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The 1979 Houston Decapitation Murders · Murder Files Unsealed

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Speaker 1: So I want you to picture the skyline of Houston, Texas,
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but in the summer of nineteen seventy.
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Speaker 2: Nine, right, a very different era.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. It is a city that is just operating on
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pure adrenaline. You've got the oil embargoes of the nineteen seventies, right,
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and they have driven crude prices through the absolute roof.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and Houston was the undisputed beneficiary of all that.
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Speaker 1: Right. So we were talking about skyscrapers going up practically overnight.
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There's like a thousand new residents pouring into city limits
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every single.
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Speaker 2: Week, which is just a staggering number of people to absorb.
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Speaker 1: It really is. And the localized economy feels entirely invincible
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at this point. I mean, it's glamorous, it is wealthy,
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and it is highly transient. But I want you to
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hold that image of the gleaming, optimistic skyline in your
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mind for a second, Okay, and then I want you
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to sharply contrast it with what a colleague of a
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thirty three year old secretary actually found on the morning
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of July twenty seventh.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, behind that unassuming green door of apartment four oh nine.
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Speaker 1: Exactly. We go from this macro level boomtown of the
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century to just a one room apartment with brown shag carpet,
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and inside a woman is found naked bound with electric
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cord a bloody butcher knife on the floor.
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Speaker 2: And we should warn you this gets incredibly dark.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, because her head was completely missing.
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Speaker 2: It is, I mean, it's the most jarring juxtaposition imaginable. Really.
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You have this metrocolis projecting this image of a boundless
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future in progress while simultaneously harboring a level of primitive,
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almost medieval violence right in its shadows.
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Speaker 1: It really shatters the illusion, doesn't it completely?
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Speaker 2: Because the specific nature of that violence, taking a human
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head from a crime scene, is so statistically anomalous and
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so psychologically aberrant that it immediately shatters any illusion of
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safety that this whole economic boom was built upon.
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Speaker 1: And that collision, you know, between civic optimism and sheer terror.
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That is the mission for our deep dive today.
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Speaker 2: We have a lot of ground to cover, we do.
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Speaker 1: We are exploring the transcript of a documentary titled Texas
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True Crime Decapitation Murders. So we are going to sift
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through this incredibly dark, unsolved chapter of Houston's history involving
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five gruesome murders.
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Speaker 2: All occurring over a terrifying what three months span in
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nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, just three months. And we are going to analyze
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the physical evidence, or well the lack thereof these shifting
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behavioral signatures of the crimes. And we really want to
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pull back the curtain on the frustrating reality of cold case.
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Speaker 2: Forensics, right because the gritty, degrading nature of an actual
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evidence warehouse is a far cry from the stylized, neon
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lit versions of crime solving were always fed on television.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely, So, okay, let's unpack this. We have to
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really ground ourselves in the time and place, Houston nineteen
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seventy nine.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we have to understand the specific ecosystem of
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Houston at that time to even begin to understand how
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a predator could operate so freely.
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Speaker 1: Right, because the police were just overwhelmed, weren't they overwhelmed?
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Speaker 2: Is an understatement. By August of that the city was
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on track for its most lethal year in recorded history.
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I mean literally overnight, they hit three hundred and ninety
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two murders.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a staggering jump. It was an increase of
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one hundred and twenty two homicides from the exact same period,
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just the previous year.
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Speaker 1: That's just an insane spike in violence for any city
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to handle.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. So, the infrastructure of the police department, the forensic laboratories,
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even just the homicide detective's basic capacity to process crime scenes,
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it was all buckling under this unprecedented sheer volume of violence.
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Speaker 1: Right, So, put yourself in the shoes of the people
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living there. I mean, imagine you are in your twenties, right,
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you moved to this city for a high paying job
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in the energy sector. You're looking for independence, you're looking
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for community.
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Speaker 2: Whole American dreams setup exactly so.
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Speaker 1: You sign a lease, you unpack your boxes, only to
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realize that the booning metropolis who just moved to is
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actually buckling under a crime.
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Speaker 2: Wave and you have unwittingly dropped your bags in the
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middle of a hunting ground.
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Speaker 1: It's terrifying. Yeah, really grasp this. We need to zoom
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in from the macro view of Houston to a specific
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microcosm of this boom, a place called the Orchard Apartments.
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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, the Orchard Apartment. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Can you set the scene for what this place was
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actually like.
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Speaker 2: Sure, So the Orchard Apartments is basically the quintessential architectural
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manifestation of the nineteen seventies singles culture. It was this massive,
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sprawling complex in southwest Houston, and it was explicitly designed
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and marketed towards this huge influx of young, single, newly
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independent professionals.
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Speaker 1: So it was a bit of a playground.
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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely. It had the pools, the shared social spaces,
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the built in nightlife. I mean, it was designed to
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manufacture community for a highly transient population who had no
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local roots whatsoever, which.
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Speaker 1: You know, brings up a thought I had while reading
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through the source materials about the design of this complex.
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The well, when you look at the Orchard Apartments, it
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feels like a like a nineteen seventies version of a
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modern co living space or even you know, a giant
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college dorm.
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Speaker 2: Right, very community.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the entire architecture is built around openness, shared amenities,
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fostering chance encounters. But ironically that exact design makes the
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residence incredibly vulnerable.
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Speaker 2: It's a double edged sword, right.
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Speaker 1: Because you walk around thinking you are surrounded by this
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built in safety net of neighbors and friends, but the
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reality is you were surrounded by hundreds of complete strangers. Right,
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that illusion of community just creates a massive blind spot.
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Speaker 2: It's a very compelling comparison. But there is a massive
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structural difference we have to account for between you know,
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a modern co living space and the Orchard apartments back
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in nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 1: Oh, because of the technology.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, the absolute lack of a digital footprint. Today, even
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in a complex full of strangers, you have keyfab entries, right,
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you have ring cameras on every door, you have cell
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phone location data pnging off local towers constantly.
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Speaker 1: Right, there's a record of everyone coming and going.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, But in nineteen seventy nine, the anonymity was absolute.
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I mean, you could walk into that complex, blend into
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the transient crowd at the pool, commit a horrific act,
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and just walk out without leaving a single trace of
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your presence other than physical evidence.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So the vulnerability wasn't just psychological, It was heavily infrastructural.
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Speaker 1: And that absolute vulnerability is exactly what claimed our first
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victim a lease ranking. Yeah, she was a thirty three
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year old secretary working at an engineering firm, but she
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was also you know, pushing for something more. She was
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studying psychology at the University of Houston, so she.
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Speaker 2: Was really trying to better herself.
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Speaker 1: She was, and she had a thirteen year old daughter,
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but she was separated from her husband at the time,
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so she moved into the Orchard Apartments looking for that
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fresh start we were just talking about.
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Speaker 2: She fits the exact demographic the complex was built for,
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you know, someone in transition seeking a foothold in this
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booming city.
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Speaker 1: But then on July twenty seventh, she didn't show up
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for work, so a colleague went to check on her.
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They ended up knocking on that green door of apartment
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for four nine and when they finally got inside, I mean
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they stepped into an absolute.
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Speaker 2: Nightmare, a horrific scene.
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Speaker 1: The police reports detail a one room apartment with brown
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shag carpet. It was slightly cluttered, books on the table,
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records stacked up, just the normal lived in space of
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a busy student and mother.
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Speaker 2: Very relatable everyday scene, right, But in.
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Speaker 1: The bedroom, a lease was found entirely naked. A pillow
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had been placed over where her head should be. God. Yeah,
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she had been sexually assaulted. Her wrists and ankles were
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tightly bound with an electric cord and a bloody, butchered
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off and a single razor blade were left behind near
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the bed.
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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is that the forensic details from the
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threshold of the apartment tell a very specific story about
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that initial interaction. How so, well, there was no forced entry,
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The doorframe wasn't splintered, the locks were totally intact, and
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in the realm of criminal profiling, a lack of forced
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entry and a violent homicide points to a very narrow
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set of possibilities. Either the victim implicitly trusted the offender
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and willingly opened the door, or the offender utilized a ruse,
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you know, posing as maintenance, or perhaps just a neighbor
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asking to use the phone.
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Speaker 1: But then we get to the act itself, right, because
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when the first responders remove that pillow, they found that
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her head was entirely missing, right, And this wasn't just
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a mutilation at the scene, The killer.
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Speaker 2: Took it, which is just it's incredibly rare.
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Speaker 1: The police actually found a trail of blood leading out
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of the apartment, down the stairs into the parking lot.
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There was a distinct, concentrated pool of blood on the
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pavement where investigators deduced the killer had actually set the
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head down on.
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Speaker 2: The ground, probably all fumbling for car.
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Speaker 1: Keys, Yeah, exactly before driving away. I mean it's just chilling.
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Speaker 2: It really is. And this is where we have to
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look closely at the behavioral signature of the offender. We
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often hear the term taking a trophy and like true
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crime media, but we really need to explain the psychological
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mechanics behind it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, please do, because it's hard to even wrap your
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mind around.
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Speaker 2: Well, decapitation is neurologically and physically taxing. It requires a
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tremendous amount of sustained kinetic energy leverage and either anatomical
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knowledge or just sheer brute force. Right. It's not a
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simple thing to do, not at all, and psychologically it
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requires a complete catastrophic break from empathy. You are no
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longer interacting with a human being, you know, you are
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interacting with an object. Right, So taking the head away
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from the scene isn't just about taking a souvenir. It
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is the ultimate assertion of ownership and power. It's an
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act of profound dehumanization designed to strip the victim of
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their identity even in death.
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Speaker 1: It's just horrific, and yet amidst this chaotic scene, the
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police collected a stack of loose papers like travelers checks, receips.
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Speaker 2: Right, just normal apartment clutter.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but buried in that pile was an incidents slip. Yeah,
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it was a police report for a burglary at a
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Lase's apartment that it occurred just one month prior.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it really makes you wonder, Right, was this predator
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casing her?
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Speaker 2: It's highly possible.
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Speaker 1: Did they break in earlier to map the layout of
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the apartment, figure out the locks, assess her schedule, only
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to return when they were ready to execute this escalation.
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Speaker 2: It definitely introduces the chilling concept of premeditated stalking. A
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burglary prior to a violent assault can absolutely serve as
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a reconnaissance mission for an organized offender.
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Speaker 1: Like testing the waters exactly.
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Speaker 2: It allows them to test the perimeter, gauge the police
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response time, familiarize themselves with the environment. I mean, if
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that burglary was connected, it means the violence wasn't spontaneous
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at all, It was highly methodical.
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Speaker 1: But despite that clue, you know, and despite processing her apartment,
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the investigation just hits a wall.
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Speaker 2: Mostly because of the volume of crime in the city. Right.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Houston police are fielding fifty two one hundred
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tips a day, but they are drowning in the noise
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of the city with a skyrocketing murder rate. The head
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is gone, the killer is a ghost.
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Speaker 2: And the commute must have been in a panic.
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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. While the residents of the Orchard departments are
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completely paralyzed by this trying to process the horror, the
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killer comes back just two weeks later in the exact
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same building.
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Speaker 2: The psychological impact on a contained community when lightning strikes
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twice in the same place, I mean, it cannot be overstated.
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The atmosphere in that complex would have been suffocating.
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Speaker 1: Suffocating is the exact right word. Because here's where it
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gets really interesting. Let's look at the second victim, Mary Kolkatta, right.
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She was a twenty seven year old clerk, and she
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lived just three floors up and a few doors down
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from Elisa's unit, so she was right there, literally steps away.
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And Mary's background is so vividly detailed in the sources.
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She came from a massive family in Pittsburgh, the middle
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of six kids. Her older sister, Margaret Anne, called her princess.
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That's sweet, But what really stands out is that Mary
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had cerebral palsy.
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Speaker 2: Oh wow.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so she struggled with balance, she had limited muscle control,
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but she absolutely refused to let it dictate her life.
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She baked, She square danced.
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Speaker 2: Claire danced. That's amazing, I know.
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Speaker 1: And she completely shocked her childhood best friend Beth by
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packing up and moving thirteen hundred miles to Houston just
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for the adventure of it.
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Speaker 2: See, Mary represents a remarkable level of resilience, I mean,
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moving across the country, securing a job, and living independently
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in a massive, overwhelming city like nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 1: Houston, especially while managing a physical disability exactly.
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Speaker 2: It requires a deep well of internal grit.
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Speaker 1: But that grit was suddenly up against an environment of
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absolute terror following Elsa's murder. The local news actually reported
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that women in the Orchard apartments were going to sporting
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goods stores and buying shotguns.
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Speaker 2: Shotguns, good lord.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the leasing office started selling these pur size
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containers of mace and they were selling out instantly.
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Speaker 2: That really paints a picture of the paranoia.
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Speaker 1: And we know Mary was terrified. Beth, her best friend
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back in Pennsylvania, received a phone call from Mary on
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a weeknight, and they usually only talked.
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Speaker 2: On Sundays, so a weeknight call was a red flag definitely.
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Speaker 1: Mary told Beth about the decapitation in her building. She
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was petnicviied, but she had a plan.
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Speaker 2: What was the plan?
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Speaker 1: She told Beth she was going to physically slide a
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heavy bookcase in front of her door every single night
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to barricade herself inside.
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Speaker 2: It really highlights how the concept of safety had entirely
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eroded for these residents. The locks provided by the complex
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were just no longer deemed sufficient. She felt she had
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to engineer her own physical barriers just to be able
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to sleep.
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Speaker 1: It's so sad, yeah, and it makes the reality of
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August tenth all the more devastating because exactly fourteen days
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after a lease was found, Mary Kolkatta was discovered murdered
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on her bathroom floor.
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Speaker 2: Just heartbreaking.
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Speaker 1: The scene was incredibly chaotic. Blood was spattered across the
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linoleum and on this powder blue bath map, and like alist,
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she had been sexually assaulted, right, but the physical evidence
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told the story of a massive, prolonged struggle. I mean,
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chairs were jumbled and returned near the front door. She'd
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been stabbed dozens of times. Yeah, and the police noted
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that her throat was slashed so deeply she was nearly decapitated.
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Plus another bloody butcher knife was left behind at the scene.
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Speaker 2: See. The sheer volume of trauma infleeted on Mary indicates
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a highly frenzied, highly emotive attack. The overturned furniture and
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the location of the body suggests she fought her attacker
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from the front door all the way into the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: She really fought for her life. But this is where
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I struggle with the established narrative and I want to
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push on this a bit.
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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.
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Speaker 1: If we are dealing with the exact same complex, the
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exact same demographic, the exact same time frame, and fund
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metally the same you know, the butcher knife, the sexual assault,
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the focus on the neck. Yes, why did the killer
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take Elise's head but leave Mary's? I mean, if taking
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the head is the psychological signature, the ultimate trophy, yeah,
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why abandon it this time?
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Speaker 2: It's a great question, and it really comes down to
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the biological reality of extreme violence. Discus earlier, how physically
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demanding dismemberment is right now a factor in the preceding events,
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Mary fought back hard. The forensic evidence suggests a protracted,
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violent physical altercation that likely lasted for several minutes, if
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not much longer.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so by the time the offender subdued her and
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actually committed the murder, they were likely experiencing a massive
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crash and adrenaline. Their muscles would be flooded with lactic acid,
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their heart rate would be redlining, and they would be
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experiencing severe physical exhaustion.
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Speaker 1: So they just ran out of gas.
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Speaker 2: Essentially, Yes, they attempted the decapitation, hence this severe trauma
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to the neck, but they simply lacked the mechanical energy
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to sever the cervical spine. The drive for self preservation,
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the need to just flee the scene, overrode that psychological
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compulsion to take the trophy.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense. So the police look at these
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two scenes, the proximity, the weapons, the focus on decapitation,
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and they naturally assume they're hunting one man. Of course,
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I mean the statistically unlikelihood of two completely independent decapitation
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style killers operating in the same apartment complex at the
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exact same time is basically zero.
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Speaker 2: It would be astronomically improbable.
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Speaker 1: But just as they start building this profile, the very
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same day that Mary is found, another young woman is
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discovered dead.
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Speaker 2: And this is where things get really complicated.
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Speaker 1: It completely shatters their need emerging narrative.
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Speaker 2: This introduces a massive complication for the investigators. When you
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are attempting to link crimes, you look for behavioral consistency,
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and this third crime scene introduces extreme inconsistency.
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Speaker 1: Let's introduce Doris Threadgil. She was twenty six years old,
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estranged from her husband, and she worked at a hearing
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aid company. Okay, but crucially she did not live at
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the Orchard.
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Speaker 2: Apartments right a change in geography.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she lived in a town home about nine miles
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north and she was actually found dead by an exterminator
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seven hours before Mary was discovered by your.
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Speaker 2: Friend Wow, same day, same day, and.
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Speaker 1: The injuries were horrifically familiar. She was stabbed in the
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chest and her throat was slashed so severely she was,
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according to the papers, virtually decapitated.
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Speaker 2: So the immediate reaction from police is obviously to link
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all three exactly, I mean, three young women a two
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week period near or full decapitations. But when we look
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at the specific mechanics of Doris's crime scene, the linkage
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starts to really fray.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, the divergence is stark. Okay, I mean with Doris
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there was no bloody knife left behind, no weapon, no
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forced entry either. But most importantly, the scene was incredibly clean.
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Doris was found fully closed, wearing all her jewelry.
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Speaker 2: The robbery wasn't the motive.
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Speaker 1: No, and it was no sexual assault. There was no
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sign of a struggle, no overturned furniture, no chaos like
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with Mary, and investigators actually photographed two wineglasses and an
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ashtray full of packaged cigarette butts sitting neatly by the
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kitchen sink.
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Speaker 2: See if we connect this to the bigger picture and
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look at this through the lens of modern criminal.
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Speaker 1: Profiling, which you know, didn't really exist.
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Speaker 2: Then right, We have to remember that the FBI's Behavioral
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Science unit was still in its infancy in nineteen seventy nine,
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so local cops were largely operating on instinct. But this
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scene presents a massive contradiction. How so, Well, when a
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serial offender operates manually utilizing a knife in close quarters combat,
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the physical and neurological toll is massive, like we said
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it triggers the endocrine system, spiking cortisol and adrenaline. After
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the event, there is an unavoidable biological refractory period.
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Speaker 1: Like a cooling off period. Yes, a recovery time.
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Speaker 2: So you were saying that going from a chaotic, exhausting,
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messy brawl with Mary Kolkatta to a pristine, calm, highly
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controlled murder with Doris Threadgill on the exact same weekend
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is biologically and psychologically improbable. Highly improbable. I mean it's
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not just a change in method, It's a completely conflicting
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behavioral signature.
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Speaker 1: It's like looking at two completely different artists trying to
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paint the same gruesome picture. You know, one is this
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chaotic frenzy and the other is disturbingly methodic.
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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. The killer at
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the Orchard apartments is impulsive, disorganized in their exit, leaving
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weapons behind. The scene at Doris's town home is methodical,
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organized and controlled. Furthermore, the victimology shifts.
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Speaker 1: Completely because of the wineglasses.
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Speaker 2: Yes, those wineglasses strongly suggest Doris was entertaining. She likely
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knew her killer, allowed them in and sat down for
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a drink with them. Alisa and Mary appear to be
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victims of a predator stalking a complex. Doris appears to
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be the victim of someone specifically targeting her.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so is it possible we're looking at a copycat.
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Speaker 2: It's definitely a theory.
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Speaker 1: Because the news was reporting the decapitation at the Orchard Apartments. Right,
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Could someone in Doris's life have used the hysteria of
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the Houston decapitator to mask a personal homicide, like intentionally
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slashing her throat to make it look like the work
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of the serial killer.
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Speaker 2: That is a very astute hypothesis, and it's exactly the
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kind of alternative theory investigators have to entertain when the
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data sets conflict like this. A staged crime scene designed
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to redirect the investigation away from the victim's inner circle
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is a well known phenomenon. Right, Her estranged husband was
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actually cleared with a solid alibi, but the controlled nature
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of her scenes strongly implies a personal motive masked by
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a chaotic signature.
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Speaker 1: So now the Houston PD has three bodies, two locations,
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and totally conflicting of most it's a mass and weeks
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turn into months, the leads dry up, and then in October,
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the violence erupts again, but the entire paradigm shifts. We
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moved from single women in private apartments to a young
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couple in a public park.
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Speaker 2: This is a classic escalation point, but it also represents
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a terrifying loss of control or maybe a shift in
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the offender's risk assessment.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Bobby Spangenberger and Joann Huffman. Bobby was eighteen,
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a musician, he played the drums. His sister Brenda remembers
20:50
him as you know, the funny guy with the great.
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Speaker 2: Hair, Just a normal teenager.
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Speaker 1: Right, And Joanne was just seventeen. They'd been dating for
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less than a year, just starting their lives. On Tuesday,
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October third, they went on a date to Watonga Park
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and they simply vanished.
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Speaker 2: A parent's worst nightmare.
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Speaker 1: The next day, Brenda gets pulled out of school, her
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mother's in a panic, and they eventually find detectives waiting
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for them.
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Speaker 2: And the discovery of their bodies the next morning completely
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ends the previous profile the police were building totally.
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Speaker 1: Joanne was found first face down on the grass at
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Watonga Park, but the weapon had changed entirely. She wasn't stabbed,
21:26
she was shot a huge escalation. Yeah, and in a
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few miles away at a used car lot, police found
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Bobby's abandoned white Dodge. When they pried open the trunk,
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they found Bobby in a fetal position. His hands were
21:39
torn to shreds defensive wounds showing he fought ferociously for
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his life.
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Speaker 2: Just her risk.
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Speaker 1: But what tied this to the summer terror was the
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ultimate mutilation. Bobby had been decapitated and his head was
21:50
completely missing again Yeah. Blood on the outside of the
21:54
vehicles suggested the head might have been severed outside the
21:56
car or massive blood transfer occurred when they were loading
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his body into the trunk.
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Speaker 2: This raises an important question about the shift and environment.
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The shift from an indoor private space to an outdoor
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public park is highly significant.
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Speaker 1: Right, because it's so much riskier.
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Speaker 2: Exactly an organized defender prefers the control of an indoor environment.
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Moving to a public park suggests either extreme confidence or
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a dangerous level of psychological decompensation, where the urge to
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kill just completely overrides the need for safety. And the
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use of a firearm represents a major shift in methodology.
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A gun is about distance and immediate control. A knife
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is intimate and punitive.
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean? We went from butcher
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knives and sexual assault to a gun shot, a car trunk,
22:41
and another missing head. Is this the same psychopath? Why
22:45
use gun on Joanne and then revert to the decapitation
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on Bobby?
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Speaker 2: It suggests a matter of utility. Mostly, two victims present
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a massive logistical challenge for a lone offender.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: The firearm was likely used to rapidly subdu do or
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eliminate Joanne, neutralizing half the threat, allowing the offender to
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focus their physical energy and frankly pathological focus on Bobby.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: The fact that Bobby fought back so fiercely and yet
23:13
the killers still managed to complete the decapitation and take
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the head implies the killer was either physically massive, heavily armed,
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or had an accomplice.
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Speaker 1: The psychological toll this specific mutilation took on the families,
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it's just harrowing, I mean. Bobby's sister, Brenda gave an
23:29
interview where she explained the unique agony of a missing head.
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Speaker 2: It's an unimaginable kind of grief.
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Speaker 1: She said that for years she would be driving to
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a high school football game at night and she would
23:39
be paralyzed by the sight of a trash bag and
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a ditch.
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Speaker 2: Oh God.
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Speaker 1: She lived in constant terror that she was going to
23:44
look out the window and see her brother's head rolling
23:46
out of a bag. She was tormented by the ambiguity
23:49
of it. Was it kept in a jar somewhere? Was
23:51
it thrown in a river?
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Speaker 2: The psychological term for this is ambiguous loss. It is
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a type of grief that remains fundamentally unresolved because the
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the physical reality of the lass is incomplete.
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Speaker 1: Because there's no finality right.
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Speaker 2: The family cannot lay their loved one to rest in
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their entirety. The killer didn't just take Bobby's life, They
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held his physical remains hostage and perpetuity. It prevents the
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natural grieving process from ever finalizing.
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Speaker 1: It is absolute torment, and it leads us with this sprawling,
24:21
chaotic map of violence. We have butcher knives and electric
24:24
cords in a nineteen seventy Singles complex. We have a
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pristine scene with wineglasses in a town home, and we
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have a gunshot a car trunk decapitation stemming from a
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public park, all within three months. It's dizzy ing, and
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now forty five years later, we have to look at
24:38
how the justice system actually attempts to untangle this, which
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brings us to the reality of the cold case evidence room.
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Speaker 2: This is where we confront the stark physical decay of
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the investigative process, because the passage of time is the
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absolute enemy of forensic science.
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Speaker 1: It's exactly I want to highlight how detective Richard Rodriguez
24:54
operates in the modern day, because if you consume true
24:57
crime television, you are conditioned to exp glossy laboratories, black lights,
25:03
and you know, machines that map a killer's DNA profile
25:08
during a commercial.
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Speaker 2: Break, right, the CSI effect.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but the documentary crew actually followed Rodriguez into the
25:14
real environment and it is a small, gray, windowless, stagnant room.
25:20
It's just him and it's stack of deteriorating cardboard boxes
25:24
from nineteen seventy nine, and.
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Speaker 2: The conditions of storage from that era are a massive hurdle.
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In nineteen seventy nine, the protocols for preserving biological evidence
25:31
for future genetic testing just didn't.
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Speaker 1: Exist because DNA testing wasn't a thing yet.
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Speaker 2: Exactly, DNA profiling wouldn't be utilized in criminal courts until
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the late nineteen eighties, evidence was stored in standard warehouses
25:42
subject to humidity, temperature fluctuations, and you know, cross contamination.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the specific science of that decay. Yeah,
25:49
when Rodriguez opens these boxes, what is actually happening to
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the biological material.
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Speaker 2: Well, DNA is a molecular structure, and like any organic material,
25:57
it breaks down over time. When blood or semen is
26:00
stored in a non climate controlled environment, especially in the
26:03
humid climate of Texas, it is subjected to hydrolysis and oxidation.
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Speaker 1: So it literally falls apart.
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Speaker 2: Yes, the chemical bonds of the DNA strand literally shatter
26:15
into smaller and smaller fragments. Furthermore, if the evidence wasn't
26:18
perfectly dried before being sealed in plastic or cardboard, bacteria.
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Speaker 1: And mold will grow gross.
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Speaker 2: And those microbes will consume the biological material, completely erasing
26:29
the genetic signature. By the time you attempt a modern
26:31
PCR polymerized chain reaction test, which tries to amplify the DNA,
26:36
there simply isn't a long enough strand left to read. Wow.
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Speaker 1: And that scientific degradation is compounded by catastrophic administrative failures too. Oh, absolutely,
26:45
because When Rodriguez opens Bobby's box looking for something to test,
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he finds almost nothing. Old road maps, newspapers, a few photos.
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The evidence log shows that critical items collected in nineteen
26:55
seventy nine are simply missing gone.
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Speaker 2: A break in the chain of custody over forty five
26:59
year is almost inevitable when physical files are moved between precincts, basements,
27:04
and digital systems, but it is devastating for the viability
27:08
of a prosecution.
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Speaker 1: He gets even more chaotic he opens Joe Anne's box,
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the seventeen year old girl shot in the park. Inside
27:15
the cardboard box is a firearm.
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Speaker 2: Okay, that sounds like a good thing, you'd think, But.
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Speaker 1: When Rodriguez checks the original nineteen seventy nine police report,
27:25
there is absolutely no mention of a gun being recovered
27:28
at Watonga Park.
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Speaker 2: Wait.
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Speaker 1: Really, yes, someone at some point in the last four
27:33
decades accidentally placed a weapon from a completely different homicide
27:38
into Joanne's box.
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Speaker 2: That completely contaminates the integrity of that box. I mean,
27:42
if you were to find DNA in there now, a
27:44
defense attorney would instantly argue that it was transferred from
27:47
the misplaced firearm. It legally poisons the well.
27:50
Speaker 1: But the most staggering loss involves Mary Kolkatta and Elise
27:53
rankin the bloody butcher knives, the murder weapons found right
27:57
next to their bodies. The atoms most likely to contain
28:00
the sweat, skin cells, or blood of the killer. They're missing.
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.
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Speaker 1: They were logged into evidence in nineteen seventy nine and
28:07
today they simply do not exist in the inventory.
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Speaker 2: The loss of the murder weapons is an incalculable blow.
28:15
Metal services, particularly the textured groups of butcher knives, are
28:19
prime real estate for modern touch DNA analysis because of
28:22
the sweat, yes, the friction of the assault forces the
28:25
offender to leave epithelial cells behind. Without those knives, you
28:29
are relying entirely on the degradation prone biological evidence on
28:32
the victim's clothing.
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Speaker 1: But amongst the losses there are these bizarre, almost theatrical discoveries.
28:39
In Mary's box, mixed in with her library card and
28:42
deposit slips, Rodriguez finds a piece of paper. It was
28:45
never noted as significant in the original file.
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Speaker 2: What was it?
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Speaker 1: It's a handwritten copy of a line from a ts
28:50
Eliot poem, specifically the Wasteland. The quote reads here is Belladonna,
28:55
the Lady of the Rocks, the Lady of situations.
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Speaker 2: That is an incredibly specific and bill piece of literature
29:01
to find in a murder file.
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Speaker 1: Right, the Wasteland is a modernist masterpiece, but it's fundamentally
29:07
a poem about decay, disillusionment, and the brokenness of the
29:11
world after trauma. Belladonna translates to a beautiful lady, but
29:16
it's also the name of a deadly, poisonous plant, deadly nightshade.
29:20
Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: So is this the killer leaving a psychological signature a taunt?
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Speaker 2: I mean, it immediately evokes the theatricality of offenders like
29:29
the Zodiac, who utilized literature and ciphers. If left by
29:33
the killer, it signifies a highly organized, highly educated, and
29:37
deeply narcissistic offender who views the murder as a piece
29:40
of performance art.
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Speaker 1: But I have to push back on the mythology of
29:43
that a little bit. Okay, why, Well, given how chaotic
29:46
the administrative side of this case has been, Yeah, you know,
29:48
with the mystery gun in Joanne's box, isn't it equally
29:52
possible that this piece of paper was just Mary's. It's possible,
29:55
or worse, eleisis Elise was a university student studying psychology.
29:59
Maybe she was taking the literature elective wrote the quote down,
30:02
and a careless evidence tech in nineteen seventy nine swept
30:05
it off a table and accidentally dropped it into Mary's box.
30:08
Speaker 2: That is the brutal reality of cold case work. You
30:11
are forced to interpret intent through the lens of human error.
30:15
It could be the key to the psychological profile of
30:18
a serial killer, or it could be a misfiled piece
30:21
of sophomore English homework without context. It's just noise, just.
30:26
Speaker 1: Like the burglary slip found in Elisa's file, found decades later,
30:30
shuffled in with her travelers checks. Did the original detectives
30:33
ever interview the responding officer for that burglary? We don't know,
30:36
we don't. But amidst all this degradation and confusion, Rodriguez
30:40
opens the box for Doris threadgil or outlier the clean
30:44
crime scene, and he finds a forensic gold mine.
30:46
Speaker 2: Because her scene lacked the chaotic, bloody struggle of the others,
30:50
the evidence collected was of a different nature exactly.
30:53
Speaker 1: Rodriguez finds pristine, sealed white envelopes. Inside are the packaged
30:57
cigarette butts matchsticks, a candy wrapper, and cotton swabs taken
31:01
directly from those two wineglasses.
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Speaker 2: By the sink, and they were still sealed.
31:04
Speaker 1: The seals on these envelopes have not been broken since
31:06
nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 2: This is what every cold case detective prays for. A
31:10
sealed paper envelope is actually an excellent preservation.
31:12
Speaker 1: Method, really better than plastic oh much better.
31:15
Speaker 2: Unlike plastic bags, which trap moisture and promote bacterial growth,
31:20
paper allows the evidence to breathe while protecting it from
31:22
ambient cross contamination.
31:24
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I wouldn't have guessed that.
31:26
Speaker 2: Yeah. So if the killer smoked those cigarettes or drank
31:29
from that glass, their saliva, which is rich in DNA
31:32
has been locked in a relatively stable environment for decades.
31:35
Speaker 1: So we have this stark contrast, right, the decaying science
31:39
in a gray room and the enduring, relentless pressure from
31:43
the outside. And that pressure comes from.
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Speaker 2: The families, right, because the science might fail, but the
31:49
families don't give up.
31:50
Speaker 1: Forensic science might break down, but human tenacity does not.
31:55
We are introduced to Andy gall a retired investigator from Pennsylvania.
31:59
He is the man who answer the phone when Mary
32:01
Colcotta's sister, Margaret Anne, decided she was simply going to
32:04
cold call law enforcement professionals until someone finally listened to her.
32:08
Speaker 2: Margaret Ann is the absolute engine of this investigation. Cases
32:12
from the nineteen seventies do not stay open because of
32:14
police initiative alone. They just don't have the time exactly.
32:18
The sheer volume of modern case loads prevents that cold
32:22
cases are resurrected because a family member refuses to let
32:25
the system forget.
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Speaker 1: And gall was so moved by Margaret Anne that he
32:29
kept a portrait of Mary under Glass on his desk
32:31
for the rest of his career.
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Speaker 2: That's incredibly touching.
32:34
Speaker 1: He has a massive, worn copy of her case file,
32:37
heavily annotated with his own notes. He states very plainly
32:41
that when you work these cases, the families become your friends,
32:45
and they make it impossible for you to walk away.
32:48
Speaker 2: It speaks to the profound responsibility investigators feel when confronted
32:52
with that level of unresolved grief. The science is cold,
32:55
but the pursuit is deeply human.
32:57
Speaker 1: And Margaret Anne brings up a psilosophical point, but I
33:00
think defines the true crime experience for families. She says
33:03
she doesn't believe in the concept of closure.
33:05
Speaker 2: A lot of families feel that way, right.
33:06
Speaker 1: She just wants an answer, she stated, The why is
33:09
so much more important than the who.
33:11
Speaker 2: That's powerful.
33:12
Speaker 1: Knowing the name of a seventy year old man sitting
33:14
in a prison cell doesn't heal the wound. She needs
33:17
to understand why someone would look at her resilient, fiercely
33:21
independent sister and decide to inflict such absolute horror.
33:25
Speaker 2: Because closure is largely a myth manufactured by media to
33:29
wrap up a narrative for the family is the narrative
33:32
never ends, right. The why is an attempt to impose
33:35
logic on an inherently illogical act of psypopathy. It is
33:39
a desperate search for meaning in the face of absolute nihilism.
33:43
Speaker 1: And the absence of that why creates a generational trauma. Brenda,
33:48
Bobby's sister, articulated this so clearly. The violence didn't stop
33:51
in nineteen seventy nine.
33:52
Speaker 2: It rarely does.
33:53
Speaker 1: She firmly believes that the horror of how Bobby was found,
33:55
the missing head, the unresolved terror, literally broke her mother's heart.
34:00
Her mother died at a young age just twelve years
34:02
after the murder.
34:03
Speaker 2: The stress takes a physical toll absolutely.
34:06
Speaker 1: And Brenda noted how it fundamentally rewired her own life.
34:09
It changed how she parented her children, how she viewed strangers,
34:13
how she navigated the world. A single act of violence
34:16
doesn't just end to life. It fractures the entire family tree,
34:20
and the rot spreads through the branches for decades.
34:22
Speaker 2: We are forced to recognize the terrifying fragility of our timelines.
34:26
Elise rank In deciding to answer and knock at the door,
34:29
Mary Kolkotta being unable to find a heavy enough bookcase,
34:33
Bobby and Joanne choosing to go to a public park
34:35
on a Tuesday.
34:36
Speaker 1: Night, just normal, everyday things.
34:37
Speaker 2: Right, millisecond decisions that intersect with a predator, instantly shattering
34:41
a timeline forever and sending out shockwaves that are still
34:44
being felt forty five years later in living rooms in
34:47
Texas and Pennsylvania.
34:48
Speaker 1: We have spent the last hour dissecting the vulnerability of
34:51
a booming city that was completely unequipped for the darkness
34:54
operating within it. We've looked at five lives. Leise Rankin,
34:58
Mary Kolkatta, door streadgil, Joanne Huffman, and Bobby Spangenberger and
35:03
the frustrating, fragile reality of a justice system battling the
35:07
decay of time.
35:08
Speaker 2: It's a heavy burden to process.
35:10
Speaker 1: It is if the individuals who committed these acts are
35:13
still alive. They're walking among us, perhaps in their seventies,
35:16
harboring a monstrous secret. But the search continues, fueled by
35:21
the love of the sisters and friends who refuse to
35:23
let the dust settle.
35:24
Speaker 2: It's their tenacity that keeps the hope alive.
35:27
Speaker 1: Which leaves me with a final thought, I want you
35:29
to mull over as we conclude this deep dive. We've
35:33
talked extensively about the physical decay of the investigation. The
35:36
science breaks down, The DNA strands shatter into unreadable fragments.
35:40
The bloody butcher knives are lost of bureaucratic incompetence. The
35:44
paper incident slips slowly disintegrate.
35:47
Speaker 2: The physical world fades right.
35:49
Speaker 1: We accept that physical evidence is finite, but what happens
35:52
when the human evidence expires? When the older sisters like
35:56
Margaret Ann, the best friends like Beth McKinstry, and the
35:59
dedicated invests instigators like Andy Gull finally pass away.
36:02
Speaker 2: That's the scariest part.
36:03
Speaker 1: If a predator takes a physical life and time eventually
36:06
erases the very memory of the pursuit. Does the truth
36:09
still exist somewhere out there in the ether waiting to
36:12
be unearthed. Or does the narrative simply fade to black
36:15
and the truth vanishes forever.
36:16
Speaker 2: It's a hunting question.
36:18
Speaker 1: It really is. Thank you so much for taking this
36:21
deep dive with us.