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Race, Gender, and Representation in Music and Hollywood - John Schneider, Beyonce and Art · All About The Joy

• 0:00
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, hi, everybody, welcome to all about the joy.
• 0:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick Costa, hello, hello.
• 0:05
  Tony D.: Tony.
• 0:06
  Carmen Lezeth: D.
• 0:06
  Carmen Lezeth: What's up, baby?
• 0:06
  Carmen Lezeth: How you doing so.
• 0:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Tony and I've been here for a minute.
• 0:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick just jumped on Rick.
• 0:11
  Carmen Lezeth: How you doing Okay.
• 0:14
  Rick Costa: Alright, we're maintaining right.
• 0:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, how was your week?
• 0:17
  Rick Costa: It's not too bad, it was okay.
• 0:19
  Rick Costa: Okay, yeah, you don't sound great today, so it was the rush of getting mom to bed and then other issues, and yeah, yeah, tony, how was your week?
• 0:28
  Tony D.: Not too bad.
• 0:29
  Tony D.: Allege decided to want to kick in pretty hard this week, so if I turn my camera off, I got to blow my nose.
• 0:35
  Carmen Lezeth: We all have issues today.
• 0:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me tell you I actually had a great day today.
• 0:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I unbelievably had like Bam, bam, bam, like just a busy, busy day, but it was all meeting really amazing great people and dealing with really, really good stuff.
• 0:48
  Carmen Lezeth: I had to meet with a lawyer this morning and you know that's never gonna go well, right, but this man was on point like he was so cool and you know, this whole conversation people have about us Well, not you guys, but me swearing.
• 1:02
  Carmen Lezeth: The reason why I love this guy is because he swears, like he on his YouTube channel on everything.
• 1:09
  Carmen Lezeth: He's just.
• 1:09
  Carmen Lezeth: He's just.
• 1:10
  Carmen Lezeth: Again, it's kind of like it's just this flavor.
• 1:12
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not anything malicious or bad or anything.
• 1:14
  Carmen Lezeth: He's just having a conversation.
• 1:15
  Carmen Lezeth: So that went really well.
• 1:17
  Carmen Lezeth: I was really happy about that.
• 1:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I had another conversation with some bank folk.
• 1:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Mm-hmm, yes, had some conversations with some bank folk about my loan I've been asking about.
• 1:27
  Carmen Lezeth: So we are, you know, you have to push hard, you have to keep asking people.
• 1:31
  Carmen Lezeth: You got to keep saying no, you're wrong, I'm right, so we don't see how that goes.
• 1:35
  Carmen Lezeth: But it was a really good meeting and I was really glad that they took the meeting.
• 1:38
  Carmen Lezeth: And let me say something Big banks and and I work with a lot of them and I actually have Bank of America Let me tell you big banks are never, ever, ever gonna deal with like little people in the way in which they deal with rich people.
• 1:50
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know who will sit down with you and have a conversation on a zoom call or whatever Credit unions.
• 1:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I will say that yeah so if you're not part of a credit union, you miss an out, because they have really good interest rates.
• 2:01
  Carmen Lezeth: They really do treat you like a community whatever, and so I had a conversation with them today and they were on point and awesome and I just I feel really good about the possibilities.
• 2:10
  Carmen Lezeth: You know I'm saying so.
• 2:12
  Rick Costa: I was yeah, heard that for a long time that they said if you can go credit union, do it.
• 2:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, um, you know a lot of credit unions.
• 2:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Even if you're not part of a union, they will find a way to get you in because their whole thing is about servicing as many people as possible.
• 2:24
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, yeah, so, and I'm you know, I'm part of SAG after, and I do have a check-in account with my credit union and I love them and and I've had them for a long time.
• 2:33
  Carmen Lezeth: They're just never my first thought when it's like, oh, I need a business loan because they're not a business bank, you know, but anyway, so that was good, how you guys.
• 2:41
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what, tony, I thought about you, beyonce and country music.
• 2:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I was just wondering if you were.
• 2:47
  Rick Costa: Because you're the music king.
• 2:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Because you're the music king, how you feeling about Beyonce crossing over with her country music and top topping the charts with Texas.
• 2:55
  Carmen Lezeth: Hold them.
• 2:56
  Tony D.: Okay, I'm not.
• 2:57
  Tony D.: I'm not a country music man.
• 2:59
  Tony D.: I'm not a big Beyonce fan.
• 3:00
  Tony D.: I have heard about, I have seen stories, a lot of women.
• 3:02
  Tony D.: I've seen a supporter, a lot of women, women, yes, I see a lot of women that's supporting her.
• 3:07
  Tony D.: She's making her money.
• 3:09
  Tony D.: I can't say nothing against it I wasn't a fan of.
• 3:11
  Tony D.: I should heard the song last week.
• 3:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Really why?
• 3:17
  Tony D.: she's not your genre, not really Really, not really Okay.
• 3:25
  Carmen Lezeth: But but, but, but, do you like Jay-Z?
• 3:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, oh, okay, all right, so it's just not your music.
• 3:30
  Tony D.: You're not.
• 3:31
  Tony D.: She's very female oriented her music, and I'm not a woman female empowerment.
• 3:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I could see how that would rub you the wrong way.
• 3:38
  Tony D.: That's what's female empowerment.
• 3:39
  Tony D.: I can't go.
• 3:39
  Tony D.: It's like when it was like me, rough neck, we was all jamming.
• 3:42
  Carmen Lezeth: It was like Okay, I lost single ladies right, so okay, but she topped the charts.
• 3:51
  Carmen Lezeth: John Schneider from what's that.
• 3:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Do so, has it clearly had an issue?
• 3:57
  Rick Costa: Oh, yeah, I think I saw that he was so upset.
• 4:01
  Carmen Lezeth: So what's his name?
• 4:01
  Carmen Lezeth: Josh John Schneider.
• 4:06
  Tony D.: It's basically about somebody who's an artist coming over to that genre and taking over.
• 4:09
  Tony D.: People are gonna have issue with this, like when the hip-hop stars started going to the hip, to the rock and roll all the fame.
• 4:13
  Tony D.: I get it, but we had an impact in the music world.
• 4:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Well wait, the thing that was interesting about what he said is, in one sentence he said she shouldn't be able to come into our genre.
• 4:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, but it's okay that Shania Twain can go into, you know, hip-hop or whatever.
• 4:27
  Carmen Lezeth: It was just hilarious, I'm like that's called racism.
• 4:30
  Carmen Lezeth: People, that's racism, right there, baby.
• 4:33
  Rick Costa: You're being a stupid.
• 4:34
  Carmen Lezeth: John Schneider, I mean in the same breath.
• 4:41
  Carmen Lezeth: He didn't even realize like how hypocritical and contradictory and dumb assery he was sounding by talking like that.
• 4:49
  Carmen Lezeth: What I mean if you're going to stand on the statement, at least be what.
• 4:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Did we just lose him?
• 4:58
  Tony D.: No, okay, I'll talk about camera off.
• 5:01
  Rick Costa: Some people just need to.
• 5:02
  Rick Costa: Some people just need to stay in their lane and mind the business.
• 5:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, you be talking about John Schneider, though I that was just weird, yeah, and I'm not a country music fan either.
• 5:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I I realized, though I really don't like the twang and country music.
• 5:13
  Carmen Lezeth: We talked about that in the past and I you know, to me this isn't.
• 5:16
  Carmen Lezeth: There's no twang in it, but it's just not my thing.
• 5:18
  Carmen Lezeth: But I'm very happy for her.
• 5:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I was cracking up.
• 5:21
  Tony D.: Well, and she has fans in that genre, so she made music for them.
• 5:25
  Tony D.: People got to realize you have an artist that is a specific genre, but you will have people outside of the genre who may also like their music, who may want to make music for them, and that's yeah, yeah hey, jeff, how are you?
• 5:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Beyonce looks whiter than Taylor Swift.
• 5:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Good music is good music.
• 5:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Luke and Tracy was amazing.
• 5:40
  Carmen Lezeth: What do you mean?
• 5:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Beyonce looked whiter than Taylor Swift, and what?
• 5:43
  Rick Costa: that sounds like.
• 5:47
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, jeff.
• 5:47
  Carmen Lezeth: We went to college together, so I'm like I know that he's not, but I don't know what he means by that.
• 5:52
  Carmen Lezeth: What do you mean?
• 5:53
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, because she bleached her hair white, or something.
• 5:55
  Tony D.: I don't know.
• 5:57
  Carmen Lezeth: You have to be more specific, because people don't think you racist.
• 6:00
  Rick Costa: I have seen, like you know, the conspiracy people type say like here was Beyonce then and look at her now and I got.
• 6:06
  Rick Costa: You can't really say it's not true.
• 6:08
  Rick Costa: She's the lighter she used to be on a live.
• 6:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, well, first of all, let's just be clear that she is a light-skinned black woman.
• 6:17
  Carmen Lezeth: That's kind of like.
• 6:18
  Carmen Lezeth: And that's kind of like saying that I would look white if I dyed my hair white, and you know, I mean like it's kind of not fair and I've gotten that in the past.
• 6:25
  Carmen Lezeth: So there is that too, I mean.
• 6:27
  Carmen Lezeth: But that doesn't make you less black as a person of color.
• 6:31
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean, but I guess I get it.
• 6:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, jeff, I hear you.
• 6:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, she, she has her here, white platinum now, because she was doing that whole platinum thing of a jiggy on her tour or whatever and all the silver and whatever.
• 6:42
  Carmen Lezeth: So I Think she looks absolutely stunning.
• 6:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm sick and tired of all of her pictures because she's so Beautiful for these fashion designers.
• 6:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, it's all jealousy and hatred like deep deep.
• 6:53
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I mean she's so gorgeous, but she's just she's also highlighting just an amazing array of designers and fashion in everything that she does.
• 7:01
  Carmen Lezeth: So it's not just the music, right, it's kind of it's the whole Package.
• 7:06
  Carmen Lezeth: That is kind of fascinating to me to kind of watch.
• 7:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, she is beautiful, but I think she tries too hard.
• 7:12
  Tony D.: I think they're pushing her boy.
• 7:13
  Tony D.: I think they're pushing her because she was fine.
• 7:15
  Tony D.: She was with Destiny's Child with the black hair.
• 7:16
  Tony D.: The minute she went blonde and started doing other music, people went crazy.
• 7:19
  Carmen Lezeth: Why is it not okay for her to change things up a bit?
• 7:22
  Carmen Lezeth: No, it is.
• 7:23
  Tony D.: They don't interrupt.
• 7:24
  Tony D.: She was fine with Destiny's Child.
• 7:26
  Tony D.: They were fine, they were good.
• 7:27
  Carmen Lezeth: Why do you mean?
• 7:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Fine, she is amazing.
• 7:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Now is a single.
• 7:31
  Tony D.: They kind of pulled her and made her something else, outside of how she was she first came in.
• 7:35
  Tony D.: It was something they were kids in Destiny's.
• 7:37
  Tony D.: Child.
• 7:37
  Tony D.: They felt like they made a change to them.
• 7:39
  Carmen Lezeth: If you really does feel like they made a change to them, you realize, I think she's almost 40, right, yeah, she had three children.
• 7:43
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'm just saying do we say these same things about men in the industry, like?
• 7:51
  Tony D.: What's your Michael?
• 7:51
  Tony D.: What's your name?
• 7:52
  Tony D.: Oh, I don't know.
• 7:54
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, I'm just, I'm just pulling that out.
• 7:56
  Carmen Lezeth: There's an idea You're making the judgment.
• 7:57
  Carmen Lezeth: That I don't think is kind of.
• 7:59
  Tony D.: I may be wrong, but that's the perception I kind of got when they I feel like they dulled her up.
• 8:03
  Tony D.: When they start making your hair like, like that, they're starting to make it like this.
• 8:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I want to defend the Beyonce in this sense.
• 8:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think anyone is telling Beyonce to do anything.
• 8:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I think Beyonce is saying you know what?
• 8:14
  Carmen Lezeth: This is how I want to do.
• 8:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Abc and D.
• 8:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Let's try this why would you think it's not.
• 8:20
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not.
• 8:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Why would you think they are doing something to her?
• 8:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Who is this day?
• 8:25
  Tony D.: I'm not trying to be telling you what the who was the day.
• 8:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just saying.
• 8:29
  Tony D.: Sometimes certain stars that just doll them up make them bigger.
• 8:31
  Tony D.: It seems like there was a change to her.
• 8:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Of course there was a change.
• 8:35
  Carmen Lezeth: She grew up, she's done here.
• 8:38
  Carmen Lezeth: It's the same.
• 8:39
  Carmen Lezeth: She can only sing.
• 8:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Say my name for so long.
• 8:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Say my name, say my name.
• 8:48
  Tony D.: It's not like.
• 8:48
  Rick Costa: Michelle.
• 8:48
  Rick Costa: And what's the other woman's name?
• 8:49
  Rick Costa: Michelle and the toy.
• 8:50
  Rick Costa: The toy, yes.
• 8:50
  Tony D.: No, it doesn't.
• 8:51
  Tony D.: It was a member I don't know, I just knew.
• 8:55
  Carmen Lezeth: They're not famous like Beyonce, but they're doing all right.
• 8:57
  Tony D.: There was Kelly, there was Michelle Kelly.
• 8:59
  Rick Costa: That's the one I'm talking about Kelly.
• 9:00
  Tony D.: Kelly was before right.
• 9:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Why is your internet kind of going in and out?
• 9:06
  Rick Costa: Is it?
• 9:07
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just making note for restream.
• 9:08
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I'm going to.
• 9:09
  Carmen Lezeth: I think she's chasing Taylor.
• 9:15
  Carmen Lezeth: Taylor had a movie, then Bay had a movie.
• 9:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, I think that's all your perception, and things don't happen that fast.
• 9:21
  Tony D.: Just like me.
• 9:22
  Tony D.: She was in dream girls, she was in Cadillac records, she already had movies.
• 9:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Honestly, yeah, she did.
• 9:27
  Tony D.: She did.
• 9:27
  Tony D.: She already had movies.
• 9:28
  Tony D.: That one I'm going to have to disagree with, honestly.
• 9:32
  Carmen Lezeth: Only doesn't like change.
• 9:33
  Carmen Lezeth: That's right.
• 9:34
  Carmen Lezeth: I agree with that, cynthia, 100% different.
• 9:37
  Tony D.: Some people change or something See different to me.
• 9:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I just think I just want you to kind of reflect back and maybe consider the possibility that you're putting too much of your ideas on what she may be doing as opposed to giving her some creative kind of respect.
• 9:51
  Carmen Lezeth: And she's a grown woman who is a mega star and you know they changed her, they made her different.
• 9:57
  Carmen Lezeth: She a grown woman.
• 9:59
  Tony D.: If she did it herself, then you're correct, okay.
• 10:03
  Rick Costa: My thing is we are literally arguing about somebody changing their hair color.
• 10:08
  Rick Costa: Who cares?
• 10:09
  Rick Costa: I don't know.
• 10:10
  Carmen Lezeth: We care.
• 10:10
  Carmen Lezeth: That's why we talk about I mean, it's not that I think the issue is bigger.
• 10:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm trying to make a kind of point.
• 10:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Is, I think sometimes, especially men, sorry don't realize that sometimes you say things that are not really fair, you know what I mean Like we're making a joke.
• 10:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Bring one up, go ahead, I'm ready.
• 10:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Funny.
• 10:32
  Tony D.: I'm going to start, really start, that's right About what we say, or we'll say things and what I'm just saying.
• 10:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm saying you're putting some pressures on a woman star that I don't think you put on men when we're having a conversation.
• 10:44
  Tony D.: No, we put the pressure on men too, because you know, michael Jackson caught plenty of flight for changes he made.
• 10:48
  Carmen Lezeth: Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
• 10:50
  Carmen Lezeth: I said, men you said women too.
• 10:52
  Carmen Lezeth: I said go ahead, tell me when women have put pressure on men when I said something that was indicative of what I was saying, about what you and Rick were kind of doing Well, not Rick, rick, you weren't really saying it was all Tony being.
• 11:05
  Tony D.: I said I felt like there was a change made to her.
• 11:07
  Tony D.: I did you think that she was just being more creative?
• 11:10
  Tony D.: Okay?
• 11:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay.
• 11:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you think a change was made to Michael yes, or do you think Michael Jackson made his own choices?
• 11:17
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a great example.
• 11:18
  Tony D.: I don't know if he made those choices to his face.
• 11:19
  Tony D.: That would have to be.
• 11:20
  Tony D.: He would have to tell you that.
• 11:21
  Carmen Lezeth: But here's what I'm saying is, when we think of Michael Jackson, or we think of Prince or we think of whatever celebrity that we think we respect to our men, we don't all of a sudden assume that they weren't in charge of their own creative decisions.
• 11:34
  Tony D.: No, I'm not coming that hard and, like I said, you say that if she did, I'm like, okay, cool, I might change this phase.
• 11:39
  Tony D.: Everybody's talking about it.
• 11:39
  Tony D.: Prince didn't change nothing.
• 11:41
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, but did you hear what I just said?
• 11:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I said, when you speak of Michael or men, you give them undue respect by not saying that somebody did something to them.
• 11:51
  Tony D.: We think something happened to Michael.
• 11:53
  Tony D.: If you want to use a man, that's changed.
• 11:55
  Carmen Lezeth: She's going over your head when I'm trying to say that.
• 11:57
  Rick Costa: Let me try to translate.
• 11:58
  Rick Costa: Go ahead, rick, let me try to translate.
• 12:01
  Rick Costa: So when a woman makes a change, it might have been them that made her do it, but if a man makes a change, it wasn't them, he just decided to do it.
• 12:10
  Tony D.: I think that's what we're trying to do and I said I don't think I did that too.
• 12:12
  Tony D.: I think something else happened.
• 12:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Well, mike, clearly didn't do his own plastic surgery.
• 12:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Next topic I just think it's important because how we talk about women in any industry needs it is changing.
• 12:26
  Carmen Lezeth: It is changing.
• 12:26
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, Michael, the sound quality is perfect.
• 12:32
  Carmen Lezeth: There's no fading in and out.
• 12:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I like the energy level in this podcast.
• 12:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, we're still testing out restrain because they're always paying attention now.
• 12:40
  Carmen Lezeth: We don't like this anyway I know.
• 12:43
  Carmen Lezeth: But, tony, here's my thing.
• 12:44
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm not saying you're doing anything wrong.
• 12:46
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm saying the way in which we all talk about each other needs to be elevated, and so we need to call each other out when we're accidentally saying things that are probably not as supportive.
• 12:56
  Carmen Lezeth: I think Beyonce and Taylor Swift are pretty powerful women who make their own decisions.
• 13:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think anyone is telling Beyonce, against her will, to make her hair platinum or to wear whatever outfit she wants to wear.
• 13:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I am pretty sure she is making no decisions, and when Verizon comes to her and says, hey, do you want to?
• 13:16
  Carmen Lezeth: She's like no or yes.
• 13:17
  Tony D.: No, I believe that.
• 13:18
  Tony D.: I believe that what do you mean I'm?
• 13:19
  Tony D.: One of the wig.
• 13:20
  Carmen Lezeth: So when you say the day thing, it bothers me.
• 13:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Go ahead, Rick.
• 13:22
  Rick Costa: I'm sorry I was going to say what if it's a wig, it would be a wig.
• 13:24
  Rick Costa: I mean, she's a black woman.
• 13:27
  Carmen Lezeth: So it doesn't matter if it's a wig.
• 13:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, she's always had blonde hair.
• 13:29
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you think women are more pretty in the industry or men are more supportive?
• 13:34
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh petty.
• 13:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Do you think women are more petty in the industry or men are more supportive of each other?
• 13:42
  Tony D.: That's a good question.
• 13:42
  Tony D.: That's a very good question.
• 13:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think it's a good question.
• 13:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what.
• 13:46
  Carmen Lezeth: Why do I think women are more petty?
• 13:48
  Tony D.: I think both are petty and they're somewhere.
• 13:50
  Tony D.: Both are supportive because we've seen it and heard it.
• 13:52
  Tony D.: If you want the truth, Jeffrey, I'll be honest about that.
• 13:55
  Tony D.: Everybody gets criticized, but also everybody gets supported.
• 13:58
  Tony D.: That's a very deep and strong question.
• 14:00
  Tony D.: I really can't answer.
• 14:01
  Tony D.: I mean both sides, for both genders, honestly.
• 14:04
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I think in this conversation, men are being more petty because you're so consumed by her blonde hair.
• 14:10
  Carmen Lezeth: She's trying to look like Taylor.
• 14:12
  Carmen Lezeth: I asked about the music and somehow we got into a conversation about blonde hair and how white she looks Like.
• 14:18
  Carmen Lezeth: So you know, if you're going to ask me in this conversation, that's where the pettiness is.
• 14:24
  Carmen Lezeth: If anything, I've seen women Taylor Swift specifically and Beyoncé supporting each other, because people keep trying to say that they're against each other and they're not.
• 14:32
  Carmen Lezeth: If anybody has followed any of the history of Taylor Swift and Beyoncé, taylor Swift looks up to Beyoncé you know what I mean Like it's like a mentor to her, and they they have done things together and been more collaborative than we've even realized.
• 14:44
  Tony D.: And what they've done is been more supportive of each other than critical of each other, more than their fans have been.
• 14:48
  Tony D.: That's the truth.
• 14:49
  Rick Costa: That's even really good.
• 14:50
  Rick Costa: What I noticed at the Grammys, too, is that Taylor Swift, whoever was singing, she was not always standing, but a lot of times she was standing and she was singing the song with them.
• 14:58
  Rick Costa: She was supporting everybody just by singing their song.
• 15:01
  Carmen Lezeth: And people get so upset with her.
• 15:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't get it.
• 15:02
  Carmen Lezeth: Cynthia just said people pick and choose who they want to support.
• 15:05
  Carmen Lezeth: This is true.
• 15:06
  Carmen Lezeth: This is true.
• 15:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Jeff said in movie and music friends always hire friends Absolutely through, at least here in Hollywood.
• 15:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, it's all about networking.
• 15:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know if it's friends, but it's definitely who you know.
• 15:18
  Rick Costa: Is it just movie and music though?
• 15:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's a good question.
• 15:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Rick said that again.
• 15:22
  Rick Costa: Is it just movie and music though?
• 15:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Mario is in the house.
• 15:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey, Mario.
• 15:26
  Carmen Lezeth: No, Rick, you're probably right in every industry, right?
• 15:30
  Rick Costa: Yes, and then you got what's that word?
• 15:33
  Rick Costa: Nepotism?
• 15:33
  Rick Costa: Yeah, hire their relatives.
• 15:36
  Tony D.: Well, that's just bad People that got money hiring their relatives.
• 15:38
  Tony D.: I don't, almost don't blame.
• 15:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I do.
• 15:40
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's wrong I get it.
• 15:42
  Carmen Lezeth: I think it's wrong.
• 15:43
  Tony D.: You bring the people with you.
• 15:44
  Tony D.: I get that.
• 15:45
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm saying if they're not qualified, right, so like no offense.
• 15:49
  Carmen Lezeth: But like if I were to hire you know somebody and they're not qualified just because they're related to me, that would get me really upset, especially when they failed and I could have hired somebody who's great.
• 16:00
  Carmen Lezeth: So you being related to me ain't going to get you in.
• 16:02
  Carmen Lezeth: You need to be qualified.
• 16:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, let me see.
• 16:05
  Carmen Lezeth: Mara said they've supported each other movies premieres.
• 16:08
  Carmen Lezeth: That's true, that was really great.
• 16:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Actually, cynthia said it's everywhere, even in the hospitals.
• 16:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, I know all the doctors and nurses and everybody who works with each other.
• 16:16
  Carmen Lezeth: It's all about who you know and and I think we're we're less, we're less for it.
• 16:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Like when people are hiring their relatives, I think we all lose out because not only do we not get the job, but then you get less quality.
• 16:30
  Carmen Lezeth: If the person's not qualified, does that make sense?
• 16:32
  Rick Costa: But it's not always a bad thing, like you said, if they're qualified like my job that I have now.
• 16:36
  Rick Costa: I got it through a high school friend.
• 16:38
  Rick Costa: She's like oh, I was on whatever those websites he looked up jobs I saw your name on there.
• 16:42
  Carmen Lezeth: You're looking for a job and I knew we're in high school Right.
• 16:45
  Rick Costa: She got me the job Still there.
• 16:47
  Carmen Lezeth: That's a network that's not your, that's not your relative and you're qualified.
• 16:50
  Tony D.: Right.
• 16:51
  Carmen Lezeth: So nepotism is you're my brother and I hire you, or you're my son and I hire you to become the executive or the CEO, whatever, when I leave and you have no experience whatsoever.
• 17:03
  Carmen Lezeth: Michael just said the world is forever in deep levels of debate.
• 17:06
  Carmen Lezeth: We need to celebrate our differences, more love, less hate and judgment.
• 17:08
  Carmen Lezeth: That's not all about the joy is, but you got to have the debates.
• 17:12
  Carmen Lezeth: Deep debates are good, tony.
• 17:15
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to steal that from you.
• 17:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I believe you.
• 17:18
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm going to make you do that and then put you in a good background and have you do that and that's going to become part of my trademark.
• 17:24
  Rick Costa: All about the joy promo and then I'll send.
• 17:25
  Rick Costa: You see, tony.
• 17:28
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm totally going to steal it from him because he does it all the time and it's so funny.
• 17:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I think debates are great, I think the level of respect and having conversations is really important, and I think I mean you, you were very kind, and so on a few other people who listened to my podcast last week on Carmen talk, and I really it's actually become one of the highest podcasts listened to, which is really freaking out that these things are happening.
• 17:53
  Carmen Lezeth: But and it happened so fast but it's part of that conversation, right, having a debate and a conversation about things that are very touch in hard.
• 17:59
  Carmen Lezeth: This is the first time I actually got to watch one of your shows.
• 18:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Welcome, well, thank you.
• 18:06
  Carmen Lezeth: Welcome, jeff, you were here before, or maybe you tagged on one of my videos before, I think yeah, but yeah, that whole conversation was important too, just talking about different ways of understanding race, you know.
• 18:16
  Rick Costa: I like what you did there.
• 18:17
  Rick Costa: I was like I see what you did there, I see what you did there.
• 18:20
  Carmen Lezeth: He started with one thing.
• 18:21
  Rick Costa: What are you making?
• 18:21
  Rick Costa: The whole handicap thing started there to get people to open their mind and relax, and then boom.
• 18:28
  Carmen Lezeth: Boom, I got you Okay.
• 18:29
  Carmen Lezeth: So first I should tell you that I try not to use the word handicap, because what I understand is that it comes from a derogatory place and look at, I'm just trying.
• 18:39
  Carmen Lezeth: This isn't about being woke, but if being woke means not being asleep, I'm all for it.
• 18:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm all for it, but hand in cap is what people?
• 18:47
  Carmen Lezeth: That's where that word comes from, hand in cap and it's people you start to beg for money all the time.
• 18:53
  Carmen Lezeth: So I try to.
• 18:55
  Carmen Lezeth: If you notice, in that podcast I kept trying to say disabled, disabled, disabled or challenged or whatever, because I'm trying to use better words, being a smarter, more compassionate, more inclusive human being.
• 19:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Quote unquote woke.
• 19:08
  Carmen Lezeth: I love the word woke.
• 19:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I think people need to embrace that word because y'all got it twisted.
• 19:14
  Carmen Lezeth: I do not want to be asleep, but that's where that word comes from, and when you learn where words come from, you realize you know what.
• 19:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't need to use that word.
• 19:20
  Carmen Lezeth: Use some different.
• 19:21
  Rick Costa: What are we going to say You're going to talk about woke.
• 19:23
  Rick Costa: I don't know, this is my field, I guess of a fandom.
• 19:28
  Rick Costa: But people are losing their mind over the X-Men 97 cartoon because they're like it's woke, like the stuff they're saying is just great, you're going to have to tell me we don't.
• 19:39
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know what it's like X-Men 97 cartoon.
• 19:41
  Rick Costa: Yes, it's an animated.
• 19:42
  Carmen Lezeth: What do you mean?
• 19:42
  Carmen Lezeth: X-men 97 cartoon.
• 19:44
  Rick Costa: So I don't know if any of you ever saw the X-Men Fox X-Men cartoon from when you were younger In the early 90s, in the early 90s, so they're bringing it back.
• 19:50
  Rick Costa: X-men 97 is called.
• 19:52
  Tony D.: Oh, so basically a continuation, a couple of characters.
• 19:57
  Rick Costa: They're saying is what's that word?
• 19:59
  Rick Costa: Binary?
• 20:00
  Rick Costa: Yes, so people are like more of its binary.
• 20:03
  Rick Costa: This is supposed to be a continuation from 97.
• 20:05
  Rick Costa: That word didn't even exist for that thing, people having to flip and hard to talk about that.
• 20:09
  Rick Costa: Then another thing this was really really weird to me.
• 20:11
  Rick Costa: They were like comparing a picture of Rogue's butt from the first cartoon to this one.
• 20:17
  Rick Costa: They're like she ain't got no butt they took away her butt she infaminated no more, and people are making videos on YouTube.
• 20:23
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, you guys have too much time on your hands.
• 20:26
  Rick Costa: That's what I'm saying.
• 20:27
  Rick Costa: People are losing their minds making videos about this.
• 20:29
  Rick Costa: I'm like you know, it's not that deep.
• 20:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Here's the thing.
• 20:31
  Carmen Lezeth: How do you feel about it, though, rick?
• 20:33
  Carmen Lezeth: How do you feel about a certain character?
• 20:36
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know the X-Men 97 cartoons, I'm not going to watch it but making a character binary, or different race, or different gender, how do you feel about it?
• 20:45
  Rick Costa: I mean, first of all, it hasn't even come out yet.
• 20:47
  Rick Costa: So a few people just dogged like crazy and you haven't even seen it yet.
• 20:51
  Carmen Lezeth: But how do you know then?
• 20:52
  Carmen Lezeth: How do you know, are they promoting it as?
• 20:54
  Tony D.: in the story.
• 20:54
  Tony D.: I've seen it for the last week of this year.
• 20:56
  Rick Costa: I've seen at least 15 people making videos complaining about this cartoon.
• 21:00
  Carmen Lezeth: No, no, but how do they know?
• 21:02
  Rick Costa: Because a trailer came out just off the trailer oh, okay, sorry.
• 21:04
  Rick Costa: And.
• 21:06
  Tony D.: I'm like, well, that's sort of the thing I didn't watch it.
• 21:08
  Rick Costa: It's not even out yet.
• 21:09
  Carmen Lezeth: Yes, but so how do you?
• 21:10
  Carmen Lezeth: I know, Okay, so that's the people.
• 21:12
  Carmen Lezeth: How do?
• 21:14
  Carmen Lezeth: Let me ask you a question for the fourth time.
• 21:15
  Carmen Lezeth: How do you feel about it, Rick?
• 21:18
  Rick Costa: I don't want to prejudge it before I see it.
• 21:20
  Rick Costa: You know people are.
• 21:21
  Rick Costa: People love to nitpick any little thing.
• 21:22
  Rick Costa: Well, you got great answers for going all out.
• 21:25
  Carmen Lezeth: No, but it's true, he's not even told the line, but he's saying he's going to wait to see it.
• 21:28
  Carmen Lezeth: So I'm hearing you don't care if somebody's binary or whatever.
• 21:30
  Rick Costa: I'm saying you're basing, you're saying that this is trash, like Madame Webb actually was trash, that movie.
• 21:35
  Rick Costa: But anyway, that's another topic.
• 21:36
  Rick Costa: Oh, that's even worse.
• 21:38
  Carmen Lezeth: That's even worse.
• 21:38
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know that one Okay.
• 21:41
  Rick Costa: That's even worse on the internet.
• 21:42
  Rick Costa: Oh my gosh, they are trashing it.
• 21:43
  Rick Costa: They were like I'd rather watch more of this than the.
• 21:46
  Tony D.: Marvels over this any day.
• 21:47
  Tony D.: Oh yeah, Save death for what we finished this one.
• 21:49
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, that's great.
• 21:50
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, here's my question.
• 21:51
  Carmen Lezeth: So you're I mean, does it match?
• 21:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I'm going to answer it and then maybe you'll see why I frustrated with you, because you never want to answer a question.
• 21:59
  Carmen Lezeth: He's trying to tiptoe so he don't get his people mad.
• 22:02
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't think it really matters if the storyline isn't about an actual sexual act or whatever, like like I wouldn't care if Thor came out as gay or something like who cares?
• 22:13
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean?
• 22:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Like because that's not part of his character.
• 22:15
  Carmen Lezeth: It's just, it's just being more inclusive, you know.
• 22:18
  Carmen Lezeth: So that's what I'm saying.
• 22:19
  Carmen Lezeth: I think if the show is about a sexual situation and they're changing the whole thing about it, then that's different.
• 22:26
  Carmen Lezeth: But if they're just being more inclusive, because the world is not white and these are cartoons, oh my God, like it's not real, I don't see what the big deal is.
• 22:37
  Carmen Lezeth: But you know, people got their issues.
• 22:39
  Tony D.: The problem is they emphasize the sexuality over the storyline.
• 22:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Are they?
• 22:42
  Carmen Lezeth: Or are they just letting you know?
• 22:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know this.
• 22:45
  Tony D.: If you take the article about it, that's what they're doing.
• 22:46
  Tony D.: Look at the.
• 22:47
  Tony D.: We don't know the storyline.
• 22:48
  Tony D.: That's my problem.
• 22:49
  Tony D.: I don't know about 10 years ago, the, not the immortals, it was.
• 22:51
  Tony D.: I forgot, I forgot.
• 22:53
  Tony D.: They've been pushing the sexuality of characters on a lot of movies over the past few years.
• 22:56
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you?
• 22:56
  Tony D.: sure, yes.
• 22:58
  Carmen Lezeth: Or are they just letting you know to let other people look at?
• 23:00
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm thinking of what was the Disney movie that just came out with that beautiful young woman that was black and they all freaked out because she's a little mermaid Little mermaid.
• 23:07
  Carmen Lezeth: All she was was black and they were freaking out about it.
• 23:10
  Carmen Lezeth: You know, they can't do this whatever.
• 23:11
  Carmen Lezeth: So I mean, were they pushing her to be like that?
• 23:14
  Carmen Lezeth: The character has to be black, or did they just say this is the new what we're seeing, little mermaid?
• 23:18
  Rick Costa: Oh, didn't they do that with Cinderella?
• 23:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Was it with me?
• 23:22
  Rick Costa: No, no, Brandy.
• 23:23
  Rick Costa: Brandy was Cinderella.
• 23:24
  Carmen Lezeth: Brandy, and then and then, whitney was the, the wicked witch or I mean like so are they really pushing the sexuality, or are they just letting you know that this character is gay or whatever?
• 23:35
  Carmen Lezeth: Still letting you know, yeah, no, but why would that be bad?
• 23:37
  Carmen Lezeth: Wouldn't that be good, in case there's someone?
• 23:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Else out there there are people who are still against the differences of sexuality in society right, but aren't there people out there who are worried about, who feel Osterized because they're not part of the conversation and they're not welcome?
• 23:49
  Tony D.: So is it time that we can maybe change that and be more inclusive and not they're trying to change it to where it can be discussed and the emphasis behind a lot of the conversations have been there are people who are living this way, feeling this way or even want to express themselves this way, who are not represented in Hollywood, and that's why it's being talked about, discussed.
• 24:05
  Tony D.: That's been said.
• 24:06
  Carmen Lezeth: I love when it's bad stuff.
• 24:07
  Carmen Lezeth: Everybody wants to blame Hollywood.
• 24:08
  Carmen Lezeth: In Hollywood, it's Hollywood, it's okay.
• 24:11
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm just messing with you.
• 24:16
  Carmen Lezeth: Hollywood under the bus.
• 24:17
  Carmen Lezeth: Hollywood is always trying to push the limit.
• 24:21
  Carmen Lezeth: It's always Hollywood is trying to push the limit.
• 24:24
  Tony D.: I'm not mad because once again we do have people with these characteristics, orientations in society who are not properly represented.
• 24:30
  Tony D.: They're correct, but you had the old fashioned folks who don't want to see it in here and did it was complaining.
• 24:34
  Tony D.: Is it old fashioned?
• 24:35
  Tony D.: Is that the right word?
• 24:36
  Tony D.: Yes, old fashioned folks don't want to see homosexual out there.
• 24:38
  Tony D.: Let's just throw it out there.
• 24:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, wait, wait, but you said see homosexual.
• 24:41
  Carmen Lezeth: See that that's where I want to just play with this a little bit.
• 24:43
  Carmen Lezeth: Are you actually seeing a homosexual act, or are they just saying this character is Whatever?
• 24:50
  Tony D.: they're putting in people's heads.
• 24:51
  Tony D.: You don't even have to make people aware.
• 24:53
  Tony D.: Yes.
• 24:54
  Carmen Lezeth: Okay, I think.
• 24:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I think curiosity and being smart and being open-minded is what we all wish to be.
• 24:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Am I off my rocker or?
• 25:01
  Tony D.: Yeah, not entirely, and I'm being serious, because any and every aspect of humanity needs to be represented In all these movies tv's shows.
• 25:11
  Tony D.: Honestly, they have to be.
• 25:12
  Tony D.: People have a problem with a lot of the recent superhero movies based on Asian descent.
• 25:16
  Tony D.: People have a problem with a lot of movies.
• 25:18
  Tony D.: Back in the day when they had black characters of away characters, you got to realize these people are in society y'all.
• 25:22
  Tony D.: They're deserved to be represented.
• 25:24
  Tony D.: They deserve their civil liberties, all of that.
• 25:25
  Tony D.: They have the same race to be around here and to make money and to be popular the same way everybody else does.
• 25:31
  Carmen Lezeth: Can I also add this?
• 25:32
  Carmen Lezeth: I think you're absolutely right, but the other part of it too, that I think is aren't we better people when we have more people around us who are different and not like us?
• 25:39
  Tony D.: We're supposed.
• 25:41
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, that's a conversation we're supposed to be but what do you mean we're supposed to be?
• 25:43
  Carmen Lezeth: I Love meeting people who are different, who inspire me, who are smart to have a different point of view, who teach me something All the time.
• 25:51
  Carmen Lezeth: I think that's what makes me a better human being.
• 25:54
  Tony D.: I've enjoyed that in the years, the most previous year that I've been on the internet talking to people from all over the world With different aspects, just like you said, and Rick, you know, is that going to talk about.
• 26:03
  Tony D.: I got a kick out of that On every time we talk to somebody from somewhere else who either had a different aspect, gave me a different vision on some.
• 26:09
  Tony D.: All of that.
• 26:10
  Tony D.: I thought one thing well, I thought this, oh, that's interesting.
• 26:12
  Tony D.: Well, they may be this, okay, I didn't think about that.
• 26:14
  Tony D.: All of those different conversations are phenomenal.
• 26:16
  Tony D.: I agree with you 100%.
• 26:17
  Carmen Lezeth: So you're okay, then, with some of these characters being of different sexual orientation, different ethnicities, different heights, weights, whatever.
• 26:27
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I guess if you're a superhero, you probably need to be in some type of shape or whatever, but maybe not, I don't know.
• 26:33
  Carmen Lezeth: But you're okay with them changing up the little mermaid to be black instead?
• 26:38
  Tony D.: of.
• 26:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Of course not.
• 26:42
  Tony D.: Well, the kicker was everybody wants.
• 26:43
  Tony D.: When you're an actor and I had to learn this a while ago when you're an actor, you have to play different types of roles.
• 26:48
  Tony D.: I get it.
• 26:49
  Tony D.: There was a big old stink about a black woman playing a little mermaid because the story had a little white girl but.
• 26:55
  Carmen Lezeth: But the story is not.
• 26:56
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not real.
• 26:57
  Carmen Lezeth: A mermaid doesn't really exist.
• 27:02
  Carmen Lezeth: So it was just and actually beautiful.
• 27:05
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, she's stunningly and she was like the perfect little.
• 27:10
  Rick Costa: I'm reimagining.
• 27:11
  Rick Costa: What's wrong with the reimagining of a story?
• 27:13
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, and also reimagining in a way that, again, I think, enhances the story because it makes us better people when we have differences around us and I don't know, I feel like we get stuck in racial issues because we don't want to talk about racial issues or gender issues or whatever, and I'm kind of trying to change that up a bit.
• 27:30
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 27:31
  Carmen Lezeth: I'm kind of trying to come Well, no, no, because it doesn't all have to be angst.
• 27:37
  Rick Costa: Now.
• 27:37
  Tony D.: I got another twist.
• 27:39
  Rick Costa: And this is again on the same cartoon, x-men 97.
• 27:42
  Rick Costa: So now Whoever's in charge is saying if the character is asian, they want an asian voice actor.
• 27:49
  Rick Costa: They want to what?
• 27:51
  Carmen Lezeth: A what?
• 27:52
  Rick Costa: like two oh, a voice, a voice over Is one of the characters and she's asian.
• 27:55
  Rick Costa: So like okay, the voice.
• 27:57
  Rick Costa: The person that does the voice, they have to be an actual asian person.
• 27:59
  Rick Costa: Okay, well, now you're going down the rabbit hole of dumbass people, but because this is what I'm saying.
• 28:03
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know because, because here's a voice, a voice over actor is going to do a voice that they need to do for the character.
• 28:09
  Carmen Lezeth: You know what I mean.
• 28:10
  Carmen Lezeth: So, and I don't think it matters.
• 28:12
  Carmen Lezeth: But, um, and I know you really want to talk about that show, I can tail, but we're not talking about it because I don't know it.
• 28:16
  Carmen Lezeth: So this is the first part, we get to talk.
• 28:18
  Carmen Lezeth: Uh, jeffrey just said I loved the new mermaid.
• 28:21
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that the?
• 28:22
  Carmen Lezeth: Is that what it was called?
• 28:23
  Tony D.: It was uh, oh the little mermaid, a little mermaid.
• 28:25
  Carmen Lezeth: Yeah, yeah, I saw it.
• 28:26
  Carmen Lezeth: It's not my thing, and I know Cynthia wants to shoot me because I just I don't.
• 28:30
  Carmen Lezeth: I mean, I love these shows, but I don't, you know, I don't even think I saw them when I was little.
• 28:34
  Carmen Lezeth: It wasn't my thing.
• 28:35
  Tony D.: Disney stuff but I saw the one of the 90s.
• 28:37
  Tony D.: It was, it was a trip, it was pretty good.
• 28:39
  Carmen Lezeth: What do you mean?
• 28:39
  Carmen Lezeth: Oh, the original, you mean they.
• 28:41
  Tony D.: They didn't animate in one of the 90s.
• 28:42
  Tony D.: It was pretty good.
• 28:43
  Tony D.: I think it was the other night.
• 28:43
  Tony D.: It might have been 2000 under the sea.
• 28:45
  Tony D.: Under the sea, the crab was killed me, the 90s isn't the original one.
• 28:51
  Carmen Lezeth: The original one is like in the 70s.
• 28:54
  Tony D.: That's why I said I saw the one in the 90s.
• 28:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I don't know.
• 28:55
  Carmen Lezeth: I feel like we're getting better at it, but every time I think we're making like two steps forward.
• 28:59
  Carmen Lezeth: It's like then we take six steps back and then I have to fight with white people about why they're wrong.
• 29:04
  Carmen Lezeth: Sorry, I have to say it, it's just I get exhausted, but I'm gonna keep the fight going because I think it helps, you know.
• 29:11
  Carmen Lezeth: Hey everyone, this is Carmen and I'm interjecting while we're here editing this episode.
• 29:16
  Carmen Lezeth: I just wanted to let you know that this is just a portion of an entire live stream that happened on thursday night.
• 29:22
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• 29:28
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• 29:35
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• 29:39
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• 29:48
  Carmen Lezeth: So again, thanks for stopping by all about the joy, and we'll see you again next week.
• 29:52
  Carmen Lezeth: Bye, thanks for stopping by all about the joy.
• 29:57
  Carmen Lezeth: Be better and stay beautiful folks.
• 29:59
  Carmen Lezeth: Have a sweet day.