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Elisabeth de France and the Holy Guillotine: Part I · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome to season five, episode 13.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_00: Part one.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_00: Part one, thank you.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god, I forgot the part one.
• 0:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:16
  SPEAKER_00: You never forget the art the part one.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: I even wrote it, well, I actually did it.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Can't read your writing, that's why.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_00: You're right, you're right.
• 0:23
  SPEAKER_00: But it is the season finale.
• 0:25
  SPEAKER_00: Part one.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: What was that?
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Dun dun.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like some like theatrical.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_00: You're trying to do like dun dun dun, but like a little different.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: A little like mashup of that.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Do I smell like garlic powder?
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know, because I probably do too.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: I was making guacamole.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I just wanted to sprinkle a little bit of garlic powder in there.
• 0:45
  SPEAKER_01: And of course, like, dump, and like the cap came off, and like it all dumped in there.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: And we ate it anyways, like disgusting.
• 0:52
  SPEAKER_00: I thought that was pretty good.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: I love garlic.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: My mouth is just like permeating in like garlic right now.
• 0:58
  SPEAKER_00: Then she goes, Don't worry, I also have bean dip.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, Well, it's just canned refined beans that I put in a cup.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh I I'm like really not on, especially for finale night.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so sorry.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_01: I also like made frozen pizza, but that like overcooked and was chewy, and I just like I can't even make the like simple stuff, evidently, today.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just like really struggling.
• 1:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's not bad.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I think we've mentioned this before on our show, but it's funny at the beginning of the season, like we get so excited to like jump in a new season that we literally like each of us preset menus.
• 1:35
  SPEAKER_00: So like you even sent me like a full menu one time.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was like I think I did a beautiful like graphic that was made like on Canva or something.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was like this beautiful Canva graphic of like it was like appetizer, entree, dessert, and like wine of the evening.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, wow.
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know if I've ever made one for you.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_00: In my head, I have, maybe not in real life.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe you planned it in your head.
• 1:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think I planned it in my head.
• 1:56
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't actually do it.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_00: But we we just get so excited that we really go like all out on these episodes.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: And then by the end of the season, we're like, hey, you want chips and dip or like frozen pizza?
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: I've got frozen pizza with refried beans.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_01: Take it back.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: Drinking wine from a box.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh my god, you aren't supposed to tell them this.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: This is boxed wine.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: I discovered the the like amazing benefits of boxed wine.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: This is genius, actually.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm kind of into it.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_00: It's not bad.
• 2:25
  SPEAKER_00: It stays fresh for like five or six weeks, it says.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Set it on the end of the table.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_01: Or as you want, it's like a little drinking fountain.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_00: And it's more like sustainable because it's just like a box and a bag, you know, you know, the bottles to recycle it.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: Discreet.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_00: It's very discreet.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: You can't tell it's actually wine.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_00: And it's called Black's Box, which is like could be anything.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like, and it's named after you.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, you're right.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: You did try to try to write my name on the box.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, Elizabeth Box.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_00: You like that?
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, so I we got this.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't buy this, to be clear.
• 2:58
  SPEAKER_00: We had family visit.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_00: It's inherited to us.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like family visited, ordered this just to like have in their hotel room, and then when they left, they're like, yo, just like take this box home.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, okay.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I told Megan, I was like, well, if you don't have wine already, which you did, you were prepared with wine.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I'm just gonna bring this box so we could kill it.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_00: And we're like, wait, this is the best one.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_01: It still keeps going.
• 3:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we don't know how much is in the box.
• 3:20
  SPEAKER_01: We just keep pouring and it keeps coming.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_01: So I kind of like it.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's bottomless black box wine.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um, should we take bets on at what point in this episode we get drunk?
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: Will I spill red wine on my white shirt?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_01: I never wear I never wear white for reasons.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_00: You're right.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Is this the first time you're wearing this shirt?
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: Because it looks very clean.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_01: It is.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's going down.
• 3:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's going down.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_00: You're gonna get makeup, like wine, you're gonna get stuff on it.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna get something on it.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_01: But I think by like I think before the 37 minute mark.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, over under 37 minutes?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_00: I'll take the under on that.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: Alright.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it's on.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: You can take pets at home.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, it's been a while.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_00: Sorry.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: Why has it been a while, Megan?
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Not anything I've done.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: You've been off running marathons and shit.
• 4:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_00: Before we get to that, it's because we had to retract our last episode.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I don't want to talk about it.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_01: It is the cringiest.
• 4:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let me let me be fair.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's not that it was unedited.
• 4:28
  SPEAKER_01: It was I edited it.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: I edited it.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_00: Edited it.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it was proper.
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_01: But there was a okay, actually, this is gonna be like a little cliffhanger.
• 4:39
  SPEAKER_01: This is like you have to listen to it.
• 4:40
  SPEAKER_01: This is like Megan's version.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's a little bit different this time.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_01: So at the beginning of the episode, we were a little bit catty and we were anonymously talking about a situation that was a little gossipy.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_01: And I had it all fixed and perfect, and I reached out to Elizabeth and I said, Do you want to leave this in here?
• 5:03
  SPEAKER_01: It sounds pretty rude.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean, we all do it, right?
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: It wasn't anything bad.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we forget on the podcast that like a lot of our friends do listen.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Friends and friends of you know people.
• 5:17
  SPEAKER_00: So like we try to keep things anonymous, like we'll won't use names, or we'll say, like, oh, a family member, or this.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_00: And then sometimes that person definitely knows, and then they're like, Did you just talk about me?
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: And some people like the shout-outs, like, you know, it's whatever.
• 5:31
  SPEAKER_01: But um, anyway, so we're like, eh, let's just like take it out.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I went back in and I took that part out.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_01: But for whatever happened, yeah, everything got shifted in a weird way.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: So if you heard the raw version of stuff of us being like, oh damn, like I kind of ooh, let's redo that part, or there were some glitches.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: And so Elizabeth reaches out, she's like, Megan, there's like a lot of mistakes in here.
• 5:54
  SPEAKER_01: And then she's like, Oh my god, I think it's the whole episode.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: And it had been up for like a week.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_01: And I was like, oh my god, that moment of cringe, of like, no, something happened with the new re-edit.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_01: So if you go back, the new one one month later is live, and it is you we we uh re-added in the caddy shit because it's not we did.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: We it's not that it's us, it's us, it's not that's just like let's just like that's the thing, like the fact that you saw the raw version, or I mean listen to the raw version, it's really not like there's not a lot that we edit out.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: It's no pretty much like some errors or I stutter or something.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that episode had a lot of pronunciation issues, which we you guys know we have that anyway, but occasionally we'll like start off speaking about something and we're like, all right, let me just start that again because the pronunciation Yeah, sometimes we want to re- Oh, sorry, hit my mic.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_01: Sometimes we want to like restart something, or yeah, um, but it's the Sikhism episode, it's the last of the gurus.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_01: So if you listen to it and now you're like really interested, like well, what do they say?
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_01: Go back and re-listen right and get it right, and so we won't you won't hear the mistakes and I'm sorry, and it'll never happen again.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad we caught it.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: And like again, you I did, but but you know, because Megan edits I'll I'll try to listen within the week that it's released.
• 7:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I'm I try to do the same day.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it's tough depending on my schedule, because it's not like I'm just like chilling at home, popping on a podcast.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I do it when I commute or I run or whatever.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_00: So that one did take a while for me to see, and then I was like, oh, that was a weird transition, and then I just kept seeing them throughout, and I was like, Oh, I think something happened.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_01: All of the brakes got shifted.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_01: And so that's okay.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_01: And so I was like procrastinating on fixing it because I didn't want to go back and listen to it.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't want to go back and like relive the cringe that I posted an episode with so many mistakes on it.
• 7:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but it's finally out.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_00: I finally did it.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: The best part was when I came over today, I was like, okay, Megan, like, did you you reposted that episode that we had to re-edit, right?
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, no.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Megan! I was like, I thought that'd come up today.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, yeah, I was like, do you just want to end the podcast?
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: Is this it?
• 8:03
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we're just done, you don't want to redo the episode.
• 8:05
  SPEAKER_00: And she's like, fine, like, I'll do it now.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_00: So she pulled it up.
• 8:08
  SPEAKER_00: It took her like five minutes, and then she's like, I guess I could have done that.
• 8:13
  SPEAKER_01: I guess that wasn't so bad.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: I really just reposted the original version that was right with the caddy.
• 8:20
  SPEAKER_01: With the caddy story in it.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Um, what have you been up to?
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've just been sitting in my own cringe of of despair and embarrassment.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_01: It happens to the best of us.
• 8:31
  SPEAKER_01: The comment section of the Instagram post when I had to announce this error of sorts, right?
• 8:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're kind of funny.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_01: Like one friend, uh, great podcast, Secret Police Podcast, which you should listen to.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_01: He's like, eh, it happens to the best of us.
• 8:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, okay.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: And then someone else goes, haven't you done this before?
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, oh god, I have.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_01: Stop picking on Megan.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not perfect.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: None of us are perfect.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I've been doing that.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_00: What have you been doing?
• 9:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_00: Well, how do I follow that up?
• 9:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, no, I I just ran another marathon.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: Which, okay, I won't bore you guys with details because like I try to run three every spring.
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_00: This year I'm only running one.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: Good job.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm actually proud.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_01: So normally people congratulate, wow, you've done so many.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: And now we're like, good job.
• 9:18
  SPEAKER_01: Just give yourself some rest.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: I like I had a little toe injury thing, so I was like, I only dedicated myself to one this year.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe I thought of two or three, but I was like, you know what?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: But I went to uh Cordeline, Idaho, and that was a fucking boring town.
• 9:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry if we're from there.
• 9:36
  SPEAKER_00: Dude, I don't know if we just hit it on a bad weekend, but like I was expecting it was Memorial Day.
• 9:42
  SPEAKER_00: Do I need to edit out this catty section of caddy?
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: Here's my cattiness coming out.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: Just kidding.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: No, say your thoughts.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Let me let's hear about Cordeline, Idaho.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: This needs to be heard because we it was Memorial Day weekend, so we went expecting it to be like, you know, fun in the sun, kind of splashing around the lake, everyone's out.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And like, yes, it wasn't great weather, like it was probably in the low 60s, a little chilly.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and it like it's very much a ski destination as well, so I think we just kind of hit it like in between seasons, but nonetheless, it's still Memorial Day weekend.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: You would still think people plan to be there.
• 10:18
  SPEAKER_00: And like our first night, we were like pumped walking around the town, being like, which bars are we going to?
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: And there was like two people in each bar.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: And we were just like, we kept asking like locals, like servers and shopkeepers, and we're like, What's there to do here?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, everything's closed, like shops were closed, restaurants were closed.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: There was just like not that much going on.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: What do you end up doing?
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we ate a few meals in the places that were open.
• 10:44
  SPEAKER_00: We like walked around a lot, drove around a lot.
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_00: We went up to Sand Point, which is like a half hour north, to went up to Mike Schweitzer, tried to hike, couldn't find a lot of hiking.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, there was literally like no people anywhere.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: It was like post post-apocalypse feeling, like no one was anywhere.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_00: And like people who were there that saw us like shopkeepers, like, oh, like a customer.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: Customer.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_01: What's your hurry?
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I was just a little swingy todd there.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 11:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I it was just a very odd feeling.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: We had a great time because we just made it a great time.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_00: Like you know, we just did what we could, but and the race was actually very beautiful.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: The course itself, like gorgeous, all on the lake, like kind of hilly, but you know, average, average pace for me, not good, not bad.
• 11:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and that was kind of it.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: What number marathon is this for you?
• 11:32
  SPEAKER_00: That was number 20.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wow.
• 11:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I officially graduated from 15.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I know.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's okay.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: And again, I was excited because I thought like this year I could knock out 20, 21, 22, and then next year would be like 23, 24, 25, and I'd be halfway.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, they're okay.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: You're still not a young chicken.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: You're fine.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Also, it's really it's funny that you say it was low 60s.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: That is a 50 degree difference than how it is in Scottsdale.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_01: It's like right now.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: It is so hot.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_00: We literally because I'm trying to wear sweaters throughout this podcast season, and this is just so committed.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate it, but we have to turn the AC off so it's not recording in the background.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: And um, a little sweaty.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, well, you don't at least don't have sleeves on.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: I am literally in this black giant sweater.
• 12:22
  SPEAKER_00: It's hot.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's cute.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fine.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be okay.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: I won't pass out.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: I know it's it's 111 degrees today, and Elizabeth comes up to my front door wearing this black sweatshirt and black shoes, yeah, and long jeans.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: And then we bring in our table because we transport it between local houses.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: And this table was so hot.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like scolding.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: We couldn't, when we set it up in here, I was like, we can't set anything on it yet.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna like boil our wine.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like literally, like, yeah, we couldn't touch anything.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like, even the cloth, because the cloth was sitting in my car too.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: And like, even just putting this on, it was like warm, like hot laundry, you know?
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, geez, it's and it's only beginning of June.
• 13:05
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's gonna get worse.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's so much hotter this year.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: It's gonna get worse.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: We gotta, you know what we gotta do is we have to buy like another property up north.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_01: I thought you were gonna say like two tables that we don't have to transport.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, like, oh, just another house.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_01: We need another house.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_01: We can make it our podcasting house.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I'm saying.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, it'll bug us.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll leave the dogs like at home.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_01: Have like weaponry in there, and the boys can go away and yeah, boys can do whatever they want in the hot, hot heat of the desert.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_00: We should think about that.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I am.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_00: I've actually been looking, man.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: I need something.
• 13:40
  SPEAKER_00: I can't do another summer.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's hot.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: Last summer was really hot.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: This summer's I'll go in with you.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, let's do it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_00: We can all live together.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: The boys are gonna love that.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: Like, what?
• 13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, season finale.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: We've we've we've had a tradition with season finales.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, they're always two parts.
• 14:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 14:01
  SPEAKER_01: We try to do a big one.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: We've done a lot of big ones that could have been season finales throughout the room.
• 14:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm thinking of so many people we've done that could have been its own.
• 14:12
  unknown: Yes.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_01: But we we every season finale has been tutors.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_01: Mary Queen of Scots.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: Which would you count her as uh Tudor?
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it was like Elizabeth had her executed.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess that could be.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um and she was executed on in England.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, okay.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_01: And then Anne Boleyn.
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_01: Anne Boleyn.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Jane Gray.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Jane Gray.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: Thomas More.
• 14:35
  SPEAKER_01: Cromwell, you're right.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: It was Thomas Cromwell.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_01: We did do a Thomas More.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: We did Thomas.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: See, Thomas More could have probably been a season finale, but we did Thomas Cromwell.
• 14:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: But this one I like because it is still a big part of history that we've covered a few times, but it's a different person that we're not used to, like we've never heard of before.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: And personally, I I love her story because I think she's yeah, I love her.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: I love her, and I it's another her.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm excited to share her with our listeners tonight because no one knows about her.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know about her.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think she's a very important person just in this era of like opulence and excess of Versailles during the French Revolution.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: Another French Revolution.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_01: We can't get enough French Revolution.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_01: No, ever.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and there's a few big players during the French Revolution who've been executed.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I think she is unspoken.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_01: And the more that we were just learning about her, and you can kind of gauge how long episodes can be based on how many pages of notes you're writing with your tiny scribble of a writing.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_01: Which you've finished your notebook.
• 15:42
  SPEAKER_01: Almost.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_01: Just enough for The Last of Her.
• 15:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, good.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but you were like, this is enough for two episodes, I think.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so so who are we gonna just to recap what we've done before the French Revolution.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: So obviously, our very first episode was Marie Antoinette.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: We redid Marie Antoinette in a different episode because we wanted to do her a little more justice.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_00: And then we also did an episode on King Louis XVI.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: So they're very important to look at individually because on this show we look at the person in our life.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: There was the scientist dude.
• 16:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_00: You're really tested my memory here.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: His name.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_00: During the French Revolution?
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_01: Lavoier Lavoisier.
• 16:31
  SPEAKER_00: Antoine Lavoisier.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: Lavoisier, you got the French, right?
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: Lavoisier, the French nobleman who's a chemist.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, the the cutting-edge chemist.
• 16:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, during the reign of nice nice.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_01: So we've done what?
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_01: So we've done one, two, three, technically.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: So this will be our fifth French ref.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_01: We're balancing out the French with the tutor history stuff.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: So we're giving that some shine.
• 16:53
  SPEAKER_00: We have more.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: And you're going to France, aren't you?
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to France too.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: Oh no, you're going to London.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: No, I'm not going to France.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: I haven't even shared that.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to London.
• 17:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to London like two weeks.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: Did we say that yet?
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_01: No, I haven't even said that.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to London.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_01: She's gonna go see T Swift in London.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna go see the Air's Tour in London at Wembley Stadium.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty dope.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, with my girl Lisa.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_01: Cheers.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_01: And our husbands and her daughter, but only three of us are going to the show.
• 17:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then we're gonna go to who's not going to the show?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um her husband and daughter.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh and then we're going to Amsterdam, and then we're gonna go to Germany, which I'm excited to get German content for everyone because we're staying.
• 17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I'm like, everyone's like, it's the damn execution, but this is important.
• 17:42
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you won't be getting to that till the end of the day.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_01: Just wait, just wait here.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone's like, God, I gotta fast forward now.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're staying in her family, like where she's from in her family, in Darmstadt, Germany, which is known for like their execution sites.
• 17:57
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds like a uh wizarding world school.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_01: Uh-huh.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_01: And the actually what's funny is that's where all the princesses would go for like their trainings, I guess.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like in the house of Holbein, yeah.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_01: They'd go to Darmstadt.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_01: And um the hotel I'm staying at is like overlooking like the execution site.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll get contact.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: You're going to Paris.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: I am.
• 18:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm taking my mom and my sister to Paris, not till the end of the year.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll be into our next season, and I can tell you guys why the Paris trip.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Continue to work on your French.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: So you are responsible for our translations.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna do my best.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I am almost, almost, I'm like more like 30% of the way through my French course.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm like 30% fluent, I guess.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: That's great.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I can get us around, I can order, do things like that.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: Happy.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but yeah, and then we're gonna go to like South of France, and we're gonna end our trip in like Genoa, Italy.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: So stay tuned for all of our international travels.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, so for most of the time.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: I still haven't said her name.
• 18:58
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: It's only been 20 minutes, they're fine.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: This woman deserves an episode, and her name is Elizabeth of France.
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: Elizabeth de France.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_00: So easy to remember that.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 19:10
  SPEAKER_01: Elizabeth, I love it.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um who is she?
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Who is she?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: She, just to put it very bluntly, but we're gonna get into her whole story.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: She's actually the sister of King Louis XVI.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: So we've done a whole episode on King Louis XVI.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_00: Look it up if you haven't uh listened to it yet.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: That was actually a very funny episode.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Was it?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: We make fun of his shortcomings, if you know what I mean.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um but Elizabeth has a very unique story herself.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna just jump in.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: This part one is mostly gonna be about early life, who she was in court, like kind of rising up to be an adult, like what happened with her marriage prospects and things like that once she was of age.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then we're gonna kind of end it with the beginning of the French Revolution.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So part two is gonna be where you see French Revolution, and obviously, this is an execution podcast.
• 20:04
  SPEAKER_00: Get into execution.
• 20:05
  SPEAKER_01: And guaranteed the listeners for number two are gonna be higher than one.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it's talk about this every time.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone jumps to part two.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: No one's interested in part.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta know about the person to make it more impactful.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_00: Should we give you like an Uber Eats code at the end of part one so you guys can actually listen to this, damn it?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: I have an Instacart code you can use.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, we'll save it for the end of part one.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: Alright, so let's jump into Elizabeth of France and her early life.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: So Elizabeth was born Elizabeth Philippe Marie Helene of France.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: I did not know that.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, her old, that's her full name.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: That's a whole name.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: I thought she was just Elizabeth.
• 20:43
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, she's got a lot of names.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: I should add some more names to my name.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: You should.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: I had some cool ones in there.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_00: Philippina.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_00: Megina.
• 20:56
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, so she was born on May 3rd, 1764, in Versailles.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, she also was known as Madame Elizabeth.
• 21:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and uh she was actually the youngest of all of the siblings.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: So Louis the uh 16th was the eldest sibling, and then there was also uh a few others, a few, there was like eight children total.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, this is this era, so kids die.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: But you had Louis Auguste, who is the King Louis XVI.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: Then you had Louis Stantislas.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: Again, I don't know what the heck that is.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's not quite French sounding to me, but he was the Count of Province.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: You had Charles Philippe, who was the Count of Antonis.
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: I can't read my handwriting, and then you had another um sister, Marie uh Clotilde of France.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: So those were the siblings, and she was the youngest of all of them, at least again, the surviving siblings.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and her parents were the uh Louis Dauphin of France, and then the Duchess Maria Sophia of Saxony.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um So her father died very early.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: She was only one year old at the time, which again, because she's the youngest, she's probably hasn't never even known her parents.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: So in 1765, her father dies of tuberculosis.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: And his her brother, Louis XVI, then ascends the throne.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then shortly after, when she's not even three years old, her mother dies, also of tuberculosis, in 1767.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: So all of their kids are orphaned at this point.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: And Louis the 16th is how old was he when he ascended the throne?
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, what, like 15?
• 22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was like a teenager.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he was he was married at that point when he came to the throne.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he was already married to Marie Antoinette.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: Mm-hmm.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they were they were very much children.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: And if you've ever seen the Sophia Coppola movie, they're bare they're like, God help us.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're we're kids basically.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Even though they look like they're in their like mid-20s to late late 20s in that movie.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: I think Kristen Kirsten Dunce was like 30 in the movie.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: She's playing like a 14-year-old.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: I wish.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_00: Could you imagine it being cast right now?
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like, so you're gonna be 14.
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_00: 14.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Adds some blush.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: Don't worry, your hair will be gray by the end of the movie.
• 23:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so so her early life, all she knows is really um her governess and her sister, because her governess kind of takes over and you know is in control of her education along with her sister.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: So the governess is Madame de Monson, um, and she's the governess to her, and uh, and I'm gonna I hope if I say her name right, but it's Clotilda.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds like an STD.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: I know, I hate saying it.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Chlotilda.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: Should we call her Chloe?
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, I don't know.
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I just I hate the name.
• 23:34
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to change her name.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: Clotilda.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_00: Clotilda.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: Stop.
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_01: Stop.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_01: Let's call her Chloe.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Can we do that?
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: I know that's not her name.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_01: Sorry, I know that's not her name.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_01: Chloe.
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_01: How about Chloe?
• 23:45
  SPEAKER_00: Chloe's good.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: Chloe is a nickname.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_00: So Sister Chloe.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: Clotilda.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: Megan.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_00: Did a name like my next dog that your next dog?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: Penny Penelope Grace.
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: Chloe.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: Last name till.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_01: Get over here.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: I hate it.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_00: I hate it so much.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: I don't I don't know what kind of French name that is.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: Are there clotildas out there still?
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: Like, is that still a popular name?
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: So um, so it's just her and Clotilda growing up under the same government.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Chloe.
• 24:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but they were very dissimilar in personality.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like when they were young girls, they were not like you don't you wouldn't confuse them, let's just say.
• 24:29
  SPEAKER_00: Their temperament was very different.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: So Chloe, our girl Chloe, was very happy and kind of just like directionless.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: Like you could easily guide her and kind of coax her into things.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: She was just like a happy-go-lucky kid, you know, no real issues with her.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: As it should be as a child.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Elizabeth, on the other hand, was, and she's the youngest daughter, right?
• 24:49
  SPEAKER_00: So you would think she would be the one that's a little more like, woo, or whatever.
• 24:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: But um, Elizabeth was proud, inflexible, impatient, very passionate about her views, stubborn, and she was she even like kind of refused to do her studies.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: She said at one point that, quote unquote, there were all there were always people whose duty it was to think for princes.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: So she's basically a little entitled there.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's like, Well, why would I study?
• 25:17
  SPEAKER_00: Like, we hire people to like think for us, so we we don't need to study.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: Like, pretty bold like opinion for a young girl.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_01: And I wonder where she got all of this from because it's not like her parents were around to to formulate this thinking for her.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: And she really was only under her governess, but her governess was also raising her sister, and the governess very much favored the sister.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: So, where did this attitude come from?
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_01: She was, yeah, spacey.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_01: A little saucy there.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_01: I do like the the term inflexible though.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_01: Inflexible.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_01: Inflexible.
• 25:50
  SPEAKER_00: A lot more women need to be inflexible.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think.
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're known for being too flexible.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: Let's bring back some of the inflexibility.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_01: Don't be so accommodating all the time.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: Be inflexible.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_01: Be passionate about it.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna start using them in like my performance reviews at work.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm inflexible on certain matters.
• 26:07
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, well, there's the door.
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you won't be getting a good raise.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 26:13
  SPEAKER_00: Unfortunately, that's the way of the world, but I do like it.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_00: Keep it between us.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and their studies included geography, history, religion.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: Um, all and actually, Elizabeth was very good at math, science, and philosophy.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_00: She also learned how to play the harp.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: She's a very good harp.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting for someone who like doesn't want to learn.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: Like, someone will tell me what to say.
• 26:35
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_01: But then she's good at math and science.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was, yeah, I think she was a very logical thinker in that way.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_00: Like she was like, well, why would I study?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_00: Like I had people to do that for me, but because of that same mindset, she's naturally good at just like black and white thinking, you know, and I think it really kind of she didn't, like, you know, again, wasn't a person who would sit there and study for a long time, but I think that stuff came naturally for her.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and we'll get into kind of those uh, I guess, nuances about her personality, like a lot of what she believes and thinks is a little bit contradictory at times.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: I I while we were learning about her, I had to keep like, I'm like, hold on.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she believes this, but how come she believes this as well?
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_01: She's a little bit um flip floppy.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: Is that the proper term for that?
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: I guess when you think of her again, underlying philosophy, it kind of makes sense, but it would appear to some people that some of the doctrines she adheres to doesn't quite gel together.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anyway, but but so that was kind of her her youth with her sister.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then again, um her governess, Madame de Maison, very much preferred Chloe to the sisters to the point where it actually caused like a rift between the sisters.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Like they became very competitive, kind of jealous of each other.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and again, Elizabeth was just kind of like, dude, I don't even want to be here.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: She was smart, good at her studies, but she didn't want to study, and she was like, I don't even like I don't even like this governess who clearly like likes my sister more.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: Um, which happens between sisters, you know.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_00: Sisters, uh you know, they fight.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: We both have sisters.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: We do.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yours is older, mine's younger.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, not by much.
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like, we're very close in age, and we could not be more different.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_01: We've always been different.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: Like growing up, she was in ballet.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, like, really, like, not just like your normal ballet person, but like winning titles and all that, and like all the competitions and everything.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_01: And then I was like still dances, right?
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I think so.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: I don't maybe give her a call.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: I think that in itself says a lot about the relationship.
• 28:39
  SPEAKER_01: And then you and your sister are like 10 years apart.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're really young because my sister um was from my mom's like second marriage.
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, like really, really much like a lot younger than me.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: But she kind of it was funny, she kind of did all the things that I did just like 10 years later.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's funny.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_00: So when I left for college, I mean she was only like seven.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_00: So wild, it's so crazy.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: And then I was like, my mom's like, oh, she made her high school cheer squad.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_00: Like, she did this, she did that.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, oh, I did that.
• 29:03
  SPEAKER_00: I did that.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's a repeat version.
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's like even like I had this like you know, like Fast and the Furious Asian-looking car when I was in high school.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because those were so cool.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_00: So cool in the 2000s.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, like everyone wanted one of those.
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: And then like she got something similar 10 years later.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: So it was just like like all these like little things, even like now, like I drive a Jeep, she bought a Jeep.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it's kind of cute how like I I guess she's still kind of like that's cute.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_00: I think she looks up to you.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_01: Whether she'll admit it or not, I think she does.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_00: And she does actually, she she moved to Arizona.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: So now, you know, we gotta we gotta do more sisterly things together.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm really bad at that.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_01: Beheadings as much as she should be.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: Probably not, but it's not a lot of give her some time.
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_01: She might get fascinated with like drawing and quartering and burning.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: I could take her to the dark side.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: I think we could do it.
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: Just give her some time.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, anyway, so yeah, so sister love, gotta love it.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but so so they were very much again kind of like sibling rivalry a lot, but that changed once Elizabeth became ill.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: So Elizabeth was kind of known to be unfortunately the sickly child of the bunch.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: That's how I felt this year.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: I know you were real.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I I was too.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: We were kind of training.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:17
  unknown: I know.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_00: You feel weak like Elizabeth.
• 30:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm sorry.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fine.
• 30:22
  SPEAKER_00: Just don't be too close to me.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: I'm fine right now.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Kidding.
• 30:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but but during this episode where she got really ill, Chloe kind of nursed her back to health.
• 30:32
  SPEAKER_00: So once she did that, she also kind of like read to her and gave her this deeper interest in religion.
• 30:38
  SPEAKER_00: Which is, again, interesting because I I guess of the two students, like Elizabeth was stronger, but here Chloe is taking care of her and kind of making her more interested in her studies and saying, here's why this is important.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: So after that little episode, they became very close.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: Like they were more like friends.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_00: Chloe, the older sister, became more like her tutor.
• 30:58
  SPEAKER_00: So so from that point on, again, I think their their relationship changed a lot for the better.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then they had they were old enough to kind of switch tutors.
• 31:06
  SPEAKER_00: So they went from a governess to a tutor named Marie Angelique de And again, I can't read my handwriting.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Marie, yeah.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I didn't actually look at the name.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: Unless it's a man named Marie, we don't judge.
• 31:18
  SPEAKER_00: So Marie Angelique was a person who came in and they said under her like Marie's tutelage, Elizabeth made a lot more progress in her education.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_00: Again, became even a stronger student who this time was actually committed to her studies and really developed like a softer personality.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: She wasn't as like um, you know, like stubborn and not I don't want to say crass, but she would always kind of like be bossy and like I guess order people around.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_01: She she like softened up around the edges a little bit.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and her her religious principles became very clear, where she was like, you know, she became a softer person to deal with, but more like I guess interested in her piety and her religious beliefs.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_00: So kind of a big shift, you know, kind of from being not a bratty child, but again, a kind of stubborn child, a very set in her ways, didn't want to do certain things people told her to do, to now she's like, oh, actually, like I'm very religious and I'm very close with my sister, and she's just kind of flourishing in her studies.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, going back to the quote about like, oh, people like we pay our servants to do that.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_01: They also said she was very rude to the staff.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 32:25
  SPEAKER_01: So it wasn't even just that she was like, oh, good for you for standing your ground.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_01: Like, she was just a rude kid, like she just sounded kind of bratty.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: So it's that is kind of cool to see that shift, I suppose.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, good for her, you know.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe she was less rude to people who were helping her.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_00: Karen as a child.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it can't be easy just in Versailles, like, you know, because Versailles is such a unique place on earth where it's like, again, so much grandeur, and um, like if you again you've seen the movie Marie Antoinette, it's very about like their rituals and everything's a ceremony from like getting ready in the morning to dining, like everything's observed.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: You're just brand.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, so it's kind of hard to make uh I guess logical opinions in that atmosphere because you're like, Well, I'm royal, these are servants.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I this is how I have to think, you know, but maybe over time that kind of you you understand the humanity of it a bit more and not just the structure.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good way to put it.
• 33:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so it's a little bit later, so fast forward to 1775, and Elizabeth's 11 years old now.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: So after she just spent all this time kind of forging this new relationship with her sister, um, her sister is then sent away from France to marry the Crown Prince of Sardinia.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: And they have this big, like very emotional farewell with each other.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: They love each other.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: They do.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_00: At this point, they're very in each, you know, they're in each other's lives every day, they're very attached.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: And even Marie Antoinette kind of came forward and said, you know, my sister Elizabeth, which is cute, she calls her sister.
• 33:54
  SPEAKER_00: She said, My sister Elizabeth is a charming child who has intelligence, character, and much grace.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: She showed the greatest feeling and much above her age at the departure of her sister.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: The poor little girl was in despair.
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: As her health is very delicate, which we've talked about, she is taken ill and a very severe and had a very severe nervous attack.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, so she was upset.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:19
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like tides have changed with their relationship.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: Totally.
• 34:22
  SPEAKER_01: So it's funny you bring up Marie Antoinette.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of want to loop into that.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: So Marie Antoinette is Elizabeth's sister-in-law.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: And their relationship was very well recorded of what that looked like.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_01: So even though like the governess and other people didn't like Elizabeth, they didn't prefer her over her sister Chloe.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not going to be able to do that.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even say that.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't even try.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Marie actually preferred Elizabeth over her sister.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_01: For all of I think these reasons of her feeling like she was a little bit more strong-willed, not so floaty.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, had like a very determined, like very, very much knew what she wanted and then went for it.
• 35:04
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um May 17th, 1778, a very specific I like how like this is such a specific date.
• 35:11
  SPEAKER_00: I think again, going back to the ceremony of Versailles, they do document everything.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's cool.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Because it is helps us.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it does help us as professional historians.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_01: Professional historians, it's very helpful.
• 35:22
  SPEAKER_00: They have dates for everything.
• 35:24
  SPEAKER_01: As Elizabeth got a little bit older, the relationship between her and Marie Antoinette changed a little bit, maybe.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and we'll get more into it once we get into the climate of France and what's happening on the political side of things.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: But Elizabeth, surprisingly, well, maybe not surprisingly, she grew up in Versailles.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_01: She uh she was very kind of conservative about how the monarchs were treated.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, she did very much believe like this is our divine right as monarchs.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_01: We are and I that actually does go back to her as a kid being like, well, the servants will tell me what to say and think and everything.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um she never openly insulted Marie Antoinette, but she didn't necessarily agree with her lavishness.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh she didn't really like these informal, like medical yeah, like the new, like the reform of the court, like things like clapping during theater and these new changes of behavior that she was bringing in.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um she thought it was a bit of a threat to the monarchy itself.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like we can't be this informal, you know, because that would why we're why are we here?
• 36:34
  SPEAKER_00: Like we're here to show formality.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: But also a and this is kind of where we go back and forth of like, well, where exactly do you lie on these beliefs?
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yes, we are the monarchy, but we also don't need to throw out all this money and live so lavishly.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um she she thought that court life was a threat to the moral welfare because she was so devoted to religion.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 36:55
  SPEAKER_01: And she had she was very close to her aunts, and her aunts, aunts, her aunties, aunties, her aunts were anti-Austrian, which is not a good mix with Marie Antoinette, who comes from Austria.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_01: So the fact that she was so close to her aunts, that kind of created some strife between Elizabeth and Marie Antoinette.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_01: And then again, like she would never openly insult her sister-in-law, but she kind of went through her aunts to complain, and she would get them to vocalize her thoughts of the situation.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_01: So, so all that said, it started with Marie Antoinette really loving little Elizabeth.
• 37:30
  SPEAKER_01: And as she got older, more set in her ways, like understood more of her beliefs and what she stood for, didn't necessarily align with Marie's goal, like her lifestyle in her opinion.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Also, really quick, I love that whenever we're talking about ants, it's always like a group of aunties who are just like catty together and they're little, like, you know.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: Like the little chickens?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like little, little whatever they form.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Pickle, cluckle, pickle, clearle, pick, pick, pick.
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what that is.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_00: Pickle, tuck a little more, pick a little, tuck a little, pick a little, talk a little, pick, pick, pick, tuck a little more.
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_00: Keep saying words from that.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_01: The gossipers, all the women are going around gossiping and they're they're acting like chickens, they'll go pick a little, tuck a little, pick a little, tuckle, chimp, chim, chimp, pick a little more.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_00: You can make that the outro music, because I don't know what that is.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's fun to say.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: I know the music man, but I don't know that.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: I guess.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: They all go around and they get their gossip.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it's always like a group of aunties, or it's just the lone wolf, weird aunt.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: Is it not?
• 38:29
  SPEAKER_00: Like whenever you see movies or like depictions of like, you know, aunts, it's always like, oh, group of aunties who are always gossipy and they're in your business, or it's like the solo one.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you should know your mom is one of seven daughters.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: So many aunts.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 38:46
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I know all about the dynamics of anthood.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, continue.
• 38:51
  SPEAKER_00: Auntie Auntieisms.
• 38:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so we're gonna, so we're now in Elizabeth's quote unquote adult life.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: Because at the very mature age of 14 years old, her brother, the king of France, King Louis XVI, thinks it's about time for Elizabeth to have her own household.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: Which means she has all of her own servants and like lady in waiting.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, her ladies and all of that.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_01: And it's very specific day.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's May 17th, 1778.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because there was actually like a ceremony to go along with it, I guess.
• 39:25
  SPEAKER_01: Everything's a ceremony.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, everything is recorded, documented.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_01: Great for us historians to learn from it.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, it's also about time for her to figure out who she's gonna get married to.
• 39:37
  SPEAKER_01: She's about that age.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Remember, again, like Marie Antoinette was what, 14 when she was married.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: So it's about time.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_01: She has one proposal with Jose, Prince of Brazil.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: Brasil.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of spicy spicy.
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: I also didn't even know Brazil was a country then.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_01: Didn't even know the name Jose was a name back then.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, that means Spanish culture.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_01: You just don't hear a lot of Jose at this time.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's true, yeah.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, Brazil, I mean, that's a new world country.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, very, very aggressive of it.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: 1778, I guess.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they were they, yeah, it was it was a thing.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um, that didn't work out.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: And then at one point there was the Duke of I can't remember my writing.
• 40:19
  SPEAKER_01: Ayosta.
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_01: Ayosta?
• 40:20
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what that is.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Aosta.
• 40:22
  SPEAKER_00: Aosta, that didn't work.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: He was also the future Victor Emmanuel First of Sardinia, if that helps anyone.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 40:31
  unknown: Interesting.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like, it doesn't.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks though.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: He was also the brother-in-law of her sister Chloe, though.
• 40:37
  SPEAKER_00: Oh.
• 40:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: So the reason that didn't work out is because he was technically a lower status than her.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 40:43
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, but that would have been- I would appreciate that.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: He was just a duke.
• 40:46
  SPEAKER_00: Why marry a duke?
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: Why waste your time with that?
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: That would have been funny because it would have been like she's married to that guy.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_01: She probably would have been with her sister then.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: She probably didn't dislike that arrangement.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but but she actually thought that she was way like the status, the status thing was an issue for her.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: She had a quote saying, like, why would I go to another court where I'm like not even at my same level?
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_01: Like that I'm paraphrasing.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_01: It was something along the way.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_01: Same level.
• 41:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like I w if I I might as well just be a princess of France then and like maintain my status as princess.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why would I marry and go be a Duke's wife?
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: Totally.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_00: And because she is a fierce monarchist, she probably very much believes in the status and the rules and the roles.
• 41:29
  SPEAKER_00: She's old-fashioned in that way.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: And again, and to be clear, again, like she didn't love the opulence and the gaudiness and the like grandeur of Versailles.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: She thought that was a bit much, but I think she did appreciate tradition and ceremony and status and hierarchy.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like the bloodline of it all.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, exactly.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then she had a possible arrangement with Joseph II of the Holy Roman Emperor.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: Emperor Empire.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_01: I remember.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'm reading my writing, sorry.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like Emperor.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's cute.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: That says Empire.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I didn't.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: Anyways, that's okay.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Joseph II is Marie Antoinette's brother.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: And that got weird for a few reasons.
• 42:13
  SPEAKER_01: One, he's like 25 years older than her.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 42:16
  SPEAKER_01: He's also twice widowed and he already has kids.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_01: And the other part of it is even though uh Marie Antoinette is the queen, again, there's this whole anti-Austria movement happening.
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: And they didn't want to just like settle more into that of like, oh, let's just create more ties and more bloodline with Austria.
• 42:36
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: So that didn't work out.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: In the end, Elizabeth was pretty satisfied with like, you know what, I just want to stay Princess of France.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: I'm cool with this arrangement.
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just gonna live here, bro.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't need to get married, which is refreshing.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_01: We don't that the only time I like that.
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you that was such a big deal with Elizabeth I, obviously, because of needing the heir.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: It wasn't as important for Elizabeth of France to get married.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: But it's nice that that she at least came forward to make that stance.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_00: You know, and the exact quote she used kind of at the end of all of these marriage proposals, which she said, she said, it's better to stay here at the foot of my brother's throne than to ascend another.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: So, like you said, you know, she said it in a lot of different ways, but I think that was kind of her final like, you know, I'm good.
• 43:23
  SPEAKER_00: I'm okay staying here, I will follow my brother and I will be whatever he needs.
• 43:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm supportive of him.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_01: I don't need to be off in foreign lands right now.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_01: She yeah, she didn't want some foreign prince.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and then she again was kind of kind of remained that way for the rest of her life where she was very fiercely loyal to Louis and loyal to the monarchy itself.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and there was like a point too where he even worried about her because she visited often her aunt, another auntie.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: The auntie This might be the weird auntie, but he she often visited um her Aunt Louis uh Louise of France.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: I have a grandma named Louise.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Do you?
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: I know.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: But Louise Safrance, um, she was at this convent in St.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: Denis, and Louis literally had to tell her, like, please don't become a nun.
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_00: You can do whatever you want, just don't be a nun.
• 44:13
  SPEAKER_00: Because she was visiting the convent very often, you know, to the point, and she's already very religious, and now she's not gonna be married.
• 44:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's deepening, yeah, her her connection to religion more than anything.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: So he literally had to say to her, like, I need you here by my side, and she already knows that she wants to be by his side.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_00: But it she got so religious to the point where he's like, just don't be a nun, please.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: Don't be a nun, be with me at court.
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: But she didn't like court that much again because of the lavishness and everything else.
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, she was there to support Louie.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, she believed in the monarchy, but again, she did not always agree with Versailles, and she didn't agree with Marie Antoinette's behavior and lifestyle and everything she was bringing.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_00: She even said that she would only be at court if absolutely necessary.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she avoided it.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_01: She was also so where was she?
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: They finally gifted her her own house.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: Alyssa's so cute.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_01: She's like getting up and coming.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: And this is 1781 when she's about 17 years old.
• 45:09
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, 17 and she gets her own house.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: Her own household is called say it.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Say that word.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think it's I think it's pronounced Montreal, which sounds like our Montreal.
• 45:20
  SPEAKER_00: And so at this point, Marie Antoinette already has her tiny chateau, like on Versailles, which is called the Petit Petit Trianon.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: And so Petit Trianon, you know, again, if you're very familiar with Marie Antoinette's story, it's where she goes to act like a peasant, essentially.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_00: That sounds stupid, but that's what she did.
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_01: Chicken eggs.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she would go, like, quote unquote, like pick up chicken eggs, and she'd wear like cotton dresses and straw hats, and like she would have her ladies come with her and they'd have little like garden parties.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_00: And my favorite part of the movie, Marie Antoinette.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: When like Rose Brynn's character, she's like, Oh, look chickens.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_01: I love chickens.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's just chickens.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: They're just like, yeah, it's like like farm animals are around, but they're very like, they're cleaned, everything's very like stale.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: They're like playing farm.
• 46:07
  SPEAKER_00: It's more like a playhouse than like a real farm.
• 46:10
  SPEAKER_01: They think they're legit like working the like the hard life.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Meanwhile, the serves are like, get the chicken eggs ready and just like it's like hunting, like let's place them around and like clean them off already.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but they would have like garden parties and exactly green literature and philosophy and become one with nature.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_01: So Marie Antoinette is trying to give Elizabeth a similar experience and even says, like, oh, it's just like my place.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, she and it's near Versailles.
• 46:39
  SPEAKER_01: So at first she's not allowed to stay nights there when she was still young.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like Louis wouldn't let her, she had to come back home in the evenings, but then eventually she ended up living there, and she would go riding and hunting and had a very structured day between education and learning and learning politics and then being outside and sounds like a nice life.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: It does.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: She learned a lot about gardening and got like big into gardening when she was there because the the like parcel that she was gifted is like 7.2 acres of land, so it's fairly big.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: But she got big into gardening and she really started engaging in charity with like the nearby village, so the actual villagers, not just like playhouse people.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_00: Good for her.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she like would you know she got really involved in charity and wanted to know how the the village functioned, how she could help.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: So, unlike you know, Marie Antoinette's like petite tray and on that little playhouse, she was actually kind of trying to make it like an impact on where she was living and how she was utilizing the land and what she was learning.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I think she very much saw that as like an extension of her religion.
• 47:43
  SPEAKER_00: So she became very well known in that nearby community as like, oh, like she's actually here to help, like, she's providing some sort of value.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, tell them what we saw when we were watching the movie.
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, this is kind of funny.
• 47:55
  SPEAKER_00: So we were like taking notes, preparing for this episode, like chatting about it.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_00: And as I was reading about um Montreal, we were watching Les Mays, like we just had it on in the background, and all of a sudden, you know, get into the you know, it's not the French Revolution, it's after, but all of a sudden it's like it's like 18, whatever the date is.
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_00: 83 or something, and then it's like it's like Montreal, France.
• 48:18
  SPEAKER_00: And I was like, oh my god, I literally as I like wrote it down, I was like, oh wow.
• 48:21
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, maybe have you noticed that before?
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: It's literally the village, yeah.
• 48:25
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't realize that's kind of cool.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so that is really Elizabeth's.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: I think that gives us a good understanding of who Elizabeth of France was, yeah, her upbringing, her beliefs.
• 48:37
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna shift a little bit into just the very first parts of the revolution.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_01: The tip of the ice, and then we're gonna get into it more in our part two.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_01: The French Revolution kind of starts with a bang.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_02: Nice.
• 48:52
  SPEAKER_01: On July 14th, 1789, is the storming of the Bastille.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_01: So the peop the people are angry.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're angry about the taxes, the spending, the war with America.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: The people are poor and hungry and can't afford anything.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Queen Queen Marie Antoinette is living the high life and way overspending on everything.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_00: And to be clear, when we say war with America, we're referring to the Revolutionary War.
• 49:22
  SPEAKER_00: So it was obviously future America versus England, but the French were very much in support of America because they wanted to, you know, stick it to the man in England.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:33
  SPEAKER_01: But we they were like shoveling out money to help America.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: So thank you.
• 49:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you French people, thank you for making who we are.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: We're great.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: So now we exist and we say words like ants.
• 49:43
  SPEAKER_01: Aren't you happy we're here saying the Bastille.
• 49:45
  SPEAKER_01: Saying ants and Bastille.
• 49:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um The storming of the so Bastille was a um a military fortress, an armory, and a political prison.
• 49:56
  SPEAKER_01: And there was only seven people imprisoned at the in the fortress at this time.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: So it really wasn't that big of a significant, like, let's go release all of these prisoners.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: But the Bastille was more of a symbolic measure of the suppression of the monarchy and their power and their like ever just everything people hated of the power and the abuse that comes behind the monarchy.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_01: The Bastille was symbolic of that.
• 50:27
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: So on July 14th, um, this mob, the the revolutionists, it's about a four-hour fight.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: About 94 people are dead trying to just enter into the building, and then it just is like a complete takeover, you know, the rate the flags and all that, and it's really their way of like we're angry and we're taking over as a symbol of power.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um a few months later, October 5th, 1789, is the women's march.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, women.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_01: So this all started down in the village, and the women are shopping, they're at the market, they're buying what they need, and they're pissed at how expensive the bread is.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like nowadays, right?
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, can we do this?
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_01: It starts with just a few women just being like, Are you kidding me?
• 51:19
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like nowadays it'd be like ten dollars for a loaf of bread.
• 51:22
  SPEAKER_01: Like, this is ridiculous.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: This is out of control.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_00: Egg prices.
• 51:26
  SPEAKER_01: That weird time last January when eggs were ten dollars a carton.
• 51:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's insane.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: Super odd.
• 51:32
  SPEAKER_01: So they kind of start like this ripple throughout the village of like, are you pissed?
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm pissed.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, they're kind of like shouting, like, we're done with this.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: This is ridiculous.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like, come join me.
• 51:44
  SPEAKER_01: Ends up being like thousands of women.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: There's they start marching towards the palace, bringing all of their like, yo, come.
• 51:51
  SPEAKER_01: What are you what are you guys doing?
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: No, we're gonna go pissed off at the palace.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like, come with us.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: I like it.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_00: Pissed off at the palace.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna be pissed off at the palace.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_01: And they pass by Montreal, the house of Elizabeth, and Elizabeth's in her home, and she sees a thousand women coming toward towards Versailles.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, oh shit, like this isn't, this doesn't look good.
• 52:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh oh.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: She gets ahead of it and actually runs, not runs.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure she gets to her in her carriage, and they bring her back over to Versailles for her to warn her brother and her family, like, yo, there's like a thousand angry women on their way to come like tear down the doors.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like you might want to be prepared.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: And this is just what's happening in France.
• 52:31
  SPEAKER_01: Like, again, people are angry.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_01: The the the protests are happening, the stampedes are happening, and the revolutionists are breaking down doors and getting in, and their whole thing is like, we need to get in front of the king and queen, and if they're not gonna listen to us, or gonna we're gonna make them listen to us.
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 52:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so this is like just the beginning.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_01: The beginning of a very bloody era.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_01: That ends with blood with the thing that we like.
• 53:00
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• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's got dark in this room.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: Like our story.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: Dun dun dun.
• 53:06
  SPEAKER_00: Do your do your voice you did.
• 53:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I changed it.
• 53:09
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• 53:10
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• 53:14
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• 53:14
  SPEAKER_00: I like your like riff.
• 53:15
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• 53:17
  unknown: It's very good.
• 53:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it got very dark in our room, which is good.
• 53:20
  SPEAKER_01: The story got dark, and I think that's a good place to end it.
• 53:24
  SPEAKER_01: So for now.
• 53:25
  SPEAKER_00: Cliffhanger ending, what happens, where does this revolution go, and what is Elizabeth's part in it?
• 53:31
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know until you tune into part two.
• 53:33
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• 53:57
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• 53:58
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• 54:00
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• 54:02
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• 54:05
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• 54:06
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• 54:09
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• 54:19
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• 54:24
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• 54:26
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• 54:33
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• 54:45
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• 54:49
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• 54:52
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• 54:53
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• 54:56
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• 55:03
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• 55:04
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• 55:06
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• 55:08
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• 55:10
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• 55:11
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• 55:12
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• 55:18
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• 55:24
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• 55:25
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