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EPSTEIN BOMBSHELL: Shadowy Figure "Dressed as Inmate "Spotted Climbing Stairs to Epstein Cell" · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace an Epstein bombshell. A shadowy
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Speaker 1: figure dressed as an inmate. It spotted climbing the stairs
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Speaker 1: to Epstein's cell. What and we're just getting eleven new
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Speaker 1: hours of video? Where's that video been all this time?
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Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: They've admitted there's thousands of thousands of pages.
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Speaker 1: Who came to his place, who flew on his plane,
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Speaker 1: who went on the Lolita Express, who went to his
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Speaker 1: private island where girls who are molested? Something stinks. I
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Speaker 1: want justice. It's been described as a mystery orange blob,
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Speaker 1: but that is not entirely true. Let's take a look
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Speaker 1: at a clip we got from the video that has
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Speaker 1: just been released. You have to look in the original copy.
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Speaker 1: It's a lot easier to but it is an elongated
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Speaker 1: orange figure. It's not as they're trying to tell us
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Speaker 1: somebody carrying laundry that had that. That's much better. That's
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Speaker 1: much better. These are steps going up to Epstein's tier. Okay,
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Speaker 1: we've been told the guards were asleep and one was
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Speaker 1: shopping online when he was killed. We've been told the
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Speaker 1: two doors we've seen over and over and over the
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Speaker 1: only way to get onto his cell tier. That is
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Speaker 1: a lie. See those two doors, total bs. Those are
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Speaker 1: not the only two ways to get in and out
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Speaker 1: of that tier. Now, we also were told that there's
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Speaker 1: a problem with the CCTV that you can't see Epstein sell. Well, okay,
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Speaker 1: everything we're being fed is poison. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 3: The public was already skeptical of the DJ's The footage
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Speaker 3: from the shoe where Jeffrey Epstein was housed clearly shows
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Speaker 3: Epstein is the only person who entered his sub block
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Speaker 3: the night of his death. A mysterious orange blob climbing
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Speaker 3: the steps to L Block has eviscerated all trust. In
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Speaker 3: their review, the Inspector General says the movement on the
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Speaker 3: staircase around ten forty pm is co Jovian Noel carrying
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Speaker 3: inmate Lennon's up to the L block, but video analysis
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Speaker 3: experts say it's more likely the figure was wearing orange,
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Speaker 3: not carrying orange material.
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Speaker 1: Joining us an all star panel to make sense of
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Speaker 1: what we are learning tonight. But I can tell you
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Speaker 1: this having been in innumerable CI's correctional institutes jails halfway houses, GV, jails,
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Speaker 1: you name it. I've been in it, Max Hardcore death Row,
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Speaker 1: been there. No body walks the halls and CI with
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Speaker 1: their hands full of law laundry. That doesn't happen. Your
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Speaker 1: hands have to be free. If someone were transporting laundry,
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Speaker 1: it would have been in a rollerbin. As a matter
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Speaker 1: of fact, we're going to show you in a moment
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Speaker 1: a worker coming out with a rollerbin. But see down there,
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Speaker 1: hands free? Everybody hands free. And first of all, before
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Speaker 1: I go to our investigative report, I want to go
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Speaker 1: to doctor Dwayne Hendrix, former Associate warden at MBC and Brooklyn,
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Speaker 1: former Senior warden USDJ Department of Justice with the Federal
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Speaker 1: Bureau of Prisons. It goes on and on, founder President
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Speaker 1: New Daylight Foundation and author up see the wheelie, That's
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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. She has her hands free, and
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Speaker 1: everything she wants to carry, she's got it on a
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Speaker 1: workman's apron around her waist. That's sp author of who
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Speaker 1: are you see it? Say it sees it? Doctor Hendrix.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that in a CI, especially one that
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Speaker 1: houses dangerous inmates like this one, nobody is walking around
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Speaker 1: with an armload of laundry. That does here's another guy say,
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Speaker 1: hands free, what about it? Hendricks, Yes, that is true.
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Speaker 4: All laundry is carried on a cart and if they're
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Speaker 4: inmate workers or there's normally orderly on each unit, even
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Speaker 4: if it's special housing. Typically it's an inmate who isn't
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Speaker 4: violent or doesn't have any serious history going on. So
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Speaker 4: typically they will have laundry on the car and the inmate,
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Speaker 4: the staff will open the slots and the inmate will
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Speaker 4: take whatever laundry from the inmate and then they exchange.
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Speaker 4: So there's so it has to be exchange for dirty
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Speaker 4: linen to clean linen, and that's standing operating procedure. Typically,
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Speaker 4: laundry exchanges are normally happened during business hours. Sometimes they
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Speaker 4: may happen during the evening, but after the nine o'clock count,
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Speaker 4: inmates a lockdown and there's really no reason for them
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Speaker 4: to be out of their cell after that nine o'clock
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Speaker 4: stand account.
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Speaker 1: Well, you're gonna flip when I tell you this, doctor Hendrix.
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Speaker 1: According to the wardens on the floor, of course, one
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Speaker 1: went to sleep, one was online shopping or some bs
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Speaker 1: like that. They allowed Epstein to go into the bathroom
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Speaker 1: showers to make a private phone call, and I guarantee
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Speaker 1: you there ain't a payphone in the showers. Totally totally
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Speaker 1: violating the rules of the CI letting an inmate go
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Speaker 1: unsupervised into the bathrooms to make a phone call.
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Speaker 5: No, first of all, he should have had a restroom, toilet,
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Speaker 5: and a sink in his cell. He did so typically,
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Speaker 5: so when typically when inmates make phone calls, they'll will
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Speaker 5: a phone with a long court to the cell. They'll
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Speaker 5: open the slot and the inmate will make the phone
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Speaker 5: call at the cell. So unless they took they took
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Speaker 5: an actually to someone's office to make an unmonitored call,
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Speaker 5: I don't see why that that phone call would have.
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Speaker 4: Happened, because typically it makes a special housing other than
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Speaker 4: their attorneys. You only get one call every thirty.
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Speaker 1: Days joining us an all star panel, and we've got
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Speaker 1: a lot to get through tonight. Number one his HNCH person,
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Speaker 1: who is a convicted child molester. She just didn't arrange
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Speaker 1: Epstein to get his mits on these twelve thirteen year
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Speaker 1: old little girls. She took part in the molestation. She's
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Speaker 1: a monster. Gleae Maxwell. She just got moved to a
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Speaker 1: cushriy basically camp, a camp there are no perimeters, they
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Speaker 1: have yoga, they walk freely. It's the cushiest club fed.
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Speaker 1: This is what you look up club fed in the dictionary.
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Speaker 1: It's this place. She's been moved there. Why is she
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Speaker 1: getting special treatment? What's happening with her? I don't like it,
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Speaker 1: That's one thing, But right now I'm more concerned about
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Speaker 1: who is the per walking up and down the cell
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Speaker 1: steps to Epstein's tier the night he was killed. It
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Speaker 1: was at I said earlier, almost eleven. It was ten
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Speaker 1: thirty nine pm. And you're so right Handricks, that is
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Speaker 1: not the time that laundry is exchanged or taken to
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Speaker 1: the prison laundry. Okay, what do we know? Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Tisa Tails joining US investigative reporter. She's at Tisa
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Speaker 1: Talls on YouTube. Tisa hit me the.
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Speaker 6: Fact that we are looking one a highly edited tape.
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Speaker 6: They released eleven hours. They said there was a minute
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Speaker 6: the skip. We now know that there's about eight minutes
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Speaker 6: missing from that tape.
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Speaker 1: There's not even the full It's ten hours, fifty two minutes.
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Speaker 6: We clearly see a shadowy orange figure and they won
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Speaker 6: us out in a did in a pulse didy trial
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Speaker 6: world to believe that it's some Tom and Jerry stack
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Speaker 6: of orange jumpsuits up to the ceiling that they're carrying
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Speaker 6: through the through the correctional facility, and they want.
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Speaker 1: Us to believe that that's not a human.
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Speaker 6: The fact that the administration listen, who knows why they
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Speaker 6: are telling us not to believe, are lying eyes.
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Speaker 1: But we see it for what it is. That is
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Speaker 1: a human being walking in to a self. Let's see
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Speaker 1: it again. She's right, T said my words exactly should
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Speaker 1: I believe you are my lion eyes? I see what
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Speaker 1: I see? Okay? Joining us is Epstein's brother, who also
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Speaker 1: agrees this is not anybody carrying laundry. But I want
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Speaker 1: to go back to what we know about Epstein's death?
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Speaker 1: What do we know? Joining me? Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, Author, Blood Beneath My Feet, start of
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Speaker 1: a hit podcast, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott has attended over one thousand death sayings, death stains
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Speaker 1: of all varieties, be it accidental, natural cause, or homicide.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott does it never end? Okay? I see what
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Speaker 1: I'm seeing. I'm running it right here in front of me,
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Speaker 1: the person clad in orange. Is it an inmate in orange?
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Speaker 1: Why isn't he already in his cell? Why is he
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Speaker 1: walking free? Was he sent to this tier? If so,
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Speaker 1: by whom, Why is he wandering around from tier to
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Speaker 1: tier in other words, floor to floor? Okay? Or is
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Speaker 1: this someone wearing inmate's clothes, which is even more disturbing.
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Speaker 1: But I do know it is a human. I believe
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Speaker 1: it is a male because they're tall, and they're wearing
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Speaker 1: the prison orange jumpsuit, and they're going to Jeffrey Epstein's
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Speaker 1: tier the night he's murdered. Why are you, like me,
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Speaker 1: so convinced Epstein was murdered And what does this mystery
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Speaker 1: orange clad person have to do? How does that factor
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Speaker 1: into your thesis?
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Speaker 7: Well, you know, first off, I think it would be
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Speaker 7: an outlier relative to the injuries related to his death.
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Speaker 7: They're trying to call this a suicide, and the problem
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Speaker 7: is is that what has been left behind, which has
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Speaker 7: been well documented by doctor Boden, is the fact that
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Speaker 7: you've got this indwelling fractured cartilage in his neck. And
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Speaker 7: it's on both sides, Nancy, right here to the left
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Speaker 7: and the right of the Adams apple. And then on
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Speaker 7: top of that, you've got this fractured hyoid, which everybody
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Speaker 7: has gone on and on about. The problem is is
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Speaker 7: that they are saying that.
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Speaker 8: He was hung.
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Speaker 7: And one more thing we have to keep in mind.
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Speaker 7: Theme in this case has stated that this is what's
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Speaker 7: referred to as a soft hanging, which means he kind
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Speaker 7: of settled down into this thing. There was not a
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Speaker 7: lot of force with it. That's what she's opining, and
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Speaker 7: that the highwaid snap. Now she explains this by saying
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Speaker 7: that because of his a the hyoid was ossified to
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Speaker 7: the point where it's snap. Well maybe that's the case,
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Speaker 7: but you still cannot account for these cartilagianus fractures he
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Speaker 7: has inferior or below that region. That's why so many
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Speaker 7: of us are drawing this. You know, this blank stare
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Speaker 7: you get from us relative to you're trying to sell
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Speaker 7: us this.
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Speaker 1: This is more.
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Speaker 7: Consistent with a manual strangulation or or with a ligature
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Speaker 7: where direct pressure is being.
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Speaker 1: I was just about to disagree with you because this
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Speaker 1: is clearly ligature. I mean, when you look at the pictures,
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Speaker 1: this is not manual. Joe Scott, Now I see in
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Speaker 1: the back what you're talking about. I see in the
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Speaker 1: back it looks like it could be maybe a thumbprint
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Speaker 1: digging in. No, I think that's the ligature from behind.
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Speaker 1: But the front shot that is not by hand, right.
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Speaker 7: Can you keep this up here for just a quick set, Nancy,
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Speaker 7: So you see this, it's very very very deep. Do
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Speaker 7: you see how dark it almost looks like it looks
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Speaker 7: like I think people would say, gee, that looks like
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Speaker 7: a scap. Well, that is actually a furrow abrasion. That's
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Speaker 7: what it's referred to. And it's very very deep. This
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Speaker 7: does not marry up with all of that dirty cloth
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Speaker 7: that they've got laying around on the floor inside of
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Speaker 7: his cell, that squalid area where he was living. And also,
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Speaker 7: if you could please go back to the other image
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Speaker 7: of his throat, you will see a mark that is
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Speaker 7: slightly above that furrow, and just to the left side
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Speaker 7: there's kind of that abraided area. It looks kind of
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Speaker 7: linear right there, it's superior to the furrows. That's kind
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Speaker 7: of that's what would be termed as like a readjustment mark,
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Speaker 7: where this thing is being manipulated in some way. So
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Speaker 7: do we have a couple of things going on here?
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Speaker 7: Is it plausible that you could not only have a
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Speaker 7: ligature at work here, but then you have somebody applying
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Speaker 7: direct manual pressure with their hand in adjacent and adjacent
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Speaker 7: to this or as a part of this, to bring
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Speaker 7: about his death. I think that that's very interesting. I'll
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Speaker 7: shut up after this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that was a lot of words. And the only
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Speaker 1: reason I'm interrupting with jobs. Everybody crazy is driving me
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Speaker 1: crazy is because that was so much of a download.
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying any of us wrong. I do say
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Speaker 1: this was not a manual. I mean, I'm not a
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Speaker 1: death investigator like you, but I can look at that
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Speaker 1: and tell you that was a ligature strangulation. I don't
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Speaker 1: need to be an expert to note that was not manual.
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Speaker 1: But everything else I completely agree. But you have to
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Speaker 1: you know, when you feed a baby, that's not a
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Speaker 1: death investigator, you give it one spoon at a time.
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Speaker 1: That's not what you just did. Just give me your
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Speaker 1: most sailing and important point and maybe I can digest
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Speaker 1: that hit me.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, you've got multiple things going on here, Nancy,
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Speaker 7: and we still have to be able to explain the
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Speaker 7: fractured hyoid that is actually above or superior to that furrow. Okay,
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Speaker 7: that's why I'm saying that there could be a couple
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Speaker 7: of things going on here to kind of finish someone off.
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Speaker 7: That's what you know, kind of let.
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Speaker 1: Me digest that. Okay, See, this is what happens when
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Speaker 1: I would go to the medical Examiner's office. Everything they
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Speaker 1: would say to stop. Okay, let me make a note
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Speaker 1: of that in regular English. Let me see, Joe Scott, please,
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Speaker 1: you're saying that the ligature marks, which is so bad
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Speaker 1: we may not be able to show the public. They
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Speaker 1: go straight across and they're really deep, and one part
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Speaker 1: looks scabby. Yeah, yeah, very Obviously it's like a scab,
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Speaker 1: but it's not. It looks like deep bruising heat. Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Just explain it now. You just said you've got the
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Speaker 1: mark across the neck and the broken hyoid. You said
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Speaker 1: it's superior, But I think that means above that. Is
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Speaker 1: that what that means?
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Speaker 8: Yeah?
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Speaker 7: Up here?
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Speaker 1: Okay, So that would indicate manual there at the hyoid.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying?
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Speaker 7: Yes, carmative, Right.
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Speaker 1: I got it, I got it. Okay, go ahead, one
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Speaker 1: more thing.
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Speaker 7: When you look at that furrow, Nancy, the furrow runs
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Speaker 7: parallel to his shoulders. It doesn't go up. If you're
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Speaker 7: talking about a hanging, you have to get this. It's
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Speaker 7: called we use the term tinting feature te n T
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Speaker 7: I n G. Where the sink comes up to an
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Speaker 7: apex like this in the back of the head. Anybody
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Speaker 7: that's ever seen this, I.
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Speaker 1: Call it a smiling.
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Speaker 7: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It goes from ear down to ear like a big sile,
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Speaker 1: which is ironic because it's you know, that would be
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Speaker 1: a suicide if you had the smiling right there. But
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Speaker 1: when it's straight across, that indicates somebody from behind yanking
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Speaker 1: back straight across. I mean, it's so clear. I mean,
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Speaker 1: did they think we just fell off the turnip truck?
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Speaker 1: This is not going away, and I don't like it
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Speaker 1: when it dies down in the headlines. No, it's not
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Speaker 1: going away. And to try to feed us this line
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Speaker 1: of b as than eleven new hours have just been released. Okay,
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Speaker 1: to the point of tonight, Joe Scott, how does this figure?
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Speaker 1: It's been referred to as a blog, but it's clearly
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Speaker 1: a person a mail in a prison orange going up
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Speaker 1: the tier steps to Epstein's floor. Why are they there?
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Speaker 1: They're not supposed to be there. This tells me, there's
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Speaker 1: more accessible, there are more entries and excess to this tier.
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Speaker 1: How does that factor into your scenario? And this went
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Speaker 1: down at ten thirty nine PM, that's the time of
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Speaker 1: the video.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, so I think that it would be really important
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Speaker 7: to try to understand what the status of his body
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Speaker 7: was when he was found, body temperature, these sorts of
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Speaker 7: things to try to understand Tom since death. Here's one
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Speaker 7: more piece of this, a bit of video that I
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Speaker 7: would like to see. That's fascinating seeing that figure going
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Speaker 7: up the stairs. I want to see if there's any
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Speaker 7: video showing somebody a descending hours later, minutes later, whatever
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Speaker 7: the case might be. And how do you explain that image?
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Speaker 7: How do you explain that person that is retreating from
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Speaker 7: this location. That's going to be the real tail of
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Speaker 7: the tape there.
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Speaker 1: Scott, listen to this.
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Speaker 9: The footage released from the MCC offers a limited view
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Speaker 9: of the shoe common area and just a sliver of
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Speaker 9: the staircase to Jeffrey Epstein's cell block off camera. To
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Speaker 9: the right of the staircase is another entrance into the shoe.
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Speaker 9: According to correctional officers on duty, that entrance is locked
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Speaker 9: and blocked by a second locked door. One of those
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Speaker 9: doors is controlled remotely, while the other requires a key
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Speaker 9: kept on the CEO's persons. However, multiple people are seen
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Speaker 9: entering and exiting, Whiletova Noel and Michael Thomas are nowhere
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Speaker 9: near the door or not in the unit at all.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, We're going to get rid
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Speaker 1: of the deep state. We're going to show you all
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Speaker 1: of the files. There's war over the Epstein files, and
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Speaker 1: if there's nothing in them, why not release them. We've
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Speaker 1: been told over and over and over that what's in
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Speaker 1: those files is shocking. Bill Gates, Prince Andrew Weirdo, Clinton Obama.
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Speaker 1: I've got another wrench throw in the works tonight. At
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Speaker 1: the height the height of his wealth, Epstein was worth
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Speaker 1: about six hundred million dollars. But now we have pieced
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Speaker 1: together the facts that he was transferring billions as an be,
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Speaker 1: as a brother, billions of dollars to multiple banks, including
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Speaker 1: flagged Russian banks. So they want me to believe a
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Speaker 1: guy that was worth billions of dollars, that was having
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Speaker 1: bus exchanges with the Russians and others, committed suicide just
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Speaker 1: as his case was going to trial. That did not happen. Listen.
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Speaker 10: It is absolutely ludicrous for Pam Bondi to say that
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Speaker 10: there is nothing to investigate. Four thousand wire transfers is
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Speaker 10: a heck of a lot of lines for possible investigation.
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Speaker 3: Center run Widen claims there's plenty to investigate, including thousands
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Speaker 3: of lines of Epstein's wire transfers, that Epstein had to
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Speaker 3: fund his sex trafficking ranks somehow, and that the Treasury
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Speaker 3: Department has discovered four seven and twenty five wire transfers
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Speaker 3: totaling over a billion dollars flowing through just one of
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Speaker 3: Epstein's banks. They also found that Epstein had frequent dealings
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Speaker 3: with a sanctioned Russian bank. Widen claims the DOJ has
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Speaker 3: financial records for Epstein and calls for them to be
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Speaker 3: released to the SFC for their investigation.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes don't even know what to say, So this is
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Speaker 1: just from one bank joining me. Todd Shipley, cyber crime expert,
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Speaker 1: former Detective Sergeant Reno twenty five years, author of Surviving
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Speaker 1: a cyber Attack, Securing Social Media, Protecting your Home, Investigating
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Speaker 1: Internet crimes. It goes on and on. He's at dark
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Speaker 1: intel dot info. Todd, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I hardly know where to start. But having worked at
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Speaker 1: the Federal Trade Commission in the Anti Trust Division, I'm
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Speaker 1: used to a lot of documents. When I have to
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Speaker 1: nearly five thousand wire transfers totaling over a billion dollars,
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Speaker 1: and that's just through one bank, including with sanctioned Russian banks,
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Speaker 1: the DOJ is calling for an investigation. So Shipley, this
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Speaker 1: is what I want to throw at you. Think think
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Speaker 1: you think you use that noodle? Shipley. Epstein had lowly
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Speaker 1: to eye. He had his Manhattan seven floor stone Brownstone.
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Speaker 1: He had a mansion in Palm Beach. He had digs
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Speaker 1: where he would hang out in London. His sex ring
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Speaker 1: was world wide. He had little girls supply to him
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Speaker 1: from Jean Luke Brunelle in France. His reported net worth
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Speaker 1: was six hundred million. You want to tell me, with
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Speaker 1: the Russians, highly highly paid corporate clients who wanted sex
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Speaker 1: with little girls and he would fix them up, that
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Speaker 1: nobody wanted him dead, why do I need these five
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Speaker 1: thousand wire transfers tracked?
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Speaker 8: Tell me, Shipley, it's astounding to hear that and understand
22:07
Speaker 8: that there was that much money moving and nobody questioned
22:09
Speaker 8: any of this especially when he's going to Russian oligarchs
22:12
Speaker 8: that may or may not be sanctioned. That's hugely problematic.
22:16
Speaker 8: And we know that you know what's been going on.
22:19
Speaker 8: They can't do that, so it's terrible to see that
22:22
Speaker 8: this is going on.
22:23
Speaker 1: Okay, what I thought you were going to say, Shipley,
22:25
Speaker 1: is we need to trace those wire transfers because it
22:27
Speaker 1: could lead us to someone who has staggering wealth and
22:32
Speaker 1: the ability to make I can think that happened even
22:36
Speaker 1: behind Mars. That's what I thought you were going to say.
22:38
Speaker 8: Well, I can't, and I'm surprised that they haven't been
22:41
Speaker 8: traced all those wire transfers to find out who's behind them,
22:45
Speaker 8: not that they were just sent to him, but where
22:46
Speaker 8: they went out to to identify all the people that
22:49
Speaker 8: are in the ring, which has never been identified. And
22:51
Speaker 8: that's been the whole problem with the Epstein case is
22:54
Speaker 8: we don't know who's involved and who he's had ties with,
22:57
Speaker 8: especially monetarily, so who sent him this money and was
23:00
Speaker 8: it for the girls? We don't know.
23:03
Speaker 1: I guess you've heard the phrase follow the money. I mean,
23:06
Speaker 1: you know, let me go out to doctor Bethany Marshall,
23:08
Speaker 1: joining us renowned psychoanalyst, author of deal Breaker. You can
23:12
Speaker 1: see her on Peacock Now and find her at doctor
23:15
Speaker 1: Bethany marshall dot com. I want to see Bethany. Doctor Bethany.
23:19
Speaker 1: You know what I don't like. I don't like a
23:22
Speaker 1: two tier justice system for rich people and regular people.
23:27
Speaker 1: I just read this article in the New York Times
23:30
Speaker 1: and had the interior of Epstein's seven floor brownstone. There
23:37
Speaker 1: were all sorts of objects of art. He had a
23:41
Speaker 1: tiger stuffed and lounging on one of his Persian rugs.
23:48
Speaker 1: He had a first edition wait for it, of Lolita.
23:55
Speaker 1: Oh surprised Nebokhov about an old guy obsessed with and
24:04
Speaker 1: raping a twelve year old little girl in a relationship
24:07
Speaker 1: with her Lolita. He had people like Bannon, Israeli Prime
24:17
Speaker 1: Minister's presidents, Witty Allen, birds of the Feather over for dinner.
24:25
Speaker 1: He would have scientists authors. But what floored me, of course,
24:30
Speaker 1: you and I have similar backgrounds. You child of missionaries
24:35
Speaker 1: all over the world and really bad conditions meet growing
24:38
Speaker 1: up on a red dirt road that flooded all the time.
24:41
Speaker 1: When I looked at these pictures of all this expensive art,
24:49
Speaker 1: these girls never had a chance. The wealthy are covering
24:56
Speaker 1: for this guy in Bondie. The US attorney is letting
25:04
Speaker 1: it happen. I mean, we're mixing up photos here of
25:09
Speaker 1: the wealth at Palm Beach, Lolita Island, his seventh floor
25:14
Speaker 1: mansion in downtown Manhattan. It's just it's nauseating. It's nauseating.
25:21
Speaker 1: And one victim described I believe she was thirteen or
25:25
Speaker 1: fourteen being led in by Eileene Maxwell to give Epstein
25:31
Speaker 1: a massage, and he was button naked. She's like thirteen,
25:36
Speaker 1: She's never seen any grown man naked, and he the
25:41
Speaker 1: quote massage starts. Then he has sex with the little girl.
25:46
Speaker 1: It's a rape, of course, and then they give her
25:47
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars a tipper like she's, you know, a waitress,
25:53
Speaker 1: and she goes on her way. Then I look at
25:56
Speaker 1: the opulence that he has, has billions and billions of dollars,
26:03
Speaker 1: and it makes me sick. I mean, Bethany, when I
26:05
Speaker 1: go to Kroger, I have to show two forms of
26:08
Speaker 1: identification to cash a chick, and here he is transferring
26:13
Speaker 1: millions of dollars, even to Russia banks that have been flagged,
26:17
Speaker 1: and nobody says a thing while he is raping little girls.
26:21
Speaker 11: Bethany, Nancy, have you ever heard the term behind every
26:24
Speaker 11: great fortune lies a great crime. You know, he has
26:28
Speaker 11: so many other I'm going to say primarily men, although
26:31
Speaker 11: there are some women who have also committed great crimes
26:35
Speaker 11: to make great fortunes. And all these men have something
26:39
Speaker 11: to protect when it comes to each other. When I
26:41
Speaker 11: first heard of Jeffrey Epstein, my first thought was, how
26:44
Speaker 11: does like a financial guy get hundreds of millions of
26:48
Speaker 11: dollars in wealth? That has never been clear to me.
26:52
Speaker 11: And one of the things that has not been talked
26:54
Speaker 11: about is money laundering. You know, every therapist in California
26:58
Speaker 11: was made to sign of form this year verifying that
27:03
Speaker 11: we were not monitoring laundering money. It was such a
27:06
Speaker 11: strange thing. Lowly therapists who are out there serving the public,
27:11
Speaker 11: just trying to do our job, had to validate that
27:14
Speaker 11: we are not money launders. And yet you have somebody
27:18
Speaker 11: like Jeffrey Epstein who has billions of dollars going in
27:23
Speaker 11: and out of his account and everybody turns a blind eye.
27:27
Speaker 11: That means that everybody's benefiting in some way.
27:30
Speaker 1: Nancy.
27:30
Speaker 11: Either they're benefiting because they have access to underage girls.
27:34
Speaker 11: They're benefiting because they can launder money too, or they're
27:38
Speaker 11: benefiting just because they get these dinners and private rides
27:41
Speaker 11: to the island.
27:42
Speaker 1: You know, it's like.
27:43
Speaker 11: Paying for friends, insinuating your friends into your secrets knowing
27:49
Speaker 11: more about them. Pretty soon you have a band of
27:52
Speaker 11: thieves with everybody standing up for each other. A quick analogy, Nancy,
27:56
Speaker 11: is you know those spy movies where the I is
28:00
Speaker 11: a double spy and decides to extricate himself. He's on
28:04
Speaker 11: the run, but everywhere he looks there's an enemy. Because
28:07
Speaker 11: he knows too much. Everybody wants him dead. All those
28:12
Speaker 11: so called people he was working for in the past
28:14
Speaker 11: now need him gone because he's holding all of their secrets.
28:18
Speaker 1: And I kind of think.
28:19
Speaker 11: That that's what's happening right now that our current administration
28:22
Speaker 11: is saying, look the other way, look the other way,
28:24
Speaker 11: don't think about what's really happening.
28:26
Speaker 1: What's really happening is there are probably.
28:29
Speaker 11: Hundreds of people who needed Jeffrey Epstein gone for multiple reasons.
28:34
Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw joining me, she has a very special voice today.
28:39
Speaker 1: Lynn Shaw, founder director Lynz Warriors, committed to ending sex
28:44
Speaker 1: trafficking of women and girls, she's the host of Lynnz
28:47
Speaker 1: Warriors on YouTube. Lee When I think about let's just
28:52
Speaker 1: go with Virginia's your friv but there's so many. There's
28:56
Speaker 1: literally thousands of girls over decades that he write put
29:00
Speaker 1: telling you like it is. Angal Maxwell is a monster.
29:04
Speaker 1: She didn't just leave the girls in there and make
29:06
Speaker 1: it seem okay that they were about to get raped.
29:10
Speaker 1: She took part in them lest stations and now she's
29:13
Speaker 1: at Club fed. I don't know what happened at Lolita
29:20
Speaker 1: Island down in the US Virgin Islands. I don't know
29:24
Speaker 1: what happened, but I wasn't there, but based on what
29:27
Speaker 1: the victims say, it was awful. And now we've got
29:31
Speaker 1: him with billions of dollars and we're counting on the
29:35
Speaker 1: wealthy and politically powerful to release those files bring it
29:41
Speaker 1: home in what is this really about?
29:44
Speaker 12: Nancy? I have given this so much thought, knowing victims,
29:49
Speaker 12: working with victims of Glen's and Jeffrey Epstein's, and you
29:52
Speaker 12: know what I'm going to say, and I'm going to
29:53
Speaker 12: let everybody else figure it out, top down, top down.
29:58
Speaker 12: We have so many unanswered questions. Should you talk about
30:00
Speaker 12: a two tier justice system? What about the victims out
30:03
Speaker 12: there on top of this dirty ditty case we got this,
30:06
Speaker 12: Why did Pam Bondy even open her mouth and start
30:10
Speaker 12: with those binders that she said she went to FedEx
30:12
Speaker 12: and created them herself, and she made influencers hold them
30:16
Speaker 12: up and opened the can of worms. And now it's
30:18
Speaker 12: one lie after the other. But let's get back to
30:22
Speaker 12: that justice system. We've got all these victims. I always
30:26
Speaker 12: heard being here in New York City, Jeffrey Epstein was
30:29
Speaker 12: a sex trafficking operation of children. Do I have proof?
30:33
Speaker 2: No?
30:33
Speaker 12: That is what I heard on the street. And you
30:35
Speaker 12: know what, when you blackmail people with children, that's where
30:39
Speaker 12: you make a lot of money worldwide. And you showed
30:41
Speaker 12: an image earlier and I saw it. I was looking
30:44
Speaker 12: something up earlier. He had crates that were labeled child porn,
30:49
Speaker 12: kitty porn, young and younger. Where are all those tapes?
30:52
Speaker 12: We never really heard much about them at all. We
30:56
Speaker 12: always heard that in France that was a total child
30:59
Speaker 12: sex trafing operation of eleven, twelve and thirteen year old girls.
31:04
Speaker 12: So I ask you all this information. Now we've got
31:07
Speaker 12: the administration telling us look the other way. We've got
31:10
Speaker 12: orange blobs, we got a guy who looks like you know,
31:12
Speaker 12: he supposedly killed himself with orange paper towels. Please, and
31:16
Speaker 12: you know what about these victims, Let's keep going back
31:18
Speaker 12: to that. They're watching all of this and again on
31:21
Speaker 12: top of Diddy. This is why they never come forward.
31:24
Speaker 12: This is why we have such a hard time in
31:26
Speaker 12: the court system, because they're not believed, they're dismissed, and
31:29
Speaker 12: all the focus is put on these monsters like Gallaine,
31:32
Speaker 12: who is a predator, a monster, and now she gets
31:34
Speaker 12: to run around with Elizabeth Holmes from Thoroughnos and jog
31:37
Speaker 12: and lift weights. I don't understand any of this, but
31:40
Speaker 12: I do understand we have so many girls and victims
31:43
Speaker 12: looking at this, crying their eyes out, begging me what
31:46
Speaker 12: is going on?
31:47
Speaker 1: LNN. Speaking of Pam Bondie, listen to what she once
31:51
Speaker 1: promised us. This is from our friends at Fox News.
31:53
Speaker 13: What you're going to see, hopefully tomorrow, is a lot
31:58
Speaker 13: of flight logs, a lot of names. It's a lot
32:00
Speaker 13: of information, but pretty sick what that man did. A
32:06
Speaker 13: source had told me where the documents were being kept,
32:10
Speaker 13: Southern District of New York.
32:11
Speaker 1: Shock.
32:12
Speaker 13: So we got them all by, hopefully all of them
32:15
Speaker 13: Friday at eight am, thousands of pages of documents. I
32:18
Speaker 13: have the FBI going through them. Director Patel is going
32:21
Speaker 13: to get us a detailed report as to why the
32:25
Speaker 13: FBI withheld all of those documents.
32:27
Speaker 1: Joining us right now is a very special guest. It
32:31
Speaker 1: is Jeffrey Epstein's brother, Mark Epstein. Mark, thank you for
32:36
Speaker 1: being with us.
32:37
Speaker 14: Welcome, Thank you.
32:38
Speaker 1: You know, Mark, I know that people are using you
32:41
Speaker 1: like a crystal ball to try to see into the
32:43
Speaker 1: mind of your brother, Jeffrey Epstein. What I want to
32:47
Speaker 1: talk to you about is that orange clad figure that
32:53
Speaker 1: is now appearing on video and people are seeing it
32:56
Speaker 1: for the first time, which is concerned and not in
33:01
Speaker 1: a good way that we're just now seeing video which
33:05
Speaker 1: looks like someone walking up and down a stairwell, coming
33:11
Speaker 1: out of a stairwell and walking around on your brother's floor.
33:16
Speaker 1: Now we've been told, oh, maybe it's somebody carrying laundry. Well,
33:21
Speaker 1: can I tell you just off the bat, Mark Epstein.
33:25
Speaker 1: After having been in many, many correctional institutes and jails
33:29
Speaker 1: and juv jails, you name it, I've been in it.
33:34
Speaker 1: No one walks around without their hands free. Okay, It's
33:39
Speaker 1: not like I'm carrying the dirty clothes from the back
33:42
Speaker 1: of the house to the launder room in the front
33:44
Speaker 1: of the house with my arms full. No in a CI, Mark,
33:50
Speaker 1: if dirty clothes were being transported, they would be in
33:55
Speaker 1: a pushhamper with wheels. No one walks around their arms
34:00
Speaker 1: full of stuff. If you let's just let's just use
34:05
Speaker 1: the movies as an example, something that everyone would have seen.
34:09
Speaker 1: You don't see Warden's walking the halls of a max
34:13
Speaker 1: CI or any CI with their hands full. Their hands
34:17
Speaker 1: are free because you never know when you're going to
34:20
Speaker 1: be attacked or you have to break up a fight
34:22
Speaker 1: between inmates. You don't know what's going to happen. So
34:25
Speaker 1: that is not anybody carrying a load of laundry up
34:29
Speaker 1: and down steps.
34:30
Speaker 14: Mark, Well, there's a lot of things on that video
34:33
Speaker 14: that don't make sense. In the early part of the video,
34:35
Speaker 14: they said that they saw Jeffrey, you know, being walked
34:38
Speaker 14: into his cell. First of all, you can't tell if
34:40
Speaker 14: that's Jeffrey or not. You can't tell who it is.
34:43
Speaker 14: And you don't just walk into Jeffrey's shell off of
34:46
Speaker 14: that common area. You have to go up that staircase
34:49
Speaker 14: through a barred, locked door and then into the cell.
34:52
Speaker 14: He was the first sell on the right hand side
34:54
Speaker 14: of the tier, so you don't just casually walk into
34:57
Speaker 14: his cell. And you know, said before, every time the
35:01
Speaker 14: government tries to squash this thing, they just get deeper
35:04
Speaker 14: into a hole with misinformation. People have viewed the videotape
35:08
Speaker 14: and they've seen it's been edited, and it's been dopted,
35:10
Speaker 14: and it's split from a couple of different feeds. So yeah,
35:15
Speaker 14: you know, how do you trust this? You can't, you know,
35:19
Speaker 14: And with the thing with the video too early on,
35:21
Speaker 14: Bill Barr said that, you know, he saw the videotape
35:25
Speaker 14: and he saw that nobody went in or out of
35:27
Speaker 14: the tier, and that convinced him that it was a suicide.
35:30
Speaker 14: I've pointed out before how ridiculous that is, because there
35:33
Speaker 14: were about a dozen other inmates on that tier that
35:37
Speaker 14: theoretically could have killed somebody without having to come and
35:40
Speaker 14: go from the tier. So to completely ignore that fact
35:44
Speaker 14: and to come to the conclusion that of the suicide.
35:47
Speaker 14: And now when you add in the fact that the
35:49
Speaker 14: video does not show the door to the tier, and
35:52
Speaker 14: people can get to the door to the tier, go
35:55
Speaker 14: and come without being caught on camera. So I don't
35:57
Speaker 14: know what footage Bill Barr was referring to. If this
36:00
Speaker 14: is if this is the only video available, you know,
36:03
Speaker 14: maybe he wants to reconsider his conclusion, because to me,
36:06
Speaker 14: he looks foolish to come to that conclusion with the
36:09
Speaker 14: fact that you can see the door to the tear
36:12
Speaker 14: and there were other people, possible, possibly that could have
36:15
Speaker 14: done this. This was not looked at as a homicide
36:18
Speaker 14: investigation by them calling it a suicide very early on.
36:23
Speaker 14: It eliminates any further investigating because if it's a suicide,
36:28
Speaker 14: there's not much to investigate. But it was never investigated
36:32
Speaker 14: as a homicide, and people starting to ask for that.
36:35
Speaker 14: So I was working with a group of people that
36:36
Speaker 14: were trying to investigate this, and they were using the
36:39
Speaker 14: assistance of AI, and they put in like all the
36:42
Speaker 14: information that we have, or a lot of the information
36:45
Speaker 14: that we have, and the AI came up with a
36:48
Speaker 14: probability that this was seventy five percent chance of a
36:50
Speaker 14: homicide and only twenty five percent chance of a suicide.
36:54
Speaker 14: One of the reasons that couldn't be more specific is
36:57
Speaker 14: we don't have, you know, pictures of hell his body
37:00
Speaker 14: was found, you know, they moved his body if he
37:03
Speaker 14: was found, which they shouldn't have done, so there's no
37:06
Speaker 14: sort of crime scene was messed up. And also the
37:10
Speaker 14: fact that the situation with the three broken bones in
37:13
Speaker 14: Jeffrey's neck turns out that kind of fipball breakage only
37:18
Speaker 14: occurs in less than two percent of hanging of this
37:21
Speaker 14: alleged type. So the AI put all the origin together
37:26
Speaker 14: and came up with seventy five percent chance of homicide
37:29
Speaker 14: and twenty five percent chance of suicide.
37:31
Speaker 1: Experts now questioning the government's account of what happened the
37:35
Speaker 1: night that Jeffrey Epstein was killed, and this as new
37:40
Speaker 1: CCT footage has been uncovered with a mystery orange figure
37:45
Speaker 1: near his cell just hours before he dies. Now, why
37:50
Speaker 1: are eleven hours of video from outside his cell at
37:54
Speaker 1: Metropolitan Correctional Center just now being released. This so called
38:02
Speaker 1: mystery blob in orange is not someone carrying laundry. That's
38:09
Speaker 1: not true. Okay, I've been in enough SIS to note
38:13
Speaker 1: that's not true. When I would go in a CIO
38:15
Speaker 1: would be totally hands free. If I can add something, yes,
38:19
Speaker 1: please do.
38:20
Speaker 14: If I can it. I would like to see the
38:22
Speaker 14: continuation of that video and to try to see what
38:25
Speaker 14: the situation was when they took Jeffrey's body off of
38:28
Speaker 14: that to you you know who was there, what condition
38:31
Speaker 14: he was saying, if you could see it. Well, there's
38:33
Speaker 14: also another camera that was working that they're not releasing
38:37
Speaker 14: video footage from it, or if they ever will. So
38:40
Speaker 14: where's the footage from that second camera that was recording.
38:43
Speaker 14: I'd like to see that.
38:44
Speaker 1: Well, here's another thing Mark we were led to believe
38:46
Speaker 1: at the beginning, these two doors were showing right now
38:48
Speaker 1: were the only ways to get in. And now see
38:51
Speaker 1: this woman right there, She's got a pushcart on wheels.
38:54
Speaker 1: She's got everything else wrapped around her like you know,
38:57
Speaker 1: a mason would have an apron, or construction worker would
39:01
Speaker 1: have an apron around his or her waist. Where she
39:04
Speaker 1: puts all our stuff hands free. I can't stress it
39:07
Speaker 1: enough for safety. So to suggest this is somebody carrying
39:10
Speaker 1: laundry is total bs. Now what I was saying before,
39:14
Speaker 1: these two doors we were led to believe were the
39:18
Speaker 1: entries and exits to Epstein's Tier No. Newly released and
39:24
Speaker 1: only partially see He's Hands Free to partially released video
39:29
Speaker 1: shows us that there were other entrances and exits, at
39:33
Speaker 1: least one that's a shock to the system.
39:36
Speaker 14: Mark, Yes, it was, But I'm not surprising because so
39:39
Speaker 14: much of the other stuff the government's putting out is
39:42
Speaker 14: it turns out to be not. So let's put it
39:46
Speaker 14: that way.
39:47
Speaker 1: Why don't we just call it what it is. It's lies.
39:51
Speaker 1: It's lies. They are lies. And when there's a lie,
39:55
Speaker 1: you know, even no matter how bad it is, say,
39:58
Speaker 1: the two guards really did fall asleep, really were shopping
40:02
Speaker 1: online at the exact time your brother was killed, which
40:05
Speaker 1: is very far fetched, very far fetched. Indeed, even if
40:10
Speaker 1: one of the cameras wasn't working, you know a lot
40:14
Speaker 1: of coincidences, don't lie about it. So why are they
40:19
Speaker 1: lying about this? That tells me that something sinister or
40:23
Speaker 1: nefarious is happening if you have to lie about it, Mark.
40:27
Speaker 14: Yeah, Well, Also what's happening is that more and more
40:30
Speaker 14: people who look at all the information that we have
40:32
Speaker 14: and not just listen to what the government says, nobody
40:34
Speaker 14: comes to the conclusion that this was a suicide. So
40:37
Speaker 14: now you have to look at it as a potential homicide.
40:40
Speaker 14: And one of the things that a homicide investigator would
40:42
Speaker 14: look at was who did it and why, So you
40:45
Speaker 14: have to look at now, who might have possibly been
40:48
Speaker 14: able to pull off this kind of thing, to coordinate
40:52
Speaker 14: this murder in a federal prison. And that's what people
40:56
Speaker 14: should start asking about, is you know, since it's not
40:59
Speaker 14: clearly not a suicide, who did this? N why? That's
41:05
Speaker 14: that's what how much I investigated would look at. And
41:09
Speaker 14: that's what sud I'd like to see them real opening.
41:11
Speaker 1: Absolutely And in this eleven hour clip, which is already
41:15
Speaker 1: facing claims of being doctored, you clearly see a shadowy
41:20
Speaker 1: orange figure moving up the stairs to Epstein's cell block,
41:25
Speaker 1: and this is timed at ten forty pm, the night
41:29
Speaker 1: before he was found dead. Shortly after, again, federal investigators
41:36
Speaker 1: are lying claiming that a COEO corrections officer was carrying
41:40
Speaker 1: linen or inmate clothing. No that no, it is actually
41:46
Speaker 1: another inmate dressed in orange, or someone else dressed as
41:51
Speaker 1: an inmate in orange. Okay, I'm going to circle back
41:56
Speaker 1: to this figure going up and down the stairs. It's
42:00
Speaker 1: I can see it, and there are other clips where
42:02
Speaker 1: you see it even better. This is not someone caring laundry.
42:06
Speaker 1: Do they think we're idiots? I mean you can see
42:09
Speaker 1: it moving like taking steps. Oh, it's an insult to
42:14
Speaker 1: anyone with even half a brain. For Pete's sake, with me, guys,
42:18
Speaker 1: a special guest tonight. It's Mark Epstein. This is Jeffrey
42:22
Speaker 1: Epstein's brother. Mark. As you know, I am not political.
42:26
Speaker 1: I do not mix politics with crime. I think it's
42:29
Speaker 1: very dangerous and hurts crime victims. But isn't it true
42:34
Speaker 1: that you spoke to your brother Jeffrey Epstein while Trump
42:39
Speaker 1: was in his office?
42:41
Speaker 14: Yes, that's true. I would speak to Jeffrey and I
42:43
Speaker 14: ask him what he's doing, and he'll tell me he's
42:45
Speaker 14: with so and so whatever in a new time is
42:47
Speaker 14: still or at least at one time, I remember he
42:49
Speaker 14: said he is it Trump And there are people who
42:52
Speaker 14: work for Jeffrey that was in his office. That's what
42:54
Speaker 14: Trump and there frequently. So I don't know why he
42:57
Speaker 14: can possibly come out and say that he was evering Jeffrey.
42:59
Speaker 14: So makes you know, it's such a blatant lie that
43:03
Speaker 14: I don't know who would believe that after so many
43:05
Speaker 14: people he testified it. That's not so.
43:08
Speaker 1: What did you believe your brother did for a living?
43:11
Speaker 1: What did he tell you he did for a living?
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Speaker 14: Why don't he managed large sums of money for wealthy people,
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Speaker 14: and he invested his own money. That's about as far
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Speaker 14: as I know. I knew very few of his actual
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Speaker 14: business dealings. They are one years ago. I know he
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Speaker 14: bought or a group of people that he was with
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Speaker 14: bought the company right now. It's the company I made
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Speaker 14: football helmets for all the teams, So he owned that
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Speaker 14: for a while. And I know because he told me,
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Speaker 14: and he also sent me a jets helmet from the company.
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Speaker 14: That's what he did.
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Speaker 1: He was I'll sell you why I'm asking you, Mark,
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you why i'm asking. From the records I've reviewed,
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Speaker 1: he had about six hundred million dollars at the height
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Speaker 1: of his wealth, six hundred million dollars at the height
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Speaker 1: of his health. But then when you look at other
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Speaker 1: wire transfers, they're up to the billions as viz In
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Speaker 1: Brother billions of dollars transferred to accounts, including a flagged
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Speaker 1: Russian bank. I know you don't know the intricate dealings
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Speaker 1: of his business affairs. This is why I'm asking. When
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Speaker 1: you got a guy that has access to billions beez
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Speaker 1: In Brother, billions of dollars unlike anything I can imagine
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Speaker 1: growing up on a red dirt road, but billions of
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Speaker 1: dollars with very influential people, possibly Russian bankers, and he
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Speaker 1: ends up dead behind bars, and everybody still says it
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Speaker 1: was a suicide. That's so far fetch. You see where
44:51
Speaker 1: I'm going. You can't be unguarded in a CI and
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Speaker 1: end up dead under these circu cumstances. Having transferred billions
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Speaker 1: of dollars and dealt with all sorts of powerful, influential
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Speaker 1: and wealthy people across the world, I mean billions of dollars. Mark,
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Speaker 1: where did that come from? Do you have any idea?
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Speaker 14: Well, the only thing is that business he was in.
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Speaker 14: What he did, he handled lots of money for very
45:23
Speaker 14: well chifful billionaires, So chances are he was investing their
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Speaker 14: money and moving their money to where it needed to go.
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Speaker 14: Should be. That's the only thing I can think of
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Speaker 14: what he would be transferring so much money from.
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Speaker 1: His personal accounts. So if they're from his personal accounts,
45:42
Speaker 1: that won't wash. But you know what, I haven't seen
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Speaker 1: them all, So maybe some of that was his client's money.
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Speaker 1: That is an innocent explanation. Do I believe it?
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Speaker 15: No?
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Speaker 1: But could some of it be attributed to his personal accounts?
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Speaker 1: Maybe Hey, did you ever meet Julane Maxwell.
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Speaker 14: Yes, yes, back in the nine is Jeffrey Glenn met
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Speaker 14: about nineteen ninety one or ninety two. It became close
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Speaker 14: and back then we alway used to hang out together
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Speaker 14: a lot. Yes, I knew Hope kind of.
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Speaker 1: Well back then, what was she like, Mark, Well, she just.
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Speaker 14: Seemed you know. I mean, it's hard for me to say.
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Speaker 14: I don't want to get involved with personal stuff. I'm
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Speaker 14: interested in the circumstances of my brother's death. I don't
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Speaker 14: want to get into the cases with my brother or
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Speaker 14: Glen or anybody else. I really want to focus on
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Speaker 14: the circumstances I was dead. I can't add much to
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Speaker 14: what Glenn was like. There was nothing remarkable about it
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Speaker 14: that I feel the need to comment on.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I accept that. Why do you believe Mark, the
46:39
Speaker 1: White House will not release the files.
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Speaker 14: Well, I think there's things that they're hiding. That's why.
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Speaker 14: I mean, their Justice Department is covering everything up. So
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Speaker 14: I believe potentially maybe the hiding information they don't want
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Speaker 14: things out. I can't think of any other reason.
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Speaker 1: To say I agree with you. Mark. It's it's not
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Speaker 1: just the homicide, it's the lying it's the hiding, it's
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Speaker 1: the subterfuge, it's the cover up. We were told over
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Speaker 1: and over that these files will be released, and now
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Speaker 1: they're not. Hey, one more thing, Mark, before you leave
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Speaker 1: us tonight. You were talking about your brother being brought
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Speaker 1: back to his cell. I believe from the showers he
47:18
Speaker 1: was allowed to go to the showers to make a
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Speaker 1: phone call from what we've been told, which is completely
47:25
Speaker 1: not kosher. But listen to this.
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Speaker 15: While correctional officers admitted that Epstein was allowed to make
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Speaker 15: an unmonitored phone call in the showers before he was
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Speaker 15: returned to his cell at seven forty pm, co Tova
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Speaker 15: Noel claims she left Epstein in the showers alone to
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Speaker 15: use the restroom, and by the time she returned, someone
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Speaker 15: else had already escorted Epstein back to his cell. However,
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Speaker 15: it appears that Noel remains in the unit during the
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Speaker 15: call and does personally walk Epstein back toward the staircase
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Speaker 15: to cell Block.
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Speaker 1: L Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 15: Another female staffer left the unit shortly before Noel gave
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Speaker 15: the escort and return shortly after Epstein was allegedly safely
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Speaker 15: returned to his cell.
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Speaker 1: So this correctional officer Toevin Noel says, she leaves him
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Speaker 1: in the showers to use the restroom in what we
48:23
Speaker 1: now know to make an unmonitored phone call, which is
48:26
Speaker 1: not prison procedure to make phone calls, to allow an
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Speaker 1: inmate to make private phone calls from the bathroom. No
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Speaker 1: that said Tovin Nowell claims she leaves him in the
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Speaker 1: showers and by the time she comes back someone had
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Speaker 1: escorted him to his cell But apparently on the video,
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Speaker 1: it appears she remains in the unit during Epstein's call
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Speaker 1: and does walk him back to his cell block. So
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Speaker 1: why lie doesn't It's a small detail, mark, but it's
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Speaker 1: an important detail.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, I've proven well and Michael Thomas, the two gods
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Speaker 14: that got into trouble, initially refused to talk about any
49:05
Speaker 14: of this. We're trying to get to them to find
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Speaker 14: out again the main question of what position Jeffrey was
49:11
Speaker 14: really in when they found him, and they won't talk. Now,
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Speaker 14: this is clearly a suicide. Why is such secrecy? Why
49:17
Speaker 14: is everybody so mum? Why is everybody afraid to speak?
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Speaker 14: They got they were let off, the charges against them
49:23
Speaker 14: were dismissed. You know, a person is dead because of
49:26
Speaker 14: their lack of doing a job properly, and they just
49:30
Speaker 14: walk free. Whether Jeffrey committed suicide or he was killed,
49:35
Speaker 14: he was under the protection of the federal government in
49:38
Speaker 14: a federal prison. You know, these are case that have
49:41
Speaker 14: been allowed to happen, and because of the behavior of
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Speaker 14: these two gods, Jeffrey ended up dead and they're walking free.
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Speaker 14: So the question to ask is what kind of deal
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Speaker 14: did they make and why aren't they talking? What are
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Speaker 14: they afraid of?
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Speaker 1: Regardless of what I think about Epstein, he's your brother,
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Speaker 1: your blood. I'm sorry for what you and your family
50:03
Speaker 1: have been through. Mark. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: More to come.
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Speaker 3: Comber responds to Gilane Maxwell's ransom letter, agrees to postpone
50:11
Speaker 3: the deposition, but publicly stated the committee will not, under
50:15
Speaker 3: any circumstances, considered granting Maxwell congressional immunity pardon for who
50:20
Speaker 3: for Killaine Maxwell?
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm allowed to give her a part. Nobody's approached
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Speaker 1: me with it, nobody's asked me about it.
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Speaker 15: DC insiders are concerned Maxwell's bid for a pardon is
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Speaker 15: gaining traction after her meetings with Deputy Attorney General Todd
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Speaker 15: Blanche led to her being moved to a less restrictive
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Speaker 15: low security prison against BOP rules without a waiver because
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Speaker 15: she is a convicted sex offender.
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Speaker 1: Straight out to veteran trial lawyer joining us Eric Fatus.
50:52
Speaker 1: He is a founding partner of Foreigner Fattus, elite legal
50:55
Speaker 1: former felony prosecutor. Look, you don't need to draw five
50:59
Speaker 1: hundred pounds piano in my head. I get it. She
51:02
Speaker 1: mates with the Feds to talk about this case, and
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Speaker 1: suddenly she's moved an honor dorm facility, right.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you don't need to be a legal expert
51:13
Speaker 2: to kind of read the tea leaves on that. Clearly
51:16
Speaker 2: there is some level of cooperation that's going on, And
51:19
Speaker 2: there are kind of two schools of thought. One is
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Speaker 2: that the federal government is truly and purely investigating and
51:26
Speaker 2: wants to get to the bottom of this, wants to
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Speaker 2: give the people transparency, wants to pursue accountability for those implicated.
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Speaker 2: The other school of thought is that this is kind
51:36
Speaker 2: of a facade, kind of an effort to protect certain
51:40
Speaker 2: higher up individuals, and so, you know, is there something
51:44
Speaker 2: more nefarious going on?
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Speaker 1: When we see Glene Maxwell being.
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Speaker 2: Transferred to this cushy U prison facility that that like
51:51
Speaker 2: Lynchaucet has Elizabeth Fair and or Elizabeth Holmes the nose
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Speaker 2: person and you know they're hanging out playing tennis or whatever.
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Speaker 7: Raises a few.
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Speaker 1: Gilaene Maxwell has just been moved to a minimum security
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Speaker 1: club FED lock up. Doctor Dwayne Hendricks joining us well
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Speaker 1: known former associate Award and MDC and more. Doctor Hendrix
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Speaker 1: describe the Club FED where Gillaene Maxwell is now housed.
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Speaker 4: Well, it hous about six hundred and fifty inmates. Less
52:24
Speaker 4: you know, she came from a facility with security fence
52:27
Speaker 4: around in Tallahassee which held twelve hundred inmates. Basically, you know,
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Speaker 4: other than having to stand up account at four o'clock
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Speaker 4: at nine o'clock every every evening and on the weekends
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Speaker 4: and holidays at ten am, she's pretty much got freedom,
52:42
Speaker 4: you know.
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Speaker 7: She she's able.
52:43
Speaker 4: To walk out of her dorm and catch sunlight and
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Speaker 4: catch the sunrise and the sunset, go to the gym,
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Speaker 4: go to religious programming, and all those other things that
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Speaker 4: other inmates at minimum security facilities can do. She can
52:58
Speaker 4: also be eligible to work in the community, because that's
53:02
Speaker 4: what when people say you can go to a camp.
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Speaker 4: Basically inmates are in the community doing community projects.
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Speaker 14: You know.
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Speaker 4: One of the things that rolls my eyebrows in this
53:13
Speaker 4: case is that typically inmates with more than ten years
53:17
Speaker 4: cannot be housed at a camp. So this will be
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Speaker 4: the first time that I'm ever hearing of and I
53:22
Speaker 4: did designations many years ago in the Northern District of California.
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Speaker 4: Typically inmates, especially those who are convicted of sex trafficking,
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Speaker 4: would not be at a camp, especially above ten years
53:35
Speaker 4: remaining on their sentence. So she definitely after the meeting
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Speaker 4: she had with them, she did get some perks, being
53:43
Speaker 4: allowed to move from Florida to Texas to Brian.
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Speaker 1: Okay, here's what I've learned about her new digs. It's
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Speaker 1: dormitory style housing. There is no perimeter sense. We're told
53:58
Speaker 1: she can play tennis, ping, pong, volleyball, yoga, pilates, a
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Speaker 1: gym equipped with treadmills, ellipticals, stairmasters, and weights. They have
54:13
Speaker 1: the puppy program where she gets to pet and play
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Speaker 1: with puppies. A commissary where she can buy all sorts
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Speaker 1: of high end beauty aids, creams, euthanizers, hair products. Visitors
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Speaker 1: allowed weekends holidays, so many freedoms, low low security, freedom
54:43
Speaker 1: to move around the facilities, grounds, outdoors with limited perimeter fencing,
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Speaker 1: vegan diet. It just goes on and on. Lynn Shaw,
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Speaker 1: founder Lynn's Warriors. Isn't it true that convicted tom molesters
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Speaker 1: are not allowed in low security facilities period?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 12: Absolutely, We've never heard of anybody convicted sex trafficking being
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Speaker 12: allowed in a facility like this. I've spoken to a
55:17
Speaker 12: lot of people to question them to make sure I
55:19
Speaker 12: know what I'm talking about. They've never heard of this.
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Speaker 12: But I have to ask you something. Let me flip
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Speaker 12: it for a minute. Perhaps she might be the next
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Speaker 12: Jeffrey Epstein. Why is she allowed in a place with
55:30
Speaker 12: no perimeter? But I'll tell you who doesn't have yoga
55:33
Speaker 12: and vegan meals and high end beauty products. All of
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Speaker 12: the victims and survivors of Jeffrey Epstein and Golene Maxwell,
55:41
Speaker 12: who are living for the rest of their lives with
55:43
Speaker 12: this trauma that they will never get over. It doesn't
55:47
Speaker 12: just end when you go through horrific circumstances like sex trafficking, grooming,
55:52
Speaker 12: all of this abuse, you know what, it lives with
55:55
Speaker 12: you forever. So while she's having a good time. I
55:58
Speaker 12: think we should all assume she gave some kind of information.
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Speaker 12: She's being protected. Something more is going on here. I'm
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Speaker 12: going to say it again, like a broken record, top down.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a photo right now of some of
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Speaker 1: the women in this dorm facility, and they actually have
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Speaker 1: hand weights. It looks like Mommy's morning out and they're
56:17
Speaker 1: all in little matching shorts and T shirt gem outfits,
56:21
Speaker 1: you know, like everybody matches their outfits in the Hamptons. Well,
56:25
Speaker 1: here they are, and they actually have hand weights, which
56:29
Speaker 1: is a huge no no because one inmate can haul
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Speaker 1: off and hit a warden or another inmate with those weights.
56:37
Speaker 1: They're out in a grassy area like a park, and
56:43
Speaker 1: they're walking and laughing with their hand weights. Now we
56:50
Speaker 1: are learning tisaatels that we're getting a new excuse for
56:55
Speaker 1: moving her to a new jail, saying that any ascertation
57:01
Speaker 1: she's getting preferential treatment is absurd. Prisoners are routinely moved.
57:07
Speaker 1: That's bs. What do you know about her new digs?
57:11
Speaker 1: Taste of tales, her new digs.
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Speaker 6: The streets are saying is a reward now for what?
57:17
Speaker 6: Because they say it's for information? She might have given.
57:19
Speaker 6: But like you pointed out, there is one point one
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Speaker 6: billion dollars with over four thousand wire transfers going in
57:26
Speaker 6: and out of account You can talk to all the
57:29
Speaker 6: people that own the accounts that are going in and out.
57:32
Speaker 6: You can talk to the Pope, Mick Jagger, you can
57:34
Speaker 6: talk to President Clinton, and you can talk to President Trump.
57:37
Speaker 6: There are a million ways we can get more information.
57:41
Speaker 6: How we can even go back to that old case,
57:43
Speaker 6: the fact that now it looks like to me and
57:47
Speaker 6: everybody else, it is a thinly veiled excuse to give
57:50
Speaker 6: this woman presidential treatment.
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Speaker 1: Everybody's horrified.
57:54
Speaker 6: But again, to go back to what Lynn said, just say,
57:56
Speaker 6: Maxwell might want to be the one that's being horrified.
57:59
Speaker 6: You get you get moved to a prison that has
58:03
Speaker 6: barely any security.
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Speaker 1: You get moved to an honor.
58:06
Speaker 6: Unit where all the good kids that got a gold
58:09
Speaker 6: star on the report card in federal jail get moved to.
58:13
Speaker 6: You're now there sitting there like a sitting duck. Again,
58:16
Speaker 6: why would she move? I would be very worried if
58:19
Speaker 6: you look at what happened in Jeffrey Epstein.
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Speaker 12: He was supposed to have a mandatory roommate roommate up.
58:25
Speaker 6: The day of his death, the roommate was inexplicably moved
58:29
Speaker 6: out of a sale. He was alone for over eleven hours.
58:32
Speaker 6: There's supposed to be thirty minute checks. This is in
58:34
Speaker 6: the highest profile.
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Speaker 1: Case in a highly secured prison. We wait as god
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Speaker 1: willing justice unfolds. Nancy Gray signing off goodbye friend.