01
a
44:01
vision
44:02
he
44:02
had
44:04
to
44:04
bring
44:04
the
44:05
1960
44:06
Winter
44:07
Olympics
44:08
to
44:09
Squaw
44:10
Valley.
44:11
Who
44:11
was
44:12
Alexander
44:13
Cushing.
44:14
And
44:14
talk
44:14
about
44:15
his
44:15
vision
44:15
and
44:16
how
44:16
he
44:16
made
44:17
it
44:17
happen.
44:19
Yeah,
44:19
I
44:20
finished
44:20
my
44:20
book
44:21
with
44:21
the
44:21
story
44:22
of
44:22
Alex
44:22
Cushing
44:23
and
44:23
others
44:23
in
44:23
that
44:24
1960
44:24
Winter
44:25
Games,
44:26
because
44:26
I
44:26
just
44:27
loved
44:27
it.
44:28
And
44:28
Alex
44:29
Cushing
44:29
was,
44:30
you
44:30
know,
44:31
a
44:31
brash,
44:31
talking
44:33
New
44:33
York
44:33
lawyer
44:35
who
44:36
then
44:36
went
44:37
out
44:37
to
44:40
Squaw
44:40
Valley,
44:41
Lake
44:41
Tahoe
44:41
area
44:42
and
44:42
fell
44:42
in
44:42
love
44:43
with
44:43
it,
44:44
ultimately
44:44
moved
44:45
there,
44:45
ultimately
44:46
became
44:46
a
44:46
partner
44:48
with.
44:49
With
44:49
another
44:50
person
44:50
who
44:50
owned
44:50
a
44:50
bunch
44:51
of
44:51
property
44:51
there.
44:52
And
44:53
he
44:54
loved
44:54
the
44:55
snow
44:56
of
44:57
that
44:57
area
44:57
and
44:58
the
44:58
ski
44:58
areas
44:59
so
44:59
much
45:00
that
45:01
he
45:01
had
45:01
this
45:02
thought
45:03
that
45:04
wouldn't
45:04
it
45:04
be
45:04
great
45:05
if
45:05
we
45:05
could
45:05
get
45:05
an
45:06
Olympic
45:06
Games
45:06
to
45:06
Squaw
45:07
Valley?
45:07
He
45:07
had
45:07
a
45:07
little
45:08
bit
45:08
of
45:08
a
45:08
problem,
45:08
though,
45:09
and
45:09
that
45:09
was
45:10
that,
45:10
you
45:11
know,
45:11
the
45:11
resorts
45:11
we
45:12
think
45:12
about
45:12
today
45:13
when
45:13
we
45:13
go
45:13
there,
45:14
Palisades,
45:14
Tahoe
45:15
and
45:15
Crystal
45:16
and
45:17
all
45:17
these,
45:18
they
45:18
weren't
45:18
there.
45:20
And
45:22
leading
45:22
up
45:22
to
45:22
the
45:22
1960
45:23
Games,
45:24
very
45:24
different
45:25
than
45:25
what
45:25
we
45:25
think
45:26
of
45:26
today
45:26
with
45:27
the
45:27
Winter
45:27
Games,
45:27
where
45:28
we're
45:28
like,
45:28
oh,
45:28
of
45:29
course
45:29
it's
45:29
going
45:29
to
45:29
be
45:29
in
45:30
Salt
45:30
Lake
45:30
City,
45:30
or,
45:31
of
45:31
course
45:31
it's
45:31
going
45:31
to
45:31
be
45:31
in
45:32
Lake
45:32
Placid.
45:33
There
45:33
have
45:33
been
45:33
only
45:34
one
45:34
Olympics
45:35
that
45:35
wasn't
45:35
in
45:35
the
45:36
shadow
45:36
of
45:36
the
45:36
Alps.
45:37
So
45:38
you
45:38
had
45:38
this
45:38
situation
45:39
where
45:39
the
45:40
European
45:40
countries
45:41
just
45:41
thought,
45:42
of
45:42
course
45:43
the
45:43
Winter
45:43
Games
45:43
are
45:44
coming
45:44
to
45:44
us
45:45
near
45:45
the
45:45
Alps.
45:46
We'll
45:46
just
45:47
switch
45:48
it.
45:48
You
45:48
know,
45:49
Austria
45:50
here,
45:50
France
45:50
there,
45:51
Italy
45:51
there.
45:53
And
45:55
so
45:55
Alex
45:55
Cushing
45:56
had
45:56
what
45:56
was
45:57
considered
45:57
an
45:58
impossible
45:58
vision.
45:59
He
45:59
didn't
45:59
really
45:59
have
46:01
resort,
46:02
but
46:02
what
46:02
he
46:02
did
46:02
have
46:03
is
46:03
a
46:03
story
46:03
to
46:04
sell.
46:05
And
46:05
he.
46:07
I
46:07
think
46:08
the
46:08
fact
46:08
that
46:08
he
46:09
was
46:09
overlooked,
46:11
the
46:11
fact
46:11
that
46:11
there
46:11
were
46:12
articles
46:12
printed
46:12
about
46:13
other
46:13
places
46:13
that
46:14
wanted
46:14
the
46:14
Olympics
46:15
really
46:15
fueled
46:15
this
46:16
guy
46:17
who
46:17
had
46:17
a
46:18
drive
46:18
and
46:18
a
46:18
determination
46:19
and
46:19
frankly,
46:20
a
46:20
silver
46:20
tongue.
46:21
Like
46:22
few
46:22
others
46:22
before
46:23
him,
46:24
he
46:25
ended
46:25
up
46:26
selling
46:27
the
46:27
organizers
46:28
of
46:28
the
46:28
Olympics
46:29
on
46:29
the
46:29
idea
46:30
of
46:30
Squaw
46:30
Valley.
46:32
And
46:32
then
46:32
he
46:32
had
46:33
another
46:33
problem
46:33
when
46:33
it
46:33
got
46:34
selected.
46:34
Geez.
46:35
Now
46:35
you
46:35
had
46:35
to
46:35
create
46:36
the
46:36
facilities
46:37
and
46:37
create
46:37
the
46:38
venue,
46:40
and
46:40
it
46:40
ended
46:40
up
46:41
being
46:41
one
46:41
of
46:41
the
46:42
most
46:42
successful
46:42
Winter
46:43
Games
46:44
that
46:44
had
46:44
ever
46:45
occurred.
46:45
And
46:46
there
46:46
was
46:47
a
46:47
little
46:47
company
46:47
that
46:48
got
46:48
involved
46:48
in
46:48
choreographing
46:49
that,
46:50
called
46:50
the
46:50
Walt
46:50
Disney
46:51
Company.
46:52
The
46:52
timing
46:53
was
46:53
perfect
46:53
for
46:54
them.
46:54
They
46:54
were
46:54
trying
46:55
to
46:55
grow
46:55
their
46:55
brand.
46:56
And
46:57
Walt
46:57
Disney
46:59
had
46:59
already
47:00
been
47:00
someone
47:00
who
47:00
skied
47:01
in
47:01
that
47:01
area.
47:01
He
47:02
was
47:02
enamored
47:03
of
47:03
the
47:03
idea
47:03
of
47:04
choreographing
47:05
those
47:05
Games.
47:06
And
47:06
so
47:06
a
47:06
lot
47:07
of
47:07
the
47:07
things
47:08
that
47:08
we
47:08
see
47:09
today
47:09
with
47:09
these,
47:10
you
47:10
know,
47:11
well
47:11
produced
47:12
opening
47:12
ceremonies
47:13
really
47:13
started
47:14
with
47:14
1960,
47:16
by
47:16
the
47:16
way,
47:16
a
47:17
great
47:17
little
47:17
tidbit
47:18
is
47:18
that
47:19
Walt
47:19
Disney
47:20
never
47:20
again
47:21
choreographed
47:22
an
47:22
Olympic
47:23
Games.
47:24
However,
47:25
they're
47:25
going
47:26
to
47:26
make
47:26
a
47:26
second
47:26
appearance
47:27
as
47:27
a,
47:27
as
47:28
an
47:28
Olympic
47:28
Games
47:29
choreographer
47:29
and
47:30
that's
47:30
LA28.
47:32
So
47:32
they're
47:32
coming
47:32
out
47:32
of
47:33
retirement,
47:33
if
47:33
you
47:33
will,
47:34
to
47:34
do
47:34
it
47:34
again,
47:35
which,
47:35
which
47:35
I
47:36
love.
47:37
And
47:37
of
47:37
course
47:38
1960
47:39
is
47:40
where
47:40
really
47:40
the
47:40
first
47:41
Miracle
47:41
on
47:42
Ice
47:42
occurred.
47:43
Yes,
47:44
we
47:44
forget
47:44
that.
47:44
Yeah,
47:45
yeah,
47:45
we
47:45
always
47:46
think
47:46
about
47:46
1980.
47:47
And
47:48
in
47:48
no
47:48
way
47:49
am
47:49
I
47:49
taking
47:50
anything
47:50
away
47:51
from
47:52
1980
47:52
U.S.
47:53
olympic
47:53
hockey
47:54
team,
47:54
but
47:55
the
47:55
first
47:55
one
47:55
really,
47:56
truly
47:56
was
47:57
1960.
47:59
I
47:59
got
47:59
one
47:59
more
48:00
athlete
48:00
I
48:00
do
48:00
want
48:01
to
48:02
talk
48:03
about.
48:04
And
48:04
again,
48:05
your
48:05
book
48:08
here
48:08
we
48:09
defined,
48:10
you
48:10
know,
48:10
unsung
48:11
heroes.
48:13
There.
48:13
There's
48:14
so
48:14
many.
48:15
You
48:15
know,
48:15
you
48:16
really
48:16
go
48:16
deep
48:17
into
48:19
the
48:19
stories
48:20
of
48:20
so
48:20
many
48:20
of
48:21
these
48:21
people.
48:23
Brian
48:24
Stemmel,
48:24
is
48:24
that
48:25
how
48:25
you
48:25
pronounce
48:25
his
48:25
name?
48:26
That's
48:26
right.
48:26
Very
48:26
good.
48:27
I
48:27
mean
48:27
a
48:27
true
48:28
natural
48:29
when
48:30
he
48:30
came
48:30
to
48:30
skiing,
48:31
but
48:32
he
48:32
had
48:32
a
48:32
near
48:34
brush
48:34
with
48:34
death.
48:36
So
48:36
tell
48:36
us
48:36
about
48:37
Brian
48:37
Stemmel
48:38
and
48:38
please,
48:38
I
48:38
mean,
48:38
I
48:38
want
48:39
to
48:39
know
48:39
what
48:40
Nagano
48:41
Gold
48:42
newspaper
48:43
article
48:44
is.
48:44
You
48:44
know,
48:45
he
48:45
competed
48:46
in,
48:46
what
48:46
was
48:47
it,
48:47
three,
48:47
four
48:48
different
48:48
Olympics.
48:49
I
48:49
mean
48:49
that's
48:49
pretty
48:50
darned
48:50
unique.
48:51
And
48:53
your
48:53
story
48:53
really
48:54
frames
48:55
Brian
48:56
as
48:56
one
48:57
of
48:58
resilience,
49:00
perseverance
49:02
in
49:02
the
49:02
face
49:03
of,
49:03
of
49:04
death,
49:06
tragedy,
49:07
disappointment.
49:09
I
49:09
mean,
49:11
tell
49:11
us,
49:12
tell
49:12
us
49:12
about
49:13
Brian.
49:15
Yeah,
49:15
Brian
49:16
is,
49:16
is
49:16
such
49:17
a
49:17
good
49:17
story
49:18
because
49:19
he,
49:20
he
49:20
was
49:20
a
49:20
very
49:20
talented
49:21
athlete,
49:21
grew
49:22
up
49:22
about
49:22
30
49:22
miles
49:23
from
49:23
Toronto,
49:25
had
49:26
parents
49:26
who
49:26
were
49:26
skiers
49:27
and
49:27
importantly
49:28
had
49:28
a
49:28
sister
49:30
who
49:30
was
49:30
a
49:30
skier
49:31
you
49:31
mentioned.
49:31
Brian
49:32
is
49:32
a
49:32
four
49:32
time
49:32
Olympian.
49:33
Karen
49:33
was
49:34
an
49:34
Olympian,
49:34
his
49:35
older
49:35
sister
49:35
before
49:36
him.
49:37
And
49:37
she'll
49:37
go
49:38
places
49:38
and
49:38
joke
49:38
that
49:39
between
49:39
the
49:39
two
49:39
of
49:40
them
49:40
that
49:40
they
49:40
were
49:40
in
49:40
five
49:41
Olympics.
49:42
The
49:43
fact
49:43
that
49:43
she
49:43
was
49:43
one,
49:44
he
49:44
was
49:44
four.
49:45
But
49:45
Brian,
49:47
just
49:48
a
49:48
very
49:48
talented
49:49
skier,
49:49
one
49:49
of
49:49
the
49:50
stars
49:50
of
49:50
the
49:50
Canadian
49:51
national
49:51
team.
49:51
And
49:52
he
49:52
had
49:52
some
49:52
injury
49:53
issues
49:54
in
49:54
his
49:54
first
49:54
Olympics
49:55
in
49:55
1988
49:56
and
49:56
he
49:57
thought,
49:57
I'll
49:57
be
49:57
back
49:57
for
49:58
more.
49:59
But
49:59
in
49:59
1989,
50:00
on
50:00
January
50:01
14,
50:02
he
50:02
goes
50:02
to
50:03
a,
50:04
a
50:04
mountain
50:04
called
50:05
Mount
50:05
Honenkom
50:06
in
50:07
Austria
50:07
in
50:07
the
50:07
Kitzpule
50:08
region.
50:09
And
50:09
if
50:10
you
50:10
look
50:10
up,
50:11
if
50:11
you
50:11
go
50:11
on
50:12
to
50:12
the
50:12
Austria
50:13
tourism
50:13
site
50:14
and
50:14
you
50:14
look
50:14
up
50:14
Mount
50:15
Honenkom,
50:15
they'll
50:16
tell
50:16
you
50:16
how
50:17
devilishly
50:18
dangerous
50:18
this
50:19
mountain
50:19
is.
50:19
It's
50:20
one
50:20
of
50:20
the
50:21
steepest
50:21
gradients
50:22
of
50:22
any
50:22
mountain
50:23
in
50:23
the
50:23
world.
50:24
And
50:25
it's
50:25
a,
50:25
it's
50:26
a
50:26
mountain
50:26
that
50:26
when
50:26
you
50:27
ski
50:27
down
50:27
and
50:27
it
50:28
requires
50:28
precision
50:29
and
50:29
hairpin
50:30
turns.
50:32
And
50:32
Brian
50:32
Stemmel
50:33
happened
50:33
to
50:34
miss
50:34
a
50:34
turn,
50:35
go
50:35
tumbling
50:36
into
50:36
some
50:37
fencing
50:37
and
50:38
all
50:38
of
50:38
a
50:38
sudden,
50:38
he
50:39
goes
50:39
from
50:40
being
50:40
an
50:40
athlete
50:41
out
50:41
of
50:41
a
50:41
race
50:41
to
50:42
being
50:42
an
50:42
athlete
50:43
in
50:43
danger
50:43
of
50:43
losing
50:44
his
50:44
life.
50:46
He's
50:46
given
50:46
a
50:46
50%
50:47
chance
50:47
to
50:48
live.
50:48
He
50:48
fractured
50:49
his
50:49
pelvis.
50:50
He
50:51
required
50:51
25
50:52
blood
50:52
transfusions.
50:53
He
50:53
had
50:54
a
50:54
colostomy.
50:57
This
50:57
guy
50:57
didn't
50:58
know
50:58
for
50:58
months
51:00
whether
51:00
he
51:00
was
51:00
going
51:01
to
51:01
be
51:01
restored
51:02
to
51:02
health
51:03
after
51:04
all
51:04
that.
51:05
You
51:05
know,
51:05
I
51:05
vividly
51:06
remember
51:06
talking
51:07
to
51:07
his
51:07
sister
51:07
Karen
51:08
about.
51:09
I
51:09
said,
51:11
would
51:11
you
51:11
have
51:12
gone
51:12
back
51:12
on
51:12
skis
51:13
after
51:13
that?
51:13
I
51:14
mean,
51:14
where
51:14
you
51:14
almost
51:15
lost
51:15
your
51:16
life?
51:17
And
51:17
she
51:17
gave
51:17
me
51:17
one
51:17
of
51:18
these
51:18
on
51:18
the
51:18
zoom
51:18
screen.
51:19
She
51:19
said,
51:19
no
51:20
way.
51:20
I
51:21
never
51:21
would
51:21
have.
51:22
Brian
51:23
Stemmel
51:23
is
51:24
a
51:24
different
51:24
athlete.
51:25
We
51:25
talked
51:25
a
51:25
while
51:26
ago
51:26
about
51:26
the
51:26
DNA
51:27
of
51:27
some
51:27
of
51:27
these
51:28
elite
51:28
athletes.
51:29
And
51:29
Brian
51:29
Stemmel's
51:30
attitude
51:31
was,
51:32
I'm
51:32
not
51:32
going
51:33
to
51:33
let
51:33
this
51:33
define
51:34
me.
51:35
This
51:36
isn't
51:36
going
51:36
to
51:36
be
51:37
the
51:37
last
51:37
call
51:38
for
51:38
Brian
51:38
Stemmel.
51:39
He
51:39
comes
51:40
back
51:40
to
51:40
skiing,
51:41
he
51:41
comes
51:41
back
51:42
to
51:42
doing
51:42
it
51:42
well.
51:43
But
51:43
he
51:43
knew
51:44
that
51:44
he
51:45
needed
51:45
some
51:45
outside
51:45
help.
51:46
And
51:46
he
51:46
works
51:47
with
51:47
a
51:47
performance
51:47
psychologist,
51:49
a
51:50
very
51:50
talented
51:50
woman
51:51
named
51:51
Dana
51:51
Sinclair,
51:52
who's
51:52
written
51:53
a
51:53
series
51:53
of
51:53
books
51:54
on
51:54
her
51:54
own
51:55
and
51:55
worked
51:55
with
51:55
athletes
51:56
across
51:56
all
51:56
the
51:56
major
51:57
sports.
51:58
She
51:59
helps
51:59
him
52:00
understand
52:00
how
52:00
to
52:01
refocus
52:02
on
52:02
dealing
52:03
with
52:03
dangerous
52:04
situations.
52:05
To
52:06
the
52:06
point
52:06
where
52:06
Brian
52:07
gets
52:07
to
52:07
his
52:07
fourth
52:07
and
52:08
final
52:08
Olympics
52:09
in
52:09
Nagano,
52:10
Japan.
52:11
And
52:11
he
52:11
is
52:11
a
52:12
very
52:12
confident
52:12
athlete
52:13
at
52:13
that
52:13
point.
52:14
And
52:14
he's
52:14
always
52:15
been
52:15
a
52:15
visualizer.
52:17
And
52:17
he
52:17
sees
52:17
an
52:18
article
52:18
in
52:18
the
52:18
paper
52:19
that
52:19
says,
52:19
Nagano
52:20
Gold,
52:20
1998.
52:21
He
52:21
says,
52:21
Ah,
52:22
I'm
52:22
going
52:22
to
52:22
cut
52:23
that
52:23
out.
52:23
He
52:23
puts
52:24
it
52:24
in
52:24
his
52:24
shirt
52:24
pocket
52:25
every
52:25
day.
52:26
He
52:26
looks
52:26
at
52:26
that
52:26
article
52:27
every
52:28
night.
52:28
He
52:28
goes
52:28
to
52:29
bed,
52:29
he
52:29
said,
52:31
everything
52:31
you
52:31
can
52:32
visualize,
52:32
I
52:32
did
52:33
it.
52:34
And
52:35
by
52:35
the
52:35
way,
52:35
when
52:36
I
52:36
interviewed
52:36
this
52:36
guy,
52:37
the
52:37
emotion
52:38
that
52:38
came
52:38
out
52:38
of
52:38
him
52:39
was
52:39
almost
52:39
like,
52:40
you
52:40
know,
52:40
I
52:41
somehow
52:41
transported
52:42
him
52:42
back
52:42
to
52:43
1998.
52:44
It's
52:44
all
52:45
extremely
52:46
vivid
52:46
for
52:46
this
52:46
guy.
52:48
Brian
52:48
Stemmel
52:49
gets
52:49
to
52:49
the
52:49
downhill
52:50
race
52:51
a
52:51
third
52:52
of
52:52
the
52:52
way
52:52
there.
52:53
He's.
52:53
He's
52:53
in
52:53
gold
52:54
medal
52:54
position
52:56
2/3
52:57
of
52:57
the
52:57
way
52:57
there.
52:57
He's
52:57
in
52:58
gold
52:58
medal
52:58
position
52:59
80%
53:00
of
53:00
the
53:00
way
53:01
there.
53:01
He's
53:01
in
53:01
gold
53:01
medal
53:02
position.
53:02
He's
53:03
basically
53:03
got,
53:04
you
53:04
know,
53:04
a
53:05
gate
53:06
and
53:06
some
53:06
left,
53:07
and,
53:08
you
53:08
know,
53:08
his,
53:09
his
53:09
skis
53:10
begin
53:10
to
53:10
come
53:11
out
53:11
from
53:11
underneath
53:11
him.
53:12
He
53:12
misses
53:12
a
53:12
gate.
53:13
By
53:14
the
53:14
time
53:14
he
53:14
writes
53:15
himself,
53:15
he's
53:15
off
53:15
the
53:16
course.
53:16
We
53:16
saw
53:16
that
53:17
in
53:17
Milan,
53:17
Cortina,
53:18
with
53:18
one
53:18
of
53:18
the
53:18
metal
53:19
favorites
53:19
who
53:20
was
53:20
so
53:20
angry
53:21
he
53:21
went
53:21
off
53:21
to
53:21
the
53:21
woods.
53:22
But
53:22
Brian
53:23
Stemmel
53:24
is
53:25
so
53:25
close
53:26
to
53:26
that
53:26
gold
53:26
medal,
53:28
and
53:28
he
53:28
never
53:28
gets
53:29
there.
53:30
So
53:30
he's
53:30
a
53:30
four
53:31
time
53:31
Olympian
53:31
who
53:32
never
53:32
medaled.
53:33
And
53:33
yet
53:33
I
53:33
would
53:34
say,
53:35
you
53:35
know,
53:35
to
53:36
your
53:36
point,
53:36
the
53:36
resilience
53:37
of
53:37
that
53:37
guy,
53:38
the
53:38
perseverance
53:39
of
53:39
that
53:39
guy,
53:40
the
53:40
courage
53:40
of
53:41
that
53:41
guy
53:41
to
53:41
do
53:41
what
53:42
he
53:42
did
53:42
after
53:43
nearly
53:44
losing
53:44
his
53:44
life
53:45
on
53:45
a
53:45
mountain.
53:46
And
53:46
he
53:46
became
53:47
a
53:47
very
53:47
successful
53:48
broadcaster.
53:49
You
53:49
know,
53:50
he
53:50
and
53:50
his
53:50
and
53:50
his
53:51
wife
53:51
have
53:51
fathered
53:51
twin
53:52
girls.
53:53
His,
53:53
his
53:54
sister
53:54
calls
53:55
him
53:55
the
53:55
best
53:55
dad
53:55
in
53:55
the
53:56
world.
53:56
Brian's
53:56
had
53:57
a
53:57
great
53:57
life
53:58
and
53:58
perspective
53:59
is
53:59
everything.
54:00
He
54:00
looks
54:00
back
54:00
and
54:01
says,
54:01
yeah,
54:02
still
54:02
bugs
54:03
the
54:03
crap
54:03
out
54:03
of
54:03
me
54:03
that
54:04
I
54:04
didn't
54:04
have
54:04
that
54:04
medal,
54:05
but
54:05
I'm
54:05
pretty
54:05
lucky.
54:06
I'm
54:06
pretty
54:07
lucky.
54:07
And
54:08
so,
54:09
you
54:09
know,
54:10
again,
54:11
you
54:12
look
54:12
back
54:12
and
54:12
you
54:13
say
54:14
there's
54:14
some
54:14
pretty
54:15
amazing
54:15
things
54:15
that
54:16
that
54:16
guy
54:16
did
54:16
that,
54:17
you
54:17
know,
54:18
we
54:18
might
54:18
not
54:18
have
54:18
known
54:19
about
54:19
if
54:19
we
54:19
just
54:20
fixated
54:20
on
54:21
first,
54:21
second,
54:21
and
54:22
third
54:22
place.
54:24
Well,
54:24
your
54:24
book,
54:25
Hero
54:26
Redefined
54:27
Profiles
54:28
of
54:29
Olympic
54:29
Athletes
54:31
under
54:31
the
54:31
Radar,
54:32
talks
54:33
about
54:34
several
54:36
athletes
54:36
who
54:37
we
54:37
might
54:38
not
54:39
remember,
54:39
might
54:40
not
54:40
have
54:40
ever
54:41
heard
54:41
of,
54:41
but
54:42
their
54:42
stories
54:43
are
54:44
certainly
54:44
worth
54:45
telling
54:45
and
54:45
you
54:46
did
54:46
a
54:46
great
54:46
job
54:47
of
54:48
doing
54:48
so.
54:48
Doug,
54:49
where
54:49
can
54:49
everybody
54:50
get
54:50
a
54:50
copy
54:51
of
54:51
your
54:51
book?
54:53
Well,
54:53
if
54:54
you
54:54
Google
54:54
Hero
54:55
Redefined
54:55
Amazon
54:56
or
54:56
Barnes
54:57
and
54:57
Noble
54:58
or
54:58
Google
54:58
Goodreads
54:59
or
54:59
bookshop.org,
55:00
those
55:00
are
55:00
ones
55:01
that
55:01
work
55:01
with
55:01
the
55:01
independent
55:02
bookstores,
55:02
you'll
55:02
find
55:03
it
55:03
pretty
55:03
easily.
55:04
I
55:04
also
55:04
have
55:05
a
55:05
website,
55:05
it's
55:05
called
55:06
Author
55:06
doug
55:07
levy,
55:08
all
55:08
one
55:08
word
55:08
authordoug
55:09
levy.com
55:10
where
55:10
you
55:10
can
55:11
see
55:12
everything
55:12
about
55:12
me
55:13
and
55:13
the
55:13
book
55:13
and
55:14
I
55:14
have
55:14
blogs
55:14
that
55:15
I
55:15
write
55:15
and
55:17
so
55:17
people
55:17
can
55:17
get
55:18
a
55:18
book
55:18
by
55:18
going
55:18
on
55:19
my
55:19
website
55:19
as
55:20
well.
55:21
And
55:22
it
55:22
should
55:22
be,
55:22
you
55:22
know,
55:23
if
55:23
you
55:23
ask
55:23
for
55:23
it
55:23
in
55:23
your
55:23
local
55:24
bookstore,
55:24
you
55:24
can
55:24
get
55:25
it
55:25
that
55:25
way
55:25
too.
55:26
And
55:26
I'd
55:27
love
55:27
people
55:27
to
55:28
take
55:28
a
55:28
read.
55:29
I,
55:29
I
55:29
enjoyed
55:30
doing
55:30
it
55:30
and
55:31
fell
55:31
in
55:31
love
55:31
with
55:31
all
55:32
these
55:32
athletes.
55:33
Awesome.
55:34
It's,
55:34
it's,
55:34
it
55:35
really
55:35
is
55:36
a
55:36
terrific
55:37
book
55:37
and,
55:38
and
55:38
I'm
55:38
glad
55:39
we
55:39
connected.
55:40
Lastly,
55:40
tell
55:40
me
55:40
about
55:41
your
55:41
podcast.
55:43
Well,
55:44
in,
55:44
in,
55:45
in
55:45
promoting
55:46
my
55:46
book
55:46
and,
55:47
and
55:47
marketing
55:47
it,
55:48
one
55:48
of
55:48
the
55:48
things
55:48
I
55:48
was
55:49
told
55:49
was,
55:49
hey,
55:49
go
55:50
do
55:50
podcasts.
55:51
And
55:51
I've
55:52
gotten
55:52
the
55:52
honor
55:52
of
55:52
doing
55:53
several
55:53
and
55:53
I,
55:54
I've
55:54
loved
55:54
doing
55:55
this
55:55
one,
55:57
frankly.
55:58
In
55:58
finding
55:58
out
55:59
about
55:59
your
55:59
podcast,
56:00
Warren,
56:01
I
56:01
came
56:01
upon
56:02
the
56:02
Sports
56:02
History
56:03
Network
56:03
that
56:04
oversees
56:05
a
56:05
cluster
56:05
of
56:05
podcasts,
56:06
and,
56:07
and
56:07
the
56:07
guy
56:07
who
56:08
coordinates
56:09
all
56:09
the
56:09
work
56:09
of
56:10
the
56:10
Sports
56:10
History
56:10
Network,
56:11
Arnie
56:11
Chapman,
56:12
said
56:12
to
56:12
me
56:12
one
56:13
day,
56:13
hey,
56:13
have
56:14
you
56:14
thought
56:14
about
56:14
doing
56:15
a
56:15
podcast
56:15
and
56:16
maybe
56:16
modeling
56:17
it
56:17
on
56:17
your
56:17
book?
56:18
I
56:18
never
56:19
had.
56:19
And
56:19
I've
56:20
learned
56:20
so
56:20
much
56:20
about
56:21
the
56:21
world
56:21
of
56:21
podcasting
56:22
and,
56:23
and
56:23
I
56:23
do
56:23
now
56:24
do
56:24
one
56:24
called
56:24
under
56:25
the
56:25
Radar
56:25
Olympic
56:26
Athletes
56:26
you
56:26
Gotta
56:27
Meet.
56:27
And
56:27
it's
56:28
kind
56:28
of
56:28
a,
56:29
you
56:29
know,
56:29
similar
56:30
to
56:30
the
56:30
book
56:30
where
56:30
I
56:31
try
56:31
and
56:31
interview
56:32
these
56:32
athletes
56:33
who
56:33
might
56:34
not
56:34
be
56:34
the
56:34
headliners
56:35
but
56:35
are
56:35
pretty
56:36
darn
56:36
interesting
56:37
and
56:37
worth
56:37
getting
56:37
to
56:38
know.
56:38
Wow.
56:39
Awesome.
56:39
Well,
56:40
it's
56:40
really
56:40
good
56:41
stuff,
56:41
Doug.
56:42
Thank
56:42
you
56:42
for
56:43
joining
56:43
me
56:43
on
56:43
Sports
56:44
Forgotten
56:44
Heroes.
56:45
I
56:45
encourage
56:46
everyone
56:46
to
56:47
get
56:47
a
56:47
copy
56:48
of
56:48
Hero
56:48
Redefined
56:49
and
56:50
to
56:50
also
56:50
listen
56:51
to
56:51
Doug's
56:52
podcast.
56:53
And
56:53
Doug,
56:54
anytime
56:54
you
56:55
want
56:55
to
56:55
come
56:55
back
56:55
just
56:55
a
56:56
week.
56:56
Thanks
56:57
so
56:57
much,
56:57
Warren.
56:58
It's
56:58
been
56:58
a
56:58
pleasure.
56:59
There
57:00
are
57:00
so
57:00
many
57:00
Olympians
57:01
with
57:02
stories
57:02
of
57:02
heroism
57:03
and,
57:03
of
57:03
course,
57:03
disappointment.
57:05
The
57:05
list
57:06
is
57:06
huge
57:07
and
57:07
Doug
57:08
is
57:08
a
57:08
terrific
57:09
resource
57:09
when
57:10
it
57:10
comes
57:10
to
57:11
to
57:11
learning
57:12
who
57:12
these
57:12
unique
57:13
individuals
57:14
are
57:15
and
57:15
what
57:16
drives
57:16
them.
57:17
Give
57:17
Doug's
57:18
podcast
57:18
Under
57:19
the
57:19
Radar
57:19
Olympic
57:20
Athletes
57:20
yous
57:20
Gotta
57:21
Meet
57:21
a
57:21
listen
57:22
and
57:22
check
57:23
out
57:23
his
57:23
book,
57:23
Hero
57:24
Redefined
57:24
Profiles
57:25
of
57:26
Olympic
57:26
Athletes
57:27
under
57:27
the
57:27
Radar.
57:28
Thanks
57:29
again
57:29
to
57:29
Doug
57:30
for
57:30
joining
57:30
on
57:30
today's
57:31
episode,
57:32
and
57:32
thanks
57:32
to
57:32
all
57:33
of
57:33
you
57:33
for
57:33
tuning
57:33
in.
57:34
And
57:34
I'll
57:34
see
57:34
you
57:35
next
57:35
time
57:35
on
57:35
Sports
57:36
Forgotten
57:37
Heels.