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The Rita Panahi Show | 11 June · The Rita Panahi Show

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Speaker 1: On scorn Leeds Australia.
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Speaker 2: This is the Wider Panalty Show.
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Speaker 3: Good evening and welcome to the readA Panety Show coming
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Speaker 3: up tonight, A packed program. The Great Douglas Murray joins
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Speaker 3: me shortly to discuss everything from Oprah and Jasinda Dern's
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Speaker 3: seconding love into the Australian Left fawning over Greta Thunberg.
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Speaker 3: Senator Drinda Cox accuses the Greens of being deeply racist
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Speaker 3: and tolerating a culture of violence. The panel will be
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Speaker 3: here to cover that and much more. We'll have the
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Speaker 3: latest from the US as whole show, Donald Trump recording
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Speaker 3: a huge surge in support from migrant voters, legal migrants,
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Speaker 3: and left is losing. It features more than one Democrat
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Speaker 3: lying about the riots, including this congress woman.
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Speaker 2: Don't miss the part you are.
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Speaker 4: Don't think that somehow because they called out the National Guard,
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Speaker 4: there was valor, there was no violence.
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Speaker 5: But first let's bring in the panel.
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Speaker 3: Joining me now to this gus Today's headlines is Sky
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Speaker 3: News contributor Primi Sween and research fellow at the Institute
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Speaker 3: of Public Affairs Saxon Davidson.
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Speaker 5: Let's start with the Greens.
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Speaker 3: Their well former Green turned Labor senator during the Cox
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Speaker 3: has accused the party of tolerating a culture that permits
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Speaker 3: violence against First Nations women within its structures, and in
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Speaker 3: her resignation letter, she also said that the party is
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Speaker 3: deeply racist, while referring to an incident where she says
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Speaker 3: she was assaulted at Perth Airport by a party member,
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Speaker 3: which was ignored. Indeed, I was advised not to report
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Speaker 3: it to police. And incidents involving my staff who were
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Speaker 3: isolated by the state and other MP's officers pro.
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Speaker 5: I'll start with you.
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Speaker 3: This is a pretty serious allegations right here. Do the
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Speaker 3: Greens have a problem with race? Are they a racist party?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't think so when you look at the makeup
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Speaker 6: of the Greens. But this is one angry woman, isn't it.
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Speaker 6: You know she's just going to get even as much
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Speaker 6: as she can. I believe she approached Labor and joined
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Speaker 6: them because she had a hissy fit because she wasn't
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Speaker 6: voted Green leader. She thought that the Grass was going
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Speaker 6: to be greener with Labor. But of course, prior to that,
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Speaker 6: when she'd left Labor to join the Greens, she found
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Speaker 6: them really patronizing towards women and indigenous people.
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Speaker 2: So now of course.
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Speaker 6: She's back, and I think she'll fit really well into
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Speaker 6: labor because she's a mean girl.
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Speaker 5: And it's full of mean girls.
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Speaker 6: But to be making these accusations she's a political opportunitist.
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Speaker 5: Well Saxon.
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Speaker 3: If she has been a victim of violence or that
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Speaker 3: incident at Perth Airport where she said she was assaulted,
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Speaker 3: I think it's really quite important that she takes action,
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Speaker 3: whether she lodges a formal complaint with the party or
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Speaker 3: with police. I know she says she was told not
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Speaker 3: to at the time, but she's no longer a member
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Speaker 3: of the Greens and you would think it would be
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Speaker 3: the responsible thing to do to report this matter.
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Speaker 7: It's absolutely the responsible thing to do that if you've
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Speaker 7: been assaulted, as Senator Derindacox has alleged, that you report
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Speaker 7: it to the police. It's the natural thing to do
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Speaker 7: and the right thing to do. But I just wanted
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Speaker 7: to add to this whole thing is that the Greens
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Speaker 7: are the party that represents the most extreme version of wokness,
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Speaker 7: the most extreme version of identity politics, and it is
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Speaker 7: the natural consequence of all these ideas put into one
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Speaker 7: that they're going to turn into each other because all
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Speaker 7: of their policies pit everybody against each other. That is
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Speaker 7: the natural consequence of this extreme form of wokeness that
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Speaker 7: they all represent. And so of course the party members
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Speaker 7: are going to go after one another because they've been
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Speaker 7: trying to piece Australians and the general public of Australians
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Speaker 7: again each other.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 3: I find that those who are obsessed with race and
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Speaker 3: racial issues often do find themselves on the wrong side
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Speaker 3: of these issues because they see everything through that filter
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Speaker 3: of racial politics. Now, US Secretary of State Mark or
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Speaker 3: Arubio has unleashed on a number of nations, including Australia,
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Speaker 3: for placing sanctions on two senior Israeli ministers, the National
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Speaker 3: Security Minister and the Finance Minister. Ribio said in a
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Speaker 3: statement that these sanctions do not advance US led efforts
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Speaker 3: to cheap a cease fire, bring all hostages home, and
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Speaker 3: end the war, and that the United States urges the
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Speaker 3: reversal of the sanctions and stands shoulder to shoulder with Israel.
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Speaker 5: Here's what Australia is.
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Speaker 3: A Foreign Minister, Penny Wong had to say about this matter.
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Speaker 8: Australia has applied targeted financial sanctions and travel bands to
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Speaker 8: two senior ministers in the Israeli government it Ministers Bengevie
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Speaker 8: and Smotrich, for their role in serious human rights violations
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Speaker 8: and abuses relating to Israeli settler violence in the West Bank.
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Speaker 8: We have applied those measures in coordination with Canada, New Zealand,
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Speaker 8: Norway and the United Kingdom, and together these countries are
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Speaker 8: sending a message you have ignored the international community and
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Speaker 8: we do not tolerate it.
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Speaker 3: Saxon, what is this action by Australia and a bunch
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Speaker 3: of other countries, UK, Canada, Norway, New Zealand.
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Speaker 5: What's it likely to achieve.
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Speaker 7: It's probably going to worsen the massive anti Semitism crisis
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Speaker 7: that we have here in Australia that we've witnessed ever
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Speaker 7: since October seventh and twenty twenty three. I mean, other
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Speaker 7: than that, I don't see any point why we should
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Speaker 7: involve ourselves in a conflict in the Middle East, particularly,
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Speaker 7: and also we should not be undermining the only liberal
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Speaker 7: democracy in the Middle East in a war against terrorism.
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Speaker 7: I don't think this is will achieved months much in
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Speaker 7: the broader global politic, but it will certainly found the
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Speaker 7: flames of anti sensus.
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Speaker 3: Well, certainly upset the Americans prove. I mean, that is
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Speaker 3: not a good situation. Right before the PM is due
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Speaker 3: to meet with President Trump. To have the US condemning
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Speaker 3: our action, you really have got to wonder what we
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Speaker 3: are thinking.
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Speaker 6: It's going to be quite an uncomfortable meeting. I think
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Speaker 6: for alban easy with Trump because we're out of step
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Speaker 6: with them in so many ways. But this in particular,
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Speaker 6: this government hasn't got a mandate. They didn't go to
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Speaker 6: the voters and say that this is what they're going
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Speaker 6: to do to Israel.
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Speaker 2: How dare they?
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Speaker 6: And it's so extraordinary that we have this situation where
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Speaker 6: we have a democracy, the only democracy that in the
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Speaker 6: Middle East, that is being attacked and sanctioned by so.
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Speaker 2: You know the rest of US.
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Speaker 5: And it's appalling what's going on.
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Speaker 6: What about the misdirection of your anks to ham us
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Speaker 6: the terrorists, That's what you sho should be doing. And
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Speaker 6: the fact that Albanize is going to be, you know,
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Speaker 6: coming cap in hand to Trump about the tariffs and
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Speaker 6: the trade. Plus of course he's got to somehow's you know,
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Speaker 6: defend his lack of spending on defense and now this
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Speaker 6: it's going to be a very uncomfortable meeting.
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Speaker 5: It's not making it easy for himself.
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Speaker 3: Now, before you go to go, I need to get
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Speaker 3: your take on the project being no more. It's been
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Speaker 3: revealed now that nearly one hundred jobs will be impacted
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Speaker 3: by Channel ten's decision to acts. It's a flagship current
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Speaker 3: carent affairs program. It's been on air sixteen years. There
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Speaker 3: were reportedly proof tears in the newsroom as a Channel
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Speaker 3: ten president Beverly mcgavey address staffed and told them that
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Speaker 3: the lefty talkfest shouldn't call it that.
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Speaker 5: That's my term.
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Speaker 3: She said, it just doesn't stack up any longer. She
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Speaker 3: also said it's a click baity show and you guys
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Speaker 3: had to live through that. But I think more than anything,
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Speaker 3: there's a lot to be proud of, and we're really
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Speaker 3: proud of the show, and we're really sad this day
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Speaker 3: had to come, and it's just a reality that it
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Speaker 3: did well. I don't know how sad she is. Those
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Speaker 3: comments are a little bit all over the place. Proue
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Speaker 3: are you going to miss the project? And know some
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Speaker 3: people like hate watching.
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Speaker 6: It, Well, frankly, I've never I can't stand it. I
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Speaker 6: would never watch it because a bunch of poor community
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Speaker 6: medians trying to be funny about, you know, woke things
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Speaker 6: just doesn't cut it. And the writing's been on the
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Speaker 6: wall for that show. It's been on borrowed time for
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Speaker 6: so long because the ratings have been so pathetic and
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Speaker 6: they've been out of sync. That and Q and A
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Speaker 6: I will be dancing on their graves. I'm very sad
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Speaker 6: for the people who've lost their jobs, the people behind
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Speaker 6: the news, the cameras, But otherwise, good riddance.
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Speaker 5: Saxon.
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Speaker 3: You're a millennial, You're the target demographic for this program.
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Speaker 5: Will you miss it?
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Speaker 3: Have you been hate watching it or in fact admiring it?
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Speaker 5: No, I will not miss it.
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Speaker 7: And this whole thing really I mean, if a tree
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Speaker 7: falls in the forest and no one sees, it didn't
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Speaker 7: really happen. It's the same with Q and A. As
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Speaker 7: Pruce said, this isn't going to really change the media
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Speaker 7: diet of many Australians. I'm surprised it's survived for sixteen years.
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Speaker 7: Considering that, I mean, the ratings have been suffering ever
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Speaker 7: since or twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, it's almost a decade ago. Now,
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Speaker 7: I'm really surprised it has lasted this long and I
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Speaker 7: don't think this will meaningfully change any Australian's life.
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Speaker 5: Well no, but it will.
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Speaker 3: You know, we have enjoyed the content occasionally because it
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Speaker 3: does give me a little bit of a little bit
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Speaker 3: of content to play with for Lefties Losing It and
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Speaker 3: other related segments.
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Speaker 5: But you know, I'm getting no love for the program.
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Speaker 3: This is now the second night where I've had just
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Speaker 3: a panel who refused to have watched this program. How
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Speaker 3: can this be sixteen years? It's one logis Saxon Davidson.
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Speaker 5: From McSween thank you for your time tonight, joining.
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Speaker 3: Me now is one of the finest thinkers of his generation,
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Speaker 3: an author of best selling works, including his latest on
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Speaker 3: democracies and death cults.
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Speaker 5: Douglas Murray.
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Speaker 3: There's a new author who hopes to be an international
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Speaker 3: best seller to She has a book called A Different
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Speaker 3: Kind of Power, and she's got oprah sprooking it.
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Speaker 2: The different kind of power is kindness.
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Speaker 9: Absolutely, It's all those things that you think are weaknesses
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Speaker 9: or a taught a weaknesses.
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Speaker 6: Empathy, sensitivity, self doubt and humility.
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Speaker 2: That powerful.
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Speaker 3: Douglas, you've called Lisinda Adirn, the Queen of performative.
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Speaker 5: Caring in the past.
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Speaker 3: Did she exercise what she preaches when she was Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister of New Zealand.
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Speaker 1: Well, very much not.
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Speaker 9: And it's so bewildering that clip with Oprah because Jasindra
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Speaker 9: Arden says all the things we're taught the weaknesses like empathy.
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Speaker 9: I'm sorry, as I know in the education systems across
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Speaker 9: Western countries it's nothing but empathy. Most of politics, the
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Speaker 9: media and education is all that we should all be
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Speaker 9: as empathetic as possible and we have to understand other people,
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Speaker 9: and we're not taught that that's a weakness. If anything,
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Speaker 9: everyone is overstuffed with the idea that it's the single
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Speaker 9: greatest virtue and as just into our edit, shwe and
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Speaker 9: demonstrated I when she was premier. The fact is that
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Speaker 9: it doesn't get you very far, certainly doesn't get you everywhere.
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Speaker 9: Simply being somebody who says they feel empathy or speaking
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Speaker 9: in a sort of broken husky voice, sounds like it's
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Speaker 9: going to crack with emotion at any moment because you're
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Speaker 9: just so overwhelmed with empathy. Can actually do some pretty
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Speaker 9: mean and unpleasant things to people, like going through the
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Speaker 9: harshest lockdowns of I think any country outside of the
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Speaker 9: communist world during the COVID pandemic, it's quite extraordinary. And
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Speaker 9: also from somebody who says that things like self doubt
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Speaker 9: taught as sort of things that are problems. Again, no,
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Speaker 9: I mean I wish Cindra Aden had had more self doubt.
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Speaker 9: She said on the recent book tour that she think
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Speaker 9: she wasn't sort of suited to be Prime minister. I
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Speaker 9: wish she'd have that self doubt a few years ago,
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Speaker 9: because she could have saved her countrymen an awful lot
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Speaker 9: of heartache.
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Speaker 3: She could have had all that sensitivity and empathy was
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Speaker 3: missing when she was even preventing doug pregnant New Zealand
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Speaker 3: women from returning home. There was a case I covered
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Speaker 3: at the time of a woman who had to reach
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Speaker 3: out to the Taliban for help because she was in
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Speaker 3: Afghanistan because New Zealand would not permit her to return
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Speaker 3: to give birth to her child.
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Speaker 5: But while we're.
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Speaker 3: Talking about performative caring, Greta Thunberg has been deported from
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Speaker 3: Israel in economy class the humanity or dear and Douglas.
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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump wants her to consider anger management classes.
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Speaker 10: She's a strange person. She's a young, angry person. I
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Speaker 10: don't know if it's real anger. It's hard to believe, actually,
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Speaker 10: but I saw what happened anger management. I think she
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Speaker 10: has to go to an anger management class. That's my
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Speaker 10: primary recommendation for her.
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Speaker 3: But Greta remains a heroine too many, including to this
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Speaker 3: far left activist in Australia. She's an influencer who recently
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Speaker 3: Douglas gave an address at the National Press.
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Speaker 11: Club raising awareness, drawing attention to, and growing media coverage
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Speaker 11: for this genocide that Israel is perpetraarying against Palestinians is
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Speaker 11: not Instagram activism or social media selfies. Let's talk about
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Speaker 11: the fact that raising awareness is not weakness and that's
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Speaker 11: not performative.
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Speaker 5: Douglas, what's your response to that? Is that heroism?
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Speaker 3: Is she using her privilege for good as that activist claims.
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Speaker 9: Well, first of all, I've never been a fan of
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Speaker 9: Greta Thunberg. I wasn't a fan of hers, even when
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Speaker 9: she was effectively created as a construct to make people
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Speaker 9: make it masic. It impossible to oppose her because you remember,
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Speaker 9: she was a school truned from Sweden, and not only
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Speaker 9: was she a child, but she was also was she
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Speaker 9: autistic or something so you couldn't criticize her or everyone said,
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Speaker 9: why are you beating up on the autistic girl child
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Speaker 9: who simply wants to wreck all of our economies? And like,
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Speaker 9: why would you, why would you say anything negative about her?
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Speaker 9: And of course it was just it was a total
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Speaker 9: political stunt. She's clearly just sort of created in more
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Speaker 9: than one ways by her parents to sort of be
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Speaker 9: this weapon against fossil fuels and so on. I mean,
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Speaker 9: she knew nothing about that. She knew nothing about energy
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Speaker 9: costs or fossil fuel extraction or anything else. I mean,
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Speaker 9: she just left school early to be demonstrably even more
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Speaker 9: ignorant than she would have been. And then through some
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Speaker 9: weird part of her autism, perhaps she moved from loving
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Speaker 9: the green movement to loving the green movement of Hamas
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Speaker 9: and so often said, she's color consistent at any rate,
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Speaker 9: they talk about a genocide which is not going on.
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Speaker 9: But as we now know from this, yes obviously performative
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Speaker 9: piece of activism where they turned up with a boat
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Speaker 9: full of Instagrammers and less aid than Israel gets in
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Speaker 9: every other hour in normal times. This performative thing of
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Speaker 9: trying to land in Gaza. I mean, in a way
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Speaker 9: I was sorry that she didn't land, because it would
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Speaker 9: have been interesting to see the welcome that Hamaz might
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Speaker 9: have given her. But of course, what we know about
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Speaker 9: Greta Funberg and this is her unbelievable ignorance of the
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Speaker 9: conflict that she was actually trying to sail into this time.
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Speaker 9: The reports are that when the Israelis board of the
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Speaker 9: ship took them safely to port in I think an
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Speaker 9: ash DoD, and they were trying to show the activists
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Speaker 9: the footage that Hamas took themselves on October seventh of
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Speaker 9: their enormous pride in earth raping and butchering as ready
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Speaker 9: women and others, and Greta Thunberg and co. Apparently turned
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Speaker 9: their faces away because they didn't want to see the
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Speaker 9: reality that started this war. Certainly this phase of the wall,
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Speaker 9: they didn't want to see it. So once again, these
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Speaker 9: people are about raising awareness and someone they will literally
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Speaker 9: turn their faces away from reality if it doesn't fit
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Speaker 9: their bigoted, blinkered picture an idea of it.
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Speaker 3: And she was asked about that once she got off
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Speaker 3: the plane Douglas and she I think referred to the
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Speaker 3: footage as propaganda and she wasn't going to watch that propaganda.
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Speaker 3: It really is quite incredible because, as you know, you've
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Speaker 3: seen that footage.
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Speaker 5: I've seen that footage.
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Speaker 3: It comes mainly from her mass they're the ones who
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Speaker 3: filmed it, and it's the work they're very proud of.
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Speaker 3: So for her not to even have a look at
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Speaker 3: what started this war just shows you where she's at.
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Speaker 3: Let's go to the La riots. We've seen incredible scenes
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Speaker 3: of violence and destruction, lootying, arson, police officers being attacked,
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Speaker 3: and curiously, or perhaps not curiously, we've seen the Mexican
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Speaker 3: flag flying high through a lot of these protests, whilst
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Speaker 3: the American flag has been burnt, it's been spat on,
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Speaker 3: it's been stomped on. Here is one protester explaining why
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Speaker 3: he's desecrating the American flag.
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Speaker 2: I'm dragging them because they're dragging us. Immigrants built this city.
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Speaker 2: There's no denying that, and when they're trying to take
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Speaker 2: that out, it's not okay.
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Speaker 5: It's just not okay, Douglas.
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Speaker 3: Donald Trump could not have hoped for a better ad
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Speaker 3: for his immigration and his deportation policies then what we
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Speaker 3: are seeing in La right now. Just the violence and
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Speaker 3: destruction and lawlessness is I think just lending further weight
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Speaker 3: to his policies.
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Speaker 10: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: You know, if, funny enough, all of this ties up together,
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Speaker 9: doesn't it reta? I mean the Democrat policy of sanctuary cities,
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Speaker 9: where if people break into America illegally and then are
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Speaker 9: in the these cities will act as sanctuaries for them
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Speaker 9: have caused cities like Los Angeles and San Francisco to
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Speaker 9: become even Slamia than they were in the lead up
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Speaker 9: to this under massive amounts of Democrat rule. I mean
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Speaker 9: up to twelve million people around that as a conservative estimate,
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Speaker 9: broke illegally into the United States during the Biden administration,
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Speaker 9: and the Trump administration has said that they want to
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Speaker 9: prioritize deporting the more than half a million illegal migrants
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Speaker 9: who have criminal records, and it was a raided to
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Speaker 9: try to arrest criminals in Los Angeles that has led
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Speaker 9: to this outburst of rioting, of attacks on American lease
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Speaker 9: and others. And once again we see this odd thing
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Speaker 9: in our time. The Democrats when they decided not to
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Speaker 9: police the border and just to encourage people in, and
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Speaker 9: to encourage people in that include criminals, and yes, include
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Speaker 9: some people who want to be law abiding once they're
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Speaker 9: in the United States, but are costing American taxpayers whilst
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Speaker 9: they're being there by their presence, by Social Security that
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Speaker 9: they sign up for, and much more. It's they still
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Speaker 9: pretend that it's the empathetic good thing to do to
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Speaker 9: encourage from the border onwards literal lawlessness, and that anyone,
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Speaker 9: including federal agents who are trying to enforce the law,
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Speaker 9: are the bad guys. I mean, this is upside down
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Speaker 9: to a crazy extent, and your right reader, there couldn't
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Speaker 9: be a better boost to what President Trump is actually
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Speaker 9: trying to do, because he keeps saying these people who
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Speaker 9: are coming include people who hate our country. And then
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Speaker 9: the American public see people lauding the Mexican flag and
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Speaker 9: Palestinian flags and all of the others of course, and
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Speaker 9: literally burning the American flag, protecting foreign criminals, and assaulting
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Speaker 9: American police officers. I don't doubt that in a small
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Speaker 9: amount of the online left and fairly large numbers of
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Speaker 9: people on the streets of LA they want to back
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Speaker 9: the lawlessness and attack the police. But I think the
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Speaker 9: American public, as they demonstrated last year when they voted
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Speaker 9: Donald Trump back into office, have demonstrated that actually they
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Speaker 9: do side with the police. The American public do side
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Speaker 9: with law and order. They don't side with people who
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Speaker 9: pretend that it's the police that provoke disorder rather than
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Speaker 9: the rioters. They don't fall for this idea that innocent
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Speaker 9: people are just expressing their fear about about ice or
21:53
Speaker 9: anything else, and that therefore they can't resist going and
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Speaker 9: looting the local apple store in la I mean, it's
22:01
Speaker 9: so upside down all of this. And until we get
22:04
Speaker 9: past this era in which doing the wrong thing is
22:08
Speaker 9: celebrated and doing the right thing is condemned, we are
22:12
Speaker 9: going to continue to be in all of our countries
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Speaker 9: in unbelievable trouble.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, before you go, I want to ask about the
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Speaker 3: fantastic piece you had for this Spectator in recent days
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Speaker 3: on Richard Hermer's campaign against Britain. That's the headline. Douglas
22:30
Speaker 3: is the Attorney General. He says he just wants to
22:33
Speaker 3: make the world a better place. Why do you say
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Speaker 3: he has a campaign against Britain.
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Speaker 9: Once again, somebody who just wants to make the world
22:43
Speaker 9: a better place. And in the case of the Attorney
22:46
Speaker 9: General of England and Wales has in doing so, consistently
22:51
Speaker 9: warred against his own country. He's getting cover from other
22:58
Speaker 9: lawyers about this, you say, oh, no, he just accidentally
23:01
Speaker 9: ended up as the lawyer for shin fein IRA's Jerry Adams.
23:07
Speaker 9: He just you know, it happened to be his turn
23:09
Speaker 9: to represent al Qaeda terrorists, after al Qaeda terrorists, Isis
23:14
Speaker 9: families and so on, as if it could have happened
23:17
Speaker 9: to anyone.
23:17
Speaker 1: But that wasn't the case.
23:18
Speaker 9: Hermer's campaign for years as a lawyer has picked up
23:23
Speaker 9: every sort of anti British person he could and represented
23:27
Speaker 9: them as hard as he could. It's again, it's it's
23:31
Speaker 9: so bewildering in so many of our countries that in
23:34
Speaker 9: the West that we have so many people in very
23:37
Speaker 9: powerful positions who are who are against the countries whose
23:42
Speaker 9: people they're meant to be supporting they're meant to be representing.
23:46
Speaker 9: I mean, I'm just amazed.
23:48
Speaker 2: You know.
23:48
Speaker 9: I would like the British government to have the interests
23:51
Speaker 9: of the British people at heart, as I would like
23:53
Speaker 9: the Australian government to have the cares of the Australian
23:56
Speaker 9: people at heart, and the American government have the cares
23:58
Speaker 9: of the American people at heart. But again and again
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Speaker 9: we have elected and in this case unelected representatives who
24:05
Speaker 9: just seem to have spent their career hating the country
24:07
Speaker 9: that they then want to represent. I don't know what
24:10
Speaker 9: we've done in all of our countries to deserve people
24:14
Speaker 9: at the top of our societies who are meant to
24:17
Speaker 9: be looking out for us, looking out for everyone apart
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Speaker 9: from us.
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Speaker 3: There's this self loathing that is so prevalent, isn't it.
24:27
Speaker 3: And in the political class, in the activist academic class,
24:30
Speaker 3: amongst celebrities, it's fairly dominant in the culture, and it's
24:34
Speaker 3: pretty disturbing. And I noticed the Attorney General recently compared
24:39
Speaker 3: the Tories and reformed to the Nazis, so he's as
24:42
Speaker 3: a great thinker as well.
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Speaker 5: They're Douglas Murray. He has apologized for that.
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Speaker 3: Douglas Murray, thank you so much for your time tonight.
24:51
Speaker 1: Great pleasure as always.
24:52
Speaker 5: Still to karma lefties losing it.
24:55
Speaker 3: Plus Donald Trump records a huge surge and support from.
24:59
Speaker 5: Migrant at the left, and see that coming. Tinum McQueen
25:03
Speaker 5: has the lagers.
25:13
Speaker 3: You're watching the Rita Patty Show, and it's time for
25:15
Speaker 3: lefties losing it and the hopeless. LA Mayor has called
25:19
Speaker 3: for a curfew as a violence and destruction continues. But
25:23
Speaker 3: don't tell Maxine Waters that. No, the veteran Democrat congresswoman
25:27
Speaker 3: claims there's no violence.
25:30
Speaker 4: Even those who were out of step with what we're advocating.
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Speaker 2: Peaceful protest did not create any violence. Nobody was shock,
25:39
Speaker 2: nobody was killed. Get it in your head. And so when.
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Speaker 4: Martial law is called, what are you going to say?
25:45
Speaker 4: I missed the pont don't miss the point. You all
25:48
Speaker 4: don't think that somehow because they called out the National
25:52
Speaker 4: Guard there was vital There was no violence.
25:55
Speaker 2: I was on the street, I.
25:57
Speaker 4: Know, and I went from downtown Detention back out into
26:00
Speaker 4: the community talking to people. What happened in Paramount, what
26:04
Speaker 4: happened in come To, what happened in Inglewood. So first
26:08
Speaker 4: of all, get it straight and don't just rely on
26:12
Speaker 4: what you've been told.
26:13
Speaker 2: Are the few incidents that you start.
26:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, no violence. You all are just believe Maxine Waters.
26:19
Speaker 3: Don't believe your lying eyes. Meanwhile, Nancy Pelosi is wondering
26:24
Speaker 3: whether all the violence and arson is the work of
26:26
Speaker 3: mysterious anarchists or is it just the exuberance of the moment.
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Speaker 12: When there is a gathering, a large gathering of people,
26:36
Speaker 12: the anarchists see it as an opportunity and they move in.
26:41
Speaker 12: So always have to be careful whether you see a
26:43
Speaker 12: burned car or broken window or whatever it is. It
26:46
Speaker 12: may be the exuberance of the moment, but it may
26:50
Speaker 12: be the anarchist setting.
26:52
Speaker 5: In exuberance of the moment. Unbelievable. But the lines did
26:56
Speaker 5: not stop there from Nancy.
26:57
Speaker 3: She also said this earlier today, and what you're about
27:01
Speaker 3: to hear is the opposite of what actually happened on
27:04
Speaker 3: January sixth.
27:05
Speaker 5: You know, the only riot in.
27:06
Speaker 3: The past decade the Democrats haven't loved.
27:09
Speaker 12: On January sixth, with violence against the Constitution, against the Congress,
27:15
Speaker 12: and against the United States Capital. We begged the President
27:18
Speaker 12: of the United States to send in the National Guard.
27:24
Speaker 12: He would not do it. Not only would he not
27:27
Speaker 12: do it when law enforcement people were being harmed. Let
27:32
Speaker 12: some leader have died. Who will not send it in?
27:36
Speaker 3: Where does one start? No, Nancy did not request the
27:40
Speaker 3: National Guard. It was Donald Trump who urged their use.
27:42
Speaker 3: It was Nancy Pelosi, who was speaker then, who ignored
27:45
Speaker 3: that urging and ignored the desperate cause of the Capitol
27:49
Speaker 3: police chief who wanted back up, and of course no
27:52
Speaker 3: cops were killed on January sixth, or because of January sixth.
27:56
Speaker 5: All these people do is lie and.
27:58
Speaker 3: These protests, these it's are spreading to other Democrat strongholds
28:03
Speaker 3: like New York, Chicago, San Francisco. Let's see this interaction
28:07
Speaker 3: in New York and doesn't this sum up the anti
28:09
Speaker 3: Trump left. Watch these two white protesters mock a black
28:14
Speaker 3: woman who just wants to go to work to feed
28:17
Speaker 3: her kids.
28:28
Speaker 2: I can't know, you could just know.
28:33
Speaker 5: How is it the people.
28:36
Speaker 3: Not only do they ignore her please and lecture her
28:39
Speaker 3: that this is peace as they block the roads, they
28:43
Speaker 3: then laugh at her for wanting to go to work.
28:45
Speaker 8: An white people feel about starting a black woman from
28:48
Speaker 8: going to.
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Speaker 13: Work, Oh no, not worse.
28:53
Speaker 8: So you don't care about starting black people from going
28:55
Speaker 8: to work.
28:56
Speaker 3: And this is what immigrant voters really think about Donald
28:59
Speaker 3: Trump immigration and deportation policy.
29:03
Speaker 14: Take it away CNN, Immigrant citizens, immigrant voters, foreign born
29:07
Speaker 14: voters have gone tremendously to the right on this issue
29:11
Speaker 14: in twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five versus where
29:13
Speaker 14: they were in twenty twenty closest to or trust more
29:15
Speaker 14: in immigration.
29:15
Speaker 2: You go back to twenty twenty.
29:17
Speaker 14: Democrats get this, held a thirty two point lead on
29:20
Speaker 14: this issue. Immigrant voters were in the Democratic camp. Jump
29:23
Speaker 14: forward to twenty twenty four to twenty twenty five. Look
29:25
Speaker 14: at that shift, a forty point shift to the right
29:29
Speaker 14: among immigrant voters. Republicans now lead on this issue by
29:34
Speaker 14: eight points over Democrats, more so than any other group
29:37
Speaker 14: that I could find. The group of voters who became
29:40
Speaker 14: more hawkish on immigration were in fact immigrants themselves, immigrants
29:44
Speaker 14: who were registered to vote in this country.
29:47
Speaker 3: And those immigrant voters are becoming increasingly pro Trump. Despite
29:52
Speaker 3: the NonStop lies and hysteria from the media painting Trump
29:57
Speaker 3: of some sort of racist.
29:58
Speaker 14: There is no block voters that shifted more to the
30:02
Speaker 14: rate from twenty twenty to twenty twenty four than immigrant voters,
30:06
Speaker 14: and Donald Trump, at least in some surveys, actually won
30:09
Speaker 14: that vote. On average, it's about equal.
30:12
Speaker 2: So there may be all this.
30:13
Speaker 14: Stuff right about undocumented immigrants and Trump being harsh on them,
30:16
Speaker 14: but immigrant voters themselves have increasingly liked Donald Trump and
30:20
Speaker 14: have increasingly moved to the right on immigration into the
30:23
Speaker 14: Republican camp.
30:24
Speaker 3: Joining me now is Sky News contributor Tina McQueen. Tina,
30:28
Speaker 3: no group of voters has more strongly moved into the
30:32
Speaker 3: Trump camp than immigrants, legal immigrants, and that's something that
30:36
Speaker 3: would blow the mind of the average political pundit.
30:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right.
30:42
Speaker 15: Look, most of these legal immigrants have left countries where
30:46
Speaker 15: they're fearful of gangs of you know, turmoil, So they're
30:50
Speaker 15: very protective of their status in America and are very
30:54
Speaker 15: reluctant and do not want these violent thugs, illegal thugs
30:58
Speaker 15: from other countries entering at all.
31:03
Speaker 3: And one of the reasons for Trump having such strong
31:06
Speaker 3: backing on this issue from immigrants is that their view
31:10
Speaker 3: of illegal immigrants has changed markedly, really shifted dramatically in
31:16
Speaker 3: a few years.
31:17
Speaker 16: Let's have a look at that data, how immigrant citizens
31:20
Speaker 16: voters feel about people in the country illegally.
31:24
Speaker 14: Yeah, and this is where it all kind of comes together,
31:26
Speaker 14: Cape Paul. When look at this the net favorable rating
31:28
Speaker 14: immigrants who are here illegally among immigrants citizens again, those
31:31
Speaker 14: registered to vote in twenty twenty, look at this plus
31:34
Speaker 14: twenty three points on the net favorable rating.
31:36
Speaker 2: But look at where we were in.
31:37
Speaker 14: Twenty twenty four minus six points underwater. So immigrant citizens
31:42
Speaker 14: have become increasingly unfavorable in their views of those immigrants
31:46
Speaker 14: who are here illegally.
31:47
Speaker 2: So I think it's so important when we're.
31:49
Speaker 14: Talking about this debate from a political angle, to separate
31:52
Speaker 14: those out who are undocumented immigrants versus those who are
31:55
Speaker 14: here legally and those who are citizens and those who
31:58
Speaker 14: are voters.
31:59
Speaker 3: And Tina think a lot of legal immigrants are seek
32:03
Speaker 3: of being compared to illegal immigrants, having the issue conflated
32:07
Speaker 3: as if the term immigrant covers both groups when it doesn't,
32:12
Speaker 3: and a lot of people on the left, a lot
32:14
Speaker 3: of the so called liberals in America make that mistake
32:17
Speaker 3: consistently now. Gavin Newsom, the governor of California, claimed today
32:22
Speaker 3: that Donald Trump has not called him, not even left
32:25
Speaker 3: a voicemail.
32:27
Speaker 5: He also said.
32:28
Speaker 3: Americans should be alarmed that a president deploying marines onto
32:31
Speaker 3: our streets doesn't even know who he's talking to. That's
32:35
Speaker 3: what newsm claimed that prompted Donald Trump to show the receipts.
32:40
Speaker 2: He said.
32:41
Speaker 16: The first call the Gavin Newsom was not picked up.
32:43
Speaker 16: The second call Gavin picked up. We spoke for sixteen
32:45
Speaker 16: minutes I told him to essentially quote, and this is
32:48
Speaker 16: quoting the president, get his ass and gear and stop
32:50
Speaker 16: the riots which were out of control. More than anything else,
32:53
Speaker 16: this shows what a liar he is. Said, I never called.
32:56
Speaker 16: So here is the evidence, and here is the call
32:59
Speaker 16: log that the President sent me from his phone. This
33:02
Speaker 16: was Dune the seventh.
33:05
Speaker 3: Oh, there's so much to unpack there, but let's start
33:08
Speaker 3: off with how does the governor forget a sixteen minute
33:11
Speaker 3: phone call with the president?
33:13
Speaker 2: Oh?
33:14
Speaker 15: Look, he's got selective memory. It's just ridiculous. And what
33:17
Speaker 15: discussed me more about Gavin Newsom. He is such a
33:20
Speaker 15: liar today. I watched that speech that he tried to
33:23
Speaker 15: put out, but there were so many technical difficulties. He
33:26
Speaker 15: said that Trump was holding a military parade for his
33:29
Speaker 15: birthday on June the fourteenth. So deceptive. It's the US
33:33
Speaker 15: Army's two hundred and fiftieth birthday on June fifteenth. It's
33:37
Speaker 15: also flat day that has been celebrated since seventeen seventy seven.
33:42
Speaker 15: I can't believe that Newsom gets away with this. He's
33:44
Speaker 15: a deceptive liar trying to damage Trump. And this has
33:48
Speaker 15: to be called out consistently.
33:52
Speaker 2: Oh.
33:52
Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I think a lot of people see this
33:56
Speaker 3: as a big win for Gavin Neuism, that all the
33:59
Speaker 3: lefties and calor going to band around backing him and
34:02
Speaker 3: he'll again be the favorite to be the next Democrat
34:06
Speaker 3: presidential candidate. But I can't see how he is going
34:10
Speaker 3: to win holding these positions. He is just going radically
34:13
Speaker 3: left again. After showing signs of moderating now played earlier
34:19
Speaker 3: Maxine Waters Congresswoman Maxine Waters claiming that there is no
34:24
Speaker 3: violence or lawlesseners during these protests.
34:27
Speaker 4: Don't think that somehow because they called out the National.
34:31
Speaker 2: Guard there was violence. There was no validce. I was
34:35
Speaker 2: on the street.
34:36
Speaker 4: I know, get a street, and don't just rely on
34:40
Speaker 4: what you're being told. Are the few incidents that you
34:43
Speaker 4: saw there was no valid Of.
34:46
Speaker 3: Course, the footage of what's really happening has been a
34:49
Speaker 3: superpose behind her there. But what do you make of
34:53
Speaker 3: how the Democrats have responded to these rides. She's a
34:57
Speaker 3: veteran congresswoman and she not alone and trying to deny
35:02
Speaker 3: the violence and just standing with these rioters.
35:06
Speaker 15: Look, they're delusional, And I think going back to the
35:09
Speaker 15: Black Lives Matter movement and the George Floyd, I think
35:13
Speaker 15: they think it worked for them men, when there is
35:15
Speaker 15: such an anti Trump feelings, it's not working.
35:19
Speaker 5: Now people are waking up to it.
35:21
Speaker 15: They don't want violence in their cities and to be
35:23
Speaker 15: the normal American just looks at them and scratches their head.
35:26
Speaker 15: Then what are you going on about? Turn the television on,
35:29
Speaker 15: look at the vision. It's absolutely insane that they continue
35:33
Speaker 15: to say that these are peaceful protests. It's unbelievable.
35:38
Speaker 3: Reader, Well, we know they're not peaceful because even the
35:42
Speaker 3: Democrat mayor of LA has now instituted a curfew, so
35:49
Speaker 3: they don't do that lightly. But she said that there's
35:53
Speaker 3: just so much violence and lawlessness, so many shops being looted,
35:57
Speaker 3: so much damage being done to.
36:00
Speaker 5: That she's had to take this action now to.
36:05
Speaker 15: Five days or sorry read, it's a shame it took
36:07
Speaker 15: her five days to instill that.
36:10
Speaker 3: But well, exactly because she was amongst the head in
36:17
Speaker 3: the sand cruz In claiming that, yeah, there was nothing
36:19
Speaker 3: to see here, and Donald Trump was overreacting, calling the
36:22
Speaker 3: National Guard in Now.
36:24
Speaker 5: President Trump announced earlier.
36:25
Speaker 3: Today that he will restore the names of Fort Robert E.
36:29
Speaker 3: Lee and six other military bases that honor Confederate War
36:33
Speaker 3: leaders for a.
36:34
Speaker 10: Little breaking news. We are also going to be restoring
36:39
Speaker 10: the names.
36:40
Speaker 17: To Fort Pickett, Fort Hood, Fort Gordon, Fort Brooker, Fort Polk,
36:47
Speaker 17: Fort ap Hill, and Fort Robert E.
36:51
Speaker 5: Lee.
36:56
Speaker 2: We won a lot of battles out of those forts.
36:59
Speaker 2: It's snooked time.
37:00
Speaker 3: Jange, Tina, Joe Biden renamed those bases honoring the Confederates.
37:06
Speaker 3: Back in twenty twenty three, the nation's largest base, brag
37:10
Speaker 3: was briefly known as Fort Liberty.
37:13
Speaker 5: But all that is over, Tina.
37:16
Speaker 15: Yeah, and I think, look, it's a great thing to do,
37:18
Speaker 15: as I said, particularly on the two hundred and fiftieth
37:21
Speaker 15: and birth of the US Army, to honor these legends
37:24
Speaker 15: that the military have a great respect for. And we're
37:27
Speaker 15: absolutely disgusted when Joe Biden did what he did and
37:31
Speaker 15: renamed them.
37:35
Speaker 3: Well, the military has really been boosted under Donald Trump,
37:39
Speaker 3: hasn't it. We've seen record recruitment numbers, we're hearing morale
37:43
Speaker 3: is high again, and there's just been such a dramatic
37:48
Speaker 3: shift in the culture of the place.
37:51
Speaker 15: There's now a great respect for the military, and you've
37:53
Speaker 15: got Pete Heskeith doing a fabulous job, and you know,
37:57
Speaker 15: people are proud now to join a four that they
38:00
Speaker 15: see is honorable and doing the right thing. And you know,
38:04
Speaker 15: you don't have to be some sort of DEI program
38:07
Speaker 15: to further your career in the army. They see as
38:10
Speaker 15: a legitimate career move. So it's a good thing.
38:12
Speaker 5: RETA. It's great to see.
38:13
Speaker 15: I wish it would happen in Australia quite.
38:15
Speaker 3: Frankly, absolutely return meritocracy to the military.
38:21
Speaker 9: Now.
38:21
Speaker 3: There has been some disquiet from elements of the Trump
38:24
Speaker 3: base about the lack of arrests by the FBI, some
38:29
Speaker 3: criticism of cash Patel. Here is Cash Pateel, the FBI director,
38:33
Speaker 3: explaining what his team is finding and what they're doing.
38:37
Speaker 18: When I first got to the bureau, found a room
38:41
Speaker 18: that Comy and others hid from the world in the
38:47
Speaker 18: Hoover Building, full of documents and computer hard draves that
38:50
Speaker 18: no one had ever seen or heard of. Lock the
38:53
Speaker 18: key and hit access and just said, no one's ever
38:58
Speaker 18: going to find this place.
38:59
Speaker 3: What.
39:00
Speaker 18: Yeah, So my guys are going through that rate now,
39:03
Speaker 18: what's in there?
39:04
Speaker 2: A lot of stuff?
39:06
Speaker 18: I mean, that's the thing. People are like, well, okay,
39:08
Speaker 18: go arrest them, and I'm like, okay, well how about
39:09
Speaker 18: you let me run a methodical investigation.
39:12
Speaker 3: Ah, this is going to take time, Tina, And that's
39:14
Speaker 3: if they find.
39:16
Speaker 5: Evidence of criminality.
39:17
Speaker 3: You would think whoever's been guilty there has had plenty
39:21
Speaker 3: of time to destroy the evidence.
39:22
Speaker 5: They knew there was going to be a change in administration.
39:26
Speaker 3: Are we going to see those arrests that so many
39:28
Speaker 3: in the BASEA wanting to see?
39:32
Speaker 15: Look, I think you will, but as you said, it
39:33
Speaker 15: takes time. And it's great to see such transparency and
39:37
Speaker 15: such honesty from the government, but it will take time.
39:41
Speaker 15: But I think, yeah, Cash Betel, he's not going to
39:43
Speaker 15: muck around readA, not at all.
39:47
Speaker 5: No, No, I don't think you will.
39:48
Speaker 3: Before you go, I've played examples of the American media
39:53
Speaker 3: doing its best to paint these violent protests as mostly peaceful,
39:57
Speaker 3: just like they did with BLM and Antifa. They're blaming
40:00
Speaker 3: the administration for the violence that's happening. And one man
40:05
Speaker 3: who would ordinarily be doing that, but he's not at
40:07
Speaker 3: the moment, Tina, because he's been suspended by his employer.
40:11
Speaker 3: That's ABC's Terry Moran. He was suspended after this bizarre
40:16
Speaker 3: tirade against President Trump and Steven Miller.
40:20
Speaker 5: Part of it I'll just read you a little bit
40:22
Speaker 5: of it, because it went on for some time.
40:23
Speaker 3: He said, it's not brains, it's bile. Miller is a
40:27
Speaker 3: man who is richly endowed with a capacity for hatred.
40:30
Speaker 3: He's a world class hater. And he also said you
40:33
Speaker 3: can see this just by looking at him, because you
40:36
Speaker 3: can see that his hatreds are his spiritual nourishment. He
40:40
Speaker 3: eats his hate. I mean, the whole thing was crazy.
40:44
Speaker 3: And now there's reports coming out of the ABC that
40:48
Speaker 3: his colleagues, at least some of them who are talking
40:51
Speaker 3: to the New York Posts, are saying they want to
40:53
Speaker 3: see him sack. They don't want to just see his
40:55
Speaker 3: suspension because it makes all of them look terrible.
40:59
Speaker 15: Well not an that it's costs ABC millions of dollars,
41:02
Speaker 15: So presenters are now going to tread more carefully regarding Trump.
41:07
Speaker 15: They don't want to cost their jobs and television stations
41:11
Speaker 15: any more any more money. But yeah, I think they
41:14
Speaker 15: are calling for you sack, and hopefully he will be
41:16
Speaker 15: sack and tautal lesson.
41:20
Speaker 3: And it was only a few weeks ago that he
41:22
Speaker 3: got a one on one interview with Donald Trumps and
41:25
Speaker 3: how quickly things changed Tina McQueen, Thank you so much
41:28
Speaker 3: for your time tonight.
41:29
Speaker 5: Thanks reata still to come.
41:31
Speaker 3: An Australian Ivy League student blows the lid on the
41:34
Speaker 3: culture of censorship at Harvard.
41:36
Speaker 5: David Hogan joins me next. Welcome back.
41:48
Speaker 3: Joining me now is an Australian Ivy League student who
41:51
Speaker 3: has experienced first hand the climate of hostility and censorship
41:55
Speaker 3: at Harvard University, where he's studying for his master's degree.
41:59
Speaker 3: David Hogan, Welcome to the program. David, what do you
42:03
Speaker 3: make of these accusations? We keep hearing of anti semitism
42:07
Speaker 3: at Harvard and even coordination with the Chinese Communist Party
42:12
Speaker 3: at the university. The Trump administration is certainly at war
42:15
Speaker 3: with the university. What has been your on campus experience?
42:22
Speaker 1: So thanks for having me read.
42:24
Speaker 13: Obviously, these are very serious allegations and serious issues that
42:27
Speaker 13: I think all people can come and agree that it
42:30
Speaker 13: shouldn't be happening in terms of anti Semitism and any
42:33
Speaker 13: other accusations. I've personally had a fantastic experience. I've always
42:36
Speaker 13: wanted to attend Harvard and I've had a great time
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Speaker 13: with great academics, and luckily I did miss most of
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Speaker 13: the protests in terms of guys that have happened more
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Speaker 13: immediately after October seventh than also last year.
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Speaker 1: But overall I've had a great time.
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Speaker 13: But as others have mentioned before, our free speech is
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Speaker 13: still something that I've encountered and had slightly on campus,
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Speaker 13: and that something that I think these actions from the
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Speaker 13: administration are correct and taking on.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, we do know that treatment of Jews has
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Speaker 3: been fairly horrendous at Harvard, particularly since October seven.
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Speaker 5: You mentioned free speech, What are your concerns with that?
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Speaker 3: Are you concerned about how people with conservative views are treated?
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Speaker 1: That's definitely the point that I'm referring to.
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Speaker 13: So I think, like many universities across the West, Harvard
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Speaker 13: and others in the US in terms of the IP League.
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Speaker 1: Do at times have an environment where it isn't.
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Speaker 13: Always entirely accepted or looked upon favorably for people to
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Speaker 13: have conservative viewpoints. I have a lot of friends and
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Speaker 13: a lot of fellow students that often aren't comfortable to
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Speaker 13: express viewpoints given that they are shot down often rapidly
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Speaker 13: and can impact people's academic performance. So it's something that
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Speaker 13: I think really needs to be sorted out broadly across
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Speaker 13: the West, not only at Harvard, but this is something
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Speaker 13: that is so crucial to the continuation of our civilization
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Speaker 13: and the continuing excellence of our academic institutions. People should
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Speaker 13: be able to speak freely, particularly with conservative views, which
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Speaker 13: we know, say, for example, in the US, were the
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Speaker 13: majority of the last election. So I think this is
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Speaker 13: something that people really need to be able to feel
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Speaker 13: comfortable enough, and that comes not only from their fellow
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Speaker 13: students acting respectfully, but also from having academics and professors
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Speaker 13: that are open to these views won't look to shut.
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Speaker 1: Them down and penalize them as soon as they're.
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Speaker 3: Express Well, it seems incredible that mainstream views and you said,
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Speaker 3: you know, we've just had an election and Trump one
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Speaker 3: in the landslide. But if you express those views that
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Speaker 3: are held by the mainstream, you can find yourself on
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Speaker 3: the outer or at a university like Harvard. Do conservatives
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Speaker 3: self censor they or do they speak freely and risk
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Speaker 3: having their mark affected or having hostility from the other students.
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Speaker 13: I'd say yes, certainly. It's something that people are very
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Speaker 13: aware of. We obviously are prioritizing getting through our degree
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Speaker 13: and getting through it as smoothly and efficiently as possible
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Speaker 13: in terms of academic performance. So people definitely do self
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Speaker 13: censor in the sense of not fully expressing their views
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Speaker 13: at times in order to try and appease the markers
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Speaker 13: and fellow classmates.
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Speaker 1: At times.
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Speaker 13: I've had an instance where I was told that it
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Speaker 13: was better for me not to express conservative views, would
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Speaker 13: have a specific professor just given that they had quite
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Speaker 13: an opposite world view to mind at times, and that
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Speaker 13: would just be easier for the class and for my
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Speaker 13: academic performance in terms of that, well, those explicit instances
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Speaker 13: might be rare. There is typically a general feeling that
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Speaker 13: it's better just to keep those use to yourself and
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Speaker 13: keep them for the pub after class. But as I said,
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Speaker 13: I think this is something that's happening across the West,
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Speaker 13: it's happening back in Australia unfortunately as well, and it's
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Speaker 13: something that again I think our broader education system needs
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Speaker 13: to deal with, and really I think it's an existential thing.
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Speaker 3: Oh, it's definitely happening right here in Australia and have
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Speaker 3: plenty of students who self censor, who put things down
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Speaker 3: in assignments to appease their lecturers, who obviously are very left,
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Speaker 3: so they know they've got to get a better mark
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Speaker 3: if they regurgitate those views back to the lecturers. Tell
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Speaker 3: me about that example you just mentioned. Did you end
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Speaker 3: up self censoring there or not expressing yourself freely to
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Speaker 3: make sure you didn't fall out of the lecturer?
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Speaker 13: Well, I did, Excuse me, I did in that instance,
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Speaker 13: just I wanted to get through the class and I
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Speaker 13: suppose it's about picking a battles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did have to in.
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Speaker 13: That instance, and I thought I'd be doing my classmates
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Speaker 13: a favor if I wasn't pulling up there like through
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Speaker 13: every time they said something.
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, I think a lot that's happening a
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Speaker 3: great deal, which is such a shame because university should
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Speaker 3: be exposed to diverse views and really be able to
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Speaker 3: engage in some critical thinking. Now, right now, you may
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Speaker 3: be in a bit of limbo, along with about one
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Speaker 3: hundred other Australian students caught up in Donald Trump's decision
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Speaker 3: to revoke Harvard's Student and Exchange Visitor Program certification. Do
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Speaker 3: you expect to finish your degree at Harvard? We've had
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Speaker 3: the US Secretary of Education Linda McMahon just saying recently
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Speaker 3: she needs Harvard to show that they are serious about
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Speaker 3: combating anti semitism and to better screen foreign students. Do
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Speaker 3: you expect to finish your degree at Harvard?
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Speaker 1: I definitely do. I'm on track to finish at the
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Speaker 1: end of August.
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Speaker 13: I've finished by exams, and now in the next few
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Speaker 13: weeks I've got a practical internship compon. My understanding is
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Speaker 13: that a lot of the provisions and a lot of
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Speaker 13: the talk from the administration at the moment is particularly
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Speaker 13: centered upon incoming students for becoming in August later this year.
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Speaker 13: So in terms of current students and people like myself
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Speaker 13: that are finishing off their degree at the moment, let's.
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Speaker 3: Hope that is the case, because we'd like you to
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Speaker 3: see you finish. But I think the policy to better
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Speaker 3: screen foreign students is one that is fairly popular with
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Speaker 3: the Trump base, so I think they're going to stick
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Speaker 3: to that. David Hogan, thank you so much for your
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Speaker 3: time tonight, Thanks for joining me.
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Speaker 5: And that's it from me. Up next is News Night.
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Speaker 3: I'll see you at eleven tomorrow night.