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The Kenny Report | 14 May · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Lone from the skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight Chris Bowen comes out of hiding to proclaim his
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  Speaker 2: net zero xealatory. The Liberals shoot themselves in the foot
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  Speaker 2: on their first full day under new leadership. US President
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  Speaker 2: Donald Trump in Saudi Arabia and Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi
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  Speaker 2: on his way to Indonesia.
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  Speaker 1: What's at stake?
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  Speaker 2: And in a special treat I'll give you a sneak
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  Speaker 2: look at a new film about anti Semitism, and I'll
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  Speaker 2: introduce you to two of its young female heroes. Also tonight,
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hansen and the Wednesday Wrangle with Joe Hildebrand and
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  Speaker 2: Liz Storer.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get cracking. The Liberals are.
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  Speaker 2: So often their own worst enemies, aren't they. Too many
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  Speaker 2: of them just can't focus on their shared mission from opposition.
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  Speaker 2: They need to hold a bad government to account and
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  Speaker 2: promote the policy solutions that the nation needs. But the
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  Speaker 2: day after the new leadership team was elected, we got
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  Speaker 2: this from a former MP and a party vice president.
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  Speaker 1: No less, how.
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  Speaker 3: Long do you give her?
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: I mean a day's a long time in politics, So.
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  Speaker 3: That's not exactly a reinforcement.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, you know, it could be a day, it
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  Speaker 5: might be a damn mean checky. But I mean, look,
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  Speaker 5: you don't know what the political tides will bring.
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  Speaker 1: Lots of caveats the Fiana.
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  Speaker 6: Did you not back her?
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  Speaker 5: I'm not in the party room.
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  Speaker 1: I mean in terms of support publicly.
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  Speaker 7: I mean it doesn't sound as though you were that
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  Speaker 7: confident with her being chosen as leader.
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  Speaker 5: Oh that's not true at all.
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  Speaker 6: I think Susan is fantastic.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you give you a new leader a chance?
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  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you point out that with the budget in structural deficit,
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  Speaker 2: our electricity grid in a pricing and supply crisis, adding
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  Speaker 2: to our cost of living crisis, with housing in short
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  Speaker 2: supply and out of reach for too many, with productivity stagnant,
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  Speaker 2: and investments stymied by regulation and costs.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you point.
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  Speaker 2: Out that the alban easy labor government has the country
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  Speaker 2: on the wrong track, that all these problems will get worse,
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  Speaker 2: and that Susan Lee now has the opportunity to hold
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  Speaker 2: the government to account.
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  Speaker 1: Wouldn't you say that all.
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  Speaker 2: First term governments have been returned since the Great Depression,
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  Speaker 2: So in the coming months as the problems that Labor
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  Speaker 2: has failed to address build, then the pressure should be
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  Speaker 2: on the Prime Minister rather than on the opposition leader,
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  Speaker 2: and her job is to make.
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  Speaker 1: Sure that that's the case.
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  Speaker 2: Look, Scott tried to correct herself later here on Sky,
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  Speaker 2: But it's about the mindset. Forget the self fascination, forget
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  Speaker 2: the internal polycaticking and the speculation. Concentrate on the actual
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  Speaker 2: purpose of the Liberal Party. That's what voters would like
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  Speaker 2: and it's not too much to expect. So what do
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  Speaker 2: the social media influencers make of a woman leading the
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  Speaker 2: Liberal Party? I gave you an insight into the hateful
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  Speaker 2: green left activism of the influencers last night and the
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  Speaker 2: way the ABC tries to pass them off as objective commentators. Well,
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't taken them long to put their edgy feminism
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  Speaker 2: aside and sharpen their retoric against Susan Lee.
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  Speaker 8: Poor chook, heading right for the glass cliff.
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  Speaker 9: All those Liberal Party members are slowly pushing her along
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  Speaker 9: in spay and she's saying, Nah, you be fine, Susan,
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  Speaker 9: It'll be a soft landing, dulln You'll be fine, And she's.
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  Speaker 10: Going, oh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 8: People are actually believing that the Liberal Party are being
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  Speaker 8: progressive by having women as a leader, not that they're
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  Speaker 8: setting her up the failure so that when inevitably she.
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  Speaker 9: Doesn't win the next election. Oh we tried tokenizing your darlin.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll always back a woman unless she's on the
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  Speaker 2: wrong side of politics. They attack the Liberals for not
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  Speaker 2: having female leaders, and as soon as one arrives, she's
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  Speaker 2: slandered in the most hateful fashion.
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  Speaker 11: But she's also the leader of the Conservative Party and
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  Speaker 11: she's racist. She said that when the first settlers came
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  Speaker 11: to Australia, the white settlers came to Australia.
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  Speaker 1: They didn't mean any harm. That was just on an.
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  Speaker 11: Adventure and ventured.
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  Speaker 1: It included genocide.
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  Speaker 2: Just shocking, unintelligent, uncivil stuff. Apparently all people on the
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  Speaker 2: right of center are racists.
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  Speaker 1: It's as dumb as that.
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  Speaker 2: Yet this is the so called new media that we
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  Speaker 2: are supposed to applaud. That was Abby Chatfield, and then
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  Speaker 2: there's Hannah Ferguson, who I introduced you to last night.
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  Speaker 6: It Dutton referred to Donald Trump as a big thinker
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  Speaker 6: and he described our Prime Minister to Anthony Alberonizi as
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  Speaker 6: limp wristed, which is a homophobic slur.
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  Speaker 2: Well, in perhaps the most camera bubble event ever, Ferguson
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  Speaker 2: addressed the National Press Club today.
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  Speaker 1: It was broadcast by the ABC, of course, and.
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  Speaker 2: It included plenty of the usual extreme left bile directed
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  Speaker 2: at the Coalition parties, at News Corp Media or anyone
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  Speaker 2: else invested in the liberal, democratic market capitalism model that's
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  Speaker 2: delivered all of our success, prosperity and social advance advancement
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  Speaker 2: in the Western world.
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  Speaker 1: My complaint last night was that Ferguson was.
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  Speaker 2: Being used as an independent commentator on the ABC, when
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  Speaker 2: in fact she's a hard left activist. At least today
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  Speaker 2: we got this frank self assessment here.
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  Speaker 6: This is from me.
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  Speaker 1: I am partisan.
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  Speaker 6: I overtly ran a campaign against the Coalition. I am
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  Speaker 6: happy to confront any line of questioning about that. I
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  Speaker 6: will consistently get things wrong, make mistakes, upset people on
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  Speaker 6: all sides of politics.
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  Speaker 1: Well, she won't upset too many on the green left.
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  Speaker 2: But yes, she is a highly partisan player and should
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  Speaker 2: be billed as such when she appears on the ABC.
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  Speaker 2: Ferguson has worked for short times in the public service apparently,
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  Speaker 2: and for a union in her mid twenties. She's not
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  Speaker 2: particularly experienced in anything much except social media influencing, even
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  Speaker 2: though it's a term she resents.
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  Speaker 6: There is nothing wrong with being an influencer, but the
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  Speaker 6: label is intended to cause significant reputational damage. The impact
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  Speaker 6: is deeply misogynistic. I've never heard that word associated with
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  Speaker 6: a male podcaster, commentator or businessman.
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  Speaker 2: All right, now, this stuff matters. So I'm not saying
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  Speaker 2: ignore the influences. Sure they pedal ignorance and hatred at times,
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  Speaker 2: but that's an issue for all of this because this
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  Speaker 2: stuff is influential. Millions of young people who don't consume
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  Speaker 2: the kind of media where facts and details are laid
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  Speaker 2: out and debated, well, they dip into social media and
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  Speaker 2: they think they know what they're talking about. Just think
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  Speaker 2: about Ferguson's reach through her cheek media outfit, and.
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  Speaker 6: In the seven days leading to the federal election, cheek
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  Speaker 6: content was viewed almost twenty million times on Instagram by
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  Speaker 6: four million Australians.
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  Speaker 2: Twenty million views to four million Australians in the last
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  Speaker 2: week of the campaign. That is influence of one kind
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  Speaker 2: or another. And second, listen to what she knows about
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  Speaker 2: her audience.
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  Speaker 1: People.
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  Speaker 6: We're talking to you don't know what a budget is.
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  Speaker 6: They really don't know who Jim Chalmers is.
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  Speaker 2: Genuinely, Yeah, they're talking to a lot of people who
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  Speaker 2: know four fifths of buggaraul and in our compulsory preferential system,
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  Speaker 2: they all vote, which leads Ferguson to this conclusion.
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  Speaker 6: No amount of money spent on propaganda could drive us
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  Speaker 6: to elect hatred, bigotry and a bloody bad nuclear policy.
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  Speaker 6: Voter engagement literacy has never been high on.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this stuff about the coalition promoting hatred and bigotry
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  Speaker 2: and that nuclear energy is bad policy, clearly that's nonsense.
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  Speaker 2: It's factually incorrect, it's hateful, it's just partisan rubbish, and
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  Speaker 2: it might hold sway though with some of the young
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  Speaker 2: people she influenced. But listen to that comment again, because
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  Speaker 2: the last phrase is important.
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  Speaker 6: No amount of money spent on propaganda could drive us
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  Speaker 6: to elect hatred, bigotry and a bloody bad nuclear policy.
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  Speaker 6: Voter engagement literacy has never been high on.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she says that voter engagement and literacy has never
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  Speaker 2: been higher.
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  Speaker 1: That's where she's dead wrong.
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  Speaker 2: Her own comments about her audience not even knowing what
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  Speaker 2: a budget is puts the lie to that. The real
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  Speaker 2: problem is the opposite. Younger voters and many others are
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  Speaker 2: not consuming traditional media and that they aren't learning enough
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  Speaker 2: about civics at school and at university, and they're less
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  Speaker 2: knowledgeable about public affairs than they should be. They're not
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  Speaker 2: engaged in politics, yet we demand they vote. That's why
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  Speaker 2: people with little relevant experience or knowledge who style themselves
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  Speaker 2: as social media influencers are actually having a political impact.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm not complaining about that. It's just the reality.
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  Speaker 2: It's a free world. But we need to deal with it.
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  Speaker 2: The right of center parties need to get active in
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  Speaker 2: encountering this stuff at our schools, universities, media and others
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  Speaker 2: need to do better at educating and informing young people,
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  Speaker 2: in particular because in our system it's the swinging voters
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  Speaker 2: who decide outcomes. The disengage, the unenthused, and the ill informed.
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  Speaker 1: You can leave them.
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  Speaker 2: To take their cues from social media influences, or you
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  Speaker 2: can try and do something about it. Now that the
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  Speaker 2: election's over, Chris Bowen is out of witness protection. He held
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  Speaker 2: a media conference today and was straight back into this
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  Speaker 2: kind of nonsense.
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  Speaker 12: Now zero is just by twenty fifty is not a policy.
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  Speaker 12: It's the bare minimum framework you have to work under.
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  Speaker 12: And if Susan lay is saying that's up for review,
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  Speaker 12: you might as well say the sun coming up tomorrow's uppreview,
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  Speaker 12: or the sky being blue is upreview. It's the basic
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  Speaker 12: framework that so many countries around the world are committed to.
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  Speaker 2: The bare minimum requirement. Let me share a couple of
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  Speaker 2: points that the Climate and Energy Minister should be well
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  Speaker 2: aware of. First up, there are two countries, only two
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  Speaker 2: countries that are at net zero, the Himalayan kingdom of
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  Speaker 2: Bhutan and the South American paradise of Sirinam. Needless to say,
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  Speaker 2: these are not developed economies. Also, not all countries are
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  Speaker 2: committed to net zero by twenty fifty, and the list
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  Speaker 2: of countries not signed up to that, well, it's pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia is not signed up to net zero by
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  Speaker 2: twenty fifty, Nor is India, China, the United States of America, Brazil, Singapore, Mexico, Algeria, Finland,
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  Speaker 2: the Netherlands or Indonesia. The world's most populous nations and
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  Speaker 2: some of the most prosperous. That list shows that most
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  Speaker 2: of the world's population and the bulk of its Wealth
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  Speaker 2: is not committed to net zero by twenty fifty, and
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  Speaker 2: most other countries the ones who have signed up to
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  Speaker 2: this target, while they're not looking like getting there, and
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  Speaker 2: Australia won't get to net zero by twenty fifty. It
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  Speaker 2: can't even the International Energy Agency says you can't do
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  Speaker 2: that without nuclear energy, not to mention a host of
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  Speaker 2: other technologies not yet proven up, such as green hydrogen.
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  Speaker 2: But then Bowen of course thinks that billions of dollars
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  Speaker 2: that labor has thrown at that might work.
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  Speaker 12: Will be leading the global green hydrogen revolution. And what
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  Speaker 12: we know is that the green hydrogen sector has an
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  Speaker 12: enormous potential in this country. Only labor has the plan
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  Speaker 12: to ensure that Australia is part of and is leading
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  Speaker 12: that hydrogen revolution.
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  Speaker 1: Tear.
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  Speaker 2: The trouble is the number of projects that have fallen
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  Speaker 2: over in Australia is now into double figures. Massive projects
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  Speaker 2: scrapped despite the taxpayer handouts and twiggy forests. Fordeskew, once
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  Speaker 2: full bore on hydrogen, is now backing out, acting another
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  Speaker 2: ninety jobs in the last week, getting.
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  Speaker 1: Rid of people who were working on.
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  Speaker 2: Green hydrogen YEP net zero by twenty fifty won't just
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  Speaker 2: happen because it's a political slogan for Labor.
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  Speaker 1: The Greens and the Teals.
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  Speaker 2: At some stage reality will get a look in and
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  Speaker 2: then Chris Bowen will be exposed. Let's go to Queensland
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  Speaker 2: now and catch up with One Nation founder and leader,
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  Speaker 2: Pauline Hanson. Good to talk to you, Pauline pretty Keen
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  Speaker 2: first up to get your thoughts on Susan Lee taking
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  Speaker 2: over the coalition's leadership. Do you expect good things there?
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  Speaker 4: Let's see how it goes with it. She's been putting
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  Speaker 4: that position by her party members. Congratulations to Susan, so
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  Speaker 4: we'll see how it goes. I think they're going to
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  Speaker 4: all be licking their wounds what's happened and try and
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  Speaker 4: find a way for it. But I just feel she's
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  Speaker 4: too far to the left. She's going to lose a
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  Speaker 4: lot of the members from the Liberal Party because they
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  Speaker 4: won't head down the path that conservative values of the
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  Speaker 4: Liberal Party what it was founded on. That's my opinion
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  Speaker 4: about Susan and I think there's too many moderates in
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  Speaker 4: the party. They will keep dragging them back to the
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  Speaker 4: left of politics.
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  Speaker 2: You would be in contact with many of the Liberal members,
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition members.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think they're a united outfit at the moment.
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  Speaker 4: Look, I haven't been back in the parliament. I know
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  Speaker 4: after last election they are really shell shocked what happened.
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  Speaker 4: Who knows what the effect is going to be after
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  Speaker 4: this one. They're going to be really in disarray. And
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  Speaker 4: I hope they get their act together because and try
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  Speaker 4: some sort of defense on the floora parliament. Last time
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  Speaker 4: they were hopeless, absolutely hopeless. I didn't see any pushback
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  Speaker 4: of what the Labor Party was.
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  Speaker 6: Doing at all.
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  Speaker 4: So it's going to be quite interesting to see the
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  Speaker 4: performance in that floora parliament. Although this time we've got
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  Speaker 4: Michaulia kash A. She's a far better performer on the
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  Speaker 4: Flora palam of what Simon Birmingham who was too moderate
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  Speaker 4: and he actually gave Pennywong no pushback whatsoever.
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  Speaker 2: Well, of course, climate and energy policy is a real
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  Speaker 2: problem for the Coalition. It's been a running saw for
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  Speaker 2: two decades. Of course, at the moment they're committed to
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  Speaker 2: zero and they have a nuclear plan to get there.
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  Speaker 1: What happens if they mess with either of those policies, Well, I.
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  Speaker 4: Think they'll get a lot of public on side. It
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  Speaker 4: can't keep going the way it's going because Chris Bowen
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  Speaker 4: has made an absolute mess of it, and you've got
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  Speaker 4: more companies and businesses shutting down. It will happen. Jobs
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  Speaker 4: are going People will finally wake up Chris until the
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  Speaker 4: people out there start hurting enough and people are going
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  Speaker 4: to lose their jobs. The interest, the cost is going
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  Speaker 4: to go up for electricity, which is going to drive
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  Speaker 4: the cost of industries manufacturing, which will go offshore. So
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  Speaker 4: I think there's a lot of hurt and pain that's
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  Speaker 4: going to happen the next three years. So when that happens,
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  Speaker 4: then people might start to wake up themselves. Why the
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  Speaker 4: hell did they actually put labor back in there with
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  Speaker 4: the Green support of the Greens past whatever they want
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  Speaker 4: to on the floor of Parliament, And I just I'm
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  Speaker 4: fearful of the next three years, but can't do anything
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  Speaker 4: about it. I will push my policies. I'm totally against
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  Speaker 4: net zero, totally against it.
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  Speaker 6: It's rubbish.
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  Speaker 4: It's during our country, the prosperity of this country. Pushing
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  Speaker 4: for this net zero.
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  Speaker 1: Well instead of sort of agreeing with labor that some sort.
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  Speaker 2: Of wholly rich this net zero by twenty fifty thing
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  Speaker 2: the Coalition could start by pointing out, as I've just done,
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  Speaker 2: that most of the world is not signed up to
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  Speaker 2: this target, so you don't have to treat it as
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  Speaker 2: something that's sacriscinct.
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  Speaker 1: It's ridiculous.
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  Speaker 2: Just getting on to another issue that you followed strongly
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  Speaker 2: of course over the decades immigration. The latest figures show
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  Speaker 2: yet again that despite promising it's getting immigration under control,
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  Speaker 2: labors failing to do that.
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  Speaker 4: Of course they're failing to do it because there's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of people that are actually overstaying the visas. And
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  Speaker 4: what I said, Tom, we've found out seventy five thousand
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  Speaker 4: people who are overstaying the visas. Now it's blown up
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  Speaker 4: to the first quarter of this year to three hundred
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  Speaker 4: and eighty thousand people that have overstayed their visas and
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  Speaker 4: now go through the Austrange tribunal and review and as
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  Speaker 4: soon as they put in an application that gets in
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  Speaker 4: the stay in the country bridging visas, they're allowed to
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  Speaker 4: work everything. So these are former students that don't want
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  Speaker 4: to return home. They use it as employed to stay
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  Speaker 4: in the country and actually get permanent residency. And these
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  Speaker 4: are all people basically coming from Southern Asian countries. So
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  Speaker 4: we're in loworld of pain. Chris, I'll tell you we
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  Speaker 4: really are.
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  Speaker 2: It's an extraordinary situation because Labor has agreed with the
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  Speaker 2: proposition that there's been too much immigration. They've promised that
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  Speaker 2: they start to rein it in, so it's not contentious.
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  Speaker 2: The fact is everybody in politics is saying we've got
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  Speaker 2: to drop immigration, but Labor's just failing to deliver on
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  Speaker 2: that promise. Sounds familiar, but we didn't hear a lot
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  Speaker 2: about it during the election campaign. Strangely enough, I just
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  Speaker 2: want to go to the count. It's continuing everywhere, but
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  Speaker 2: also in Tasmania, the Senate count it.
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  Speaker 1: Looks to have improved for Jackie Lamby.
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  Speaker 2: Is there only going to be one Hansom in the
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  Speaker 2: Senate in the coming term?
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  Speaker 4: Look, Chris, it's going to be awfully hard. We're sitting
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  Speaker 4: waiting on about four states for that button to be
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  Speaker 4: pushed next week for the Senate count. So that's West Australia, Victoria,
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  Speaker 4: New Southwalst and also Tasmania. Don't underestimate where the preferences go.
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  Speaker 4: Last election, they had me on the sixth seat. I
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  Speaker 4: ended up winning the fifth seat. So anyway, it came
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  Speaker 4: down to the preferences. So until that button's push, we
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  Speaker 4: don't know where we're going to stand for all this.
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  Speaker 4: Hopefully I'd love to see Lee on the Florida Parliament
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  Speaker 4: or her ability to be able to do the job,
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  Speaker 4: not because she's my daughter, because I think that you
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  Speaker 4: would make a one full member of parliament. But and again,
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  Speaker 4: like I said, I'm waiting to see if we when
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  Speaker 4: other Senate seats in the other states, we.
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  Speaker 2: Will wait and see what happens when they reset on
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  Speaker 2: that computer in a week or so. Thanks for joining us, Pauline,
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Pauline Hanson their Live from Queensland. This
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  Speaker 2: go to Camber now and catch up with Peter Jennings
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: from Strategic Analysis Australia with some big issues unfolding and
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: some travel arrangers when it comes to global affairs Donald
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: Trump in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 1: Will come to that in a moment.
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  Speaker 2: Peter, But first up your thoughts about our own Prime
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: Minister Anthony Albanesi has been in Perth the last couple
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: of hours.
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  Speaker 1: He's heading off Jiji Karta.
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  Speaker 2: Is that wise Indonesia is a good place to go,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: isn't it? For his first overseas visit as the re
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: elected Prime Minister.
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  Speaker 13: Yes, I wouldn't argue with that, Chris. I think it
• 18:46
  Speaker 13: does make sense. And we've long wanted to build a
• 18:48
  Speaker 13: closer relationship with Indonesia but failed to do so. I
• 18:53
  Speaker 13: don't think we're going to get much more than a
• 18:55
  Speaker 13: very surface relationship between Proboo and Anthony Albanesi. I find
• 19:01
  Speaker 13: it quite remarkable that you know, not that many years
• 19:04
  Speaker 13: ago Proboo was banned from traveling to the United States
• 19:07
  Speaker 13: because as a general in the Indonesian military he'd been
• 19:11
  Speaker 13: involved in I believe the phrases alleged human rights abuses
• 19:15
  Speaker 13: in Papua and East Team or the Americans back down
• 19:19
  Speaker 13: on that after he became Defense Minister. But as President,
• 19:23
  Speaker 13: Proboo has tried to change his personality. There's been lots
• 19:26
  Speaker 13: of TikTok videos of him dancing, presenting himself as a
• 19:30
  Speaker 13: cute grandfather.
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  Speaker 1: That's the phrase that's used.
• 19:33
  Speaker 13: So maybe Albanezi will have that much in common with
• 19:36
  Speaker 13: him that they now want to look like their sort
• 19:39
  Speaker 13: of cuddly elder statesman. But do you expect that there's
• 19:42
  Speaker 13: going to be much substance.
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: The cute hand, the cute grandfather and the handsome boy. Hey,
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: what a meeting?
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Tell me, do you do.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: You expect we'll get any more clarity out of this
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: visit when it comes to Russia's defense overtures for permanent
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: basing of aircraft in Indonesia, Well, there's quite a lot.
• 19:59
  Speaker 13: Of clarity that's already there, because we know from what's
• 20:03
  Speaker 13: on the public record that Russia is interested in cooperating
• 20:07
  Speaker 13: with Indonesia to build a satellite launch facility at Biak,
• 20:12
  Speaker 13: and you know, attention was sort of distracted in Australia
• 20:15
  Speaker 13: away from that during the election campaign. I do hope
• 20:19
  Speaker 13: that Albanesi raises with Proboo Australian concerns because if we
• 20:24
  Speaker 13: have a Russian satellite launch facility, there'll be Russian weapons
• 20:27
  Speaker 13: there to protect the facility. You know, once you've got
• 20:31
  Speaker 13: something that can launch satellites, you can also put warheads
• 20:33
  Speaker 13: on that technology as well. So this is a strategic
• 20:37
  Speaker 13: game changer and we should be concerned about it more
• 20:40
  Speaker 13: than we are, and it's certainly something that Albanesi should
• 20:43
  Speaker 13: raise with Proboo, even if that's something that just happens
• 20:47
  Speaker 13: in private.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we may never know about it, but let's hope
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: that that happens in pretty strong terms. Let's go to
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump in Saudi Arabia. He announced a lot of
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: investment deals, a lot of cross investment arrangements with Saudi Arabia.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: That's not but he's also.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Agreed to lift all sanctions against the Syrian regime.
• 21:05
  Speaker 14: He is Donald Trump, I will be ordering the cessation
• 21:10
  Speaker 14: of sanctions against Syria in order to give them a
• 21:13
  Speaker 14: chance accreator The sanctions were brutal and crippling and served
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: as an important really an important function nevertheless at the time.
• 21:23
  Speaker 14: But now it's their time to shane.
• 21:25
  Speaker 10: It's their time to shane.
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: We're taking them all off.
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: What's going on here, Peter?
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: Is this the US trying to encourage a disengagement of
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: Syria from Iran's reign of influence.
• 21:39
  Speaker 13: Yes, I find this a very surprising decision because we
• 21:44
  Speaker 13: have to remember that the new Syrian leader who ousted
• 21:47
  Speaker 13: President Assad has a background of being an Islamist, extremist, jihadist.
• 21:54
  Speaker 13: But I guess the American judgment is that they can
• 21:56
  Speaker 13: encourage a movement, perhaps towards a more open society where
• 22:00
  Speaker 13: growth and investment will take place, and we can pry
• 22:04
  Speaker 13: the Syrians away from the remnants of a Russian military presence,
• 22:09
  Speaker 13: So it may be worth trying, but I hope that
• 22:12
  Speaker 13: the Americans go into this with a significant degree of
• 22:16
  Speaker 13: caution because we just don't know what the new regime
• 22:18
  Speaker 13: is really going to look like. And they've certainly been
• 22:21
  Speaker 13: cases of very ugly violence meet it out against the
• 22:24
  Speaker 13: old regime, which no one can approve.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Of, and so you know, they're still on trial. I think,
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: as right as I'm concerned, we've.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: Got to talk about Qatar's gift to America of a
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: new Air Force one. Here's what Donald Trump said to
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: defend accepting this gift. This is while he's sitting in
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: the old Air Force one talking to Sean Hannity.
• 22:44
  Speaker 15: The plane that you're own right now is almost forty
• 22:46
  Speaker 15: years old. It's much smaller, it's much less impressive. As
• 22:50
  Speaker 15: impressive as it is, some people say, oh, you shouldn't
• 22:53
  Speaker 15: accept gifts for the country. My attitude is, why wouldn't
• 22:57
  Speaker 15: they accept.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: The gift.
• 23:00
  Speaker 7: One?
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Qatar wants something in exchange for such a lavish gift,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: And could you completely debug this control? Would it be
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: completely beyond the remit that Qatar would have some sort
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: of tracking or listening devices?
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: In this.
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  Speaker 13: So christ you know, I think it just might be
• 23:19
  Speaker 13: the case that the Qataris do want something from the
• 23:22
  Speaker 13: United States, and they've found a way of dealing with
• 23:25
  Speaker 13: President Trump, which is to offer him some really flashy,
• 23:28
  Speaker 13: shiny gold things.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: One can only imagine.
• 23:31
  Speaker 13: What the interior of a presidential air Force one looks
• 23:35
  Speaker 13: like when it's designed to Katari royal family standards.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think this is quite.
• 23:40
  Speaker 13: I think this is demeaning. I don't think Trump should
• 23:42
  Speaker 13: have accepted it. He comes from a country which produces
• 23:46
  Speaker 13: these aircraft and he can have one of his own.
• 23:48
  Speaker 13: In fact, there are several being constructed exactly now.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: And yes, on your.
• 23:52
  Speaker 13: Point, Yeah, could you trust that this thing wouldn't be
• 23:55
  Speaker 13: bugged in some way that would be very hard to find,
• 23:57
  Speaker 13: of course not you really would have to be worried about.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, leave it behind.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the offer, But perhaps they could do something
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: for poorer nations, would be my advice. Thanks for joining us, Pete,
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: I appreciate it. Got to get to a break. On
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the other side of that, I'm going to catch up
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: with Labor MP Josh Burns. I want to talk to
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: him about his courageous and successful move to defeat the.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Greens at the last election.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Now, when it comes to the scourge of Andy Semitism,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: you're going to love what I've got coming up for
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: you later in the program, a couple of really brave
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Americans who are visiting Australia at the moment to talk
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: about that issue. But I've also got a lot of
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: admiration for Jewish Labor MP Josh Burns. He's called out
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: and stood up to Andy Semitism over the past year
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: and a half at times when many in his own
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: party have.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: Been very weak on this issue.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And it took a lot of courage for Burns to
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: run an open ticket in his seat of matt Damara
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: at the election, refusing to preference the Greens because of
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: what that had said and done when it came to
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: the Middle East and Andy Semitism.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I reported that at.
• 25:01
  Speaker 16: The time, the how to vote cards that Labor will
• 25:04
  Speaker 16: put out will not have any preferences on it. Now
• 25:07
  Speaker 16: that allows Labor to ensure that they are not preferencing
• 25:11
  Speaker 16: the Greens, because of course, in historic contests, Green preferences
• 25:15
  Speaker 16: would favor Labor in this type of contest.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Now, this was a risk, but Burns won the seat
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: comfortably with a swing towards him of four and a
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: half percent, while the Greens saw a swing away from
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: them by about the same amount.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Josh Burns joins me our live from Melbourne.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: Josh, good to see you, and look sure you didn't
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: want to have a backlash against from Jewish voters if
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: you were preferencing the Greens but refusing the preference.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: There was a risk for you, wasn't it.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: There was a strong Liberal candidate and Benson solo and
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: it could have cost you the seat.
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: Hindsight, it's always wonderful thing. Chris, So I think. I
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: think ultimately we made the decision that I wanted to
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: put forward the labor case in Macnamara that I wanted
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: to and I was standing proudly as the labor candidate,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: and we had policies that were going to help people,
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: from helping students with hextead and people buying their first
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: home and investing in medicare to try and ensure the
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: bulk billing rates go up. I think these are the
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: things that that really mattered to people, and we wanted
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to focus on that, and I didn't want to get
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: sort of bogged down in some of the really divisive stuff.
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I think in the end it was a
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: campaign focused on what we were going to do, and
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: I'm really just sort of humbled by the result.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: Now, of course, in labor seats right around the country
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: there are preferences how to vote cards, giving preferences to
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: the Greens and swapping back.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: Of course it's been that way for many, many years.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: But you had an.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Open ticket, so people could preference the Greens if they could.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: Of course, everybody's got free choice when it comes to preferences.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: You also had labor supporters Michael Danby and others getting
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: around handing out how to vote cards, so that encouraging
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: people unofficially they could vote for you and keep the
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: Greens low in the count So that would have felt,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: wasn't that sort of support?
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Ah?
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Look, who knows? Who knows? Chris? I mean, I do
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: think that, you know, I certainly, I certainly like there's
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: a lot of commentary about all of this. I mean,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: the Greens leader Adam Band at the time said that,
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: you know, we'd done some preference still with the Liberal Party,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: which was categorically not true, and then the Liberal Party
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: was saying, you know that we should have preferenced them
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: last and all this sort of stuff. Ultimately there was
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: sort of people on both sides and I just didn't
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: think that that was in any way productive or truthful.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: What I wanted to do was to try and show
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: people what was the Labor Party going to do for them?
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: And I had thousands of conversations with people, Chris, like,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: thousands of conversations over the last month, and no one
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: raised preferences. You know, no one said when I was
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: door knocking, no one said, you know, who are you preferencing.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: People were saying, you know, this is what this is
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: what I care about. I care about my community, my family,
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I want to go see a doctor. I care about childcare,
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: like the stuff that the stuff that affects your lives
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: in any part of the country. And yeah, I think
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: sometimes potentially some of our political opponents sort have got
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: lost in the preferencing stuff and we just focused on
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: what of the policies are going to help people in Macnamara.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I get that, and we all understand that
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: they're the dominan issues in a campaign.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: But I mean, I go back to the point that
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: I think this was.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: A morally strong position the right thing, a courageous thing
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: for you to do, and good on you for taking
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: that stand.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: You were up against a good man.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: I know Benson Solo quite well and he was a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: great candidate for the Liberal Party. But you look at
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: those numbers and the Greens vote went down in your
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: own electorate. Then you look across nearby at Melbourne and
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the Greens leader Adam Bant lost his seat. To what
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: extent do you think that the strident views of the
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: Greens when it comes to the Palestinian question and their
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: failure the stand there speak up strongly enough anti Semitism
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: do it actually do you think it actually costs the
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: Greens some electoral support.
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: It's a really interesting question, Chris. I mean, I think
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: the honest answer is that that's not what people are
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: voting on, and the Greens were hyper fixated on this
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: issue that, frankly is so you and I both know
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: how complicated this is, and how you know how devastating
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: it is, and how you know how we know one
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: wants to see suffering or wants to see violence. People
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: want to see an end to the conflict, and we
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: want to see people being able to get on with
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: their lives. And I think most Australians sort of have
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: that view. And then and then you sort of go, well,
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: if you're talking about all of that, then you're not
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: talking about the things that actually matter to people in Australia.
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: And I think this is an important lesson for politics
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: in Australia is that you know, I wish I could
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: solve the Middle East, and of course I wish I
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: could click my fingers Chris and it would all be
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: over today. But it's not what you know, we don't
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: have that level in Australia. That's not what position we're in.
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: What we can do is talk to each other respectfully.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: And I don't know that Australians really like the sort
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: of really jagged rhetoric. I think Australians really just want
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: people to be able to live peacefully in Australia. I
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: think Australians hated the anti Semitism that we saw as
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: a result of a whole range of factors, including the
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: conflict overseas where Jewish communities were targeted. I think Australians
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: just want to be able to sort of say, well,
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: live your life here in Australia and be who you
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: are and be respectful and treat your neighbors nicely and
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: everyone can get along.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: Well, said Josh.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us, and congratulations on your promotion too
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: in the new front bench arrangements for the Labor Party.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up another time, Josh Burns there, who's the
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: return Labor member for McNamara, the old seat of Melbourne
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: puts in Melbourne.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Now coming up, we're.
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Going to give you a sneak look at a new
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: film about anti Semitism, especially focusing on American university campuses.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: We'll catch up with two of its young female heroes.
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I had the privilege of attending a previous screening of
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: the film October the eighth last night in Sydney. The
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: documentary analyzes the rise of antisemitism in the US, particularly
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: on university campuses, immediately after the.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Atrocities, of course of October the seventh.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: Now, as I've highlighted here so many times, it remains
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: incredible and frightening that before Israel had even retrieved all
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the bodies, and while hostages were still being dragged away
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: into Gaza, the aggression from some turned not against the
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: Hummas terrorists, but on the victims.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: The Israelis here's a taste of the film. It kidnapped Israelis,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: including children.
• 31:45
  Speaker 17: I thought that the entire globe would be in morning,
• 31:48
  Speaker 17: and not only was it sail, there is jubiletion.
• 31:56
  Speaker 16: It was exhilerating, it was na I wasn't seeing an
• 32:01
  Speaker 16: ideological disagreement.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I was seeing hatred grave thought.
• 32:08
  Speaker 18: The hate started flooding in almost immediately, students cultric resistance.
• 32:12
  Speaker 17: They called it justified. They began calling Zionist students racist.
• 32:18
  Speaker 19: Adapting the concept of antifada, violence will follow.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Who was.
• 32:32
  Speaker 10: This is not about Jews.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: This is about democracy.
• 32:35
  Speaker 16: This is about human decency.
• 32:37
  Speaker 6: What does it mean that the future leaders of the
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: most important democracy in the world are chanting for intofada?
• 32:44
  Speaker 6: What is the country going to look like a decade
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: from him?
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: What is at stake? It is the soul of a mar.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: It's confronting stuff. It's a brilliantly intellectual film and it's
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: coming to Cinema's. We heard from the director, Wendy saxon
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: conversation with Sarah Murdoch last night, and she'll be on
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: later this evening on Sharry Sharry's got her on the
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: program at eight o'clock. But I want to introduce you
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: to two of the heroes of the film. If you
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: like Jewish American students who confronted the full force of
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: this irrational hatred.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Here's Talia Khan.
• 33:21
  Speaker 7: My mother is Jewish and my father is an Afghan
• 33:25
  Speaker 7: Muslim from Afghanistan. Obviously, as the daughter of a Muslim
• 33:29
  Speaker 7: and half of my family is Muslim, I totally empathize
• 33:33
  Speaker 7: with people who are Hijabi, for example, being scared.
• 33:36
  Speaker 17: But it's it's not an either or, President Kornblith, Please
• 33:43
  Speaker 17: let me go back to being a scientist. Let me
• 33:46
  Speaker 17: go back to being a student. I don't want to
• 33:49
  Speaker 17: have to keep advocating for Jewish student safety on campus.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: It's not my job.
• 33:54
  Speaker 17: It's your job. Please do your job and act now.
• 33:58
  Speaker 17: And if you can't, I'm asking Congress to do it
• 34:01
  Speaker 17: for you.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: Thank you. That's inspirational leadership brought there.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: And then there's Tessa Vixler, who was student president at
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: Californian University when signs were put up banning Zionists from
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: the student's room.
• 34:17
  Speaker 20: The next morning, the Jewish students chose to go, and
• 34:19
  Speaker 20: they chose to sit in the exact room where they
• 34:21
  Speaker 20: were told they were not allowed to be half of
• 34:27
  Speaker 20: the room was Jewish students doing their homework, and then
• 34:29
  Speaker 20: the other half was a bunch of students wrapped in
• 34:32
  Speaker 20: kafias making posters. I went to the side of the
• 34:35
  Speaker 20: room with the kaffias because I wanted to understand what
• 34:38
  Speaker 20: they were trying to accomplish. And while I was trying
• 34:42
  Speaker 20: to speak to these students very calmly, they were trying
• 34:45
  Speaker 20: to intimidate me to get me out of the room.
• 34:47
  Speaker 20: So what they started to do was to make posters
• 34:49
  Speaker 20: targeting me directly with my full name, Tessa Exler supports genocide.
• 34:57
  Speaker 20: You can run, but you can't hide, Tessa Wexler.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: This is shocking discrimination. But these women have showed remarkable
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: courage and I'm pleased.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: To show it.
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: Is to tell you that Talia and Tessa Buzz join
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: me now live on the desk.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the program, Welcome to Australia.
• 35:12
  Speaker 17: Thank you so much for having her.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Talia.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Let me start with you. You've taken the fight all
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: the way to Congress. You've experienced the discrimination, the hatred,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: and you've pleaded with leaders to do something about it.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: Does it help the case to see it detailed this way?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: In the film.
• 35:29
  Speaker 17: Absolutely. I think that one of the biggest benefits of
• 35:33
  Speaker 17: this film and the way that the story was told,
• 35:36
  Speaker 17: is that it shows very clearly that the things that
• 35:39
  Speaker 17: were happening on campus, that happened to Tessa, that happened
• 35:41
  Speaker 17: to me and all the other Jewish students on campus,
• 35:47
  Speaker 17: it wasn't about politics or policy. It wasn't about whether
• 35:50
  Speaker 17: or not you agree with you know, bb Neatanyahu or not.
• 35:54
  Speaker 17: It was really just bullying and hatred and support for terror,
• 35:59
  Speaker 17: and these kinds of attacks weren't based in It was
• 36:03
  Speaker 17: not like a goodwill discussion that students were trying to
• 36:06
  Speaker 17: have with the Jewish students or the Zionist students. When
• 36:10
  Speaker 17: you would go up, for example, to the encampments, which
• 36:12
  Speaker 17: is something that I did. I tried to have discussions
• 36:15
  Speaker 17: with the students there, and they said they have a
• 36:18
  Speaker 17: non conversation policy with Zionists. They're not even allowed to
• 36:21
  Speaker 17: talk to us. Many of them wouldn't look us in
• 36:23
  Speaker 17: the eye. So it was very clear that it wasn't about,
• 36:28
  Speaker 17: you know, having an environment of intellectual curiosity or rigorous
• 36:34
  Speaker 17: debate about the policy issues. It was just about hatred
• 36:37
  Speaker 17: and promotion of terror.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: At there's a fortunate people in some of the most
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: prestigious academic institutions in the world, yet they're reveling in
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: their ignorance.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:47
  Speaker 17: I mean it was really hard to watch. It was
• 36:50
  Speaker 17: hard to see these students being so close minded on
• 36:54
  Speaker 17: campus and really again not being willing to engage in conversation.
• 36:58
  Speaker 17: And I think the same thing happened with Tessa, you know,
• 37:00
  Speaker 17: when she was trying to talk to the students as
• 37:02
  Speaker 17: he sat from the cliff on the other side of
• 37:04
  Speaker 17: the room. I'm sure she can explain more. They wouldn't,
• 37:07
  Speaker 17: you know, have a conversation with her.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Tessa, I wanted to.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Obviously, you're elected to hit up the student body, so
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: there's an element of popularity involved in that.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: You won the election, yet suddenly.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: This all turns against you because of this anti semitism
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: They tried to well, they succeeded in having a vote
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: to get you off out of that, to remove you
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: from the presidency. You prevailed, but tell us about the
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: personal trauma of going through that.
• 37:33
  Speaker 18: I think it was really challenging, mostly because so many
• 37:37
  Speaker 18: of my peers that I had really been working with,
• 37:39
  Speaker 18: who really knew my character, knew the various accomplishments that
• 37:43
  Speaker 18: I had already had with different student groups. They were
• 37:46
  Speaker 18: some of the people that turned against me, and so
• 37:49
  Speaker 18: I think that was a really painful thing that people
• 37:52
  Speaker 18: that who you thought were your allies were so quick
• 37:55
  Speaker 18: to change their minds. And I think it's kind of
• 37:58
  Speaker 18: a striking parallel that we're seeing. And you know, we're
• 38:00
  Speaker 18: here with the film and there are these, you know,
• 38:03
  Speaker 18: striking similarities between what we went through on our campuses
• 38:07
  Speaker 18: and what's happening here in Australia and on university campuses,
• 38:11
  Speaker 18: and so it's pretty universal from what I'm seeing.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I want to show you what happened here in
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: this country on October the eighth and October the ninth,
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, because I've delved into these issues so
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: often since then. I think these two episodes were two
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: of the most shameful episodes in our country's modern history.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Have a look. I'm smiling and I'm happy. I'm in Natan.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: It's a day of carg.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, our beloved opera house there seeing that sort of hatred.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Now, Tesla, let's start with you.
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: It's so the film goes into this in some detail
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: at the start, especially, but how do you reconcile humans
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: celebrating the slaughter of other humans, especially when this died.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Israel hasn't even retaliate, hasn't even been able to recline
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: the bodies of its victims.
• 39:09
  Speaker 18: I think, if anything, it just shows you that this
• 39:11
  Speaker 18: is not about politics. This is about anti Semitism. And
• 39:15
  Speaker 18: I think I was justin Israel yesterday and I visited Karaza,
• 39:20
  Speaker 18: and I saw the destruction that happened on October seventh,
• 39:23
  Speaker 18: and the brutality, and it's pretty unbelievable that less than
• 39:28
  Speaker 18: twenty four hours we're still counting our dead, that people
• 39:31
  Speaker 18: are already rejoicing in it, And so it really really
• 39:35
  Speaker 18: proves that this is due hatred.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: Talia, you must have such a unique perspective on this
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: when you have a Jewish thought and a Muslim thought
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: to your family, tell us about how those tensions play
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: up for you.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 39:47
  Speaker 17: I grew up in a very culturally diverse family. So
• 39:50
  Speaker 17: my father is Muslim from Afghanistan, my mother is Jewish.
• 39:53
  Speaker 17: I actually have two half siblings, one of them is Hindu,
• 39:56
  Speaker 17: one of them is Christian.
• 39:57
  Speaker 21: I went to Catholic high school, so with a lot
• 40:00
  Speaker 21: of cultural diversity, but I was really shocked at the
• 40:08
  Speaker 21: response on October eighth of people again rejoicing, not even
• 40:15
  Speaker 21: giving us a moment to mourn our dead before having
• 40:18
  Speaker 21: to fight back against misinformation and hate, and even with
• 40:23
  Speaker 21: other students that so at that time.
• 40:24
  Speaker 17: I was studying for my doctoral qualifying exams and I
• 40:27
  Speaker 17: was in a group for studying with two other foreign
• 40:32
  Speaker 17: students and they were saying that the people who died
• 40:35
  Speaker 17: in the Nova massacred deserved to die because they were partying.
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: On stolen land.
• 40:39
  Speaker 17: And they told me this on October ninth, and so, yeah,
• 40:42
  Speaker 17: it was very hard right after to deal with all
• 40:46
  Speaker 17: of that.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: It's und thinkable, but we only have a bettermental lift.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I want each of you to give me thirty thirty.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: This is such a big topic, but in thirty seconds,
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: starting with utes, what could we do to start overturning
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: this hatred and ignorance.
• 40:59
  Speaker 18: I think the first thing is that we need to
• 41:01
  Speaker 18: agree what this is about. And first and foremost, this
• 41:05
  Speaker 18: is a fight for Western values and for humanity against
• 41:09
  Speaker 18: hatred of all kinds. The thing that people really don't
• 41:11
  Speaker 18: understand is that it starts with the Jews, it never
• 41:14
  Speaker 18: ends with us. And so if we care about the
• 41:16
  Speaker 18: free world, and we can all agree on that it
• 41:18
  Speaker 18: will help us unite against this form of hatred Italian.
• 41:22
  Speaker 17: I think what Tessa said is exactly right, and I
• 41:24
  Speaker 17: think it's really important to make sure again Testa said,
• 41:28
  Speaker 17: Jews are the Canarian the coal mine. This is, you know,
• 41:31
  Speaker 17: a battle against Western values, against democracy, against women's rights,
• 41:35
  Speaker 17: et cetera. And we need to make sure that not
• 41:38
  Speaker 17: just Jews are standing up and speaking out against us,
• 41:41
  Speaker 17: that we have allies who are also standing up and
• 41:43
  Speaker 17: speaking out against this kind of hate and this kind
• 41:46
  Speaker 17: of you know, reveling in terror.
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: Well, it's great to meet both of you. I admire
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: your courage, congratulation on the stands you've taken. You have
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: a great stay in Australia and Talia, you can pop
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: into mosque, synagogue, the temples.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: You can do everything. I have a great today, Thanks
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: for joining us.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Talia Kahan there and Tessa Vexler, a couple
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: of very courageous Americans. Keep an eye out for this
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: film October the eighth, that's going to be released in
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: cinemas soon, and don't forget in the meantime, if you
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: can pop onto our website, you can still see the
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: Sky News documentary on anti Semitism in Australia. That brilliant
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: documentary fronted by Josh Friedenberg is still available to view.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: We've got to take a break.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we'll have the Wednesday wrangle with
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Liz Staurer and Joe Hilda Brand.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: Don't go away because Blackout Bowen is back.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: We're going to wrangle this week with Liz Staurer and
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: with Joe Hilda Brand.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: We've been wrangling in the warm up. Well, look, let's
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: start off with Fiona Scott.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: God loos lives, especially those moderate lives lives. They really
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: love to fight the Labor Party and make it all
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: about good governance.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Nah, she did this this morning.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: How long do you give her?
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I mean a day's a long time
• 43:00
  Speaker 5: home politics.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: So that's not exactly a reinforcement.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well you know, it could be a day. It
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: might be a damn I mean, checky.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Liz, you got to be better than that, but you do.
• 43:12
  Speaker 22: I mean, look, we know that it was a very
• 43:14
  Speaker 22: tight vote late Lee, I should say, only one by
• 43:17
  Speaker 22: three votes, so of course there's going to be quite
• 43:20
  Speaker 22: a bit of blood letting and basically half your party
• 43:23
  Speaker 22: room didn't want you. So at least Scott's being honest
• 43:26
  Speaker 22: and we don't have to wonder how she voted, do we.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: I know, I would have thought she's a moderate order
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: of Lee. But it's it's just this the.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Whole idea, Joe, of just getting caught up in the
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: liberal factions games. When the leadership get behind her, start
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: talking about what you need to talk.
• 43:42
  Speaker 10: Your think So when you I mean the day she
• 43:44
  Speaker 10: got the leadership, people said, right now the blood letting's
• 43:46
  Speaker 10: going to start. The blood lettings meant to be what
• 43:48
  Speaker 10: the leadership balat actually stops.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the other way around.
• 43:52
  Speaker 10: But he's obviously it is a bit of a poison chalice.
• 43:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, notwithstanding the inevitable infighting and finger pointing that's
• 43:59
  Speaker 10: going to go on for the next three years, what
• 44:01
  Speaker 10: happens in twenty twenty eight, I would put my money
• 44:03
  Speaker 10: on Josh Freiedenberg coming back, knocking off Manique Ryan and
• 44:07
  Speaker 10: then the leadership would be his too.
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: So far, what people are forgetting here and I say
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: loosely the camera press gallery, it's all about this something
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: win into labor yadi, Yeah, great, win lots of people
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: in parliament YadA, YadA, YadA.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: We all know that, but they are still running a
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: shambalic government.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: That's got real problems with cost of living, electricity prices,
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: the budget, all sorts of security issues.
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: So it's not going to be long till they're under pressure.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: So Susanly within weeks.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Really should be starting to put pressure on the government.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: The whole game changes, then well.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: That's their job.
• 44:40
  Speaker 22: But for as long as we've got members like this
• 44:43
  Speaker 22: barking from the sidelines at their own leadership, this is
• 44:46
  Speaker 22: the last thing the opposition needs right now. We need
• 44:48
  Speaker 22: a very strong opposition because you're quite right, this government
• 44:51
  Speaker 22: is now very full of itself and they should be.
• 44:55
  Speaker 22: That was a very comprehensive win. They're now very very confident.
• 44:59
  Speaker 22: Now now is the time that we need an extra
• 45:01
  Speaker 22: strong opposition to shoot them down as soon as they
• 45:04
  Speaker 22: possibly can get some wins in the bag and say
• 45:07
  Speaker 22: see we are a viable opposition to this government.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Labour doesn't want to believe their own publicity.
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: Right, it was good politics, Hats off, they won the
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: political contest and they got.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: A big majority, but it's not a reward for good government.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: So their big weakness could be hubris and in this case,
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I think Hubris comes in the name of Chris Bohen
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: have a look.
• 45:29
  Speaker 12: So I take that then that as well as an endorsement,
• 45:33
  Speaker 12: as I said in an op ed today by a
• 45:36
  Speaker 12: silent majority, to say keep going, get on with the job.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: That endorsement of his renewable energy plan. Just keep rolling
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: out those windmills.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: We're right behind you.
• 45:46
  Speaker 10: Well, I don't know if it was an endorsement of
• 45:48
  Speaker 10: Labour's energy plan, but it was certainly a disendorsement of
• 45:51
  Speaker 10: the coalitions which was really a Clayton's plan.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: It didn't seem to happen.
• 45:55
  Speaker 10: And I think that's the biggest challenge that Susan Laie's
• 45:57
  Speaker 10: going to face from which direction does the coalition attack
• 46:01
  Speaker 10: Labour's energy policy, which they will say is driving the
• 46:04
  Speaker 10: cost of living there already twenty fifty is now up
• 46:08
  Speaker 10: for grabs. That's going to cause them trouble in teal seats.
• 46:11
  Speaker 10: And at the same time Nuclear said what we should
• 46:14
  Speaker 10: throw out nuclear? They've been calls for moderates to do that. Yes,
• 46:17
  Speaker 10: the model and where does this end up?
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Well, eventually reality has to get a look in, right,
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: and that is, how do you have an electricity system
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: that works. No one should be pretending what we're doing
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: at the moment works. And the Liberals have they have
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: they talked about energy during the campaign.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: No, well, not nearly enough.
• 46:34
  Speaker 22: And the thing that makes me laugh about Bowen saying, well,
• 46:37
  Speaker 22: our comprehensive when this majority we've now got in the House,
• 46:40
  Speaker 22: that is an endorsement specifically of our energy policies. I've
• 46:45
  Speaker 22: said it before and this isn't true of you because
• 46:48
  Speaker 22: you watch Skyes so you know the truth. But the
• 46:50
  Speaker 22: vast majority of Australians are not intimately familiar with each
• 46:54
  Speaker 22: party's policies.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: When they go to the polls.
• 46:56
  Speaker 22: They've stood on enough polling booths over enough years to
• 46:59
  Speaker 22: know plenty of people vote because they don't want to
• 47:02
  Speaker 22: risk the fine if they don't, because.
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: We have a mandatory voting gear.
• 47:06
  Speaker 22: So for him to then say, oh, this is the
• 47:09
  Speaker 22: silent majorities endorsement of all I'm doing, driving up energy prices,
• 47:14
  Speaker 22: putting up windmill farms, soul of farms in the most
• 47:18
  Speaker 22: ridiculous places, clearing hectors and hectors of great land, putting
• 47:23
  Speaker 22: the farmers through nightmares, et cetera, and so on. Nobody's
• 47:27
  Speaker 22: endorsing that, sir, But yes, you guys did win, but
• 47:31
  Speaker 22: to say it was on the back of their energy policies,
• 47:34
  Speaker 22: which who knows how many people who went to the
• 47:35
  Speaker 22: Bowling votes were even aware.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: We can get away with that, you can.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: But when prices go up again or we have blackouts again,
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: well that's when reality catches up.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: Chris.
• 47:44
  Speaker 10: It was a silent endorsement by the silent majority on
• 47:47
  Speaker 10: a policy upon which the Labor Party was silent throughout
• 47:50
  Speaker 10: the campaign.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Something like that.
• 47:53
  Speaker 10: But again the difficulty is and I think, you know,
• 47:57
  Speaker 10: I think you will go ahead with it, and Bowen
• 47:59
  Speaker 10: is smart and capable and you'll push your head is
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: all in any way. So whatever it is, whatever, whatever
• 48:04
  Speaker 10: you know, you think of it, it is going to
• 48:05
  Speaker 10: happen again. Look, the problem is the Coalition is so
• 48:08
  Speaker 10: divided on it, and energy policy kills governments and it
• 48:12
  Speaker 10: kills oppositions.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's always worked for the Coalition when they've
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: been on the side of good cheap energy. It's only
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: killed the opposition when they've matched the Greens and Labor
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: on that zero and the rest of it.
• 48:23
  Speaker 22: That's how hard is it to be the leader and say, look,
• 48:26
  Speaker 22: Australia is responsible for one point three percent of global emissions.
• 48:29
  Speaker 22: We are not cutting out fossil fuels in a hurry whatsoever.
• 48:33
  Speaker 22: And until when and if the technology got to them,
• 48:36
  Speaker 22: we can do this in a timely way. We're not
• 48:38
  Speaker 22: doing it.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: Perhaps we do what Russia, America, China and India does.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: That'll be a good guy.
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: Oh look, just very quickly, let's have a look at
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: what the council of the Sydney City Council has done.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: They've closed their parks.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Have a look one of the reasons they say they're
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: closing their parks to public events.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, what do you have parks for if not
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: for public events.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: No, we're not going to it says that climate change
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: is accelerating severe weather events and that makes it difficult
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: for them to have parks in their have events in
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: their parks.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: You can't have that food festival in Hyde Park. It's
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: because of climate change.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: That's why we've got to go with Chris Bowen. I
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: have windmills everywhere in our family.
• 49:19
  Speaker 10: She is the death of fun, isn't she. I mean,
• 49:21
  Speaker 10: this is obviously Clover Moore positioning her so all the
• 49:23
  Speaker 10: inner city loveies don't like these festivals that interrupt there
• 49:27
  Speaker 10: you know, if it was you know, if it was
• 49:28
  Speaker 10: an artistic film festival, that'd be fine, that'd be fine.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: And any protests and any anti Israeli protests I let them.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: In the past, of.
• 49:34
  Speaker 22: Course, well they have notably made exceptions for Mighty BRR
• 49:38
  Speaker 22: and the Yourbudden Festival.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: Of course, we're going to keep wrangling here on the
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: desk with Liz and Joe.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: But now it's time for Peter Credlin. I'll see you tomorrow.