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- Daisy: Okay, so while I sorry you know how hot Nigeria is so I have to find myself. It's Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: And you lay a ni ando. Daisy: been really crazy here, like really really crazy running gen and all that. Anyway. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Hope you have one of these close to you. Daisy: It's not that bad. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: okay. Daisy: Hi wisdom. How are you today? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, hi Daisy. I'm doing great. I loved your your cover art. It's not like your cover art was the best design, but it was unique in an age where everything is AI genera generated. I saw it and I was like, Wow. it w it was what's the word now, the trailer? I don't wanna use the word authentic. So when Daisy: Ha ha. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: I saw it, I was like, what's going on here? I was like, let me see. I was like, Okay, that's message out. Daisy: Yeah, thank you very much. You know that that was not planned at all. I don't know. Do you want to hear a backstory? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Please I want to hear backstory. The major reason I do this podcast is to connect with people. Of course I want to record episodes and go v probably go viable. Yeah, that's like by product. Daisy: Yeah, okay. So, I went for this program with my friend. It was a Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Okay. Daisy: church program and the theme was retro. So they had like you know sometimes these churches they have like this setup you know for that whole thing so there was this yeah Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Old school, this kind of stuff. Daisy: so that setup was there and after the program my friends was like they were like let's go and take pictures and I was like okay I wasn't really sure I would take so I'll just I'm a photographer so I yeah so I took my friends some pictures and they're like just go ahead just stay I was like okay sure no problem and that's how we took those pictures and I had no idea I was going to use it for a podcast. I had no idea I was even going to start a podcast at that time. So Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: What happened? What was what was the origin story of you signed up podcast? Daisy: Man, I I realize I like talking sometimes. Like a lot of the time actually like a lot of things go through my head and and I'm like, okay, maybe we should just start a podcast. You know, I've been procrastinating a lot of stuff, so I was like, you know what? This let's just do it. Let's just spontaneous and do it. So I picked up my phone and I started recording a few episodes. I edited it, put it out that same day. And we were like girl, what is going on? Like it was really nice I enjoyed it Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: you find pod lunch. Daisy: it was a friend that recommended me to it so yeah Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Okay. Daisy: when he told me about it I was like Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: What's the name of this frame? Out of curiosity and just curious. Daisy: I don't know if I should share that out here. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: No, just the first name. 'Cause I know a lot of Nigerians. I'm just hoping that maybe this friend might be someone I know. Or you could tell me the first letter Daisy: Okay. Okay. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: if you're not confident with the full name. Daisy: G Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: G. No, no, no. I don't know. I don't know if yeah. Daisy: Okay. Well anyway, Sha when they asked for a profile picture or something and that felt like it was giving that vibe. So Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Daisy: I said, okay, let's use this and that was it. Now it looks like I planned it. Thank you. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, that's that's great. Congratulations on on starting the podcast. for me it's been the best decision I ever made so far. So I do hope it is for you. Daisy: Well, share your stor let's introduce ourselves actually. We've not introduced ourselves. okay, Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Okay. Daisy: go ahead. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: okay. I'm su I'm supposed to go first. Wow. Okay. my name Daisy: Yes, you're my guest today, so Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: is Wisdom Kungo and I'm a graduate of University of Benin I study electrical and electronics engineering. usually when people ask me what I do I like to joke that I talk to strangers online and And I just leave it there and get them thinking. And if you understand w what I means. I I'm talking to a stranger now. This is a stranger. I don't know anywhere. But Daisy: Really easy. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: yeah, we are having a conversation. So pretty much that's what I do. Yeah. So Daisy: Yeah. That's really cool. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: it's it's it's amazing to be yeah, to be talking to you. So I'm really looking forward to see where this conversation goes. Daisy: Thank you very much. I'm really excited to have you here. Welcome, welcome. I'm Daisy, a photographer, videographer, storyteller, content creator, creative director, all of the above. And today I'm a podcast host. yeah, I'm looking forward to our conversation. I know it's going to be very, very fun. Even though we have limited time, we'll try and Talk as much as we can. So yeah, I would very much like to hear your story about how you started. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: How did I start? Okay. I've always loved to talk to people. And not just that I love to talk to people. It's it's more that I would see someone and okay, let's step back a bit. I loved to read while I was young. I'd read every book I could lay my hands on. I was that guy who would go to the school library and start reading the book, realized the book was so interesting because the library was pretty standard and pretty big and would not want someone to come take that book and I won't get to complete the plot twist because we couldn't we couldn't borrow the book, but you know, you could come the next day to finish the story. So I would go and take the book to a different section where no one would expect to see the book. And then the next day once I'm done reading the book, I do return it to the section. So, humans seeing my classmates and friends, for me it was a living, walking story. And so I was like, wow, tell me about yourself. You know, that was like when I was in primary school. Later on in the future in 2020, I started a podcast. We are doing solo episodes, then we'll just talk and say, hi, guys, blah, blah, blah, on Ancore. And that was just it. Fast forward four or five years, after a lot of inconsistency, I was like, Okay, I guess I'm going to share my story. I guess I'm going to start on different podcasts this time. And I did some research, I saw PodMatch and I was like, Wow, this looks good. But then I saw that I had to pay like six dollars. I was like, hmm. I'm not really sure this looks good. Now, six dollars not a lot of money. Daisy: Okay. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: It's not like it's expensive, but I couldn't afford it. I was broke. So let's Daisy: Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: let's get that clear. So I was like, but then I saw that I could refund it. I was like, okay. I signed up and it was amazing. I'm really grateful that the guests who went on my podcast the first time, they took a chance on me because my setup was terrible, my podcast interview was terrible, my Everything was just it was scattered but the internet was was pretty terrible. I was doing audio only most of the time. But they showed up, had the conversations and didn't complain despite everything not working well. So when I look back and I'm like, Wow. Wow. That's that's how I started. Daisy: That's that's really, really nice and motivating. 'Cause it's it's very, very it's very demotivating, it is a word like that, when you're trying to like make stuff work and most times you don't have the funds to do it and you're just like, my god. Usually when you said you saw that's six dollars at that point you'd be like, my god, like seriously you have to have money to make money, you get it's just Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Daisy: really, really crazy thing. But that's really nice. I can tell that you've upgraded, look at the bank, the chair, the lights and everything Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: I did not say that. So But yeah. But yeah, it's it's been a it's been a lobby, right? You know, the first thing I I did when I started making scraps of money was invest back into the the setup. 'Cause for me I'm always thinking, what happens if I lose? How can I make it a win win? if I'm having if I'm doing a interviews on on pod match for example, what do I get to take? I mean, could expect the episode to go viral, I get a lot of views and, you know, maybe get paid ad cents. But what if that doesn't happen, what do I get to gain? And so I'm like, Okay, if I do the conversation where I would improve the way I talk, I would network with people, I would meet people. So either way I will always win. And the same thing with the pod match and I was like, okay, if I do get a setup, even though I do pod match or I don't do pod match, it will equip me to do greater things. Daisy: That's really nice. Congrats. Congratulations. I hope to be like you someday. I'm still starting. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Thank you. Yeah, when I when I saw you on video it was a breath of fresh air because just take it from me. Most most no no no most n Nigerians on the platform did No when I saw Daisy: Come on, Jesus. You just use you just use my videos and make yourself feel better right now. Like Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: you on on video like when you I was like like I I felt relieved because most Nigerians Daisy: Why? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: they do audio only and you can't even see them. You can't even put a face to Daisy: okay, I thought you're talking about this one. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: So the and I understand. No, not not your video. I meant Daisy: Okay, okay. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: most of them do audio only and I get where the audio only Daisy: Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: is coming from, Probably no network, probably they don't have, most there's so many reasons. So when I saw someone who was a Nigerian, that was the reason I even pitched in the place. Cause 'cause I was like, she's she's Daisy: I was willing to do a video. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: she's she's a little bit different, you know, with the description, everything. It wasn't It wasn't giving too much of AI ish stuff. It was more Daisy: AI. Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: like somebody put some it wasn't a question of if it was the best. It was there was some thoughts and some intention in this project. Daisy: Authenticity. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, so I was like, Okay. Yeah, let's do it. Daisy: Thank you very much. I don't really like using AI. I'm not going to say people should stop using AI in here, but I do use AI but very controlled. Especially for something like this. I feel like it's better to just be honest, just speak your truth. It doesn't have to be something really ambiguous. Just, you know, say how you feel and just put it out there. And a lot of creatives we don't really like using AI because I mean that's the whole point of being creative, you know, and pouring out your Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Daisy: hearts on something. So Yeah, can you tell me about your million story? I saw that on your profile. I mean it's my job. It's my job. I have to know who I'm interviewing. Yeah. I saw the YouTube channel Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Ooh, someone has been stalking me online. I see. Okay, yeah, my million story. Did you see the YouTube channel? Was it just a website? yeah. Daisy: as well. You have a lot of videos up. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: My million story, well, I am on a journey to become a millionaire in dollars, of course. And and I am documenting it publicly on the YouTube and the podcast and so pretty much that's what my million story is in concrete terms. Every that thing I would just say would just be some verbose words to probably you know make it sound big. But with my million story I document my own story and there are times where I feel like there's a deficiency in knowledge. I need to understand how to do things a little better on this area. find an expert in that area and I interview them as a guest and I learn from them. So I get free coaching advice if you could say that. And then I move on documenting my own story. And if there's also a gap to I find an expert in it. And so that's what I'm doing with my million story. And I'm just sharing documenting 'cause I wanna be able to look back five years from now, ten years from now and say, Wow, this is awesome 'cause the regret I have is not documenting earlier. I mean when I was, you know, young. I could have done that, but I had all the excuses of why I couldn't do that. And it wasn't a question of going via, it was more like something to look 'cause it feels so nostalgic when I see my videos from five years ago and wow. I listen to myself talk and Comrade, comrade, what is la Daisy: Ha ha Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: la la la la What are you saying? Comrade Daisy: How many years have you been here? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: How many years have I been here or like on pod match or like when you say yeah, what do you it's I st it's mm okay. From February to October is how many months? October is tenth. So this is this Daisy: No. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: is twenty twenty twenty one months. That's one year and nine months. Daisy: That's a long time. Well I'd love to ask more questions on that. But let me just go straight to the topic so people don't like watch and yeah, so yeah, we're talking about what happens when you stop trying to figure out life alone. Yeah, that's the topic. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Mm, yeah, yeah. Daisy: Yeah. So huh. How do I start this? I can say from my own experience that is like so real because from my older podcast I mentioned my move to Lagos, how crazy it was and Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, you moved to Lagos, from where? Daisy: from Benin. Yeah, I I did respond to you. On the text. if you check the text, when you said you're from Benin, that's what I I texted and I was like, I'm from Benin too that's where I grew up. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: if if I if I if I if I don't s say wow, if I don't ask, as the the the the listener is going to know, Yeah, wow, that's awesome. Daisy: Sure. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Wow. That's amazing. Sorry to interrupt. Daisy: Yeah. No problem, no problem. So it was a very crazy move and I knew I had some people that were going to support me at the same time. So Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Okay. Daisy: it's kind of like helped me to know that okay, I wasn't really alone. Even if there's some days that I'll just be down and be like, What am I actually doing with my life? You know, when everything Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Daisy: does not seem like it's going the way it should go. Yeah. But I had this I could never really stay there, you know, when you feel like be being depressed in that moment, but you cannot really Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Daisy: stay there because you know somebody will bring you out. of it you cannot stay there no matter how much you want to, you know, so it just kind of like made things easier for me, you know. made me want to take up more risks, you know. Well what would you say about that? What's your own perspective? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Mm. I I believe that the environment is very, very important, like super important. I didn't have the quote unquote environment. so I created mine, created a sort sort of a social environment by interviewing guests, talking to them on podcasts. 'Cause what happened was that instead of seeing all the people around me, I was I had twenty four hours in the day, so I was spending most of that time talking to people who you're doing well in life. always struggling, but they had this mindset of I could I could do more, I could show up. And so I was in an environment where everybody was like, I'm just gonna get the night of eye job, the number things. And which which is okay if that's what you want, awesome. Do what do what you like. But that wasn't what I want. So being in that environment, because I'm at a point where every story I I every conversation I have I tend to get to a point where I'm like, I I had this guest on my podcast. He gives texture to my conversation. Cause I'm about to do it now, because I had this guest on my podcast. He was blind. I you might have interviewed him, Maxwell Ivy, and he has his own podcast. Cause I was at that point in time I was just coming up of with reasons why I couldn't keep going. And I was like, this guy is completely blind, yet he has his own podcast and he does his own production and editing by himself. And I was like, wow. Wow. I was like, wow. What kind what what did you why did you say you're not gonna do podcast again? I was like, no, that's scrap that. Daisy: Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: so the environment is very important. And if you can't get, you know, your friends, your roommates, your you know, the people around you, use a podcast. Like, for example, This is something I did not do. I didn't use my podcast to make friends in Nigeria. I was like talk to people all all over the world. But if if if I wanted to make friends, in Nigeria, what I'll do is I would use a podcast. I'll meet someone like you and I was like, wow, I feel the energy. The energy is great. Let's continue the conversation after the interview. And without having to come to Lagos to come, what are the others Daisy: Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: like I to Lagos, I'll find you or something like that. Yeah. So Daisy: Mm-hmm. Very true. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: So I I can send in a sense I can I can have Nigerians who are also doing amazing things in my own circle. I could say, yeah, Daisy, what are you working on? I was yeah, this is this is what I'm working on. Awesome, wonderful. And it was like, wisdom, what's going on? I I heard you launched this, so awesome. so now we have our own environment, even though there's a different environment, we've created our own environment. So that's that's what I think in terms of podcasting, because there are love there'll be a lot of reasons not to show up, not to do the work because if you look left you see so many challenges in Nigeria. That's like, hm. I Daisy: Uh-huh. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: mean I if I don't d do this thing people will understand. And I I was having a conversation on the podcast yesterday and I was like, do you want sympathy or do you want results? pick one, sympathy. Daisy, you have terrible internet, there's no light in in Nigeria, you know. Well we understand, we understand, we understand, we understand. It's not easy. The fact that you won't start the podcast is easy. Daisy: Yeah, and they would understand. Yeah. But you just remain in that spot. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Before the fact you start the podcast, you try, you try, you try. Well let take this this participation trophy. Yeah, but but you Daisy: You're getting Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: want results. And and when I look at it, the the worse the conditions are, the more epic the story. To say, when I started, one of one of my stories I share when when people say they don't they don't have reasons for the things I had, I like, my internet was really bad, there was no light. Could you believe 'cause I'm close to University of Benin here. I I would go to night class, I'm no I'm no longer a student for context. I'll go to night class to record an interview audio. So I actually did that. So in my own sense I'm like, it's either it's a good result or a good story. Either way we win. Daisy: Man, it's crazy. It's really crazy. I feel like we should probably change the topic of this of this podcast to living in Nigeria. It's really crazy. But Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It is, it is. Yeah, they understand with you, they get you. Daisy: But that's just it, Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: But Daisy: it's just talk and then the next day, the next day you're still in the same spot giving yourself that excuse, this is why this is battle. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, people move on. People move on. Especially when when you work with people like in in the world that actually needs to get things done, you then realise that people don't need excuses. if I if you if I quote unquote you're working with an international client and okay we we need this and there's no light, you did the first time, second time there's no light. After some time I think we'll need to find someone who's who's dependable and can work under pressure. Daisy: Yes, exactly. And then that's when you realize I should probably get a solo or something else. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Except of course it's a government job, then you don't have the No no no Well in Nigeria if you get a government job, it's understandable there was no l lights it was the government itself that, that didn't provide so so Daisy: Yeah, that was always the excuse. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: so it's easy. Daisy: Okay, that's true. I don't know, can I ask you questions about Pod Match? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Please, please do, please do. Daisy: okay. So the fact that you've stayed here for or rather you've been here for like a year and did you say six months? Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Going on two years. Yeah, nine months, yeah. Daisy: Yeah and nine months. Yeah. So how what's your review? What can you say about Podmatch? Like were all your experiences Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: How much is great. Daisy: with the bad like so far? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Podmatch is great. Is the video on? Podmatch is amazing. I'm just kidding. Daisy: Yeah Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: I'm like, I'm like, that guy was like, we're we're on camera. Okay. Podmatch is amazing. And then it's like, we're no longer recording. Portmatch is is amazing. But Podmatch for me was like a manor in the wilderness. And the reason I say this was that I was kind of like in a financial, you know, place. My financial place, I was broke. Let me not start using big words. Daisy: Well very good. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Okay, so I was doing pod match and I I realized that okay, I love to talk, I love to interview people, and I could get paid. It wasn't like substantial money, but it was it was something to keep body and soul going to I found something better. But guess what I did? Instead of saying okay, we we're on the journey to go to the promised land, and the mana is to help us survive while we're on this journey, I was like, What are we going to do in the promised land? There's mana here, let's just eat. No need to go to Daisy: See here. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: promised land. It gets and so It got to a point where I was like, no. what match is great. Because it's like networking, meeting these amazing people, you you're networking and you hope. Because now I've come to notice that hope is not a strategy. You hope that the in this conversation, this networking is going to turn into something, and you're not proactive about it. If you see a I'm gonna say this from the perspective of a guy now. If you see a girl that you like that you would to say, I see her being my wife someday, you don't just hope that something's gonna happen. You you will talk, Daisy: Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: You ask her out. Now she might reject you, but at least you get to move on to someone else. And then you ask her out and she's like, Okay, we see we're late. but you don't just sit down and hope. For me I was like, Okay, if we talk long enough, something's going to happen, in terms of a business. And that was the mistake I made. So I started pitching. I started pitching. I would after the conversation where it made sense, I'll pitch to some of the clients. And that was how I got my first clients for my podcast production agency. So yeah Daisy: Congrats. That's super super Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Thank you. Daisy: nice. I hope I'm like you one day like I said earlier. Can't wait to you know be like Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: where you were reading the intro the bio just now. I I was like, creative director, photographer. I was like, What Daisy: Ha Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: are you not? I think that list is shorter. Yeah. Daisy: why Nigeria why Nigeria you have to like have multiple sources of income. And apart from that, Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Mm. Daisy: there was this There was this programme I went for, yeah, and one one one of the speakers, she mentioned something about we as humans, we have we can express ourselves through different mediums. Yeah, I don't Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Daisy: think one individual is only meant to express themselves through only one medium. So mostly Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Daisy: you can see a dancer also being a poet, also being a singer, you know, 'cause most times we I mean that's the beauty of being human, that's the way God created us, you know. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah. Daisy: were very colorful. So yeah. So I like to express myself in different ways. So this is one of those ways. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: I just I feel like labour is limit us. that's why we usually when people ask me what I do, that question just throws me out of out of balance because I'm like, I do many things, what do I tell you that I do? You know. 'Cause then if I tell you something you you then try to put me in that box and I'm like Daisy: In our box, yes. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: I do so many things. I tend to see myself as a generalist, I do podcasting, but when it comes to design, I can actually design. I sometimes I see designs that quote unquote designers design and I'm like, How come you design this stuff? Like the typography is not even aligned, like the the phone space and all that and Daisy: Mm. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: and and they're like, so you you I was like, Yeah, I have many powers I have not touched. Daisy: Yeah, so that's the whole idea of it. That's very cool. so what's a message? Okay, say for instance you see someone that is still trying to figure out life, someone that is where you were five years ago, how would you how would you advise that person? What's the message to your younger self, quote unquote? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Mm, a a message to my younger self. Daisy: Or someone that you see still trying to figure out what would you say to be present should? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: okay. I'll tell them to start. I'll tell them to to have receipts and you can only get receipts when you when you buy. And in order to buy, by buying I mean you do stuff, document it. You know. the the mistake I made when I w five years ago was I I had I picked up, I adopted the purpose of the people who quote unquote had made it. For me at that point in time, I just needed to document, work on things, try to couple of things, experiment. That would that would have been my purpose. But for me I was like, okay, how do I succeed? How do I make millions? Which there's nothing wrong with that. But what happened was that because I had that goal, it was so much of it that I couldn't I couldn't I wasn't even making enough progress. So I I got discouraged. So that would what would be what I would advise them. If right now if I see someone who's like, I need to do something online. I need to create. I need to like I'm trying to reach the world and all that, I'll tell them and I'll ask them, are you in the game? You know, the reason I bring this is that there's a there's a statement I see young people using all the time. And I don't know if you've heard it, building capacity. Daisy: Yeah, I've heard it's Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: building capacity. Sometimes I I I feel like holding the person and shaking them and say, come out to reality. Because that does that doesn't mean anything. Because what what does building capacity mean? It means waiting. Does it mean reading more, learning more. And instead I'll I'd I'll tell them that are you in the game? So when by are you in the game is I'm in podcasting game and for someone who is not in the game, I would say do everything that you can. Sacrifice it won't be forever. But do something so that you will be in the game, so that over the years you the things you're doing will compound. Because if you're working for example in nine to five, you might not really you're not really in the game 'cause you're just working to get paid. But if you start building your own thing, doing something in the next two, three years, every day it's growing, it's compounding. So you're in the game. So a lot of people expect a resort the of a nice success to happen when they are not even in the game. So try to be in the game and if it's not easy to be in the game, try to see if you can compress five years of sacrifice into maybe si three to six months. It will feel like you want to die, but you won't die, Yaku. Daisy: Yeah. Okay. Thank you very, very much. I think our time is up. And but this has been really, really interesting. I wish I could go on and on and on about so many things. Well Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Why not? Daisy: Okay, so you reached out to me, yeah. Is there anything you want to talk about? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, I did. Mm, is there anything I wanna talk about? That's an open check. Are you sure you wanna you you you you wanna give me an open check? Daisy: let's restrict it to things that we can put out there. Very good. Okay. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, I'm just I'm just kidding. Yeah. I I think I think one of the things that's that I've been thinking about recently, with what I've I've been seeing with Nigerians, fellow Africans is to stop waiting for permission to to start building and start creating. And I get a lot of people say, I've not gotten a job, nobody has given me a job and all that and I'm like you don't have you don't have to for most of the quote unquote, most of the most of the things you need to do, you don't need a job to to do it itself, like being a creative director. I don't know what that Daisy: Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: that entails, but you could come up with your own project and creative direct it. You wanna be a movie movie director who says you need to get accepted by the big studios. that would be lovely, but don't wait for their permission. get a bunch of your friends together and and say, this movie we must make it and direct the movie and put it on YouTube. You get it's amazing when someone is talking to you or they are stalking your line like you did, like Daisy did, and they look back and they're like, wow she has she has Daisy: Nice one. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: made a couple of movies. Wow. She's she's been, she's she's been doing this for a while, versus 'cause in this age and economy, everybody's just talking. You know, there's a lot of talk, talk, talk, and a lot of scammers. And everybody's like, believe in me, Daisy: Yeah. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: trust in me. And like, no, trust needs proof. You get people want to see what you can do and just start building. Permit yourself, to to build. I am yeah I'm a perfect example of that I'm yeah guessing of podcasts. In my head I could say well I've not really made millions. Why would I want to go on podcast and talk and and chat but I'm like I'm going to share the little thing because one if I've learned anything from interviewing a lot of guests is that they tend to take their circumstances and everything and make every drop of juice out of it. They write a book out of it. I probably I probably should write a book. I don't know, what what would I call it? But you've noticed, you know, some some tragic things that would happen to them that, you know, they would instead bottle it up and be suffering. They'll go on podcast and talk about it. You know, I had a guest who he lost his son and he went to podcast and started talking about grief, you know, which is commendable because he gets to share a story and a lot of people who relate with the story would get permission to shine their light, despite going such a tragic going through such tragic circumstance. Yeah, so I'm sharing my story. In the future when I make millions of dollars or in the future when I have done crazy things, I will also share the story. But right now I am here and I'm going to share what I have and I'm going to do what I can with what I have, where I am, rather than trying to live in the future. So that's the advice I have. East today. Hello? Da da da da da da da da da. Daisy: My wifi is disconnected from the laptop. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: I und I completely understand. Yeah. Yeah. Daisy: Hahaha Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Wow. Okay. Daisy: Man. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: I know that Riverside recorded everything I said, so great. Yeah. Daisy: Okay, that's good. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Bella? Daisy: Okay, what are you doing with what you were saying? Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I just kept on going 'cause, Riverside records records it. Daisy: Okay, okay, okay, Man, that was so annoying. I lost my train of thoughts for a second and I had some questions I wanted to ask. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Mmm, train of thoughts. Man, we didn't think in terms of trains. We are bicycle of thoughts we use. Daisy: talking about creativity, talking about... Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, you were saying I should advise people that are, still waiting and trying to figure things out, which I did. Daisy: Yeah. And you're saying they should start here. Yeah, that's what Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Daisy: I'm doing. I'm trying to, I've been trying to push myself out there like this year. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: Okay, okay. Daisy: I went for NYC camp recently and before then I, was when, yeah, that was when, Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: wow. You you're serving currently. Daisy: yes, I'm currently seven. Wisdom Okonkwo | Podnovation: is this the thing we're talking, are we recording 'cause I'm gonna ask you some questions. I don't I if you're comfortable recording it, of course you be the one to post it and you still edit what you want to edit. Are we done recording because before I start asking 'cause I don't want to take over the interview when we're not done. Daisy: Sure, sure, Okay. Let me stop.