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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger's Childhood Friend And His Interview With Fox News · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. One
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  Speaker 1: thing that has remained constant since Brian Koberger's arrest is
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  Speaker 1: that when people talk about their relationship with Coburger in
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  Speaker 1: the past, they all say the same stuff when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to his feelings about women. And now, in a
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  Speaker 1: new episode of Fox Nation, there's a friend of Brian
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  Speaker 1: Coberger's who's dropping a dime on Coburger's behavior from the
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  Speaker 1: time when this friend used to hang out with him.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just dive right into this article from Fox
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  Speaker 1: News and let's see what this friend of Brian Koberger's
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  Speaker 1: has to say. Headlined Brian Koberger's former friend speaks out,
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  Speaker 1: tells Fox Nation murder suspect was frustrated towards women. Brian
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  Speaker 1: Koberger's middle school friend describes as frustrated feelings towards women,
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  Speaker 1: tendency to get aggressive when drunk. This article was authored
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  Speaker 1: by Amanda Kapelli, and all of that tracks with what
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  Speaker 1: we have learned previously. And when you look at the
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  Speaker 1: profile overall of Brian Coberger, it certainly does seem that
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  Speaker 1: he has problems with women. When you listen to what
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  Speaker 1: his students had to say, then you hear all these
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  Speaker 1: different stories from all the people that have known him
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  Speaker 1: throughout his life. What other conclusion are we to come to?
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  Speaker 1: Trials don't always dive into the psychology of what makes
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  Speaker 1: a killer a killer. Now, former prosecutor and crime expert
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace aims to discover who Idaho murder suspect Brian
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  Speaker 1: Coberger really is in her new Fox Nation special. Brian Cooberger,
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  Speaker 1: I am blank. Now, look, I'm not a gigantic fan
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  Speaker 1: of Nancy Grace at all, and a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: for me has to do with the whole Top Mom stuff.
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  Speaker 1: But what I will say is she does dig into
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  Speaker 1: some of these topics and get some information that we
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  Speaker 1: might not have had otherwise. So I'll definitely tip my
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  Speaker 1: cap to her for that. But the whole entire Top
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  Speaker 1: Mom ordeal turn me off to Nancy Grace and her programming.
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace revisited Coburger's middle school days and the Nancy
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  Speaker 1: Grace Investigates exclusive, during which guests from the Idaho quadruple
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  Speaker 1: murder suspects passed sit down on camera for the first time.
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  Speaker 1: And it's always good to get some insight from people
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  Speaker 1: who knew Brian Coberger or anybody that we're talking about,
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  Speaker 1: because it helps provide more context to the situation overall,
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  Speaker 1: and for me, context is the key. How are you
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  Speaker 1: going to understand any of this stuff if it's out
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  Speaker 1: of context. Coberger's former friend Jack Bayliss told Fox Nation
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  Speaker 1: that the two would often discuss women and how they
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  Speaker 1: felt frustrated with the dating scene. Bayliss said women would
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  Speaker 1: ghost them, an online phenomenon where users are ignored with
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  Speaker 1: little to no explanation. Well, you have to actually be
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  Speaker 1: talking to somebody before they ghost you. And I'm guessing
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  Speaker 1: most women that Brian Cooberger was contacting, we're not swiping right.
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  Speaker 1: Clinical police and forensic psychologist doctor Chris Mohandi weighs in,
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  Speaker 1: explaining that frustration is a common feeling for in cels
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  Speaker 1: or involuntary celibate, often online young men. And there's been
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  Speaker 1: a lot of talk about Coburger being an in cell
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  Speaker 1: And when you read all these accounts and you hear
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  Speaker 1: from all these people that knew him, and you hear
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  Speaker 1: about how much he disdained women, or at the very
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  Speaker 1: least dislike them, What are we supposed to think? What
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  Speaker 1: are we supposed to take from that, and then to
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  Speaker 1: find out all these years later that he's alleged to
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  Speaker 1: have killed three women and one man. Yeah, I would
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  Speaker 1: say that where there's some smoke, there's probably some fire.
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  Speaker 1: Three of the four victims that Coburger allegedly killed were women.
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  Speaker 1: All were University of Idaho students stabbed to death. In
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  Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty two, Coburger was arrested on four
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  Speaker 1: accounts of first degree murder and there's one count of
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  Speaker 1: felony burglary while studying toward a PhD in criminology. And
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  Speaker 1: of course the fact that he was an educated guy
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  Speaker 1: who was studying for his PhD has just added to
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  Speaker 1: the mystery surrounding this whole entire thing. Why would a
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  Speaker 1: guy that's at this level and almost achieving his dreams
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  Speaker 1: do something like this? That's the question that I think
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  Speaker 1: everybody once answered. Why did this happen? Coburger's trial is
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  Speaker 1: on pause after attorneys waved his right to a speedy trial.
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  Speaker 1: They said they needed more time to create a defense.
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  Speaker 1: The Fox Nation special also shows that Coburger would message
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  Speaker 1: his friend that he's been depressed for so long he
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  Speaker 1: developed a weird sense of meaning. The friend also offered
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  Speaker 1: that Coburger would get aggressive when drunk and that his
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  Speaker 1: friends would have to hide his car keys. Additionally, Baylis
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  Speaker 1: suggested Coburger would do other sketchy drugs. Now we know
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  Speaker 1: that he had a heroin addiction, and allegedly he had
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  Speaker 1: kicked that heroin addiction previously, but other sketchy drugs we
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  Speaker 1: really haven't heard too much about that. Coberger reportedly kicked
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  Speaker 1: a heroin addiction before pursuing his criminal justice degree. He
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  Speaker 1: also faced charges in twenty fourteen for trying to sell
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  Speaker 1: his sister's iPhone allegedly while abusing heroin at just nineteen
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  Speaker 1: years old. And that's a pretty common thing to occur.
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  Speaker 1: Somebody has a drug addiction, they're living with, their family
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  Speaker 1: or whoever. They'll steal something and try and sell it
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  Speaker 1: to get those drugs. And it doesn't matter that it's
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  Speaker 1: a family member or somebody that they love. The drugs
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  Speaker 1: are that powerful. Despite the revelations, Nancy Grace told America's
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  Speaker 1: Newsroom Tuesday that any alleged alcohol or drug use will
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  Speaker 1: likely not be used as a defense in his trial.
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  Speaker 1: Now why would it, Oh, he was drunk at the time,
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  Speaker 1: So what nobody told him to drink that beer. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: he was high at the time, So what nobody told
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  Speaker 1: him to shoot heroin? So that as a defense is
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  Speaker 1: ridiculous on it. One victim's father, Steve Gonsalvis, told Fox
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  Speaker 1: News Digital last week that Coburger is receiving special treatment
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  Speaker 1: in jail. He said, I've been informed that his pre
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  Speaker 1: trial privileges, like his five suits, video and computer special
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  Speaker 1: treatment and his vegan meals are unprecedented in the history
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho. And we've heard reports obviously now from the
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  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office in News Nation that said that those reports
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  Speaker 1: about Coburger getting special treatment are untrue. And obviously I
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  Speaker 1: can't confirm one way or the other who's telling the
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  Speaker 1: truth here, but my guess is it's somewhere in the middle.
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  Speaker 1: This is such a high profile case that the state
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  Speaker 1: of Idaho and the prison system in Idaho, they don't
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  Speaker 1: want to take the chance of causing an issue or
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  Speaker 1: creating a stir. The sheriff did not respond to a
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  Speaker 1: request for comment. Gonsalves's daughter, Kaylee Gonsalves, was found dead
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  Speaker 1: alongside her lifelong best friend and housemate Madison Mogan, in
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  Speaker 1: the latter's third floor bedroom at their rental house on
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  Speaker 1: King Road, just steps off the college campus. On the
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  Speaker 1: second floor, police found their housemate, Xana Kernodle and her
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend Ethan Shapin, and all four had been stabbed to
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  Speaker 1: death according to the county coroner. And in the wake
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  Speaker 1: of the coroner coming out and talking about what happened,
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  Speaker 1: there was some thought that the coroner was giving more
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  Speaker 1: information than they should have been giving, and the same
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  Speaker 1: was said about the autopsy. So there has been a
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  Speaker 1: lot of contention from the very beginning when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to Brian Colberger and it comes to this case. We
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  Speaker 1: know that Steve Gonsalvez, the father of Kaylee, has had
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  Speaker 1: a contentious relationship with the authorities in Moscow from the
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  Speaker 1: very beginning, and that doesn't seem like it has changed
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  Speaker 1: throughout this whole entire investigation. Coburger has been held without
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  Speaker 1: bail at the Latah County Jail in Moscow, Idaho, since
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  Speaker 1: January that he waived his right to a speedy trial.
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  Speaker 1: That stay is certainly going to be extended because we're
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  Speaker 1: going to have a ways to go here as they
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  Speaker 1: figure everything out, as we move forward to try and
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  Speaker 1: get to a destination that includes a concrete trial day,
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  Speaker 1: and all of that is going to hinge on the
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  Speaker 1: decisions made by Judge Judge in these upcoming hearings. So
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  Speaker 1: we know that the hearing on Friday was postponed, and
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  Speaker 1: it was postponed because there was an illness. Now we
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  Speaker 1: still haven't heard anything about that illness as far as
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  Speaker 1: who was sick or what led to this getting postponed,
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  Speaker 1: but one thing's for sure, somebody was sick and because
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  Speaker 1: of that, the proceedings have now been delayed until October
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  Speaker 1: twenty sixth. And even though it's delayed, that doesn't mean
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  Speaker 1: that other things aren't happening. It's just that set of
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  Speaker 1: proceedings and that hearing for those certain arguments. Other things
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  Speaker 1: are happening behind the scenes, and there's certainly other arguments
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  Speaker 1: being heard by the judge. And that's why it's so
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  Speaker 1: important to stay once step ahead with those court documents
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  Speaker 1: and trying to stay on top of them because they
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  Speaker 1: provide us with a blueprint in a case with a
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  Speaker 1: lot of secrecy. So if you stay on top of
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  Speaker 1: those coret documents, you can really keep an eye on
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  Speaker 1: what's going on as far as which way things are trending.
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  Speaker 1: And what to expect inside of the courtroom. Now, it's
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  Speaker 1: not a full on look behind the curtain, but it
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  Speaker 1: certainly offers us a blueprint to follow along with. And
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  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, it has been a very valuable
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  Speaker 1: tool to help keep things in perspective here as far
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  Speaker 1: as the investigation and as long as that gag order
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  Speaker 1: remains over this case, the court documents will continue to
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  Speaker 1: provide a blueprint to what's going on behind the scenes.
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  Speaker 1: And you can guarantee that we're going to continue to
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  Speaker 1: dive into those core documents as they come out. As
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  Speaker 1: far as Coburger being an insel, look, your guess is
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  Speaker 1: as good as mine. I don't know. I'm not a psychologist.
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  Speaker 1: I've never sat down with the dude, never talked to
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  Speaker 1: But all of the signs are there. And if everybody
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  Speaker 1: keeps telling us that he is, the people that knew him,
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  Speaker 1: and especially when you roll that all up with what
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  Speaker 1: he's accused of, I would say that there's a good
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  Speaker 1: possibility that psychologically speaking, Brian Kolberger could be classified as
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  Speaker 1: an insell. One thing I can guarantee you is that
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  Speaker 1: he's a suspected murderer and he's going to face twelve
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  Speaker 1: jurors for his alleged crimes, and we're gonna be there
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  Speaker 1: every step of the way. All right, folks, that's gonna
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  Speaker 1: do it for this one. If you'd like to contact me,
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  Speaker 1: you can do that at Bobby Kopuchi at ProtonMail dot com.
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