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The Courage to Be Who We Are with Sara Miley · The Trauma Therapist

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Trauma Thepist podcast. Plus listeners can listen to episodes early and ad free right
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Theverist podcast and signing up today. Welcome to the Trauma Nevers podcast, a
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show about the incredible people dedicated to helping those who experienced trauma. My name
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is Got macpherson, and my mission is to raise awareness of trauma and to
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inspire each of us to help those around us. All right, Sarah,
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here we go. So five, four, three, two and one are
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folks. Welcome back to the podcast. Very excited to have us back,
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Sarah Miley, Sarah, welcome, Thank you so much for having me.
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It's great to be here again. Awesome. So Sarah is an experienced crisis
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advocate and an IFS informed trauma recovery coach through her learned and lives experience,
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and says she's passionate about helping survivors find the roots of their suffering. Sarah's
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focus is on survivors of developmental childhood trauma, attachment wounds, emotional abuse and
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neglect, and CPTSD. She's the owner and coach of Full Circle well Spring
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LLC, founder and coach Sultant of the Personalized Trauma Healing System and the host
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of the Trauma Survivor Hood podcast. Sarah, welcome back, Thank you so
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much. Yeah, great to be here. Yeah. So all right,
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You've got a lot going on that's new. But before we kind of dive
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into that, I want to kind of revisit a couple of things. First
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of all, reminded listeners where you're from originally and where you are currently.
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Yeah, So I am an area. It's actually where I grew up.
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I've been coast to coast, lived in New York City, California. I've
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traveled quite a bit, but I've been back here about eight years. At
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least for another few months and then we'll see where the wind takes me.
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This winter is actually going to be a big move. But yeah, for
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right now, I'm about a half an hour north of Boston. Okay,
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awesome. All right, So let's kind of kind of before we get into
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the new things you have going on here, I kind of want to revisit
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what how all this started for you? Yeah? Yeah, great question.
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So forty one, almost forty two now, this fall and a lot of
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trauma. So I am a CPTSD survivor, which essentially means multiple types of
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trauma over multiple years, ranging from different time frames, And that is my
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story. I have started in a very dysfunctional, chaotic home. I grew
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up with mental illness surrounding me with emotionally unavailable people. I went to a
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very religious, very strict school. I grew up in that kind of religious
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trauma, spiritual trauma, saw a lot of abuse in those spaces. Continued
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on to New York City. I had my son when I was a teenager.
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There, I've dealt with some narcissistic abuse from his father, who luckily
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is not super involved in our lives. But we went through some legal trauma
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to make sure that everyone was safe. The justice system kind of failed failed
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us there, which was interesting. More religious trauma about eight years ago.
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More family drama and trauma about seven eight years ago. And at that point
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I kind of said, Gollie, I get to take a breather. I
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get to figure out what's what. And so that's what I did. I
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started therapy. I'm actually still with my same therapist for eight years. It
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just it's luckily the only kind of trauma I think I can't say that I
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have other than that that you know, people that experience in Global Majority and
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the BIPOC communities obviously, but you know that therapeutic trauma is a real thing.
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And I am so fortunate because I have not had that. It's been
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a beautiful, beautiful blessing, very very safe space for me to explore.
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And I think we called the last show that I did last summer breakthrough,
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breakopen, break down, something along those lines, right, And that's really
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what my therapist has had me doing, just kind of breaking open all these
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spaces that I didn't even know was trauma. Things I didn't even understand were
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creating having on my nervous system, creating dysfunction side of my body. So
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I have a lot of hyperactivity, really extreme hypervigilance. I struggled with an
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eating disorder, a lot of places that needed healing in my body, my
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mind, and my spirit. And then once you find healing in those areas,
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you can start to connect back to that mind, body, spirit and
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more authentic wholeness. And that's kind of where I am now. That's how
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I kind of landed here, and it ended up bringing me to change my
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entire job and career, and I found your podcast, which is how I
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found being a trauma recovery coach from a guest that you had on Golly four
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almost five years ago now, and I've just I've gone forward from there,
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just studying and learning. I love the neuroscience. I love all of the
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understanding of the nervous system. Once I understood it, I was like,
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Oh my goodness, we can actually really actually work with this. Neuroplasticity is
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a huge part of the work that I'm involved in personally and professionally. Psychedelicacist
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in therapy has been a big part of it as well. Internal family systems
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has changed the gait for me as far as personal and for my clients.
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And yeah, I'm just I'm just here learning it all every day. It's
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growing and growing. I'm reaching for a I had a paper here to write
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this down. But damn, that's a lot of stuff. Yeah. I
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don't say that lightly. I mean that's it's a lot of trauma. Yeah.
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Yeah, I've been through it for sure, for sure. Wow.
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I mean I just like you know, you said at a certain point you
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started seeing a therapist. So how old were you when you started seeing a
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therapist? I was thirty three. Almost thirty four. And I think I
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mentioned last time, and it's really the truth that the reason I went there
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is because my son was, like he was almost sixteen, that gosh,
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he's going to get his license, He's going to go off to school.
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Like I have to figure out who I am, which I didn't know that
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that would take so much work. But when you have complex trauma, it
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takes a lot of work to figure out who you are and come back to
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that authentic place like well in the movies, like people go to like talk
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therapy and figure out who they are, right, And I kind of thought
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I was going to use them like a life coach because I really did not
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know that I had so much trauma. And so that's kind of how it
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started for me. And that's what I say, what I mean, we
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really broke open things. I had absolutely no clue about things that I had
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even repressed, things that I didn't even recognize were so jarring to my system.
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Some of the things I've been through have been sneaky because you have so
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much of this underlying current of trauma, so your body is already prepared for
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it. So when something new happens, you know, like a sexual assault
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after you've had childhood trauma or you go through legal trauma after you've had developmental
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trauma. Your brain is wired to go, oh, we know what to
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do with this. This is this is more, this is more bull crap,
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like let's just do this, and it just goes right into the same
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protective mechanisms that it's so familiar. Patterns tend to be really familiar when you've
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had developmental and complex PTSD. And when I started with the therapy, I
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find it so yeah, say it's easier to become trump or traumatized again to
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yees trauma again, because yeah, for sure, you know you find patterns
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in relationships that feel familiar. The real problem with the brain, as great
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as it is, is it really loves familiar. So actually, even if
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something's unhealthy, like a coping skill might be unhealthy, but it's familiar and
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the brain knows it can get results, it doesn't really want to move out
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of that. So to retrain the brain that hey, safety in a relationship,
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heyd boundaries, These are healthy, this is going to be good for
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the system. The brain is hearing you say that and going danger, danger,
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danger, danger, danger, because it's just unfamiliar. It's not that
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it's not good. That's why I think it's so important for people to reactivate
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their love of life through their spirit and their soul. Because the brain wants
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familiar. And if you've grown up and you've been exposed to so many different
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types of traumas and you have what we call it trauma brain, right,
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we can see this on brain scans. People with complex trauma often look like
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they've had TBIs. The structure of your brain can look different on brain scans.
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Your prefrontal cortex can be underdeveloped, your hippocampus as well. Your amygdala
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looks like it's shaffiring off constantly. It's a very different brain if you have
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a trauma brain. And so for your brain to hear, wait, we're
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trying something new. Oh no, oh, no, scary, scary.
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But that's where your spirit has to come in and go, no, I
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want better. I understand that this has kept me safe and alive. And
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there's a real gratitude and compassion for yourself for those coping mechanisms and coping skills
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and strategies that you've used. But to open that up to new tools that
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are now healthy and more adaptive to your current life because you're not still in
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the trauma. Right, I'm not still a six year old who can't leave
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the house. Right, I'm not still in the assaults. I'm not still
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in the religious cults. I'm not there anymore. And so I get to
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choose now what actually feels right for me because I've connected to that authentic self,
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which I think is through the spirit. Because the brain just really wants
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familiar It's it's kind of a it's like, brain, you do so much
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for us, but that is a lacking in the brain that it wants familiar.
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You know. Just listening to you talk, you know, I can
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feel your your passion and almost I mean to the degree that I can what
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you've gone through, you can you can hear it, you can feel the
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compassion you have for doing this work. At what point did you say,
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Okay, I want to start helping other people. Yeah, you know,
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I started helping people the day I was born in more adaptive safety skills as
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a coping skill to deal with dysfunction and chaos. So it's actually kind of
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an innate thing that came with my environment in my developing years, in my
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teen years through my twenties, having a child when I was a teenager.
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I have been taking care of people my entire life. But what was great
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about the healing work that I've done is to go, wow, I have
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all these amazing skills, right, I can I can really read people.
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I can I'm able to look at like micro facial expressions. I'm able to
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read people's tones. I can sit in an empathic way with people in their
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emotions. And I have so many resources. The idea of resourcing people so
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that I do not have to walk next to them every moment of every day
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is way less of a trauma response and more now of a this is a
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great thing that I can help the universe. And this is something that I
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can do from a self led place and ifs it's what we talk about the
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self energy, really compassionate, really clear. But resourcing has become one of
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my superowers. Rather than here, I'll just do it for you. Oh
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you know, you know what, you know it's going to work. Let
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me just do this. Let me just that hero complex that I've always had,
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that fixer that's safe your mentality. Now I do it. But I'm
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helping people who are actually putting in the effort, and I'm helping them move
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forward with what they want. They're asking me for help. I'm delivering to
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them just walking alongside, but I'm really giving them recommendations and resources and tools
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to fill their toolbox, just like I had to fill my toolbox with new
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healthy, adaptive coping skills for our present moment, using your spirit, using
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your authenticity, not being driven by fear and trauma and danger. Let's talk
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about full circle well Spring. When did that come about? Why did you
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develop that? Yeah? So when I heard on your show, Jennifer Candera
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came on as she was a trauma recovery coach, and I was like,
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Oh, that's my future right there. I was already doing some crisis advocacy
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work. I actually really love crisis work, and I was like, yeah,
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that's the next step. I'm going to do that. So I took
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some classes, moved in that direction, started the program, started my own
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LLC a couple of years ago, it's going to be gosh, almost three
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years now, and started seeing clients specifically for trauma recovery, and that is
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doing the walking alongside, that is the hearing their story, that is making
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sense of their trauma so that they can make sense of their future and move
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forward. That is helping them understand their brain, understanding what's going on,
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why these coping skills are useful, and then resourcing their toolbox and filling them
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with coping skills and just walking alongside right, more of a coaching kind of
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nature and relationship. And as that moved on shortly after I was I was
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on this show, I think last summer I really started almost being pregnant with
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these ideas of really moving into the resourcing space. So even my podcast Trauma
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Survivorhood, the goal of it is to share resources. I always ask my
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guests what were their resources, and now my guests have often become resources themselves,
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authors, therapists, coaches, but what was even helpful in their healing,
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So that now we're sharing resources and as that really became a passion of
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mine, That's where I developed my trademarked program and LIE Trauma Healing System,
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and I launched that last September, so not quite a year ago. And
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that is really more of a coach sulting role because that I'm still coaching,
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it's still client led, still very collaborative in our goals, but it is
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me using the expertise that I know for my lived and learned experiences. It
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is my dizzying array of modalities that I've tried personally, that I've read about,
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that I've studied, that I've gotten certified in for some of them,
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and helping people with lifestyle design. And that's really what personalized trauma Healing system
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is. It's really curated lifestyle design, but specifically for trauma survivors. So
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this is things like sleep, eating, exercise, but also sexual health,
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emotional well being, social life, family planning, career like are you happy
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in your career? Your lifestyle can be designed so that you have more regulation
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on a regular basis. And so I use a lot of polyvagal theory with
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this, right, So your trauma keeps you disregulated a lot, especially if
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you have trauma brain, you have a very narrow window of capacity or window
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of tolerance. We call it window of regulation. And coping is what when
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you're doing when you're dysregulated, right, and so the trauma recovery coaching is
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kind of filling toolboxes to help you regulate when you're disregulated. But the personalized
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Trauma Healing system, this lifestyle design is actually expanding your window of capacity.
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This is allowing for more space for you to have in your nervous system because
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you slept well, because you're eating healthy, because you've got a couple of
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safe friends, because you're in therapy, because you're doing yoga, because you're
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doing a career that you love every day, you like your job, because
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you're learning how to parent with boundaries. Right. The lifestyle design is expanding
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that window of capacity so that you're actually more regulating. You don't need as
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many coping skills. You're actually coping more often just in your own regulation from
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that. And that's where that kind of birthed out of in this last year
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or so. So give me, give me an example specifically, So someone
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comes to you, Yeah, and we're talking about the personalized trauma healing system,
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how might they Granted everyone's going to be different, but as an example,
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how might someone present and how what are you doing with them? How
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are you working with them? Yeah? And so okay, so when they're
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coming to me, they're specifically either trauma survivors or if they don't identify as
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that. I want people to also hear that high chronic stress is also a
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way that disregulates you. Right, So not everybody associates with that name of
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being a trauma survivor, and so when they come to me, they're going,
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I need more regulation. Something's just not quite right. I'm not happy.
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I'm not waking up fulfilled. I'm not going to sleep fulfilled. You
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know, I'm just not feeling right in my body. I'm not feeling right
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in this life that I've got for myself right. And I have a couple
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of free resources on the website as well, so they can take a couple
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of quizes kind of see where they are in their lifestyle design. We sit
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down and we kind of go through a bunch of different tests, personality tests.
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I designed something called the Joy scale that's mine very similar to what other
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people might be utilizing. Personality test, the Aneagram, love languages, and
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the joy skill is showing me, I want to be able to see progress
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on your Joy scale. So if you're telling me I'm sleeping three hours a
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night because I wake up with night terrors, as a lot of trauma survivors
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do, or I have trouble going to sleep because they've got monkey mind,
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as a lot of trauma survivors, and how chronic stress people do, and
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that's something you want to work on. Or maybe it's your sexual health but
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you've had sexual trauma. Maybe it's this job that you hate, but you're
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like, oh, I kind of deserve to be in a crappy job.
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I don't even deserve to have happiness. Whatever pillars of lifestyle design they want
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to work on, that's where that client led collaborative mentality as a coach still
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stays really ingrained in me. I want people to only be working on what
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they'd want to work on, what seems out of balance for them, And
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sometimes the recommendation might be maybe this could be a hormonal thing. Have you
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checked in with your doctor, have you ever done a sleep study? Maybe
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it's sleep apnea, and then from there helping them with other tools in working
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through their trauma. So, if you're waking up with night terrors, I'm
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kind of picking on sleep right now, but we'll just go with it.
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If you're waking up with night terrors, well, we need to get to
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the core of what keeps waking you up. What is that night terror?
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Let's work on that ways that you can decompress before you go to bed in
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order to stop that monkey mind. If you are a trauma survivor and you
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just struggled. Night is a little scary for you, right, maybe that's
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the only time in your whole day that you're actually stopping and being quiet.
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So your brain's like, oh, now she's listening to us. Let's talk.
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Now, we want to start correcting some of those. And then there's
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little helpful tools and tricks like the alarm clocks that wake up like a sunshine.
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People don't recognize that they have sleep patterns. You have a seventy five
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to ninety minute sleep wave that happens. And so if your alarm clock consistently
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wakes you up out of a deep sleep and you wake up like ah,
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and you're panicked and you hear that noise and you're so groggy, your day
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starts off really actually dysregulated because now you're like, oh, running around,
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running around why because you weren't in a light enough sleep when that alarm clock
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went off and it actually jarred you out of a deep sleep. So really
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cool new tools that we have, like monitoring sleep on the wristbands to kind
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of see how you're sleeping throughout the night, using those kind of alarm clocks
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that come up like a sun bringing you into a lighter sleep before your alarm
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goes off. Literally can change the entire trajectory of your day. And as
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a trauma survivor, you waking up with energy and feeling okay about your day
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and your life and having some moments of gratitude and recentering yourself and meditating whatever
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kind of morning routine you want. My goodness, your entire day is going
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to be totally different. In case you get triggered, in case your ex
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spouse calls, in case your boss skills at you, in case it's a
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high stress day, you know your kids are bothering you, you see someone
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who reminds you of your abuse, are You're going to have more regulation because
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you started your day off totally different And you can apply that exact same strategy
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to every pillar of lifestyle design that I work with people. Social life super
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important. Having safe, close, trustworthy people changes your entire being. You
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know, having a safe place to talk like therapy or coaching emotional well being.
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Understanding your trauma financial planning finances is a big deal for trauma survivors.
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It could be that you grew up really wealthy but with no love. That
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can be a trigger for people when they start making money, they're like,
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oh gosh, now I have to abandon my family because I have to work
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so hard where they grew up in poverty and they don't really know what to
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do with money or they believe that that's what their worth is. Just being
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in a poverty state. There's a lot to work through with literally just of
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finances and helping people grow in those areas. So when people come to me,
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it's usually that they're just looking for more joy, more ease. They
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want to be able to thrive even while they're healing, because healing never ends,
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right. We're on this roller coaster of trauma healing forever until we're gone.
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Right, And so I have been able personally to tap into more ease,
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more thriving, and abundance and joy, even though I'm still in the
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thick of it. I mean, I just discovered a few new parts.
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I had a couple of repressed memories just in the last couple of months pop
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up. I'm still dealing with it, but I'm able to access a day
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joy and thriving because of lifestyle design and making sure my regulatory window is as
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wide as it possibly can be. Does that make sense? It does it
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makes me curious about you know, your own process. You just touched on
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it. You were like, I'm in the thick of this too. Yeah,
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as you've moved through not just your experiences and your trauma, but the
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work you've been doing with clients and so forth. Yeah, how have you
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changed? What have you learned about yourself that's allowed you to continue to do
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this work? Ye? Great question. I'd like to say every part of
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me has changed. I feel like the growth in the last eight years.
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If you knew me in my early twenties, you probably wouldn't even recognize me
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now. My ability and capacity to rest, to relax, to slow down.
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I have a lot of hyperactivity just even gaining tools and learning about something
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like ADHD brain and neurodivergence, which is very common among trauma survivors. Gabormante's
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new book, Oh goodness, it's over there on my bad let normal Now
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the mind's scattered minds? Is it? Scattered minds? Scattering scattered minds?
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He basically says that ADHD can be put into remission, can almost be a
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curable thing as you work through your trauma. Right, So, someone like
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me who struggles with like the go I have to go, I have to
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do, I have to be busy, or I'm not worth anything. I'm
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not going to be lovable if I don't get this done right. Things like
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that are active working things for me. So right now, to give an
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example of people, for those that are watching on the video, I've got
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a fidget spinner in my hands that I'm playing with. It helps my brain
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be able to focus on your questions and to clarify my thoughts because my hands
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are busy. When my body wants to rest, my brain wants to go.
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And when my brain wants to rest, my body wants to go.
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And so I'm actively working on this because it is so important for your nervous
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system, for your heart health, for your liver health, for your gut,
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for you to be able to rest and relax. Also to find pleasure
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things that bring you joy, you know, playing adult playing is super important
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and people neglect to that constantly. So I'm actively working on that. It's
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a little bit harder for me to play. I'm getting better at resting,
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but these are things I'm actively working on. Even in my own lifestyle.
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Pillars. Sleep is something I've kind of conquered the last couple of years.
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That took a lot of work, because again, when my body wants to
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rest, my brain wants to go, and so I would either have trouble
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going to sleep. I'd wake up in the middle of the night for some
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reason. It was always around one thirty and I'd be asleep. I'd be
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awake for two two and a half hours, and it was so annoying because
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it messes everything up. But I've really been able to conquer that by giving
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my brain more space to think during the day contemplative times. My brain really
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needs to think. I'm a big thinker. I used to be really an
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overthinker. I guess maybe my therapist would probably say I still kind of am,
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but I would say meeting myself in those places where I know I need
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work right, exercise is great for me because of the hyperspaces in my body.
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Lifting weights is great. It really makes me feel really complete and whole.
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It really gets the sweat out. I get to work through some anger
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while I'm doing it. Things like that have been really really helpful for me.
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And then I work with a ton of different practitioners as well. I'm
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so actively working through hypnotherapy. I have an IFS practitioner. I do multiple
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modalities of bodywork. I'm moving in the space of psychedelic assisted therapy and ketamine
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currently, which is a huge help for your nervous system, but it's also
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brought up things that then I can work through that I didn't even know we're
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in there because your brain is more open to change during those times of psychedelics.
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So, yeah, this space in that field with psychedelics as a consultant
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or as a client or both. I'm currently a client. It is in
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the back of my mind in the next maybe let's say five ten years,
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where I'd really like to explore becoming a facilitator, not just necessarily a sitter,
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which is which are important. There's rituals and things that are available for
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people to do, and they need sitters just to keep you safe if you
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have to get up to go to the bathroom. But for me, psychedelics
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is not a true healing work if there's not integration before, during and effort.
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And so the trauma training that I have I think is eventually moving me
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in that direction to be an integration facilitator for people utilizing psychedelics as a therapeutic.
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Yeah, just as an aside here. How was your experience doing that?
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Yeah, so far it's been great. I have been utilizing psilocybin on
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my own for I think this summer. I think it's three years now,
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this summer where I've done micro journeys, and I've done many journeys, not
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quite full full journeys because I'm on my own, and then I take the
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work and I integrate it with my therapist. The healing that has come from
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that has been so It's just it's different because it's instantaneous. It's like when
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something moves out of you. Something just wants to leave, something wants to
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complete, something wants to finish processing. It just does it and then you
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come out of it and you're just it's like as if you don't have to
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deal with that any further. The ketamine assisted therapy is something I'm just getting
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started in and this summer working on that is kind of a focus before I
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move because I have my practitioner here that I want to work with. But
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as I probably move out West, I will do different types as well.
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Ayahuasca is more of a ritualistic kind of spiritual, but the therapeutic space for
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me has been amazing because you're working through things. The ketamine also is known
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for helping with anxiety and hyperness, and I have I have made leaps and
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bounds with the ketamine that has been I didn't even know it could happened so
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quickly, just in some of the rigidity of my body that just was gone.
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When I came out, I was like, oh, where is it
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ever coming back? And sometimes these things are temper and it needs more more
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treatments, and sometimes it's just your body said, okay, so I'll give
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I'll give a quick for instance, if I have a quick second. While
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I was in the in the ketamine session, normally I talk in parts work
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because of internal family systems, almost everything I say is so I have a
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part that does this and a part that says that. But in the session,
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I said, my brain is wondering right now, and I'm in the
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shades. I've got my therapist there, and you know, I'm already out
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of the big, the big first fifteen twenty minutes of it, which is
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quite you're kind of gone, you're very associated from your body. But now
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I'm in that kind of tail that comes down. So my brain's really wondering
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as it's noticing my muscles trying to read tense. What was the default?
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Was the default relaxed or was the default supposed to be rigid? And my
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therapist says, okay, well, what's what's your answer to your brain's question?
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And I said, well, we know when babies are born there they're
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supposed to be relaxed. You know, trauma is kind of what makes you
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guard yourself and armor yourself. I have a lot of armoring and rigidity.
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And I said, yeah, I mean logically that's the default. And I
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think truthfully, in that kind of meane session, that particular brain question was
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actually my brain going okay, we're going back online, people, We're going
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back online. I've got two body types here, rigid or relaxed. Which
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is the right one? And it plugged in the right one, and so
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far, you know, months later and my whole body composition has changed,
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the armoring is lowered. So it's helpful. Thank you for sharing that.
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You know what's so refreshing about you, Sarah is you know, oftentimes we
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talk about in this field, you know, doing your own work and self
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care. But so what I find so refreshing is you're very open about your
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own process and your own challenges and what you're working through. And I can
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only imagine how engaging and welcoming that is for people who you work with.
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I love that. Yeah, I think it's such a different space for coaching
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as well, because we are so open. You know, there's a running
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joke on there's a Netflix special called Michael Tuesdays and Thursdays. He's been at
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his therapist twice a week for fifteen years. He finds out leader's therapist is
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writing a secret book about it. It's a very very funny. It's a
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short little series, maybe eight or ten episodes, and he says to his
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friend in an episode, he goes, you know, it's so weird.
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This guy knows everything about men. I I don't even know his birthday.
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And also, wouldn't it be weird if he had a birthday? And I
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went into my therapist and I told him this, and I said, it
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would be weird to me for some reason if you had a birthday, Like,
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that's so weird. But in the coaching world, we are more open
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with our personal story. It is more hands on. You know, if
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my client's going through something, I will be like, oh my god,
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I know exactly how that feels. God, I've gone through that. Now
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I'm not going to get into it in the middle of their session and then
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they're going to be caretaking me. But the ability to connect with someone relationally
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I always say, well, I guess I think everybody always says this.
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Relational trauma happens when relationships are supposed to be safe, a caretaker, someone
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who's supposed to be an authority, and they break down and they abuse that
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power that relationship, Right, Relational trauma really needs to heal inside of relationship.
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And so when I can offer bits of myself that for me allows people
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to be able to relate to me, and if they can feel safer in
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my presence because of it, it's so worth it. So yeah, thanks
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for naming that. No, all right, Sarah, we didn't even talk
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about your podcast, the Trauma or Survivor Hood Podcast, but we'll have that
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linked up here, yes, at the show notes page at the traumas podcast
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dot com. So what's the best way for people to reach out and contact
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you and learn about everything you have going on? Yeah, easiest way is
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going to be full Circle wellspring dot com. All one word, full circle
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well Spring. That has my bio on it. It has ways to work
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with me, it has info about the personalized Trauma Healing system. There's going
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to be the free quizzes that are available there. Not only if you want
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to work with me solo. There's also workshops that I offer usually monthly,
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and those are really inexpensive for an hour and a half, get some psychad
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get some nervous system education. Like this summer we're talking a lot about navigating
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difficult relationships. Just some skills and techniques right quick, little sixty ninety minute
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workshops that are available for ten to fifteen dollars per person. It's going to
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have all the info about the podcast there, all of my socials on Instagram
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and Facebook and all the things. So yeah, they can find everything there.
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Awesome. Look, so glad I reached out to you, and so
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glad you willing to come back on. Thank you so much, Sarah,
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Yeah, thank you, thank you for the work that you do. I
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wouldn't be here without Guy McPherson. So thank you so much for being who
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you are and doing what you do. Thank you well. I appreciate you
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saying that, all right, and thank you Bye bye. Mai E Doman Common