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S since. Okay, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
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I yes, I started telling you. I was just getting started. We're
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a little late. My name is Brian with Allison. Yeah. Well I
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was just reaching for time my fake orange juice and well because it's it's like
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a it's like one of those low sugar drink mixes, and it was yeah,
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I was reaching for and then suddenly the show I'm like, oh my
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god, Okay, all right, no, yeah, it's just sorry.
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Yeah, this is uh well, I didn't want to keep people waiting for
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too long, so yeah, exactly, this is maintaining frame number ninety nine.
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We've almost done a hundred of these. Wow, you do something special
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for one hundred, like girls hate boys, women most affective, probably something
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about women being victims. I'm guessing. I'm just good, you know,
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just spitballing here, but I'm guessing the next show. I think it's going
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to be somewhere in that ballpark. If there's ever a feminist initiative that doesn't
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have women as victims. I think I will probably wonder if I've entered an
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alternative reality. Yeah, parallel universe. There is another you with a go
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tee yea evil spock, an evil well, I mean it's not really an
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evil, just a goateed like yeah, anyway, but yeah, tell us
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what what are we doing today? And then do the things or do the
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things I don't know whatever, or doer you want to do it. We'll
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figure it out. Okay, we'll do it live, all right. So
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first I want to go through some relevant data about hostile sexism among men and
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women, what it tends to be associated with, what kind of activities it
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tends to be associated with, and then we are going to discuss a new
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initiative in the UK to confront boys for their misogyn wire. You know,
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it's funny that you mentioned that because on the New Show yesterday, Australia is
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also doing an initiative. They've hired, or they've appointed, I mean people
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actually get hired when they work for the government. Someone was appointed to essentially
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do something to address the online misogyny problem of Australian boys. And it's at
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the same time that we are learning that the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring
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us. It's almost like there's some broader thing at play here, some broader
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energy. Yeah, the mercury and retrograde oh man, no, yeah,
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so they're also doing the same thing in the UK. It's interesting that you
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brought up Australia because apparently, and this came across my desk. Take it
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with a grain of salt, because it's basically a tweet. Apparently there are
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two women in Australia whose identities remain anonymous, because that's what you do when
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women are accused of sexual violence, who raped and abused eighty children. I
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think that's more more people than are killed in domestic violence in the in Australia
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in a year. And yet we know campaign to confront women on their behavior.
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Never a campaign to confront women on their behavior. You know, that's
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just just is not something that we do. So but so, like I
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said, we're going to go through some of the statistics. Some of these
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statistics were brought up on last Friday's show. We'll take a little bit more
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of an in depth look at them because they're really fascinating and it's really telling
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what feminists decide to focus on even when it comes to men. All right,
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so before we begin, I do want to tell everybody if you want
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message. All right, So let's start with all right, let's put it
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on the screen. So we got this, Uh yeah, the first The
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first paper that I wanted to look at is uh and this is a segment
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from it if if you want to find it. It's called Gender Equality and
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Gender Hostility among University Students, a Multinational Analysis, and it's from two thousand
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and six. I wonder if the numbers have increased at this point, but
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okay, So it explains that seven point two percent of females and five percent
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of males agreed with four or five of the five gender hostility items. And
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it goes on to say that these are students who are more likely to sexually
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and physically aggress against dating partners and others. So the one of the reasons
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I want to bring this up is because hostile sexism in women is a predictor
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of women's sexual violence. So this isn't cute, It isn't retributive, like,
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it isn't a situation where oh, they get to do it because I
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don't know in the distant past, one hundred years ago, men tweaked their
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little toe or whatever the hell you know this is. This is something that
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has real world consequences to the men who engage with these women in real life.
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So I want people to start recognizing that hostile sexism towards men is harmful,
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right, and it causes harm, and it justifies harm, in particular
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harm in a sexually violent context. So we need to start recognizing that these
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these these for example, the feminists who come on Twitter and start having these
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really hostile attitudes towards men, are encouraging a culture that accepts and enables sexual
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abuse against men. Okay, so I'm not saying all women do this,
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and in fact, as we can see, you know, it's a minority
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of women who engage in this kind of behavior. I think for the most
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part, even the women who sort of passively agree with feminism probably don't agree
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with the extremely hostile components of feminism. And there are also women who are
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not feminists who have hostile attitudes towards men. So it's feminism seems to encourage
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this hostility, it seems to justify it more than encouraging it seems to justify
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it. So it gives a framework in which these hostile women have no expectation
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of overcoming and getting better and starting to take responsibility for their hostile sexism and
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removing it from their like just healing whatever they need to heal, you know.
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Dealing with whatever hanging up they have and stop being monumental assholes and potential
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sexual assaulters. Right. And the reason why, again, the reason why
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I'm bringing this up is that this isn't this is this is something that nobody
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seems to be ready to talk about and really is a serious issue. Women's
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hostile sexism has got to go. Okay, Yeah, there is absolutely no
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reason not to target it, not to recognize it, and not to get
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these women. Tell these women, this is not appropriate behavior. This is
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not something that is cute acceptable. But here's the problem. They have an
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entire ideological framework that justifies their hostile sexism through some of the thinnest and most
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illogical and irrational excuse making I had today. I was discussing this with someone
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on Twitter and she justified her current abuse of men and boys by saying,
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one hundred years ago they were that the people that she was abusing right now
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are engaging in sexism one hundred years ago. It's like, what are they
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Dracula for hundreds of years? No, there's no, they are not.
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They are not responsible for the behavior of men a hundred years ago. And
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if you are gonna make them responsible for the behavior of men one hundred years
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ago, then we have to have an honest look at the situation of men
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versus a situation of women now. One hundred years ago or one hundred and
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ten years ago, men were dying in a war that in many cases women
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shamed them into, in particular feminist women, and the White Feather Brigade White
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Feather Campaign was a feminist was definitely a feminist perpetuated, if not initiated,
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campaign of shaming men to go to war. So it's like, you gotta
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look at that certainly. I mean, if you just want to say,
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well, the past is the past, doesn't bear on the future, that's
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fine, or the current, that's fine. It's a perfectly acceptable position to
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take. But here's the position that I've seen feminist take when I call them
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out on their hostile sexism. Okay, in the past, men engaged,
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allegedly engaged in these behaviors that were oppressive towards women, and then I point
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out, well, what about all the sacrifices men had to make? And
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then they say, well, why are you bringing up the past because you're
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using it to justify learning men today like anyway, Okay, well, well,
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Okay, so I wanted to bring up the relative rates of hostile sexism.
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But there may be more current research into this, but this gives us
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a bit of a baseline. This was two thousand and six, so it's
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prior to social media. It may be that those numbers are quite a bit
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higher. Now, Yeah, I can imagine you want me to open up
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this, uh, this graph, this chart. Well, it's okay,
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I just want to I want to summarize this. So okay. Essentially,
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there are a bunch of other researchers who have been looking at a shift,
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a potential shift in millennial women's sexual behavior. In other words, millennial women
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are becoming more sexually abusive. That's that's the millennial shift. Now, they
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don't know if this is a genuine shift in behavior or a result of better
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reporting and a better awareness of women's sexual violence being a problem. Sorry,
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this is this particular subject. I have to remember to breathe. Yeah,
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this is this is this is my we what is the right word for it?
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This is the subject that really really bugs me. The fact that for
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just just to to explain feminist scholarship or feminist research into the subject of both
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like hostile sexism is one thing, but also sexual assault and domestic violence is
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done in the context of proving the feminist assertion that it is gendered, significantly
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gendered, and that men use it as a means to perpetuate patriarchal control.
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So they research this in order to prove their assertions about society, right,
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and through that process they essentially like anybody who's in like a non normative victim
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of sexual assault. That means male victims of women, not so much male
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victims of men. They'll allow that male victims of women, female victims of
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women, essentially female women victims of women. Basically, anybody who is in
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that category is specifically targeted for erasure by feminist academics researching the issue, right,
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And what they've been doing is they have been changing the survey instruments to
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try to minimize capture of female female or male victims of women or victims of
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women either they just call it something else besides rape. So if you're a
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woman who forces another woman to give her oral sex, or a woman who
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forces a man to penetrate her, that isn't that isn't rape. It's made
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to penetrate that kind of thing, And then recently, for example, that
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for the Center of Disease Controls National Intimate Partner and Sexual Violence Survey, they
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have changed the cur how they have conduct the surveys and what they survey,
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so now now in order, and this is specifically to try to frame things
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as in a way that reduces male victimhood and increases female victimhood. So now
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they're adding intrusive questions about the effect of the abuse on people, and that's
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that's so that they can say because women tend to internalize this stuff more,
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they tend to be more willing to talk about negative effects of sexual abuse and
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domestic violence on themselves than men. That does not mean that men feel less
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effects. And if you actually actually look at objective measures like sleep disturbances,
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drug use, eating disturbances, UH disturbances, and going to school and work
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and h becoming institutionalized or home homeless, men actually suffer more from these from
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these experiences, but when you ask them to say if they suffer more,
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they don't say it. So these researchers are going beyond just asking people about
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incidents, demanding that they express how much they cause them to suffer. I
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mean, can you believe that you're asking a victim not only to not only
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to recall their victimhood, but then to recall how much it made them suffer.
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And what's what's really amazing is that when the CDC changed its methodology to
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start asking these more intrusive questions and adding victims to rate their suffering, the
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rate at which people responded to their surveys started to go down to the point
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where they had to stop surveying because they were getting respond response rates less than
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a third. But could you I mean, can you understand why? I
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mean, for the first year there was okay, the second year people were
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not responding. H It's hard enough to say, hey, this happened to
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me. But then when researchers start saying, but how bad was it?
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Really? How bad was can you rate it on a scale of one to
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you're a man's and you should shut up? Like And also the researchers were
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specifically trained by feminists. Who knows where that led. And then the other
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thing is another way that they managed to try to minimize male The effect of
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domestic violence and sexual assault on men is to make victims or survivors then explain
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how many times they were victimized, and this is what they've done in New
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Zealand. They're like, it's not just enough to say did this happen to
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you? Now? People who experience victimization get intrusive, picky questions like,
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well, how many times could you really think carefully about the last time you
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were beaten, last time you had a weapon used to No? No,
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yeah, I want you to visualize each and every incidence and give me an
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exact number, like and this is feminist initiatives. They have absolutely no respect
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for the people they're interviewing and it they're doing this because they're trying to cut
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things up finer and finer and finer to reduce the rate that men appear to
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be victims relative to women. So they're engaging in this intrusive questioning with a
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high probability of secondary victimization for the sole purpose of attempting to frame everything in
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such a way that men as victims are minimized, because men are less likely
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to say if a man is raped five times in the last year, he
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may only say that it would happen once, because they're less likely to reveal
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every incident, right m. This is something that is particular to men when
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they reveal traumatic incidents, they tend to minimize them. They tend to not
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remember the total number of incidents if they remember them at all, especially when
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it comes to long term lifetime stuff. But then also to add to that,
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making male victims or tell you how badly this affected them in order to
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recognize it as a problem. Well, again, men don't necessarily articulate their
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trauma in the same way women do. That doesn't mean they're not experiencing it,
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because again, those physical measures are there, so and they do.
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All feminists do all of this in order to frame men as the lesser victims
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because they know they're finding parity. They're finding parity sexual assault numbers, they're
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finding parody and domestic violence, so they need to start making these intrusive,
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traumatizing additional questions to try to force the narrative in the way that they want.
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And they don't care. They do not give a crap that this is
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Unlike, can you imagine somebody calls you up and starts talking about incidents of
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rape and sexual assaults you've experienced, and then when you say, yeah,
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yeah, that happened, they start like drilling down into that and like can
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you just give me an exact number. Can you rate, from a scale
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of one to ten how much it affected you emotionally? Like? Can you
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imagine that? And yet this is what they're doing. It's completely unactable,
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and they're doing it specifically to reduce the rate at which it appears that men
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are victims because they want to maintain this idea that men are using domestic violence
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and sexual assault in order to in order to maintain patriarchal control over women.
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That is a pillar of feminist theory or allegation about society. Sorry again,
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I need to take a breath because this really really hingers me. This whole
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idea that certain non normative victims of sexual assault and domestic violence are being made
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invisible because they don't fit an ideological lens or they don't support a particular political
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attitude towards society is just. And here's the thing. When we look at
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the rates of hostile sexism and among university students and feminist interventions to deal with
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hostile sexism, feminists don't intervene with extreme hostile sexists even though these are the
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ones who are engaging in sexual assault, and that's including men. So they
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ignore hostile sexism even in men, to focus on milder forms of sexism in
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the general male population. So they they you know, it's like that that
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sign where you know you have the person who can veer off the highway.
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You know you have a highway, so you have a highway sign that says
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reducing the rate at which women are sexually victimized, and then you have a
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detour. And feminists have taken the detour that is feminist control over the narrative
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and continuous justification for money. Yep, Like they have literally decided not to
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embrace interventions that reduce the rate at which women become victims. Let's just pretend
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we don't care about men, because you know they don't. They are literally
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choosing more female victims at the same time as everybody's saying, oh feminist,
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they speak for women, No they don't. They absolutely one don't. Well,
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I mean, if you have female victims, then you obviously have a
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need for more feminism. Yeah, because now there's more, so of course,
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like this is it's a win win for that, yes, And you
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know, I for the longest time I resisted this because I remember when Aaron
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Pizzy brought this kind of thing up that feminists took over these issues. They
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took them over in order to turn them into something that made money. And
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I thought, well, that seems a little conspiratorial. No, nope,
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And again this is this is the proof right in Gender equal Equity and Gender
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Hostility. I know it's a little bit coded in the final paragraph, but
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they are literally saying that feminists choose to focus on the least useful interventions in
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actually reducing rape in order to focus on something that gives them more control over
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the culture and the narrative of college campuses and more justification for spending money,
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because I mean, you know, if you actually target the people who are
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likely to sexually assault, you might actually reduce it, which means you might,
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you know, get less money the next time. You know, if
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you you know, if you reduce the rate at which people are being sexually
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assaulted on college campuses, how can you justify getting more money? Yep?
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Yep? All right? Is there another thing we should be looking at another?
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What do you want to look at the other or do you want to
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get into the articles or what? Well, actually, I just want to
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point out that's what's interesting to me is that we have a two thousand women's
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motives for sexual initiation and aggression. It is a like a two thousand or
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nineteen nineteen ninety eight study, but it found that let's see scroll down a
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bit more, scroll down just a bit more right here. Yeah, actually
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the it's cutting it off, but about nine percent of oh I bet this
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will open up in another Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, actually,
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yeah, so nine percent forced a partner to have sex using a weapon,
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nine percent, yeah, by threatening, with eight point nine percent at the
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bottom. Yeah, it's at the bottom, so they confess to using a
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weapon to force sex on a partner. Now, in a later survey from
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like twenty twenty, the number is about seven percent. But what interests me
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interests me is that is approximately the percentage of women with that was found to
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have hostile sexist attitudes towards men. Now, I'm just putting it out there.
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I don't know if there, I mean, there is a connection between
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hostile sexism and sexual assault among women. I don't know if all the women
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who are engaging in hostile sexism towards men have skeletons in their closet. But
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that does seem like quite the coincidence. The number of hostile female sexists almost
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equals the number of women using weapons to force sex. Weird coincidence, all
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right, Knowing this, knowing that hostile sexism in women is an indicator of
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sexual assault, and we should probably care about that because you know, I
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guess, I guess I can't say that we should probably care about that because
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people don't. But I think we should care about that. I think we
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should care about that, that hostile female female women who are hostilely sexist engaging
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in violence and sexual assault against men, and that we should care about that,
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and that that is important. Understanding that, understanding the prevalence of hostile
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sexism in women against men. You know, let's look at this UK initiative
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to target misogyny in boys. This one, yeah, yeah, that one.
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All right? So this is from Internetmatters dot org. What is misogyny?
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I you know what, I've never heard of this term. I am
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not familiar with with massauding. But before we get into that, I think
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I got a couple super childs I should probably take care of. So sorry
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about that, Alison, But Richard Bierre is sending us superchowd, so I
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got one from him for five dollars, and he says, two strong and
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independent women in Australia were victimized by eighty perpetrators. Their identities are kept anonymous
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by virtue of the fact that they are the victims of the story. The
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solution is more seminars to teach boys and adolescents males how to properly apply nail
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varnish to combat their toxic masculine. And then he sent another super chow and
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said for five dollars, it says, I wonder if these surveys were conducted
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the same way that Indian telemarketing call centers operate. The person who calls you
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to determine if you qualify then transfers to the senior supervisor, who asks the
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exact same questions all over again. Transfer you to the verification officer, who
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does the exact same series of questions to inform you that the person who actually
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is behind the product or service will call you back in two or three business
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days. All right, well, thank you for all of that, Richard.
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Okay, sorry, Alison, I just wanted to get those because they
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sent them through. I want to read them before they disappear. So all
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right, Alison, you're muted. For some reason. Yeah, I'm muted
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because I don't want to Oh, okay, okay, yeah. This this,
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this whole thing that feminists are doing is they're forcing men to or male
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victims, mail survivors, victims, whatever, however you want to determin it.
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Men who have experienced domestic violence and sexual assaul particularly by a woman,
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they are forcing them to jump through more and more and more hoops, knowing
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that it's hard enough for a man to say yes when somebody asks him,
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have you been raped? Or have you experienced force sex? So they know,
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they know that they're creating this obstacle course of attrition in order to reduce
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the rate at or to reduce the perception of male victimhood. And it's actually
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despicable and I'm in I'm like, I'm currently in an argument with someone who's
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insisting I'm refusing to see that feminists are doing this. And feminist analysis of
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these issues is that they are gendered and that men use sexual assault and domestic
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violence as a means to enact patriarchal control against women. That is the feminist
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analysis of these issues. I mean, there may be subparts, but they
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all go back to that. Domestic violence and sexual assault is gendered, men
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use it against women. They all come back to that, all right,
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yep, okay, let's let's let's let's see. Let's see what they have
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to say about misogyny. What they really care about. These are those initiatives
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that I mentioned before. Instead of targeting hostile sexism, they target the sexism
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that isn't consistent with really anything, It doesn't really predict much of anything.
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They target cat turd saying repeal the nineteenth Yes, yes, exactly, yeah,
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exactly, guys, the young guys being edgy online is basically killing women.
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Yeah. And and instead of targeting the Andrew Andrea dorkinites who have absolutely
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horrific takes and hostile sexism towards men, you know, they don't target them.
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And then you know what, they don't even target the guys who are
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really hostily sexist against women, because in part, that would mean it wouldn't
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be a consciousness raising like it wouldn't be like Glee cub Glee club bullshit that
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you can just get, you can just justify year after year because it doesn't
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do anything. It would actually be targeted interventions. It would be therapy.
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It would be i don't know, just shelters. Yeah, that's the other
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thing. The other thing is why are they also target the lead like the
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like men on college campuses are less hostily sexist than women, and yet they
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target the men. Maybe the men are hostilely sexist in response to the women.
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You know. Yeah, but regardless, that's what you should be targeting,
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male or female. That you should be used. You should have specific
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targeted efforts towards reducing the rates of extreme hostile sexism if you want to move
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the needle with domestic violence or sexual assault period. But instead they're doing this
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like they're they're targeting, like you said, cat turds saying repeal the nineteenth
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Yeah, and alas being edgy. Yeah, let's find out this guy's saying
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make me a sandwich or go go back to the kitchen like that. Like
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that's that's what we have to like spend you know, hundreds of thousands of
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taxpayer dollars to address because a woman was had her feelings hurt by a guy
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who who could be like a thirteen year old kid with a phone. That's
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just like I remember a while ago there was this one feminist man. It
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was years ago, but she was. I think it was Jess Phillips,
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who was, uh we're talking about essentially a member of parliament, Yeah,
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and send uh Sargon. No, no, it wasn't Sargon. It wasn't
33:45
Sargon. It was but I think it was. Oh no, no it
33:49
was. It was actually Clementine Ford. It was Clementine Ford. And she
33:52
was she like posted an argument she had in her DMS with literally a teenage
34:00
boy who was just calling her names and saying that she's lame and ugly and
34:05
fat, and that was like and that was like her call to action.
34:07
Look at this teenage boy essentially behaving like a kid in a call of duty
34:13
lobby at me and I and and we read it. I remember we read
34:16
through the things because the boy was like so he was so hilarious and it
34:22
was so funny that she was so upset. But anyway, Yeah, I
34:24
mean basically, if you if you if you trivialize feminists like like they're you
34:32
know, they're there there, I don't know, work or whatever, if
34:36
you yeah, their beliefs, if you make fun of them, then they
34:38
will turn it into like a massive deal a campaign. Yeah, and they'll
34:44
raise like shit tons of money, you know, yeah, and they'll do
34:45
all of that while ignoring the extreme hostile sex like gg I know they're going
34:52
to ignore extreme hostile sexism and women, but they're going to ignore extreme hostile
34:55
sexism in men. And again, it's because it doesn't give the the ability
35:00
to control the overall narrative. It calls for specific interventions for for both men
35:07
and women. It probably call like some kind of therapeutic intervention to get over
35:10
whatever abuse that they themselves have suffered, right, so that that that's not
35:15
something that really feminism is about. Feminism is about being able to control speech,
35:21
being able to control like, being able to control behavior like what most
35:28
people would consider an ocuous behavior, and being able to shame people. That's
35:32
what they're about. And literally, once again that image of the the the
35:39
highway, and you can see the sign that says, yeah, reducing the
35:45
rate on the highway. It says reducing the rate at which women get raped
35:51
by by targeting hostile sexism. And you could also be reducing the rate at
35:57
which men get raped by targeting hostile sexism and women. And but but feminists
36:01
are going on the off ramp, are drifting into the off ramp. Yep,
36:06
towards cat Dirt says something edgy on the internet. Yep, exactly that
36:10
that's gotta be addressed. Okay, all right, So what is misogyny?
36:16
Prevent and tackle hate online against girls. Misogyny is a form of online hate
36:22
that wait, I thought, so the so does that mean that if you're
36:27
not online you can't be misogynists? Okay, all right, all right,
36:34
misogyny is now I know what to do when I really want to, like
36:37
just say what I think about women, I'm just gonna log out and I'm
36:39
gonna go out under the street. So anyway, misogyny is a form of
36:44
online hate that targets women and girls. It's promoted in different communities online where
36:49
influencers promote a narrative that women should be treated as less than men. Explore
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where misogyny is introduced to young people online and the effective actions you can take
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challenge these ideas with this guy. So there's a guy. Episode is a
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form of online hate. So is there any other or there's so there's a
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button it says tips talk about misogyny. Then there's see research and there's a
37:15
video. You want to look at this video. I'm kind of curious if
37:19
it's short, we'll see. I don't know how it's one it's one minute
37:22
long. Yeah, this will be fun mate, Yeah, this is gonna
37:28
be I'm I'm bracing my spine. Okay, careful, watch out, guys.
37:35
Quick tips for parents and terrors. What is massady? Is? This
37:38
is gonna be the same thing reiterated. You can't hear it. Misogyny is
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the hate of girls and women. It spreads online in different communities and on
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social media. But there are things you can do to tackle this online hate.
37:52
There's just music. It's okay, talk about it. That is okay.
37:59
I'm just pausing just in case. Ye beardy man, old old wise
38:02
beardy hipster guy. And the funny thing is is they say that this is
38:08
this is like a it's a framework that makes women less than men. But
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what do we have here? We have old wise beardy man saving a girl
38:20
from misogyny because yes, of course she can't do it. She can't do
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it. She doesn't. Damsel's like she's looking at her phone like, oh
38:30
my god, he's killing me. I've been shot, oh man, like
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serious, But this entire framework is that men have to save women. Are
38:44
girls from this? Yeah? And it's like, okay, so again we
38:49
know that hostile sexism is more prevalent among girls, and yet boys don't need
38:55
to be saved from that. And they're gonna know, they're going to see
39:00
the girls around them engaging in hostile sexism and nobody calling them out for it,
39:06
and them having to suck it up when they experience it from girls,
39:10
and they their their behavior is held to a higher standard than the girls around
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them. What is that but presenting girls as lesser, more defined by their
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victimhood. And you know, the funny thing is is they talk about,
39:27
oh oh, women aren't achieving. Well, I mean, let's set aside
39:30
biological factors. Don't you think creating an atmosphere where you present girl's behavior as
39:37
less meaningful or impactful girls decisions to be hostily sexist as less meaningful and impactful
39:46
than boys, you know, behavior, You don't think that creates the very
39:51
circumstance that leads girls to think that their actions and behaviors are less have a
39:58
less are less meaningful in the great your world like you're constructing this, You're
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constructing this entire framework that women are lesser or girls are lesser by treating their
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hostile sexism as less important than boys. By holding them to a lower moral
40:14
standard, you are telling them that they are lower. I mean, you're
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not telling them, you are demonstrating it. Yeah, you know what,
40:22
It's a lot more meaningful when somebody says I'm a peaceful person while they're punching
40:28
you in the face. They're saying one thing and they're demonstrating another. Which
40:32
do you think is more accurate to reality? Mm hmm, okay, all
40:39
right, let's play some more so talk about it. By the way,
40:44
can I just say that I hate this like corporate art that that seems to
40:47
be so prevalent these days. It's like the kind of stuff you see in
40:52
a bank or like a grocery store. Yeah, yeah, go ahead,
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I'm sorry. Keep talking about misogyny and online. Hey, even when the
41:02
news isn't what the When the news isn't what talking about misogyny and online?
41:09
When is that happening? Like the news is always talking about that? Are
41:14
you kidding me? Just go to the Guardian any day of the week.
41:17
Keep enforcing the role of victim onto your daughters. Yeah, make sure that
41:22
they live in perpetual state of fear. Yeah, perpetual they'll let them ever
41:27
escape from the misogyny. I mean, if she even has a single moment
41:30
where she's feeling comfortable in herself and thinking about what kinds of things she can
41:35
achieve in the future, you grab that, you grab whatever, that textbook
41:39
away from her, and you say it's time for you to think about misogyny
41:43
again, Little Susie, don't forget you're a victim. Like yes, sick,
41:50
It's about having a conversation about having a conversation, So tackle the tough
41:54
topics before they find out somewhere else has to tell you what they know.
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Make these conversations a normal part of everyday life. Are you trying to inculcate
42:07
paranoia? Yeah, I understand the pressure. Is this a boy like resistance,
42:12
Yes, a boy to tell to tell a woman to make him a
42:15
sandwich or sew him, sew him some new socks, or something like nit
42:20
me some socks. Pressures from social media, friends, and society could impact
42:27
their thoughts and actions. Discuss how their friends might impact their actions. Boy,
42:30
that's really going really quick from the boys end. Yeah, I know.
42:35
Work together to set boundaries, show them how and when to see support.
42:39
Okay, challenge the narrative. Again, girls or at least college aged
42:47
women, demonstrate more hostile sexism than men. Okay, we're just pretending that
42:54
doesn't happen, Like don't you think that that might? Yes, they are
42:59
sexes and boys. The fact that you are holding them to a higher standard
43:04
and expecting them to swallow the same behavior from women or women and girls directed
43:08
at them, you don't think that makes resent That creates resentiment, Like why
43:14
are you doing this? I know why you're doing this. You want to
43:19
inculcate boys with this role of victimizer, and you want to inculcate girls with
43:23
this role of a victim And somebody we act. Recently, there was someone
43:30
on Twitter. I know, Twitter's like my brain space that probably says something
43:34
very bad about me. But they pointed out that you can't say that a
43:39
woman is a woman because she has a vagina. She can't say that a
43:43
woman is a woman because she has a uterus or breasts. You can't say
43:45
a woman is a woman because she has X Y chromosomes or sorry, xx
43:50
chromosomes. You can't say a woman is a woman because she wears dresses or
43:54
makeup. You can't say a woman is a woman because she's feminine. The
43:59
only thing you can say say makes a woman is being oppressed. That is
44:07
the feature, yeah, by men. That is the one feature that women
44:12
have. That's the one thing that that's left to them is to be to
44:19
just be something that that that men write their actions on. Mm hmm.
44:23
That's it. That's so, it's like, that's horrified. It's so horrifying
44:29
you almost can't wrap your mind around it. Yep. And and then the
44:34
people who do this, the people who essentially promote this in children, they
44:39
think they're doing the right thing. I little little Susie, don't you know
44:47
that nothing defines you as a woman except your victimhood? Yeah, of course.
44:55
And your response to your victimhood is to become the worst stereotypical version of
45:02
masculinity that we can vomit up. You know, response to being a victim
45:08
because you're a woman is to turn it into gilgemish before inka do. Okay,
45:14
Yeah, all right, let's play the rest of this. Yeah,
45:17
challenge a narrative. People who promote misogyny prepare their followers for rejection. Challenge
45:27
this. Instead, instead of telling a child these ideas are wrong, ask
45:31
them to talk about their beliefs, ask critical thinking question in a calm and
45:36
positive Oh oh, I see what they're saying. We promote the fact that
45:43
well, yeah, okay, all right. I think that they're basically targeting
45:45
people like us. Okay, this is what If you are a young man
45:50
listening to this, just ask them why they aren't addressing hostile sexism and girls?
45:58
Why are you being held to a moral standard? And then why are
46:01
they saying blame pointing fingers at everyone else about treating women as lesser when they're
46:07
holding women to a lower moral standard, Like what is that but treating women
46:14
as lesser? Because this is exactly what they're doing. It is Yes,
46:17
they're holding women to a lower moral standard. They're ignoring women's behavior towards men
46:23
and boys to focus on men and boys behavior without considering the impact of women
46:31
and girls behavior. And that is actually the behavior of people with an unexamined
46:37
expectation that women's actions don't matter like this, this is saturated in the idea
46:44
that women are defined by being victims and that their actions don't matter. If
46:47
you don't recognize that women's actions matter when they are when they are directed against
46:54
men and boys, you don't recognize that women's actions matter at all, because
46:59
who are are the people who are not women? They are men and boys.
47:04
So where is the worth of women's actions supposed to come from except from
47:08
the people who are not women. And when you create this framework in which
47:13
women's actions are less morally important than men and boys, you create the framework
47:19
in which women, on a fundamental level see themselves as less impactful on the
47:23
greater world. And that attitude leads to self selecting out of all kinds of
47:30
things, right and especially a happy life. Yeah, so you know,
47:37
you, guys, you are perpetuating the very thing you call out in others
47:42
and then you blame the internet for it. Okay, all right, By
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the rest is get more advice the tackle misogyny and other online issues at Internet
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matters dot org. Well, thank you, Internet matters at org, which
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is where we are. Yeah, you are in what is massaging? And
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there's like sections missogyny from influencers, Because I'm pretty sure that's oh yeah,
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misogyny from influencers. Let's see research into massages. Shut up, how one
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dad deals with misogyny content Teen boys consume James Coomber unfortunate name of Wiltshire lives
48:27
with his wife and their two teenage sons. He worries about the misogynistic content
48:31
teen boys stupid case study that they invented. Oh is this not a real
48:37
person? No, I guarantee it isn't see how James deals with missogy that
48:43
comes from popular online influence and celebrities. Should I scroll down? Where does?
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Where does misogyny content come from? James struck a case study with a
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person so you can relate to it more. But oh, this is just
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invented ful. Oh my god, I already know where this is going.
49:00
I already know there's a complete lack of any kind of concrete details. Well
49:04
let's find okay, all right, So James and his wife this is like
49:07
being told as a story because you know, we're all five now. When
49:12
it comes to dealing with like actual adult shit, James and his wife are
49:16
increasing This is effected that men and women dealing with children. So you're right,
49:21
You're absolutely right. They're treating the parents of children like children. Yeah,
49:28
so James and his wife are increasingly concerned about misogynistic content online, especially
49:32
in recent years. Yes, massogy noir. Much of this misogynistic content comes
49:38
from well known influencers and celebrities on social media where his teen boys see it,
49:44
says James, quote, I've come across various examples, from Andrew Tate
49:51
to Donald Trump, of course, and Jeremy Clarkson. I don't know who
49:55
Jeremy Clarkson is, but I want to. I want to find out now
49:58
because I probably should be. Let me just see, he says. When
50:04
these stories hit the news, James talks to his sons and is careful to
50:07
make sure that they feel able to share their own perspective. When we first
50:12
talked about Jeremy Clarkson's comments about Megan Markle, okay, there was something to
50:16
do this, like, I just want to intervene here. If you are
50:20
a young man and your parents do this, don't bring up these these online.
50:24
Oh, Jeremy Clarkson is the guy from that the specific incidences that you
50:30
have experienced where your feelings and have been dismissed, where you have experienced bullying
50:38
by girls, where you have experienced negative emotional reactions to narratives of male blame,
50:46
like bring up your experiences. Yeah, don't bring up these these influencers.
50:52
I know there's a tendency to just do her mentality, bring up your
50:57
personal experiences and you tell them. You keep asking why aren't you dealing with
51:01
this? Why aren't you dealing with my experiencing of bullying? Why aren't you
51:07
dealing with my experiencing experience of ball tapping in school and not having the girls
51:13
be actually punished for a violent sexual assault. Why aren't you dealing with my
51:16
experience that I'm expected to take it when a girl wails on me. Why
51:21
aren't you dealing with my experience that you know my feminist teacher marked me lower
51:25
for better work than female students. Keep it to specific situations where you have
51:32
experienced an imposition on your person, and keep them. Keep them to this
51:38
because you have a right to be considered as much of a human being as
51:44
any woman or girl right, and their actions towards you should also be judged
51:52
based on whether or not they are hostiley, sexist, disenfranchising, or chauvinistic.
51:59
You absolutely have a right to be treated like a human being, full
52:05
stop. Yeah. Yeah. So. Jeremy Clarkson is the guy from top
52:08
Gear, and he was on a show called Clarkson's Farm actually that I got
52:14
into, sorry, hold on Clarkson's Farm, which is the show I got
52:20
into for a minute. Uh okay, anyway, so I guess he said
52:23
something about Megan Markle. Okay, is she does she make it? Is
52:29
she still with us? I can't believe this, Like, oh my god,
52:32
a celebrity said something mean about another celebrity. We should all be concerned,
52:38
all right. When we first talked about Jeremy Clarkson's comments about Megan Markle,
52:44
there was some disagreement to begin with. His sons are both big fans
52:47
of top Gear and Grant Tour. They and they found it hard to accept
52:51
that someone they followed, had and watched for years, had made such a
52:54
derogatory comment. He says. Initially they tried to justify the comments, but
53:00
this was their hero worship rather than because they agreed with what he said.
53:04
See I don't know what he said, but I would have just said I
53:06
agree, fuck it. So okay. So there's this anecdote that they're using
53:15
to make a broader statement. And again it's completely like on its own,
53:19
it's an orphaned situation. There is no conversation about the reverse whatever. What
53:25
role does celebrity play in misogyny online? James often worries about the role celebrities
53:31
play in shaping the attitudes of the teenage boys who admire and follow them.
53:36
It's fairly easy to discuss why something is inappropriate when it's a big media story,
53:40
he says. But what's more concerning to me is the number of celebrities
53:44
we use the Internet to regularly make more minor in the eyes of the media,
53:49
comments that aren't picked up or discussed in mainstream media. The statements are
53:52
designed to be funny or banter, but their sexist and bullying behavior. This
53:58
drip of sexism tends to be brushed over by the media in favor or of
54:02
more shocking I guess it, says or but I think they mean of somebody
54:07
paid someone to write this. I just want to point it out of more
54:10
shocking or controversial stories that drive What are examples of this? I don't know.
54:16
Let's see, because we went through a whole bunch of times where feminists
54:22
would construct a boogeyman out of basically nothing, just emotional impressions. Yeah,
54:29
this sounds like this, but okay, well, yeah, I don't I
54:32
don't think that. I don't see is there a place where can find examples
54:36
because they're just they're just yeah, I'll keep going, Yeah, keep going.
54:39
Uh, James, this is the guy, so he is a real
54:43
person? Yeah bullshit? Probably AI Yeah right, deep bake. How can
54:47
you challenge accept as of misogynists the views. Both boys are keen users of
54:52
social media, and James encourages them to never take statements that look like facts
54:55
at face value. It's so easy to make statements on line that look like
55:00
facts. But I've lost count of the number of times one of my sons
55:04
has told us something as fact, but when we ask where the information is
55:07
from, it turns out to be TikTok. We always advise them look up
55:12
things on known websites such as the BBC or other reputable news outlets, rather
55:16
than trust social media sites. So there's your problem, right there? Are
55:24
you kidding me? Dude? On ever, any part of the spectrum,
55:30
go to the original studies and look at them yourself. Make sure to look
55:34
at their methodology. Make sure to look at if it's a self selecting sample.
55:38
So if a feminist shows you domestic violence study which is based on women
55:43
in a in a woman's shelter, that is not it's whatever finding that they
55:47
had is not extract is not cannot be extrapolated to the general population much of
55:54
not even of the general population of women who experienced domestic violence. Okay,
55:59
so you always look at the studies, look at these sources. If it's
56:05
not published in like pub or it's not available through PubMed or research gate or
56:12
all an actual genuine place where they consolidate, like academic article, our journals,
56:20
or our studies, don't don't. I never go by the newspaper unless
56:25
I've looked at the studies that it's summarizing in the article, and I know
56:30
that they're been accurately summarized by that news news article. Otherwise, Yeah,
56:36
what I mean directly to the studies referenced. Never trust the news summaries of
56:42
studies. Never. Yeah, but I don't even think this is about studies
56:45
saying statements that look like facts. So what this is is simply an appeal
56:51
to the cathedral. They're saying, listen to what the media says, period.
56:57
But he's saying if it's not coming from the media or an act academic
57:00
or an intellectual or a politician, then it's probably not true. And the
57:05
thing the thing is too is that even academic studies should be taken with a
57:08
gigantic rate of salt, because yeah, so you have to look at yeah,
57:13
exactly. But but I don't even think I don't think teenage boys are
57:15
looking at studies. I think they're like on TikTok and they're getting information and
57:21
there are there are a lot of people on TikTok sharing information and sure,
57:24
you know you should probably be challenging it. But this this bother, I
57:30
guess, is just saying don't listen to any of them unless they're saying the
57:35
approved things, Like that's it, Like it's all about what's the approved narrative,
57:38
Because I bet if it was like some influencer. There's plenty of influencers
57:42
on social media that are literally paid by the government to spread their information.
57:47
And if that was the influencer that his kids watched, he probably say,
57:51
yeah, that sounds good. They probably got that from BBC, ABC,
57:54
CBS, MSNBC, CNN, whatever, and that makes it okay, Harvard
58:00
Yale, you know. So anyway, I mean, like trust the media
58:06
is already a fail in my opinion, big l from whoever this guy is?
58:10
This guy anyway, James says that the online environment can create a culture
58:15
where teens see misogynistic behavior as acceptable. If it's okay for celebrities and politicians
58:21
to make these comments unchallenged in the media, then surely they must be acceptable
58:25
for teenagers to make. Remember when he says celebrities and politicians, he means
58:30
celebrities and politicians that he doesn't like, not because they might actually say something
58:36
wrong, but because he doesn't like them and he was told not to like
58:39
them by the media, celebrities and other politicians. I got a super chow
58:45
from the one good man for five bucks, thank you, And he says
58:50
for five bucks. Feminists all say all men are walking abortions and also shout
58:54
their abortions. Therefore, feminists do not hate men. Checkmate, He's joking,
59:00
okay. So as teenagers, the boys also worry about the growing negativity
59:07
towards young men in the media and worry that online misogyny means men are tarred
59:12
with the same brush unfairly. Well no, they're like, yeah, we
59:16
we we live in a misinterest like straight up missingers culture, and if your
59:21
boys are noticing it, they're right too. So what are you gonna do.
59:24
You're gonna blame, You're gonna You're gonna fret about this. It sounds
59:28
like what he's saying is is that worrying about online misogyny means that their boys
59:36
will be tarred with the same brush because there is a growing negativity towards young
59:42
men. Sounds like mystery should probably be addressed. Yeah yeah, I mean,
59:49
like, if your sons are worried that women hate them, it's because
59:53
the the media is saying that men suck. So but what they're saying is
1:00:00
that they want to control the misogyny of other boys because that makes them seen
1:00:05
as good men as well. You know, I'm not people oh you see
1:00:08
with them? Yeah yeah, yeah, all that matters. And again,
1:00:13
once again, the states the stats show that female hostile sexism is a bigger
1:00:16
problem than male hostile sexism, which is amazing when you think about it.
1:00:21
We live in a patriarchy that judges women by how well they benefit men,
1:00:24
and yet hostile sexism against men is a bigger problem. I mean, it
1:00:29
makes perfect sense to me, Like, you basically tell one sex that any
1:00:32
anger, resentment, envy, or hostility that they feel towards the other sex
1:00:37
is not just okay, it's not just permissible, it is encouraged. Then
1:00:42
you're gonna get more of that, and then you discourage it in men as
1:00:45
much as possible. Then that even a man who admires a woman secretly hates
1:00:51
her, then you're gonna get less of that. Like they're creating the conditions
1:00:55
for these arguments. They don't even consider like hostile sexes and women to be
1:01:00
acceptable, women and girls to be acceptable. They apparently think it's justification.
1:01:06
Yeah, like it justifies itself identification for seeing the world as hateful towards women
1:01:14
and girls. So instead of saying, actually, I think you are sexist
1:01:16
towards men because you think you are blaming them for the world and you think
1:01:21
that they are against you. Instead of saying that, we say, no,
1:01:23
you're absolutely right, little Susie. The world is against you and men
1:01:29
hate you. Why don't you lop off your breast and become one so you
1:01:30
can enjoy that sweet, sweet, sweet male privilege. I can't, Actually,
1:01:35
you know, I've made that prediction, Like I guess six years ago
1:01:39
now that this entire narrative around, this entire feminist narrative, would lead young
1:01:45
women to identify as men unwittingly believing that that will improve their lot in life,
1:01:53
and that seems to have actually happened. You know, when I make
1:01:58
these predictions, I just do it because I'm like, Okay, well,
1:02:00
this is a thing that's occurring. What are the likely outcomes of it?
1:02:04
When it meets like this is an input into the system, what are the
1:02:07
likely output? What is the likely cause on that system? And then I
1:02:10
just run my little equation in my little brain pan and I come out with
1:02:14
something like that. And when I come out with I'm like, Eh,
1:02:17
is there really something that's gonna But I report on it, I'm like,
1:02:21
yeah, I think this is something that could happen. But in the back
1:02:22
of my head, I'm like, really, are women really going to identify
1:02:27
as men because they actually buy into feminist rhetoric. Well, it's in the
1:02:36
trans thing is blowing up, and more and more women are identifying as boys.
1:02:42
Well girls are identifying as boys. Yeah, among women it's like twenty
1:02:46
percent, which is crazy. But if you understand that it looks really appealing
1:02:52
to be a man because of everything that women are told about men and the
1:02:55
way that our anxiety is far, then it shouldn't be wonder that they're all
1:03:00
suddenly discovering or at least really strongly desiring to become Yes, yeah, And
1:03:07
I don't think it was blown up when I mentioned when I said this,
1:03:10
Like when I first said this, I think people were like nah, no,
1:03:15
mm hm. And yet then it blew up like crazy, like the
1:03:22
lid just blew off something in the nineteen twenty something something happened and the lid
1:03:28
came off the crazy yep, oh yeah, let's keep going all right?
1:03:31
So what can parents do to challenge misogyny? In light of these challenges,
1:03:38
James says he speaks regularly with his boys and offers this advice to other parents.
1:03:44
If a comment is funny or provocative, invite teenagers to consider how they
1:03:47
would feel if it was made towards a woman they know and like, okay,
1:03:52
and you never like, listen, do any of these parents ever stet
1:03:59
their tear teen age girl aside and say? How would you like to be
1:04:02
compared to a predatory animal? Right? That's not even funny or provocative,
1:04:09
it's dehumanizing. How would you like to be compared to a predatory and unfavorably
1:04:14
and favorably towards a predatory animal? How would you like to be subject to
1:04:18
a threat? Narrative? In which you are seen solely as a rapist.
1:04:23
You know. Actually, I've found out that women don't like that. They
1:04:27
always do not mind. Yeah, I've been bringing up this whole hostile sexism
1:04:30
and its correlation with sexual assault to women who are just displaying hostile sexism and
1:04:35
my tweeters, and they don't like that. They really do not like it
1:04:42
implied that they engage in sexual assault. They just really hate that. They're
1:04:46
like, that's very hurtful. It's a false accusation. I'm like, oh
1:04:49
no, and I'm not even I'm not even applying that they are the ones
1:04:53
doing And I'm saying that your hostile attitude correlates with being a sexual assaulter.
1:04:58
And they don't like that. And yet none of these parents take their teenage
1:05:03
girls aside and say, hey, hey, maybe comparing boys to a violent
1:05:10
predator not helpful, not nice, sort of hostilely sexist. Hey, but
1:05:18
they don't they expect boys to swallow this crap and turn and still be angels.
1:05:28
Yeah, and not only not only be angels while being said that they
1:05:33
are the devil. Like, that's what's astounding about this. They are these
1:05:39
people. Okay, girls have more hostile sexism. Boys have less. Girls
1:05:45
feel free to express their hostile sexism towards boys. Boys have to zip it
1:05:50
up. They can't, they can't rejoin because that's that's horrible. So girls
1:05:55
are free to do this. Boys have to swallow it. They have to
1:06:00
turn they have to act like angels, they have to turn the other cheek,
1:06:04
like like they are morally superior to girls. Well, they're certainly held
1:06:09
to a higher moral standard. And at the same time as they are expected
1:06:13
to turn the other cheek, they are expected to tolerate a disparagement that they
1:06:19
are the problem, that they're ones who are the problem. It's an awful
1:06:25
lot of emotional baggage you're shoving on your sons. Yeah, you know,
1:06:31
and honestly, just laugh at it if it's funny. Look, I'm a
1:06:38
woman. I know we have foibles, Like I know, we have weird
1:06:43
ways of thinking. So to men in their in they have their own particular
1:06:47
processes that can be considered amusing and irrational. So what have a laugh,
1:06:54
Get over it, move on. It's part about it's part of dealing with
1:06:58
people who are different. Yeah, okay, So back to the sources.
1:07:04
So there is some interesting stuff here. That could be fun. I don't
1:07:10
know, Okay, I want to do that. So we have because like
1:07:14
all this stuff is stuff that we've heard before, like oh, how do
1:07:17
you confront your kids? Et cetera. So there's they have advice broken down
1:07:21
into age groups. Six years old. Imagine cornering your six year old so
1:07:28
he's not sexist towards girls. Sounds this is all you know what this is.
1:07:31
This is all struggle session stuff like this is what you should do,
1:07:34
right, but but your son, yeah, how to abuse? How does
1:07:39
psychologically torture your son to essentially keep him in line for the cause? Right?
1:07:45
But there is there is this. So firstly we have your support on
1:07:48
site. What is the manisphere and why is it a concern? Then we
1:07:53
have this breaking down Gender Stereotypes quiz, which is a quiz you can actually
1:07:58
play and I'm gonna put it on screen here and show you bringing down gender
1:08:02
stereotypes online. Take this short quiz with your child to help them recognize how
1:08:06
gender stereotypes can impact them in online spaces and encourage them to respect and celebrate
1:08:13
differences. And you can actually do two players if you want. And they
1:08:19
have questions of different age groups. So I don't know something that we could
1:08:25
do if you wanted to. And then this is I'll share this one.
1:08:28
This is the What is the manisphere and why is it a concern? By
1:08:30
Jessica Aston, who looks totally chill and I feel like I've seen this before,
1:08:36
this image. I think this is used by was it Mel? Or
1:08:41
No? Was it that? Was it that? This this image I know
1:08:45
we've used seen this before. It was either mel magazine the man with barbed
1:08:53
wire around him? What do you want to do? Okay, no,
1:08:56
let's look at this. Let's look at this. Don't want to do all
1:08:59
of them? Yeah, le's look at jams. Jessica Aniston Eiston Aiston.
1:09:03
All right, So what is the manisphere and why is it a concern?
1:09:08
By Jessica Ayston Eiston PhD candidates so not actually a doctor, she is a
1:09:15
She is in college for her PhD, an associate lecturer in the Department of
1:09:19
Linguistics and English Language, which is totally about gender at Lancaster University or PhD
1:09:27
research investigates online misogyny and anti feminism in the manisphere. Jessica is a member
1:09:32
of the Mantrap Research Project. Oh that's an interesting name for a research project.
1:09:39
I will put that there and look into it later. Okay. The
1:09:45
man Trap Research project at Lancaster University explores misogyny and anti feminist language found in
1:09:49
male dominated the communities on various social media platforms. DHD candidate Jessica Eisten describes
1:09:57
the impact of these communities on young people and their int safety. Because we
1:10:00
all know the internet is so dangerous, what is the Manisphere? The Manisphere
1:10:05
is a network of online men's communities against the empowerment of women and who promote
1:10:13
the anti feminists and sexist belief Again, I just want to point out the
1:10:16
only, the only legitimate trait that we can say is feminine and female and
1:10:25
women at this point is victimhood. Mm hm, the empowerment of women.
1:10:30
You guys are empowering women? Are you? Like you say? Like?
1:10:36
They constantly say this. It's almost like they're lying. Almost all right,
1:10:45
I got a super child for a super chat. Sorry from Albert Nada retro
1:10:48
GISs five dollars Canadian and says my new favorite meme is a picture of bears
1:10:54
in a tree with the caption bears hiding from women. All right, thank
1:10:58
you for that. Okay, so they blame women and feminists for all sorts
1:11:03
of problems in society. Many of these communities encourage resentment or even hatred towards
1:11:10
women and girls. There are four main groups, women and feminists. No,
1:11:15
I blame feminists, and in fact, I don't even blame feminists anymore,
1:11:18
because I think that feminists are simply a branch of the modern currency system.
1:11:24
And I know that I cannot get into this because it's it's just it's
1:11:27
too it's too complex for the for like a stream. But it's not even
1:11:30
it's not even feminists. What feminists do, there's sort of like a almost
1:11:34
like a moral branch of fiat currency. What they do is they are specifically
1:11:42
reducing women down to guilt dispensers for men, Guilt and shame dispensers for men.
1:11:46
That's it, that's all women are supposed to be in their framework,
1:11:49
because it means that men have to earn a sense of personal value through something
1:11:57
other than themselves, and that is a way of getting them addicted to an
1:12:04
external source of recognition of value. And what is that but the fiat currency.
1:12:12
So essentially, the more feminists colonize women's brains and turn them. They're
1:12:17
like those those parasites that make the snails go up and get eaten by birds,
1:12:25
you know what I mean. They basically just colonize women's brains, flatten
1:12:29
out every aspect of their personality, emotion, and soul, and turn them
1:12:32
into a vending machine of guilt. And that's it, and it's part of
1:12:36
the it's a part of the organ of our society at this point. It's
1:12:40
it's like almost a necessary function to keep the Fiat currency from collapsing. And
1:12:45
I know that's a little bit rarefied. It requires a lot of explanation,
1:12:46
but simply it is, they strip men of an identity. Men have to
1:12:50
search for another way of earning an identity, and a big part of that
1:12:55
is money. Yep. Okay, all right back to this thing. Okay,
1:13:00
So now we get into the groups and looks like we made number one.
1:13:03
Men's rights activists MRAs advocate political changes that will benefit men. However,
1:13:10
much of their activism consists of harassment and abuse towards feminists and other female public
1:13:15
fe Harassment and abuse. Remember, harassment and abuse is criticism and accountability.
1:13:23
Yeah, Like, seriously, I don't engage in I think you're wrong about
1:13:28
this thing. Uh, looks like you hate women. I mean, I
1:13:30
just revealed a personal bit of information about me. You know that I have
1:13:35
experienced sexual assault by women, all right, I've also experienced it by men,
1:13:41
but I've experienced sexual assault by women. I put that on Twitter.
1:13:44
A whole bunch of feminists swanned in to tell me that that makes my advocacy
1:13:48
for non normative victims of sexual assault illegitimate. The behavior of feminists, the
1:14:00
harassment that feminists engage in, the harassment of blaming men for things that are
1:14:05
well beyond their control, like literally blaming the men in a conversation today for
1:14:11
things men did two hundred years ago, as if they're like draculum. You
1:14:15
know, there is a dracy've lived centuries like it's it's absurd because and the
1:14:20
thing is that they always win this argument because they have enshrined blaming hostile sexism.
1:14:30
What is hostile sexism towards men? They have enshrined it as a moral
1:14:36
good. They've been tried it as something that they're entitled to do, and
1:14:42
they are not. They're not entitled to engage in hostile sexism towards men.
1:14:46
And they don't like me saying that, Yeah, so I got a super
1:14:53
chow while we were Yeah, while you were ran from great indoors U and
1:15:00
he gives us ten dollars, thank you, Greating Doors. And he says,
1:15:01
so, misogyny is more rampant than ever before, and women run a
1:15:05
record risk being around men. Yeah, and yet the Western world does the
1:15:11
surprise Pikachu face when confronted with marriage rate decline to the extent that the Japanese
1:15:15
government is now promoting some sort of marriage app. I'm picturing countries doing the
1:15:19
Chicken run in self driving electric vehicles heading towards the edge of this turning table
1:15:25
called Earth, kind of like Thelma and Louise. Also, Alison, aren't
1:15:29
you going to open this month's fundraiser? Yes, I'll get to it.
1:15:33
I will. It's still it's only like the fifth Yeah, I can't,
1:15:38
like we're starting at earlier all the time. Yeah, I know, I
1:15:42
know, I'll get to it soon. But the thing is that I'm working
1:15:45
on something, working on silk screening. I want to have some kind of
1:15:48
poster to offer whoever wants like an incentive to help us out. I mean,
1:15:55
it's it's going to be like it, it's a limited edition silk screen,
1:15:58
so it's not going to be I'll make it available, but I'm still
1:16:02
trying to figure out the logistics of all of that and make sure that we're
1:16:04
actually being able to finish it this month. It should be. We've gotten
1:16:09
all of the equipment together, so I wanted to start to do a first
1:16:13
first stab at the fundraiser offering that before I open it. So it's you
1:16:18
know, at the very least, I'm gonna need a couple of days.
1:16:20
I think you can. You can, Like we usually reopened it on like
1:16:25
the earliest is usually the first Friday after the last fundraiser. Can you wait
1:16:30
that long? Like it's two days? I'm sure you can't. Yeah,
1:16:33
okay, So that's men's rights activists. Yeah, and this is like,
1:16:39
I don't know, I feel like I've done I've done this so often.
1:16:43
Yes, I already know what they're going to say before they say it.
1:16:45
But also men going their own way migtao argue that women are so toxic that
1:16:50
men should avoid them altogether. Some migtowe will date women but avoid anything serious
1:16:55
like getting married, while others won't even be friends with women. So men's
1:17:00
rights activists want male victims of sexual assault and domestic violence to be recognized.
1:17:03
That's my issue. There's there's other you know, there are other issues,
1:17:06
other men's rights activists, you know, parental rights, this other uh,
1:17:12
false accusations, all that other stuff. My issue is sexual assault and domestic
1:17:15
violence and recognizing male victims and also female victims of female perpetrators. But that
1:17:20
goes a little bit by the wayside because it's a smaller issue, all right.
1:17:25
That the fact that I call out feminists for manipulating the statistics, cooking
1:17:31
the books when it comes to sexual assault and domestic violence in order to promote
1:17:35
the idea that it's gendered. Thus to assert that men use it as a
1:17:42
means to enable their patriarchal control of women. Like yeah, that that entire
1:17:51
frameworks means that if you advocate for advocate for non normative victims of sexual assault,
1:17:59
you andtic violence, you are in feminism's crosshairs. It doesn't matter if
1:18:04
I don't engage in any kind of harassment or any kind of anything towards feminists,
1:18:10
just by saying this is important. We shouldn't render them invisible. We
1:18:15
shouldn't lie about the prevalence, we shouldn't be abusing freaking survivors in order to
1:18:21
create these hoops to force male survivors through like an obstacle course of attrition,
1:18:28
to try to manipulate the statistics. We shouldn't be doing this. I'm gonna
1:18:31
be in the feminist cross hairs no matter what mm hm, because I'm defying
1:18:39
their particular like what they want these stats to do, which is astounding to
1:18:44
me. I mean, you take a human ill, and you don't actually
1:18:47
care about the human ill insofar as it actually supports your assertion about society.
1:18:54
So you don't give a crap about victims. You just want them to you
1:19:00
know, you want them to be You want to use them as talking points
1:19:05
in your ideology, and that's it. Yep, okay, all right,
1:19:12
so back to the list. So I already read MiG Tao. These are
1:19:15
all the same things. They just want to and they're not even like necessarily
1:19:18
avoiding women. It's just the legal position that women are in, Like oh
1:19:24
yes, yeah, they're just they just want to be let alone like that.
1:19:28
And this thing like feminists don't these people can't they can't take it.
1:19:32
I guess, like it's such a this is a non starter of them,
1:19:36
but but they still do it just like the Pew ways the same thing.
1:19:41
So pick up artists teach men's seduction strategies so that they can be more successful
1:19:45
in attracting women. Many of these techniques involved mistreating women, such as assaulting
1:19:48
them or disregarding consent. You'll be okay, you'll live, and you know
1:19:54
what most of the time. If it works for them, then like I
1:19:58
don't under who where's the victim? Who's the victim? Like if women,
1:20:01
if these men are successful in picking up women and dating them or whatever,
1:20:05
and then those women are willingly consenting, because that's what PUAs are after,
1:20:10
is consent, then there's no victims. So what's the problem. Well,
1:20:14
disregarding consent, I actually did a feminist study. I read a feminist study
1:20:18
of what they consider to be problematic consent. The Mystery Mystery who used to
1:20:24
be one of you know, my favorite pickup artists because he was always entertaining.
1:20:29
But he used to have something called the cat and mouse method. So
1:20:34
if a man was engaging in for play with a woman and she gave any
1:20:39
kind of token what they call token resistance, which is not genuine resistance,
1:20:45
he advocated for the man to completely de escalate, like walk away, make
1:20:49
himself a sandwich, go, turn on the TV, watch TV, completely
1:20:55
de escalate, move remove himself as much as possible from the situation, do
1:20:59
not continue to engage in anything sexual, and in fact attempt to move it
1:21:03
to something non sexual. And he said that what that does is it engages
1:21:09
women's pursuit drive so that they have to pursue the man for sex. So
1:21:15
now, and this was considered problematic by feminists, you freaking believe it somehow
1:21:24
by completely ending the sexual contact at token resistance, that was creating problematic or
1:21:32
disregarding consent. So a man when he experiences token resistance is supposed to exist
1:21:39
in a super imposition of stopping and not stopping. And this is like,
1:21:45
this is the nonsense they're trying to present as probnematic, which is there of
1:21:50
groping towards sexual assault. And I would also like to point out, well,
1:21:56
let's get to the final ones. I just want to brk that out
1:21:59
that this is what they consider. Yeah, involuntary celibates, in cels believe
1:22:02
they're entitled to a relationship with the women are incapable of finding a partner multiple
1:22:06
acts of extreme violence or even murder have been attraded to this group. Obviously,
1:22:10
I'm not eve gonna click on it. I don't even know where it's
1:22:12
gonna go. It's gonna go, Elliott Roger alec Manassian. It's always the
1:22:15
same that guy in England. Entitled to a relationship. Okay, you guys
1:22:21
don't know what that word means. I feel entitled to the funds in my
1:22:27
bank account. Why because I can at any point decide that they are there,
1:22:34
what is going to happen with them? Entitlement to a relationship would mean
1:22:40
that they feel as entitled to women sexual access to women, as I do
1:22:45
to accessing my money, my own money. You see what I'm saying.
1:22:48
Not entitlement, No, of course not. This is not an attitude of
1:22:53
entitlement. It may be an attitude of resentment that they don't measure up to
1:22:57
women's standards. But here's this is the thing I want to point out.
1:23:00
You notice how they actually have a link to something criminal with the Yelves,
1:23:05
which is questionable. Guys, it's like hugely questionable. Yeah, I already
1:23:10
know if they basically just say is this guy a virgin? Or can we
1:23:14
assume that he is, Oh he must have he must have been, he
1:23:15
must be an insult. But they don't have it with any of the others.
1:23:19
Yeah, none of the others. No, of course, not because
1:23:24
they don't well no, because they're they don't even have anything they could pretend
1:23:28
to pin on us. That's yeah, because it's about it's about creating a
1:23:33
chilling effect around like any of the manosphere content. So the only thing they
1:23:39
have is, you know, incidents of men who are virgins that also happen
1:23:46
to commit a crime, or or they've murdered people or whatever. We don't
1:23:50
even know if any of those things are connected. There could be any number
1:23:54
of reasons why, but they don't care about that because that will require them
1:23:58
to understand facts. So instead they just say, these people have killed people.
1:24:01
Well, no, within this group in cells, there is a tiny
1:24:06
minority that have committed violent crime. Right, and of course the the of
1:24:14
course, the sort of umbrella of in cell is extremely broad. We're working
1:24:18
really broad because it's not like it's a group of people, it's not like
1:24:21
they're a movement, they're not advocating, they're just guys that are going through
1:24:26
a dry spell. Maybe maybe it's just like fatalistic like that, it'll never
1:24:30
change. They could be disabled, they could have mental problems, they could
1:24:34
have deformities, whatever, just things that have essentially taken them out of the
1:24:39
gene pool completely and they're not happy about it, but it is what it
1:24:44
is, and they're trying to, like, you know, find a way
1:24:45
to cope. And within that group of people, there's a tiny minority that
1:24:50
commit crimes. And so they look at the tiny minority and they say this
1:24:55
is the group, and then they associate the group with the broader menisphere and
1:25:00
basically say, look, this is from this, you know, from the
1:25:03
broader manisphere. You have like a tiny fraction within a fraction within a fraction
1:25:10
that commits crimes. Therefore, the whole group is painted by them. It's
1:25:14
like the one drop rule for the menisphere based That's why they do it because
1:25:18
if there was any records of PUA's doing stuff, like if there was something
1:25:23
that happened or migtao or whatever, they would use that. But they can't
1:25:26
because legitimately, like PUA's are doing what women want to get in their pants,
1:25:33
you know, miktao are just avoiding women. So you can't criminalize that.
1:25:39
You can't pathologize that. All you can do is complain about it.
1:25:42
And MRAs are asking for, like, you know, really fair things.
1:25:45
And in order for us to make any progress, we have to criticize feminism
1:25:50
because we're criticizing the system as it exists. Feminism is the system. So
1:25:57
yeah, how how do you when feminists are the predominant reason why non normative
1:26:04
victims of domestic violence and sexual assault and I keep using that male victims of
1:26:10
domestic violence and sexual assault, but I also want to include female victims of
1:26:13
women are excluded from the stats, then how do you avoid criticizing them?
1:26:19
Like feminists are the primary reason why all of this is distorted in order to
1:26:25
serve an ideological purpose, how can you not criticize them? And it's like
1:26:31
this entire framework assumes that criticizing feminists is not is like it's a moral evil,
1:26:40
and it isn't. Feminists have institutional power. They determine which initiatives get
1:26:46
funding. They also determine the general perception of sexual assault and domestic violence.
1:26:54
They are embedded in the entire system, from stem to stern, from active
1:27:00
this to frontline worker to academic to journalists. There to funding directors and NGOs.
1:27:10
They're everywhere controlling the narrative on this. They are the institution, and
1:27:15
they explicitly are marginalizing groups of victims because they are ideologically inconvenient. Yeah,
1:27:25
look what happened to Look what happened to Justin Trottiers. Yes, and he
1:27:30
spent ten years bringing services to men cannot get funding because of feminist bureaucrats in
1:27:36
the Canadian government. Right. You know before him, Earl Silverman experienced exactly
1:27:42
the same thing when he was trying to fund his men's shelter, Right,
1:27:46
how do you not criticize this? And furthermore, what the hell are feminists,
1:27:53
which is supposedly a political ideology, doing anywhere near a social ill like
1:27:59
sexualists or domestic violence? Why has spent a single fricking scent on them trying
1:28:06
to use these issues to prove their ideological ideological flimflam? Like? Why are
1:28:16
they allowed to be among vulnerable populations using them to push a quasi cult agenda?
1:28:27
Like? And I mean that by I'm sorry, but feminism's main assertions
1:28:34
have not even begun to be presented as a scientific inquiry like they You ask
1:28:41
over and over and I've looked for this. Where have feminism's assertions been framed
1:28:45
in a way that makes them falsifiable that you can actually prove them true or
1:28:49
false. This, all of this is just believed. It's just believed.
1:28:57
And you build up a whole bunch of scholarship on a bunch of beliefs that
1:29:00
have been never been subject to any kind of intellectual rigure. And these people
1:29:04
are allowed to manipulate, connive, and abuse survivors of sexual assault and domestic
1:29:14
violence and use them to their own ends while deciding to completely avoid interventions that
1:29:21
could actually make a difference in their lives. Yes, I'm going to criticize
1:29:26
this. Yep, all right, So back to this, how are young
1:29:34
people influenced? Well, a twenty twenty Hope Not Hate report Hope Not Hate
1:29:42
demonstrated how the Manisphere influences young people's beliefs about feminism. Boys are repeating Manisphere
1:29:47
talking points in school and even harassing female teachers eries very base. The report
1:29:54
found that fifty percent of young men in age sixteen to twenty four believe feminism
1:29:58
makes it more difficult for men to succeed. Fucking does Owen Jones? Oh
1:30:01
ah, Yeah, he's a really great, great guy, great resource head
1:30:05
of education and training at Hope. Not Hey, oh my god, that
1:30:10
sounds absolutely monstrous. Says that gender equality is the most difficult subject to teach.
1:30:15
Yeah, because it's a lie. Yeah, because equality, Like literally
1:30:20
there are more female hostile sexests and you're not addressing, like, how can
1:30:25
you not see that what you're creating is not equality? And all the boys
1:30:29
are doing is saying, hey, this is inequality. Why does she get
1:30:30
to slap me? Why does she get to engage in this hostile sexism towards
1:30:35
me? And I'm the only one who has to be responsible for myself.
1:30:39
That's not gender equality. Hell, it's not even empowerment for women. It's
1:30:44
just pushing your your rat fink ideology. No is no no offense to rat
1:30:48
fink. All right. Many students don't believe sexism is a problem, and
1:30:54
when teaching the subject there quote is an aggressive backlash for male students who do,
1:30:59
who not only deny the issues but try to silence any notion of female
1:31:02
empowerment or critique of male culture and quote, let's hope, I mean that
1:31:06
sounds amazing to me. This can make it difficult to have productive conversations about
1:31:12
important issues like sexism or gender stereotypes in the classroom. You exclude men,
1:31:16
the male perspective from everything. You get what you get because of the way
1:31:21
that you've treated boys from birth Like this is like what you get? I
1:31:27
mean, I don't believe equality is a real thing. All there is is
1:31:31
justice and fairness. But you have ignored the male perspective. And I know
1:31:38
that people like Owen Jones and Hope not hate, absolutely no interest, no
1:31:43
interest in addressing men's issues, in treating boys like human beings at all.
1:31:48
It's all about making them subject themselves to the feminist narratives that you can keep
1:31:54
making money. It's got nothing to do with what equality. That's just hype
1:31:59
dream nonsense ends. So how do young people find the Manisphere? Many Manisphere
1:32:04
groups host their own websites and have seen increasing traffic, with some seeing growth
1:32:11
from thousands to millions of users. However, these groups can also be found
1:32:15
on popular social media platforms such as Instagram, Facebook, and Twitter. Reddit
1:32:19
in particular is home to many Manisphere communities. Although the most popular migtao at
1:32:25
in cell subreddits have been banned, that didn't seem to change anything though did
1:32:30
it? Young People may also find the Manisphere via YouTube, as the watch
1:32:34
next algorithm has been known to recommend increasingly sexist and anti feminist content in order
1:32:42
to keep users engaged. TikTok maybe another avenue, as the migtau and pickup
1:32:46
artist comunities in particular are becoming more prevalent. There, let me see what
1:32:51
this is about? Oh mel magazine? Oh shut up? No, no,
1:32:57
no, I'm not Yeah, a rat hole that we don't need to
1:33:00
go down. Yeah no, that's okay. That's so let's go for language
1:33:08
should I look out for? What language should I look out for? It
1:33:11
is? You know what, dude, this is literally like the it's the
1:33:15
same thing that we just covered in you know, in a couple of those
1:33:18
what do you call them, the the fad streams. But you know that
1:33:24
this is the same stuff. It's the same language, the same organization.
1:33:28
Anyway, What language should I look out for? There are several words and
1:33:30
phrases which suggest that someone is familiar with the manuscripts, such as and here
1:33:34
come, here come the terms red pill, learning the truth about female nature
1:33:40
and that feminism is about oppressing men, blue pill. Not having taken the
1:33:44
red pill and so living in blissful ignorance. Alpha male slash Chad an attractive,
1:33:48
successful man desired by all women. Beta male or cook is an average
1:33:54
man who has not yet taken the red pill and his inferior to the alpha
1:33:57
male. Memoid or I've never in that way, but whatever, there's probably
1:34:01
places where they say it like that memoid or foid female humanoid, mostly used
1:34:06
by in cells. Ginocentrism the theory that society revolves around and is dominated by
1:34:12
women. Well, I gotta say, I'm glad that these words, these
1:34:15
turns are out there. Yeah, it's not dominated by women. It is
1:34:19
revolves around women's interests, and it does like, yeah, if if women
1:34:26
are not fed and protected, they cannot have children. Exactly, they are
1:34:30
usually in the position of being the most fed and protected, like prioritized,
1:34:36
they prioritized. Yes, it doesn't mean that that the society is dominated by
1:34:41
women. You know, often when you push women to the interior, men
1:34:45
are in the exterior, which is the position of greatest responsibility. So you
1:34:49
know, like a small p patriarchy exists with ginocentrism because men are expected to
1:34:57
take charge of protecting and providing women. Like that's the balance of the roles
1:35:03
in the past. There you go. It's very straightforward, but yes it
1:35:08
is. But it also not convenient. Yes, it's not convenient. It
1:35:14
has to be made convoluted because of this unquestioned belief that women are victims.
1:35:20
Mm hmm. Like literally that that that that Twitter that he that guy on
1:35:24
Twitter who pointed this out just really opened my eyes. We can't define women
1:35:29
by any feature except that they're oppressed by men. That's it. That's what
1:35:33
that's what left. That's what left. That's what's left to women. So
1:35:38
of course we can't look at society as a trade off. We have to
1:35:42
always see women as victims. Yep, all right, back to this,
1:35:47
so it says, however, not everyone uses this sort of language, for,
1:35:50
for instance, terms it is also important to look out for generalizing statements
1:35:56
made about women and men, such as making claims about how all women act,
1:36:00
or talking about men and women as if they are two different species.
1:36:03
You mean the way feminists talk about men. Not even feminists like women and
1:36:08
other men talk about men in this way. Yeah, right, is men
1:36:13
versus baron not a generalizing statement, Like, honestly, you constantly generalize about
1:36:19
men. You're generalizing about men in this Yep, how can we make young
1:36:26
people less perceptible to these harms? A lot of perceptibles, but it says
1:36:30
I meaning they mean susceptible, right, I think a lot of yeah,
1:36:34
less perceptible, like less able to see. I don't know, like nope,
1:36:40
because the way this structured is that the harms are seeking out the young
1:36:45
people or using their their harms. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the
1:36:49
harms are looking for them, Yes, seeking them out. I don't get
1:36:55
it. I don't get it either. All right, let's just keep going
1:36:59
a lot of anisphere, you guys get and how close you are to the
1:37:02
government. Maybe you could actually be more coherent in your use of English.
1:37:06
Yeah, okay. A lot of Manisphere believes follow mainstream thoughts about gender and
1:37:12
sexuality, which may impact mental health. Many teenage boys feel ashamed about not
1:37:16
having a girlfriend, but this does not necessarily mean they will identify as an
1:37:20
insult. Wait, therefore, what they have shame about not having a girlfriend?
1:37:27
Okay, So how do you deal with their shame about not having a
1:37:30
girlfriend or is that just like, oh, it's okay. You tell them
1:37:31
that they're entitled and that they don't have a right, they're saying to their
1:37:35
feelings. These boys are feeling ashamed, So do you care about that?
1:37:41
Let's let's find out if they care about that. Let's read the next paragraph.
1:37:45
All right. Therefore, it is important to have early conversations about healthy
1:37:50
relationships and gender relations so that young people do not get sucked into the black
1:37:56
and white and often defeat is thinking of the manisphere was like the Online Together
1:38:00
project are designed to help start these conversations. Constructive support with difficult feelings around
1:38:05
girls, sexuality and masculinity is also and it's blocked out by this sucD thing.
1:38:11
I assume it's essential, you know something like I think that's it.
1:38:17
No, that's the end, that's the tackle. I'm actually really curious you
1:38:21
want to go to Online Together. I'm really curious about the struggle session with
1:38:25
six year olds personally, but oh, oh my god, I don't really
1:38:30
freaking curious. How that all right? All right? Do you want me
1:38:32
to do you want me to look at that we go to the quiz or
1:38:35
the how to advice. You're like only a few years out of diapers,
1:38:39
but it's time to talk about your hatred towards women. I'm actually curious about
1:38:44
that, and I'm also curious about this, Like, which one do you
1:38:46
want to look at? This is the six year old struggle sessions. There's
1:38:50
a video video supporting young children. You want to go to online together?
1:38:59
It probably better to be okay, So once again we've established this is how
1:39:03
they talk to a young man who is ashamed of the fact he doesn't have
1:39:08
a girlfriend. So he's feeling shame like he's feeling bad. He's probably feeling
1:39:13
really negative about himself. He's probably feeling despondent. How do they talk to
1:39:16
this young man? Okay, let's let's see find out all right, start
1:39:21
your skills journey by choosing the topic you'd like to explore. Tackling online hate,
1:39:27
Sure, breaking down gender stereotypes. Let's go with what what tackling online
1:39:31
hate? What you will learn? All right? Again like framework. We
1:39:34
can't get a pit away from this framework. This is what we talk how
1:39:36
we talk to a young You have to take Oh good lord, Okay,
1:39:44
do you not want to four questions for fourteen plus? Let's go for questions
1:39:46
for fourteen plus. Let's go advanced like number player. Let's just do one
1:39:50
okay, Okay, So apparently we're playing a game now. I couldn't just
1:39:54
get a bullet point of out. We have to pick an avatar. Can
1:39:58
we be the flames? What do you want to be? Out? And
1:40:00
the alien? The orange, especially masculine, the lemon, the mushroom,
1:40:04
the frog. We're going with the frog. Chatelet a all right, so
1:40:15
we're going with the frog. Feels good man. Question one, what does
1:40:19
it mean to have freedom of expression? What does it mean? You could
1:40:25
freely express yourself online with no consequences. This is how we're supposed to talk
1:40:29
to this young man who's feeling ashamed because he does not have a girlfriend.
1:40:32
Yeah, you can freely express yourself online with no consequences. You cannot be
1:40:36
prosecuted for criticizing your government. You can share controversial opinions publicly on social media.
1:40:44
Got to pick one. Oh, no, you cannot be prosecuted for
1:40:46
criticizing your government. Yes, but you are in a government initiative. Can
1:40:50
we criticize you? Like a lot of this feminism is government initiatives. Can
1:40:55
we criticize you? What do you mean by consequences? I hate these questions
1:40:59
already. Well, they mean that they basically mean that they want to senswer
1:41:02
online speech because they want to actually like use the government to make it illegal.
1:41:09
Like and even though feminism is a huge part of the government, now
1:41:13
apparently we can't criticize it. You cannot. So number two is the correct
1:41:18
answer. You cannot be prosecuted for criticizing your government unless bureau feminist bureaucracy that
1:41:25
controls funding and social services, which is uncriticizable. Shouldn't we just answer honestly
1:41:30
and not try to get these right? Nothing? Okay, Again, this
1:41:35
was supposed to be about helping a young man who feels ashamed about the fact
1:41:41
that he doesn't have a girlfriend. This does nothing except make people conform to
1:41:45
a particular point of view I'm looking for. I. Okay, let's I
1:41:49
have a son he feels like crap. How do I make him feel better?
1:41:55
Oh? I guess we just don't care about that. Just make him
1:41:58
conform, all right, Okay, you answer whichever. You can share controversials
1:42:03
public. Let's do number I'll go and you can share controversial opinions public on
1:42:08
social media. That's that seems to be the most common sense one. So
1:42:12
that is answer is to check your answer. Let's see, so there is
1:42:15
a right answer your result. No, I'm wrong. What you need to
1:42:26
know? Opinions on social media? No, this really like, have you
1:42:30
ever shared a controversial or hateful opinion on social media? This is literally like
1:42:34
maoist pastelle, colored fascists. Yes, yes it is. This is scary
1:42:41
shit. This is scary shit. So yeah, so this escalates rapidly.
1:42:47
Can I read this? Yeah? Have you ever seen a controversial or hateful
1:42:51
opinion on social media? Or Okay, so now we're not just talking about
1:42:56
a controversial opinion a hateful one or in news stories talking about this happening.
1:43:01
Often, people spreading hate hate claims online claim they have the right to free
1:43:09
right to free speech, and think that means they can say what they like
1:43:11
without consequence. However, freedom of expression or free speech simply means that if
1:43:15
you say something against the UK government. Of course you can't say, actually,
1:43:18
the UK government doesn't have they don't have free speech in the UK.
1:43:21
You can literally go to jail for like you whistling at a woman in fucking
1:43:27
Nottingham. Yeah, to criticize their government without prosecution, except for the feminist
1:43:31
parts of the government. Social media and gaming platforms all have their own terms
1:43:35
of service and community guidelines many which whatever. Okay, let's sell. I
1:43:41
don't know if I like this quiz. Do we have to continue because it's
1:43:44
all good. No, we we don't have We don't. We don't have
1:43:46
to. I just want to get an inkling of what of what it was.
1:43:50
Let's go to the You want to take the next question? Yeah,
1:43:54
take the next damn question? All right, all right, let me bring
1:43:57
it up. If this thing loads, it's so fucking where's the next question?
1:44:02
Bro? We'll go back. So they want me to answer it correctly
1:44:10
before I move on. No, I am not doing that. That's you
1:44:15
guys are evil. This is evil. Yeah, and again this was what
1:44:19
they directed us to when we have you know, like a fourteen year old
1:44:26
boy, you know, Tom, who's now withdrawing from his family because he
1:44:30
thinks he's worthless because he doesn't have a girlfriend, and he's withdrawing from school
1:44:35
life. We're starting to see him, you know, we're worried about him
1:44:40
because he's starting to show up looking depressed, you know, and out of
1:44:44
it. He's no longer interested in the activities he was interested in before.
1:44:47
And we're we're concerned parents asking ourselves, well, how do we discuss this
1:44:53
issue with him in such a way that we get our you know, our
1:44:57
happy son back. And this is what they direct us to mm hmm absolutely,
1:45:04
like, oh no, you need to conform to our narrative about what's
1:45:09
right, and uh yeah, you're allowed to criticize the UK government, accept
1:45:15
the feminist parts, but uh yeah, that that's all that free speech means.
1:45:20
Okay, well, what about the Twitter version of free speech because that
1:45:24
seems to be pretty close to most people's version of what they would say free
1:45:28
speech is. You know, what about when supposedly, uh some of the
1:45:31
feminist stuff was controversial or gay rights? Like should should we have all censored?
1:45:38
That might have been for the best. And I say that as somebody
1:45:43
who is part of the LGBTQ book community. Let's let's go back because this
1:45:48
doesn't seem very helpful. What do you want? What do you want to
1:45:50
look at? I want to look at the struggle session for six year olds?
1:45:54
All right? All right? I want to get on a scale of
1:45:59
one to ten grooming. Yeah, all right, So online safety advice.
1:46:04
Early use of digital technology has been shown to improve language skills and promote children's
1:46:08
social development and creativity. However, it's not without risk for young children.
1:46:12
Unfortunately, they may come across inappropriate content. So okay that I mean this
1:46:16
is all common sense stuff. Download online safety guide. Watch you want to
1:46:20
watch the video? Yes, it's primary school is online. Can you hear
1:46:26
that? Yeah, I can hear it. Three minutes? Okay, all
1:46:29
right, six to tens do it. Between the ages of six to ten.
1:46:34
It's likely your child might get their first connected device, perhaps a games
1:46:39
console or a tablet. So take the time to have regular chats with your
1:46:43
child about their well being and safety online. This will why is this kid
1:46:46
that pink hair? You guys are already setting the tone. Will help them
1:46:51
develop coping strategies to deal with online risks and encourage them to make safer choices
1:46:57
online. So freaking bland. Yeah, well, let me see if I
1:47:03
can just jump to a session, because this is all common sense stuff that
1:47:06
parents should know. So set up parental controls, set limits, choose the
1:47:12
right device, set parental controls, create a user account, set child's friendly
1:47:18
sites, set a password. Be a good digital citizen. I could go
1:47:23
to that part that sounds appropriately like fashy, be a good digital citizen like
1:47:30
some fash Yeah to that all right, let's listen to it. Yeah,
1:47:39
some children may find themselves bullying or being bullied online, so it's important to
1:47:44
talk to them about being a good friend online and where to get support if
1:47:46
they need it. Remind them that they can talk to you or intrusted adults
1:47:51
if they have any concerns because safety interested adults. Yeah, that's weird.
1:47:58
I don't know what does that mean? You mean interested adults like teachers,
1:48:02
interested adults interested in yet No, I think that if I had a kid,
1:48:09
I'd be like, no, you talk to me, not adults with
1:48:15
interest in you. Jesus good Lord, Oh my god. Yeah, Jeffrey
1:48:24
Marsh, I want to talk to the kid. It's like him from Powerpuff
1:48:29
Girls. That's like, okay, okay, So that yeah, that's I
1:48:34
mean, there is okay. What you'll find the same as the Internet Safety
1:48:38
Checklist. Why it matters facts is that's online issues of parent guides activities together
1:48:44
eight specific apps related. Yeah. I don't know, I don't see.
1:48:47
It's probably too young, the six years old. Yeah, that's not when
1:48:51
you start to groom them into your ideological framework. That that and women to
1:49:00
be victims. Yeah, I think this is all to prepare them for when
1:49:02
they're like fourteen eleven, you know, for when the indoctrination begins. Yes,
1:49:08
exactly. But remember, free speech isn't about sharing controversial opinions because because
1:49:15
the opinions that need protection aren't the controversial ones. They're the ones that nobody
1:49:20
nobody good war, do they even understand what they're saying? Oh god,
1:49:28
yeah, they are terrified of autonomy. That they are absolutely terrified of autonomy,
1:49:35
and they need that kind of a risk taking mentality in to to maintain
1:49:42
society. Like we need that kind of more masculine risk taking mentality when it
1:49:47
is masculine to be able to run our power grid, you know, our
1:49:54
sewer system, to run our planes and everything else, like even if if
1:50:00
it's invinced, even if it's in women, we need women who are that
1:50:03
have that more masculine quality of wanting to see themselves in terms of their actions
1:50:09
effect on the greater world, which is a kind of a risk taking.
1:50:12
It's about, you know, feeling good about having a positive effect, you
1:50:16
know, and not just through your existence, through your actions and your behaviors,
1:50:21
and also being willing to recognize when your behaviors aren't positive and change them,
1:50:27
right, that's a whole suite that's more related to masculine individuals, and
1:50:33
like, yeah, they need that. So they need that desire for autonomy
1:50:39
and risk taking in order to even continue, for society to run. But
1:50:43
they're in war with it because they're terrified that it will result in people who
1:50:49
aren't under their control. Yeah. Yeah, once again, female hostile sexism
1:50:58
is a free action, yeap. Never not no interest in addressing it,
1:51:02
ye whatsoever? Okay, Well I am yeah, I'm stutely sort of vaguely
1:51:13
like it's it's lukewarm fascism, you know, it's just sort of like,
1:51:18
well, it's child friendly fascism. It's uh, it's yeah, it's a
1:51:24
dolorous umbridge is that her name from Harry Potter. It's like it's that.
1:51:28
It's it's pink like vesty pants suit, you know, yeah, like womanly
1:51:36
fascism, velvet glove fascism, and and I think, yeah, yeah,
1:51:42
doile fascism. And I think that with the six year olds, most of
1:51:45
the stuff I scroll through really quick, most of it's common sense ship that
1:51:49
like any parents should be doing with their kids. But I think that it's
1:51:53
setting. It's all about setting the president for the next step. So if
1:51:58
they're already essentially considering, you know, men who don't want to have anything
1:52:02
to do with women dangerous to women somehow, then they're gonna build up to
1:52:06
that point. I don't know what they want for men, honestly, because
1:52:12
they either they want to be with women, it's a problem. And if
1:52:14
they don't want to be with women, it's a problem. So maybe they
1:52:16
just should be like, you know, slaving away and paying into the system
1:52:23
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1:52:28
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