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Episode 42 - Japanese & Korean Horror · Haunted Ozark Theater

• 0:18
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Haunted Ozark Theater, H O T, your Hot Horror Podcast.
• 0:27
  SPEAKER_01: We are here today to talk to you about Asian cinema, specifically the horror films coming out of Japan and Korea.
• 0:36
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, what'd you think of your research?
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_03: I picked five movies, and I got five Japanese movies.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_03: And I was uh surprised of how much I actually liked them.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_03: This has never been something I've been into, Paul.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_03: So it was it was fun to research and really get into it.
• 0:54
  SPEAKER_03: And they definitely have their own style.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_03: And it was awesome to see.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_03: I did realize, and I I I gotta say, I'm kind of embarrassed how much these movies have influenced American war.
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_03: So I've I'm ready to get into this.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, well, that's awesome.
• 1:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um I find myself in in a the same boat.
• 1:16
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you know, I've seen the big ones, The Ring, The Grudge, Audition, Train to Busan.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_01: I've seen those.
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  SPEAKER_01: But I, you know, I always love to dig deeper and find stuff that not only have I not seen, but maybe haven't even heard of, right, and really get down to you know, get as deep as I can.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so that's what I did.
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  SPEAKER_01: I picked five Japanese films and five Korean films.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: So I got 10 films to talk about.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, but of course, we gotta start with this day in horror history, and today is the birthday of one Dennis Dugan.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_01: Dennis Dugan uh was an actor first and became a director later.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: What he's known for in acting is the howling.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: And he does all the Adam Sailor movies, right?
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's where I was going with this.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's this is pretty funny, actually.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_01: So he played Chris in the Howling.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, sir.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: Chris was the only other guy from the news station to survive alongside Deteet Wallace's character.
• 2:21
  SPEAKER_01: And he was actually the one that put the silver bullet in her at the end when she started to transform on air.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: But then, yeah, so he got out of acting and he ends up directing Happy Gilmore.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_01: And he's in a lot of those movies, he's got little cameos in them.
• 2:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, grown-ups.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 2:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's so he's been he definitely uh went into a different direction with it.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, he's a big time director these days.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: And it's his birthday.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_01: And and it's his birthday, yes, sir.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, happy birthday.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, so let's do some re-watching.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: What'd you what have you been doing?
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_03: What I really wanted to talk about, and I had no idea this movie existed.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_03: I found it uh, I think it's on YouTube, and it's uh guy who just goes over Halloween time movies and stuff you may not have heard of in this one.
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  SPEAKER_03: Struck me when he said it.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's called Alone in the Dark.
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  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Came out in 1982.
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  SPEAKER_03: It stars Donald Pleasant as a psychiatrist named Dr.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_03: Blaine.
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  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_03: It's got uh Jack Pallitz.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know who that is?
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 3:24
  SPEAKER_03: He's in the Joe or a Batman, the City Slickers.
• 3:28
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_03: But uh, so the story is it's these four uh lunatics, the Powell goes out in the city, right?
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_03: And uh they escape and they think the new psychiatrist killed their old one because they see this news broadcast.
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  SPEAKER_03: So they go to his small town and they're it's like a home invasion movie.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's really neat because it's one of New Line Cinema's first movies.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_03: Uh and Robert Chase sister's in it, the one who's in N Cities and all that.
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  SPEAKER_03: But he plays a uh a crazy lady.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's really neat because one thing I noticed was they keep bringing up the town Springwood.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, planting that seed.
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  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
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  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: But it's a fun little it uh uh uh it's a great Halloween-filling movie.
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  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_03: Cool killers.
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  SPEAKER_03: There's a a psychopath called The Bleeder.
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  SPEAKER_03: You never see his face, but every time he kills somebody, his nose bleeds.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's good.
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  SPEAKER_03: That's a pretty cool movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: All right, so I'll have to check it out.
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  SPEAKER_03: What's what was it entitled?
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  SPEAKER_03: Alone in the Dark, 1982.
• 4:23
  SPEAKER_03: Because there's a newer 2000, it's not a horde, but it's got a um what was his name?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_03: He was huge in the 90s.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_03: He was in Robin Hood.
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  SPEAKER_03: Oh, Kevin Coster?
• 4:34
  SPEAKER_03: No, no.
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  SPEAKER_03: He's in it though.
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  SPEAKER_03: Golly.
• 4:37
  SPEAKER_03: I can't.
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  SPEAKER_03: He was uh pretty like he was pretty big with the girls.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: Christian Slater.
• 4:44
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, gotcha.
• 4:45
  SPEAKER_03: He's in the movie.
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  SPEAKER_03: So if you see that, that's not the movie I'm talking about.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the same movie.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, gotcha.
• 4:50
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I uh went to the theater last night and watched the new insidious movie, and I'm happy to report that it was good.
• 4:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was uh a I wasn't expecting it to be good or bad, I was expecting it to be an insidious movie, right?
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  SPEAKER_01: And it is, um, but it was I I think it it was I was pleasantly surprised by it, I think.
• 5:11
  SPEAKER_01: So that's a good thing.
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  SPEAKER_03: Um is it a top three?
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_01: Of the six, I'd yeah, I'd say.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'd say so.
• 5:19
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, it's probably number three.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, probably the third best one.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's always good to be surprised that way, isn't it?
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_01: My wife just finished watching or just finished reading Pet Cemetery.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: So we watched the original Pet Cemetery.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: She had never seen it.
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: Did she like it?
• 5:36
  SPEAKER_03: She did, she liked it quite a bit.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: It's a great one.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_03: The book's awesome.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it sure is.
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_01: That was first first Stephen King book I ever read in seventh grade.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about that.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we did.
• 5:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good one to start with, yeah.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, uh, I re-watched Terrifier 2.
• 5:50
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, cool.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, just had an urge to watch it.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_01: Out of nowhere, just yeah, just decided to.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_01: And I like that you brought up one that uh was something that was new to you because I got something that I'm gonna see if it's new to you as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: So I found this one.
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  SPEAKER_01: I had never heard of it either, had never seen it.
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  SPEAKER_01: So this checks a lot of boxes of stuff that we've talked about before, which I think is neat.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_01: So uh it's Linda Blair, but it's not The Exorcist.
• 6:23
  SPEAKER_01: It's directed by Wes Craven, but it's not it's a comedy, isn't it?
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no, but it's nothing that you would know Wes Craven for.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was made for TV, it came on CBS on Halloween night, 1978, and it's called Summer of Fear.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_01: Never even heard of it?
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_01: I had never heard of it either, so I watched it, and it was pretty good.
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  SPEAKER_01: Awesome.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's pretty good.
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  SPEAKER_01: I highly recommend it.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, this was Wes Craven's first like big Hollywood movie.
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  SPEAKER_01: He had made, you know, uh Hills Have Eyes and Last House on the Left and stuff, but he had made those independently and he'd made them on the East Coast.
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  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
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  SPEAKER_01: After some success with those movies, he moved to Hollywood, and the first job that he got from the Hollywood studios was to direct this made-for CBS movie starring Linda Blair.
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  SPEAKER_01: And uh, so that's this was him, and I saw some interviews with him saying like this was the first time I had like budget and like full support of a studio and catering and like all that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_01: So fear.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: Can you give me a breakdown of it?
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so Linda Blair is the daughter of a fairly well-off family.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh in Southern California, they have a horse ranch, and so she's all into equestrian sports and stuff like that.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then they get a cut a call that there's been an accident in their family, and um her aunt and uncle have died, and her cousin uh is gonna come live with them because her cousin doesn't have anyone to take care of her.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: They never show anything of where the cousin came from, but interestingly enough, they do say that the cousin is coming from Russellville, Arkansas.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_01: Which is only interesting to us and people who live here in Arkansas.
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  SPEAKER_01: But uh, so sh so we have this girl uh who's a cousin of Linda Blair.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's coming from Russellville to go live on this big horse ranch in Southern California.
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  SPEAKER_01: So uh at first, it's kind of just like a culture shock kind of a movie, you know.
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  SPEAKER_01: She's adjusting to her parents just died, she's gotta go live with these relatives who she hasn't seen in years, and right she's trying to, you know, basically fit in with this whole lifestyle, which is totally different than her Arkansas lifestyle.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then really weird things start happening around the horse farm.
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  SPEAKER_01: Supernatural or supernatural things start happening around the horse farm.
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  SPEAKER_03: It's Linda Blair's fault.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's always no.
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  SPEAKER_01: Linda Blair actually starts to have a sneaking suspicion that there's something maybe off about her cousin who's come to live with them.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: And that's that's all I'll say.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds like a Scooby-Doo episode for a building.
• 9:35
  SPEAKER_03: I like it.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's because it's made for TV right and it's late 70s, you know, it's not scary per se, but it's definitely um yeah, it's kind of like almost like a glorified Scooby-Doo episode.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_03: I'll check that out.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_01: But it's good, it's it's well done, really well done.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: And um, you know, you can tell when the commercial breaks were there.
• 9:57
  SPEAKER_01: I just watched on YouTube.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_03: This makes me wonder because CBS also, which you've got to watch, if I'm gonna watch something affair, you've got to watch Dark Knight of the Scarecrow.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: I believe it was early 80s and it was a CBS major TV.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_03: And it's not scary, but it's just a fun, yeah, you know, poor little movie.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_03: It's like this was like a fun little thriller.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_03: I can't see my teenage girl loving it or anything like that, but people who like work and maybe the older generation would appreciate these kind of films.
• 10:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
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  SPEAKER_03: Very nostalgic.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, let's get into the main topic here.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um we wanted to focus on Japanese and Korean horror, and I'm just gonna say, real quick, off the right off the bat, my takeaway, and you touched upon it already, um Japanese horror is very well established, and they totally march to the beat of their own dreams.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_03: They really do, and you feel it at least.
• 10:58
  SPEAKER_01: And you can see how Japanese horror cinema has influenced American horror cinema big time.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: Korean films, I would say, are the opposite of that.
• 11:10
  SPEAKER_01: As I was watching the Korean films, well, first of all, Korean horror only goes back to like the 90s.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's an very old issue.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so as I'm watching the Korean films, you can see how American horror has influenced what they do.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of the Korean uh films are more traditional and just kind of stick to the formula, and just reminded me of kind of your average American film, but with like Korean culture built into it or baked into it to make it appealing to the Korean audience.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_01: Whereas Japanese is like totally inventive and totally out there and doing stuff that's never been done before.
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  SPEAKER_01: So you want to start with one of the films that you want to?
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_03: I do.
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  SPEAKER_03: I got five Japanese films, and you named off two, so I figured I'm gonna start with uh my first two, and we can play off each other's neck because hopefully you don't have the other three I picked.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so the first and I did a lot of research and just notes on these.
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  SPEAKER_03: The first one I picked, and I I never had watched it, I always watched the American version, and that is a ring.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_03: The ring uh came out in 1998.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_03: You I'm gonna try not to butcher these names, so I will be as respectful as I can, but please forgive me.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_03: I'm a southern boy from Arkansas.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um Ringu is how you would really pronounce that.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, the director is Haido Nakatahi in the monsters, or the monster is Sadoko Yamanomuru.
• 12:47
  SPEAKER_03: I I'm I'm saying it the best I can.
• 12:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's a supernatural, curse, psychological, technical, technological lord.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, in a sense, you know what I want.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_03: Why I've got this at number one, it isn't frightening just because Sadoku is constantly attacking people.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's quite the opposite.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_03: This movie spends enormous amounts of time letting you anticipate something terrible.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I've really felt that in this.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, the anticipation factor is off the charts.
• 13:14
  SPEAKER_03: The premise that's really simple.
• 13:16
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, isn't it?
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_03: Super simple.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_03: A mysterious video tape supposedly kills anyone who watches it seven days later.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yep.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's the genius of this film, and it's really simplistic in that, isn't it?
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's real straightforward.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_01: Especially for some of the crazier things that I saw when I watched some of these other Japanese movies.
• 13:38
  SPEAKER_01: It really just takes a simple idea and executes it superbly.
• 13:44
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_03: You take a videotape, it turns into an object of dread.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_03: You don't need a haunted mansion, you don't need a monster chasing somebody down a hallway.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_03: You simply have to press play.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 13:57
  unknown: Yeah.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_03: And that is so awesome.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: And then the time and then the clock starts ticking as soon as you hit play.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_03: It does.
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  SPEAKER_03: Exactly what I put there.
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  SPEAKER_03: The clock starts ticking.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: That's good.
• 14:06
  SPEAKER_03: But uh Sadoku, Sadoko, it's one of Horus Cinema's most recognizable uh supernatural figures, wouldn't you say?
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh her appearance is incredibly important.
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_03: Long black hair covering the face, white clothing, extremely unnatural movements.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that's so off-putting.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_03: Whoever played that, she was incredible.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_03: Almost no conventional personality and eerie corpse-like presence.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: And it's based on a very traditional Japanese folklore, which is like the river spirit.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, her long black hair always looks wet, and it's always kind of like down in her face and stuff because she's one of the river spirits that is like coming back from the dead for vengeance.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, I had I first saw the American version when the American version came out in the theaters.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was 02 or something like that.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: And then um when I found out it was based on a Japanese uh film, I watched the Japanese film probably not long after that, oh four, oh five maybe.
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_01: And um I mean they're both great.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_01: They are uh they is this is one of the instances where the American version did a really good and respectable and faith admirable, faithful job.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_01: But the original is untouchable.
• 15:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's untouchable, it's so good.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_01: It is, it's so good, and uh yeah, it's this is one of the ones, like you said, like everybody knows this one.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_01: So I s and I had already seen it, so I'd skipped it for my um for my viewing, but I I I'm glad that you watched it, and I'm glad that you enjoyed it.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: And one of the most all of our horror movies that are popular, we love, and I don't think our kids may know about this.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: I know my daughter doesn't even know what the ring is, but that television scene where she comes out, it's conventional horror rhythm, it's not monster pierce screens attack.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: Instead, it's something is wrong, something is moving.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, what is that?
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_03: Oh god, yeah, yeah, and now it's too late, and now it's there's nothing you can do.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: All right, it's terrifying, right?
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_01: No, there that is definitely crossed over into just pop culture in general.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_01: I've talked, I've told you before, I don't know if I've said it on the podcast, but my favorite sitcom is community.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and there's a scene in one of the episodes, the Halloween episode of Community, where the main character he's gonna dress up as a boxer for Halloween, and he tells his friend, who's a female, to dress up as his ring girl, and he means the boxing kind of girl who holds holds the ring, the round cup.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: She dresses she comes, she she comes as the girl from the ring.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's it's pretty funny.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
• 17:04
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's definitely everybody knows about every everybody, yeah.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_03: Did a little research on this, and there's with these, especially Japanese, or I don't know about um Korean, there's deeper, deeper meanings in these movies.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: So um there's also entering theme underneath the supernatural story.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_03: The ring came during a period when Japanese society was increasingly dealing with rapidly changing technology and mass media.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_03: The curse essentially turns information itself into a weapon.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_03: Watching something causes the curse, copying something spreads it, showing something to someone else transfers the danger.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's almost like a supernatural virus.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's exactly, it's a techno-virus.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's exactly what it is.
• 17:49
  SPEAKER_03: So that you know, they were it was scary to them and that changed.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, because it was brand new.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, VHS wasn't brand new, but it's it's representative of all the brand new technology that we were getting flooded with at that time.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_03: And I could just you can feel it and how it transfers.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_03: And you I will agree with you, it's it's it is miles ahead of the American version.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_03: Which American version is great, but it's just different, man.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's not the same level to me.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_01: No, I agree.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_03: And I wish I would have watched this years ago.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's like a the American version is a very, very good imitation, but it's it's an imitation.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_03: It's not the real exact it's the fake crab meat you get.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_03: It gets you bye.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: It's not the genuine article.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I agree.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_03: All right, brother, what do you got next?
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I went way deep on some of this stuff.
• 18:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um Do you want to do you want the weird stuff first?
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know it.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I watched two really weird ones.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: And to me, they're almost like the perfect um you know, microcosm of what it means to be Japanese horror.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_01: Because they're just so goofy and out there.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, not goofy.
• 19:05
  SPEAKER_01: Goofy is not the right word, but they're they're absurd.
• 19:08
  SPEAKER_01: They're so they're so weird that they're almost absurd.
• 19:11
  SPEAKER_03: So the first one I'm sorry, can you give me an example of an American movie that you can go off of?
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh like something from Cronenberg or something?
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, maybe.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_03: Something like that.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe, yeah.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Naked lunch.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um there is there was one that I do want to talk about because it did have some Cronenberg-esque, but I'm not quite ready to talk about that one yet.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_01: But here's here's two.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna give you two real quick.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: The first one I watched uh came out in 1991.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's called 964 Pinocchio.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_01: So right there, you're like, huh?
• 19:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 19:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's got my intention?
• 19:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: So what this is about is a sex robot named Pinocchio, who can no longer get an erection.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_01: So his owners just throw him out.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they wipe his memory first.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_03: Don't even want to know why he's okay.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: They wipe his memory and then they just literally just throw him in the dumpster.
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he's like not powered down or anything.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: So he just kind of wakes up in the dumpster and starts like roaming Tokyo.
• 20:27
  SPEAKER_03: Does it look like the Pinocchio window?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: No, I don't know why he's called Pinocchio, to be quite honest.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but anyway, so he's just basically starts roaming Pinocchio or Tokyo.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_01: And then he meets another female robot who's in the exact same circumstances.
• 20:50
  SPEAKER_03: People are just throwing out their sex robots like it's nothing.
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she got her memory wiped and she got thrown out.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: So the two of them kind of keep each other company throughout Tokyo.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: They're they're they're homeless, essentially.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: They're living in dumpsters and stuff and and wandering around Tokyo just trying to figure life out.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not even sure if they know that they're robots anymore because they've had their memory wiped.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_03: Really?
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: And they're just having to deal with um being homeless, being discriminated against, having no memory, not knowing what their purpose or direction is in life.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_01: And people are just awful to them.
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, awful, awful, awful.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_01: And people know that they're robots.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone else can tell.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because they do have like really brightly colored hair and stuff.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's there's things about them that just that set them apart and distinguish them from normal human beings.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but really what it ends up being in the end is a story about how these two sex robots are more human than the humans.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Because the humans are awful, treating them like crap and and inflicting all kinds of misery on them.
• 22:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know?
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_01: Is it gore?
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, because it's it's very um bloody gory.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: Good gore?
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, oh yeah.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: Cause this is uh what I say, 91?
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 91.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_01: So this is this is all practical.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: Oh nice.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_01: But then at the end they they both undergo kind of a transformation um that kind of puts you into body horror territory.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: But they're but they're not but they're not they don't have bodies though, because they're robots.
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, it was strange.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: Did it make you feel uncomfortable?
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_01: At parts, it definitely did.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_01: It definitely did.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_01: But um really what I liked about it could be messed up, was was in the end, like it had it's like, look at these two robots who are actually more human than the rest of them.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_03: So it's really telling the deeper story, exactly.
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_01: The other one I watched that was super weird, but not bad.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 1988.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Mermaid in a Manhole.
• 23:14
  SPEAKER_01: I told you I wow, dude.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_03: I thought he did a little too deep, I think.
• 23:20
  SPEAKER_01: This guy into the manhole.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_01: This guy, uh, he's a painter.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_01: And he gets up every morning, he goes down into the sewer and he finds stuff to paint.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_01: That's you do.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: He like he'll he'll find a little sewer scene and he'll snap a picture of it, and then he'll take the picture back to his apartment and he'll paint what he saw.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: Uh well, he goes down into the sewer one day and he finds a mermaid.
• 23:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's like a real legit mermaid.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: Instead of finding, you know, just a scene to paint, he finds a mermaid.
• 23:54
  SPEAKER_01: Just sitting in the sewer.
• 23:55
  SPEAKER_01: Just yeah, just laying in the sewage.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so he takes her back to his apartment.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_01: Or he takes her back to his apartment and puts her in his bathtub.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_01: It's like Lady in the Water.
• 24:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, very much like that.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_01: But um, you know, the bathtub is not the best place to keep a full-sized mermaid.
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_01: So she starts kind of breaking down and decomposing a little bit.
• 24:24
  SPEAKER_01: And um she starts kind of uh having these different fluids start to leak out of her.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_01: Well, he decides that uh it is.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_01: He decides that these these fluids that are coming out of her in all these different colors would make good paint.
• 24:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh no.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_01: So he's collecting her fluids as she's getting worse and worse and worse and worse and worse, and he's using them as paint for his paintings.
• 25:02
  SPEAKER_01: And uh I won't well, I guess it doesn't really matter if I give the ending away.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_01: It's a 40-year-old movie, yeah.
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_01: And spoiler alert.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Spoiler alert.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Uh it was all in the this whole this was all in his head.
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_01: The whole thing was in his head.
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: His his wife died.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: And um in the beginning, you know, you get the feeling that he's living alone in this apartment because of like some kind of loss, whether it was a breakup or something.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_01: But basically, what happened was his wife died.
• 25:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, he kept his wife's body in the apartment, and he imagined that he went and got this mermaid.
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_03: So is that the mermaid in the bathtub?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_03: The mermaid in the bathtub is his dead wife, rotting and his was he really painting with him?
• 25:53
  SPEAKER_01: He was really painting with the stuff.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_03: Just no mermaid, dead wife.
• 25:56
  SPEAKER_03: Right, right.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_01: Sick.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: It was all like it was like a psychosis brought on by you know the the trauma of losing his wife.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And then there's there's some downstairs neighbors who are they're always they've always been kind of suspect of him.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: But one day they're like having they're like having lunch, and like finally all these fluids make their way through the ceiling and like start drop dripping on their lunch table.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: So they go up there and then they discover this gruesome scene.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Cats out and then they call the cops on him and stuff, yeah.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_03: And the US the viewer goes, Oh, okay, this is what's going on.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Would you watch it again?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: I would watch it again, like if you were like, I want to see that, let's sit down and watch it.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: I would say, yeah, let's let's do it.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_03: Is this another did you find it on YouTube?
• 26:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, these are both like grainy YouTube gotcha copies that I there's I tried to like find one to rent on streaming and I I had no luck.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 26:53
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_03: The first one, something something, something Pinocchio?
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 964 Pinocchio.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_01: Nine six Pinocchio.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: That's his that's his rope robot designation.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_03: And the second one was Mermaid in the Sewer Hole.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_01: Mermaid in a manhole.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_03: In a manhole.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_01: And these are probably the weirdest of the ones that I watched.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: And they were definitely um older and very niche and you know, not widely available on streaming or anything like that.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: So these were my these are my really deep dives.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds interesting, I'll give you that.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_03: Sounds very interesting.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_01: But I wanted to find something that was really out there because I know sometimes they get out there.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_03: That's what's great about Walpole.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, sir.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_03: All right, I've got that everyone knows this one from America too, and then I'm gonna go into probably some a lot of our viewers, and I definitely hadn't heard of, but it's probably to watch.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_03: This is um June on aka The Grudge 2002.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, director Takashi Shimishunchi, uh type of horror, it's Avengeful Spirits Curse, supernatural horror.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_03: And again, I'm right off the bat, I like this better than the Sarah Michelle Geller one, man.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, I love better.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: Same thing.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: I saw this, saw the American one first, then went back and watched the Japanese one and realized that the Japanese one's superior.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, if the ring makes you afraid of technology, this one makes you afraid of your own home.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, right?
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and that's arguably worse.
• 28:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:25
  SPEAKER_01: If you can't be comfortable and relaxed in your own home, then something's wrong.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_03: And I have just you I'm sure you know the premise if people who listening don't.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_03: When someone dies with intense rage, hatred, or resentment, that emotional energy doesn't simply disappear.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 28:42
  SPEAKER_03: It becomes a curse.
• 28:43
  SPEAKER_03: And that curse infects the location where this terrible event occurred.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_01: It clings to the house.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_03: And anyone who enters becomes vulnerable.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_03: That the important word is anyone.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_03: There isn't necessarily a heroic solution.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_03: You can't see simply defeat it.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_03: You can't reason with it.
• 29:01
  SPEAKER_03: You can't apologize.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_03: You can't outrun this curse.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_03: And that's pretty, pretty scary, man.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: It really is.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it really is.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and uh the the ghost is there's two of them.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the Kaya Koho is one of the most disturbing ghosts ever put on film, I thought.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's terrifying.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_03: It really is.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_03: Her signature character look, it's the pale face.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_03: Again, we got that long black hair, twisted body movements.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: Unbelievable.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_03: Uncomfortable.
• 29:30
  SPEAKER_03: The croaking.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 29:32
  SPEAKER_03: That croaking, uh gurgling vocalization, the sudden appearances, uh, completely unnatural physical movements in it.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_03: I was down for it.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: I loved it.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_03: I loved it.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_01: No, I agree.
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's not, you know, we don't get scared easy.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_01: So when something really unsettles me and gets under my skin, I'm about it.
• 29:54
  SPEAKER_03: And I would watch these two again.
• 29:55
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I absolutely love it.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: Big time.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_01: If you haven't, if you've only ever seen their American versions, do yourself a favor and go watch both of those.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: And then I I every time I see the little boy uh Toshio.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_01: I yeah.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: He he's the creepy little boy.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_03: He's a creepy ghost child.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the ghost child.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: And I always think of Scary Movie.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_01: I was just gonna say they made fun of this scene in Scary Movie.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_03: And they did it really well.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 30:23
  SPEAKER_03: But he works because he's often presented almost like an innocent child who happens to be completely wrong.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_03: You know?
• 30:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you I mean, I'm not gonna say you you can't tell what's wrong.
• 30:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's obvious something's off, but like kids aren't supposed to be like that.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, no, no.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_03: He he it to me, he uh really represents something that has been corrupted beyond recovery.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_01: It's taking something as pure and you know, sweet and innocent as a child and just totally corrupting it.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_03: And the structure is bringing of this film.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: One of the most effective things in this movie tricks is that it doesn't tell the story in a straightforward chronological fashion.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_03: Instead, you jump between two different people at different points in their time.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_03: Like that results in almost like watching the curse spread, I felt like.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_03: And it really does it well how it gels everything together.
• 31:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you have to piece it together, and then when you see the whole picture, you realize the whole picture is cursed.
• 31:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_03: And it's cultural roots on looking this up.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_03: The concept connects with the older Japanese tradition of Kadaian, stories involving ghosts and supernatural vengeance.
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_03: Japanese horror famous female ghost, including figures like Sadoko and Kayako have deep roots in these traditions.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_01: I that I came across that word as well, uh, using to describe like a particular kind of Japanese horror film.
• 32:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like you said, it's got the supernatural, the ghost or the possession or the vengeful spirit or whatever.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_03: And I really dug these, I can see why America wanted to make these two movies.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, for sure.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_03: You know, they I mean, just watching it, you're like, yeah, we need to make this.
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, 100%.
• 32:20
  SPEAKER_03: And I think you you kind of touched up on it earlier.
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_03: I think we did it with a lot of respect.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_03: I think if hopefully the Japanese culture would be like, it's not ours, but you did we tip our hat.
• 32:31
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_01: I would think that was about those two movies for sure.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_01: Well, here's one from 2020.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: 2012.
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's called Helter Skelter.
• 32:44
  SPEAKER_01: And Japanese or Korean?
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I'm still on the Japanese.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_01: I'm I'm gonna ride with you through the Japanese movies and then I'll jump to the Korean films at the end.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Helter Skelter 2012.
• 32:57
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's about a girl who is like the top model and actress in Japan.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_01: But in order to like stay on top of things, she has to uh get a lot of cosmetic surgery to stay on, you know, to stay relevant.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_01: Stay like the substance.
• 33:18
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and that's that's where I was going with this, is is it's uh very it reminded me a lot of a horror movie called the Neon Demon.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you ever saw that.
• 33:29
  SPEAKER_01: And I and it reminded me a lot of the substance.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: And but this predates both of those movies by quite a bit of time.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm wondering how much Helter Skelter influenced um movies like The Substance.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, she she has to get all these cosmetic procedures done to stay relevant, but of course, there are unexpected side effects to these procedures, and this is where um I did kind of see some Cronenberg creeping in.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_01: Okay now Cronenberg, of course, did his did a lot of his work way before 2012.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_01: So some of the things that were happening to because it does go full body horror.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um yeah, I loved it.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_01: It goes full body horror as sh as she's kind of falling apart.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_01: Because these these procedures I I guess I'll just say they weren't meant to last.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_01: It's almost like when you get an iPhone, you know it's gonna work great for like two years.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: And then it's gonna start falling apart.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and you're gonna have to just go get a new one.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of like I feel like it's kind of talking about that.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like um, yeah, it's great, but it's there's gonna be upkeep.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_01: And if you don't bother with the upkeep, you're gonna pay the price.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_03: There's gonna be guessing she pays the price.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, she does.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_01: But there's a yeah, there's some things in towards the end where she's kind of fallen apart that kind of took me back to some Cronenberg stuff, like Racerhead or something like well, like scanners and stuff where yeah, it's just it just goes into that territory.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_01: Territory got really so.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_01: I thought as I was watching Helter Skelter, I thought they were influenced by Cronenberg, and then they influenced people like Neon Demon, the substance.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_03: That now, out of the ones you've talked, I mean, this seems like one I really want to watch.
• 35:36
  SPEAKER_03: Body horror is not my thing, but I I think I would like this.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think you would too.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_01: I think you would too.
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_01: But there's two more on my Japanese list that I think you might like even more.
• 35:46
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_01: But you got you got some more?
• 35:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yes.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_03: The next one I got, and this was really cool.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, it's I uh 1997 Cure.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 35:56
  SPEAKER_01: I've heard of it, but I haven't seen it.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_03: Uh it's the main character is a detective to copy.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_03: It's a psychological serial killer, supernatural, extensional film.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_03: And this is the movie that I I I mean, I really, really like this one, man.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_03: And I really want you to watch it and our listeners to watch it again.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's come up on my list more than once, and uh, I want to see it.
• 36:23
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 36:24
  SPEAKER_03: Cure is horrifying because it makes you question what if hum human beings can be manipulated to something into committing hor horrific acts without fully understanding why.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: And they really play into the the murders, as seriously seemingly unrelated murders, are being committed.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: The victims are killed in similar ways, but there's something really, I'll just say bizarre about them, and it makes you you really do like, what the heck is going on?
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_03: Could you call it psychological?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, 100%.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: The killer don't don't appear to have obvious connections.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_03: And the detective, he's really getting into this, eventually he encounters a strange, unsettling man named Maya Nini.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I'm horrible with these names.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sure if anyone Japan is listening to this, I'm sorry.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_03: And uh Maya Niam becomes the center of the nightmare.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: And he doesn't behave like a traditional villa uh villain.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: He's very strange, he's detached, he's confused, almost empty.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, this one, it's really creepy, man.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_03: It's almost giving me the vibes of um The Exorcist III.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, okay.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_03: And if you dig that, this is in the same vein.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_03: And I think you'd really like it.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm excited to watch it.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I've all I've it's been on my list for quite a while, but now that I've heard your review of it, it it's it's jumping up to the top of my list.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_03: It's a movie, it deliberately doesn't give you easy, comfortable answers, and you have to keep questioning yourself like are people are the people being hypnotized?
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_03: Is there something super is it supernatural?
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_03: Is it psychological manipulation?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, is it humanity itself?
• 38:05
  SPEAKER_03: And this is really that Japanese culture.
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_03: You feel it in this movie, mate.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 38:10
  SPEAKER_03: It was a fun, fun watch.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_03: Cool.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I'm gonna have to check that out.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: Well, my next one is since you're talking about a serial killer, mine's similar to that.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's a 2008 movie, it's called Goth.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_01: And uh it's about a serial killer, and it's about two school kids, one boy, one girl, who are obsessed with the killings.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it reminds me at first, I was reminded of the beginning of ginger snaps.
• 38:39
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, nice.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, at the ginger snaps at the beginning, they're the the sisters are like recreating like gruesome deaths and taking photos, like Polaroids of their weird deaths and stuff.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: So that's kind of yeah, so that's kind of what these two classmates are doing at first.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_01: They're kind of like uh they're studying everything they can about these killings that are actually happening, and they're like almost not recreating but them, but kind of trying to restage them just to understand like logistically how this how these murders were co carried out.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_01: Getting in the mind of the killer.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, they were just but it's almost like they're just intellectually curious, you know.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's not like they're trying to solve it, and it's not like they have like a weird, like gruesome obsession, but it's like they're just both very curious intellectually about what's happening, and they're the only two people, I guess, who allow their minds to go to that place that it needs to go to really like be actually curious about it and quizzical about it and try to like figure anything out.
• 39:52
  SPEAKER_01: Most people see these terrible things on the news and they they shut it away in a dark corner.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_03: And these two were hey, we want to get in and see what's yeah, what's behind this scene.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, exactly.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_03: Fascinating.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was very fascinating, and it was really, really well done.
• 40:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and then it also reminded me a bit of deck of Dexter season six.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: What's on season six?
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_01: That's the one where the killer like he kills, but then he arranges the bodies in like an art scene, like kind of an artistic scene.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_01: So that that's what the killer in Goth does as well.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_01: So he he kills, but then he leaves the body arranged in like this almost like art display for the authorities to find.
• 40:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's part of also what fascinates these two kids is they're like they're like, we gotta we gotta understand this, you know.
• 40:49
  SPEAKER_03: And let me guess they start getting a little too close and catch the killer's attention.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh that's accurate.
• 40:55
  unknown: Okay.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_01: That's accurate, but there's more to it than you think.
• 40:58
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so it's it's it was really, really good, really well done.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and and I would say it's more like a more of a teenager kind of kind of like not not at all like Scream, but like how Scream is is like made for teens, basically.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is one where kind of whore thing.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_01: The audience is definitely more of a teenage audience.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_01: You see you're seeing the movie through the lens of these two roles.
• 41:31
  SPEAKER_01: Two well, one's a boy, one's a girl.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, okay.
• 41:34
  SPEAKER_01: But these two teenagers, yeah.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_01: So you're put in their um you're put in their shoes, you know, essentially.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_01: And that softens it a little bit, I think.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_01: But um their like curiosity and the lengths that they're willing to go to like restage these things and really truly understand them, elevates it, I think, beyond like quote unquote teenage or where are they recreating these in the places where the body was found.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_03: So they're sneaking in and yeah, yeah.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's yeah, they're going back, dude.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they're like cutting school or sneaking out after bedtime or doing what they have to do, going back to the actual crime scenes and then trying to like one of them usually poses as the victim, and the other one pretends to be the killer, and they like take photos and like they're really trying to recreate the scene and study it and get inside the mind of the of the killer.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds pretty cool, actually.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it was good, it was good.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_01: I liked it a lot.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_01: Would you say any of well?
• 42:47
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I'm I'm okay.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I'll leave that question for later.
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have any more on your list?
• 42:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, my last one here is called um get my note 2002, and let's see if you got this dark water.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: Have you got it?
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't have it on my list, but I've seen it.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, let's talk about it.
• 43:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, dark water's good.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_03: Supernatural, uh psychological, and I put domestic or wouldn't you?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
• 43:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's criminally effective, this movie.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the story is Yoshi Yoshoshimi, a single mother, moves into a rundown apartment with her younger daughter.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_03: She's already dealing with personal problems, then the apartment starts behaving strangely.
• 43:30
  SPEAKER_03: To put it, to say it least.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_01: To say the least, yeah.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_03: Water begins leaking, the water is dirty, things aren't right.
• 43:38
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, there are strange red children's paperback uh backpack becomes very important for people.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how much we want to give away in this movie.
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_03: And gradually uh Yoshishimi discovers the disturbing history of a missing girl.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_03: What do you think about this movie?
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: What I thought when I saw it was it's like.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is the place haunted or are the people haunted?
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's the question that it asks.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that that's that's an important question to always ask because if you're haunted in your life, you're gonna have trouble wherever you go.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_01: You're not gonna be able to run away from it.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_01: If the place is haunted, kind of like we were talking about with the grudge, like you can't once you're in it, it's too late, but but you can avoid going there.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, if you have the foresight or if somebody warns you or something, you can avoid it.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so haunted places are are avoidable, but if you're the haunted thing, the object is really hard.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_01: You ain't getting away from it.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_03: I found it very depressing, this movie.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_03: It's super sad.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_03: Dirty, sad.
• 44:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 44:55
  SPEAKER_03: Just felt a very melancholy watching.
• 44:57
  SPEAKER_01: Very melancholy.
• 44:58
  SPEAKER_01: That's the perfect word for it.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_03: Uh the water, I don't know if you it's very symbolic.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_03: Uh normal water represents life, cleansing, purification, safety most of the time.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_03: Here, water means something it's coming through.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_03: The ceilings leak, the walls become dense, the elevator becomes very frightened, the apartment seems increasing increasingly contaminated the more you go on.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_01: And it's being contaminated by something that's supposed to, like you said, be bringing you life, giving you life, sustaining your life.
• 45:32
  SPEAKER_01: And instead, it's delivering the exact opposite.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: It is, isn't it?
• 45:37
  SPEAKER_03: The supernatural story ultimately connects Yoshishimi and her daughter to the ghost of a child who was neglected and abandoned.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_03: And this creates one of the movie's most tragic elements.
• 45:49
  SPEAKER_03: The ghost isn't frightened simply because she's evil.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_03: She's frightening because she's a child who was abandoned.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_03: And that that's the most frightening thing.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: But I highly recommend it that's a really good movie.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_03: I was so impressed with all these.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_03: I want to make it a monthly thing where I'm checking out um overseas films, especially the Japanese work, because they handle it's touch respect with these bigger movies.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know about the Pinocchio and the Mermaid movie, but all these I watched were really well done, great acting, and you that you just something about the people over there.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_03: You I I feel it.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_03: They're living it, man.
• 46:29
  SPEAKER_01: They're um they're not just trying to scare your pants off.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_01: They're trying to put out a quality piece of art that has something to say.
• 46:42
  SPEAKER_03: And it's everything is, I think, a a product of its environment and what these in real life of what they're going through.
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_03: Very symbolic man.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I agree.
• 46:51
  SPEAKER_01: I agree.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_01: Well, my last Japanese one is actually a zombie comedy.
• 46:58
  SPEAKER_01: It's called One Cut of the Dead.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, cool.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_01: And it is awesome.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_01: Is that like a shot of the dead?
• 47:05
  SPEAKER_01: I was reminded of that at first, but then it goes in a different direction.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_01: And um, it is the only found footage movie on Rotten Tomatoes to have a hundred percent.
• 47:19
  SPEAKER_03: No way.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 47:21
  SPEAKER_01: Unanimously liked by the critics and the audience.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: Uh basically, it's it's basically three 37-minute episodes.
• 47:33
  SPEAKER_03: Three 37-minute episodes, okay.
• 47:35
  SPEAKER_01: So it's a little over an hour and a half long.
• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's called One Cut of the Dead because it starts off as um it's like I said, found footage.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_01: They find a 37-minute tape, and it's a continuous shot, one like a like a handheld cam.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_01: No cuts.
• 47:57
  SPEAKER_01: It doesn't, that's why it's called One Cut of the Dead.
• 47:59
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_01: There's no cuts for the first 37 minutes.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: It's just one continuous shot showing uh like a zombie outbreak.
• 48:07
  SPEAKER_01: So you're you're watching this and you're thinking that I'm, you know, I'm watching this found footage zombie movie, right?
• 48:14
  SPEAKER_01: Then it goes into act two and it spends 37 minutes um uh getting to know the well, let me back up real quick because the premise is these people are gonna go shoot a zombie movie.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_01: With the real zombies, no, they're they go to shoot a zombie movie.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_01: But then an actual zombie break happens while they're shooting the movie, and they just happen to catch it on camera in one cut.
• 48:45
  SPEAKER_01: That's and then that's where the name comes.
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_01: So then um the next 37-minute segment shows you uh like all the people involved with the movie.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_01: You you get to know them.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_01: Actors, extras, the guy who's the cameraman, the guy who's directing it.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: You just kind of get to know them in the second part of the movie.
• 49:08
  SPEAKER_01: So now you're it's kind of giving color to what you just saw.
• 49:11
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_01: You're like, oh, that's that's the guy who you know got his face bit off, right?
• 49:20
  SPEAKER_01: So now you're getting a little, you're getting you're getting to know these people, right?
• 49:24
  SPEAKER_01: And then the third act shows you that it was all planned, the whole thing was planned.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: It's all there, it there wasn't an actual zombie outbreak.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: It was like they planned a movie within a movie.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's pretty neat.
• 49:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and so and then like there's there's scenes, you know, in the first act where um you know, the person gets dragged off camera, and then the blood's like spraying into the frame and stuff like that.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_01: And but in the third act, there's they show you like all the the extras off camera, like with buckets of blood, and they're like pulling it into the shop and stuff like that.
• 50:01
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah, it was really good, really good and very creative and funny.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: So uh, yeah, one cut of the dead.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_01: The first is like straight, you know, zombie movie, and then the second is almost like behind the scenes.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: So, did you know you were getting into a horror comedy?
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_01: Or was it?
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I did, I did.
• 50:20
  SPEAKER_01: I knew it was gonna be a comedy, um, and I knew that like uh I I didn't know like you know ultimately where it was gonna go.
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_01: I knew though that it was a comedy, and I knew that it was like universally loved by the critics and the audience alike.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: Is it well learned?
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, it's it's really, really funny.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like there's a scene when you get to the behind-the-scenes stuff, like they had a uh I don't know what you call it, but it's like those cranes where you can get a high shot with the camera.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it is just called a crane, but yeah, um they like accidentally knock the crane over and it breaks.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_01: And at first they're upset because like they're not gonna get their deposit back because they broke the crane that they rented, but then it becomes like, well, how are we gonna get this shot?
• 51:08
  SPEAKER_01: You know, so they have all these people who are like in zombie makeup making like a cheerleader style human pyramid so that the camera guy can get on top of the pyramid and get the high shot.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's awesome.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_01: It's just funny, funny stuff like that.
• 51:24
  SPEAKER_01: But the great part is like when you see, you know, when when they call back to things that you saw in the first act and you see how it was accomplished, right?
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it was that was really satisfying.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: That was awesome.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it and it's funny.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's really, really funny.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's how did you find this one?
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_01: Or where can I watch it?
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_01: That one I I did um just stream that one.
• 51:47
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember what the service was, but I paid like$2.99 to rent it, you know.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Helter Skelter and Goth and One Coat of the Dead, I was able to rent on streaming.
• 51:58
  SPEAKER_01: The other two I found on YouTube.
• 52:01
  SPEAKER_03: Goth and uh that that one you just described sound really awesome.
• 52:05
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna check those out.
• 52:06
  SPEAKER_01: You would like I I think you would like both of those quite a bit.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so we're already at 50 minutes, but I want to get this get these Korean films in.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: And um as I said up top, the Korean films are a lot more traditional and don't really get weird.
• 52:25
  SPEAKER_01: You say they play more off of American film.
• 52:27
  SPEAKER_01: I would I that's how I felt.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_01: I felt like this is this is uh not unlike the American horror films that we're used to.
• 52:35
  SPEAKER_01: But they do bring in, you know, the culture, the Korean culture, specifically Buddhism is a big theme in a lot of these movies.
• 52:44
  SPEAKER_01: So just real quick, I'll run down the five that I watched.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um the first one I watched, and all of these I rented all of these.
• 52:51
  SPEAKER_01: Oh these were all the Korean ones seem to be a little more readily available for renting on streaming.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_01: I didn't have to go down any rabbit holes to find these.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_01: Uh the first one I watched is called Exuma.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_01: Exuma.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_01: Exuma, like exhuma, exhuming a body like out of a grave.
• 53:10
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, and that's exactly what it's about.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_01: Is this this Korean businessman has a son, and his son, his baby son is like really sick.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he's taking it to the taking his son to the doctors, and none of the doctors can figure out why his son is sick.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_01: So he goes to a Buddhist shaman, and the shaman is like, oh, well, the spirit of your grandfather is angry about the conditions of his burial.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_01: So he's gonna haunt your grandkid until you dang until you make it right.
• 53:48
  SPEAKER_01: So this businessman, you know, he's got all this money in the he's got all the money in the world.
• 53:53
  SPEAKER_01: So he puts together this team of like exhumers and like shamans and um geomancers and like all these Buddhist, you know, spiritual specialists.
• 54:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and their job is to basically find the grandfather's grave and um figure out how to appease him so that he stops, you know, making this little baby sick.
• 54:23
  SPEAKER_01: That sounds interesting, doesn't it?
• 54:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's very interesting.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_01: And then of course it it it uh you get to see a lot of like I said, you it's like it's it's it's conventionally American in the way that it goes about like formula and stuff and the construction of it and the cinematography and everything.
• 54:43
  SPEAKER_01: But it's got this whole that storytelling shaman uh angle to it.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_01: Is that a religious supernatural though?
• 54:52
  SPEAKER_01: I would say, yeah, I'd say it's very much a religious horror movie, but it's not Catholic.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: A dog war rude to the exorcism.
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly, exactly.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, so in the end, you know, you find out the grandfather, he's it's it's more than just meets the eye.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, he's uh he's upset, but it's not necessarily because of why Shaman initially suspected that he was upset.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: Nice.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'll check that out.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: That one was good.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I watched uh one called Metamorphosis um 2019.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: Exuma, by the way, is pretty new, 2024.
• 55:29
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 55:30
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Metamorphosis 2019.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_01: This one was interesting because it was in the same vein, that religious horror.
• 55:38
  SPEAKER_01: But this one did go Catholic.
• 55:40
  SPEAKER_01: This one, the the you know, the main character is a he's a Korean guy, speaks Korean, but he's a Catholic priest.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: He's a father, he's like a father in but in Korea.
• 55:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 55:55
  SPEAKER_01: And uh he's gotta deal with a it's a possession, but it's it's this this demon likes to jump from person to person.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_03: Is uh like Ninzel Washington's The Fallen?
• 56:11
  SPEAKER_03: Very much like The Fallen.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_01: Good.
• 56:13
  SPEAKER_01: And very and I watched The Fallen not too long ago.
• 56:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's a great movie, just maybe a month or two ago, and I I did draw some parallels between to me, it was very it's very exorcist for sure, but it's also very much something like The Fallen.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good good pickup on that.
• 56:30
  SPEAKER_01: But it was this one was the distinctly the most American, I think, of the ones that I watched.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I agree.
• 56:35
  SPEAKER_01: And it was very interesting to see the Koreans take on your standard Catholic religious horror.
• 56:42
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty good, worth the watch.
• 56:43
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah, it was it was very good.
• 56:44
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 56:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was very good.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_01: This poor guy, this he this poor priest.
• 56:49
  SPEAKER_01: Go through the ring again.
• 56:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and and basically what what happens is at the beginning, he tries to exercise somebody and it and it goes wrong, and he gets kind of blamed for it.
• 57:02
  SPEAKER_01: And he doesn't get excommunicated, but he gets kind of like uh he kind of becomes an outcast in his in his own church.
• 57:12
  SPEAKER_01: Does that mess with him?
• 57:13
  SPEAKER_01: And it mess with him brought up questioning things.
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: But then like somebody in his own extended family gets possessed, and they're like, Well, let's call Uncle So-and-so, because he's a he's a legit priest, he's a priest, and you know.
• 57:30
  SPEAKER_01: But he's like, he's gotta not only deal with the fact that his confidence has been shaken and his faith a little bit has been shaken.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, honestly, it kind of reminded me of Father Callahan from Salem's Lot.
• 57:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:44
  SPEAKER_01: And in the Dark Tower.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 57:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um it does sound a lot like that.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it has that element too.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 57:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was it was very, very interesting, very good.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, have you heard of A Tale of Two Sisters?
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: No.
• 57:56
  SPEAKER_01: This one is a fairly well-known Korean film.
• 58:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, it's uh these two sisters have been in an institution since their mom committed suicide.
• 58:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 58:11
  SPEAKER_01: And they're finally released from the institution, and they come home to their dad, who has remarried without telling them.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: And they have they have to deal with their new stepmother, their new stepmother, who is not very nice to them.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: And that's all I'll say, but I will also say that again, way more than meets the eye.
• 58:34
  SPEAKER_03: What what kind of whore are we talking?
• 58:36
  SPEAKER_01: Way more than meets the eye.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: Um I mean, she's revenge whore.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: She's brutal.
• 58:42
  SPEAKER_01: She's brutal to them at first.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_01: Um I don't want to say much.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's really It sounds like it could be an episode of uh Tales from the Crib.
• 58:53
  SPEAKER_01: It really goes in a different place than you like they set you on this path, and you think like oh, I know where that's what's going on exactly, exactly.
• 59:02
  SPEAKER_01: Really?
• 59:03
  SPEAKER_01: And then they go in a the Tale of Two Sisters?
• 59:05
  SPEAKER_01: Uh a Tale of Two Sisters, yeah.
• 59:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what year?
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: 20 uh 2003.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_01: Someone looked that okay.
• 59:11
  SPEAKER_01: It's a little older.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_01: A little older, but this and this is one of the ones that's a little better known.
• 59:16
  SPEAKER_01: But as you were talking earlier, super high production value.
• 59:22
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, fantastic direction, fantastic performances.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_01: The acting on from all the two sisters, the stepmom, the dad.
• 59:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they knock it out of the park, acting wise.
• 59:36
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I haven't seen it, but like if you know, for that movie to really hit the nail, that stepmother, if she's not if you're not hating her, you're not in the movie, so it sounds like you're hating her.
• 59:47
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, you hate her.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, cool.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: You hated her.
• 59:50
  SPEAKER_01: Self-sufficient.
• 59:51
  SPEAKER_01: All right, two more quick.
• 59:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um I watched this movie called The Mimic.
• 59:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I've heard of the American Mimic.
• 59:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this one's different.
• 1:00:00
  SPEAKER_01: This one's a lot different.
• 1:00:01
  SPEAKER_01: But this is kind of uh like the haunted location that we've been talking about a little bit.
• 1:00:08
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but this one's it's centered around a cave.
• 1:00:11
  SPEAKER_01: Um like they they have like a little preface at the start.
• 1:00:17
  SPEAKER_01: This kid goes missing, and they never find the kid.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: And the uh the rumor mill around this little village is that you know the kid went into the cave and never came out.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_04: Okay.
• 1:00:31
  SPEAKER_01: And so they they uh basically block the cave off and you know, leave it to rot until enough time goes back goes by that they kind of just they forget about it, really.
• 1:00:47
  SPEAKER_01: Then somebody buys the land that the cave's on and they open the cave back up.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_01: And it's on.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, and and now the whole town's got to deal with the whole town.
• 1:00:58
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it it well the whole town gets drawn into the uh basically another kid goes missing, but then uh like everybody gets involved with trying to find yeah, find the kid and solve the mystery.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: And um, but yeah, it's kind of like you're saying, it just it's it spreads.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: Mimic.
• 1:01:21
  SPEAKER_01: This this uh you know, kind of ghostly in infection, you know.
• 1:01:27
  SPEAKER_01: It just it just spreads to everybody in the town and drink draws everybody into the the story.
• 1:01:34
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, you know.
• 1:01:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was pretty good.
• 1:01:36
  SPEAKER_01: This one, this next last one, and this is probably the weirdest, it's not weird though, but but probably the strangest of the Korean ones.
• 1:01:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's called The Piper.
• 1:01:46
  SPEAKER_01: And huh?
• 1:01:47
  SPEAKER_03: I was just saying the Pied Piper.
• 1:01:49
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the that's the I think the the inspiration.
• 1:01:55
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, is it's like, what if we made a modern day version of the Pied Piper, basically?
• 1:02:00
  SPEAKER_01: So it's takes place, it was this movie came out in 2015, but it takes place during the Korean War.
• 1:02:08
  SPEAKER_01: So this guy is basically fleeing the the north-south line because the war is happening, you know, at the you know, on the border, right, between the north and the south.
• 1:02:21
  SPEAKER_01: He's fleeing this with his with his young child.
• 1:02:26
  SPEAKER_01: And he comes across this village, and the village is like willing to take him in, you know, you're you'll be safe here.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:02:35
  SPEAKER_01: So he's him and his son are in this village, and they're taking care of him, he's making friends, and it's all going okay, you know.
• 1:02:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then one night um he realizes that they have like a rat infestation in this village.
• 1:02:54
  SPEAKER_01: So he goes to the village elder and he's like, I really appreciate everything y'all have done for me, and I I want to do something to pay you back, earn my keep.
• 1:03:05
  SPEAKER_01: You know, is it okay with you if I try to do something about this rat problem?
• 1:03:10
  SPEAKER_01: And they're like, Yeah, uh, you know, absolutely, please do.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_01: So he um he he has he was like a he might have been a doctor before the war or something.
• 1:03:23
  SPEAKER_01: He has this powder or he knows of this powder, and um he knows that the rats will basically follow it.
• 1:03:33
  SPEAKER_01: So he makes a little trail, like all he makes little trails all throughout the village, and then he he has all the trails connect into one final trail that goes into a cave.
• 1:03:45
  SPEAKER_01: So again, with a cave, and all the rats go into this cave, and then he walls the cave shut, and and um so now the rats are gone, like there's no more rats.
• 1:03:57
  SPEAKER_01: They're in the cave, right?
• 1:03:59
  SPEAKER_01: And so he's like the you know, the hero of the town loves him.
• 1:04:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, town loves him.
• 1:04:05
  SPEAKER_01: Town absolutely loves him.
• 1:04:06
  SPEAKER_01: Well, something goes haywire.
• 1:04:10
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember exactly because I couldn't find this in in English, so I had to watch it in Korean with subtitles.
• 1:04:18
  SPEAKER_01: So something happened, and his kid uh got hurt like really bad, like was gonna if he didn't get help, he was the kid was gonna die.
• 1:04:29
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 1:04:30
  SPEAKER_01: And the village was basically kind of like, well, there's nothing we can really do.
• 1:04:36
  SPEAKER_01: And he's kind of like, I I just helped y'all out, you know, like help me out, help me out, you know.
• 1:04:42
  SPEAKER_01: And they they're very indifferent, you know, about his plight.
• 1:04:48
  SPEAKER_01: So he decides, well, I guess the only choice I have.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_01: No, he's not too happy.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_01: He goes, I guess the only choice I have is because I'm gonna walk back, I gotta walk back towards the front, see if I can find help over there.
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_01: Well, as he's as they're trekking with his injured and increasingly sick kid, the kid doesn't make it.
• 1:05:07
  SPEAKER_01: Oh man.
• 1:05:08
  SPEAKER_01: So he decides I'm gonna go back and let those rats out.
• 1:05:12
  SPEAKER_01: That's exactly what he does.
• 1:05:14
  SPEAKER_01: And they're hungry.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so he goes and he opens up the cage.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_03: That's going to happen.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_01: But he he takes all the there's some about like the parents sleep inside, but the kids sleep out like under the stars kind of thing.
• 1:05:30
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, he takes all this all the powder that he has and he he sets it on fire, and basically um he he douses the adults with the smoke from the fire.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, like because they're sleeping separate from the kids.
• 1:05:54
  SPEAKER_01: He finds a way to like get so the smoke only gets on the adults so that when he lets The rats out.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_01: The rats go and attack the adults.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: Pied Piper.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:04
  SPEAKER_01: Well, then here's the real where it really gets Pied Piper.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_01: Um the kids turn to him because they're like, You're the only adult now.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 1:06:14
  SPEAKER_01: And he actually gets out like a little pipe and plays a pipe and leads the kids, and they think To safety.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_01: He's leading them to safety.
• 1:06:23
  SPEAKER_01: And he leads them back to that same cave.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_01: And locks them in.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_01: And locks all the kids in the room.
• 1:06:27
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:06:28
  SPEAKER_03: Because his son died, and that's weird.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
• 1:06:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:06:31
  SPEAKER_01: So all the adults are a fun movie.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_01: All the adults get eaten by the rats, and all the kids get locked in the rats.
• 1:06:38
  SPEAKER_03: I can really much tell the difference between that Japanese, like you said, and the Korean are very much American more standard.
• 1:06:46
  SPEAKER_03: You're right on with that.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:06:48
  SPEAKER_03: That sounds interesting.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was creepy.
• 1:06:51
  SPEAKER_03: And that one was called Piper.
• 1:06:52
  SPEAKER_01: The Piper, yeah.
• 1:06:53
  SPEAKER_01: The Piper.
• 1:06:54
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was creepy.
• 1:06:55
  SPEAKER_01: And it's got it has, you know, the kids, they never show the kids really getting hurt, you know.
• 1:07:01
  SPEAKER_01: But the parents being eaten alive.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh yeah.
• 1:07:04
  SPEAKER_01: They there's some good scenes of the parents getting munched on.
• 1:07:08
  SPEAKER_03: That's that's awesome.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_03: I had a lot of fun digging into uh other cultures.
• 1:07:13
  SPEAKER_01: Totally different exercise.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:07:15
  SPEAKER_01: You know, and and like I said, like I was somewhat familiar with you know both uh Korean and Japanese.
• 1:07:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'd you know, I'd seen The Ring, I'd seen Train Dubusan, I'd seen Old Boy, R I love Old Boy, you know, I've seen those movies, but when you really get into some of the lesser-known stuff, and like you said, you kind of get into what's the message underneath all this?
• 1:07:41
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah and how is it influenced by the culture and by what was happening in their country at the time?
• 1:07:47
  SPEAKER_01: Because really we have no clue.
• 1:07:49
  SPEAKER_01: No, you know, we like to think that we're the trendsetters here in America, but we don't really know what you know what was going on in Japan in 1997 or what they were going through or in Korea in 2005.
• 1:08:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like they had their own set of unique circumstances that we have no awareness of that were influencing the kind of movies that were being made at the time.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_03: But watching those movies now, you can kind of get a sense what the times were like and what certain people were going through.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's the importance of not just horror movies, but all movies.
• 1:08:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you know, and that's why it's a time capsule almost, right?
• 1:08:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's why it's important to branch out and watch some of these international productions because it really does expand your horizons.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_00: I'm glad we did it.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: I am super glad that you uh brought this up as as a potential topic, and I'm glad that we did it.
• 1:08:41
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and I I feel the same way as what you just said a minute ago, which is this won't be the end of my journey into me, into watching you know, Japanese and and Korean films.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_01: Uh when you know, when uh I hear any rumblings of, oh, have you heard of this great new flick coming out of Japan or coming out of Korea?
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna wait.
• 1:09:07
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna go well, I'm we're still made.
• 1:09:09
  SPEAKER_03: I want to check out Russia.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna check out all these countries.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_03: You know what I mean?
• 1:09:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and that's what I was thinking too, is like uh you and I have talked a little bit about like the horror films that have come out out of Australia or Italy.
• 1:09:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um you know, Spain has Scotland's got the Redwood mask, yeah.
• 1:09:28
  SPEAKER_01: Scotland.
• 1:09:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, Spain has a great history of putting out some good horror movies.
• 1:09:33
  SPEAKER_01: So, but yeah, I was thinking, you know, what are we mix what else are we missing?
• 1:09:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we talked we talked about we talked about Asian horror in a broad sense, but we really only focused on Japanese and Korean.
• 1:09:45
  SPEAKER_01: But there's Chinese, there's Filipino, like there's gotta be stuff out there that we're missing out on.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_01: Well, this was fun.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_01: What are we gonna be talking about next week, Paul?
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_01: Next week, we're gonna be doing a fun little exercise where we talk about films that came out the year we were born.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_03: So what we're dating ourselves up.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, what year were you born, Cody?
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Uh 2018.
• 1:10:13
  SPEAKER_01: 1985.
• 1:10:14
  SPEAKER_01: 1985.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_01: And I was born in 1978.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna be talking about a handful of horror movies that came out in 78.
• 1:10:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the obvious one's gonna be Halloween.
• 1:10:27
  SPEAKER_03: You might dodge that one though, because we've everyone knows that.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, you might have to be.
• 1:10:30
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna I'm gonna yeah, I'm gonna, you know, mention it.
• 1:10:33
  SPEAKER_03: But kind of like Fright Night, that's my movie, but I I'm gonna get into lesser known ones of eight fucking.
• 1:10:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: I want to I want to know all the stuff that came out that year and see if there's anything that I haven't seen.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_03: I like stumping you.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and I hope you watch Alone in the Dark.
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I will we'll watch uh Summer of Fear.
• 1:10:51
  SPEAKER_01: Summer of Fear, yeah.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Check it out.
• 1:10:53
  SPEAKER_01: You guys check them out too.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_01: All right, y'all.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_01: Come back next week for 1978 and 1985.
• 1:11:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, have fun.
• 1:11:01
  SPEAKER_01: You know, we're in September, we're getting close to the booking season, it's right here.
• 1:11:04
  SPEAKER_01: So I've started to get the decorations out.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_01: It's gonna be good.
• 1:11:08
  SPEAKER_01: You guys be good.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Take care, y'all.