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The Kenny Report | 8 December · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Live from the Skying New Center.
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  Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: A big week to come here on the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me tonight. The Albanezy government's electricity bill
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  Speaker 3: rebates will come to an end, just when Labour's travel
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  Speaker 3: expense scandal deepens. Pauline Hanson scores her star recruit with
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  Speaker 3: Barnaby Joyce formally signing with One Nation, and more strife
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  Speaker 3: for the coalition in state politics with yet another opposition
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  Speaker 3: leader replaced. The United States warns its allies they need
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  Speaker 3: to spend more on defense. Shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor
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  Speaker 3: joins me later. All that plus Sophie Ell'sworth in London
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  Speaker 3: and Gemtine Union Caroline Derusso on the issues of the day,
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  Speaker 3: Let's get into it. One of the Albersi Labor Government's
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  Speaker 3: cabinet ministers is in as much strife as the English
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  Speaker 3: cricket team. This week was supposed to be a huge
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  Speaker 3: one for Communications Minister Anika Wells. She's supposed to be
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  Speaker 3: front and center introducing and highlighting the world first social
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  Speaker 3: media band for under sixteen year olds, which kicks in
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  Speaker 3: on Wednesday, But instead today she's lying low and if
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  Speaker 3: there's anyone who could do with social media being banned
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  Speaker 3: right now, it's the Communication Minister herself.
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  Speaker 2: She's being mocked online and in the.
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  Speaker 3: Mainstream media over her lavish travels at taxpayers expense. We
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  Speaker 3: highlighted last week her unnecessary one hundred thousand dollars trip
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  Speaker 3: to New York City back in September. One social media
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  Speaker 3: post costed her New York speech at fourteen thousand, five
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  Speaker 3: hundred dollars a minute for taxpayers. Another wag has taken
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  Speaker 3: a satirical dig pretending the Minister has dodged the controversy
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  Speaker 3: by flying to the Maldives for a heaps urgent meeting.
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  Speaker 3: All very amusing, but from Wells there are no laughs
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  Speaker 3: and no apologies.
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  Speaker 2: Where you're shocked.
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  Speaker 1: Then when you found out how much it costs, did
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  Speaker 1: you go goodness me, I didn't realize it costs that much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I absolutely understand that any ordinary Australian would
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  Speaker 4: look in those those black and white figures and have
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  Speaker 4: a gut reaction. I completely understand that. I guess where
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  Speaker 4: I'm coming from is my duties is the Comms Minister.
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  Speaker 4: Two really important things we're talking about. We're talking about lives.
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  Speaker 3: Being lost, but on top of the New York trip,
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  Speaker 3: the hits just keep coming. It turns out that taxpayers
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  Speaker 3: forked out thousands for her family to join her on
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  Speaker 3: a trip to the Threadbow ski resort.
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  Speaker 1: It's your trip to Threadbow in the papers this morning,
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  Speaker 1: where you took your husband and kids in June at
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  Speaker 1: a cost to the taxpayer of about two thousand dollars.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't you I assume you were there for a cabinet
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  Speaker 1: meeting in camp. Couldn't you have paid your family cost
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  Speaker 1: out of your own pocket and just had your cost
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  Speaker 1: on the taxpayer.
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  Speaker 2: Din Look.
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  Speaker 4: That is also the Adaptive Festival for Paralympics Australia, which
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  Speaker 4: was only made possible because of the injection of funding,
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  Speaker 4: the doubling of funding that the Prime Minister has put
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  Speaker 4: into a Paralympic sport.
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  Speaker 3: Wells, there's also sports minister. She chalked up expensive meals
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  Speaker 3: on an Olympian ministerial trip to Paris.
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  Speaker 1: What about this thousand dollars dinner in Paris that was
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  Speaker 1: with a staffer, the Australian ambassador and another guest. Who
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  Speaker 1: was the guest?
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  Speaker 4: I believe that was probably a department person. Okay, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: a department of who accompanies us on the trip and
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  Speaker 4: does the supports us in our policy.
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  Speaker 1: You reckon a thousand bucks might be a bit much.
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  Speaker 3: And there were thousands of dollars more for a work
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  Speaker 3: trip to Adelaide that just happened to go inside with
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  Speaker 3: a birthday party for a labor mate.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know about your friend's birthday party before you
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  Speaker 1: booked this trip and you booked your meetings?
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: I can check the timeline for you. But Andrew, this
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  Speaker 4: is a work trip. I follow the guidelines. This trip
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  Speaker 4: adheres to the guidelines. It was work travel.
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  Speaker 2: And now more revelations.
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  Speaker 3: Wells also hit up taxpayers for her husband and kids
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  Speaker 3: to join her at the AFL Grand Final. The husband
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  Speaker 3: went to three Grand Finals nights work if you can
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  Speaker 3: get it, And of course HBI went along too, to
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  Speaker 3: the Formula one Grand Prix in Melbourne and the Boxing
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  Speaker 3: day test, all at our expense. All's well, that works
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  Speaker 3: out well for Wells. Apparently all above board according to
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  Speaker 3: the government. The New York trip even had Prime ministerial
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  Speaker 3: in primacha.
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  Speaker 1: You did approve this, of course, you thought thirty four
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  Speaker 1: grand for a fet what.
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  Speaker 2: We spoke I didn't get all the receipts. David. What
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  Speaker 2: happened was I was traveling.
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  Speaker 5: We spoke on the Friday night, we spoke again on
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  Speaker 5: the Saturday morning before I departed and made the decision
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  Speaker 5: that Minister Wells would stay.
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  Speaker 2: So this was your coll to deal with these issues. Well,
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  Speaker 2: we did it. As a government. We make calls, David Albanez.
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  Speaker 2: He says his minister has complied with.
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  Speaker 3: The rules, even though he's not keen to drill into
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  Speaker 3: the details.
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  Speaker 5: There are rules there and I'm not going to go
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  Speaker 5: through each and each and every one. I've been traveling
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  Speaker 5: in the car, so I haven't been advised about that.
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  Speaker 5: Of course, the state bail schemes are run by the
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  Speaker 5: State Australia and independent body and the government doesn't direct
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  Speaker 5: them on what to do. This is not my proposal.
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  Speaker 5: This is the Australian people's proposal. State and Church of
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  Speaker 5: governments are responsible primarily for those issues. I don't this
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  Speaker 5: will come as a shock, David. But I don't you
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  Speaker 5: bring up and make bookings myself.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.
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  Speaker 3: Hey, there's always someone else to flick the hand pass
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  Speaker 3: to the buck never stops with our boat because he's
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  Speaker 3: not well, you know. Yeah, it's funny because it's true,
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  Speaker 3: but eventually somebody has to take responsibility, and today the
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  Speaker 3: treasurer made clear that person would not be him.
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  Speaker 6: I understand why people are concerned about it, but at
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  Speaker 6: the end of the day, these are within the rules.
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  Speaker 6: Last one treasure of answer question Treasurer of answer de
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  Speaker 6: question camp.
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  Speaker 7: Is it fair for taxpayers to be paying for business
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  Speaker 7: class flights as part of the family renewunion allows when
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  Speaker 7: households are making difficult decisions about electricity bills.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and it's an expensive time.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, thanks very much. I refer you to the same
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  Speaker 6: answer I gave a cam a moment ago.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks very much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, you got to think there are as many legs
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  Speaker 3: in this story as there are in Anika Will's travels,
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  Speaker 3: and given she has to front up and talk social
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  Speaker 3: media bands sometime this week, we can expect fireworks.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Just on these tragic fires over the weekend, there are
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  Speaker 3: a few important things to say. With about twenty houses
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  Speaker 3: destroyed on the New South Wales central coast and a
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  Speaker 3: similar number in Tasmania over the weekend, many lives have
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  Speaker 3: been upended, and.
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  Speaker 2: As I highlighted last week.
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  Speaker 3: We have warnings of a severe heat wave from the
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  Speaker 3: Weather Bureau, which seemed absurd given the temperatures in the
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  Speaker 3: mid to high thirties in the main and just over
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  Speaker 3: forty elsewhere were only there for two days. What was
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  Speaker 3: a problem in both states was very strong winds. It
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  Speaker 3: was the wind that did the damage and should have
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  Speaker 3: led to more warnings about fire risks rather than telling
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  Speaker 3: people to worry about the heat and The terrible news
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  Speaker 3: today was that one firefighter in New South Wales was killed.
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  Speaker 2: He was working for the National Parks.
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  Speaker 3: And Wildlife Service on bush fire prevention work north of
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  Speaker 3: Newcastle and he was crushed by a falling tree.
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  Speaker 8: It's a very sad day for firefighters and the New
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  Speaker 8: South Wales community. We've lost a firefighter from the National
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  Speaker 8: Park's team fighting the bush fire in Bulladilla. Obviously, authorities
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  Speaker 8: are in the process of contacting that firefighters family, so
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  Speaker 8: I can't say much more than that other than we're
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  Speaker 8: heartbroken by this news. It's devastating and it's a reminder
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  Speaker 8: of what firefighters had to do to keep the public safety.
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  Speaker 3: Such a shocking turn of events for many families, but
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  Speaker 3: especially for that man and his family and his workmates.
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  Speaker 2: We thank all of them for their brave service.
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  Speaker 3: This is the timeless threat of the Australian summer. In fact,
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  Speaker 3: it's a year round threat in various parts of this country.
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  Speaker 3: But it's always been with us and it always will be,
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  Speaker 3: which is why I find it disturbing that we get
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  Speaker 3: constantly get this media and others try to in check
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  Speaker 3: climate change into this. They always look for a climate
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  Speaker 3: change angle, as if somehow this is something new or different.
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  Speaker 2: Listen to this academic on ABC Radio this morning.
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  Speaker 9: We just have to accept the fact that with a
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  Speaker 9: very unstable climate a fire situation, you can go from
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  Speaker 9: zero to one hundred in hours, and you've got to
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  Speaker 9: think about what that means, because that means that you
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  Speaker 9: might be having to activate a bushfire plan very quickly,
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  Speaker 9: not in days, in hours. So that's an enormous mind
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  Speaker 9: shift that we're asking people to be thinking about that. Really,
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  Speaker 9: the warnings now are that when you have dry vegetation,
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  Speaker 9: and that can even be in winter, that you can
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  Speaker 9: have these very dangerous fires. And so we're just living
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  Speaker 9: in a very dangerous fire world.
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  Speaker 3: Now, Look, this is just not right, because it's always
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  Speaker 3: been us.
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  Speaker 2: This is the wrong message.
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  Speaker 3: Bushfire threats can always emerge and change quickly.
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  Speaker 2: That has always been the case.
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  Speaker 3: Strong winds have always been deadly, and I think it's
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  Speaker 3: irresponsible to always push this climate change message.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you.
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  Speaker 3: Why tell people this is about climate change, and you
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  Speaker 3: just increase a lifemism and despair and helplessness, and you
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  Speaker 3: convince people that they'll reduce the fire threat by switching
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  Speaker 3: to renewable energy or something, which is just ridiculous. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: look at this on the western plains of New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales on the weekend. One fire was triggered in a
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  Speaker 3: solar energy installation and that is a worry, another threat
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  Speaker 3: of how fires can start with so many renewables projects
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  Speaker 3: around the country. But more to the point, people need
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  Speaker 3: to learn how common and dangerous bush fires are, and
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  Speaker 3: they need to learn that building homes adjacent to the
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  Speaker 3: bush is an accident waiting to happen. You have to
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  Speaker 3: have distance, large distances between bush land or fuel and
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  Speaker 3: the houses. Governments, that is, state governments and local councils
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  Speaker 3: need to be far more vigilant on this stuff. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: let me give you one example. I noted on the weekend.
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  Speaker 3: I was sent this picture on the weekend on social
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  Speaker 3: media as a real estate ad for a.
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  Speaker 2: Place on the New South Wales coast, sprooking how it
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  Speaker 2: was nestled in the bush.
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  Speaker 3: It looks lovely, sure, but in this land of ours
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  Speaker 3: such a setting will one day be a death trap.
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  Speaker 3: Of course, we've been talking about this for years on
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  Speaker 3: this program. Forget the climate change obsession. The climate will
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  Speaker 3: do whatever it will do. But we've always faced a
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  Speaker 3: deadly bushfire threat and we always will. So we need
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  Speaker 3: to make houses and communities safe long before the fires arrive.
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  Speaker 3: Now let's check in on the liberal side of politics,
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  Speaker 3: where there's been another leadership change, would you believe, this
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  Speaker 3: time in South Australia, and once more a relatively inexperienced
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  Speaker 3: woman takes over to give the opposition a fresh approach.
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  Speaker 3: The South Australian Liberals are only three months away from
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  Speaker 3: an election campaign, and yet their leader, Vincent Tazia, resigned
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  Speaker 3: spectacularly late last week. He's been replaced today by first
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  Speaker 3: term MP Ashton Hearne in what is a takeover by
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  Speaker 3: the moderate wing of the party. Hearne's elevation comes hot
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  Speaker 3: on the heels, of course, of Jess Wilson's installation in
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  Speaker 3: Victoria and Kelly Sloane becoming opposition leader in New South Wales.
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  Speaker 3: If you throw in federal opposition leader Susan Lee, you
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  Speaker 3: have a significant change in the public face of the
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  Speaker 3: Liberal Party right across the nation. Lee is much more
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  Speaker 3: experienced than the others as a former minister. But all
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  Speaker 3: up you have four new female leaders and all from
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  Speaker 3: the party's moderate wing, and that, to my mind is.
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  Speaker 2: The worry here.
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  Speaker 3: The Liberals need fresh faces and they need prominent women,
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  Speaker 3: but when moderates lead the Liberal Party, they tend to
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  Speaker 3: lack the backbone to take up the fight to labor.
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  Speaker 3: We shall see out from an election with South Australian
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  Speaker 3: Labor Premier Peter Malanowska seemingly unassailable. Ashton Hearn is up
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  Speaker 3: against it.
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  Speaker 7: Labour think that they've got this next election in the bag.
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  Speaker 7: They think they've got it in the bag, and that
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  Speaker 7: really worries me because what does that mean. That means
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  Speaker 7: that the Labor Party have the full run of the
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  Speaker 7: Parliament and they've got unchecked power. And so we'll be
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  Speaker 7: making sure that we provide South Australians with a real choice.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we need strong oppositions to hold governments to account.
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  Speaker 3: But given the circumstances, Herne looks less like the savior
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  Speaker 3: than someone being handed a poisoned chalice. Let's catch up
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  Speaker 3: now with National's deput leader Kevin Hogan, who joins us
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  Speaker 3: from Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Good to catch up with you again, Kevin.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go to the other breaking news on the coalition
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  Speaker 3: side today, that is the formal switching of your former
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  Speaker 3: leader Barnaby Joyce to One Nation.
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  Speaker 2: You must be gatted by that shift.
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  Speaker 10: Noah, Chris, we are and I am. I mean, I
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  Speaker 10: suppose it wasn't a surprise. It had been coming and
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  Speaker 10: sort of broadcast. But still Barnaby had been deputy prime
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  Speaker 10: Minister twice later of our party twice, and had.
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  Speaker 2: Been a significant figure. So of course we're disappointed.
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  Speaker 10: There's one thing about leaving a party or sitting on
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  Speaker 10: the cross benches or saying you're leaving the room, but
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  Speaker 10: to join an opposition or a party that opposes us
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  Speaker 10: and we'll try and take seats from us is very
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  Speaker 10: disappointing given his importance historically with our party.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's have a look at some of what he's
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  Speaker 2: had to say today.
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  Speaker 11: It's about growing the team and bringing on other people
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  Speaker 11: to enhance what we have to offer and people will
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  Speaker 11: look at one nation with a different focus that we
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  Speaker 11: can make a difference to this country, and Barnaby is
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  Speaker 11: part of that team.
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  Speaker 12: It's also I think that Pauline and I we didn't
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  Speaker 12: meet each other yesterday. We've known each other for twenty years.
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  Speaker 12: Twenty years, and we did make this decision overnight. It
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  Speaker 12: was a very con hit a decision over a long
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  Speaker 12: period of time, and I want to thank Pauline for
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  Speaker 12: her persevere and some patience with me.
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  Speaker 2: There you go.
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  Speaker 3: We've been talking about this happening for a number of weeks,
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  Speaker 3: but now it's formal and Kevin, there's such a well
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  Speaker 3: known figures, it's an impressive, impressive brand.
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  Speaker 2: It helps Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 3: You would think with her brand, she's already polling unprecedented numbers.
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  Speaker 3: Are you worried just just how deep is you're worry
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  Speaker 3: about National supporters, especially in regional New South Wales and
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  Speaker 3: Queensland defecting to one nation.
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  Speaker 10: Well, look, certainly I wish this hadn't happened, Chris, but look,
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  Speaker 10: you know against this, I mean I've seen personally a
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  Speaker 10: huge increase in Nationals membership since the election, since our
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  Speaker 10: nantzero twenty fifty announcement as well. I've got a new
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  Speaker 10: branch and will gorgrim my patch across New South Wald.
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  Speaker 10: There's been a huge increase in membership over the last
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  Speaker 10: few months as well. But you know, we now at
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  Speaker 10: least have time to find a candidate for New England.
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  Speaker 10: We've got some state MPs who are in that region
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  Speaker 10: now already on the ground as well with keeping strong
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  Speaker 10: brand presents for us. So we've got time to find
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  Speaker 10: a good candidate and we will do everything to make
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  Speaker 10: sure we hold you into the next federal election, Chris,
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  Speaker 10: because we think it's important. Remember the Nats Chris led
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  Speaker 10: the Voice led opposition to the Voice have led on
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  Speaker 10: a few issues, like the nuclear discussion. We've now led
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  Speaker 10: on Net zero twenty fifty. We've got a strong brand
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  Speaker 10: as well, and we'll do everything to curb the growth
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  Speaker 10: of One Nation.
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  Speaker 3: Barnaby Barnaby Joyce of course got the Nats into Net
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  Speaker 3: zero and led the way to get them out of
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  Speaker 3: it as well. I should mention that interview with Barnaby
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  Speaker 3: and Pauline coming up tonight on the Bolt Report.
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  Speaker 2: You can see the full interview.
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  Speaker 3: Let me go to other issues today though, and Anika
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  Speaker 3: Wells more revelations about her trips. She seems to be
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  Speaker 3: living high on the hog, even though it's all within entitlements.
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  Speaker 3: Are the entitlements the problem here or is Anika Wells
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  Speaker 3: the problem?
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  Speaker 10: Well, look, I think there's always a pub test here, Chris,
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  Speaker 10: and I think she's farting the pub test big time.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, you might raise your eyebrows on one or
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  Speaker 10: two of these, but multiple Grand Fine Grand Prixx boxing
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  Speaker 10: day tests, ski trips with the family and the snow.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, this actually now has a real stench to it,
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  Speaker 10: and I think, you know, I mean, I think one
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  Speaker 10: of my colleagues raised the point today too. I mean
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  Speaker 10: one of these claims was a family reunion that they
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  Speaker 10: were both at the boxing day test, where you assume
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  Speaker 10: that's spent Christmas Day together. So you know, I think,
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  Speaker 10: you know, when you do these things, you know this
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  Speaker 10: is on the expense of the taxpayer. I think we
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  Speaker 10: should always be prudent when we do this. I support
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  Speaker 10: family reunion because MP's are away so much, but you know,
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  Speaker 10: the majority of that is for family to go to Canberra.
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  Speaker 10: You know, I think this has a real you know,
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  Speaker 10: I look about it. That's not passing the pub test.
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  Speaker 10: And you know that's while we're you know, we're still
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  Speaker 10: talking about it.
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  Speaker 3: I failed to get tickets to this year's AFL Grand Final.
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  Speaker 3: I sort of just checked the family treat to see
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  Speaker 3: whether it was related to Anika Wells.
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  Speaker 2: I might have been hand to pull something out. Now.
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  Speaker 3: The other big news today is that the Treasurer, Jim Chalmers,
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  Speaker 3: has announced that these energy rebates, the government spent seven
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  Speaker 3: billion dollars putting in.
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  Speaker 2: Rebates to artificially lower electricity.
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  Speaker 3: Prices, they're going to come off no more after December.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what the Treasurer had to say.
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  Speaker 6: And we want to replace it with the cleanest, cheapest,
• 19:07
  Speaker 6: most reliable renewable energy where we can firmed by gas
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: and hydro and backed up by batteries. That's our approach.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just go to another comment there where Jim
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Champers talks about the politics and economics involved.
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: On the politics of energy bill rebates. We try to
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: make the right decisions by people and by the economy,
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: and others can judge the politics of that.
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: Now, Kevin Hogan, I got to say, I think he's
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: got that completely the wrong way around. These rebates were
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: always about politics. They are always about buying votes in
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: the lead up to the election, and now he's.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Taking it off.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: The economy demands that he actually lowers electricity prices by
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: producing cheaper electricity, not by having to send out rebates
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: to every customer in the country.
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: Chris evsl only this rebate, as you said, or some
• 20:01
  Speaker 10: political purposes through the election.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: He was always going to remove them.
• 20:04
  Speaker 10: Who knows, he may try and reintroduce it three months
• 20:06
  Speaker 10: before the next election to buy votes again as well.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: But this is a symptom.
• 20:10
  Speaker 10: Higher energy prices are a symptom of a bigger cause,
• 20:13
  Speaker 10: which again goes back to our net zero twenty fifty position.
• 20:17
  Speaker 10: Energy bills have gone up enormously over the last three
• 20:20
  Speaker 10: or four years. Why this government has been empowered they
• 20:22
  Speaker 10: will continue to do because what they are saying about
• 20:25
  Speaker 10: renewables only is not true. It makes energy more expensive
• 20:30
  Speaker 10: for a whole lot of other reasons. So you know,
• 20:32
  Speaker 10: that's why our cheaper, better fare of plan is important.
• 20:35
  Speaker 10: We want to remove and to stop this huge increase
• 20:39
  Speaker 10: we've seen bailouts for businesses. We're seeing you know, and
• 20:43
  Speaker 10: family businesses not be able to afford their bills. Families
• 20:45
  Speaker 10: not be able to afford their energy bill. We know
• 20:47
  Speaker 10: the bigger reason behind this, and that's what we've got
• 20:49
  Speaker 10: to address, not rebase. It don't change a thing.
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, Kevin Hogan. I appreciate it, Kevin Hogan.
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: They're joining us live from Melbourne. I want to get
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: onto this social media band for teenagers now, Minister Anaka Wells.
• 21:01
  Speaker 3: There's nowhere to be seen today, so let's catch up
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: with child and adolescent psychologists. Clear Row Claire, good to
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: share your insights again. We've talked a lot about this
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: band coming into place. Wednesday is D Day. Already a
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: lot of reports about teenagers and their parents, actually their
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: parents colluding with them. I think they'll be able to
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: find a way around this. I mean that's the tech side.
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: If people want to will they be able to find
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: their way around it?
• 21:28
  Speaker 13: Yeah, thanks Chris. Yeah, of course they will be able
• 21:30
  Speaker 13: to find their way around it. They'll use their parents' accounts,
• 21:34
  Speaker 13: they'll go on to other VPNs. You know, my seven
• 21:38
  Speaker 13: year old is more tech savvy than me. They could
• 21:40
  Speaker 13: probably do it. So I don't think it was really
• 21:43
  Speaker 13: about that whether you agree that this should be with
• 21:46
  Speaker 13: the government's hands or not. I think it was about
• 21:49
  Speaker 13: trying to empower parents. And that's exactly the point. When
• 21:53
  Speaker 13: this shift happens on Wednesday, it's not actually about what
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: happens online, it's about what's going to happen inside of homes.
• 22:01
  Speaker 13: I keep telling parents, the government is not going to
• 22:03
  Speaker 13: be there on Wednesday when you are dealing with a
• 22:06
  Speaker 13: kid who I think will be in neurological dopamine withdrawal.
• 22:11
  Speaker 13: We're going to have a lot of angry, irritable kids.
• 22:14
  Speaker 13: And when you're thirteen year old, you know, is melting
• 22:17
  Speaker 13: down at four pm on Wednesday and Thursday and Friday,
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: there are going to be a lot of parents. And also,
• 22:25
  Speaker 13: it doesn't go past me that it's this time of
• 22:27
  Speaker 13: the year and parents are stressed and we're frazzled, and
• 22:30
  Speaker 13: we're pushed anyway that parents are just going to say, here,
• 22:34
  Speaker 13: I have my account or have my phone. So maybe,
• 22:37
  Speaker 13: you know, I can make the argument that government legislation
• 22:40
  Speaker 13: should not be used in this way, but here we are.
• 22:43
  Speaker 13: It has been handed to parents for the ones that
• 22:46
  Speaker 13: really do want to do something and get their fourteen
• 22:50
  Speaker 13: year old to reclaim you know, four five six hours
• 22:54
  Speaker 13: a day of scrolling, so they're the parents that are
• 22:57
  Speaker 13: going to have to remain really calm, but hold the
• 23:01
  Speaker 13: boundary and remain really steadfast after Wednesday, if that's what
• 23:06
  Speaker 13: they want to do for their child. Will there be
• 23:08
  Speaker 13: kids still on it after this?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 23:10
  Speaker 13: Do kids during under the age of eighteen? Yes, there
• 23:13
  Speaker 13: will be. But for parents that really want to use
• 23:16
  Speaker 13: this as an opportunity to reset, I'm talking to them
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: about making a plan come Wednesday, because I think that
• 23:23
  Speaker 13: there would be kids who are really significantly struggling.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Tell me about the need to do that. It's a parents' choice,
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: as you say, make a plan. But I just cannot
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: believe how I see children having complete access to smartphones
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: and social media at young ages now twelve, thirteen, fourteen,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: I see it all around. Of course, I'm fighting a
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: battle with my own kids of a teenager and a
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: tween agent to keep them.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: Off, and I'm not saying it's easy.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: But what would you say directly to parents about how
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: damaging this could be and how it should be a
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: priority for them to Let's forget about those who are
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: going to have to tip off.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: Now that's tough, but you know, if you've got.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Ten to eleven twelve year olds how important is it
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: to keep them off this stuff?
• 24:06
  Speaker 13: Oh, it's really important. I mean I think if you've
• 24:08
  Speaker 13: got a kid under the age of say ten twelve
• 24:11
  Speaker 13: who doesn't have social media right now, this will go
• 24:14
  Speaker 13: to advantage you if you don't want them on these okay,
• 24:17
  Speaker 13: And that's exactly the point. You'll be able to say, ah,
• 24:20
  Speaker 13: it's against the law, you're not getting it till you're sixteen,
• 24:23
  Speaker 13: and take comfort in the fact that that your kid
• 24:25
  Speaker 13: won't be the only one whose parents draw that line,
• 24:28
  Speaker 13: whereas previously that was the whole difficulty and frustration for
• 24:32
  Speaker 13: parents is that they gave over these social media apps
• 24:35
  Speaker 13: generally when kids went to high school because they didn't
• 24:38
  Speaker 13: want them to be excluded. Now there'll be kids on it,
• 24:41
  Speaker 13: but there will be a group there who aren't on it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 13: And for me, with a parent of little kids, I
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: am thrilled about that I'll be able to say no.
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: But I really feel for the parents of the thirteen
• 24:52
  Speaker 13: or fourteen year olds now who are going to try
• 24:54
  Speaker 13: and take it off them. That's when you need to
• 24:58
  Speaker 13: make a replacement, because there will be a huge vacuum
• 25:01
  Speaker 13: hours a day. And what I worry is that sinister
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: things will take the place ai chatbots to chat to
• 25:09
  Speaker 13: pornography other sinister platforms.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: So you need to fill the.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Vacuum, yeah, with footy or cricket or netple or walk
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: in the park or scrabble or even try and get
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: them to read a book.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: We'll see. Hell of a challenge.
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: Love talking to you about it so much clear, catch
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: up next time. Claiar road there and just no smartphones.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: Don't have a smartphone makes.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It a bit easier to keep people off social medium.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: We've got to take a break on the other side.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: And get back into the energy debate as well, with
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: the latest from Europe on where they're looking more and
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: more at nuclear power, with power prices still on the
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: rise and the Alberanezer government calling an end to its
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: electricity price rebates. The energy debate continues, of course, and
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: as I keep pointing out, much of it is either
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: delusional or deliberately deceptive. Now check out this article in
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: the Financial Review on why nations fail on energy. Australia's
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: insistence that an advanced industrial economy can be powered primarily
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: by intermittent renewables within a decade has shifted from policy
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: position to political identity.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Evidence is treated as threat rather than guidance.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: It's a great summary of our debate at the moment,
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: isn't it. It was written by the founder of Coalition
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: for Conservation, Christina Tolacco, and she joins me out live
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: from Vienna, Austria. Great to catch up with you again, Christina.
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: Facts should matter in this debate, and as you've seen
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: for many a year, facts seem to be, as you say,
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: treated as more as a threat rather than what should
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: guide us forward.
• 26:52
  Speaker 14: Yes, good evening, Chris, and it's good to be here again. Yes,
• 26:55
  Speaker 14: thanks for showing my last piece to the AFR. It
• 26:59
  Speaker 14: was written because the more I look at our energy
• 27:03
  Speaker 14: policies and how the path to net zero has become
• 27:07
  Speaker 14: an ideology more than you know, based on economics and engineering,
• 27:12
  Speaker 14: the more I feel like we have to try and
• 27:15
  Speaker 14: avoid the pathway that Germany took. I'm sitting here in
• 27:19
  Speaker 14: my room in Paris, and I'm very close to the
• 27:23
  Speaker 14: energy debate in Europe at the moment, and so I
• 27:27
  Speaker 14: feel like Australia is following a very similar pathway. And
• 27:31
  Speaker 14: where are this overconfidence in the government in these narratives
• 27:36
  Speaker 14: that are really not matching the reality of the energy
• 27:39
  Speaker 14: system right now.
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: So I didn't realize you're in Paris.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: You were in Vienna for a nuclear conference, and this
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: fits into it right because you're one of those people
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: is very committed to getting to net zero. But there
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: wouldn't be another country there right with the comparison is Germany,
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: where I fiddle the bit in this direction, but there's
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: no other country there who thinks they can actually get
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: to a renewables plus storage model. Most countries that are
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: going down that path are looking at a substantial nuclear
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: percentage to bolster the grid. Just tell us about from
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: that conference where Australia sits in comparison to the rest
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: of the world with our attitude to nuclear power.
• 28:21
  Speaker 14: Well, the World Nuclear Energy Conference, which is the largest
• 28:24
  Speaker 14: in the world, that was held this year in Paris.
• 28:27
  Speaker 14: It attracted thousands of people from industry, from governments, and
• 28:32
  Speaker 14: there wasn't really any Australians there as far as I
• 28:35
  Speaker 14: could see, and I was there for the full period
• 28:38
  Speaker 14: of the conference, and that was a shame because Australia
• 28:40
  Speaker 14: should at least participate and understand what other countries are
• 28:44
  Speaker 14: doing and the capabilities, including the supply chain, because we
• 28:48
  Speaker 14: have a lot of Uranian so we should be present
• 28:52
  Speaker 14: at the table. What's happening now is a really big
• 28:55
  Speaker 14: global momentum in Europe for a renaissance of nuclear not
• 29:00
  Speaker 14: because people necessarily like it, it's because there's a necessity
• 29:05
  Speaker 14: for it. In France, for example, they already have seventy
• 29:09
  Speaker 14: percent almost of nuclear generated power and they're still building
• 29:13
  Speaker 14: another six reactors with plans to really have eight more
• 29:17
  Speaker 14: in the future. Sweden. Sweden, which is a very green
• 29:22
  Speaker 14: country and they want to get to their net zero
• 29:25
  Speaker 14: they overturned there one hundred percent of renewable law and
• 29:28
  Speaker 14: now they're including explicitly nuclear. You look at countries in
• 29:32
  Speaker 14: the Eastern European side, like Poland and the Czech Republic
• 29:36
  Speaker 14: also approving their first nuclear programs. The UK launched the
• 29:40
  Speaker 14: twenty billion Great Britain Nuclear program in advancing small nuclear reactors,
• 29:46
  Speaker 14: you name it. In Europe, it's just happening very fast.
• 29:50
  Speaker 14: In the United States, it's similar because the legislation now
• 29:53
  Speaker 14: is pushing a wave of private investment in the nuclear side,
• 29:58
  Speaker 14: and the same in Asia even and that head Fukushima
• 30:01
  Speaker 14: is now restarting their reactors to secure the greed stability.
• 30:05
  Speaker 14: So everyone is realizing that baseload is important, and after
• 30:11
  Speaker 14: the war in Ukraine, they realize also that we can't
• 30:14
  Speaker 14: really rely on other countries for our own national security,
• 30:18
  Speaker 14: and nuclear is a good option. It's not the only
• 30:21
  Speaker 14: one available, but it is a good option because it's
• 30:24
  Speaker 14: a proven technology, it's one hundred percent and it secures energy.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Spot on.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Christina and Australia is the outlier in this global trend.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us live from Europe. I
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: appreciate it.
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Christina Talakai there from the Coalition for Conservation.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: We're going to get to a break on the other side.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: Australia worn to spend more on the fence worn by
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: our largest ally.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Shout out of fence. Minister Angus Taylor joins me.
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: Next, the United States has released its latest national security
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: strategy and there's good news and bad news in it
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: for Australia. Let's cross to Golden and catch up with
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: Shadow Defense Minister Angus Taylor.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Angus, thanks for joining us again.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: I would have thought the good news in this later
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: strategy from the US is that it remains firmly committed
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: to the East Asian and Pacific area our area. So
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: they're committed here to this part of the world and
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: maintaining stability here. But the bad news is they want
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: their allies, unsurprisingly to contribute more to this task, and
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: that means they want countries like Australia to spend more
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: on defense. Is that a reasonable demand from Washington.
• 31:39
  Speaker 15: Oh, it's absolutely a reasonable demand. I don't think it's
• 31:41
  Speaker 15: bad news. I think it's a reality, Chris, because we're
• 31:44
  Speaker 15: facing the most dangerous strategic circumstances since the Second World War.
• 31:49
  Speaker 15: The Chinese Communist Party militarizing at an unprecedented rate, engaging
• 31:55
  Speaker 15: in dangerous and provocative activity in the South China Sea
• 31:58
  Speaker 15: and elsewhere to us and our allies, and we need
• 32:03
  Speaker 15: strength if we're going to continue to see peace, and
• 32:06
  Speaker 15: that strength from Australia and our allies. We are underfunding defense.
• 32:11
  Speaker 15: We are at risk of having a paper defense force,
• 32:14
  Speaker 15: a paper ADF, according to asby a highly respected think
• 32:18
  Speaker 15: tank in this area. And the Americans are rightly echoing
• 32:22
  Speaker 15: the concern that we are not funding out offense force
• 32:26
  Speaker 15: as we need to, and we are seeing the consequences
• 32:28
  Speaker 15: of that now with under sustained, under maintained equipment, under
• 32:32
  Speaker 15: maintained warships, under maintained combat aircraft and this is a
• 32:37
  Speaker 15: real problem for US in these dangerous times.
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a commitment to AUCUS too from the US,
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: so there's good news there. But Penny Wong and Defense
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: Minister Richard Miles are only days away from having their
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: annual OSMIN talks with Pete Hezgeth and Hexeth and of
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: course to Marco Rubio. The US heavy hitters are Secretary
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: of State and Secretary of War as as they call it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: Under the Trump administration, will Penny Wong and Richard Marles
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: have to turn up with.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: Something on offer? Will they have to offer more at
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: that meeting next week?
• 33:13
  Speaker 15: Well, I think the Americans are going to expect it,
• 33:14
  Speaker 15: But I think the Australian people expect a defense force
• 33:18
  Speaker 15: which is strong and capable, and our warfighters most importantly
• 33:23
  Speaker 15: deserve better. Chris, I mean our warfighters are not getting
• 33:26
  Speaker 15: the support they need, They're not getting the equipment they need.
• 33:29
  Speaker 15: I mean, we're seeing dramatic changes in the way conflict
• 33:33
  Speaker 15: has unfolded around the world. We've seen that in the
• 33:35
  Speaker 15: Ukraine with drone warfare, which has just changed beyond anything
• 33:40
  Speaker 15: anyone expected.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: In Israel as well.
• 33:43
  Speaker 15: I got the chance to see that a few weeks ago,
• 33:46
  Speaker 15: and in the United States just a few weeks ago
• 33:48
  Speaker 15: as well. I was looking at the way new technology
• 33:51
  Speaker 15: has been used in defense. We have a long way
• 33:54
  Speaker 15: to go. Whether it's drones, whether it's missiles, whether it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 15: electronic warfare, cyber all of these areas deserve a need
• 34:02
  Speaker 15: serious investment. And if we don't have that, our warfighters
• 34:05
  Speaker 15: won't be able to do the job they need to do.
• 34:09
  Speaker 15: And that has got to be a top priority right now, just.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Quickly, before I let you go.
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: You've seen a few politicians full by the wayside, lose
• 34:16
  Speaker 3: their jobs at least temporarily because of travel entitlements in
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: the past, Romin Bishop famously, even Susan Lee back in
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: the day. Do you think that Labour's Anika Wells will
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: survive her latest scandal.
• 34:30
  Speaker 15: Well, I think what she did doesn't pass the pub test, Chris,
• 34:33
  Speaker 15: and I think Australians will agree on that. I mean,
• 34:37
  Speaker 15: paying for your family to go on a ski holiday.
• 34:39
  Speaker 15: That's not what family reunion money is for and budget
• 34:43
  Speaker 15: is for. It is for a very different purpose than that.
• 34:47
  Speaker 15: So whether or not it's according to the rules, it
• 34:50
  Speaker 15: certainly isn't according to the pub test, and I think
• 34:54
  Speaker 15: she needs to sound accountable for that.
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: Angus Taylor, Thanks, thanks so much for joining US Shadow
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: Defense Minister Angus t There let's head over season. The
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: immigration debate is dominating events in the UK again, where
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: the Telegraph is reporting that thousands of migrants have been
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: given visas despite failing an English language test. Let's catch
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: up again with europe correspondent and Sky News contributor so Fielsworth.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, so Forie.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: These issues just won't go away for the Starba Gaverment, will.
• 35:23
  Speaker 16: They Yeah, great to be with you, Chris. Look, they
• 35:27
  Speaker 16: absolutely won't. And this is just another fascical situation here
• 35:31
  Speaker 16: in the UK where people are losing trust in the
• 35:34
  Speaker 16: system of allowing people to migrate into the UK. And
• 35:39
  Speaker 16: there definitely has been widely spoken here in the UK, Chris,
• 35:44
  Speaker 16: where there's an integration problem. Obviously, speaking English is critical
• 35:48
  Speaker 16: to people assimilating into society here and the fact that
• 35:53
  Speaker 16: these tests are coming back with the wrong results opens
• 35:57
  Speaker 16: up a giant can of worms for the government yet
• 35:59
  Speaker 16: again with their failure to handle migration issues here correctly.
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: Now you're outside number ten there a bit early in
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the morning for the PM to be up at about.
• 36:11
  Speaker 16: Look, he might be having scrambled eggs on toast because
• 36:14
  Speaker 16: he's meeting with the Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelenski today, also
• 36:19
  Speaker 16: the French President and the German Chancellor. Chris to obviously
• 36:24
  Speaker 16: continue to discuss the issue of the war in Ukraine.
• 36:28
  Speaker 16: He's really led the way Sakia on with the Coalition
• 36:31
  Speaker 16: of the Willing, and today is another important meeting with
• 36:35
  Speaker 16: these world leaders. But we know there were those drone
• 36:38
  Speaker 16: and missile attacks in Ukraine by Russia over the last
• 36:42
  Speaker 16: few days, so it appears that this war is far
• 36:45
  Speaker 16: from over Chris.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: Indeed, we'll see what comes with those talks later tonight
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: our time. I wanted to get back to immigration though, because,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: as it happens in this country, the public broadcaster plays
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: a controversial role seemingly supporting illegal immigration. The ABC has
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: always been on that side of the agment in this country,
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: and the BBC's under fire in the UK. Here's a
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: little bit of what's been to wear on the BBC.
• 37:09
  Speaker 5: Have some men in the audience who came over on
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: small boats and our former asylum seekers.
• 37:16
  Speaker 6: I was a refugee and I pass money interview in
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: different countries.
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: I mean there's are real people that would be someone
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: like you.
• 37:26
  Speaker 10: If Nigel frag is our next Prime minister, and that's
• 37:29
  Speaker 10: obviously what we're working to deliver. If you're in this
• 37:31
  Speaker 10: country illegally, you will be deported back to the country
• 37:34
  Speaker 10: from which you came.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the BBC with some illegal immigrants in the audience,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: it's redolent of a Q and A stacker in the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: ABC here and it's an old attacker aimed at Nigel
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: Farage and Reform Sophie.
• 37:51
  Speaker 16: Does indeed, Chris, look just from that clip there, you
• 37:53
  Speaker 16: almost feel like you are watching ABC's Q and A.
• 37:57
  Speaker 16: But there's been a lot of outrage over this that
• 37:59
  Speaker 16: the illegal migrants were planted deliberately in the audience so
• 38:05
  Speaker 16: that the British public would sympathize with their case and
• 38:10
  Speaker 16: you know, argue that it is okay for illegal migrants
• 38:13
  Speaker 16: to be here in the UK. A very controversial move.
• 38:17
  Speaker 16: But look, Chris, the hits on Nigel Farage, the Reform
• 38:21
  Speaker 16: UK leader, they just keep on coming. They just they
• 38:24
  Speaker 16: will not stop trying to attack him. And this is
• 38:27
  Speaker 16: one of his policies. He's been very strong on that
• 38:30
  Speaker 16: if you're an illegal migrant, you came here over the channel,
• 38:33
  Speaker 16: through the channel illegally, you will be tossed out of
• 38:36
  Speaker 16: the country if he is the next Prime minister.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: And a very sad time for Megan Markle.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Her father is in the Philippines and in dire emergen
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: medical emergencies.
• 38:53
  Speaker 16: That's right, Chris Thomas Michael had his leg amputated last week,
• 38:57
  Speaker 16: and we know they've had a frosty fall out really
• 39:00
  Speaker 16: relationship between the two. They haven't spoken in many years.
• 39:03
  Speaker 16: The latest reports are that she's ringing around hospitals in
• 39:07
  Speaker 16: the Philippines trying to track down her father after it
• 39:11
  Speaker 16: was claimed that she emailed him in recent days. Given
• 39:14
  Speaker 16: this latest news that he is in a very serious
• 39:17
  Speaker 16: condition after losing his leg and he's facing a life battle.
• 39:22
  Speaker 16: But this fallout is incredibly sad and one really that
• 39:25
  Speaker 16: should have never come to this, Chris, very very sad situation.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, let's hope she gets to catch up with him
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: before she has to regret it. Thanks so much, Sophie,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: appreciate it, Sophie Ellsworth, there in the early morning darkness
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: outside number ten Downing Street, she goes to the right
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: locations for us all the time.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Great stuff. We're going to get to a break.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: On the other side, we've got Jematon Jini and Caroline
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: Drusa to join us about how China's even making a
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: out of our housing crisis.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Okay, let's sort it all out now with on UNI
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: from GT Communications on the desk. How are you going?
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: And of course Sky newsed contributor Caroline, you're also joining
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: us from Perth. Let's get into a few of these issues.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: I think this one about flat pack housing pre fab
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: cread housing is a classic, especially that they come from China, Gemma,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: because we stuff out our electricity grid, yet China benefits
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: because we buy all our renewable kit from China. Yeah yeah,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: we create our own housing crisis and China wins.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Again.
• 40:27
  Speaker 17: It's literally like they must be, you know, so you
• 40:31
  Speaker 17: only get one out and bond in your life.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: We only get one.
• 40:34
  Speaker 17: Australia, and you're like, we are creating all of these
• 40:37
  Speaker 17: problems that we can't solve. And of course if you
• 40:40
  Speaker 17: peel the layers back, it's like with stuff down manufacturing
• 40:43
  Speaker 17: industry and all of that sort of thing. I don't
• 40:45
  Speaker 17: know how long it takes to wine this sort of
• 40:47
  Speaker 17: stuff back, but I read that story and couldn't believe it,
• 40:51
  Speaker 17: but also kind of not surprised. And it's also the
• 40:53
  Speaker 17: most Melbourne thing in Melbourne today.
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: I think that's a pretty good take on it. Carow
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: you only get one Australia.
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: Yeah, I actually I don't think I can top that.
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: I think.
• 41:08
  Speaker 18: I think I think that's that's honestly like we have.
• 41:12
  Speaker 18: We have embarked on such an epic kind of journey
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: of self harm here in Australia. And and and China's
• 41:20
  Speaker 18: killed the pig on it, they absolutely have. And and
• 41:23
  Speaker 18: I've got a lot of questions around this. Well, first
• 41:26
  Speaker 18: of all, you know, talk about yay at least there's
• 41:29
  Speaker 18: a quick fix, but how well is this stuff made?
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: What is it made of?
• 41:33
  Speaker 18: Doesn't meant Australian standards? Is it getting checked properly at
• 41:35
  Speaker 18: the border, because.
• 41:37
  Speaker 16: You know, if the.
• 41:38
  Speaker 18: Wind turbines are coming in with asbestos, I'd really prefer that.
• 41:41
  Speaker 18: You know, how it was built in Melbourne, didn't have
• 41:43
  Speaker 18: any thing dodgy or flammable in them.
• 41:46
  Speaker 7: So.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Standard electricity hope Australia.
• 41:55
  Speaker 10: Of course they are.
• 41:56
  Speaker 18: This is exactly what they're doing. And we are the
• 42:00
  Speaker 18: that are going to pay for it because we can't
• 42:03
  Speaker 18: fix our own problems, and particularly in the short term.
• 42:06
  Speaker 18: So look as far as it being a short term
• 42:09
  Speaker 18: solution in an overarching kind of sense, you know, okay, fine,
• 42:15
  Speaker 18: but we need so much more detail here because you
• 42:19
  Speaker 18: think about the regulations and the rules that are placed
• 42:21
  Speaker 18: on Australian builders and the like. Well, I hope that
• 42:24
  Speaker 18: those same regulations and rules are in place here because
• 42:28
  Speaker 18: we shouldn't just be importing lower standards just because we
• 42:32
  Speaker 18: can't fix our.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Own mind you, it might fix the immigration crisis and
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: the house in crisis at once. Because if you can
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: bring in a flat pack house so everybody brings it,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: it comes in, bring your own house house.
• 42:43
  Speaker 17: I wonder if in a few years time, I wonder,
• 42:45
  Speaker 17: genuinely wonder if we'll be sitting here going class action.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, Now.
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: I want to get onto Anika Well's we all pay
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: too much tax, Government's waste too much of it.
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: A lot of it goes to good causes, helps our
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: fellow Australian. But I don't know whether many of.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: Us want to be paying extra tax so that her
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: husband didn't go to three AFL grand fathers or a
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: kids can joiner at the snow.
• 43:08
  Speaker 17: I feel like I'm channeling the past tonight because I'm
• 43:11
  Speaker 17: hearing Kerry Packer at a Center Estimate saying, if you
• 43:14
  Speaker 17: don't want to pay lower tax, you need your head read.
• 43:17
  Speaker 17: And I wouldn't mind paying tax if they actually spent
• 43:19
  Speaker 17: it well. And I think those words are ever green.
• 43:21
  Speaker 17: But on reflection, as I was preparing for tonight, I
• 43:25
  Speaker 17: was thinking about this story, and there's the obvious piece,
• 43:28
  Speaker 17: which is, just because you can doesn't mean she should.
• 43:32
  Speaker 17: Did the other side do it in their day? Of
• 43:34
  Speaker 17: course they did. What Anika Wells and Elbow are guilty
• 43:38
  Speaker 17: of is not learning lessons from the past. They are.
• 43:41
  Speaker 17: They deserve to be hammered to almighty, you know, smithereens
• 43:46
  Speaker 17: for this because they have had the opportunity to look
• 43:48
  Speaker 17: back and go, you know what, with a sober mind,
• 43:50
  Speaker 17: that's not right. We criticize them for doing it, and
• 43:53
  Speaker 17: now we are doing the same thing at a time
• 43:56
  Speaker 17: where families are doing it tough, at a time where
• 43:58
  Speaker 17: today the treasure is we're rolling back subsidies for energy
• 44:02
  Speaker 17: prices that have already gone up thirty seven percent. There
• 44:06
  Speaker 17: is a conger line of economic manure sandwiches coming the
• 44:10
  Speaker 17: way of the Australian people and by extension, the federal government,
• 44:14
  Speaker 17: the Treasurer and Anika Well's her smugness, her smirk, her snarky. Well,
• 44:19
  Speaker 17: I've answered that question in the press club the other day.
• 44:21
  Speaker 17: I'm sorry, Love, you're on my dime.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: You work for me.
• 44:24
  Speaker 17: You'll answer these questions. And I seriously hope she falls
• 44:27
  Speaker 17: over it.
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: Well she might, She might fall over this. I would
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: have thought it.
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: It's particularly bad for the government this week that they're
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: trying to trumpet their social media band for teenagers, some
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: world first perormatory, and that she's supposed to be out
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: there talking about it, and shit, you can't get out and.
• 44:42
  Speaker 17: What I reckon you'll know this because you've worked inside
• 44:44
  Speaker 17: the dark hearts of government.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: I reckon.
• 44:47
  Speaker 17: Every minister is hot to it. Got people out the
• 44:49
  Speaker 17: back going go through my receipt. Yeah, if I'm in
• 44:53
  Speaker 17: a newsroom still, and thank goodness I'm not. But if
• 44:55
  Speaker 17: I was in a newsroom still, I'd be like every
• 44:58
  Speaker 17: single one of them.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: Let's well, and the if the Liberal Opposition leader's office
• 45:01
  Speaker 3: is any good, they'll be going through all of it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: And Labour's enemies Attika Wild's enemies in Labor will be
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: going through it. The key point here, Caro, is these rules,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: we know they're pretty broad.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: They need to be, so they always say it's within
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: the rules. It is about judgment.
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: It is about whether you're using these things reasonably or
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: it looks like you're in for all you can get
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: and her list looks like she's in for all she
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: can get.
• 45:27
  Speaker 17: Snout in the trough.
• 45:28
  Speaker 18: Hey, and that's it, right, And particularly when you have
• 45:32
  Speaker 18: to listen to this from oh where the nice sighte
• 45:34
  Speaker 18: of politics that you're there to stick up for all
• 45:37
  Speaker 18: the poor people and we're so good and we're so
• 45:39
  Speaker 18: wonderful and we're all getting to heaven first, and then
• 45:42
  Speaker 18: you see this sort of carry on and you just go,
• 45:44
  Speaker 18: you know what, you are just shameless. You are absolutely shameless.
• 45:48
  Speaker 18: And you're right, Chris, that there are rules, and yes
• 45:51
  Speaker 18: the rules are broad, and that's fine. It is all
• 45:53
  Speaker 18: about judgment. But the problem is is a lot of
• 45:56
  Speaker 18: people in the political class don't have the judgment. And
• 45:58
  Speaker 18: I'll tell you why, because if you had ever paid
• 46:02
  Speaker 18: ninety four thousand dollars in tax, you know how much
• 46:05
  Speaker 18: work you have to do to essentially have the privilege
• 46:10
  Speaker 18: of paying ninety four thousand dollars in tax. My dad
• 46:12
  Speaker 18: always said, if you're paying tax, you're making money, right,
• 46:15
  Speaker 18: so you can't complain. But it's a lot of work,
• 46:19
  Speaker 18: and some people might do it over six months, some
• 46:21
  Speaker 18: might do it over twelve. But there's a lot of
• 46:22
  Speaker 18: people who are net taxpayers who would pay ninety four
• 46:26
  Speaker 18: thousand of tax over several years of working. And they
• 46:29
  Speaker 18: are sitting there watching this, watching them all, just going
• 46:33
  Speaker 18: you are taking the absolute piddle, all right.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Just time for a quick one at the end.
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen this, but Prince Harry apparently was mocking
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: Let's have a look.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't say we're obsessed with royalty.
• 46:46
  Speaker 12: Really, I heard you, I heard you elected a key.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: That's a fair pain. Oh well, I hadn't seen that.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: That does it for me.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Honestly, he's part of the monarchy and he's mocking democracy.
• 47:04
  Speaker 17: This is the bloke who wants doesn't want to work,
• 47:06
  Speaker 17: doesn't want to be a royal, but doesn't want to
• 47:08
  Speaker 17: give away the title and wants still to be on
• 47:10
  Speaker 17: the protective the payroll of the Monarchy's pretty I mean,
• 47:12
  Speaker 17: he's an absolute fraud of the bloke. I feel for
• 47:14
  Speaker 17: a minutes to go get a good therapist.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: He's a bit of a hypocrite.
• 47:16
  Speaker 18: Carrow, Yes, but this is just one example in a
• 47:22
  Speaker 18: long line of not hitting it flush. And again it
• 47:27
  Speaker 18: comes down to judgment. When you've had it all and
• 47:30
  Speaker 18: everyone's told your whole life how absolutely wonderful you are,
• 47:33
  Speaker 18: you go out and you say things and you don't
• 47:35
  Speaker 18: actually realize how tone.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Deaf you are.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: Tone deaf indeed, the one thing I'll give him. He
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: put his butt on the line serving his country in Afghanistan,
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: so I'll give him that much.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: But since then.
• 47:47
  Speaker 17: Can't hang his hant on.
• 47:48
  Speaker 7: OK.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us. Jemma and Carol will catch you,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: and now I won't catch you next week. We'll sort
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: that out later on. You'll see Carrow and Jemma next week.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: That's all the time I got for you tonight. Here's
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Peter Credlin. I'll see it alrightmhm