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Detroit Tigers Get Back On Track · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tigers Territory, part of
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  Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Never Day Try Tiger's Podcast. I'm Karen
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  Speaker 1: Stickley with me as always a man who's got barbecue
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  Speaker 1: smoke at his lungs and red dirt in his veins.
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  Speaker 2: He's Cody staved Eggan. How you doing that?
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  Speaker 3: Does not sound healthy at all, but hey, I get
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  Speaker 3: what you're going for. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Hey. The good
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  Speaker 3: thing about doing this three times a week now we
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  Speaker 3: get to ride the roller coaster even more. The Tigers
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  Speaker 3: are back, baby. They had two bad games, they didn't hit.
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  Speaker 3: They get back home to a little Comerica Park and
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  Speaker 3: have a nice series opener against the Royals. Beat up
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  Speaker 3: on old friend Michael Lorenzen a little bit rhese Olsen back,
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  Speaker 3: Rightley green back. So tonight, at least for one night,
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  Speaker 3: we got some good things to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: We do, and and we'll try to filter in some
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  Speaker 1: of the stuff that transpired post our last conversation, but
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  Speaker 1: can't help.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, we're doing this.
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  Speaker 1: Just a little bit after the Tigers wrapped up a
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  Speaker 1: six to one victory over the Kansas City Royals, a
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  Speaker 1: team that like if we are going to kind of
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  Speaker 1: like blow up like one game and let's just lean
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  Speaker 1: into it for the sake of having fun here on
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  Speaker 1: Thursday night, Cody, is that like if you're if you
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  Speaker 1: were going to be looking for things to get like
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  Speaker 1: really concerned about with the Tigers, it's that you are
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  Speaker 1: at home against a team that is really more right
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  Speaker 1: and you got and you got four games at home there,
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  Speaker 1: and they're obviously going to be chief competition down the line.
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  Speaker 1: We all believe, we all like, you know, the Royals
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  Speaker 1: as some of their talent there, So like you don't
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  Speaker 1: want to have like that letdown series in general. But
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  Speaker 1: obviously the the opener of the series, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: Tigers six and one and series openers obviously opening Day,
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  Speaker 1: the one blame image there kind of kind of funny,
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  Speaker 1: kind of funny, uh, get get the gloryin reviews national television,
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  Speaker 1: Get the gloryin reviews on national television about your Detroit Tigers.
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  Speaker 2: So it was like music to everybody's.
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  Speaker 1: Years in the three one three, Cody, because Riley Green,
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  Speaker 1: you know, came back. He was three for five today
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  Speaker 1: and it's not it's not like he was three for
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  Speaker 1: five and he was a you know, one hit short
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  Speaker 1: of the cycle, or you know, he got a hold
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  Speaker 1: of a hangar and put it into the upper deck,
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  Speaker 1: or he just kind of was a hitter today, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And I actually think that's better.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's actually like a better sign of him
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  Speaker 1: kind of you know, getting out of the slump that
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  Speaker 1: he's on one for his last thirty four coming in,
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  Speaker 1: had a oh for twenty streak in there, right, Like
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  Speaker 1: I'd actually rather see him kind of do this and
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  Speaker 1: by the way, do it and run producing situation as well.
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  Speaker 1: So like that kind of stuff was good to see.
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  Speaker 1: And then Reese Olsen kind of getting back on track
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. Five innings for four hits. He had
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  Speaker 1: a couple walks there, and and I didn't write down
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  Speaker 1: the strikeouts. I'll look at that real quick, sorry, doing
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  Speaker 1: this live. And five strikeouts. The change up was working
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  Speaker 1: for Reese Alston. So the Tigers changed up a lot
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  Speaker 1: of things that were not going so well for them recently.
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  Speaker 1: There's your play there, you go.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think I think we just talked a
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  Speaker 3: little bit more about Riley Green. It was interesting trying
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  Speaker 3: to look deeper into just what his struggles were. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I watched some side angle videos of his swing, and
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  Speaker 3: like it didn't seem like there was some glaring mechanical flaw,
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  Speaker 3: but his hands were lagging behind. You want to know
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  Speaker 3: why he was missing center cup fastballs. He was just late.
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  Speaker 3: You look at some of the stuff on stat cast,
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  Speaker 3: you can see pretty clearly he's standing deeper in the box,
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  Speaker 3: like closer toward the umpire. I would I didn't break
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  Speaker 3: it down by game to see if he was doing
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  Speaker 3: that earlier in the season. And my guess is that's
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  Speaker 3: probably an adjustment to being late, and so in a
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  Speaker 3: way that adds up, but in a way like, okay,
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  Speaker 3: how do you fix that?
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  Speaker 4: Right?
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  Speaker 3: We hear hitters talk about timing, timing, timing. That's probably
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  Speaker 3: the most important thing as a hitter. It's probably also
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  Speaker 3: the most difficult thing to fix. I don't know that
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  Speaker 3: there was one snap of the finger that that solved
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  Speaker 3: things for Riley Green. But he did look a little
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  Speaker 3: bit more like himself. And you're right, it wasn't some
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  Speaker 3: breakout to homer game. It was suddenly he looked like
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  Speaker 3: a hitter again. He was productive again, three singles, one
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  Speaker 3: of them was an infield hit, but he did some
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  Speaker 3: things with runners on base, you could tell he was
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  Speaker 3: a little bit relieved, jokingly asking for the ball after
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  Speaker 3: his hit. Chris Putter's reaction was priceless. You know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I guess maybe Gues string together more than one game
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  Speaker 3: to officially consider this slump dead. But I think this
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  Speaker 3: is certainly a step in the right direction. It's got
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  Speaker 3: to feel good for him and to just be like,
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  Speaker 3: oh wait, no, I can do this. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 3: pretty good at baseball again.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And like I like the fact that if you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have some sort of slumpbuster, it happens on a
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  Speaker 1: nationally televised game. It happens when you're across the diamond
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  Speaker 1: from a Bobby Wood junior who I always talk about
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  Speaker 1: them being linked and and I know what you're talking
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  Speaker 1: about too, about like trying to like psychoanalyze and micro
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  Speaker 1: analyze like the swing, because I I here's how deep
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  Speaker 1: I got Cody, and I did not reach any conclusions,
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  Speaker 1: but I was like, is he choking up more?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Like I don't know, but I just I was like,
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  Speaker 1: is it the same? Is it like a like a
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  Speaker 1: half it? Like I started like examining that to the
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  Speaker 1: fullest extent that I had access.
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  Speaker 3: To stack cast doesn't measure that one yet, that's probably
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  Speaker 3: the next the next wave.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we just gave them a new one.
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  Speaker 1: You have to you know, we got royalties on that
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  Speaker 1: stack cast if you start implementing that. But but I
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  Speaker 1: was just like, like, there's gotta be something because one
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  Speaker 1: of the things that Dan kept saying on the radio
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  Speaker 1: was it's not like he was expanding the strike zone
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot. And that's like, because really our history
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  Speaker 1: of doing this podcast and seeing slumps extend out and
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  Speaker 1: the ones that come to mind are you know, obviously
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  Speaker 1: Javier and and Spencer. It really is characterized by poor
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  Speaker 1: management of the strike zone. I think, like I think,
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  Speaker 1: I think with with anytime Tork swung at one low
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  Speaker 1: and outside, I was like that bat's over.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of torqu issues. Was just timing too, What
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  Speaker 3: were we Why is he missing a Singer cup fastball?
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  Speaker 3: You look at the swing, there's no glaring flow. He
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  Speaker 3: just wasn't on time. And then yeah about.
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  Speaker 1: Uh And then you know the Javier part of that
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  Speaker 1: speaks for itself a conversations, but with Riley Green, but
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  Speaker 1: his swing is like so simple, like if if you
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  Speaker 1: if you want to characterize it. Characterize it that way.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, Torks was too. That was part
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  Speaker 1: of the you know, the the conundrum is that you
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  Speaker 1: were just like, well, what is there really to change
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  Speaker 1: except you know, kind of getting the process start a
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  Speaker 1: little bit better faster. And you know, I read his
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  Speaker 1: postgame comments, but I'm sure he gave some sort of like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: I just had to stick with it and you know,
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  Speaker 1: and the result I knew the results would come or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So like, good on Riley for for tackling this in stride.
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  Speaker 1: And the reason I kind of bring up that element
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  Speaker 1: of it, Cody is because I think I give credit
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  Speaker 1: to Evan Woodberry here. He said that Riley started in
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  Speaker 1: the like he was fifth or later in the lineup,
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  Speaker 1: and like back to back games for the first time
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  Speaker 1: since he was literally a new major leaguer, like the
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  Speaker 1: first couple of games of his career. He's a young guy,
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  Speaker 1: but it wasn't like that was, you know, last year
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  Speaker 1: or anything. So it's been some time. And and one
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  Speaker 1: of the things I've always given A. J. Hitch credit
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  Speaker 1: for is that he's not just putting guys in a
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  Speaker 1: lineup and they're struggling, but it's not really anything we
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  Speaker 1: can do.
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  Speaker 2: We still gotta put Riley two or three.
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  Speaker 1: Like he's like like he always he always makes the
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  Speaker 1: adjustments based on what's going on. So uh I, I
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  Speaker 1: just want to make know that AJ is no fool
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  Speaker 1: in case anybody wanted to have that take out there.
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  Speaker 1: So so yeah, good on Riley Green. We'll talk about
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  Speaker 1: Reese Olsen here in a second. After a word from
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  Speaker 3: Oh hey, seriously, I'm so glad you pointed that out.
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  Speaker 3: It was ingrained in my mind. I hear on our podcast.
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  Speaker 1: It's made a lasting impression, all right. So Reese Olsen
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  Speaker 1: was somebody that I think we kept kind of waiting
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  Speaker 1: for Cody is a good way to put it, and
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  Speaker 1: waiting for him to put together a game, really a
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  Speaker 1: game like today, a game that he obviously was not
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  Speaker 1: ten out of ten, A game that he had to
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  Speaker 1: like that he looked at times, and then he got
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  Speaker 1: himself into some sticky situations and was able to.
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  Speaker 2: Get out of him.
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  Speaker 1: But you look at it and the tools that are
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  Speaker 1: gonna make Reese Olsen successful this year and you know
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  Speaker 1: the rest of his career, Like you're just looking for
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  Speaker 1: like glimpses of that on a random April weekday, start right,
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's what we got to. Like I thought,
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  Speaker 1: I thought his command was a lot better. I know, again,
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  Speaker 1: there's some sticky situations there. I thought his varied use
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  Speaker 1: of the change up was nasty.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I mean, I wanted to see little
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  Speaker 1: things at a race that like kind of validated what
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  Speaker 1: I think his ceiling is.
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  Speaker 2: And we saw that today.
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  Speaker 3: I thought, Yeah, a big step forward, a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more of the results than we're used to seeing. Things
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  Speaker 3: just hadn't quite clicked for him in his first what
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  Speaker 3: three outings of the year. The command really was the
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  Speaker 3: big thing. This is a guy who chriss crosses the
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  Speaker 3: plate kind of paints that X if you if you
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  Speaker 3: look at his charts after games, and he hadn't really
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  Speaker 3: been doing that. He had been missing armside and you know,
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  Speaker 3: not necessarily allowing his change up to be as potent
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  Speaker 3: of a pitch. The feel for the slider wasn't there.
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  Speaker 3: It was just all these little things that were a
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  Speaker 3: little bit off. I was never overly worried about it.
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  Speaker 3: It is one of those things, let's be real, Especially
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  Speaker 3: when a guy like cater Montero, who we'll talk about later,
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  Speaker 3: comes up and like at least looks quite interesting. It's like,
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  Speaker 3: all right, Reese, you do have to click eventually here,
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  Speaker 3: And that mostly happened for him. I still don't think
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  Speaker 3: that the fastball or even sinker command was quite as
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  Speaker 3: good as it can be for a guy who does
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  Speaker 3: have to be more command to worry in it. But
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  Speaker 3: it was much better, and I think that allowed him
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  Speaker 3: to use the changeup more, use the change up differently.
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  Speaker 3: He induced eight whiffs with that pitch, had a thirty
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  Speaker 3: nine percent called strike wiff rate, which is elite. You're
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  Speaker 3: trying to be above thirty.
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  Speaker 2: There.
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  Speaker 3: He was well above thirty. A really nice outing for
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  Speaker 3: rees Olsen, and yeah, a reminder that this guy's your
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  Speaker 3: number three starter in theory and you can feel pretty
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  Speaker 3: good about him in that role.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of guy is Reese.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if we really well, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if we really kind of like I've talked about that
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  Speaker 1: all that often because like I'll just give you my
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  Speaker 1: impressions from just you know, clips in the in the
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  Speaker 1: clubhouse and then see him on the mound. He he
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  Speaker 1: didn't seem to be that like overt a dude.
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  Speaker 4: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: And and he's obviously got like the baby face thing
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  Speaker 1: going on, but like you know some of those I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if it was drive line, but you know
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  Speaker 1: those kind of pitching lab videos that get like you know,
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  Speaker 1: released in the off season, like like he's got this
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  Speaker 1: like force about him when he's just kind of like
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  Speaker 1: doing his thing. Uh, they not necessarily see from like
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  Speaker 1: a TV broadcast or whatever. And then you've kind of
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  Speaker 1: just opposed that with the fact that he was traded
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  Speaker 1: for you know, one of the more interesting personalities that
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  Speaker 1: baseball scene recently, and Daniel Norris. But yeah, like riese Olsen,
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  Speaker 1: like you know, like he's I think we got a
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  Speaker 1: good idea of schoobl I think we have a good
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  Speaker 1: ideal Flairty. I think we have a we have a
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  Speaker 1: good idea of Mize and Joe to a couple of
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  Speaker 1: varying degrees there. But like Lson, you know what, what's
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  Speaker 1: this guy?
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  Speaker 5: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What's what's up with Reese?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? I think a lot of your impressions are pretty
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  Speaker 3: spot on. I think back to his story I wrote
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  Speaker 3: last year kind of called him the tigers Silent Assassin, said,
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  Speaker 3: you know he's a reserved guy. Now he is. He's
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  Speaker 3: pretty quiet you talked to. Reese can be pretty quiet
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  Speaker 3: even behind closed doors. Everyone pokes fun at his the
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  Speaker 3: rosy cheeks and he looks like he's twelve. Like he
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  Speaker 3: he gets that from the teammates a lot. I think
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  Speaker 3: there was some somebody last year like told him he
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  Speaker 3: looked like a librarian, and so he has to wear
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  Speaker 3: that from his teammates. I think he's known for for
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  Speaker 3: having those quick one liner comebacks though, soe Reese can
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  Speaker 3: be pretty sharp. Don't don't take that for granted. Once.
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  Speaker 3: One story that stoock out to me from that article
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  Speaker 3: I wrote was like he's a beast in the weight room,
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  Speaker 3: like he had to stop lifting so heavy. You know,
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  Speaker 3: he's a smaller guy, but uh, he is strong, he
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  Speaker 3: is smart, he's deceptively funny, but definitely one of the
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  Speaker 3: more reserved personalities in the clubhouse for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, real GE's move his silence like lasagna?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: Is that resultsan.
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  Speaker 3: The results in story? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, make that the headline for your next feature.
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  Speaker 1: A little long, but I think I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: without calm benches down, I think you might be able
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  Speaker 1: to make that work. Uh all right, well, let's let's
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  Speaker 1: go right to Montero then Cody, because that was pretty
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  Speaker 1: much our whole conversation last time we talked, because it
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  Speaker 1: was just a couple hours after after he got the
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  Speaker 1: got the call up and trying to pull up his
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  Speaker 1: his his log right now, but he was, uh but
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  Speaker 1: what you just described him as interesting? Yeah, that'd be uh,
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  Speaker 1: that's that'd be a way to put it like that
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  Speaker 1: was that was uh, that was some peaks and some
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  Speaker 1: valleys there on on what day was that Wednesday?
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  Speaker 2: Uh?
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  Speaker 1: You know they all run together because he had like,
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  Speaker 1: what eight Strikeouts'm pulling it up right now, he had
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  Speaker 1: like eight strikeouts, but he like still gave up the
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  Speaker 1: hard contact that produced runs. So I have already five innings,
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  Speaker 1: eight hits, five runs, and yeah eight eight strikeouts to
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  Speaker 1: go with only one walk. Like if if you just
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  Speaker 1: like have like some limited views of that box score,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, all right, well, you know me talking about
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  Speaker 1: one outing before he goes back down to delil, Like,
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  Speaker 1: what are we talking about here? And then you watch
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  Speaker 1: the game obviously, and there's more to it. But but
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  Speaker 1: it seems like, as we predicted, they're going to give
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  Speaker 1: him another shot in some way before the dust settles.
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  Speaker 1: I guess you could say for this this long home stand,
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  Speaker 1: but everything you could have won it out of Montero,
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  Speaker 1: you got, like in all ends of the spectrum. If
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  Speaker 1: you're just looking for looking for information on this.
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  Speaker 3: Cat, Yeah, reminder why he's really talented. Also reminder why
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  Speaker 3: he started in triple A. He has some things to
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  Speaker 3: smooth out, but he induced I think fifteen whiffs hitters
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  Speaker 3: were not a fan of his slider. I went and
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: looked at the pitch modeling stuff. I was actually surprised.
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  Speaker 3: Stuff plus was only ninety nine, so actually just barely
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  Speaker 3: below major league gavage. The stuff plus on the slider
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  Speaker 3: is one of six that's good but not really elite.
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  Speaker 3: That's the seventh best slider on the Tigers right now.
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  Speaker 3: And then he got dinged on the home run ball.
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  Speaker 3: But his location plus is still one o two, so
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  Speaker 3: he's above league average in that front. That's how well
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  Speaker 3: he was locating. When he didn't give up the home runs.
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  Speaker 3: It was it was kind of an outing that was
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  Speaker 3: all over the place a little bit, but hitters looked
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  Speaker 3: uncomfortable against him. Man I mentioned cult strike wiff Ray earlier. Well,
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  Speaker 3: his was thirty five as a whole. That was really good.
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  Speaker 3: I think there's more in the tank with this guy.
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  Speaker 3: I think he can locate a little better. I think
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  Speaker 3: the fastball can be a little bit more of a factor.
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  Speaker 3: Even his curveball can be pretty good at times. The
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: metrics on that pitch were really nasty. The Tigers are
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: going to leave him up for now. Aj Hinch said
• 16:45
  Speaker 3: they played again another outing. He didn't necessarily commit to
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: that being a start, I believe, but I feel like
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: that's probably gonna be a start, right It seems to
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: be what makes sense. And yeah, we got kind of
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: our One of the questions answered, what's up.
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: I said, full experience. We got the full experience, The
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: full experience.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, and Jason Foley is not gonna be coming up
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: for him because Jason Foley, as I kind of foreshadowed,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: he's her shoulder shoulder strain. I believe he might be
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: going down to Lakeland. It doesn't seem like the vibes
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: around that are great.
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it probably won't be seven days, uh say to
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: say there and hopefully hopefully something that's that's serious. But
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: maybe it's one of those things that might explain some
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: of the stuff that we had seen we I mean
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: pictures and fielders. We've seen arm injuries kind of weird
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: for the Tigers this year just in general. All Right,
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  Speaker 2: All right? Coming back here, I yeah, I was.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: I was thinking like, look, Cody, if we're gonna be
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: doing these podcasts on Tuesday nights at Thursday Night's, and
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Buried Lateness was like, we gotta have be able to
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: have some fun and you know, and just like kind
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: of throw ideas out there and they don't have to
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: be fully formed yet, but just kind of like just
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: like hash it out, just like a couple of guys
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: at the at the local watering hole hashing out some ideas,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: you know. So or or thoughts or notions or anything.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: So it's pretty open ended. Uh, this is a half
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: baked idea type segment. We'll come up, we'll workshop and
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: name for it, because that's somewhat trademarked by Bill Simmons
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: and Kevin Wild. So I I was thinking as I
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: watched this game, Cody, I was like, you know, if
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: you're gonna play, like if you have to have Torque
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: in the lineup, which as of now you do. Torque
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: HadAM you know, broke the game up in today obviously,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna have Torque in the lineup and you're
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: gonna play Cold Keith at first base, I just don't
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: know it right, Like, I just don't know if like
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: it's sustain to have Colt Keith start a game at
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: first base and then he ends up being pulled for
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: two at batsworth of game time for Andy and Bonyez
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: to play first base. You see what I'm saying, Like, like,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: I understand, like he can do it. I understand that,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Like I just feel like that's not the best option.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: I feel like there's there are ways to go about that. Differently.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I understand, like Colt is a first baseman. Quote unquote
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: for this season, so he has to get the reps there.
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: But like, there are some plays today that I would
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: probably have liked to have a full time first baseman
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: there when Andy a Bonyez And it's not like you
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: did anything wrong, but I would I was I would
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: have been more comfortable with an actual full time first
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: baseman in the field there. And again that's two at batsworth.
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: It's not just like you know, here comes the lefty
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: and we'll make it work for Bonyez in the field
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and configuration, this configuration that I just feel like that's
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: not the best model for this team long term. And
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: I say long term, I mean the rest of the season.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I understand why it's happening right now, and we'll talk
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: about all those factors. I just don't think that's.
• 21:12
  Speaker 3: What's your what's your solution. You're just saying they shouldn't
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: have pinchhit for Colt, or you're saying Colt shouldn't play
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: first base or Andy shouldn't pinchhit, Like what's the I'm
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: good with any of.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Those scenarios as a way to explore because, as we'll
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: talk about later, it's not like Andy is a killer
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: right now against left handed pitching. I would probably rather
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: I would rather have torqu at first base, or like
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: or or you gotta you gotta expand somebody's horizons on
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: this roster to not have such a logjam on the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: right side of the field as of right now. I'm
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: not automatically giving Andy a Banya's at bats, but I'm
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: saying two at bats in this game that was, you know,
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: still within striking distance majority of it. I'm just saying
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: Colt's gotta be better in that. I guess it is
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: my larger point. It's got to be better than being
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: pulled for two at bat's worth for Andy Abayas to
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: play first base. I think that's a probably a good
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: way to summariz while.
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: I'm getting the okay, yeah, I mean, for the most
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: part of last season, Colt wasn't getting pulled against left
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: handed pitching very often, and now he is. Now that
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: was a spot where I believe he had a runner
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: scoring position. You kind of wanted to add one to
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: that lead while you had a chance. But if Colt
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: Keith hits, it probably solves a lot. I think this
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: is overall another instance where when today's game kind of
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: clashes with the long term view, because I'm sure Scott
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Harris is telling Aj Hinch, like, you know, we still
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: got to get Colt in the field a little bit,
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: and I'm sure Aj is well aware of that too.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I don't even know if you would push back on it. Colts,
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: in theory an important member of your young core. You
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: can't just have him DH, but the presence of Glabor
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Torres you can't. Haven't played second very often. And then
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: Spencer Torklesen, who has returned to form or maybe even
• 23:06
  Speaker 3: exceeded his past form, really throws a wrench in everything
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: that Tigers had planned this offseason. Maybe it's time for
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: Cold Keith to try out that outfield glove that they
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: gave to Spencer Torklesin and it hasn't been used yet,
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: Like like, I don't know, because you're right, like the
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: best lineup on the field right now is Torque at
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: first base. It's probably Glabor at second, although I'm not
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: a big Glabor Torres defense guy. So maybe there's a
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: solution in there, which is to continue getting Cold more
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: time at second Dan first. But if we think long term, okay,
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: you really want Colt to be the second basement next year,
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: But if Torq's hitting again. Torks your first basement next year.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: So this all creates a little bit of a conundrum
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: for Colt Keith. Maybe that reinforces the facts second base
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: will be best for him next year. I think there
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: are still so many variables though, that you're gonna have
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: to get this guy some reps. At first. You're gonna
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: have to get him reps. A second, you have to
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: keep him engaged in the field. You have to keep
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: developing him as a fielder. Remember how much better he
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: got at second base last year. He was bad at
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: at points, and then by like the last two months
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: of the season, he was playing a pretty solid second base.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know that there's any like grand solution here.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: It's it's a bug in your roster construction right now.
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: It's an unintended consequence of Spencer Torklesen playing so well.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: Cole Keith can hit, you feel a lot better about it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: Andy a Banyez can hit, You feel a lot better
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: about any in game moves see in what one twenty
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: something against lefties right now, and obviously this is a
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: problem with him that dates back to July. At some
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: point you wonder will he be replaced as the primary
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: lefty killer off the bench by maybe a Jayhen who
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: also isn't tearing it up against left right now, but
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: could certainly be contending for that type of role. These
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: are also questions that are quietly unfolding beneath the service
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: right now here, And so I'm glad we're at least
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: talking about it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, And again, I'm not trying to present a solution here.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: It's just like it's just something that's on my mind.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: And like, the Jay hand point is a great point,
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: and we'll talk about some of those numbers here in
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: a second, But the Jay hand point is a great
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: point in the sense that, like, if you have Jahn
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: at first base to replace a cult Keith, you don't
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: feel like you're underutilizing Jay Hen's defensive talent, right if
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: you if you put and I know he had a
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: kind of a rough week at third basis this week,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: But if you put Andy abanye Is at first base,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: do you think you're properly utilizing his defensive talent their
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: defensive ability.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: No, No, But that's a function of the optionality, Like
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that's why Andy has the ability to play first.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Like I on like I would just I would love
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: to see Jahn maybe get a spot there.
• 26:07
  Speaker 3: To be honest, well, if we're talking about stuff that
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: doesn't actually matter, I think Gay j should have hit
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Jayhen for McKinstry earlier in that game. I think there
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: was a runner on first and second. He let Carry
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: hit a lefty, didn't go well, and then he let
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: McKinstry hit a lefty. Bannati on the broadcast was saying, well,
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: it's probably because you know you're going to get another righty,
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: you have a little bit of a lead. It's like,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know, they had four runs. I would have
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: tried to cash in for a run there. So what
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: you could have done is insert Jayhen for McKinstry. A
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: banie As goes to third, Jay Hank goes to first.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: Carrie and McKinstry did end up getting a late game
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: at bat against a right hander. Carrie struck out, Zmac
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: rolled into a double play. So ultimately nothing that matters,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: but it was a little It was one of those
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: things that was a question in the back of my mind,
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: and I wonder how much the defense and may be
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: lack of faith in j In at first might have
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: played into any decision that was made there.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: We did all this talk about first base all spring
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and then and and here we are mid April, and
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it's like, you know, if Andy Vanya is getting a
• 27:11
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  Speaker 1: to do do what they are intended to do, which
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  Speaker 1: is why, like why they in some cases, why they
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  Speaker 1: have roles on this team to begin with.
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  Speaker 2: So you mentioned Andy E. Banya. This is just baan average.
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  Speaker 2: I know it's not everything, but I just wanted to
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  Speaker 2: put a number out there.
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  Speaker 1: Andy and Banya is one thirty six against lefties so
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: far this year. This is entering today for the record.
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  Speaker 1: Jahn to fourteen. Ryan Kreidler. I know he's not a
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  Speaker 1: lefty killer, but he's part of your part of your rotation.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: When the lefties on the mound. Zero's seventy seven against
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  Speaker 1: lefties this year. The one shining light Javier Hobby Baias
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  Speaker 1: hitting three sixty eight against left handed pitching this season. Cody, So,
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  Speaker 1: those guys together, the lefty contingent, the lefty They're not killers,
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, tough task.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: I understand Ringan's is really good. I'm a little excited
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: for Jackson Job the old Reagan's two guys with some
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: killer stuff on the mound. We knew hitting left handed
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: pitching was going to be a weakness for the Tigers
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: this year is a weakness for them. Last year, we
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: knew they need another right handed bat. They didn't really
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: get one. But Spencer Torkelsen has emerged to help that.
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: I guess they did. Acchoir Manuel mark Gough, who has
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: not been able to factor in because he's hurt. Matt
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: Vierling's been hurt. But you're right, the guys. You were
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: counting on Andy to hit lefties, you're counting on jay
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: Hin to hit lefties. I mean, that's why, that's why
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: these guys are on this team. And it just hasn't.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: He gives a little spark against them better than right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: There's some wishful thinking that maybe Kreyler can contribute in
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: that realm as well. Uh, yeah, just hasn't happened. It's
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: it's it was definitely a foreseeable issue. And look, there's
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: still plenty of time for an Andy or a jay
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: In or even a Kreiler maybe to get to get
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: going a little bit. I think you're gonna feel better
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: when I don't know. I mean, Matt Vierling wasn't a
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: lefty slayer. I think he actually had somewhat verse split,
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. Parker Meadows won't help you against
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: lefties much unfortunately. So you know what, you're right. You
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: know who's been hit lefties? Well, Trey Sweeney. Life makes
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: no sense, That's all I got.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, and I'm pretty sure Carry Carpenter's got
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: a higher average than some of these cats against against
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: lefty So who knows.
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Who knows?
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: It's so early, But it's a lot of fun. It's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of fun to kind of dig into these
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: little things. And and I like, Cody that you brought
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: it up on Tuesday and you brought it up now
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: about the slight contradiction regarding like the win today's game
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: stuff that AJ has, you know, the schedule has kind
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: of forced him to do. So this is obviously no criticism,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: but it's like, oh, like, okay, well you're not. Actually
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: there are some things that you're doing that is not.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: To the reality of the manager's job, like you actually
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: have to manage yes, three, four, five out.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: Sometimes that is part of the process.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: So in the case of Cole Keith, manage a couple
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: of years out, you know.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, juggling varied interest. So you think you want to
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: be an MLB manager? All right, Cody, anything else before.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: We jet out of here.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: No, that's all that's all I got for now.
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