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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: tonight on Credline. Pressure mounts on labor with their four
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Speaker 2: hundred million dollars secret and row deportation deal set presented inquiry. Now,
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Speaker 2: no one wants these freed foreign criminals, non citizens out
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Speaker 2: on our streets. But why the secrecy from the Prime minister? Actually,
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Speaker 2: how many people will be deported for all that money?
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Speaker 2: More matters today too from Chris Bowen about meeting our
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Speaker 2: emissions targets. He says renewable projects are in the pipeline
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Speaker 2: pipe dream. I reckon that's more accurate. I'll explain why.
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Speaker 2: At a moment last the government announces the permanent migration
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Speaker 2: intake is on hold at one hundred and eighty five thousand,
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Speaker 2: But that number isn't what it seems, and it won't
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Speaker 2: do much to ease legitimate community concern, speaking of which
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Speaker 2: I said last night that nature abhors a vacuum and
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Speaker 2: we're seeing that play out as radical fringe elements hijack
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Speaker 2: the debate.
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Speaker 3: And you said to Alan, why don't you think of
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Speaker 3: It's on me.
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Speaker 2: I'll get to that in the moment, but thirsty ahead
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Speaker 2: of the imminent release of the Albanezy government's latest round
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Speaker 2: of climate targets, perhaps as early as this Thursday. Let's
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Speaker 2: not forget where we are now. After years and years
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Speaker 2: of so called cheap renewables being forced into the power grid.
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Speaker 2: We've got record high prices that are only going up
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Speaker 2: and up and up, and we've got heavy industries like
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Speaker 2: stealing aluminium demanding subsidies in order to survive. Yet, despite
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Speaker 2: this reality, Chris Bowen says that what he calls ambitious
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Speaker 2: climate targets are and I quote, the key determining factor
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Speaker 2: to whether we're prosperous as an economy or not. Now
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Speaker 2: what planet does the energy minister live on? We know
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Speaker 2: that when Bowen releases Australia's new emissions reduction targets for
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Speaker 2: twenty thirty five, they will be higher than earlier predicted,
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Speaker 2: and high means more demanding to you and your way
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Speaker 2: of life. What you drive, what you eat, what you
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Speaker 2: earn as a wage, not just how you power your home.
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Speaker 2: And that's despite the reality that we have no hope
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Speaker 2: of meeting Bowen's current targets for twenty thirty No hope
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Speaker 2: of meeting the existing forty three percent emissions reduction target,
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Speaker 2: and every attempt we're making is doing ourselves massive economic
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Speaker 2: damage in the attempt. But back to that simpleton and
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Speaker 2: statement from Bowen, the tough climate targets, ambitious climate targets
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Speaker 2: are the key determining factor to whether we're prosperous as
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Speaker 2: an economy or not. Why is getting emissions down the
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Speaker 2: key to our prosperity when it's not the key to
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Speaker 2: the prosperity of others like China, in Near Russia and
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Speaker 2: more recently the United States, given that none of them
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Speaker 2: are committed to net zero by twenty fifty or indeed
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Speaker 2: to any emissions reduction that gets in the way of
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Speaker 2: economic growth. Right now, we've got our emissions down by
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Speaker 2: twenty eight percent and we'll more than it will have
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Speaker 2: to more than double the current rate of reduction if
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Speaker 2: we're to even meet Labour's existing target, let a known
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Speaker 2: any more ambitious one. That's the emissions reduction target. But
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Speaker 2: there's also another target due by twenty thirty and that's
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Speaker 2: about how much renewable power we have in the Australian
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Speaker 2: energy grid. Now. Currently we've got renewable power up to
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Speaker 2: about forty percent of the grid, but that will also
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Speaker 2: have to double in just five years time if we're
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Speaker 2: to meet Labour's current legislative target, which is to have
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Speaker 2: eighty two percent of our electricity from renewables by twenty thirty.
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Speaker 2: As Chris Yeulman reminded us here last night, to get there, well,
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Speaker 2: the changes will be massive.
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Speaker 1: The other thing is there's a huge environmental argument that
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Speaker 1: over by twenty sixty we are going to need a
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Speaker 1: land mass one point six times the size of Tasmania
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Speaker 1: to build all this stuff and then connected by transmission lines.
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Speaker 4: It doesn't add up on either front.
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Speaker 2: It means our best agricultural land, our national parks, our
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Speaker 2: beautiful coastline, all carpeted with wind towers and solar factories
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Speaker 2: and crisscrossed with those massive transmission towers needed to get
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Speaker 2: the power from regional areas into the cities to make
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Speaker 2: all those green left voters feel good while they bear
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Speaker 2: absolutely none of the day to day consequences of this
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Speaker 2: reckless rollout. Now, is it any wonder that farmers are
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Speaker 2: up in arms?
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Speaker 5: This is all about all Victorians, because every Victorian is
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Speaker 5: going to get hit worse than worse, every anonymous messages
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Speaker 5: being put on people's cars because they're saying, no, we
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Speaker 5: don't want transmission lines and mines and turbines around and
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Speaker 5: it's just not on.
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Speaker 6: There are a load of teas running out Planet Countrey
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Speaker 6: and toil and go.
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Speaker 2: Even many staunch conservationists are aghast at this notion of
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Speaker 2: destroying the planet, destroying the environment in order to save
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Speaker 2: the planet, including former Green's leader Bob Brown, whose campaign
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Speaker 2: against a massive new wind farm in an unspoilt part
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Speaker 2: of the Bast Strait. Then there's the fact that nothing
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Speaker 2: we do here in Australia is going to make any
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Speaker 2: substantial difference, given that the annual increase this is just
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Speaker 2: the increase in China's admissions exceeds Australia's entire emissions output.
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Speaker 2: Because while China is increasing its wind and solid that's accurate,
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Speaker 2: it's also increasing its cul fired power just as fast.
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Speaker 2: One hundred new coal five powerstations are set to open
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Speaker 2: in China this year alone, one hundred. So even closing
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Speaker 2: down our economy completely, if we're mad enough to do that,
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Speaker 2: would be just a futile green gesture. Meanwhile, the federal
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Speaker 2: opposition set aside up to twelve months to have a
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Speaker 2: review of all its climate and energy policies, while it's
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Speaker 2: part of the National Party is moving towards the repudiation
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Speaker 2: of net zero that Scott Morrison committed the Coalition too,
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Speaker 2: via that bill from Barnaby Joyce set to be debated
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Speaker 2: into Parliament. Now I can understand why many Coalition supporters
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Speaker 2: want to drop the ideological green totem that is net zero.
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Speaker 2: For an opposition, the key challenge is to oppose bad
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Speaker 2: policy and to create a contest with a bad government.
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Speaker 2: This means demanding the credible costings for the government's existing
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Speaker 2: emissions targets that it has never provided publicly, all the
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Speaker 2: information that we should have that Chris Bowen has never
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Speaker 2: provided to the Parliament or the Australian people that today
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Speaker 2: it's been shrouded in secrecy. It means opposing any new
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Speaker 2: targets given that even the existing ones are proving to
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Speaker 2: be utterly unattainable. So that means opposing the higher numbers
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Speaker 2: that Bowen will inevitably set in coming weeks the twenty
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Speaker 2: thirty five. It also means the Coalition needs to come
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Speaker 2: up with an energy policy now that will keep the
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Speaker 2: lights on and cost down without ever more taxpayer subsidies
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Speaker 2: which are only there to hide what Labour's doing to
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Speaker 2: your power bill. Now it's easy enough to see what
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Speaker 2: this common sense coalition policy could look like. No backing
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Speaker 2: any more of these fantasy targets from Bowen, No more
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Speaker 2: coal fire powerstations should be allowed to close, get more
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Speaker 2: gas out of the ground at expec express speed, No
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Speaker 2: more subsidies for renewables because if they're really cheap, they
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Speaker 2: don't need to be subsidized. And ending the nuclear band. Now,
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Speaker 2: this idea that the Coalition has the luxury of twelve
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Speaker 2: months or more to just sit on the fence and
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Speaker 2: work all that out, that's just crackers. It was the
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Speaker 2: inability to make a policy decision and stick with it,
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Speaker 2: then to get out there in the public domain and
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Speaker 2: argue for it. That was at the heart of Peter
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Speaker 2: Dutton's failures. The last thing the country needs is the
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Speaker 2: coalition repeating the mistakes of the last election. That'll require
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Speaker 2: an opposition with some courage and it will require leadership.
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Speaker 2: So we'll see. But I'll tell you this, if they
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Speaker 2: back in Bowen, believe me, they'll go backwards because history
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Speaker 2: tells us labor light liberals lose. Well, let's go straight
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Speaker 2: to Canberra now and joining me now, Senior clitical Report
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Speaker 2: Trudy Macintosh. Well, welcome to the program again, Trudy. We fine.
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Speaker 2: They got some migration numbers today from the government. This
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Speaker 2: is about the permanent migration number. This is not migration overall,
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Speaker 2: so let's not go the two numbers. Confused. They're leaving
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Speaker 2: that number for this financial year at one hundred and
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Speaker 2: eighty five thousand. What's been the reaction.
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Speaker 7: Well, pretty muted, I'd have to say. This came out
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Speaker 7: in a three line press release from the Home Affairs
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Speaker 7: Minister Tony Burke, confirming as you say, that permanent migration
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Speaker 7: number for this financial year will stay the same, so
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Speaker 7: there's no increase but also no cut either. The number
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Speaker 7: that matters more though, in reality, is what's called the
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Speaker 7: net overseas migration number. Have a look at how this
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Speaker 7: is playing out, and there's a big asterisk here as
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Speaker 7: to what happened in the last financial year. We still
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Speaker 7: don't have that number. You see, there was a big
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Speaker 7: jump post COVID as we saw lots of university students,
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Speaker 7: for example, returning to Australia. It's set a target of
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Speaker 7: two hundred and sixty thousand. Let's see what that final
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Speaker 7: outcome is. The government says it's trying to get that
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Speaker 7: to that target. Let's see if they land it.
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Speaker 2: Just leave that graphic if we can, up on the screen,
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Speaker 2: because that last one is the first six months of
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Speaker 2: this year, and that is already tracking. I think it's
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Speaker 2: two hundred and sixty thousand.
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Speaker 6: Year.
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Speaker 2: At two hundred and sixty thousand, it's already tracking at
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Speaker 2: a record, a record for a six month period, so
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Speaker 2: it's likely to be a record overall by the time
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Speaker 2: we get to December. And I made the point last night. True,
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Speaker 2: you can talk about the permanent number the government can
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Speaker 2: all day like, but anybody who's here for a given
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Speaker 2: time beyond a tourist, needs a home, needs a car,
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Speaker 2: needs a job, adds to all of our infrastructure woe.
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Speaker 2: So I think this is the number that's got people
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Speaker 2: marching in the streets. Less about those permanent numbers. Hey,
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Speaker 2: we talked about Sam Ray, the pretty green new cabinet
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Speaker 2: Minister for Labor, who was in the hot seat yesterday.
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Speaker 2: He was there again today. This is about the deaths
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Speaker 2: related to delays in home care packages. You've we'll get
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Speaker 2: to that in a moment. You've got some late news
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Speaker 2: out of the Senate on this.
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Speaker 7: What can you tell us, Well, we might see tomorrow Peter.
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Speaker 7: For the first time in this parliament. Despite the big
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Speaker 7: majority that Labour won, it's first loss on the floor
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Speaker 7: of Parliament. This potentially is going to happen in the
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Speaker 7: Senate when it comes to clearing that age care backlog.
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Speaker 7: There's a rare alliance between the Coalition and Greens plus
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Speaker 7: members of the Crossbench trying to essentially force the government's
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Speaker 7: hand and release some of these at home age care packages.
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Speaker 7: But a big note of caution here. A Liberal source
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Speaker 7: I was speaking to today saying, yes that the Greens
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Speaker 7: at the moment they're likely to vote with them, but
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Speaker 7: they could be bought off at the last minute with
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Speaker 7: a deal. I can't imagine the Government wants to lose
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Speaker 7: on an issue like this in the Senate. But watch
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Speaker 7: this space tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, these packages just come down to funding. I know
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Speaker 2: people that are trying to get to elderly parents into
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Speaker 2: age care and they've got places pending, but they're waiting
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Speaker 2: on funding for some of these services to be delivered
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Speaker 2: in the home. So this is a real problem. This
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Speaker 2: the real problem, hey, geopolitics, the quansit a bit of trouble.
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Speaker 7: It certainly is that there was no date locked in.
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Speaker 7: It's meant to be hosted this year by India, but
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Speaker 7: there's a pretty big rift going on at the moment
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Speaker 7: between Noarendromodi and Donald Trump. Yes, it's in part about
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Speaker 7: Tariff's but it's also according to these reports about this
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Speaker 7: phone called Donald Trump made in June where we essentially
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Speaker 7: not so subtly asked India to put his name forward
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Speaker 7: for the Nobel Peace Prize, and that seemed to cause
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Speaker 7: a lot of anger from the Indian side, so much
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Speaker 7: so that Narendromodi apparently hasn't returned Donald Trump's call four
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Speaker 7: times since then. All of this means, though the Quad,
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Speaker 7: which has become quite a prominent meeting for Australia in
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Speaker 7: terms of those Indo Pacific powers, are potentially not going
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Speaker 7: to go ahead later this year.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. In addition to the names we just mentioned, of course,
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Speaker 2: the Quad includes Japan, and the government made some announcements today.
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Speaker 2: This is on the back of their continuing pushed into
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Speaker 2: cyber security and particularly in relation to young people. But
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Speaker 2: this was today in relation to the use of AI
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Speaker 2: apps that create nude images. What are they proposing here.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, a change proposed here to the Online Safety Act Peter,
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Speaker 7: which would try and restrict these deep fake apps which
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Speaker 7: create In essence, the concern here is that images of
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Speaker 7: children or women are being then taken off the Internet
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Speaker 7: and a nude picture is being kind of compilated together.
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Speaker 7: There the question mark. Yes, a lot of people say
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Speaker 7: that's a bad thing. Let's try and change it. The
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Speaker 7: devil's in the detail here in the government today didn't
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Speaker 7: have all the answers in terms of how this is
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Speaker 7: actually going to happen, How do you prevent these sort
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Speaker 7: of apps just proliferating in other places, and any sort
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Speaker 7: of time frame the governments yet to put on that either.
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Speaker 2: All right, we'll leave that there, Thanks Trudy. Let's stay
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Speaker 2: in camera, though it's been a busy day. Joining me
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Speaker 2: in our Sky's political editor Andrew Cleannell. Well, Andrew, welcome.
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Speaker 2: You had the scoop out this morning from the Coalition
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Speaker 2: party room that the opposition will send that bill. This
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Speaker 2: is Labour's bill in relation to the deportation deal with
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Speaker 2: NARU off to a Senate inquiry as it should. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I spent a decade work in the Senate. Every bill
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Speaker 2: used to go to a committee inquiry generally makes for
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Speaker 2: better legislation. And I think there's a lot of secrecy
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Speaker 2: about this. You know, four hundred million dollars seventy million
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Speaker 2: a year. We don't know whether they get it. If
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Speaker 2: there's just one or two detainees sent there, we don't
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Speaker 2: know if there has to be all one hundred and
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Speaker 2: fifty or more.
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Speaker 8: What can you tell us, Well, they're talking about two
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Speaker 8: hundred going over there, that's what Murray what said on
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Speaker 8: Sunday Agenda. And there's three hundred and eighty odd in
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Speaker 8: the cohort released after that High Court decision. One's an
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Speaker 8: alleged murderer and one's an alleged home invader already, So
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Speaker 8: I think they'll be looking to take that volume gradually
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Speaker 8: over there. They're trying to introduce this legislation to stop
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Speaker 8: court appeals from having them removed to Naru. That's what
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Speaker 8: it's about. And I agree with you, Peter. I mean,
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Speaker 8: they never even announced that. It was announced in the Naru Parliament.
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Speaker 8: They tried to sweep it under the carp but really,
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Speaker 8: I mean they were open about it once it immerged
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Speaker 8: in Naaru. There was a statement on the Department of
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Speaker 8: Home Affairs website, but it's not like they called a
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Speaker 8: press conference for something which is really significant policy. And
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Speaker 8: Tony Burke, I mean, I've got to say, for Anthony Abenez,
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Speaker 8: he does know how to get rid of a problem
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Speaker 8: better than He's a lot better than his predecessor, the
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Speaker 8: more inexperienced Claire O'Neill.
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Speaker 4: And yeah, he.
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Speaker 8: Seems to be dealing with this one, but that's not
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Speaker 8: the point here. The point here is it's a lot
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Speaker 8: of taxpayer money. It's effectively what I put to what
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Speaker 8: I put to politicians on TV's and it's a bit
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Speaker 8: of a bride to take these crimps. And you know
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Speaker 8: what was the bartering involved in this to be originally
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Speaker 8: offered them one million, two hundred million. Is it contingent
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Speaker 8: on how many go over there, as you say, because
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Speaker 8: it seems pretty blanket at the moment, and it seems
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Speaker 8: like it will sort of double or something Nauru's GDP.
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Speaker 8: So it's an extraordinary arrangement. I think I could be
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Speaker 8: wrong about this. I might be corrected by one of
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Speaker 8: your viewers. But when I covered the Pacific Solution the
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Speaker 8: turn of the century, I think that was only worth
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Speaker 8: twenty million. I know we've had inflation, but I don't
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Speaker 8: think we've had that much, Peter. And the government can't
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Speaker 8: even tell us if these people are going to be
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Speaker 8: detained or if they're going to be free in the community.
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Speaker 8: So there's just all these questions. But the thing is
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Speaker 8: the coalition planning to do this tomorrow night only, and
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Speaker 8: if they don't get the answers they want, they'll drag
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Speaker 8: it out. But otherwise they might still pass the legislation
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Speaker 8: this week, Peter.
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Speaker 2: So from my past experience with the nuru used in
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Speaker 2: the Howard era, I'll also be checking the infrastructure cost
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Speaker 2: because it might be a seventy million dollar deal to
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Speaker 2: the ruins, which basically sits in their bottom line as
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Speaker 2: a cash payment. But are we committing Australia. Are we
16:41
Speaker 2: picking out the cost of the flights and we're providing
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Speaker 2: healthcare services on the ground. I mean, we've done all
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Speaker 2: of this before. Are we building the detainee facilities? If
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Speaker 2: they are to be detained, people going to be imprisoned,
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Speaker 2: can they ever be returned to Australia in any way. Like,
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Speaker 2: I think there's a whole lot of unanswered questions here.
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Speaker 2: I suspect there's more money than just seventy million a year.
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Speaker 2: You know, some of these people have got terrible sort
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Speaker 2: of wrap sheets. I don't think that their own people
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Speaker 2: who would be happy to have them there. But we're
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Speaker 2: not getting many asks from the government. And just on
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Speaker 2: that point, right, why do you think they almost tried
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Speaker 2: to bury it? Have they got internal squabbles on it?
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Speaker 8: I don't get that indication, but you'd expect there'd be
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Speaker 8: people in the labor left not happy with it, and
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Speaker 8: particularly labor voters. So I guess some of them, a
17:27
Speaker 8: lot of US trains would be quite happy with it.
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Speaker 8: But yeah, I mean, it's not something you shout from
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Speaker 8: the rooftops like a coalition government line.
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Speaker 2: Right, I've got to grab out a question time again.
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Speaker 2: I just spoke to truly about Sam Ray being in
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Speaker 2: the hot seat. Have a lesson. Was the Home Care
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Speaker 2: Package roll out delay a decision of the minister, a
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Speaker 2: decision of the Health Minister, or was it endorsed by
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Speaker 2: the cabinet.
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Speaker 9: His provider was told by the Department that the Department
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Speaker 9: couldn't even get an assessment until quote early next year. Minister.
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Speaker 9: This is despite Kevin being told he's on the urgent list.
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Speaker 9: Is it really the minister's position that Australians like Kevin
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Speaker 9: were the ones asking him to delay the delivery of
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Speaker 9: eighty three thousand home care packages?
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Speaker 10: How many older Australians have died waiting for a home
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Speaker 10: care package since thirteen May this year?
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Speaker 11: When will the Minister apologize to the families of the
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Speaker 11: vulnerable elderly people who have died waiting for you to
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Speaker 11: do your job?
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Speaker 2: All right, new strategy for the collision. Two days in
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Speaker 2: a row. Here they're landing any.
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Speaker 8: Blows, I think so. I think, Look, it's not Watergate,
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Speaker 8: you know, but it's it's putting a lot of pressure
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Speaker 8: on Sam Ray. He doesn't look that fantastic.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 8: The bloke nodding behind him. The only one nodding behind
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Speaker 8: him is Richard Marles, who backed him into the ministry
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Speaker 8: at the expense of people like Edie is too and
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Speaker 8: Jim Jarvis is looking down half the time. And I
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Speaker 8: think it's good to go for the newbiet. You know,
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Speaker 8: Alben Easy and charmers are going to bat your way
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Speaker 8: most of the time, and it's an issue that affects
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Speaker 8: a lot of people. But no, I don't think it's
19:08
Speaker 8: the great comeback of this seasonally opposition. But look at
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Speaker 8: least it's a more coordinated form of attack that seems
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Speaker 8: to have some effect. Newsworthy on day one, maybe not
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Speaker 8: newsworthy today, but worth pursuing tomorrow too because it takes
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Speaker 8: the wind out of the government sales. I think Mark Butler,
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Speaker 8: the Health and Age Care sort of senior minister, had
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Speaker 8: a crack at the end. They gave him the last
19:29
Speaker 8: Dixon to try and come back at some of the accusations,
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Speaker 8: but by then the damage you've been done to poor
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Speaker 8: old Sam Ray is learning that being a minister is
19:37
Speaker 8: not that easy, especially in a portfolio like age Care.
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Speaker 8: I was here for proble Bishop and the Kerosene bars Peter,
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Speaker 8: so it can kill you in their portfolio, kill you
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Speaker 8: at least politically.
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Speaker 2: Well in this case, sadly, there's been life's lost. So
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Speaker 2: I think that's why it's got such high stakes. How
19:53
Speaker 2: you've picked up something this afternoon. And it's interesting because
19:57
Speaker 2: these things the establishment in this case sort of Senate
20:00
Speaker 2: Select Committee that don't just happen by accident. As you know,
20:04
Speaker 2: Green's Senator Nick McKim, he's got this motion, you've kindly
20:08
Speaker 2: sent it through to me. Have a look. It's to
20:10
Speaker 2: set up a committee to look into capital gains tax discounts. Now,
20:15
Speaker 2: clearly as this got the sort of the not in
20:18
Speaker 2: the wing from the government, do.
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Speaker 8: You think I don't know? And sorry if I appeared
20:23
Speaker 8: rude to the viewers and you for looking at my phone.
20:25
Speaker 8: I'm trying to find out. I'm not really getting an answer.
20:29
Speaker 8: To be honest, it doesn't mean it has. There are
20:33
Speaker 8: opposition suspicions it has, and the reason for that is
20:36
Speaker 8: it's afterwards only a Senate inquiry. Jim Chalmers would want
20:40
Speaker 8: to tackle capital gains tax. But more to the point,
20:43
Speaker 8: if they want to get their super tax and a
20:45
Speaker 8: few other pieces of legislation through, they've got to give
20:47
Speaker 8: the Greens something and it's easier to give them a
20:50
Speaker 8: Senate inquiry than something in relation to policy. Right, So
20:56
Speaker 8: we could be seeing a deal up there. But what
20:58
Speaker 8: it will do if it gets up obviously reheat that
21:01
Speaker 8: capital gains tax debate, so that would be quite interesting.
21:04
Speaker 8: So I just thought i'd mentioned on the program as
21:06
Speaker 8: one to watch for next couple of days, Petter.
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Speaker 2: We will watch what happens. Yes, but I think this,
21:13
Speaker 2: as I said, ten years work in the set that
21:14
Speaker 2: this stuff doesn't happen by accident. Government's got its fingerprints
21:17
Speaker 2: allover Andrew, thank you. Last night we brought you that
21:21
Speaker 2: story out of the Indian Financial Times. Leaders Van Nonslin
21:25
Speaker 2: had the Economist had it on his website to say
21:28
Speaker 2: that the Indian governor, a minister associated with the government,
21:31
Speaker 2: had announced so one million homes would be built in
21:34
Speaker 2: Australia by Indians for Indians. Well, we're not getting much
21:37
Speaker 2: out of India on that. We asked the government here
21:40
Speaker 2: and they said they have not been briefed about it.
21:43
Speaker 2: Doesn't tell me that doesn't exist. So we'll keep going
21:46
Speaker 2: down to the burrow on that one. I also said
21:48
Speaker 2: last night, didn't know that nature abhors a vacuum or
21:52
Speaker 2: we've got a vacuum in this whole immigration debate and
21:54
Speaker 2: because of that vacuum, it's being populated by extremists. That
21:59
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean we stifle the debate burning the flag too?
22:02
Speaker 2: Should we ban burning the flag? The next guest says
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Speaker 2: we must do that, and he is bringing in a
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Speaker 2: new law to make it happen, plus the NT pepper
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Speaker 2: spray law it started today. Sales are strong. What are
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Speaker 2: the pros and cons here? Should this be everywhere in Australia?
22:22
Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Colm the staggery number of Brits
22:24
Speaker 2: who've already been arrested as part of the UK so
22:27
Speaker 2: called misinformation crackdown. But first let's got to those extraordinary
22:31
Speaker 2: scenes today by involving sorry self avowed neo Nanci Thomas
22:36
Speaker 2: Seul disrupting the premierges into Allen's press conference in Melbourne today.
22:40
Speaker 2: The incident took place while the Premium was answering questions
22:44
Speaker 2: about Saul's involvement in the weekend's anti immigration protests.
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Speaker 12: Why don't you think Australia should have the right to protest?
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Speaker 13: He nucket your hands on me?
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Speaker 2: He you said to Alan, why don't you think.
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Speaker 8: Of don'ts on me?
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Speaker 3: You don't have to watch on that Lafe distance.
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Speaker 12: You don't have to tell hands on me.
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Speaker 3: And you said, Alan, why don't Australians have the right
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Speaker 3: to protest?
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Speaker 6: Shouldn't we have the right to speak in our own country?
23:10
Speaker 5: You count.
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Speaker 2: All so later today and not related to this Saul
23:16
Speaker 2: was arrested. I have a leeds attack on an indigenous
23:19
Speaker 2: camp over the weekend. Let's bring in my panel how
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Speaker 2: to discuss this and more, the wonderful Nicole Flint, of course,
23:25
Speaker 2: former Liberal MP for South Australia, and Ellen p MP
23:29
Speaker 2: he's currently in the Parliament, Phil Thompson. Welcome to you both. Phil.
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Speaker 2: The government's policy void on this issue means is a
23:36
Speaker 2: real risk of extremists like Saul hijacking the debate. This
23:41
Speaker 2: is a point that former Labor Minister johl Fit's gibven
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Speaker 2: me this morning. Have a listen.
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Speaker 14: There were some lunatics there, of course on the weekend,
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Speaker 14: protesting on the far right, but there were some mainstream
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Speaker 14: people there as well. Governments need to ensure that those
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Speaker 14: who were born here or have been here a long
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Speaker 14: time don't feel economically threatened by our relatively large net
24:04
Speaker 14: migration program.
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Speaker 2: Now I'd add it wasn't just some mainstream Australians, they're
24:10
Speaker 2: the majority of the vast majority was mainstream Australians and
24:13
Speaker 2: this is a problem. Feel if we do not have
24:15
Speaker 2: a legitimate, overdue debate in this country about the size
24:19
Speaker 2: of our population and the composite character and the values
24:23
Speaker 2: that people sign up to when they come here. We
24:25
Speaker 2: just open the door to extremists like we can see
24:28
Speaker 2: overseas and like we saw today in Melbourne.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you're right, and Joel Fitzgibbon is right.
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Speaker 11: When you see a government vacate the field, which was
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Speaker 11: seen from this Labor government, you see people that will try.
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Speaker 4: And hijack the protesting, hijack the debate.
24:47
Speaker 11: These neo Nazis have no place in our country and
24:50
Speaker 11: they have tried their best to hijack the marches that
24:55
Speaker 11: occurred around the country. In Townsville there was lots of veterans,
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Speaker 11: mum and dad, business sown as people that just wanted
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Speaker 11: their voices to be heard because they're not hearing or
25:04
Speaker 11: seeing anything from this government. We don't want to see
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Speaker 11: that these extreme Nazi groups come out and try and
25:10
Speaker 11: take over these kind of events. It's not what this
25:14
Speaker 11: nation needs, it's not what we want, but we do
25:16
Speaker 11: want the Australian people to be hurt.
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Speaker 2: Nick today and I just touched on this at the
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Speaker 2: top of the show, the Governor announced the permanent Migration
25:25
Speaker 2: Intact will stay at one hundred and eighty five thousand
25:29
Speaker 2: for twenty five twenty six for the financial year, so
25:31
Speaker 2: that's no change from last year. But let's not be
25:34
Speaker 2: fooled here. There's a big, big difference between those we
25:38
Speaker 2: give a permanent place to come to Australia. That's that
25:41
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five thousand number and the overall
25:44
Speaker 2: intac we have each year. Now already it's predicted we're
25:47
Speaker 2: going to hit over five hundred thousand by December. And
25:51
Speaker 2: it's that number, that purple band. There is just half
25:54
Speaker 2: a year's worth of numbers, and already in half a
25:56
Speaker 2: year it's higher than the permanent number. But that's the
25:59
Speaker 2: number that's got people so uptight. That's why they're protesting
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Speaker 2: in the streets because they're not allowed a legitimate debate
26:05
Speaker 2: in this country. And I have to say it's both
26:06
Speaker 2: sides of politics who are shutting this down.
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Speaker 10: Well, Peter, we know that this is this record high
26:16
Speaker 10: migration intake that we've seen under the Labor governments through
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Speaker 10: their first and now their second term, is putting historic
26:23
Speaker 10: pressure on all of our infrastructure, whether that's housing, whether
26:27
Speaker 10: that's health, whether that's our public transport systems, our roads.
26:30
Speaker 10: So no wonder people are very upset about it. No
26:34
Speaker 10: wonder people are protesting. People are understandably concerned about the
26:38
Speaker 10: composition of our society and whether we will continue to
26:41
Speaker 10: be one of the most peaceful and respectful countries on earth.
26:46
Speaker 2: But we know why Labor are doing this.
26:48
Speaker 10: Not only is it so that people like Minister Tony
26:51
Speaker 10: Burke can welcome many, many new migrants into his electorate,
26:55
Speaker 10: for example, but so labor can prop up their budget.
26:58
Speaker 10: So more migrants means more money coming into Australia being
27:02
Speaker 10: spent into Australia. But the trade off, of course is
27:05
Speaker 10: quality of life for everybody who's here.
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Speaker 2: I'll get into that with an economist. Economists coming up,
27:12
Speaker 2: because it's a false number, like it's an immediate inflation
27:15
Speaker 2: in terms of demand, but the cost profile of these
27:18
Speaker 2: migrants over time hits the budget at the other end,
27:21
Speaker 2: particularly state in federal. But I leave that for a moment. Hey,
27:24
Speaker 2: it's a National flag day tomorrow. We only have one
27:27
Speaker 2: national flag. We have a raft of official flags, as
27:30
Speaker 2: you know, Phil, but one national flag. So tomorrow i'd
27:34
Speaker 2: love to see on every building in Parliament House and
27:36
Speaker 2: around Canberra just one Australian flag on the flag pole.
27:40
Speaker 2: But you reckon we shouldn't be allowed to burn. It
27:43
Speaker 2: should be illegal. You've got a pretty strong view, haven't you.
27:47
Speaker 4: I do.
27:48
Speaker 11: I moved a motion in Parliament to criminalize burning the
27:50
Speaker 11: Australian national flag. I think it's important for us as
27:54
Speaker 11: a nation to make it a criminal offense.
27:58
Speaker 4: We've seen protesters burn.
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Speaker 11: The flag with no repercussion or any kind of punishment.
28:05
Speaker 11: This is the flag that Australian soldiers wear on their shoulder.
28:08
Speaker 11: I've fought on the battlefield underneath its colors made some
28:11
Speaker 11: mind have been killed in war, died in training, or
28:14
Speaker 11: succumbed to their war within have had their coffins draped
28:17
Speaker 11: in the Australian flag.
28:18
Speaker 4: It's much more than a bit of cloth.
28:20
Speaker 11: It is the fabric that brings us all together as Australians.
28:24
Speaker 11: And I think it's about time that we honor the flag,
28:27
Speaker 11: we honor the people that have served underneath it and
28:29
Speaker 11: fought for our nation, and honor all Australians by making
28:32
Speaker 11: it in a criminal offense so these.
28:33
Speaker 4: Grubs and thugs on the streets can't light it on fire.
28:39
Speaker 2: Beautifully expressed field, that's beautifully said a foreign interference neck.
28:43
Speaker 2: The government wants to bring in rules also bring in
28:47
Speaker 2: additional regulations and laws to tighten the rules that already exist.
28:52
Speaker 2: They won't particularly go after universities, and there is some
28:55
Speaker 2: concerns that universities have relationships with other bodies overseas and
28:59
Speaker 2: might do research, let's say, and there are high risk areas.
29:03
Speaker 2: I suspect we're talking about defense research and cyber and
29:07
Speaker 2: other things. But I'll tell you, but for all the
29:09
Speaker 2: talk of the government, they don't list the Islamic Revolutionary Guard.
29:15
Speaker 2: That's not a listed terror group. Yet they still have
29:18
Speaker 2: not listed Hissberteria. They are a radical Islamus group. They
29:21
Speaker 2: are active in Australia. We know that. And they're pretty
29:24
Speaker 2: silent on Bobcarr and Daniel L. Andrews going over there
29:27
Speaker 2: attending this military parade in China. I mean, I have
29:30
Speaker 2: not forgotten Daniel L. Andrews in his position on China's
29:33
Speaker 2: Belton Road precisely, Peter.
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Speaker 10: And the fact that we have two former premiers, both
29:43
Speaker 10: of whom governed for significant periods of time, attending an
29:47
Speaker 10: event where there will also be Iran, Russia and North Korea,
29:52
Speaker 10: and obviously it's in China at this moment in international
29:56
Speaker 10: history is just extraordinary and the Prime Minister should be
30:00
Speaker 10: codemning it quite frankly. But we know that Prime Minist
30:03
Speaker 10: Anthony Aubernezi won't. They're his labor mates. And back to
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Speaker 10: university the action Labor is allegedly going to be taking
30:12
Speaker 10: now on foreign interference in universities.
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Speaker 2: Peter.
30:15
Speaker 10: When I started as a regular contributor to Sky in
30:19
Speaker 10: early twenty twenty three, one of the first columns I
30:21
Speaker 10: wrote was about the Joint Standing Committee on Security Intelligence
30:25
Speaker 10: I think it was, who had released a report, very
30:29
Speaker 10: thorough report that had bipartisan support from both Labor and
30:33
Speaker 10: Liberal MPs and senators, saying that urgent action needed to
30:39
Speaker 10: be taken on foreign interference in our universities.
30:41
Speaker 2: Now.
30:42
Speaker 10: Labor at the time in early twenty twenty three responded
30:45
Speaker 10: to that they only adopted twelve of the twenty seven
30:49
Speaker 10: recommendations and noted the other fifteenth.
30:52
Speaker 2: And now they're finally taking some action like this.
30:54
Speaker 10: They've had this, they've had this information, they responded two
30:57
Speaker 10: years ago. Why has it taken so long and what
31:01
Speaker 10: else are they hiding?
31:05
Speaker 2: Let's go to question time today that the Prime Minister.
31:07
Speaker 2: This goes back to all these Bush summons we saw
31:10
Speaker 2: last week and a lot of anger. And it's not
31:13
Speaker 2: just Ballarat where the Prime Minister was on Friday, it
31:15
Speaker 2: is across the board in regional communities. PM cops are
31:19
Speaker 2: questioned today in the Chamber. He didn't like the question.
31:23
Speaker 2: Have a listen. Can the Prime Minister explain to the
31:27
Speaker 2: House why he was chased out of Ballarat last Friday
31:31
Speaker 2: by a convoy of tractors.
31:34
Speaker 6: The Australian Federal Police have enough of a job without
31:36
Speaker 6: it being added to.
31:37
Speaker 3: That's the first point, and the second point is.
31:41
Speaker 12: I run up and talk with people one on one
31:44
Speaker 12: as well as at an event.
31:46
Speaker 5: I don't lie to them.
31:49
Speaker 2: I think he's underestimating how angry people are and they're
31:52
Speaker 2: pushing on. We know they're going to get to the
31:54
Speaker 2: twenty thirty targets, they're going to ramp up with the
31:56
Speaker 2: twenty thirty five even harder. Feel I think there's a
32:00
Speaker 2: real reckoning for the government here.
32:03
Speaker 4: Oh.
32:03
Speaker 11: Absolutely, And the Prime Minister really led with his glass
32:08
Speaker 11: draw today during question time. We had truck drivers in
32:12
Speaker 11: Ballarat and tractors pushed the Prime Minister out of their
32:17
Speaker 11: city because he's not listening to them. The Prime Minister
32:20
Speaker 11: then wants to get up and say, oh, he doesn't.
32:23
Speaker 11: He comes in and he speaks to him. He doesn't
32:25
Speaker 11: tell them lies. Well, they've only known him to tell lies,
32:29
Speaker 11: whether it's through power price reduction, through its different policies.
32:34
Speaker 11: He only needs your Medicare card, not your credit card.
32:37
Speaker 11: He only speaks out of both sides of both sides
32:39
Speaker 11: of his mouth, depending where he is.
32:41
Speaker 4: And now farmers have had enough. They want to be
32:43
Speaker 4: listened to.
32:44
Speaker 11: He didn't listen to them, so they told him where
32:46
Speaker 11: to go and they drove him out.
32:49
Speaker 2: Nick, I just want to get your view on this
32:51
Speaker 2: pepper spray, the personal protection spray allowed now as part
32:56
Speaker 2: of a trial in the Northern Territory. The sale could
33:00
Speaker 2: occur today. This is the first day. Two hundred and
33:02
Speaker 2: fifty five people were told bought the spray. Four people
33:05
Speaker 2: tried to buy it. They were prohibited people. They weren't
33:08
Speaker 2: allowed to do it. Matt Cunningham, a blow in Darwin,
33:11
Speaker 2: went out and bought some himself. Here he is explaining
33:14
Speaker 2: how it worked.
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Speaker 6: So there you go, fifty four bucks and I'm now
33:18
Speaker 6: armed with my own personal pepper spray for self protection.
33:23
Speaker 6: There was a little bit of paperwork involved, had to
33:25
Speaker 6: fill out a simple form and then got a text
33:27
Speaker 6: message saying that I had the right to buy this
33:30
Speaker 6: pepper spray. There was a legal check that was done.
33:32
Speaker 6: I had to say that I didn't have a criminal
33:34
Speaker 6: record and a few other things. And here we are,
33:36
Speaker 6: so fifty four bucks and I'm now armed with my
33:38
Speaker 6: own personal protection device.
33:43
Speaker 2: My first sort of said, we've come to this, but
33:44
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what the few people in the bayside
33:46
Speaker 2: suburbs of Melbourneward months and pepper spray by the front door,
33:49
Speaker 2: given the rate of home invasions. But I also would
33:52
Speaker 2: fear it gets into the hands of the wrong people
33:55
Speaker 2: as well. Nick, what are your thoughts? I couldn't agree
34:00
Speaker 2: with you more.
34:01
Speaker 10: How on earth has our country come to this? This
34:04
Speaker 10: is the very result of the lawlessness of record recruitment
34:10
Speaker 10: and retentions crises across the nation and our police forces
34:15
Speaker 10: because people just don't feel safe. At the end of May,
34:19
Speaker 10: I had my forever car, my V eight Holden Commodore stolen,
34:23
Speaker 10: hasn't been recovered and the police just don't have the
34:26
Speaker 10: time or resources to even bother trying to track it down.
34:30
Speaker 10: So yeah, I'm not surprised that people are rushing out
34:33
Speaker 10: to buy pepper spray. I have friends who have had
34:35
Speaker 10: their homes invaded even here, or attempted home invasions here
34:39
Speaker 10: in Adelaide In my former elector of booth Beer, You've
34:42
Speaker 10: just touched on what's going on in Melbourne. We've seen
34:44
Speaker 10: it in Queensland everywhere, so I think that this is
34:49
Speaker 10: quite a sensible outcome. However, it should not be necessary.
34:53
Speaker 10: This is not the safe and peaceful country that we
34:57
Speaker 10: grew up in and governments at the state and federal
35:00
Speaker 10: level need to do so much more to address the
35:03
Speaker 10: actual problem, which is record historic lawlessness and criminality.
35:10
Speaker 2: I'll over there, thank you, dear. Both half the breaking
35:13
Speaker 2: go to London, where a critic of the UK Online
35:15
Speaker 2: Safety Act shares a warning for Australians over our looming
35:20
Speaker 2: social media band plus. You won't believe the number of
35:23
Speaker 2: people now being arrested in the UK under their version
35:26
Speaker 2: of this information laws as free speech comes under attack.
35:35
Speaker 2: Welcome back still to comment Labour's plan to charge people
35:38
Speaker 2: to access Commonwealth and documents. This is out of freedom
35:41
Speaker 2: of information. FOI so much PM for a supposed transparency Well.
35:47
Speaker 2: Momentum is building behind the upcoming social media band for
35:51
Speaker 2: Australians age sixteen years or younger now merit. Here absolutely
35:56
Speaker 2: no argument that kids need parameters and protections online, but
36:00
Speaker 2: there's real concern when a noble goal like this evolves
36:03
Speaker 2: into government driven censorship. We know already that Australia's E
36:07
Speaker 2: Safety Commissioners pushing for tighter regulations, so how do we
36:10
Speaker 2: get the balance right. Toby Young is a member of
36:13
Speaker 2: Britain's House of Lords. He's the founder of the Free
36:16
Speaker 2: Specie Union and he's been pretty vocal about Britain's Online
36:19
Speaker 2: Safety Act, which has spiraled into a bureaucratic big brother.
36:23
Speaker 2: He'll soon be in Australia to give the annual or
36:26
Speaker 2: ration for the Robert Mensie's Institute. He joins me now
36:29
Speaker 2: from London. Toby, great to have your company were also
36:34
Speaker 2: certainly falling off your laws in the UK. So what
36:37
Speaker 2: do we need to know about what's happened there so
36:41
Speaker 2: we can hopefully avoid it here in Australia.
36:45
Speaker 3: Well, the main problem with the implementation of the Online
36:50
Speaker 3: Safety Act in the UK so far is that various
36:55
Speaker 3: social media companies have been told they have to age
36:58
Speaker 3: gate content, in our case, content that isn't suitable for
37:03
Speaker 3: people under the age of eighteen rather than sixteen. And
37:08
Speaker 3: what we've seen happening is social media companies like x
37:10
Speaker 3: and Facebook agegating content that really isn't content that's unsuitable
37:16
Speaker 3: for children. So for instance, a labor MP making a
37:20
Speaker 3: speech in the House of Commons, now a Conservative MP
37:23
Speaker 3: making a speech in the House of Commons about the
37:25
Speaker 3: grooming gangs. That was agegated footage of people being arrested
37:29
Speaker 3: in at the immigration protests, And it seems like there's
37:32
Speaker 3: a pattern here. Content that seems to support a right
37:35
Speaker 3: wing narrative that's going to lead to people voting for
37:39
Speaker 3: our populist insurgent party is much more likely to be
37:43
Speaker 3: deemed unsuitable for children than content promoting left wing narratives.
37:47
Speaker 3: So we're seeing political bias creep into what content is
37:51
Speaker 3: age social media.
37:55
Speaker 2: So plenty of footage of Greater Tomberg and a Gaza
37:58
Speaker 2: Gaza flotilla and pro Palestinian protests will make the grade.
38:03
Speaker 2: But Australian's out there with the flag, or BRIT's out
38:06
Speaker 2: there with a flag on Saint George's Day or something
38:10
Speaker 2: like that. That's the point you're making that stuff will
38:13
Speaker 2: find its way to the bin.
38:15
Speaker 3: Yes, and I think the problem could reproduce itself in
38:20
Speaker 3: Australia when it comes to age gating what people are
38:24
Speaker 3: able to search for on search engines like Google, for instance.
38:30
Speaker 3: But it's less of a problem when it comes to
38:32
Speaker 3: age gating social media content because over here it's just
38:36
Speaker 3: some social media content that's being age gated, But in Australia,
38:40
Speaker 3: obviously it's all social media content that is going to
38:43
Speaker 3: be age gated, so if you're under sixteen, you won't
38:45
Speaker 3: be able to access it at all. I mean, I
38:48
Speaker 3: think there are various concerns which haven't really been addressed
38:51
Speaker 3: by offcom our online regulator, and I'm not sure the
38:56
Speaker 3: E Safety Commission has really done enough to address these
38:58
Speaker 3: concerns either, Like how do you protect anonymity online? If
39:02
Speaker 3: people have to prove that they are over sixteen in
39:05
Speaker 3: order to open a social media account, how do you
39:08
Speaker 3: preserve anonymity? And that has implications for people who want
39:11
Speaker 3: to blow the whistle on government corruption, former Muslims who
39:16
Speaker 3: want to criticize members of their old communities, political refugees
39:22
Speaker 3: from authoritarian regimes, and other difficulty is well, how do
39:26
Speaker 3: you stop kids who want to act so who want
39:29
Speaker 3: to open social media accounts getting round the age verification
39:32
Speaker 3: by using VPNs. While you could ban VPNs, and there's
39:37
Speaker 3: talk of banning VPNs now by the British government, but
39:40
Speaker 3: that puts you in the same territory as countries like
39:43
Speaker 3: North Korea, Belarus, Turkmenistan, Iraq. Do you really want to
39:48
Speaker 3: be in the same bracket as those countries by banning VPNs.
39:52
Speaker 3: So I think that's a problem. And there are privacy
39:54
Speaker 3: concerns too. People are nervous about handing over their data
39:58
Speaker 3: when needing to prove that the they are over eighteen
40:01
Speaker 3: in order to access the adult content on social media.
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Speaker 3: They're concerned that if they enter all their details, if
40:07
Speaker 3: they put it in their credit card details for instance,
40:10
Speaker 3: that that won't be protected, that'll leak. So there are
40:12
Speaker 3: privacy concerns too.
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Speaker 2: Well, I don't trust the government to get it right.
40:18
Speaker 2: They had a whole lot of stuff in terms of
40:20
Speaker 2: COVID gateways at a government level. They just were not
40:23
Speaker 2: operable here in Australia. And we've got an online medical
40:28
Speaker 2: collection portal, you know, for health records. I certainly won't
40:32
Speaker 2: put my health record in there, So I am dubious
40:36
Speaker 2: to say the least told me about the arrests in
40:38
Speaker 2: the UK as a result of a crackdown there on
40:41
Speaker 2: online disinformation.
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Speaker 3: Yes, so there was a report in the Daily Telegraph
40:48
Speaker 3: over here in February about a year after various criminal offenses.
40:53
Speaker 3: New criminal offenses had been introduced by the Online Safety Act,
40:56
Speaker 3: So they were introduced in January twenty four, So a
40:59
Speaker 3: year later, the Telegraph looked at how many people have
41:01
Speaker 3: been arrested and charged with those new criminal offenses, and
41:06
Speaker 3: it was over three hundred and a significant minority of
41:11
Speaker 3: those were people charged with a new offense under the Act,
41:15
Speaker 3: which may makes it a crime punishable by fifty one
41:19
Speaker 3: weeks in jail to knowingly publish false information that's likely
41:26
Speaker 3: to cause non trivial psychological or physical harm to a
41:30
Speaker 3: likely audience. Now that's quite vague language. How do you
41:34
Speaker 3: really precisely define non trivial psychological harm? But some people
41:40
Speaker 3: have been jailed in the UK for breaching that new
41:43
Speaker 3: criminal offense, and I think one of the difficulties with
41:46
Speaker 3: it is not just defining what is non trivial psychological harm.
41:51
Speaker 3: I mean to take account of just how psycho psychologically
41:55
Speaker 3: fragile the person is, who's been harmed. Another difficulty is
41:58
Speaker 3: it makes the state the final arbiter of what's true
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Speaker 3: and what isn't and I'm not particularly comfortable with granting
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Speaker 3: the state that power.
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Speaker 2: Now, if you're at home and you're thinking, I like
42:11
Speaker 2: the cut of this bloke's gip, He's making a lot
42:13
Speaker 2: of sense and these are big issues here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: He is speaking at the Robert Menzies Institute of Ration
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Speaker 2: dinner on September twenty four. It is in Melbourne, and
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Speaker 2: you're speaking on having the courage to disagree. Toby, we're
42:25
Speaker 2: out of time and I'm putting the information up there.
42:27
Speaker 2: I hope that people will come along to the dinner.
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Speaker 2: I'll certainly be there. Thank you so much for joining
42:32
Speaker 2: me tonight. Forward to catching up with you in Melbourne.
42:36
Speaker 2: Toby Young there and all the details are there on
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Speaker 2: the screen, Robert Menzi's Institute. All right, after the break,
42:42
Speaker 2: Victoria's Treaty and it's new Indigenous voice. Well, today we
42:45
Speaker 2: find out how much it's going to cost. It's upwards
42:48
Speaker 2: just for the body alone of three hundred milligan plus
42:52
Speaker 2: those migration numbers will get into those with an economist.
42:55
Speaker 2: After the break.
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Speaker 4: Welcoin Brank.
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Speaker 2: Let's bring in my panel, Institute of PubL Affairs Chief Economists,
43:03
Speaker 2: senior fellow to Adam Crichton and author of The Spectator
43:06
Speaker 2: Terry Barnes. Will start with migration and housing and all
43:11
Speaker 2: of those issues. Got some housing numbers out at the moment.
43:13
Speaker 2: The obed is that government, of course is lagging in
43:15
Speaker 2: its target to build one point two million homes by
43:18
Speaker 2: the end of the decade. Numbers out for the Master
43:21
Speaker 2: Builders Association reveals a gap of thirty six thousand homes
43:25
Speaker 2: per year until the middle of twenty twenty nine. And
43:29
Speaker 2: of course that and that would be if we were
43:31
Speaker 2: standing still probably in migration terms, and we not.
43:34
Speaker 4: Yes, look that's right.
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Speaker 12: Look, I think the reality is they're going to be
43:36
Speaker 12: hundreds of thousands of homes behind. I would say by
43:38
Speaker 12: twenty thirty. They just don't have the workforce to build
43:41
Speaker 12: these homes. I mean just just remember that stat from
43:42
Speaker 12: a few weeks ago. I said on the show that
43:44
Speaker 12: only three percent of the migrants on temporary visas are tradesmen. So,
43:48
Speaker 12: I mean, how can you build all these homes suddenly?
43:51
Speaker 12: You know, it's such huge numbers.
43:52
Speaker 2: Yes, just three percent.
43:53
Speaker 4: It's just extraordinary.
43:54
Speaker 12: Three percent are tradesmen, right, And so you've got all
43:56
Speaker 12: these massive state government projects going on the suburban railroop
43:59
Speaker 12: here in Melbourne. Of course that sucks up all the
44:01
Speaker 12: workers and so there's no other workers to build the homes.
44:04
Speaker 12: So you have all these policies, not all these lawyers,
44:06
Speaker 12: I should say in Parliament who just think you write
44:07
Speaker 12: a law or you set a target and it's going
44:09
Speaker 12: to happen. That's not how economics works.
44:12
Speaker 2: Just quickly, while I was away the productivity something happened.
44:16
Speaker 2: I was watching and if sure I stayed up to
44:18
Speaker 2: get my head around it, I have to say. People
44:20
Speaker 2: said to me the next day this is one of
44:21
Speaker 2: the things that cuts through. When I was away, people
44:23
Speaker 2: said to me, how on earth does Australia think boosting
44:26
Speaker 2: productivity is paying people five days of a wage to
44:30
Speaker 2: work four days. How's that productivity?
44:33
Speaker 4: Well, it's obviously insane.
44:34
Speaker 12: I mean first, so, I'm very impressed that you stayed
44:36
Speaker 12: up to watch the round table, which achieved absolutely nothing.
44:38
Speaker 4: Really correct, This was just a huge talk fest.
44:40
Speaker 12: But you know the really is we had all these
44:42
Speaker 12: vested interests, all these rent seekers at the at the
44:44
Speaker 12: round table, and you know, they all make these suggestions
44:46
Speaker 12: which are completely ridiculous, you know, to cut the work week.
44:49
Speaker 4: You know, the government's got no business in that.
44:52
Speaker 2: The treaty. We don't know what's in the treaty. We
44:55
Speaker 2: don't know what the reparations, the compensation, all the stuff
44:59
Speaker 2: that will come. But we do know today because the
45:02
Speaker 2: government's had to put the budget numbs out there that
45:05
Speaker 2: around three hundred million dollars will be spent to create
45:08
Speaker 2: basically a voice to the Parliament that even Victorian voters
45:13
Speaker 2: in the referendum Terry rejected.
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Speaker 13: Oh look, it's absolutely insane, Peter, because we're not just
45:18
Speaker 13: talking about a voice, we're talking about an alternative form
45:21
Speaker 13: of government here. Yes, in terms of the powers this
45:24
Speaker 13: body will have, and the fact is going to cost
45:25
Speaker 13: almost three hundred million dollars in a state that is
45:28
Speaker 13: pretty well damned bankrupt.
45:31
Speaker 2: It's just crazy.
45:32
Speaker 13: But when you think about it, it's the labor government
45:34
Speaker 13: in Victoria is actually saying that Victoria's like animal farm.
45:38
Speaker 13: We're all equal, but some are more equal than others.
45:41
Speaker 2: Foy. Today, the government's saying that they're going to tighten
45:43
Speaker 2: our p foy are They're going to make it more
45:46
Speaker 2: difficult basically to get information. They'll be fees and sort
45:51
Speaker 2: of cordons on how you might get things. They say
45:54
Speaker 2: it's because vexatious or time wasting sort of applications. They
45:58
Speaker 2: promised all this transparency terry. They certainly haven't given us transparency.
46:03
Speaker 2: This this makes me very nervous.
46:07
Speaker 4: Well, it certainly does.
46:08
Speaker 13: And look, they weren't in opposition too long ago, and
46:11
Speaker 13: they should remember that one of the plays that oppositions
46:14
Speaker 13: hold governments to account.
46:15
Speaker 2: Is too and the media too.
46:18
Speaker 13: And but but certainly I think the government is, having
46:21
Speaker 13: said that they're going to be more open, more transparent,
46:23
Speaker 13: they're shutting up the they're shutting up the doors, they're
46:25
Speaker 13: putting up the shutters that they really want to make
46:28
Speaker 13: sure that they can be as opaque and obscure as
46:32
Speaker 13: possible and not accountable.
46:33
Speaker 2: The latest round of crazy, stupid, infantile research grants have
46:39
Speaker 2: come out. We've got poor old taxpayer spending money on
46:42
Speaker 2: research of the analysis of comic books, research into the
46:46
Speaker 2: optimum workplace of nap time. That's why that's if we
46:49
Speaker 2: can even get them into the office. But what's the
46:51
Speaker 2: optimum workplace in that?
46:53
Speaker 12: Well, well, look, I just think it's so embarrassing for
46:54
Speaker 12: our universities and also and also the fact that that
46:57
Speaker 12: ultimately taxpayers are paying for this so called we've all.
47:00
Speaker 2: Got degrees, right, well, we needn't learn this rot when
47:02
Speaker 2: we're at university.
47:03
Speaker 4: To I think universities are in a huge decline.
47:07
Speaker 12: I think it's very embarrassing as in Australian you know,
47:09
Speaker 12: we used to have great universities. I think now they're
47:11
Speaker 12: all largely cash cows for foreign students. They basically sell,
47:14
Speaker 12: they basically sell permanent residency to Australia for a large fee.
47:17
Speaker 2: I'd be saying to kids, Terry and I've got nieces
47:19
Speaker 2: and nephew, get out there and get a trade. You're
47:22
Speaker 2: not going to be wiped out by AI. If you've
47:23
Speaker 2: got a tool in your hand, you'll have a lot
47:26
Speaker 2: more dignity, you'll be able to be your own boss,
47:28
Speaker 2: and you don't waste one hundreds of thousand dollars on
47:30
Speaker 2: a useless degree.
47:31
Speaker 13: Absolutely, I think AI is threatening the futures of people
47:35
Speaker 13: who work with their heads as opposed to people working
47:37
Speaker 13: with their hands. And certainly when you hear about universities
47:41
Speaker 13: and AI being used by students, I mean, who's doing
47:45
Speaker 13: the degrees and machine or the students. So look, I
47:47
Speaker 13: think there are some real questions there about the future
47:51
Speaker 13: of our education, the future of our workforce, and I
47:53
Speaker 13: think we have to have these discussions, these debates, these conversations,
47:56
Speaker 13: but we're not We're just.
47:57
Speaker 2: About out of time. And I tried to make the
47:59
Speaker 2: point all the time. Night. There's a big difference between
48:01
Speaker 2: the permanent migrant Grecian number they talked about today's.
48:04
Speaker 4: Fraudulent yeah claim.
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Speaker 12: You know, one eighty five thousand is the so called
48:07
Speaker 12: official number, but it's actually four hundred thousand almost at
48:09
Speaker 12: the moment.
48:10
Speaker 4: It's the actual met overseas.
48:11
Speaker 2: And we get ahead to five hundred plus by the
48:13
Speaker 2: end of the year.
48:14
Speaker 4: That's certainly possible.
48:14
Speaker 12: That's certainly possible. It's shameful, and I think people are
48:16
Speaker 12: getting very angry about it, and you know, rightfully so.
48:19
Speaker 2: And that's why the march of the streets. Well, thank
48:20
Speaker 2: you very much, oh Dad, Andrews in night China, m
48:23
Speaker 2: that's interesting, isn't it.
48:26
Speaker 4: Enough said?
48:26
Speaker 2: Enough said? Right, We'll leave it there. We haven't either
48:29
Speaker 2: of us gotten belt, right, that's for me to see tomorrow. Night.
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Speaker 2: Here's Andrew Bolt