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106. [Wisconsin] Barbara Kendhammer · Bless This Mess: A Southern True Crime Podcast

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Everyone looking to bless this mess. On the Drue Grump podcast, I'm Carrie.
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It was Stu say hey, Stu, Hey, all right, stud
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has an attitude already. Yes, I did whatever. That's because he's always
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screwing around. I'm like, let's go, let's go, we're here,
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let's do this, and he's just always something else. I gotta take a
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drink. I gotta do this, I gotta do that. No, you
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were playing on your phone. I wasn't playing on my phone. Stewart.
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You were playing on your phone. You were just playing on your phone,
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and you showed me you were playing on your phone. Yes, I did,
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okay, but that's because you were screwing around doing god okay. Anyways,
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No, I wasn't. I'm doing stuff on the computer for the podcast.
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That's what I'm doing. Anyways, moving on, Sorry we missed last
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week. We had about of illness come through and I got the brunt of
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it, like our toddler had RSV but she was fine. You're all week.
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No, you're usually sick all the time. Usually the one that gets
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sick. I have some sort of I don't know what it is, but
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I can't get over, like if I get a virus that affects my sinuses.
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It always turns into a like needing an antibiotic situation. I never get
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any better. It just keeps getting worse. And it happens like usually like
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twice a year. So anyways, so I didn't get any better. I
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eventually had to just go to the doctor and get an antibiotic after like ten
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days of being miserable. But everybody seems to be better now. I'm still
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recovering though, like I'm still there's still problems, but we're we're on the
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making, thank you. Anyways, So this week is a little bit different
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because I was working on a series of episodes where they were like I don't
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know if you remember, a long time ago, we did like bless this
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Mess road trip and so we went out of the South and we went to
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another I think we did one in Massachusetts or something like that. Yes,
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So I was working on something like that, and I I wasn't planning on
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recording these yet, but because of the illness, I've had to pull one
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from one that I wrote and this, and so they are a little bit
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shorter episodes anyways, but we're going to Wisconsin's too. We're not paying the
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South. I know if you want to shut this podcast off right now because
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we've broken the rules. But it wasn't like a series we were going to
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start drawing South Wisconsin. I don't. It's south of Milwaukee, Milwaukee,
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which is actually pronounced Milwaukee, which is out Gonquin for the good Land according
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to Alice Cooper. Anyway, oh, from Wayne's World. Okay, so
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Stu's been dying to say that. I have not. I say it all
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the time anybody says anything about Milwaukee. Okay, we don't really talk about
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Milwaukee that often. It doesn't come up in conversation. It does not because
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we don't drink Milwaukee beer. Is that a beer? We don't drink that.
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So I don't use the power tools. I get the d Waltz,
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not the mellowak. Okay, so well, Milwaukee doesn't really come up in
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casual conversation for us very often. So anyways, so we're going to Wisconsin
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this week, so may we can give people that aren't from this out the
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hard time too. Oh gies that do terrible things to people. So kind
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of a funny looking fella. You know that's gonna get old real fast,
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though. Oh geezes, my northern My stepdad's from Minnesota, so I know
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all these things. Yeah, okay, anyways, I'd like to go to
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Wisconsin someday. Looks like a nice place get some cheese. Probably not in
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the winter time. I don't think I can handle it. Probably not.
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But anyways, with that, uh, check out the Instagram the Facebook.
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If you check out Instagram, you can see these awesome hocus pocus cookies I
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made. I did so good. I'm so proud myself. You didn't make
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the cookies. Cookies were already made. No, the cookies, are you
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kidding me? You just painted them pain? He's so, He's so annoying.
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This was like ended up being like a five hour class. I didn't
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realize it was like I thought when they scheduled that much time for the class,
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I was like, oh, this is not gonna take that long.
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I was like, I'll be home early. This is probably for like cause
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you can go with like friends and stuff like that. But you know,
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I don't have any. So I went by myself, and I was thinking
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I was the only one there by myself. There was another girl next to
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me, though there was other sad people there. There was another there's a
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girl next to me named Mandy, and she was there by herself too,
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So that's your new friend. Yeah, that's my new friend. So she
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had a hocus Pokes shirt on too, so yeah and she worked. Yeah.
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Yeah, well anyways, I talked to her some. But no,
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I wasn't the only one there by myself. There's lots of people there by
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themselves, and there were groups of people. But I was like, oh,
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it's for like they just need the five hours because people are gonna be
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like drinking wine and chit chat and stuff. No, it takes a really
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anytime. Now I've learned how much work is put into sugar cookies. So
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yes, the cookies were baked before I got the Obviously I couldn't bake them.
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There is a class where you learn how to bake the sugar creeky stuff.
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But I decorated them like one hundred percent from scratch and I thought they
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turned out really well. But moving on from that because Doo doesn't care.
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But don't sit there and say I didn't I didn't make those cookies. I
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didn't bake the actual cookies, obviously, Stuart. I decorated them from the
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start. I even posted pictures on Instagram to approve it, Stewart, So
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you didn't decorate them from the land Stewart, shut up. Oh my god,
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you're so annoying. Anyways, So check out Instagram, Facebook. We
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got our Patreon. You can see that in the show notes for early access
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and ad free and yeah, check that out. So I guess we'll go
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ahead and get into this week's case out of Wisconsin. We're going on a
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road trip that's not gonna get old at all. So Barbara Carol Kinhammer Nay
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Adams was born on March fourth, nineteen seventy. At the young age of
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sixteen, Barbara, who went by Barb, met Todd Kinhammer. I want
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to pronounce it kenden Hammer, but it's Kintammer. Anyways. They would remain
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friends until nineteen eighty nine, when they began dating. In August nineteen ninety
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one, they would tie the knot and begin their life together. Now shortly
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after their marriage, they would have two kids, Jordan and Jessica. Now
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throughout their marriage they were described as happy and Todd doated on Barb Barb.
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I was gonna say, Barbara, Barb, Babs. The kids don't recall
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them fighting much, and their dad was smitten with their mom and he would
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pretty much give her whatever she wanted. He just seemed very much in love
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with Barb. Now, Barb would work in a school cafeteria, while Todd
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worked at a manufacturing company making aluminum cans or aluminium if you're from England stood
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the other side of the pond. Yeah, they say that in Australia took
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They also began flipping houses to make extra money. Now Todd also had a
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side gig of replacing wind shields on his vehicles. So they're like the they're
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the they're back in the hustle days, you know, like where everybody's got
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Like I feel like nowadays everybody has like three or four different ways that they
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make income or whatever. They were like that back then. Now, by
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the time the children were grown, they were doing very well financially and on
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all accounts, seemed very happy. On the morning of September sixteenth, twenty
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sixteen, Todd and Barb headed out the door. They were headed to a
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neighbor's house who they were house sitting for, at around seven forty five am.
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The next stop that morning was supposed to be the school where Barb worked,
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which was West Salem Middle School. Todd was going to drop Barb off,
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then continue to run some errands, and then pick her up afterwards.
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However, Kara, yeah, this would all come to a tragic halt.
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While driving north on Highway M north of Highway M. I don't know what
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that means. Who has a Highway M whitening and number up there? I
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don't know. S. There's lots of streets that just have letters it says
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highway Highway M. I don't know what they're doing up in wiscats and Okay,
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well I don't either, Stem highways. I don't know. They probably
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think a lot of stuff we do is really dumb. Okay, Anyway,
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while they're driving on this highway, which is actually in the opposite direction of
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the school where Bob worked, Barb Barb Bob. I said Barbie, No,
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you said Bob No? You thought I said Bob bye, Babs.
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Babs, Todd crashed his sedan with Barb in the passenger seat at eight o
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five am. Todd calls nine on one and reports the accident. He tells
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the operator that Barb looks like she has been hitting the head or throat or
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something, and that she is badly injured. Now, police and medics arrive
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on scene and begin questioning Todd. While rendering aid to Barb. Todd tells
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police that a pipe came from a truck or a trailer and struck Barb.
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You know during this, oh geez came off the truck and go through the
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window. He told police that he thought the pipe was a bird, but
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realized later it was not. So things are looking sketched, or maybe he's
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just confused during the accident. We don't know. We don't know. I
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mean, it's perfectly feasible that a bird could go through like a pipe,
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look like a pipe going through a car windshield. Now, he was taken
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to the hospital where Barb was being treated, still being questioned by police.
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Now that afternoon, with her children and husband Todd by her side, Barb
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was pronounced brain dead. She was removed from life support and then pronounced that
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she had passed. Now police photographed Todd and he had blood all over his
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shirt, which said I don't give a with a picture of a rat and
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a donkey on it, so I don't give a rat's ass. He had
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busted up knuckles. You never go out the house like that. You could
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I mean, I'm STU always tells me. I can't believe. I'll be
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like, oh, I'm running up to get a coffee and I'm like I'm
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not getting out of the car, It's fine, and he's just like looking
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at me like your serioususe like that. This is why you don't leave the
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house like that, because anything can happen. The next thing you know,
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you're on the news with I don't give a rat's ass shirt on looking looking
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rough, looking like you were going to the Dollar General, yes, or
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the Walmart and you actually had to go to the Target and go in h
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very different different places that you dress forced to. Yes, I would never
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go to the Target. I don't even oh there's yeah, there's definitely Dollar
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General dress you would dress nice, would dress nicer, go to Walmart and
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then the nicest to go to Target. Wow? What? I can't believe
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you have rating system for word? Everybody does. I'm not the only one
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I know. You just dressed to be like go anywhere? Yes, whatever?
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What are two different peoples do? Yes? We are now Old Todd
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had some busted up knuckles and scratches on his hand, and he said the
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bloody knuckles came from hitting the windshield when he thought something was coming at the
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car, which is a weird thing to be punching a windshield. I did
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not punch my windshield when I got in my car, right, Why would
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you punch a windshield if you thought a bird was coming? That's stick your
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hands punched the bird from coming. I don't know, very very weird.
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What are you trying to say about Todd. I don't know, Stu.
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Now. He also had scratches on his chest as well as on his neck,
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and he said those were from working with class. When describing the vehicle
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that the pipe came off of, it was a pickup truck with a flat
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bed on the back. He did not get the color. He said it
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was traveling in the opposite direction of them. Now, police were able to
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pull footage from a nearby farm that showed a short clip of Todd and Barbara
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driving north at seven point fifty seven. No other truck was seen passing by
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in the opposite direction, so Todd did not expect a camera. I'm guessing
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at a farm. No local police put out the truck's information for the community
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to be on the lookout, which is like a bolo carry. Yes,
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the Lingo report if it was seen, they would like to ask the owner
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a few questions about that day to confirm Todd's story. Yeah, because you
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know, they're like, maybe we just didn't catch the angle with the flatbed
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truck everything like that. We need to just look more into this. Things
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are looking weird. And whenever he said he worked, he got the scratch
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from working with a glass room ember. He was changing out those windshields as
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a side business. I didn't know there was a lot of like, yeah,
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I take the broken ones own. I guess why are you scratching your
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neck with the broken glass if you carry it on your should Why would you
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carry broken glass on your shoulder so you'd have an alibi in case you were
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doing something the farius. I don't know. Now there were other problems with
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Todd's story and Barb's actions that day. Barb was not wanted to be late
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for work, and she had never been late. However, that day she
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was scheduled to be at work at eight a m. But she never called
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and let never let anybody know she would be late. So I mean,
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that's just out of character for her. And like I said, they saw
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them driving at seven fifty seven, and they were not They were going to
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the opposite direction of the school. She was obviously going to be late.
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She also did not call her mother, which she did on a daily basis
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every morning. There was also still confusion as to why they would drive away
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from the school, making Barb blake now. Tod told investigators on the way
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to the hospital, which was recorded, that he decided to go buy a
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friend's home his name was Justin him and pick up his truck that needed the
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wind child replace. The keys were left in the vehicle, and Todd never
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called and told Justin. He just decided on a whim he was going to
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go do this. So he had talked, made these he'd said he made
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these plans with Justin. Justin said, hey, I'll leave the keys in
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the car. But Todd just decided suddenly when he was gonna go take Barb
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to work that morning, He's just gonna run by and go get that truck.
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Real guilty. I got to pick it up and change the windshill without
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ever talking to Justin. Be cause they said, did you talk to Justin?
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And He's like, no, I didn't talk to him. I was
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just going to try to do it that I'm just houseling money. Yep,
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he just trying to make the bring down the bacon, trying to make ends
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meet. Now, meanwhile, Barb was at the Medical Examiner's office or the
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emme, if you would, if you will their care. Are we going
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to do this the whole time? We might? Doctor Kathleen, Oh goodness,
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mccobn. Mccobin reminds me of McLevin was confused when she initially examined Barb.
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The damage done to Barb and her ultimate cause of death did not appear
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to happen from a pipe coming through the windshield. Barb had three lacerations on
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the back of her neck, as well as skull fractures and fractures in the
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neck consistent with strangulation. Barb also had bruising all over her body, a
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broken nose, laceration on her forehead, and scratches all over, which seemed
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to indicate a struggle or attack of some sort, according to doctor McCubbin.
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Doctor mccubn examined the pipe and found the injury to be inconsistent with Todd's story
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of what happened. Yeah, so, I mean, I guess if you
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had a if you had a pipe, which these things happen. Things fall
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for trucks and actually go through people's windshields and hurt them. If a pipe
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came through, it would have just been I would think damage to the face.
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You wouldn't be having lacerations other places on the body and things like that.
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So now you got to take that car off the road wreck and jostle
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Yeah, the occupants around again. I guess if you crashed after it went
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to the windshield, yes, But either way, she looked at it.
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I believe she looked at it from all angles and it just wasn't matching up,
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saying it looks suspicious. It looks suspicious according to doctor mccup Doctor mccuppy.
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What about doctor mclovin, I don't know that's a doctor mclovin. What's
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that from mclovin. I don't I can't remember the Much American Pie, no
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super Bad or something. Oh well, I think doctor mclovin was from Gray's
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Anatomy. I thought, I don't know anything. Oh no, that was
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doctor McDreamy and doctor McSteamy. Okay, now please put the you know I
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watched I I did watch Gray's Anatomy, but I only watched it the first
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couple of seasons. Whenever that girl died, Catherine Heigl maybe when her character
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died and then she like reappeared as like a ghost. I was like,
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Okay, you guys have lost me. I thought this was like a medical
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procedure. But anyways, now please put the word out that they are seeking
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information about the wreck. A construction worker came forward, saying at eight am,
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about five minutes before the nine one one call, he passed the vehicle.
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He said that during that time when he passed it, the car was
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not damaged at all. There was nothing wrong with the windshield, and he
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did not see anyone around the vehicle like you would notice, like I would
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notice if I was driving along and I saw a car on the side of
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the road and I didn't see any damage to it, I wouldn't really think
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much of it. But if I saw a car and I saw a giant
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and be like, oh shit, someone had a wreck. This looks bad
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or whatever exactly, and and I would note that, and you know,
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I would remember that and think, why isn't anybody out here? Why,
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you know, the car should be being told off, should be ambulances,
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things like that now, So he just assumed someone had accidentally driven off the
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road, not wrecked because it didn't look like it had been wrecked, but
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was fine, and left the vehicle to later come back to pick it up
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like it had broken down or something like something normal had happened, not an
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actual accident. Now, police track down or Justin him, himI, who
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is the friend with the busted windshield and the reason that they were supposedly driving
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down Highway seven which we earlier referred to as Highway M. And I had
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questions. I wrote this a long time ago. I don't know. Okay,
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maybe it's Highway seven Hway M. I'm guessing. Okay, Well you
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continue on. I'll verify if it's Highway M or Highway seven, because our
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odds are there'll be some listener that's from West Salem, Wisconsin to be like
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it's Highway seven or idiots. Now, Justin tells police that he had no
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plans with Todd to fix a broken windshield. He said, in fact,
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he did not even have a vehicle with a broken windshield. Now, with
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this information, please bring Todd to the station under the guise of having some
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leads on the truck that the pipe had come off of. Now Todd is
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acting nervous as all get out or is written as fuck? I just I
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think I wanted to whenever I wrote this, like I said I did wrote
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this long time ago. I think I wanted to when I said Todd is
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sure, Todd is nervous as fuck. I want to every understand like he's
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he's just visibly yeah, visibly like looks like he's on some sort of or
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coming down from something and he needs another fix, like he's on another level.
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Yeah. So he's bouncing his leg up and down a mile a minute.
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He's wearing a shirt that says ADHD like ac DC, and it either
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says on the shirt for those about to oh a rock or highway to look
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a squirrel. He is also holding I think it's got to be those about
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two What did I say? The first one was for those about to ooh
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a rock. Oh. I was trying to figure out what if it said.
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I was trying to read the shirt. Yeah, why did I say
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it? Those are very different phrases. Maybe I looked up this shirt online
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because I couldn't tell what it said, and that's what I found. The
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two came back after Yes, the two options for these about to Rock or
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Highway to Hell were the two songs for those about to Ooh a Rock,
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like like ADHD like Ooh a Rock for those who like rock, and then
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the other one is like Highway to look a squirrel. You know? Okay,
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yeah, I read that. Now. He's also holding a prescription pill
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bottle. He tells police that his anxiety has not that he's anxious because he
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has not taken his meds that day. The police say, well, okay,
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then take it, so he begins. He takes it. He begins
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to kind of ramble, not remembering what he stated before they can confront him
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with the medical examiner's findings, and he has no explanation. They then tell
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him that his friend justin never needed is when child replaced, So he changes
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his story and gives the police another name. Please go check that out come
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on and that guy also said he did not need a win child replaced.
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Now, Todd has no reason for driving in the direction that he was when
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the supposed alleged accident occurred. I think I looked up. I think it
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might be Highway seven. There's a county road m in a Highway seven.
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So I'm not sure where I got that from. So I'm gonna we'll find
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out somebody from West Salem Middle School at the time. No, West Salem
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Middle School. Well, I'm sure there are adults by now, and they're
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listening to this podcast. The whole town, probably the whole town listens to
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this specific party, this specific Okay. Now. Todd was arrested three months
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later, and we'll go on trial in December of twenty seventeen. The main
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witness for the prosecution was the medical examiner. I was just gonna say,
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Todd is so stupid, like he he really didn't think there were being any
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questioned about this accident, like an accident I used the bunny ear. So
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he's just coming up with these names, these people, and he just keeps
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coming up with more, and they're like, no, I mean he didn't
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even I would have cared. Don't if you're gonna lie about why you were
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going in direction, don't actually provide a person's name that you don't have any
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actual plans. Yeah, that doesn't has no clue. They're like, I
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don't even know Todd that well, Todd, who Todd? Who's Todd?
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Like come up with something that doesn't have an actual thing you can confirm like
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that. They just have to go, or she wanted to go like apple
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picking. I don't know, I get a coffee. I don't know.
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Yeah, anything, Okay. So so they brought got the medical examiner on
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and upon cross examination, the defense did their best to explain all of Barbe's
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injuries, asking that medical examiner if her large cup of water could have caused
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that. So you girls will carrying those big water cups back when it looked
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like a five gallon bucket with a handle, is that those Well, now
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I've turned into a basic bitch. I've bought onto I didn't get a Stanley
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because I didn't. I got it like something called a a simply modern,
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but because it has like it's black and it's like leopard, and it's very
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I don't know what you mean with this, You've turned into one because all
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the basic bitches bitch Okay, I know, but I'm taking up to another
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level. So all the all the girlies on the on the GRAM have the
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Stanley cups that they walk around with and everything. And I do have a
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cup a water cup I've been using I got from Walmart. It doesn't have
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a handle and it's not as big and it doesn't keep his stuff as cold.
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But I love that cup. I'd found it when I was pregnant the
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first time, and it's been my cup. I have like four of them
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as backups in case something happens, like I need this cup. But I
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ventured out and I got me a new cup with the handle like all the
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the girls on Instagram have. And I've gotta say I like it. It's
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massive, though it could do some damage. I could knock Steo out.
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It's great. Say a pipe came through the window or something. So they
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try to say it was this giant water bottle. I don't think it was
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like a Stanley cup back then. It was more like those Iglue Big had.
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Yeah, he's in twenty sixteen, I guess didn't I Yeady's been around
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for a while. Yeah, but those were super expensive. They're still expensive,
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or they were probably more expensive back then. I think she had the
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big iglu type one you get from Walmart. Be nice if somebody research I
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did research it too, anyways, so they I don't even remember what we
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were talking about, so they should They said that the cup could have caused
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some of the injuries or if the long pipe could have hit her from a
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different from different angles. It gets in there like a cartoon. It's just
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like Saxmax Mac, like the JFK Magic bullet. Yeah, I guess so,
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I don't know anyways, So I just whenever they said that, I
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just imagine like a cartoon where it's like the inanimate object comes to life and
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beats up somebody. So, however, they completely glazed over the whole all
24:19
the evidence pointing to strangulation. Now, both the defense and prosecution brought in
24:25
glass experts. The defense argued that the three brakes were consistent with Todd punching
24:30
the inside the window, a pipe entering from the front, and another break
24:33
from Tod where Todd removed the pipe. Again, why are you punching the
24:38
inside of the window because you think a bird is coming at you? Now,
24:44
the prosecution says that there were actually two places where the pipe struck from
24:48
the outside, which would have been impossible without someone striking it. Now,
24:52
pipe doesn't come off of a truck, hit the windshield and then go back
24:55
in. So there was two they said, that's like not what happened,
24:59
the two marks or the Todd hitting the windshield and then hitting again to get
25:03
the pipe to go through after he killed her, and he's trying to stage
25:07
this pipe, and they're saying for this to happen, the pipe would have
25:11
had to the way it's broken, would have had to hit, bounce off,
25:15
bounce back, and then catapult back into the car. So that which
25:18
is completely not if the defense says it's possible, it's obviously possible. Okay,
25:25
well no, no, it could have hit the car in front of
25:27
it. Because you've lost me when you said that Todd punched the inside of
25:30
the windshield. Why would he do that? That's so stupid. Nobody does
25:33
that Todd obviously, hey said he does. You gotta take Todd at face
25:38
value, don't you? Were you there? No? So anyway, Todd
25:45
was brought to the stand, and this is when you know they're desperate.
25:48
If you got your client testify, especially Todd. I mean, god,
25:53
Todd's an idiot. Have you seen his his interview table? Look at that
25:59
he wears like right there. I'd be like, no, you're not allowed
26:00
to go on. You had the one about I don't give a rat's ass
26:03
and the character shirts with like the ADHD thing. I mean, these are
26:07
things that fourteen year olds wear. Yeah, grown man, you can wear
26:11
them as a grown man, but just don't wear them to your place interviews.
26:15
You're not allowed to wear those. I'm gonna go ahead and get he
26:18
doesn't owe any shirts like that, and I would divorce him if he did.
26:22
I'm gonna get, Oh, I got a couple. You don't have
26:25
any shirts that say stupid sayings like oh yeah, I got that that one
26:29
that says says what I can't remember a sphincter says, what is that Wayninge's
26:37
world? Yes, so yeah, I brought it all back full circle.
26:44
Okay, we'll just we'll think about your shirts later. I got a couple
26:48
I have some. Okay, Well, I don't ever go out in public
26:51
with you with those shirts or in the house with those shirts. Yeah,
26:57
yeah, I do wear them. I got pictures of this way anyway.
27:03
He continues on the stand to say that he does not well. Start off,
27:07
Todd says he wasn't in his right mind during the police interview where he
27:11
appeared frantic. That's his first excuse. He continues on the stand to say
27:18
he does not recall basically anything he told the police when questioned, and the
27:22
final nail in the coffin with his testimony was changing his story yet again after
27:29
the previous two stories did not jive up on why he was on the Highway
27:34
seven to begin with, might have been on Highway seven MN. Now Todd
27:42
told the jury that he was headed to the house of Jared Logan. Is
27:48
that the brother of Kenny login no footloose? Well, Jerald got on the
27:56
stand, Jared Jared got on a stand and said he had no plans with
28:00
Todd, which is another lie from Todd. Todd, you were so front
28:03
the jury, at least pick a best friend that's gonna lie for you.
28:10
I mean, I've got Mandy from the cookie place. Now that maybe she
28:18
lonely as No, she had children. She looked like she had. She
28:22
had one of her kids, was about to graduate high school. No,
28:26
I started late on the children front, guys. So with geriatric yeah,
28:32
I mean a lot of people I went to high school with their kids are
28:33
like on the cusp of graduation and I'm I'm geriatric pregnancy. So now there
28:40
are holes in the theory. Though it was a very small timeframe for staging
28:42
this crime, So like there's holes in the prosecution's theory. You know,
28:48
from the time the construction worker saw the car at eight and the nine one
28:52
one call it eight oh five, Todd would have only about five minutes to
28:56
put Barb in the car, slam the pipe through, and start CPR.
29:00
Now, despite this, the jury found Todd guilty after just nine hours,
29:03
and Todd was sentenced to life, with eligibility for parole after thirty years.
29:07
So it would have been quick. But if he'd already my theory is like
29:11
maybe he'd already killed Barb, killed her before they got in the car,
29:15
and beat up his truck. Yeah, I could have done that, and
29:18
then it would have only taken five minutes to throw a pipe th thing and
29:22
and start CPR. Like you can do a lot in five minutes. I
29:25
mean, yeah, got two kids. This sick. Oh my god.
29:33
Okay, so we probably upset the children because they're completely on their dad's side.
29:37
The daughter said that her dad could have killed her mom with one of
29:41
the twenty eight guns in the basement. He did not need to stage it,
29:45
yes, because because that's not obvious, because he was going to go
29:51
because you're just gonna go shoot her in the house and just say he need
29:53
to stage it. What are they talking about is trying to get away with
29:56
it? You can't shoot her? Yeah, to get away. Yeah,
30:00
we're not saying that. Todd just going to go shoot her because he once
30:03
here dead and that was it. If oh, if I wanted to kill
30:03
her or just shoot her, okay, well you'd still have to cover that
30:07
up somehow. So this was his plan. Now the son, he starts
30:11
saying that he has more guns than that. Starts like these two are interviewing
30:15
together. So the girl's like, he has twenty eight guns. If he
30:18
wanted to kill her, would have killed her with one of those guns.
30:21
And the sounds like he's got more guns than that, he could just barbally
30:25
each one. So the kids end up they sell the Kinhammer farm and Jessica's
30:30
home to pay Todd's legal bills. So they're just going in. I mean,
30:33
Dave Ramsey would be very upset about this. I'd be very upset about
30:37
that. Yeah, how are you going to sell off your own home inheritance
30:41
and your I mean, I don't know if he had Todd had any claim
30:44
to the I guess it is his property. They could have sold well,
30:47
it still would have been Barb's property. I mean it would have been passed
30:49
on to the kids, so he might have still had control to sell it
30:52
to pay his life. I don't know how that works when you go to
30:56
jail. I'm not even sure how it works. On was cats and he
30:57
of the h what on that in Wisconsin? I didn't even know what you
31:03
said because you said it' so weird wisc. Now the prosecutor even told them
31:06
at the cenacine they needed to get their heads out of their asses. Basically,
31:11
does the kids come on, They're like, my dad's didn't do this,
31:15
Like it's quite obvious that Todd did this. Okay, it's pretty obvious.
31:19
Then they so they're telling them that the prosecutors like, you guys are,
31:26
yeah, living a fantasy land that you think your dad didn't news and
31:29
now you've gone into debt and sold your home and done all this stuff to
31:33
try to stand up for this guy who killed your mom. Like it was
31:36
very strange thing. But they're if they're listening to this, they're going to
31:38
really hate this podcast because we think your dad did it. So, I
31:42
mean, I'm not I'm on the fence. You're on the fence, Okay,
31:45
I'm kind of on the pipe, who doesn't want to get in trouble?
31:48
Not with the kids, No, not with the kids. Jordan and
31:52
Jessica. Are those not the most quintessential, like nineties names for kids,
31:56
Jordan and Jessica. I don't know, are they? I think they it's
32:00
like that, uh, that movie Hercules and he's like when all the girls
32:06
were named Justin and all the girls were named Brittany. What movie were you
32:10
talking about? Hercules? What Hercules the cartoon? I didn't see that one.
32:16
Herculees who put the glad and gladiator Hercules? No? I did not
32:22
see that one. Is he sweet? Our favorite flavor? Heracues? Come
32:27
on, okay, I'll stop seeing. I may have seen it. I
32:29
don't know. Just finish up year and that's how you know that. Neither
32:31
one of us sing the intro to this podcast. For those that keep asking
32:37
if we're the ones saying we're not, We're not now. In twenty twenty
32:40
one, defense attorneys were able to get Todd's case back in front of a
32:45
judge. What are these people working? A miracle? They were arguing for
32:49
a new trial, and they sold the farm in the house to get paid
32:52
for all that. I guess. They were arguing for a new trial,
32:54
saying his original defense attorney did not do their job. They obviously did because
32:59
he's not a death row. They brought in experts saying the car toid fracture
33:06
on the neck was due to the large water jug in the car coming up,
33:10
and that the pipe could have caused the lesions on the back of the
33:14
neck. How could the pipe cause the lesions on the back of the neck
33:17
unless it went through the window, hit the back of the cab, and
33:21
then hit her in the back of the head up. I mean, those
33:24
things are killers. I tell you not to have one in the car.
33:27
They scare me. They also brought forward a test the prosecution had done back
33:34
in twenty seventeen where they dropped a pipe off a flatbed truck to see how
33:38
it would bounce. On a few tests that appeared to come up high enough
33:42
to go into a windshield. Another expert was brought in saying that Todd could
33:46
have suffered memory loss due to the car craw trying everything, we're trying,
33:51
We're trying amnesia, all of it. Well, it all worked tides out
33:55
on No Todd's n oh wait, none of this worked in may have.
34:00
Twenty twenty two, a judge denied the request for a new trial, which
34:05
they obviously planned to appeal, because Todd's trying to get the f out of
34:08
jail, even though I can't even believe he's eligible for pearl Well. I
34:15
think they're a little bit leaner up theres too, I mean down here next
34:19
door in Texas than some bitch beyond death row right now. I don't think
34:22
he'd be on death row. You don't think, No, they don't have
34:24
a first degree murder like that. Try No one's gonna put They're not wouldn't
34:28
try to go for death row. And this, this isn't like you could.
34:30
No one's gonna No one's gonna find him guilty because this, there could
34:35
be reasons to talk yourself out of this. It's not like he went and
34:37
shot him with the one of the twenty eight or more guns that he has
34:42
in his home. This is more in a paris. He beat her professionally
34:45
about the lips and face stage the accident. He was playing this. They
34:50
never really talked about the I'm surprised Todd is not that that bright. I'm
34:53
surprised I didn't find notebooks detail and all this that he die, Like,
34:59
how do the kids describe? Explain why he lied three times about who he
35:02
was going to see that day? Like, I don't, I don't understand.
35:05
I don't understand the kids. I guess I just maybe I don't.
35:08
I don't like my dad that much, so maybe I'm just like whatever,
35:12
Damn, Stuart, why you say damn? Like that? Fine? Then
35:19
I think my dad's great. He's just a great guy. So anyways,
35:23
we'll cut that out, Stue. No, I don't care what you do,
35:28
not my dad, I know, all right, So that's our case.
35:32
Again. It was a short one, but we were trying to like
35:36
we're just in a We're we told you guys, we're moving. There's a
35:38
lot of things going on. I'm still I'm having to travel more for work
35:42
right now because I have to go back and forth from where we're moving to
35:45
to hear and then we got I'm still trying to like do all the things
35:49
with the the fall stuff with the kids and everything is just a lot because
35:52
I don't want him to miss out on all that stuff just because we're moving.
35:55
And I liked all that stuff too, And then I don't already planned
36:00
the hocus Pocus cookie class, so I had to go do that, so
36:04
I'm going to cancel that. Well when this festival. Yeah, but we're
36:08
going some stuff next weekend, so yes, I got it. Next weekend's
36:13
all booked up. And then let this past. Yesterday I cooked my brunch
36:16
with Babs october Fest meal which was really good, made beer cheese, German
36:22
potato salad, rots, and then a German cheesecake. I'm sure the content
36:28
will be up before this podcast is. I didn't really record it, so
36:31
I know I failed. I'm really bad about that kind of stuff. I
36:36
mean, it takes me a lot to remember to put anything together. Are
36:38
these Instagram people? I don't know how they do it whenever they it's not
36:42
their full time job. So anyways, all right, Stu, do you
36:45
have a yelling Jesus? Of course I do. Okay, well he doesn't,
36:47
but we'll be right back with that. Oh I got one. I
36:50
just don't know where it's at. Okay, Well then that means you don't
36:52
have it, so I'll be right back with it in my pocket somewhere,
36:54
okay, in your phone? Yeah, yeah, it's not printed out in
36:58
front of us like my stuff is. Yeah, it's a waste of paper.
37:00
I just read it off my phone. I saved the Lincoln, then
37:02
I read it off the phone. Okay, anyways, we'll be right.
37:05
Come on now, all right, coming to us. From October fifth of
37:09
this year, we have escaped smuggled rat and otter terrorized passengers on flight to
37:17
Taiwan. I'm guessing not Florida, not Florida. A plane from Bangkok to
37:25
Taiwan took a wild turn when a rat and an otter smuggled aboard by a
37:30
passenger got loose in the main cabin mid flight. I'd be so upset.
37:36
How do you smuggle an otter? I don't know how you get any Well,
37:40
there's more. I was confused. Well, this guy is a passenger
37:45
who is quoted as saying I was confused. So he said again, pet
37:50
rat, Pet rat. It has a white body and it's not small,
37:53
one passenger told Viral Press. The Wednesday flight aboard a low cast to be
38:00
it Jet air flight erupted into panic as the air hostess freaked out upon noticing
38:06
that passengers what passengers described as an albino rat and a nearly one foot long
38:12
otter scurrying around on the floor. How do you get this through security?
38:19
I'm guessing securities a little more lax going from Bangkok to Taiwan low budget airline,
38:23
they said. A subsequent police search of the vessel also located a box
38:30
containing twenty eight laf turtles, a snake, one marrimot, two otters,
38:37
and two other rodents of unknown species among the luggage upon landing in Taipei.
38:43
How do you have an unknown species? I guess they They just said there
38:47
was a thing and another animal, so at press time they didn't know what
38:52
it was. Police have focused their investigation on one female passenger, who allegedly
38:59
smuggled the creatures through security at the Suvabrumi Okay International Airport in Thailand. The
39:07
woman faces a penalty of up to thirty one thousand dollars as outlined in the
39:12
Prevention and Control of Animal Infectious Disease Statute. I don't understand the otter thing,
39:20
I guess. I guess they are out and about on the ground,
39:22
but I thought they needed I guess they just like water. Yeah, they
39:27
like this swim and everything. They live on land or in their beavers live
39:32
in the dam. Beavers, I told the cabin crew and they checked the
39:37
plane. The passenger explained, that's when they found the big otter under one
39:42
of the seats. They kept looking for a white rat. How did you
39:44
get this on the plane? I don't understand it. I don't know.
39:46
No, I don't know. Even in a third world country, I don't
39:49
know how you get through security. Animal world isn't Taiwan. Where were they
39:54
coming from? Taiwan? The bangkak okay one of these a third world countries.
40:01
Thailand is not first world okay, but it's not. I don't think
40:07
they're at this level now. I would think they'd have better airport security.
40:09
So they kept looking for the white rat, and an employee caught the rat.
40:15
The passenger added, it bit them on the hand while they carried it
40:17
back to the kitchen at the back of the plane. Oh why are you
40:21
carr into the kitchen dinner? Maybe The cab and crew immediately ordered anyone who
40:28
brought the animals on the plane to make themselves known. The culprit did not
40:31
come forward initially, but after the cabin crew started investigating, she demanded a
40:37
refund and admitted to owning the escaped animals. Now that takes some big brass
40:43
balls. Yeah, just to smuggle. You violate the air rules and then
40:46
you demand a refund when you get caught smuggling animals. The woman may have
40:52
bought the animals in a tie market and look to bring them home after a
40:55
visit. The turtles will remain in quarantine, and the other animals will go
41:00
to Ping Tung University of Science and Technology for examination and confirmation before authorities dispose
41:08
of them. Oh god, I know disposes and air bunny quotes. Be
41:14
it jet Air is the first privately owned airline established in Vietnam. I lost
41:21
my place. This is just I'm trying to think. I've I've flown through
41:25
a frequently through a what would be a a third world country, you know,
41:34
and I'm thinking about the airport security there. I don't think you could
41:38
have got that through them. They changed they Okay, they're a little they're
41:42
a little thing that they would put the the metal detector or the detector for
41:46
the luggage didn't actually work. They just had it there and they had like
41:52
three guys that would sit there with the screen you could see on the other
41:54
side. The screen wasn't actually doing anything. So that's how they got They
42:00
weren't paid there, so that there was nothing going there, but they would
42:02
always search your bag because they wanted to take out anything of value when you
42:07
went through there, so that your bags were still always searched. I mean
42:10
that the metal detector or the detector thing where you go through at the airport
42:15
and it's like scanning for liquids and like actual things that might you know,
42:19
they don't want you to take on a plane, like you lost that rabbit
42:22
you were smuggling. What are you talking about the rabbit, Stuart, Nobody,
42:28
stop being disgusting And no, I wasn't smuggling a rabbit. He's referring
42:34
to the toy. No. Anyways, So you would put your bags for
42:39
the thing. There was three guys sitting there that was not scanning anything.
42:44
It was quite obvious there was nothing happening with the machine. It did convey
42:47
or beld it through. That was it. But they always took you to
42:51
a separate one and they search your bags, and so you kind of would
42:54
put like candy and stuff on top, and they'd take the candy and then
42:58
they'd let you go as long as they got their bribe. Yeah, you
43:01
can't have anything like if anything of value or money or anything. They would
43:05
take it, confiscated it. Yes, and then anyway, so, uh,
43:13
you might be able to if you knew that, y'all. Bet she
43:15
knew someone at airport security. That's the only way you could do it.
43:19
She had. It was an inside job. Probably someone was the fake conveyor
43:23
belt scammer. And then the person who searches the bag was like she slipt
43:28
them behindo or something. He you know, they just sent him through because
43:30
there were people that they would skip occasionally. But I think it was like
43:34
a friend or something. So yeah, so I could see how that could
43:38
happen. But anyways, all right, well this episode, well anybody that
43:45
disrupts of for like y'all need jesus. Yeah, they got to have a
43:49
special airlock where once you get the person corraled, like if they're acting up
43:52
on a flight, you can stick them in the air lock and they got
43:55
like two minutes to put on a parachute and then you open them out or
43:58
door and you drop them so that you don't have to happen, so that
44:00
you don't have to divert your flight somewhere. Anyways, all right, so
44:06
no, well there's a lot of things that happen on a plane that I
44:08
would like to put someone in that. So no, it would completely go
44:13
out of control because it would be go from like actual something you do something
44:16
wrong to like why are you taking your shoes off on a plane? Well,
44:20
those people need to be jetti too. I'm okay if it's a long
44:22
flight and then you put the nice socks on over like you take your shoes
44:27
off, but you put clean socks on, but you're going barefoot on the
44:30
plane, like taking your shoes off, that's a no. Well, especially
44:32
the people that decide that they're going to give themselves a pedicure on the plane.
44:37
They're going to get the little file and rub on their feet or clip
44:39
their nails while they're sitting there with the Well, I sat next to a
44:42
guy that masturbated next to me, so I felt like that was the most
44:45
egregious thing I've sat next That's a I think I've already told that story,
44:50
haven't I Probably that's a story for another day if you haven't heard it or
44:52
if I've said it before, But it did happen, so anyways, all
44:55
right, Well, check us out on Instagram, Facebook, check out our
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patreon on buy me a coffee. We appreciate everybody, and I guess we
45:02
will see you next time. Buy everyone. Say bye, ste Don't you
45:08
know it's bad to be supersticious? Find nothing else is working and my head
45:20
it's really hurting, and say it's worry. I can