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The Kenny Report | 23 September · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Line from the Skying You Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report. Welcome to another cracking week.
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Speaker 2: Here on the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: The supermarket giants tonight they're accused of dodgy discounting that
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Speaker 3: hits our hip pockets. Anthony Alberneezi has taken the chance
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Speaker 3: to blame them for pushing up rates and inflation, but
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Speaker 3: he gives himself a leave pass. The so called First
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Speaker 3: Nation's ambassador turns out to have a very first world
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Speaker 3: travel habit. Peter Dutton offers labor a reform agenda on
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Speaker 3: energy nuclear power, and the ABC is in more strife,
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Speaker 3: as is a former ABC boss, Mark Scott. I've got
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Speaker 3: Sophiel's worth joining me later Paul Murray as well. So
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Speaker 3: much to get through. Let's get started. So, According to
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Speaker 3: the nation's official professional objective consumer watchdog, the supermarket giants
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Speaker 3: have been ripping you off. Yeah, in the middle of
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Speaker 3: a cost of living crisis. Apparently the big jeopoly have
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Speaker 3: been having a lend of us. The a Triple c Reckons,
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Speaker 3: Coals and Woolies have been fiddling with their prices, massaging
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Speaker 3: them upwards first so that they then drop them but
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Speaker 3: not by as much to offer you a so called
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Speaker 3: discount when they're actually charging you more.
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Speaker 4: We allege that war Worse and Coals offered the products
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Speaker 4: at regular long term prices for six months or more,
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Speaker 4: then increase the price for a short period before placing
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Speaker 4: the products on the wararl Worst prices dropped promotion or
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Speaker 4: the Coals down down promotion at prices higher than or
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Speaker 4: the same as the prior regular price. As a result,
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Speaker 4: the A Triples c alleges that the price discounts as
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Speaker 4: promoted were misleading because the discount was illusory.
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Speaker 3: Illusory all right, dodgy is the way you and I
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Speaker 3: would sum it up.
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Speaker 2: It sounds pretty tricky, doesn't it.
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Speaker 3: No doubt some of you have noticed these tricky pricing
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Speaker 3: practices in action.
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Speaker 2: That regulator will.
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Speaker 3: Now take the supermarket giant's court alleging misleading advertising. Have
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Speaker 3: it listened to this specific example of what they're alleging?
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Speaker 4: The example I will give vis a sale by Woolworth
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Speaker 4: of Oreo Family Biscuits, initially at a price of three
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Speaker 4: dollars fifty for knee close to two years, then an
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Speaker 4: increase in price to five dollars for a twenty two
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Speaker 4: day period compared to the nearly two years and then
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Speaker 4: the price returning to a four dollars fifty price when
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Speaker 4: it was put onto the Prices Dropped campaign with a
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Speaker 4: comparison of four dollars fifty to five dollars, not four
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Speaker 4: dollars fifty to three dollars fifty, and that is was
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Speaker 4: actually an over twenty percent increase at twenty nine sent
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Speaker 4: increase in price compared to the prior regular price.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked last week a lot about the six
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Speaker 3: dollar timtams. Perhaps that was all part of the ruse
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Speaker 3: to offer a five dollars fifty discount somewhere down the track.
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Speaker 2: We'll leave all that to the court.
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Speaker 3: Now, that's what the arip will see and the courts
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Speaker 3: are there for.
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Speaker 2: But it didn't take long for.
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Speaker 3: The Labor government and Anthony Albernezi to try to piggyback
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Speaker 3: on this news story to suggest they are doing something
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Speaker 3: about the price of eggs and all groceries. Fresh off
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Speaker 3: his jet back from the US, the Prime Minister called
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Speaker 3: a media conference to talk about that mandatory supermarket code
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Speaker 3: of practice that he's been promising for some time. He
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Speaker 3: wants you to know that he cares about the rising
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Speaker 3: cost of living. You know that little problem he promised
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Speaker 3: he'd take care of, and he's taking on the supermarkets.
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Speaker 3: The Coalition wants the Mandatory Code to be even tougher,
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Speaker 3: including powers to sell off supermarkets, providing a bigger stick
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Speaker 3: to make the big.
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Speaker 2: Two play fair.
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Speaker 3: That debate will play out later in Parliament, no doubt,
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Speaker 3: but for now alban Easy even claims the supermarkets have
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Speaker 3: been helping to keep interest rates up because they're fueling inflation.
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Speaker 5: When you're charging more for products than you should, it
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Speaker 5: of course has an inflationary impact by definition, and we
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Speaker 5: know that inflation is what the Reserve Bank is concentrating
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Speaker 5: on in terms of monetary policy, as they should to
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Speaker 5: try to get it down to the band of two
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Speaker 5: to three percent.
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Speaker 3: Well that's a fair argument, of course, but if Albo
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Speaker 3: is going to use that bit of accepted economic wisdom,
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Speaker 3: he must also accept that by pumping more and more
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Speaker 3: money into the economy with his record government spending, the
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Speaker 3: labor government and its state mates are also fueling inflation.
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Speaker 3: But that bit of economic orthodoxy always seems to escape
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Speaker 3: the Prime Minister. Little wonder then, in the polls, polling
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Speaker 3: lower now than he did at the last election, just
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Speaker 3: a thirty one percent primary vote for Labor as opposed
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Speaker 3: to the coalition's thirty eight percent, which is up two
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Speaker 3: points from the last election.
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Speaker 2: Yet the two major parties are still locked.
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Speaker 3: Together fifty to fifty on the two party preferred count,
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Speaker 3: largely because Labour's Greens mates are polling thirteen percent. So
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Speaker 3: for now, despite not being in front for the last
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Speaker 3: three news polls, the PM can still say this, we.
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Speaker 5: Haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime minister.
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Speaker 5: We haven't lost a news poll since I've been Prime minister.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but for how long will he be able to
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Speaker 3: say that, especially when inflation, interest rates, and the cost
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Speaker 3: of living are such hot button issues Labor is flailing
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Speaker 3: around on them, and in fact, with affordability issues, growing
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Speaker 3: housing tops the list of issues worrying voters most, along
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Speaker 3: with grocery prices and electricity bills. So there's little joy
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Speaker 3: on the horizon for Labor. And if the government seems
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Speaker 3: aimless and all over the shop, then the opposition leader
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Speaker 3: is offering the bold reform of nuclear power.
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Speaker 6: Clean nuclear energy is reliable, it will underpin renewables, it
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Speaker 6: will get the cost of electricity down, it will keep
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Speaker 6: the lights on and the opportunity for Labour now is
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Speaker 6: to put down the juvenile arguments against nuclear.
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Speaker 2: That's a fair offer.
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Speaker 3: But all Labour wants to do is run a scare
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Speaker 3: campaign against nuclear. You know, one moment it's three eyed fish,
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Speaker 3: and then it's health scares, and now it's the cost.
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Speaker 1: We know it doesn't add up.
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Speaker 5: That's why, along with part of their anti capitalism agenda,
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Speaker 5: they're saying that the state should own all the nuclear
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Speaker 5: power plants because no one in any market based system
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Speaker 5: would go anywhere near it.
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Speaker 3: That's a very odd claim given that Labor has not
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Speaker 3: and cannot detail the timing and cost of its renewables
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Speaker 3: plus storage model. What will that cost? What does it
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Speaker 3: already cost? How much further will prices go up? Will
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Speaker 3: we run out of electricity in summer? Why can't Labor
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Speaker 3: answer a few energy questions when its plan is failing
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Speaker 3: on cost and reliability grounds. Besides, the cost argument is
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Speaker 3: difficult to stack up when Australia is the only one
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Speaker 3: of the world's top twenty economies that doesn't either have
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Speaker 3: nuclear power stations or have them on.
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Speaker 2: The drawing board.
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Speaker 3: In the US, the giant Microsoft Corporation is looking to
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Speaker 3: guarantee Electricity supplies for some of its data centers by
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Speaker 3: ensuring the restart of Pennsylvania's Three Mile Island Nuclear Power plant,
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Speaker 3: which famously suffered a non lethal accident in one reactor
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Speaker 3: back in nineteen seventy nine, but where another reactor operated
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Speaker 3: until just five years ago.
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Speaker 7: They have agreed to buy the power from that reactor
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Speaker 7: if it's restarted for twenty years, and so it will be.
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Speaker 7: By twenty twenty eight, it should be up and running again.
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Speaker 7: Nuclear power again coming from Three Mile Island nuclear power
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Speaker 7: advocates saying nuclear is a lot safer now than it
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Speaker 7: was in nineteen seventy nine.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, nuclear is now seen by most countries as an
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Speaker 3: essential part of the clean energy mix, along with renewables
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Speaker 3: and gas peaking. But labor is left opposing nuclear and
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Speaker 3: promoting a plan that many experts they just cannot work,
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Speaker 3: and they're scrounding around for a coherent agenda of their own.
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Speaker 3: Little wonder the poles are going down, not pretend down
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Speaker 3: like supermarket prices, but properly down. Another reason the Albanese
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Speaker 3: labor government is in strife is ridiculous priorities. While it
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Speaker 3: makes a hash out of the cost of living energy policy,
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Speaker 3: housing crisis out of control, immigration and national security's preoccupied
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Speaker 3: with woke nonsense. Now, while many of you disagree with
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Speaker 3: me on the voice, what we all agree on is
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Speaker 3: the Albanezy government went about it in an entirely wrong way,
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Speaker 3: making the referendum a left versus right issue, an emotion
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Speaker 3: versus rational one, or a take it to leave it
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Speaker 3: approach instead of looking for some sort of common ground.
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Speaker 3: They're all over the shop on indigenous issues. We've proved
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Speaker 3: probe to the case recently of the New South Wales
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Speaker 3: gold mine blocked by an Indigenous cultural heritage claim that
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Speaker 3: some Indigenous elders believe was fabricated.
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Speaker 2: I'll have more on that later.
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Speaker 3: But what about the so called First Nation's ambassador. Remember
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Speaker 3: I alerted you to this just days out from the
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Speaker 3: election when Penny Wong slipped it into a speech.
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Speaker 8: We will appoint an ambassador for First Nation's peoples and
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Speaker 8: we will ensure First Nations people's have a stronger voice
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Speaker 8: in our engagement with the world, deepening their longhurl ties
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Speaker 8: across countries of the Indo pacit A.
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Speaker 3: First Nation's ambassador now the title of ambassador in the
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Speaker 3: diplomatic context in the foreign affairs context, which is what
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Speaker 3: we're talking about, is very clear. It is a person
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Speaker 3: representing their nation in a foreign nation, in a foreign nation.
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Speaker 2: This is just so wrong, isn't it?
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Speaker 3: To have a first nation's ambassador in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Just a terrible idea.
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Speaker 3: And we learned today courtesy of the Daily Telegraph that
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Speaker 3: over the last financial year the Ambassador Justin Muhammad went
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Speaker 3: on nine overseas trips that cost taxpayers three hundred and
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Speaker 3: fifty thousand dollars in airfares and accommodation for him and
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Speaker 3: his colleagues. In fact, his office has a staff of
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Speaker 3: ten and is funded for more than thirteen million dollars
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Speaker 3: over four years. What an absolute joke a position, and
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Speaker 3: that it can't do any good for this country. It can
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Speaker 3: only do harm pushing confused and unnecessary or contradictory messages
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Speaker 3: for this country overseas. On top of that, it's an
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Speaker 3: insulting waste of precious taxpayers money at a time of
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Speaker 3: real cost of living pain. Oppositionally to Peter Dutton rightly
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Speaker 3: says he'll scrap the ambassador's role if he wins office.
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Speaker 3: So on top of everything else, it's just dumb politics.
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Speaker 3: From labor setting itself up for failure, and just advertising
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Speaker 3: to voters how hopelessly out of touch it is. What
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Speaker 3: we really need is some kind of ambassador for working families,
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Speaker 3: you know, an ambassador for taxpayers in camera, someone standing
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Speaker 3: up for all of us. And guess what that person
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Speaker 3: is supposed to be the Prime Minister, and he just
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Speaker 3: doesn't seem to get it. I haven't had a chance
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Speaker 3: to chat with you about the Kamala Harris and Oprah
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Speaker 3: Winfrey extravaganza. This was the very worst of Americans meets politics.
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Speaker 2: Schmaltz.
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Speaker 3: Zero substance, zero details, zero brain cells.
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Speaker 2: Can you feel the joy rising in here?
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Speaker 9: I can, And I have to tell you there's so
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Speaker 9: much that I love about our campaign because it really
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Speaker 9: is about the people. And I look around at these screens, Oprah,
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Speaker 9: I look at who's in the room, and this is America.
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Speaker 10: This is this is America.
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Speaker 9: You know, I was saying with a group of friends earlier,
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Speaker 9: I think in this moment where we've dealt with so
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Speaker 9: much that I think is quite exhausting around powerful forces
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Speaker 9: that would try and divide us and try us to
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Speaker 9: have us as Americans pointing fingers at each other yes,
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Speaker 9: that this movement that is about reminding each other that
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Speaker 9: we have so much more in common than what separates
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Speaker 9: us is so critically important. And this is about the
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Speaker 9: strength of who we are as Americans.
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Speaker 3: Oh man, the moment, who we are in the moment,
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Speaker 3: all the love, except for how much they hate Donald
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Speaker 3: Trump and anyone who votes for him, being America and
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Speaker 3: being Oprah. It was all about stars too and name dropping.
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Speaker 11: Kind of going from a stop Trump mode into a
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Speaker 11: go Kamala mode.
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Speaker 1: People starting to, you know, really hear what he's about.
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Speaker 3: And one of the celebrities even had a real celebrity
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Speaker 3: style reason to vote Democrat.
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Speaker 2: I just want to I.
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Speaker 9: Want to bring my daughters to the White House to
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Speaker 9: meet this black woman president.
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Speaker 2: That's a reason. That's a reason.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there are lots of celebrities looking to book in
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Speaker 3: their White House visits.
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Speaker 11: I am a mother of two kids. This is their
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Speaker 11: first chance to vote in an election, and I couldn't
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Speaker 11: be more excited for them to have the legacy to
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Speaker 11: say that their first vote they ever cast for president
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Speaker 11: was for you. I have just chills saying that out loud.
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Speaker 2: And some of them are even getting a little ahead
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Speaker 2: of themselves.
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Speaker 7: Oh man, this has been overwhelming to have the privilege
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Speaker 7: to sit in and listen to the testimony of people here.
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Speaker 1: Hello President Paris.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, forty seven days?
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Speaker 2: What are these other days?
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Speaker 10: Yes?
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Speaker 9: You know, there's so much at stake in this election,
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Speaker 9: and ultimately the question before us is what.
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Speaker 10: Kind of country do we want to live in?
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Speaker 9: And the beauty of a democracy as long as we
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Speaker 9: can hold on to it, the beauty of a democracies,
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Speaker 9: each of us has the power, each of us has
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Speaker 9: the power to answer that question.
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Speaker 12: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Democracy, Hay, there's that election thing you've got to have first,
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Speaker 3: you know, the one where everyone gets to have an
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Speaker 3: equal say, even if they're not millionaires or movie stars.
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Speaker 3: Hollywood doesn't get to choose the presidency. Voters in the
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Speaker 3: Key States will do that, and the more they see
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Speaker 3: of this kind of nonsense, the worst Kamala Harris will do.
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Speaker 13: Now.
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Speaker 3: The vice chancellor of City University, Mark Scott, you remember him,
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Speaker 3: the former ABC managing director. He's apologized for failing Jewish
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Speaker 3: students by not standing up to the provocations of the
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Speaker 3: pro Palestinian protesters at the university. Since October the seventh
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Speaker 3: last year, I've criticized his insipid response on this for
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Speaker 3: many many months, and it won't end here. Bring in
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Speaker 3: a shadow Education Minister, Sarah Henderson. Sarah, thanks so much
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Speaker 3: for joining us. Mark Scott says he let the Jewish
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Speaker 3: students down, but he did more than that, and he
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Speaker 3: let the whole country down by allowing this sort of
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Speaker 3: hatred to fester in his university, scaring sensible people away.
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Speaker 10: Chris, good afternoon.
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Speaker 14: And Mark Scott, by his own admission, after many months
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Speaker 14: of defending his actions, says he failed Jewish students and
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Speaker 14: staff and so did the university.
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Speaker 10: And so it is a big admission brought.
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Speaker 14: About by the coalition's determination to see a judicial inquiry
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Speaker 14: into anti Semitism at Australian universities.
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Speaker 10: And this was a sended inquiry into.
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Speaker 14: The actual bill that we've brought forward into the Senate,
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Speaker 14: replicating the bill that Julian Lisa has brought forward. But
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Speaker 14: it is a big admission from a vice chancellor who
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Speaker 14: really has dropped the ball for many many months. But
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Speaker 14: also Chris, I have to say Sinclair, the Education Minister
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Speaker 14: has also severely dropped the ball.
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Speaker 10: He has been missing in action.
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Speaker 14: If I was the Minister of Education, I would have
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Speaker 14: thrown the book at universities, including ensuring the regulators stepped
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Speaker 14: in and imposed conditions on their registration.
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Speaker 10: We also heard last Friday.
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Speaker 14: That Jason Clair had two very brief meetings with the
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Speaker 14: regulator TEXA, which shows that he has absolutely no commitment
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Speaker 14: to combating anti semitism on university campuses and that shocking.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this is the point.
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Speaker 3: Let's have a look first at some of what Mark
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Speaker 3: Scott had to say before the parliamentary inquiry last week.
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Speaker 15: And I've read the complaints that have been made to
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Speaker 15: the university and all those shared in submissions to this
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Speaker 15: inquiry and to the Special Enjoy and the testimonials are
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Speaker 15: heartbreaking and unacceptable and for that I am sorry. No
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Speaker 15: one should feel at risk, unsafe or unwelcome at any
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Speaker 15: place of learning, and no one should feel the need
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Speaker 15: to hide their identity or stay away from classrooms or campuses.
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Speaker 16: Now the point is here, Sarah, is that he said
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Speaker 16: that you know, there were plans, there was talk of
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Speaker 16: police coming in here to move the protesters after, but
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Speaker 16: he didn't want to do that.
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Speaker 2: It sounded too disruptive to him.
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Speaker 3: And as you say, the federal minister should have been
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Speaker 3: involved in this We've said all along that state ministers,
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Speaker 3: state premiers, the Prime Minister and federal ministers just haven't
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Speaker 3: done enough to combat and all all this sort of stuff,
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Speaker 3: and Mark Scott's effectively admitted, Ah, I don't want the confrontation,
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Speaker 3: so he allows people to suffer. He allows hatred to
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Speaker 3: be spread because he doesn't want to a confrontation with
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Speaker 3: the haters.
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Speaker 2: It's so weak. How can he stay in the job.
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Speaker 10: Well, it is very weak.
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Speaker 14: And worse than that, he defended the encampments as a
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Speaker 14: legitimate form of protest. Now, these were protests which were
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Speaker 14: fueling a vile anti Semitic hatred and incitement. Every single day,
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Speaker 14: Jewish students could not attend university, they could not travel
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Speaker 14: freely through the campus. We had the children changing into
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Speaker 14: fada and we know what that means. Chris, again, no
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Speaker 14: response from the Vice chancellor. And now of course we've
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Speaker 14: heard a very different testimony from New South Wales police
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Speaker 14: who say they were not contacted by the Vice chancellor,
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Speaker 14: where members of the extremist group hits Butt to Hear
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Speaker 14: were on campus exactly menacing Jewish students and staff, and
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Speaker 14: he did nothing for weeks. He only acted when this
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Speaker 14: all appeared on sixty Minutes and on the front page
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Speaker 14: of the nine papers. And as for the minister, I
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Speaker 14: mean talk about the Prime Minister speaking out of both
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Speaker 14: sides of his mouth, with the minister saying, oh, well,
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Speaker 14: you know, river to the scene means different things to
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Speaker 14: different people. It's been a shocking few months Actio City
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Speaker 14: campuses like Sydney, and it is a woeful, a woful
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Speaker 14: example of the weakness of the Abenezi government.
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Speaker 3: Well, if you're weak in the thame of Hatred, that
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Speaker 3: hatred will fester. It's so obvious and so many of
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Speaker 3: us have been saying it since October the eighth, and
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Speaker 3: they should be condemned for their weakness. I know some
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Speaker 3: academics are trying to get Mark Scott to resign. He
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Speaker 3: really should resign because it's a complete abrogation of his responsibilities.
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Speaker 3: I do want to get your thoughts on his old
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Speaker 3: workplace though as well.
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Speaker 2: The ABC we went through in a lot of detail.
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Speaker 3: Last week the disgraceful dodgy reporting that's now been exposed.
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Speaker 3: Here's a little recap of Heston Russell, the former commando,
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Speaker 3: showing us how the ABC docted this video and audio.
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Speaker 17: Revealing an astonishing difference between the source vision and the
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Speaker 17: version of events told by the ABC's Mark Willison, which
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Speaker 17: starts with six rounds of firing. Then the single warning
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Speaker 17: shot becomes six.
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Speaker 7: For me, it appears some of these things they've literally
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Speaker 7: added extra gunshots.
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Speaker 2: That's phenomenal.
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Speaker 13: So I fell off my chair when I saw this.
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Speaker 3: Sarah, you're all over this. You're a part of Spotlight's
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Speaker 3: initial report. This is disgraceful. The ABC pulled it down
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Speaker 3: last week, admitting the era, but we now have reports
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Speaker 3: confirmation that they are advised of this misconduct nearly two
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Speaker 3: years ago twice in writing in October twenty twenty two
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Speaker 3: and November twenty twenty two.
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Speaker 2: What needs to happen here?
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Speaker 14: Well, I raised this in the Senate last week and
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Speaker 14: the minister representing the Minister for Communications, her response was pathetic.
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Speaker 14: She said, oh, we respect the ABC's editorial independence. What
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Speaker 14: about the obligations under the ABC Act to report facts
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Speaker 14: accurately and impartially. This is a shocking example of journalism
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Speaker 14: gone horribly wrong. And the bucks does stop with the
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Speaker 14: editor in chief, and that is the ABC Managing Director
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Speaker 14: David Anderson.
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Speaker 10: What was he doing?
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Speaker 14: How on earth was the ABC authorizing for this to
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Speaker 14: go to the federal court. They fought this to the death.
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Speaker 14: They called Heston Russell a war criminal. And yet now
22:17
Speaker 14: we see that they were unnoticed, that they had very
22:20
Speaker 14: substantial allegations wrong, and they knew it, and they continue
22:24
Speaker 14: to fight it in the federal court. And of course
22:26
Speaker 14: there was a terrible funding against the ABC about which
22:29
Speaker 14: they will not apologize. It costs the taxpayer three and
22:32
Speaker 14: a half million dollars. It is really disgraceful.
22:34
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. We're out of time. Thanks for joining us, Sarah.
22:37
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, Senator Sarah Henderson, their liberal senator. Thanks
22:40
Speaker 3: for Victoria, and we'll stay on that story. And this
22:43
Speaker 3: is the same government that wants misinformation laws and this
22:47
Speaker 3: is the way that public broadcaster behaves.
22:49
Speaker 2: Forget it. Thank you. Let's get back to this energy debate.
22:53
Speaker 3: And Peter Dutton's a big speech today where he said,
22:55
Speaker 3: really the offer is out, a labor embraced nuclear let's
22:57
Speaker 3: do it together. Joining me on the desk is the
23:00
Speaker 3: format ANS CEO dr ADYE.
23:02
Speaker 2: Patterson, Good to talk to you again, eighty.
23:05
Speaker 3: It was a good speech today by Peter Dutton and
23:08
Speaker 3: I thought the key takeout was he saying, how about labor.
23:11
Speaker 3: You want to reform agenda, Why don't you look at
23:13
Speaker 3: doing this with us. The rest of the world's doing it,
23:15
Speaker 3: why not Australia.
23:17
Speaker 12: I think the consensus of rational energy people is essential.
23:21
Speaker 12: There are people on all sides of politics who want this.
23:24
Speaker 12: It's crazy to have bands and a modern democracy. I
23:27
Speaker 12: come from South Africa where we had years and years
23:29
Speaker 12: of bands before we decided to stop banning things and
23:33
Speaker 12: it all changed. And I was recently back in South
23:35
Speaker 12: Africa and it's a much happier place and the economy
23:38
Speaker 12: is flourishing.
23:39
Speaker 2: Good to hear.
23:40
Speaker 13: Now.
23:41
Speaker 3: One of the issues, of course, labor keeps putting up,
23:43
Speaker 3: the giving up the three eyed fish and that sort
23:45
Speaker 3: of thing. Now it's all about cost, and here's some
23:48
Speaker 3: of what Peter Dutton had to say.
23:50
Speaker 2: One questioned about costs. We don't need to build a
23:54
Speaker 2: bespoke reactor.
23:56
Speaker 6: We can rely on the proven technologies and if we
23:59
Speaker 6: do that we can avoid some.
24:01
Speaker 2: Of the initial cost and time blowouts.
24:04
Speaker 6: They're a feature of a US technology.
24:07
Speaker 2: That's not what we're proposing.
24:08
Speaker 6: We're not proposing to reinvent the wheel here. We want
24:11
Speaker 6: to learn from and benefit from the international experience.
24:15
Speaker 2: Well, there you go.
24:15
Speaker 17: Eight.
24:16
Speaker 3: There have been some big cost blow out someone likes
24:17
Speaker 3: to talk to about the happly see one in Britain.
24:21
Speaker 3: But there's been some success stories recently, haven't there in
24:24
Speaker 3: the UAE and elsewhere.
24:25
Speaker 2: Can we do this cost effectively? I believe we can.
24:28
Speaker 12: I mean Finland is a really interesting example because they
24:31
Speaker 12: did have a cost blowout and it was late, but
24:33
Speaker 12: the price of their electricity is now thirty percent of
24:36
Speaker 12: what it was before they finished and switched on the plant.
24:39
Speaker 12: So the cost argument is a crazy one. This is
24:43
Speaker 12: a plant that you're going to build for sixty years
24:45
Speaker 12: and probably re license for eighty years. You've got twenty
24:48
Speaker 12: five years in a wind turbine if you're lucky and
24:50
Speaker 12: the blades don't fall off, and in the case of
24:53
Speaker 12: batteries is ten years. I was a battery expert before
24:56
Speaker 12: I was a nuclear expert. So the hidden cost of
24:59
Speaker 12: the the transformation is the big transmission, the batteries and
25:03
Speaker 12: everything else that you need.
25:05
Speaker 3: That's what makes me laugh about the cost argument is
25:07
Speaker 3: they never talk about the cost of what they're doing.
25:08
Speaker 2: At the moment. All that has shrouded in secrecy.
25:11
Speaker 3: Yet we know the costs of nuclear and no long
25:14
Speaker 3: term or that can be advertized. I want to go
25:16
Speaker 3: to this other quote, this other part of what to
25:19
Speaker 3: Peter Upton had to say today, and that's about the
25:22
Speaker 3: practicality of what labour.
25:23
Speaker 2: Are trying to do.
25:25
Speaker 6: No country can run effectively on part time power, on solar,
25:29
Speaker 6: wind and batteries alone, and the government is doubling down.
25:34
Speaker 6: It's rolling out intermittent sources of energy on an industrial scale,
25:38
Speaker 6: and it's removing ninety percent of essential twenty four to
25:42
Speaker 6: seven based load power over the next decade between now
25:45
Speaker 6: and twenty thirty four, with nothing to replace it.
25:49
Speaker 3: This is such a compelling argument and all the research
25:51
Speaker 3: I've been doing it stands up. Unless you are Iceland
25:54
Speaker 3: with lots of thermal and hydro, there's no effective country
25:57
Speaker 3: that can deliver net zero without nuclear in the mix.
26:02
Speaker 12: We've already lost jobs in South Australia. These are not
26:05
Speaker 12: easily admitted because they were in the defense domain. Frequency
26:08
Speaker 12: control that comes with solid, reliable nuclear power is something
26:12
Speaker 12: we've lost already in South Australia. We're starting to lose
26:15
Speaker 12: in other parts of the country. People think electricity is
26:18
Speaker 12: just something that comes out of the socket. But when
26:20
Speaker 12: you're running data centers. Bill Gates has just announced that
26:23
Speaker 12: he's restarting Three Mile Island to provide mentioned that earlier. Yeah, absolutely,
26:28
Speaker 12: So you know, Bill Gates is a smart guy. He's
26:31
Speaker 12: been in this game for a long time. Microsoft is
26:34
Speaker 12: restarting the second TMI plant only to power his big
26:38
Speaker 12: new data center. If we want to be in the
26:40
Speaker 12: digital economy, we've got to be in fifty hertz reliable electricity.
26:44
Speaker 3: So helf Ausralia wants to build submarines. How they going
26:46
Speaker 3: to do that without reliable energy?
26:48
Speaker 12: Submarine's got nuclear in the back. They'll have to take
26:50
Speaker 12: power out.
26:51
Speaker 3: To the shore, take the get the nuclear engine in
26:54
Speaker 3: the sub before they build the rest of it.
26:55
Speaker 2: That's what they're going to have to do.
26:57
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us adio appreciator, so much common sense.
27:00
Speaker 3: Just before we go to the break, I want to
27:02
Speaker 3: thank cayleb Bond for filling in.
27:03
Speaker 2: For me last Thursday.
27:04
Speaker 3: I was in Brisbane to say goodbye to a dear
27:06
Speaker 3: mate and it was a great offend and I was
27:08
Speaker 3: glad I was there, so well, thank you cayleb Bond.
27:11
Speaker 3: On the other side of the break, I got Caroline
27:13
Speaker 3: Russo and Rohena Campbell joining me.
27:15
Speaker 2: We're going to talk about.
27:15
Speaker 3: This big exposure now for Coles and Woolly going to
27:19
Speaker 3: court now over their dodgy discounting. Also Virgin Australia welcoming
27:23
Speaker 3: cats and dogs on board. Spare me, Let's get on
27:33
Speaker 3: with our cracking panel on our Sky News host Caroline
27:35
Speaker 3: Derusso joins us from Perth and Melbourne City councilor and
27:38
Speaker 3: Deputy Lord Mayor candidate. Rohena Campbell joins us from the
27:42
Speaker 3: Great City of Melbourne in Grand Final week.
27:44
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to get down there, but I.
27:46
Speaker 3: Want to talk about more annoying issues in the meantime.
27:50
Speaker 2: Let's start with you, Roshina.
27:51
Speaker 3: This thing with the A triple C and Cole's and Wooli's,
27:54
Speaker 3: I mean, this is going to confirm the suspicions of
27:56
Speaker 3: so many shoppers that they're just having a lend of
27:59
Speaker 3: us pushing their prices up so that they can then
28:02
Speaker 3: push them back and claim a discount.
28:04
Speaker 2: Do you think it rings true? Oh?
28:07
Speaker 18: Absolutely, Chris. This is outrageous. The idea that Colsenwoolies have
28:11
Speaker 18: been doing temporary, you know, spikes in prices so they
28:15
Speaker 18: can then say to us prices are down, that they're lower,
28:18
Speaker 18: when in fact they are higher than they were before
28:21
Speaker 18: the price spike. So as a barrister, I am thrilled
28:24
Speaker 18: the ariable C as a regulator, is looking at something
28:26
Speaker 18: that is impacting We know millions of Australian families and
28:30
Speaker 18: as a mum with four young kids who watches her
28:32
Speaker 18: grocery bill very closely, I'm personally outraged on behalf of
28:36
Speaker 18: every Australian family that we've been misled like this. I
28:39
Speaker 18: really want to see some hard enforcement powers being exercised
28:43
Speaker 18: by the A Triple C on this one.
28:45
Speaker 1: Yeah.
28:45
Speaker 3: Well, before I come to you, Caro, I just want
28:48
Speaker 3: to have a look at what Gina Cash got leave
28:49
Speaker 3: from the A Triple C said about what sort of
28:51
Speaker 3: penalty they're going to ask the court to impose.
28:54
Speaker 2: Have a look.
28:55
Speaker 4: We're seeking a significant penalty. This is serious conduct that
28:59
Speaker 4: is great concern to us, that affected many consumers, with
29:04
Speaker 4: millions of products sold subject to this practice.
29:08
Speaker 3: Yeah, Caro, the Court's going to have their say. This
29:10
Speaker 3: is all allegations. It's going to be played out in court.
29:13
Speaker 3: And Gina Cascott Leeb also said that that fine could
29:17
Speaker 3: be in the shape of the donations to sort of
29:20
Speaker 3: food bank and charities that are helping people who can't
29:24
Speaker 3: afford to eat. But my point is that this is
29:27
Speaker 3: the work of the A Triple See.
29:29
Speaker 18: Right.
29:29
Speaker 3: There's a whole lot of talk about new laws and
29:31
Speaker 3: new rules being needed, but if the A Triple See
29:33
Speaker 3: keeps doing his job like this, and I think Gina
29:38
Speaker 3: lib has been a great appointment so far. She seems
29:40
Speaker 3: to be hitting everyone where she needs to. I mean,
29:43
Speaker 3: they're there. They can do the job, can't they. We
29:45
Speaker 3: don't need a new consumer watchdog if they do this, And.
29:51
Speaker 10: That's precisely the point.
29:52
Speaker 19: You can have all the laws in the world, but
29:54
Speaker 19: if you're not enforcing them, then they don't matter at all.
29:58
Speaker 19: But like you said, Chris, this is obviously subject to
30:02
Speaker 19: a legal process, but the fact that they've come out
30:06
Speaker 19: pretty hard on this and have said that they will
30:08
Speaker 19: seek those fines, and I mean, you might look at
30:11
Speaker 19: one of these products and be well, it's only a
30:13
Speaker 19: dollar different, but we're talking about huge volumes being sold
30:16
Speaker 19: and obviously a supermarket which has massive turnover.
30:21
Speaker 10: So if you do want to deter this.
30:22
Speaker 19: Behavior in future, you have to hit them where it
30:25
Speaker 19: hurts and Rashena's absolutely right.
30:28
Speaker 10: This does really annoy people.
30:30
Speaker 19: This annoys people because we all go to the supermarket,
30:33
Speaker 19: we all try and make our dollar stretch as far
30:35
Speaker 19: as we can, and these are the sorts of things
30:38
Speaker 19: that supermarkets and these sorts of businesses should absolutely be
30:41
Speaker 19: focused on. This is their core business. I'm not fussed
30:45
Speaker 19: when I go to the supermarket. I don't know what's
30:47
Speaker 19: in their reconciliation plan, Chris, I don't care, but they
30:51
Speaker 19: should if they want to do the right thing, they
30:54
Speaker 19: should treat their customers with the respect that they deserve.
30:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely spot on talking about to reconciliation plans. Let's
31:02
Speaker 3: talk about the First Nations ambassador. I just thought this
31:06
Speaker 3: was such a shocking idea when it was first moeted
31:09
Speaker 3: before the election.
31:10
Speaker 2: It's gone into place.
31:11
Speaker 3: And tell you what, Rashina, this bloke nine trips overseas
31:17
Speaker 3: in one year.
31:18
Speaker 2: So to represent the.
31:19
Speaker 3: Interests of First Nations Australians, not just Australians, he has
31:23
Speaker 3: to go to Switzerland a couple of times.
31:24
Speaker 2: Vanawatsu, the UAE.
31:27
Speaker 3: What mindless and insulting nonsense is this to Australians who
31:30
Speaker 3: have to foot the bill.
31:33
Speaker 18: Look we know that those in government love and overseas
31:36
Speaker 18: junkert and look, I'm the first remitt Sometimes those overseas
31:39
Speaker 18: trips have a role to play. If you are a
31:41
Speaker 18: trade minister who is striking a deal, a free trade
31:44
Speaker 18: agreement that is going to deliver jobs and economic growth here,
31:47
Speaker 18: I think that.
31:47
Speaker 1: Is a dollar well spent.
31:48
Speaker 18: But if you are in this position where you are
31:50
Speaker 18: spending hundreds of thousands of dollars as the First Nation's
31:53
Speaker 18: ambassador to go to Switzerland, explain to me how that
31:57
Speaker 18: is delivering results on the ground for the people who
31:59
Speaker 18: are at First Nations people disadvantage in this country. Quite frankly,
32:04
Speaker 18: I think that is money that would be better spent
32:06
Speaker 18: in places like Alice Springs, where we are seeing real disadvantage.
32:09
Speaker 18: I'd like to see grassroots programs that make a difference
32:12
Speaker 18: to those with need instead of people flying business class
32:15
Speaker 18: to Switzerland for a talk.
32:17
Speaker 3: Best Caro, he was in Dubai at the climate change conference.
32:21
Speaker 3: I mean, just get a photo of that and a
32:23
Speaker 3: headline on it and stick it up at every electoral
32:25
Speaker 3: booth at the next election.
32:29
Speaker 19: Well, it makes you wonder, like, what was he there for?
32:32
Speaker 19: What was he delivering for? Australia. What was he delivering
32:35
Speaker 19: for indigenous Australians by being at that conference. Ultimately, these
32:39
Speaker 19: things get put up and in particularly this sort of
32:43
Speaker 19: nature by left wing governments to impress other left wing
32:46
Speaker 19: governments overseas.
32:47
Speaker 10: It's totally performative. It produces no.
32:51
Speaker 19: Output or benefit whatsoever for the country. And with Australians,
32:56
Speaker 19: you know, and we've just been talking about the supermarket,
32:59
Speaker 19: but Australia really are suffering. They really are doing it tough,
33:02
Speaker 19: they're really trying to keep their head above water, and
33:05
Speaker 19: when they see this sort of just this outrageous spending
33:09
Speaker 19: on absolutely nothing. I mean, I think you said in
33:12
Speaker 19: your editorial, Chris, it was thirteen million over the forward
33:16
Speaker 19: estimates his departments.
33:17
Speaker 2: Over thirty million. The scene that is ob scene.
33:23
Speaker 19: That could be spent in a multitude of other ways
33:26
Speaker 19: that produce a much better dividend to this country. And
33:29
Speaker 19: I don't mean necessarily a monetary dividend, a social dividend,
33:32
Speaker 19: it doesn't matter, but we could definitely benefit from this
33:34
Speaker 19: money being spent anywhere.
33:36
Speaker 3: It's given Peter Dutton his easiest election promise ever.
33:41
Speaker 20: If it is the case that we win the next election,
33:44
Speaker 20: that position will be abolished on day one, and that
33:46
Speaker 20: money will be spent to help Australian so are struggling
33:49
Speaker 20: at the moment to keep a roof over their head
33:51
Speaker 20: or to pay their electricity bill. We've got higher priorities
33:54
Speaker 20: at the moment.
33:55
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd make up the flyers and make out an
33:57
Speaker 3: add and never stop making that promise if I will
33:59
Speaker 3: Peter quick issue quick heap from me each of you
34:02
Speaker 3: on last two issues.
34:04
Speaker 2: First, Roshina.
34:05
Speaker 3: A survey in then New South Wales shows that voters
34:07
Speaker 3: really like the idea of forcing public servants back to
34:11
Speaker 3: work out the office, especially to help out our CBD.
34:13
Speaker 2: Surely that's true right around the country.
34:17
Speaker 18: Yeah, as a Victorian, I wish our premier would send
34:21
Speaker 18: this state's public servants back to work. They're thirteen percent
34:24
Speaker 18: of the workforce in the city, so that would be
34:26
Speaker 18: a huge difference to the level of activity in our city.
34:29
Speaker 18: But quite frankly, in Victoria, a state that is broke,
34:32
Speaker 18: a state where no project is being delivered on time
34:35
Speaker 18: or on budget, I'd rather have those public servants in
34:37
Speaker 18: the office working at full throttle to actually fix some
34:40
Speaker 18: of those problems instead of working from under the dinner spot.
34:43
Speaker 2: On and Caro Virgin are going to start throwing dogs
34:47
Speaker 2: and cats on planes? Are you like me? That's just
34:50
Speaker 2: another reason never to book a flight with Virgin.
34:54
Speaker 19: Oh look, I'm much more a pet person than you are.
34:58
Speaker 10: This happens all the time in Europe.
35:00
Speaker 3: On trying it exactly well, you don't catch a taxi
35:03
Speaker 3: in Paris.
35:06
Speaker 19: I personally have no issue with it. I have no
35:09
Speaker 19: issue with it. I'd really like if Virgin had WiFi.
35:12
Speaker 19: That'd be actually really help.
35:14
Speaker 3: I'm going to take a horse on take mister ed
35:17
Speaker 3: On see how they deal with that. Honestly, thanks for
35:19
Speaker 3: joining us, Carolina Rashina, I appreciate it.
35:22
Speaker 2: We've got to get to a break.
35:23
Speaker 3: On the other side, we're going to talk about how
35:25
Speaker 3: there's a little joy in today's news poll for the
35:28
Speaker 3: Labor government. Paul Murray will join me to talk through
35:31
Speaker 3: those poles and also the coalition's fresh push now to
35:34
Speaker 3: overturn that indigenous heritage ban on the gold mine in
35:37
Speaker 3: New South Wales.
35:38
Speaker 2: More on that after this.
35:44
Speaker 3: Let's get back to that dopey decision to effectively block
35:47
Speaker 3: a gold mine in the central west of New South
35:49
Speaker 3: Wales on dubious indigenous heritage grounds.
35:53
Speaker 2: The Coalition is trying to get it overturned.
35:55
Speaker 3: They had a Senate disallowance motion go down narrowly the
35:58
Speaker 3: other week, but Shadow Environment to Jonathan Dunningham tells me
36:02
Speaker 3: they're not giving up on that fight.
36:05
Speaker 21: No, we won't give up, Chris, because the right thing
36:07
Speaker 21: that needs to be done here. It is in the
36:09
Speaker 21: national interests to allow this mind to proceed. Labor calls
36:13
Speaker 21: itself the friend of the worker. They want to have
36:15
Speaker 21: a future made in Australia. Yet they have the spurious
36:18
Speaker 21: and in the minds of some fabricated claims on indigenous
36:22
Speaker 21: cultural heritage as a basis for blocking a MIND that
36:25
Speaker 21: have full state and full federal environmental and planning approval.
36:29
Speaker 21: It is the wrong decision and that's why we gave
36:32
Speaker 21: Senator as an opportunity with our disallowance motion to overturn
36:36
Speaker 21: the decision. It was the right thing to do. They
36:39
Speaker 21: failed on that count. So they've now got a second chance,
36:42
Speaker 21: and that is to backing a bill that would again
36:45
Speaker 21: overturn municipally the sex decision. Because as anyone will tell you,
36:49
Speaker 21: this company, the proponents of the mind, Regius Resources, have
36:52
Speaker 21: complied with every rule of the land, including when it
36:55
Speaker 21: comes to cultural heritage. So we're going to keep up
36:58
Speaker 21: the fight and hopefully we get the right outcome.
37:00
Speaker 3: Now, well, this bill will pertain only to this particular
37:04
Speaker 3: mine and this particular cultural heritage intervention, because surely we
37:09
Speaker 3: need something that actually looks at the system here where developers,
37:13
Speaker 3: whether it be for a mine, any sort of project,
37:16
Speaker 3: you actually deal with one official cultural heritage authority if.
37:21
Speaker 2: You like, and which is what happened in this case.
37:25
Speaker 3: The local Orange Aboriginal Land Council gave the mind the okay,
37:29
Speaker 3: they had no objections in the end, and you get
37:32
Speaker 3: another group coming in.
37:33
Speaker 2: Do we need to have some certainty here that you're.
37:36
Speaker 3: Actually dealing with the appropriate authority so that once you
37:39
Speaker 3: get a decision you can move forward.
37:43
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well absolutely, First, just on the bill.
37:45
Speaker 21: It does only deal with this mind and this location
37:48
Speaker 21: and the concerns that were raised by this small group
37:50
Speaker 21: of locals, and that is a problem. It's based on
37:54
Speaker 21: the hind Marsh Island rejected nineteen ninety seven, which I
37:57
Speaker 21: think you've written about previously, and it is a good
38:01
Speaker 21: tool to be able to overturn a bad decision. But
38:03
Speaker 21: you're right, we do need certain to hear. I just
38:06
Speaker 21: traveled to West Australia a couple of weeks ago. The
38:09
Speaker 21: number one thing on every potential investor's mind was sovereign
38:13
Speaker 21: risk and the piece of legislation that Tenu Pleito sect
38:17
Speaker 21: relied on to make this decision, the Aboriginal and Torres
38:20
Speaker 21: Strait Island a Heritage Protection Act of nineteen eighty four,
38:24
Speaker 21: Section ten in particular, is one of the most open
38:27
Speaker 21: ended pieces of legislation I have ever seen. Anyone who
38:31
Speaker 21: claims to be Aboriginal or of Torres straight Islander descent,
38:34
Speaker 21: who feels that a piece of land or a waterway
38:38
Speaker 21: that is at risk of desecration and they have a
38:41
Speaker 21: link to it, they can submit a written or oral
38:43
Speaker 21: claim and the Minister then goes through a process and
38:46
Speaker 21: makes a decision. As minisip livcected on this occasion, it
38:50
Speaker 21: needs tightening up. We've committed that we will rewrite that legislation,
38:54
Speaker 21: will do it properly.
38:55
Speaker 1: Investors need to know who they're dealing with.
38:56
Speaker 21: They can't go through these full on processes and then
38:59
Speaker 21: get to the end and faced this decision.
39:01
Speaker 1: That is a terrible outcome on any measure.
39:03
Speaker 3: Well, it's not just the developers of the mine and
39:05
Speaker 3: the people who support the mine who are absolutely frustrated
39:08
Speaker 3: and outraged by this decision. It's the Aboriginal groups themselves,
39:12
Speaker 3: the Aboriginal Land Council, who now see themselves as being irrelevant.
39:16
Speaker 3: There's going to be a meeting in Orange next month
39:19
Speaker 3: of representatives of Aboriginal land councils right around New South Wales.
39:23
Speaker 2: So concerned are they about this decision.
39:26
Speaker 3: So shouldn't at the very least the Minister be actually
39:30
Speaker 3: reopening this case and investigating the claims that were put
39:34
Speaker 3: forward because a lot of Aboriginal representatives and groups say
39:38
Speaker 3: it should have been dismissed.
39:40
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and you're right.
39:42
Speaker 21: The Orange Local Aboriginal Land Council actually did delvecat on
39:46
Speaker 21: this group and said, look, we're concerned that this group
39:48
Speaker 21: of individuals have united and are confecting claims. They are
39:53
Speaker 21: hijacking a process to get no out come they want.
39:56
Speaker 21: When it was the Orange Abriiginal Land Council that is
39:58
Speaker 21: recognized at law as the authority to speak on behalf
40:02
Speaker 21: of country. So there is something very amiss here. And
40:06
Speaker 21: Roy RC, who happens to be where a jury elder
40:09
Speaker 21: came to Orange to the Bush Summit, and he spoke
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Speaker 21: up about how he feels about it. He said, her
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Speaker 21: decision basically undercuts decades of advancement in recognition of Indigenous
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Speaker 21: rights and control over land, and it basically renders the
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Speaker 21: Aboriginal land councils that have been established across the country
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Speaker 21: as ineffective and no longer going to have any effect
40:34
Speaker 21: on these outcomes. So if someone like Roy RC is
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Speaker 21: saying that who happens to be from that neck of
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Speaker 21: the woods and we're a jury elder, it does make
40:43
Speaker 21: you wonder why any privacy doesn't want to reopen the
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Speaker 21: books and tell us why she's made the decision she
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Speaker 21: has and at least overturn it.
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Speaker 3: Just finally, on this, Jonathan, how infuriating is it that
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Speaker 3: we can't get this basic stuff right that's so important
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Speaker 3: to the economy and to coll aboriginal groups.
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Speaker 2: We're completely making a hash of that.
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Speaker 3: Yet we have a so called First Nations ambassador flying
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Speaker 3: around the world spending hundreds of thousand of dollars talking
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Speaker 3: about goodness knows what's about climate change and god knows
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Speaker 3: what else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I'll tell you what.
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Speaker 21: I don't think there are many disadvantaged First Nations people
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Speaker 21: out there doing much better because of the so called
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Speaker 21: First Nations ambassador. I mean this actually demonstrates perfectly the
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Speaker 21: tokenistic approach taken by some.
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Speaker 1: Frankly, I think it is offensive that.
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Speaker 21: Anyone would be masquerading in such a role, and I
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Speaker 21: think Peter Dutton's right.
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Speaker 1: The role needs to go.
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Speaker 21: How can someone in central Northern Territory and some of
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Speaker 21: those remote communities point to that role and go, yes,
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Speaker 21: I am benefiting as a result. It makes people in
41:44
Speaker 21: Canberra feel better, probably parts of Melbourne and Sydney too,
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Speaker 21: but it's doing two fifths of nothing to help people
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Speaker 21: actually need a help.
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Speaker 3: In hand, we have ambassadors for Australia, for Australia, for
41:56
Speaker 3: all Australians.
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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining us, Jonathan.
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Speaker 1: Thanks Chrit.
42:01
Speaker 2: It's crazy old world.
42:02
Speaker 3: It gets crazier and crazier under the Albernezi Labor government.
42:05
Speaker 3: Let me bring in the Sky News host Paul Murray
42:07
Speaker 3: Live comes in early for us.
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Speaker 2: Love it on a Monday, Mate, Tell me about this pole.
42:12
Speaker 2: You are surprise, surprise people are dropping off him.
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Speaker 3: I mean he got one of the lowest primary votes
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Speaker 3: ever when he got into government and it's gone backwards
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Speaker 3: since then there must be alarm bells.
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Speaker 22: Well, you know what's the rule in politics when you're
42:25
Speaker 22: tired of saying it, That is when people start to
42:26
Speaker 22: under you know how repetitively I've said.
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Speaker 13: Their promise was it would all get better. Yeah, the
42:32
Speaker 13: central promise. Right.
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Speaker 22: If Tony Abbott had promised to stop the boats and
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Speaker 22: then almost three years later they hadn't. In fact, they
42:39
Speaker 22: had increased, what would we all think of the failure.
42:42
Speaker 22: That's exactly the case here and on police. People are
42:46
Speaker 22: now starting to push back at a pole and starting
42:48
Speaker 22: to send a message to them because they are rattled.
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Speaker 13: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Now look Corlis haven't gone in front yet. The trends
42:54
Speaker 3: are that they could get there.
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Speaker 13: People.
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Speaker 3: You know, Peter Dutton's got to close the deal, YadA, YadA, YadA.
42:58
Speaker 3: But in an election campaign, picking up the point you
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Speaker 3: just made, you just got to run clips of Albo
43:04
Speaker 3: and Jim Chalmers, as we do offer on the show,
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Speaker 3: promising to put your power bills backwards by twa and
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Speaker 3: seventy five dollars, promising to get interest rates down, promising
43:12
Speaker 3: to ease your cost of living.
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Speaker 2: They have failed on all their own criteria.
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Speaker 13: At risk of annoying the internet, but that's what I
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Speaker 13: like to do.
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Speaker 22: You can't afford three more pears, yeap over over different version,
43:24
Speaker 22: different version, different version.
43:25
Speaker 13: But we might say about the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 22: Today again you know always marvels me sometimes how these
43:30
Speaker 22: guys sort of flum something that helps their argument. I
43:34
Speaker 22: think the supermarkets thing is big today because they can
43:37
Speaker 22: point to that as the singular action in and around groceries,
43:41
Speaker 22: which in the newsport today was being highlighted as a
43:44
Speaker 22: specific area of concern.
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Speaker 13: That's it.
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Speaker 2: But housing is number one.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, this is it. So let's deal with the reality.
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Speaker 22: Right, this is last month's inflation numbers. Okay, housing is up,
43:56
Speaker 22: Rents are up. Also, things like insurance premiums. Insurance premiums
44:01
Speaker 22: are up six point four percent, so the best part
44:04
Speaker 22: of close to double the overall inflation rate. And also,
44:06
Speaker 22: don't forget when they talk about arts, coals and woolies that.
44:08
Speaker 13: Are driving the basket of goods. Now.
44:12
Speaker 22: I know that your four fifths of bugger or people
44:14
Speaker 22: smoke anymore, but every couple every three months they increase
44:18
Speaker 22: the taxes.
44:19
Speaker 2: Right. I sent just on that point close to you.
44:21
Speaker 2: I sent my dad a couple of putts.
44:23
Speaker 3: I've got my sister to buy a couple of august
44:25
Speaker 3: house I've got to take a second mortgage.
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Speaker 2: Dad. Hope you enjoyed them. Yeah, cheap as they cost
44:30
Speaker 2: a bit.
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Speaker 22: Tobacco in the last month is up thirteen point nine percent.
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Speaker 22: It is the government that decides to have rent, electricity,
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Speaker 22: housing insurance in the basket of goods which go into inflation.
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Speaker 22: So don't buy the garbage. It's just supermarkets and it's
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Speaker 22: just groceries. It's an awful lot of things, and a
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Speaker 22: lot of things are way high.
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Speaker 13: But we'll see what happens this way, largely.
44:54
Speaker 3: Because the government pumping more and more money into the economy.
44:57
Speaker 3: I've got to get your thoughts on this. You've highlighted
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Speaker 3: this for me. This is a clip on the ABCT
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Speaker 3: the ethics apparently of having investment properties.
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Speaker 2: Have a look.
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Speaker 10: Is it ethical to own an investment property? Let's find out.
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Speaker 11: I think it's become an Australian way of life to
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Speaker 11: have at least one.
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Speaker 19: If people are investing and other people can't find at
45:16
Speaker 19: least one house to live in, that's probably not the best.
45:19
Speaker 12: When you see people earning multiple investment properties or hundreds
45:23
Speaker 12: of millions of dollars.
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Speaker 13: At a property portfolio and struggle to find that ethic call.
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Speaker 19: It's harder to see it being ethical because it's really
45:30
Speaker 19: hard for us to be breaking into the property market.
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Speaker 2: Ethical. If they didn't invest in property, you'd have nowhere
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Speaker 2: to rent.
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Speaker 13: Thank you, that's the point there, ABC yet again.
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Speaker 2: Thanks mate. See but at nine o'clock, nine o'clock Paul
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Speaker 2: Murray Live.
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Speaker 3: Don't miss it and don't miss the rest of the
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Speaker 3: show after the break, Sophie. Your's worth on media issues,
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Speaker 3: including the ABC and those warnings nearly two years ago
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Speaker 3: about these dodgy video and audio clips trying to smear
45:57
Speaker 3: our soldiers as war criminals.
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Speaker 2: Don't go way.
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Speaker 3: Let's get into media issues again with media writer for
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Speaker 3: The Australian Sophie Ollsworth, who joins us live from Melbourne.
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Speaker 3: Good to talk to you again, Sophie, and congrats on
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Speaker 3: your reporting on this issue. This absolute dodgy journalism by
46:15
Speaker 3: the ABC. We looked at in some detail last week.
46:18
Speaker 3: We've recapped hire in the program tonight, but I want
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Speaker 3: to go to this statement from Mark not Mark Scott,
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Speaker 3: sorry from the ABC last week from the editor in
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Speaker 3: chief for Anderson and he says it's now come to
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Speaker 3: my attention that in November twenty twenty two, the ABC
46:36
Speaker 3: legal was said a letter raising concerns about the audio editing,
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Speaker 3: and he says that at no point was this letter
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Speaker 3: or the information in the letter disseminated to ABC News.
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Speaker 3: Now this is outrageous, Sophie, and your reporting is added
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Speaker 3: to this, saying there's another legal letter to the ABC
46:56
Speaker 3: a month before that. How can they know about this
46:59
Speaker 3: Malfie for two years but only pulled down the stories
47:04
Speaker 3: last week after Channel seven exposed them.
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Speaker 23: Well, it appears to be a massive problem now, Chris
47:12
Speaker 23: on their hands and David Anderson in his statement really
47:17
Speaker 23: threw one of their lawyers under the bus there. But
47:21
Speaker 23: in the court proceedings that Heston Russell was taking that
47:24
Speaker 23: were afoot at the time, the defamation proceedings which I
47:28
Speaker 23: might add that he won, the lawyers were informed of
47:32
Speaker 23: issues not only with the docted audio but also with
47:36
Speaker 23: video content from that military operation in Afghanistan. So they
47:40
Speaker 23: have now announced that they are having an independent review
47:43
Speaker 23: into this. But it took two years for something to happen.
47:48
Speaker 23: It took seven Spotlight program for this video to be
47:52
Speaker 23: taken down in this docted audio and sometimes in this instance, Chris,
47:57
Speaker 23: it's not the crime that occurs, it's the cover up
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Speaker 23: and the ABC and now kicking the can down the road.
48:05
Speaker 23: I believe with an investigation that could take a very
48:07
Speaker 23: long time, you take the months, you've got to do
48:10
Speaker 23: something better than that, Cuily, Chris.
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Speaker 3: At the very least, let's hope parliamentary committees drill into this.
48:15
Speaker 3: But there should be something more transparent, quicker and more
48:18
Speaker 3: forensic than this, because.
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Speaker 2: There's already signs the ABC.
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Speaker 3: You're trying to say that, oh, the journals didn't know
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Speaker 3: about this, They'll blame some technical editing mishap. If you're
48:27
Speaker 3: collecting awards for this journalism, if you are calling people
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Speaker 3: war criminals, then you are responsible for the sound and
48:34
Speaker 3: the audio and the vision and the words that you
48:37
Speaker 3: put to air.
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Speaker 2: And they've got to take responsibility. Well they do, Chris.
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Speaker 23: And Justin Stevens last week, when I spoke to him
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Speaker 23: at the Melbourne Press Club, he said he didn't want
48:48
Speaker 23: to preempt the findings of what had happened here.
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Speaker 10: But in the same breath he's come out.
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Speaker 23: And said the reporters involved in this story had nothing
48:56
Speaker 23: to do with it now?
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Speaker 10: How can he say that.
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Speaker 23: When an investigation has not taken place in its entire entiretary.
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Speaker 23: It's already come out and said no, no, no, they're
49:08
Speaker 23: not at fault. So I think they're jumping the gun
49:11
Speaker 23: here a bit, Chris, and I think they need to
49:12
Speaker 23: be very careful because Heston Russell sued them successfully. He
49:17
Speaker 23: got four hundred thousand dollars in damages and it's cost
49:20
Speaker 23: the taxpayers of fortune just quickly.
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Speaker 3: Justin Stevens was the executive producer of seven thirty when
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Speaker 3: this went to air, and now he's the head of news.
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Speaker 2: Is that right? Is he?
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Speaker 5: No?
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Speaker 1: It's not, Chris. He had he had moved on, He
49:34
Speaker 1: had already moved.
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Speaker 10: On, but he was he'd already moved on.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's important to know. Thanks Sophie, all over as usual.
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Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Sovi Ellsworth keep reading her stuff in
49:44
Speaker 3: the OS in the media section, because this story ain't
49:46
Speaker 3: going away and there's plenty more as well.
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Speaker 2: Thanks for joining me. It's good to be back in
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Speaker 2: the chair. I'll be back here tomorrow night at five o'clock.
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Speaker 2: He's Kredlin