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Mild-mannered eye doctor stabs girlfriend 30 times in 'self-defense' as cops now eye 'accidental' death of first wife · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: A meek, mild mannered eye. Doctor Anthony Prate of Schaumburg, Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: calls nine one one to report his gorgeous young girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: is dead on the floor from thirty stab wounds. He
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  Speaker 1: says she attacked him and points to a few wounds
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  Speaker 1: on his arms and hands. But that's not the end
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  Speaker 1: of the story. That's just the beginning of the story.
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  Speaker 1: Years ago, his wife, Bridget, who looks amazingly like Margaret,
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  Speaker 1: same age, same hairstyle, the works. She's dead after a
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  Speaker 1: car crash where he is driving, but according to pathologists,
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  Speaker 1: she was dead before the crash ever occurred. I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 1: This is crime stories. I want justice. Crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Tell me exactly what happened. My girlfriend and
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  Speaker 1: I had a fight. She stabbed me with a knife
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  Speaker 1: and we I stabbed her back and I think she's
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  Speaker 1: greatly wounded. Okay, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna get
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  Speaker 1: our police and paramedics on the way. Is she's still
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  Speaker 1: inside right now? Yes, yes, we're both inside. Okay, hang on,
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  Speaker 1: just a second place, Do you still have a knife
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  Speaker 1: in your hand? Sir us it's on the floor, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: breathing I don't know what I should do. Okay, sir,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to just stay on the phone with me.
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  Speaker 1: I'm letting my officers know where is the knife that
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  Speaker 1: she had. It's on the floor. Okay. Do you feel okay?
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel safe enough to go back inside to
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  Speaker 1: check on her at this point? Yeah, I guess he did.
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  Speaker 1: Because she's dead, Margaret Daniel, his girlfriend is dead. He
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  Speaker 1: doesn't have to worry that she's gonna jump out from
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  Speaker 1: behind an easy chair and stab him in the back.
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  Speaker 1: We see you got the long end and the short
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  Speaker 1: end of the stick, and that knife fight and knife
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  Speaker 1: fight with one knife. I might add imancy Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Now
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  Speaker 1: listen to this. This renowned eye doctor and I watched
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  Speaker 1: his commercial all night long, trying to reconcile how one meek,
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  Speaker 1: mild mannered eye doctor could have had not one, but
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  Speaker 1: two dead lovers in his wake. Yes, not just the girlfriend,
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  Speaker 1: Margaret Daniel. But with me today now I'm private investigator.
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  Speaker 1: Then twenty five years with the Illinois State Police, Bruce
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  Speaker 1: Johnson sounded the alarm that something was very wrong with
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  Speaker 1: Bridget Prate. His wife's car crash she died in a
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  Speaker 1: car crash. Wow, none of this is adding up from
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  Speaker 1: me again, I Nancy Grace, this describe stories. Thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. I just want you to hear
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  Speaker 1: this guy speaking. Listen to doctor Anthony Prate with the
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  Speaker 1: Eyeworld commercial. He just sounds like he's reading straight out
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  Speaker 1: of a textbook. Like he's sitting there in a pull
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  Speaker 1: over sweater with a bow tie by the fireplace. He's
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  Speaker 1: got two dead women on his hands. Listen. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think what makes us unique at the Eyeworks is
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  Speaker 1: that we don't over schedule patients as many many healthcare
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  Speaker 1: practitioners do. Quality eyecare requires the time to provide it
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  Speaker 1: and reschedule patients so that we're able to see people
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  Speaker 1: for a point of time, and that's pretty unique. We
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  Speaker 1: don't keep people waiting. We understand that people have busy
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  Speaker 1: schedules and we honor their appointment. We have wide variety
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  Speaker 1: of vision testing apparatus, including auto refraction, which gives us.
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  Speaker 1: You are hearing doctor pratte go on and on and on.
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  Speaker 1: He slings out a lot of medical terms about eye care.
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  Speaker 1: You know what, That's all fine and good, but what
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  Speaker 1: about the two dead bodies? With me an all star panel,
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  Speaker 1: private investigator, former Illinois state police officer who investigated the
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  Speaker 1: death of his wife Bridget for her family many years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, renowned defense attorney, former prosecutor Inner City, Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Debbie Joffee Ellis psychologist, adjunct professor, Columbia University. Doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's Deputy medical Examiner, Travis County, Austin. But straight
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  Speaker 1: out to crime online dot Com investigative reporter, leave I Page.
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  Speaker 1: You know, under the law, more than one body is
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  Speaker 1: mass murder. I don't care how many years are between them.
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  Speaker 1: This would be more of a serial killer in modern
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  Speaker 1: day vernacular if in fact he is guilty. But Levi,
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  Speaker 1: let's just start with the most recent death. Her name
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  Speaker 1: is Malchers Margaret Daniel, just forty eight years old, super cute.
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  Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of her right now with
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  Speaker 1: a diamond necklace and a flower behind one ear. Forty
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  Speaker 1: eight Margaret Daniel dead. Why tell me what happened? Levi Page.
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  Speaker 1: So it's one thirty am in Doctor Anthony Preke calls
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  Speaker 1: from the townhouse. But what stop right there? Stop right
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  Speaker 1: there to Bruce Johnson. Sorry, sorry, LEVI, You didn't get
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  Speaker 1: much out, did you. Bruce twenty five years Illinois State Police.
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  Speaker 1: I've always told Jerry's I just start off the opening statement,
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  Speaker 1: nothing good happens after midnight. What are people doing up
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  Speaker 1: feuding and fighting at one thirty in the morning. You
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  Speaker 1: know how as the minutes ticked by, fights arguments get
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  Speaker 1: worse and worse, and somebody's crying, and somebody's yelled, laying
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  Speaker 1: and somebody's throwing a glass. The next thing you know,
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  Speaker 1: you hear a siren one thirty in the morning. Bruce,
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  Speaker 1: usually alcohol involved. Well, true words could not be spoken.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I always would start Look every year, are
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  Speaker 1: in the insight. You know, nothing good happens after midnight.
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  Speaker 1: And it's true. Okay, LEVI page you go ahead, one
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  Speaker 1: thirty am, pick it up. And he called nine one
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  Speaker 1: and he told the dispatcher and you heard that flat affect.
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  Speaker 1: He said, she stabbed me with a knife and I
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  Speaker 1: stabbed her back. And police arrived at the scene and
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  Speaker 1: they discovered forty eight year old Margaret Daniel, a nurse,
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  Speaker 1: a mother of two adult daughters. She was deceased, and
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  Speaker 1: she had approximately thirty stab wounds covering her body. Oh wait, wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: wait wait, I mean at Darryl Cohen, renowned defense attorney
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  Speaker 1: all across the country, but Hail's from inner City Atlanta.
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  Speaker 1: Daryl Cohen, how and the hey, can he say this
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  Speaker 1: was self defense? That the woman attacked the man first,
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  Speaker 1: she's got thirty stab wounds? Daryl, No, no, no, And
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  Speaker 1: I don't want you to hear I don't want you
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  Speaker 1: to tell me. Well, it's gonna be tough. Tell me
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  Speaker 1: how you can possibly defend that. Well, you start with
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  Speaker 1: the fact he's an eye doctor and he probably did
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  Speaker 1: not have twenty twenty vision, so he was able to
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  Speaker 1: go ahead and stab. Actually, Nancy, there is very little defense,
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  Speaker 1: but there's explanation. The explanation is when you get stabbed.
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  Speaker 1: And I'd like to see how deep all of these
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  Speaker 1: stab wounds were, or some of them were. Were they superficial?
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  Speaker 1: If he is telling the truth, and likely he is not.
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  Speaker 1: But if he is, then how many times did he
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  Speaker 1: have to stab her to stop her from stabbing him?
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  Speaker 1: Would be his story, not a good one, but one
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  Speaker 1: that certainly would have to fly in his defense. Well, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I agree with you on that, because he is
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  Speaker 1: faced with irrefutable evidence that she has thirty at least
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  Speaker 1: thirty stab wounds, and to Deputy Medical Examiner Austin doctor
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  Speaker 1: Kennel Crown's, the reality is she may have more because
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  Speaker 1: when a body is stabbed that many times, you can't
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  Speaker 1: really tell how many stab wounds are because they they overlap. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: that's true. Sometimes the stab wounds can overlap and get
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  Speaker 1: commingoled and then you get criss crossing paths, so you
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  Speaker 1: can't have actually more than what they think they see.
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  Speaker 1: And then they get tucked into creases as well, so
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  Speaker 1: it can be even harder to find them. Guys, you
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  Speaker 1: know you just heard Levi Page, who is not only
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  Speaker 1: a crime online dot com investigative reporter, but a real
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  Speaker 1: crime efficionado. I guess is the best word I could
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  Speaker 1: use now, Levi Page, I don't believe you've got an
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  Speaker 1: MD or a PhD behind her name yet, do you know, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. Well, you just made a very good observation
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  Speaker 1: that he had a very flat affect. I can't wait
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  Speaker 1: to hear what Bruce Johnson says about that, and especially
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  Speaker 1: doctor Debbie Joffey ellis out of Columbia. Let's take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to more of that flat affect. Levi page a
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  Speaker 1: civilian like myself identified. Okay, is there anybody else inside
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  Speaker 1: the house? Is it just you and her? And that's
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  Speaker 1: is that correct? Yes? Okay, let me know when you're
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  Speaker 1: back inside. We do have help on the way as
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  Speaker 1: we're talking. Okay, okay, okay, I'm back inside. Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: want you to tell me if she's awake. She's not, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: stay on the phone with the here looked good. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know what I should do for her. Okay, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna walk. We're gonna walk through this and try to
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  Speaker 1: help her until the police and paramedics get there. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: just stay on the phone with me here. How old
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  Speaker 1: is she? Sir? At eight? Okay, hang on just a
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  Speaker 1: second here, but I time stories with Nancy Grace. Stay
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  Speaker 1: on the phone with you. Don't know what I should
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  Speaker 1: do for Okay, we're gonna walk. We're gonna walk through
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  Speaker 1: this and try to help her until the police and
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  Speaker 1: paramedics get there. Okay, just stay on the phone with
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  Speaker 1: me here. How old is she? Sir? Eight? Okay, hang
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  Speaker 1: on just a second. Should I do CPS? Is that
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  Speaker 1: what he just said? I think he meant CPR, but
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  Speaker 1: he said CPS has certainly a Friday and slip of
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  Speaker 1: the tongue chop protective services. Okay, you know to doctor
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  Speaker 1: Debbie Joffey Ellis, Psychologist, Professor, Columbia University, Doctor Debbie Joffe Ellis,
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  Speaker 1: I got a problem with his affact. He sounds like
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  Speaker 1: he was reading the ingredients on the back of a
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  Speaker 1: box of cake max. I mean, he had no affect whatsoever.
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  Speaker 1: He started all upset in those moments. I agree with you.
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  Speaker 1: It sounds like he's not. But the act was in
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  Speaker 1: all probability committed when he was in a very different
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  Speaker 1: emotional state. My hypothesis would be that he was enraged
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  Speaker 1: and when the act was over, when he felt some
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  Speaker 1: relief or satisfaction or whatever. Again, I can only hypothesize.
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  Speaker 1: Then it's not unusual that his aspect is different. Now.
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  Speaker 1: It could be calculated because he wants to sound remorseful, caring, shocked, innocent, traumatized,
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  Speaker 1: or it may be again that he feels some relief.
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  Speaker 1: He's proven that he has the control, his rage has
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  Speaker 1: been expressed, and he is come. Take a listen to
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  Speaker 1: him on the nine on one car for those of
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  Speaker 1: you just joining us. A suburban Optometrius Stout his girlfriend
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  Speaker 1: at least thirty times. We find out that night they
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  Speaker 1: had a dinner and their quiet suburban cul de sac
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  Speaker 1: had people over, the subject of death came up, and
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  Speaker 1: doctor Pratt seemingly got upset. He left the table. He
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  Speaker 1: came back, but appeared agitated. Then not long after that
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  Speaker 1: death wasn't just a dinner topic. It was a reality.
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  Speaker 1: His girlfriend was stabbed dead. Listen to this. Okay, so
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna walk through this. Hang on, Just a woman
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  Speaker 1: here with me. How old did you say she is? Again?
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  Speaker 1: Forty eight? Okay? Is she breathing? I do not think so. Okay, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: is she breathing? Okay, okay, okay. I want you to
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  Speaker 1: stay on the phone here in in my arms, but
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  Speaker 1: I can okay, sir, I want you, okay, sir, listen
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  Speaker 1: to me. We have the police and paramedics, like I've
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  Speaker 1: said on the way to help you. I want you
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  Speaker 1: to stay on the phone with me. Hang on just
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  Speaker 1: a moment here. We're going to start CPR, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: letting my police in, paramedics snow. Just stay on the
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  Speaker 1: phone here with me, okay, okay. If there is a
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  Speaker 1: dishibilator available, I want you to get it now and
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  Speaker 1: tell me when you have it. Okay, maybe I'm missing something,
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  Speaker 1: but de Bruce Johnson current private investigator who investigated the
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  Speaker 1: death of Prate's first wife, Bridget Prate for her family.
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  Speaker 1: He is owner of IESP Investigations. He's twenty five years
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  Speaker 1: under his belt with the Illinois State Police. Maybe I'm wrong,
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  Speaker 1: but I mean, isn't he a doctor? Yeah? Absolutely, he's
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  Speaker 1: a doctor. And you don't hear any panic in his voice.
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  Speaker 1: He's nice and calm like the other guests that said earlier.
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  Speaker 1: But a couple of things regarding the injuries that I'm
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  Speaker 1: really curious about, as you know that he have defensive booms,
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  Speaker 1: where are they? And well, they certainly weren't serious. He
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  Speaker 1: said they were on his hands and arms. And I
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  Speaker 1: also want to know about hers and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: crimes of passion like this, were a victim stabbed multiple times, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: I think you know this. Guess where the other injuries
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  Speaker 1: may be, and that may be the eyes. I'm curious
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  Speaker 1: to see if he's stabbed her in the eyes at all,
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  Speaker 1: because a lot of times when a loved one's killing
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  Speaker 1: another loved one, they stabbled many eyes because they don't
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  Speaker 1: want him looking at him during the act. Well, Bruce Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: you certainly conjured up a pleasant image for me to
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  Speaker 1: think about today, stabbing somebody in the eyes. My point is, Bruce,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I should call you sergeant or captain
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  Speaker 1: or something after twenty five years or the state placement.
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  Speaker 1: But Bruce, he's of the master sergeant. My goodness, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we need to put that on his bio. Jackie. That's
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  Speaker 1: something you work hard to obtain. The thing is when
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  Speaker 1: I say he's a doctor, yet he was asking nine
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  Speaker 1: one one how to perform CPR? Now, Doctor Debbie Joffey Ellis,
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  Speaker 1: Columbia University. I know that you just told me he
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  Speaker 1: must have been enraged during the stabbing. But he's sure
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  Speaker 1: cooled down quickly for that nine one one call. But
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  Speaker 1: what did he have temporary amnesia? Forget everything he learned
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  Speaker 1: in medical school? He's asking dispatch, you think I should
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  Speaker 1: you think I should perform CPR? Huh? What do I do?
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  Speaker 1: He's a doctor? Yeah, well he had Again. I can
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  Speaker 1: only hypothesize, but one possibility, Nancy, is that he is
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  Speaker 1: somewhat in a day's state just because one commits a violent,
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  Speaker 1: enraged act doesn't mean it doesn't shake one up a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. So he may have been a little shocked,
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  Speaker 1: albeit sounding so calm. It's not unusual and it's no
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  Speaker 1: proof of innocence, nor is a proof of guilt. Well,
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  Speaker 1: doctor deb joff ellis it sounds to me that you
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  Speaker 1: were saying he was enraged during the stabbing, he quickly
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  Speaker 1: cooled down and then he went into shot and couldn't
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  Speaker 1: remember how to perform CPR, even though he's a doctor
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  Speaker 1: and a medical doctor, and on top of that, I
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  Speaker 1: want to just go through quickly with doctor Kendall Crown's
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  Speaker 1: Deputy Medical Examiner Austin. Doctor Crowns, you know what's happened
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  Speaker 1: In the autopsy. It was revealed that Margaret was stabbed
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  Speaker 1: three times in her chest, seven times in her back.
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  Speaker 1: She also had two deep cuts in her stomach and
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  Speaker 1: defensive wounds on her hands and arms, Doctor Crowns, what
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  Speaker 1: does that tell you? Well, the defensive wounds means she
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  Speaker 1: was trying to stop being stabbed, trying to grab at
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  Speaker 1: the knife or whatever. That Usually when people are being
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  Speaker 1: stabbed and they don't have a knife themselves, they use
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  Speaker 1: their hands even though they're going to get cut because
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  Speaker 1: that's all. You have the wounds in the front and
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  Speaker 1: the back and the depth of them. I mean he
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  Speaker 1: probably at some point she was down and was just
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  Speaker 1: continuing to stab her, which is what we call over killing.
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  Speaker 1: It usually shows again going along with everybody else, rage
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  Speaker 1: or kind of a crime of passion. Doctor Kendall Crowns.
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  Speaker 1: I guess it's because you perform thousands and thousands and
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  Speaker 1: literally thousands of autopsies. But I just don't know how
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  Speaker 1: you and doctor Debbie can stay so calm when this
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  Speaker 1: woman in the prime of her life is on the
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  Speaker 1: kitchen floor now with a knife in her hand. That's convenient,
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  Speaker 1: the knife has been put back in her hand. You
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  Speaker 1: think I should do CPR maybe as my girlfriend lies
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  Speaker 1: bleeding out on the floor. You know another issue that
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing right now, Daryl Cohen. Of course we have
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  Speaker 1: doctor Kendall Crowns with us to explain it. But you
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  Speaker 1: tell any jury on God's green Earth that she stabbed
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  Speaker 1: seven times in the back, and that screams to me.
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  Speaker 1: You can tell a kindergarten student that and they can
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  Speaker 1: figure out that is not self defense when you shoot
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  Speaker 1: somebody in the back or render a murderous blow to
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  Speaker 1: the back of the head or stab them in the back.
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  Speaker 1: They are retreating their backs turned to you. That is
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  Speaker 1: no longer self defense. Man, you are the pursuer. You
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  Speaker 1: are the aggressor, not the victim. Not necessarily a play
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  Speaker 1: depending on how close the proximity was. If she and
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  Speaker 1: he were closely engaged and he's stabbing her in the
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  Speaker 1: back rather than being able to stab her from the front,
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  Speaker 1: it could have been self defense. Unlikely. And by the way,
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  Speaker 1: I want to know what type of knife it was.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a long knife, was it a hunting knife,
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  Speaker 1: was an a pocket knife? That to me makes a
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  Speaker 1: large difference as well. But yeah, if those stab wounds
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  Speaker 1: show that she was retreating, I agree with you. But
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  Speaker 1: on the other hand, they were in close proximity, I
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  Speaker 1: completely disagree. Brace Johnson twenty five years Illinois State Police,
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  Speaker 1: now private investigator, owner of IESP Investigations. Please talk some sense.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you can help poor Darryl Cohen. That sounds like
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  Speaker 1: he's starting to believe his clients. I cannot agree with
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  Speaker 1: that at all. Well, obviously it's showing that he's dominating,
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  Speaker 1: So even after in close proximity, even if he's in
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  Speaker 1: a hugging position and dabbing her an effect. He don't
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  Speaker 1: want to dominate any position, and he's in control of
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  Speaker 1: prime stories with Nancy Grace. Prosecutors and police now say
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  Speaker 1: in a joint statement, we are closely monitoring the ongoing
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  Speaker 1: investigation related to mister Prate in Cook County and will
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  Speaker 1: continue to evaluate incoming information for any bearing it may
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  Speaker 1: have on the tragic death of Bridget Prate. In twenty eleven,
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  Speaker 1: Connie Tondo says, Prate is a big part of the
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  Speaker 1: neighborhood and most neighbors always assumed it was an accident.
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  Speaker 1: My kids have been over there, his kids have been here.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I would never imagine anything like that. Well,
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  Speaker 1: the first autopsy on Bridget Prate was considered inconclusive. State
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  Speaker 1: police we're investigating the cases recently as twenty sixteen. It's
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  Speaker 1: unclear if anything new will have developed as a result
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  Speaker 1: of these murder charges in Schaumberg. You're hearing our friends
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  Speaker 1: at ABC seven Eyewitness News. That was John Garcia speaking
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  Speaker 1: to neighbors of the Prates. Wait just a minute, So
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  Speaker 1: several years ago, his wife, Bridget about the same age
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  Speaker 1: as Margaret, a little bit younger, is killed in a
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  Speaker 1: car crash, But a pathologist who performs the autopsy on
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  Speaker 1: wife Bridget says her injuries were not consistent with a
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  Speaker 1: major collision and said, point blank and I quote, Bridget
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  Speaker 1: was dead prior to the time of the accident. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the mild mannered eye doctor Anthony Prate told investigator's wife
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  Speaker 1: Bridget unbuckled her seatbelt to look for her person water
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  Speaker 1: bottle just before he what a coinkie dink lost control
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  Speaker 1: of the vehicle, crossed the line of traffic and hit
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  Speaker 1: hit an oncoming car and smashed into a tree. What
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  Speaker 1: he drives across the yellow line, lost control of the car.
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  Speaker 1: She at that moment happened to have unbuckled her seatbelt
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  Speaker 1: to find her Purson water bottle. He clips an oncoming
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  Speaker 1: car and smashes into a tree. The autopsy found fractured
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  Speaker 1: vertebrate and Prate's neck, which should not have killed her.
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  Speaker 1: She only suffered minor wounds on her body, like scratches
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  Speaker 1: and bruises. I mean, help me out, Bruce. The pathologist
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  Speaker 1: said she was dead before the crash and what happened
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  Speaker 1: to that investigation? Agree with that, well, that accident happened
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  Speaker 1: in two eleven and I was retired in twenty thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: and the family, after getting multiple dead ends and not
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  Speaker 1: having any follow up with their case, brought it to
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  Speaker 1: me and I looked at it and exactly what you
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  Speaker 1: were just saying here, it's a low impact crash if
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  Speaker 1: you look, and you just look at the position of
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  Speaker 1: her body in the car accident, and given his own words,
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  Speaker 1: he's driving, she's leaning over the back seat to get
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  Speaker 1: her purse, and the witness of the car coming at
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  Speaker 1: him said he didn't veer into the lane. It was
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  Speaker 1: a quick, all of a sudden jolt into the lane,
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  Speaker 1: barely clips the car and then goes down and hits
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  Speaker 1: the tree. So question to everybody here, where should the
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  Speaker 1: body of the victim be in that accident. She's leaning over,
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  Speaker 1: she's coming back toward the front, he says, He gives
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  Speaker 1: her room to get back to the front seat. We
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  Speaker 1: all know she's going to hit the dashboard and she's
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  Speaker 1: gonna go forward and then she's going to come back
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  Speaker 1: into the seat. Well, she's found crumpled on the floorboard
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  Speaker 1: of the car. It cannot happen from this accident. And
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  Speaker 1: not only was you know she not any help immediately,
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  Speaker 1: but he supposedly got out of the car and started
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  Speaker 1: to render CPR, where now he knew how to do CPR,
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  Speaker 1: but there was a nurse on seen almost immediately that
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  Speaker 1: ran to the car, and you know, their statements are
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  Speaker 1: kind of a because their adrenaline is flowing in things
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  Speaker 1: of that nature. But she's strapped underneath the dashboard and
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  Speaker 1: laying on the floorboard. Now, if you're an uprighted position
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  Speaker 1: and basically hanging over the front seat, there's no way
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  Speaker 1: and that type of low and pat crash that you're
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  Speaker 1: going to end up in that final resting position. And
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  Speaker 1: you're telling me at that time, Bruce Johnson, owner ESP Investigations,
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  Speaker 1: who investigated in depth the death of wife Bridget Prey,
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  Speaker 1: you're telling me that people rushed up to the scene,
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  Speaker 1: including a nurse, and they saw him performing CPR. From
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  Speaker 1: the reports that we were looking at, yes, that he
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  Speaker 1: stated that he was doing CPR, and I believe one
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  Speaker 1: of the witness stated that upon their approach that he
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  Speaker 1: was attempting CPR. But then he told the NAIMO an
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  Speaker 1: operator when his girlfriend, his mistress, died of stab wounds,
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  Speaker 1: he didn't know how to do CPR, lying in full blood,
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  Speaker 1: lying in a pool of blood. That's that is certainly accurate.
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  Speaker 1: Tell me something, Bruce Johnson, Why why was the case
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  Speaker 1: just dropped? Bruce? Because you've got a pathologist saying she
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  Speaker 1: was dead before the crash. I mean, the airbags didn't
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  Speaker 1: even deploy. That's how much I thought in my mind
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  Speaker 1: it was a single car accident. I thought he just
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  Speaker 1: plowed into a tree. But now I know he clipped
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  Speaker 1: a car, then went into a tree. Then he jumps
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  Speaker 1: out completely unscathed, and she's dead. What happened to the investigation,
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  Speaker 1: that's the mystery. We have a pathologist that says that
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  Speaker 1: it's more than likely that she was dead prior to
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  Speaker 1: the accident, and then they went and got a second
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  Speaker 1: autopsy from doctor Larry Bloom and I guess his findings
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  Speaker 1: were not that well. I guess his findings were that
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  Speaker 1: she possibly could have been a life at the time
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  Speaker 1: of the accident. So when they got there, what was
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  Speaker 1: his cause of death? What was his ruling on cause
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  Speaker 1: of death? Everything that I read it, it's inconclusive. He
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  Speaker 1: has not given that. And in a low impecht accident.
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  Speaker 1: So we got one doctor, we got one doctor saying inconclusive.
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  Speaker 1: We got another doctor saying she was dead before the
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  Speaker 1: crash leavi page climb online dot Com investigative reporter, what
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  Speaker 1: can you tell me about Bridget Prates death? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the airbag didn't even deploy. He gets out completely unharmed.
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  Speaker 1: She's dead and I can't get a cause of death
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  Speaker 1: on it. She just died and seemingly nobody bothered to
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  Speaker 1: figure out how she died. And it reminds me of
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  Speaker 1: an arson case I had with a millionaire who his
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  Speaker 1: house caught on fire, really ritzy part of town. The
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  Speaker 1: fire department blasted up in there. He is across the street,
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  Speaker 1: lounging all of romanesque and the neighbor's front yard, and
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  Speaker 1: they talked to him for several minutes before he says, oh, yes,
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  Speaker 1: oh yes, my wife's in there. She was covered in bruces.
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  Speaker 1: I might add she died a few days later. Smoke
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  Speaker 1: inhalation never came to I'm always suspicious when the man
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  Speaker 1: makes it out completely unharmed and the wife is dead.
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  Speaker 1: If you want justice, Jackie, you and Dave Mack call
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  Speaker 1: today because I want answers. I want to know what happened.
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  Speaker 1: You can call the Lake in the Hills Police Department
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  Speaker 1: at eight four seven eight five four five zero two
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  Speaker 1: zero repeat eight four seven eight five four five zero
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  Speaker 1: two zero. Don't worry, I'm calling because this is total
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  Speaker 1: BS too. Doctor Kendall crowns Now. I know you're an MD,
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  Speaker 1: but that's a technical legal argument, total BS. How can
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  Speaker 1: two doctors look at a body, one says inconclusive, one
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  Speaker 1: says she was dead at the time of the crash,
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  Speaker 1: but I still don't know how she died, Kendall. So
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  Speaker 1: you know, they always say that medicines and arts, so
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  Speaker 1: two people can look at the same thing and come
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  Speaker 1: up with completely different opinions. That actually happens a lot
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  Speaker 1: in my profession. Another problem we have is sometimes people
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  Speaker 1: are paid quite well to have an opinions, so you
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  Speaker 1: also have to look at that as well. Yeah, go ahead,
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  Speaker 1: jump in. Because the first pathologist says, because he could
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  Speaker 1: not find hemorrhaging near the vertebrae fracture, he suspected that
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  Speaker 1: the wound occurred post mortem. So that's the fact of
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  Speaker 1: itself right there that the other one cannot just do.
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  Speaker 1: The other thing is it says a fracture, It doesn't
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  Speaker 1: say that it was the neck vertebrae was snapped in half,
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  Speaker 1: or that there was an underlying injury that could have
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  Speaker 1: caused death. So that's giving you very good quote of
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  Speaker 1: it being post mortem because they have scientific proof that
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  Speaker 1: there's no hemorrhaging near the vertebrate. Okay, doctor Kendall Crowns,
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  Speaker 1: I believe you've been called on the carpet by a civilian.
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  Speaker 1: By a civilian, he didn't even auto medical school. Aren't
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  Speaker 1: you embarrassed? I'm embarrassed for you, Kendall. Oh no, not actually,
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  Speaker 1: because your question was how can two people have varying opinions,
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  Speaker 1: which is what I answered. But yes, you did, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: you did. Yes, if we're going to go to the
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  Speaker 1: court transcripts. You got me on the technicality. But what
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  Speaker 1: about what Bruce did say regarding no hemorrhaging around that fracture?
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  Speaker 1: So I would agree with Bruce completely. No hemorrhaging around
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  Speaker 1: a fracture to me, means that individual was dead before
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  Speaker 1: the accident occurred, because if your heart's no longer pumping,
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  Speaker 1: you don't get hemorrhage when you get a fracture. So
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  Speaker 1: to me, that individual was dead for that accident happened. Also,
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  Speaker 1: the discussion about how her body was positioned in this
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  Speaker 1: low speed semi head on collision. She shouldn't have been
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  Speaker 1: underneath the dashboard. It's an odd position. It doesn't make
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  Speaker 1: any sense. If anything, she should have faced planted into
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  Speaker 1: the dash and then flip back into her chair, or
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  Speaker 1: possibly face planted into the dash and then rolled through
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  Speaker 1: the front windshield. But she submarine nancy. Yeah. One other
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  Speaker 1: thing regarding that, which also helps our case for the victim.
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  Speaker 1: Let's say that she was alive and she uh, she
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  Speaker 1: dies of at sixty a type death right from from
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  Speaker 1: being crushed. That still puts her on the floorboard. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: time to die from a sixty eight type death from
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  Speaker 1: a crushing uh, you know, pressure on your chest or
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  Speaker 1: on your abdomen and being him and having being failure
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  Speaker 1: to breathe. In those situations, usually they can't pull them
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  Speaker 1: out of the car. That's where the jaws of life
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  Speaker 1: come in. So also there's specific findings in a six
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  Speaker 1: year old crushing desk, especially with cars, which I've seen
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  Speaker 1: quite a few of. As you get massive particular hemorrhages,
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  Speaker 1: which are these small pinpoint hemorrhages on the skin from
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  Speaker 1: the blood actually being congested by the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: chest is compressed by something or the neck is compressed
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  Speaker 1: by something and it causes all the little capillaries to
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  Speaker 1: burst and it forms these pinpoint hemorrhages. So there's no
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  Speaker 1: description of that. So you can remove the crushing injuries.
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  Speaker 1: There's no image on this line or fracture, right, and
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  Speaker 1: so you can remove all of that stuff. And again
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  Speaker 1: it just seems to me like she was dead beforehand.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't understand how there's a varying opinion. But
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  Speaker 1: like I said, you know, sometimes people are paid quite
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  Speaker 1: well to have a varying opinion. Well, I got to
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  Speaker 1: agree with that. Let me jump in here this. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I got to tell you you're talking about something that
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  Speaker 1: was basically cleared. I think that it was not cleared.
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  Speaker 1: Now it was not clear. It wasn't clear, but it
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  Speaker 1: wasn't probably hold on, hold on, I've got to tell
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  Speaker 1: you something. Hold on. Just recently, just recently and for
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  Speaker 1: your request, freedom information request was made. People wanted to
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  Speaker 1: look at the records the PD. Lake in the Hills
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  Speaker 1: PD refuses to give out information. They did not a
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  Speaker 1: request for the records related to the crash, claiming it's
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  Speaker 1: an active criminal investigation. Active investigation. My rear end nine
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  Speaker 1: years have passed, Daryl. That's why I say that they
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  Speaker 1: will use this, But the reality is he's going to
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: go down for thirty stabbings and one former girlfriend. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I think you should go down for both. Crime stories
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  Speaker 1: with Nancy grace le Page Crime Online dot Com Investigether reporter,
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  Speaker 1: I can't wait to hear what doctor Debbie says about
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  Speaker 1: this Levi page. Isn't it true? Just before his wife
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  Speaker 1: died in the collision, he had called police and said
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  Speaker 1: she was planning to kill him because she was having
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  Speaker 1: an affair. You are absolutely correct, Nancy. He claimed that
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  Speaker 1: he was listening to a conversation she was having with
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  Speaker 1: another man and they were planning to kill him and
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  Speaker 1: take the house from him, so he called nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: Police arrived at the scene and they interviewed the wife
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  Speaker 1: that died and the man that she was talking to,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, no, we were not plotting to kill him.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I'm studying for a real estate exam and we were
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  Speaker 1: discussing procedures on what happens when a homeowner dies. So
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  Speaker 1: there were no charges filed, but it shows you that
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  Speaker 1: there's something wrong there in the marriage. If he's calling
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  Speaker 1: nine one one about her allegedly having an affair Briece Johnson, PI,
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  Speaker 1: what about it was Bridget having an affair? No, she
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  Speaker 1: was not, but he was, you know, very tight with her.
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  Speaker 1: He had a really tight rain on her. He was
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  Speaker 1: always concerned of who she was calling. He had left
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  Speaker 1: the house and then he hid in the closet so
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  Speaker 1: he could hear their conversations. Wait wait, wait, wait, wait
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  Speaker 1: wait wait, you know what, Daryl Cohen, I'm about to
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  Speaker 1: go to our shrink, doctor Debbie. But if I had
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  Speaker 1: to hide in the closet and listen to my husband
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  Speaker 1: on the phone, first of all, my ears would bleed
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  Speaker 1: because his conversations about business are so no offense David,
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  Speaker 1: because you know I love you, so boring. But if
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  Speaker 1: I had to hide in the closet to listen in
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  Speaker 1: to what David was saying on the phone, that's when
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: you needed to force right there. Or you are a
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  Speaker 1: nut hiding in the closet trying to listen in. That
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  Speaker 1: tells me his frame of mind. He's a nut, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Debbie wants in. Yeah. Well, it sounds that he
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  Speaker 1: had an intense ney to have absolute control over relationships
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and perhaps other situations in his life and when he
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: perceived that he didn't have full control or that something
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  Speaker 1: was going to happen that was against what he thought
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  Speaker 1: should be the case. Then he catapulted into rage and
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  Speaker 1: that could have fueled his violent action. I know this.
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  Speaker 1: The ongoing investigation in Cook County has caused this matter
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  Speaker 1: to be reevaluated, and what we are learning is that
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: apparently the District Attorney's office is looking at the so
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  Speaker 1: called crash again. But it's been nine years. Will there
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  Speaker 1: be any justice for a bridget prate? And if authorities
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  Speaker 1: had listened to Bruce Johnson at the time, would Margaret Daniel,
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  Speaker 1: the mother of two, still be alive today instead of
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  Speaker 1: being found in a pool of blood in the kitchen
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  Speaker 1: floor of her apartment, dead at the hands of her
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  Speaker 1: eye doctor boyfriend Anthony Prate. If you want justice, as
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  Speaker 1: do I ask for answers eight four seven eight five
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  Speaker 1: four five zero two zero eight four seven eight five
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  Speaker 1: four fifty twenty. We wait as justice unfolds, and I
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  Speaker 1: pray to God it does. Nancy Grace's crime story, signing
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  Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,