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The Zen of Harry Dean Stanton Fest · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 5: What's up, and welcome to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 6: I'm Lucy.
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  Speaker 5: And we're coming to you live via digital recording from
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  Speaker 5: Fred's house? Wait a minute. This is the Harry Dean
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  Speaker 5: Stanton Festival special and, well, okay, we're going to get
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  Speaker 5: to that. We will very soon be coming to you
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  Speaker 5: live via digital recording from Harry Dean Stanton Fest. But
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  Speaker 5: for now, we were trying to do wrap-ups and get
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  Speaker 5: together and you have a lot of stuff going on
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  Speaker 5: on that weekend. So we were like, how about we
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  Speaker 5: just plan ahead and we'll sit down and we'll have
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  Speaker 5: a nice discussion. And in a way, this is better
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  Speaker 5: because this gives you a chance to sort of reflect
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  Speaker 5: on the whole festival. As opposed to when you're usually
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  Speaker 5: knee deep in it and you're like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 5: I'm doing six things right now while we're talking. So
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  Speaker 5: this gives you a chance to get a little distance
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  Speaker 5: afterwards and be like, all right, what did happen that weekend?
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 6: I've had a whole week to process.
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  Speaker 5: So. How's it going?
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  Speaker 6: It's going great. I ran away, which is what I
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  Speaker 6: always do after the festival. I realized that if I
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  Speaker 6: stay in Lexington, I immediately, my brain processes stress in
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  Speaker 6: a very unusual way where I don't have any anxiety
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  Speaker 6: or issues before the festival. But after the festival, I
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  Speaker 6: have a week of anxiety dreams.
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  Speaker 5: Interesting. I would think that would go the other way.
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  Speaker 5: Like the week before you'd be super stressed out. And
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  Speaker 5: then like maybe you'd find a calm in the middle
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  Speaker 5: of it because you don't have time to worry. And
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  Speaker 5: then afterward, you'd be like, whew, done with that bullshit.
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  Speaker 6: And by bullshit, you mean delightful experience that brings joy
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  Speaker 6: to many.
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  Speaker 5: All of the stress and juggling that you do for
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  Speaker 5: months beforehand, I'm sure, that all culminates in one weekend
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  Speaker 5: and would make most people keel over. But you power
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  Speaker 5: through it, and I'm impressed every time.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that's very kind, but here's the secret that I
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  Speaker 6: figured out. And I think I've touched on this last year,
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  Speaker 6: but I've had a whole other year to process that,
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  Speaker 6: which is that you can't stress about Harry Dean Stanton
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  Speaker 6: Fest because that's not the spirit of Harry Dean Stanton Fest.
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  Speaker 6: It's what I would imagine Lebowski Fest to be. Like,
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  Speaker 6: the dude is the dude. The dude abides. Like, you
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  Speaker 6: just have to let Harry Dean Stanton Fest come at you.
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  Speaker 6: This year I was getting so– I mean, I was
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  Speaker 6: worried about Like, we were actually, okay, full disclosure, last
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  Speaker 6: year was going to be the last year of the festival.
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  Speaker 5: I think we even kind of discussed that at the festival.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 6: And then Alison Anders was like, no, no, no, I'm
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  Speaker 6: coming back next year. And Billy Swan was like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 6: I'm coming back next year. And everybody was like, we
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  Speaker 6: have to do this. And there was this moment watching
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  Speaker 6: Billy Swan. He wrote a song for Harry and he
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  Speaker 6: played the song for Harry. And he cried and we
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  Speaker 6: all cried. And I was like in tears. I was like,
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  Speaker 6: as God is my witness, as long as there's one
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  Speaker 6: sweet old fellow that has a story to tell about
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  Speaker 6: Harry Dean, we're going to keep this thing going. And
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  Speaker 6: then both of them were going to come. And then sadly,
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  Speaker 6: both of them had to cancel for very legitimate, valid reasons.
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  Speaker 6: And so then we found ourselves without any guests. And
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  Speaker 6: we had a ton of guests. We had another guest
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  Speaker 6: that also pulled out. And then we had no guests.
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  Speaker 6: And so I was losing my mind. And I was
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  Speaker 6: contacting everybody.
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  Speaker 5: This is what I'm saying. Craziness. Months beforehand.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: Yes.
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  Speaker 6: Well, weeks beforehand.
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  Speaker 5: Even worse when it gets down to the wire.
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  Speaker 6: And so then I got to a place where I
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  Speaker 6: was just like, wait, what are you doing? Absolutely not.
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  Speaker 6: This is not what Harry would want.
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  Speaker 5: Harry didn't stress about anything.
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  Speaker 6: This is not the embodiment of who he is. And
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  Speaker 6: we are supposed to be representing him. So I said, okay,
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  Speaker 6: here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to put
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  Speaker 6: one more ask into the world. And Sean Young, for
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  Speaker 6: a variety of reasons, had popped up into my consciousness.
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  Speaker 6: I said, I'm going to reach out to Sean Young.
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  Speaker 6: If she says yes, amazing. If she says no, we
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  Speaker 6: just go through with the festival without a guest. And
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  Speaker 6: this is our last year. And I sent an email
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  Speaker 6: to what I thought was her agent. And then I
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  Speaker 6: just got an email, a personal email response back that said, hey,
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  Speaker 6: that sounds super fun. Let me see if I can
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  Speaker 6: make it happen. And it did. So law of attraction.
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  Speaker 6: Put it out there. Let it go. Let it come
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  Speaker 6: back to you. And that's the way of Harry Dean Stanton.
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  Speaker 5: It'll bounce around for a while and hopefully come back
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  Speaker 5: to where you're at.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. And this, I think, for me personally, wound up
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  Speaker 6: being one of my favorite festivals. I loved our guests.
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  Speaker 6: We had so much fun. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: She was pretty amazing. Just in my window of viewing
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  Speaker 5: and watching her and not knowing what to expect going in. Because, again,
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  Speaker 5: she has stories built up around her. Right. Many of
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  Speaker 5: which she is fully aware that she created herself. And so, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't really know what to expect coming in. And
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  Speaker 5: then once we got to that Q & A, I
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  Speaker 5: was just like, this is very different than I expected
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  Speaker 5: and like kind of amazing. And I'm like even more
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  Speaker 5: interested in her as a person now. So it's yeah,
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  Speaker 5: she was she was. Pretty phenomenal.
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  Speaker 6: She's fascinating and she's brilliant. She's so smart. She's so funny.
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  Speaker 6: She's so grounded. She's so cool. She's just fun to
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  Speaker 6: be around. And you realize what all those stories were.
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  Speaker 6: And those stories were her just not being willing to
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  Speaker 6: play the game. And when women in Hollywood refused to
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  Speaker 6: play the game in the 80s and 90s.
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  Speaker 5: Or now.
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  Speaker 6: Or fair.
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  Speaker 5: Let's be real.
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  Speaker 6: But especially then.
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  Speaker 8: Especially.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it was an especially challenging time. And so,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the height of her career, it just really
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  Speaker 6: all got taken away from her.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: And she never stopped being beautiful or talented or incredible
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  Speaker 6: in every way. She just got in trouble for not
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  Speaker 6: being willing to play the game.
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  Speaker 5: For being herself, which is fine, except when you're in
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  Speaker 5: the middle of show business stuff. And the business aspect
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  Speaker 5: makes you change.
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  Speaker 6: What does even that mean? Like people reference the Catwoman
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  Speaker 6: stuff like that is I find it charming. I honestly
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  Speaker 6: like don't think it's that crazy.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, she did it with a sense of humor. Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Think how many other people got the job they wanted
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  Speaker 5: because they took a leap like that. this one just
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  Speaker 5: sort of backfired on her and like why i don't
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  Speaker 5: know because.
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  Speaker 6: There was a powerful man in hollywood that was also
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  Speaker 6: that was also i mean had personal reasons that he
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  Speaker 6: was going after her and those two things combined um
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  Speaker 6: were really i mean and now of course she's rebounded
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  Speaker 6: she's continuing to have a career she's continuing to work
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  Speaker 6: but i mean she did that that faded her star.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah i mean it changed things a lot i'm sure
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  Speaker 5: for her but Still stellar performances. I have watched a
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  Speaker 5: lot of her stuff in weeks leading up to this
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  Speaker 5: and stuff that I had seen a few that I hadn't.
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  Speaker 5: And yeah, I was like, she, she was like at
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  Speaker 5: that pinnacle. Like a lot of what I watched was
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  Speaker 5: in that like 10 years or so where she like
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  Speaker 5: just kind of hit. And I was like, she was
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  Speaker 5: kind of like top of the list for female stars
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  Speaker 5: in Hollywood. Like if you were casting somebody, she was
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  Speaker 5: right there. She was one of the top.
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  Speaker 9: So.
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  Speaker 5: That's an impressive feat all its own. Even if, you know,
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  Speaker 5: most people never get to that period, let alone to
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  Speaker 5: get there and then by whatever circumstances, you know, not,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, usually nobody stays there. I mean, you're lucky
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  Speaker 5: if you ride that for 10 years, if you're one
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  Speaker 5: of the biggest stars in the world. So the fact
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  Speaker 5: that you ever get to that point is pretty impressive.
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  Speaker 10: Fair.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. And shows how talented she is.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I love what on her Instagram it says, and
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  Speaker 6: I'm going to not quote it directly, and my apologies
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  Speaker 6: to Sean Young, but it's something along the lines of
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  Speaker 6: a happy person who used to be a famous actress
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  Speaker 6: in the 80s. And I was like, right on.
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  Speaker 5: That's how it should be. Certainly the first half of that.
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  Speaker 5: And if you want to have the last one be
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  Speaker 5: a thing, you know, with most people, it's like, you know,
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  Speaker 5: this was my job. It's not always my job. That's
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  Speaker 5: true with a lot of these people that you see
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  Speaker 5: that are, Even working actors, it's like a lot of
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  Speaker 5: them have a legit job and they go to it
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  Speaker 5: every day and then every once in a while they're like,
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  Speaker 5: oh yeah, and I also do this because you can't
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  Speaker 5: afford to live like this now. Aside from the business
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  Speaker 5: going on right now. Right. Under regular circumstances before that happened,
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  Speaker 5: you couldn't afford to live, which is why the circumstances
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  Speaker 5: have turned out like they have. So that was an
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  Speaker 5: extra little snag for you as well. It's like suddenly
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  Speaker 5: that kicked in almost during the weekend and you're like, oh, okay,
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  Speaker 5: how much does that change everything?
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  Speaker 6: And I just messaged her and said, hey, we understand.
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  Speaker 6: What do you think? And I think it worked out
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  Speaker 6: because she's there to talk about Harry. She's there to
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  Speaker 6: talk about another actor. She's not there to promote anything.
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  Speaker 6: She's certainly not there to promote Young Doctors in Love.
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  Speaker 6: She should be because it's a magnificent film. I have
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  Speaker 6: to say that movie, and this just goes to show
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  Speaker 6: how important the communal cinematic experience is. I watched that
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  Speaker 6: movie on my couch and I was like, well, you know,
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  Speaker 6: we're going to show it and it's fine. And there's
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  Speaker 6: some things that I enjoy about it.
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  Speaker 5: Your message beforehand kind of put it in perspective because
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  Speaker 5: you really did seem almost uncomfortable showing the movie that
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  Speaker 5: you were showing.
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  Speaker 6: But the audience responded in such a way that, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: people were laughing uproariously to the point where she was
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  Speaker 6: just like, wait, how was this not this big of
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  Speaker 6: a success in 1981? How is it aging better?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: You would think, really. Well, and that's the thing. It's
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  Speaker 5: like I had seen it, you know, just on cable
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  Speaker 5: growing up. Like it was one of those go-to kind
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  Speaker 5: of comedies at the time. And then I don't think
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  Speaker 5: I've seen it. I think I kind of remembered somebody. Truthfully,
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  Speaker 5: I forgot the main male lead was Michael McKean.
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  Speaker 6: He's kind of forgettable.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I remembered him being in there, but I didn't
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  Speaker 5: really remember him being the male lead. I couldn't have
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  Speaker 5: placed the male lead if you asked me.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, hilarious.
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  Speaker 5: But I remembered like the infamous urine scene. I remember
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  Speaker 5: that happening. I remember someone doing that, did not remember
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  Speaker 5: it was him at all. I was like, oh, this
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  Speaker 5: is weird having like a fractured version of it that
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, I remember everything about this scene, except that
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  Speaker 5: blind spot of a guy in the middle, no offense
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  Speaker 5: to Michael McKean, like who is amazing in so many
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  Speaker 5: other things, but he is obviously the most boring character
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  Speaker 5: in this movie, which by design, he is the most
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  Speaker 5: boring character. So yeah, it was interesting rewatching it. And again,
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  Speaker 5: for 80s comedies? you could be looking at a lot
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  Speaker 5: worse stuff. So there were things that I was like, ah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that was certainly a thing that happened in 80s movies.
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  Speaker 5: But there was many things that I was surprised how
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  Speaker 5: well it kind of played out.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what I said in my remarks beforehand. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: there was some really interestingly progressive elements to the film.
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  Speaker 6: There was a whole subplot with Hector Elizondo that could
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  Speaker 6: have been played very insensitively for laughs and was played
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  Speaker 6: and it came from such a true and sincere place
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  Speaker 6: In his heart, bless that man. I mean, it is
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  Speaker 6: such a sincere performance that it's really quite touching.
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  Speaker 5: I was surprised it did what it did. Because again,
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  Speaker 5: that part sort of fell away with a lot of
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  Speaker 5: the other weird details in that movie. But I was
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  Speaker 5: just like, as soon as the... I mean, that... That situation,
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  Speaker 5: we won't spoil it for you guys that for some
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  Speaker 5: reason you haven't seen this movie. I don't know what
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  Speaker 5: you're thinking. Run out and find it now. Go to
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  Speaker 5: a rental store. Right. Go get a VHS copy. And
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  Speaker 5: rent a copy of it on VHS. But yeah, it's
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  Speaker 5: like it kicks in pretty early in the movie. And
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, okay. And then I'm like, I think I
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  Speaker 5: see why this could be problematic. And then as it
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  Speaker 5: plays out, I'm like, they're not doing what I would
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  Speaker 5: expect in 1981. Right. And then as it went on,
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  Speaker 5: I'm like, I also was like, okay, so they're going
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  Speaker 5: to lean into this. No.
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  Speaker 2: Huh.
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  Speaker 5: So it's like, it's so interesting that they don't really
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  Speaker 5: go down. Like you would expect them to go all
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  Speaker 5: the way one direction or all the way the other.
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  Speaker 5: And they kind of find this weird in between that's like, again,
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  Speaker 5: sort of touching and sort of like a nice balance
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  Speaker 5: that is shocking for 1981 comedy.
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  Speaker 11: Truly.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. I was amazed at how that went. And how
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  Speaker 5: do you not love Hector Elizondo?
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  Speaker 9: Oh, so good.
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  Speaker 5: I can't say his name anymore. At this point.
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  Speaker 6: And he was in every Gary Marshall movie, right?
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's what I was going to say. He didn't
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  Speaker 5: even get the credit because it's like the first movie
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  Speaker 5: he shows up in. But eventually he became, and as always,
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  Speaker 5: he got his own goofy little end credit every time
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  Speaker 5: because he was the go-to. watch those later movies of
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  Speaker 5: Gary Marshall and he's just like and here he is
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  Speaker 5: again Hector's back don't worry so I love that yeah
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  Speaker 5: it was funny that he became sort of his his
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  Speaker 5: go-to it's his Clint Howard he's like I'm gonna work
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  Speaker 5: him in here somewhere don't you worry I'll find a
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  Speaker 5: spot for him.
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  Speaker 6: Well yeah if you can be paid to hang out
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  Speaker 6: with your buddies on a set why not.
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  Speaker 5: He does seem pretty awesome so I would hang out
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  Speaker 5: with him in 1981 today whenever you know it's he
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  Speaker 5: seems pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 6: So Yeah, he would be a good future character fest actor.
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  Speaker 5: We can get to that.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm assuming you'll want to tell people about that. But
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  Speaker 5: you also had some other stuff before that. Like I said,
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  Speaker 5: this gives you a chance to sort of go into
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  Speaker 5: the whole festival. I was really upset that I couldn't
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  Speaker 5: be there for opening night. I love the idea, so
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  Speaker 5: I guess tell people about your opening kickoff to the festival.
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 6: We were inspired by a Cinespia program at the Hollywood
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  Speaker 6: Forever Cemetery in Los Angeles, which has been going on for, golly,
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  Speaker 6: I mean, decades at this point. I think it started
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  Speaker 6: when I lived there in the early aughts, as I recall.
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  Speaker 6: And because there's so many people buried in the Hollywood
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  Speaker 6: Forever Cemetery, they started doing screenings there and tying them
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  Speaker 6: into the stars of a stars film with the star and,
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  Speaker 6: and their intern state. Um, so we decided to do one, um,
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  Speaker 6: at the, uh, at the bluegrass Memorial gardens. And I
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  Speaker 6: was a little nervous at first that, Harry's family maybe
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't be excited about the idea.
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  Speaker 5: I can see some people having that. They take it
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  Speaker 5: the wrong way.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, I wasn't sure if it was like a little macabre.
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  Speaker 6: It was like slightly morbid.
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  Speaker 5: That's what I would think a lot. Again, certain people.
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  Speaker 5: I always love the idea, but I'm also kind of creepy.
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  Speaker 5: So it's fine.
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  Speaker 6: So I reached out to the family to get permission
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  Speaker 6: before I reached out to the cemetery.
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  Speaker 9: Okay.
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  Speaker 6: And they loved the idea. They were so excited about it.
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  Speaker 6: And then I reached out to the cemetery, and we
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  Speaker 6: had a great cheerleader there who got it immediately and
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  Speaker 6: just sent it up the flagpole. And it was actually
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  Speaker 6: really cute because he started telling us. He was like, yeah,
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  Speaker 6: we have a cemetery conference. They chat with the other
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  Speaker 6: cemetery folks in other markets.
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  Speaker 5: Cemetery festivals.
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  Speaker 6: No, but he was like, everybody in Louisville is so
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  Speaker 6: jealous that we get to do this in Lexington.
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  Speaker 5: I believe it.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: So I think it was ultimately good for everybody. I
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  Speaker 6: was a little nervous because we played Lucky and I
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  Speaker 6: forgot and I always forget. No, I didn't forget with
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  Speaker 6: Young Doctors in Love, but that it's a little, there's
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  Speaker 6: some language and it's a little raunchy at the beginning.
• 15:49
  Speaker 6: It's a very sweet movie. And I just, that's always
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: the takeaway for me is the sweetness, but I forget
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: that there is. So when that started, I was like,
• 15:55
  Speaker 6: oh no, are they going to invite us back? That's
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: a lot of fucks. That's so many fucks in a row.
• 16:00
  Speaker 6: But then, sure enough.
• 16:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like there's kids there. It's mostly
• 16:04
  Speaker 5: old people. And dead people. That are buried, you know.
• 16:07
  Speaker 5: They're well old when they get buried, most of the time.
• 16:10
  Speaker 5: They've heard those words.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: But it was fun, and it worked out great, and
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: people got to pay their respects to Harry. And like
• 16:16
  Speaker 6: I was saying to you earlier, I mean, it's wild
• 16:18
  Speaker 6: that his grave is next to literally a football field-sized
• 16:24
  Speaker 6: open space that feels like it was just made to
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: have outdoor movies.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: When did they plan that, I guess?
• 16:31
  Speaker 8: After?
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: Or is it something he had planned years before and
• 16:34
  Speaker 5: had that.
• 16:34
  Speaker 6: Spot no no no no they didn't have the spot
• 16:36
  Speaker 6: at all in fact there was a lot of sort
• 16:38
  Speaker 6: of discussion as to where he would be buried and
• 16:40
  Speaker 6: they wound up he had a favorite niece and so
• 16:42
  Speaker 6: they put him near the favorite niece and it was
• 16:44
  Speaker 6: just at the at the exterior of the family plot
• 16:48
  Speaker 6: and i guess the cemetery itself has a plan where
• 16:50
  Speaker 6: they're not going to be populating that field for the
• 16:53
  Speaker 6: next 50 years so for the next 50 years it's.
• 16:55
  Speaker 5: Just going to be a field It's just for movie showings.
• 16:57
  Speaker 6: It's just for movies.
• 16:59
  Speaker 5: The way Harry would like it to be.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: And it's funny because a friend that night told me
• 17:03
  Speaker 6: that I hadn't been aware of this fact, but across
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: the street. So Harry's buried across from the Kroger and
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: the Goodwill. And apparently in that little parcel of land
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: used to be a drive-in theater. So people who went
• 17:17
  Speaker 6: to that drive-in, this was very evocative.
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: How far back are we talking?
• 17:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, this is a person of my generation, so
• 17:26
  Speaker 6: this would have been the 80s.
• 17:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, that's not bad. I was thinking, like, way
• 17:30
  Speaker 5: far back, but, you know, even the 80s, that's pretty awesome.
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and he was saying that, like, when they would
• 17:35
  Speaker 6: fly in, when they would fly home, like, I guess
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: their house was, like, behind the drive-in, so that was, like,
• 17:41
  Speaker 6: their reference point. They would see the screen. I can
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: see my house from here.
• 17:44
  Speaker 5: Exactly.
• 17:45
  Speaker 6: So we provided that for, yeah, one night.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: Maybe at that drive-in they showed Young Doctors. Probably.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: And it all came full circle. It all comes full circle. But, yeah,
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: so it was a really great event, and we loved that.
• 17:58
  Speaker 6: And then the next day, I know you spoke to
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: Susan Compo.
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: You can get to that as well.
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: I'll let you give her a little intro, and then
• 18:06
  Speaker 5: maybe we'll.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: Go talk to her. Yeah, she wrote the book on
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: Warren Oates, and it's phenomenal, and she's phenomenal. And she
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: happened to be in town because she's researching a program–
• 18:17
  Speaker 6: She's researching a book about Sam Shepard that she's been
• 18:20
  Speaker 6: working on and will be working on for.
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: Quite some time. She mentioned that.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:23
  Speaker 5: And I mentioned Paris, Texas.
• 18:26
  Speaker 6: And so all of her books seem to have a
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: Kentucky tie-in. I'm sure she mentioned the Walter Tevis book
• 18:30
  Speaker 6: as well. So she's kind of adopted Kentuckian now. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: so we said, sure, we should do a program of
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: War Notes films around this. And at the time, I
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: didn't know Sean Young was going to be here. And
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: even when I knew Sean Young was going to be here.
• 18:44
  Speaker 6: I didn't immediately put the pieces in place that, oh, wow,
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: we're celebrating three people who were born in Kentucky, all
• 18:50
  Speaker 6: of whom were in movies with each other. I mean,
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: it's wild that two of her earliest films, she did
• 18:55
  Speaker 6: Stripes with Warren Oates and then Young Doctors in Love
• 18:58
  Speaker 6: with Harry Dean.
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: That is interesting because we don't have that many people
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: in general from this area, you know, compared to the
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: entirety of the country. So the fact that as soon,
• 19:07
  Speaker 5: especially for John Young, who just started, to immediately work
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: with all these people from my general area, like that
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: is a little weird, I was thinking.
• 19:16
  Speaker 6: And in the area where she grew up, she was
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: talking about that, working at Fort Knox, where her dad
• 19:22
  Speaker 6: had been stationed because he lied about his age and
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: wound up enlisting at the age of 15.
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: Back when you used to do that sort of thing.
• 19:29
  Speaker 10: Right?
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: It just seemed to happen a lot, it seems like.
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and so she was spending time with her cousins
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: because they were filming up the street from her cousin.
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just wild.
• 19:37
  Speaker 5: That's crazy. Well, then let's go talk with her right now.
• 19:46
  Speaker 10: Sitting here bending notes all the hipsters look like war
• 19:52
  Speaker 10: notes can't remember what i was on but for a
• 19:59
  Speaker 10: couple bucks i'll play you a song.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I'm Susan Comfo, I'm the author of Worn Oats of
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Wildlife and a couple of other books.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: And you are here with Harry Dean Stanton Fest That's
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: right You've got an extra tie-in for the Worn Oats
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: part I guess before we get to that, I usually
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: start at the beginning and kind of get a feel
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: for people when they're up and coming and kind of
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: what they were interested in when they were younger So,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: if you believe things on the internet, which I don't,
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: were you from California originally?
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: I was actually born in New York City, and that's
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: what actually in a weird way led me to the
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Worn Oats Project. But I grew up in Orange County, California.
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: And then what I've seen, you know, you eventually kind
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: of get to the character actors and all that, but
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: you seem like you had a lot of interest in
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: music early on.
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, definitely.
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: I started, yeah, as a music writer.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I did a fanzine in the punk days in 1977
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: called Blank Generation, and The Pause was meant to be
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: the title, and Very few people knew how to do.
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: Here's Susan.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: She's from, you know, dead air.
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: Nobody knows how.
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: To work with that. Well, actually, Rodney Bingheimer. He was
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: one of the few people who got it. So, yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: quintessential Los Angeles personality.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, that was my first thing.
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: So what were you, were you involved in music as
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: far as playing it originally or just drawn to it
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: as a fan?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: Just drawn to it as a fan.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was, I always loved music growing up,
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: like Crosby, Stills and Nash and that sort of thing.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Then Bowie came along, huge Bowie fan. Then punk, and
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: then goth, and then shoegazing, happy Mondays, and then I thought,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I think I'm too old for this.
• 21:40
  Speaker 5: There's still a lot of crazy stuff out there.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: That's very true.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: Now it's just, it's so fractured. Like, everybody does their
• 21:48
  Speaker 5: own thing, and you just have to... happen upon it
• 21:51
  Speaker 5: most of the.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Time i know it's fascinating a.
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: Handful of people that still get pushed from the industry
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: but everybody else is just here you're on your own
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: go make your.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Music i know how hard yeah yeah i mean.
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: It's free you just don't make money so it's very
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: different than.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: I think that's yeah that's unfortunate yeah because you can't
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: sustain it it's yeah yeah it's it's much the same with.
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: Writing everybody continue working their day job, even when you're
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: in a successful band, more than likely.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: When my first book, which was a novel, got accepted,
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: I told everyone at my job, this is it. I'm
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: quitting my job. I'll never work again. Everybody looked at
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: me like, huh, of course I was working again within
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: three months.
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: I've never stopped working another job. No surprise there.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Never stopped working a side job. Never.
• 22:31
  Speaker 8: That's crazy.
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: But I feel like everybody, even people with What used
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: to be normal, legitimate jobs are the side hustle term
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: didn't come out of nowhere.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Right. And even authors who are doing really well have
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: told me that you have to at least teach.
• 22:44
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: You can't just write.
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: That does give you an option.
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: Even at the really highest level of people I've met
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: at parties and whatnot, I'm like, really?
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: You know?
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: But always, yeah.
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: So how did you realize, you know, once you were
• 22:56
  Speaker 5: just a fan of music that I also want to
• 22:58
  Speaker 5: write about it and then that I can write about it?
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I always wrote since I was little, little. I had a,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: You know, kind of not troubled childhood, but my parents
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: died quite young. So I had to fix that somehow.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: So I started writing. I was constantly writing. I can't
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: remember a time in my life when I didn't write.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: And were people responsive to it early or you just
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: kept doing it and didn't care?
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Teachers were.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: And so very, very encouraged and, you know, all kinds
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: of stuff. So, yeah. So then I started writing about
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: music and, you know, got kind of somewhere with it.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I mean, I got to the point where I sent
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: a review of a Bowie album to Cream. And I
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: got a letter back saying, you know, Lester Banks wants
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to talk to you. So I was in my little
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: childhood room with my rotary dial, and I kept dialing
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the number, and I couldn't do it. So I think
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: my students at SC, because I taught at USC in
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Los Angeles, said, you know, you're like the anti-Cameron Crowe
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: for doing that, for not being able to do it. Yeah,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: but I think my life would have been different if
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: I weren't too scared.
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Well, who knows, really.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you never know. I mean, one thing leads to
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: another and sometimes you think it's for a reason that
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: you end up where you are. Exactly. You can never tell.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: Well, then getting into it, it's like you do a
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: lot of straightforward reviewing and stuff about specific artists, but
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: then you also cross over into fiction. So is it
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: something that you specifically wanted to break free from that
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: and just sort of focus on your own stuff? Or
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: was it harder to do because you didn't have somebody's,
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: you know, when you're still following a person's story, it's
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: already kind of preset for you.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I did fiction and I think actually poetry was my
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: first love, but I thought I'll really start.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: For sure I'll start. There is no successful poet.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: So I changed my major from, you know, poetry to fiction.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: And I think my, my thesis at USC was my
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: first book, became my first book. So, well, thanks to
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: teachers like Hubert Selby, John Reggie. I mean, I had
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: big help along the way. Um, So that was my
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: first love. And I did three books that were nicely reviewed,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: but just didn't sell anything. Despite, you know, reviews by,
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: not very nice review by Brady Stinellas, but, you know,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: people like that.
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: You got them.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Front page LA Times stuff where, you know, being called vapid.
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: You're like, thanks.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: That's what I was going for. You don't understand. People
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: still called it and.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Said, congratulations, that's so cool.
• 25:23
  Speaker 7: And I thought.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a bonus as people probably don't know
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: what that means.
• 25:26
  Speaker 9: No, they don't.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Or they just did.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but the head of my department called and said,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: that's really great, Susan. And I thought, well, that's what
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: we were going for.
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: But again, it didn't, it didn't make a blind bit
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: of difference.
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 25:38
  Speaker 5: I mean, that is one of those you wonder, like,
• 25:40
  Speaker 5: at least when it's about a specific well-known person, like,
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: it's got an audience already.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Of some kind, yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: But just starting from nothing and, like, how does it
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: find people? Much like music now, it's like, how do
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: you find people?
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 25:51
  Speaker 5: How do they know to come find your book?
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an ordeal. Yeah. But then, yeah, getting into, like,
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: the different artists and doing more of a biography type
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: of thing. So was that more.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I always wanted to write a biography. I'd read Patricia Bosworth,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Montgomery cliff biography. And I thought, you know, people kept
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: saying that's the gold standard. I think I can do
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: better than that. Well, I'm not sure that I could,
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: but I really wanted to try.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And then I was, you know, in London with a
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: friend cause I worked, I lived there 10 years and
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: was working. And I thought, I said to my friend
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: over lunch, what, I just don't know who to write
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: a biography about. You said, why don't you write about
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: your favorite actor? And I thought, Oh, my favorite actor's
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: war notes. I don't think there is a book. And,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Lo and behold, there wasn't. So I tried everywhere, got
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: pretty much nowhere. And then I was actually reading a
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: book from University Press of Indiana on Carol Lombard, because
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: she was native Indianan. I thought, well, let me try Kentucky.
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: Just the fact that your favorite actor was worn out
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: is different than a lot of people.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I guess that's true.
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: That is sort of his thing, really. It's like everybody knows. Well,
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: if you're... of an age to have watched his films.
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: It's like, you're like, I know that guy. And then
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: there's other people that are big fans of his, but he's,
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: he never really broke through to being leading man, which
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: is not, you know, not really what some actors are
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: going for. So that's what we've kind of found, you know,
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: looking at this, you know, Harry Dean Stanton Fest over
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: the years, it's like some people are just working actors
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: and they like it that way. And they're focused on
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: what they're doing and not so much about stardom and,
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: you know, being a well beloved actor.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: I think he would have, He would like to have
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: crept through the big stardom, but I don't think he
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: was that driven in that way.
• 27:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: He liked, yeah, roles, like working.
• 27:38
  Speaker 5: Well, and we'll definitely get to him, but I guess
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: I also kind of wonder looking at moving into doing biographies,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: like what do you think, because you were even looking
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: at one that you liked, it's like you wanted to
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: do something better than that. What do you think you
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: were doing that was different from, than, you know, previous
• 27:54
  Speaker 5: writing and then from what other, you know, biographers did.
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: Even though it was fiction, it was all about me,
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: you know, even though it was thin and I was
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: so anxious to get out of myself.
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: I guess.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I was so anxious to be able to get
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: away from myself.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: And it, I, I have, but I noticed that you
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: still find time to write about what you like. So
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: for instance, I love going on road trips. If Warren
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: went on a few road trips, he went on a
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: million in my book just because I love writing about it.
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: So, you know, I, what little i've done writing that
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: became the only thing like mine was fanzine and it
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: was only things i cared and then like there were
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: a few times i was asked to do other stuff
• 28:30
  Speaker 5: and i didn't i was like well this is work
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: now yeah i.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Don't want to do work like and it's hard to
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: make it it's not.
• 28:36
  Speaker 5: Fun yeah so it's like when you write about stuff
• 28:38
  Speaker 5: you love it's not such a you know it's not
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: work anymore it's kind of fun still it's work in
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: a sense but it's still not yeah it's not like
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: the The nine to five it becomes when you, like,
• 28:48
  Speaker 5: get on at some paper and you're forced to write
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: about whatever comes up that week.
• 28:52
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: It's a strange thing to do, though, because biography, you
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: really don't have a life.
• 28:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: It's really gone.
• 28:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: For four years. I mean, your friends know it. Like, oh, no,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: here she comes.
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: She's going to talk about that, you know? She'll end
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: up in some little town in Kentucky somewhere. Yeah.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Well, midway the other day.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, yeah, it's kind of... I've gone to
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: a party one time that was just for biographers, and
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: I thought... Well, I wonder if people will talk about themselves,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: you know, as we do at parties. They didn't, but
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: everybody talked about their subject.
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: That becomes you.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was the funniest thing. So you'd like wander
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: from person to person to talk about their subject.
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm no different.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: Educational. I mean, you learn a lot of stuff. It
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: was actually more fun, you know, rather than, and then I,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 29:37
  Speaker 5: I guess because most people probably aren't that interesting. Yeah.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: when you pick these people that warrant their own biography,
• 29:42
  Speaker 5: they're probably pretty interesting.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they've done something to get there.
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: Yeah. So along those lines, I guess once we get
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: into that, what... When you're knee deep in Warren Oates trivia,
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: like what were some of the stranger and more interesting
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: things you found out about him as you dug into it?
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: Well, that he loved road trips, that he was really
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: interested in Zen Buddhism. I didn't know that. I didn't
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: know that he had a real Zen approach.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: Again, when you see some of his films, you wouldn't
• 30:05
  Speaker 5: necessarily think that.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: And I think that people have asked him certain things like,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: how did you do the Alfredo Garcia grave robbing scene? Well,
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: there's many reasons or ways, but he said, I use
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: my Zen, you know. That's interesting. Well, he used to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: send us some mushrooms, but you know.
• 30:18
  Speaker 5: That's also not a shock.
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a fair few other additions. But that and that
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: he was so loved. I never saw people drop anything,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: everything to talk about Warren.
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: And this was just people who knew him personally or
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: people that worked with him or everyone. Everyone, everyone, everyone.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone, well, Peter Fonda was a little bit.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: He wanted to, but then he kept canceling, and I'm
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: not really sure what was going on there.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: We hear weird stories about him.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: He had a rough growing up, too.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: He did, too.
• 30:49
  Speaker 6: He did, too.
• 30:50
  Speaker 5: He came from a strange family and was thrown into
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: stardom before he knew what to do with it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: So, yeah.
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: A good friend to warn, I would have loved to
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: have his input, but not after being stood up twice,
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: No.
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: Like, no, not doing it again.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: Well, then, I guess, of crossovers there, I mean, he
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: and Harry Dean Stanton worked together several times.
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: And then, so I guess, what was the connection between
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: the two of them that you found?
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: Well, certainly Kentucky.
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: And just a love of a craft, and actually a
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: real competition, since they were up for a lot of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the same roles, and in a way occupied a similar
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: kind of character.
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean, Harry Dean always read older, you know?
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: It's like, even when he was young, he felt like...
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: He did read older, and he was.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I think four years older.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah. But still, four years is nothing compared to on screen.
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: He could play 20 years older probably easy from the
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: time he was 30. He just always came off so
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: much older than he actually was. You're right.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: I think they both had droll senses of humor, both
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: interested in deep conversation, drinking, pop, whatever else was going on.
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: None of that surprises me.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: Running around with women, you know.
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: Interesting the... zen part of it too, because the more
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: you get into Harry Dean, the more like he has
• 32:00
  Speaker 5: this philosophy and his is almost nihilism at some points.
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: I mean, he gets so into like nothing matters, but
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: at the same time, I always, I always found fault
• 32:11
  Speaker 5: with that. I'm like, but a man who put together
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: such an amazing career and was so beloved by other people.
• 32:17
  Speaker 5: And like, I feel like, I don't know. I don't
• 32:20
  Speaker 5: see how that works.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: Like, right.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: He just seemed like he had so much pride in
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: what he did that I'm like, well, obviously your work
• 32:27
  Speaker 5: matters and the people you love matter. So I don't know.
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: I think that became more of a thing he liked
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: to throw out there. I always sort of questioned it
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: because I think he's so impressive as who he was.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Oh, sure. There's an F. Scott Fitzgerald saying that I
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: think I have as one of my Facebook, whatever these
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: things is. And he said, few things matter and nothing
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: matters very much. And when you think someone like, Scott Fitzgerald,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I think everything matters. You know, evidence from his work
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: and his life. I don't think few things matter to him.
• 32:54
  Speaker 5: Meticulous.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, everything matters. Everything. Yeah, yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 5: Well, and then I guess, you know, from both Warren
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: and Harry Dean Stanton, they're, again, very different in the
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: style of acting and the projects that they took on.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: So what do you think was so different about those
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: type of actors and those men in particular, I suppose?
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Well, I grew up in it. Well, let's see. It's
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: very different because Harry Dean came out west and trained
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: in the Presidium Playhouse and came up that route.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: Warren went to New York and did early TV, not
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: really much Broadway, but a little bit.
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: And then came west when TV started getting hot. And
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: Harry Dean was more trained theatrically.
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: But they both deeply cared about their craft, even though
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: they didn't. well i don't know necessarily speak about acting
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: yeah how what acting called for but.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: But they're both very committed to that level.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Yes and they both studied yeah it was not an accident.
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: They don't just show up like you know as much
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: as again certainly harry dean always came off like you
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: know he could just kind of roll in but he
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: you know if you if you find out more about
• 34:03
  Speaker 5: him he would prepare and he would work and like
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: he would put so much of himself into that role
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: and Warren I'm sure it was the same way.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 34:12
  Speaker 5: But they're also very different from you know especially at
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: that time you know so many of the big movies
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: came from like the 70s.
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: So these type of you know real men, as they
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: used to throw around that term, like, they kind of
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: come across as, like, they're not your fancy Hollywood star. Like,
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: they really do seem like somebody that, you know, you'd
• 34:33
  Speaker 5: probably work with. If they weren't, you know, a movie star,
• 34:36
  Speaker 5: they would be working at a job with you.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they didn't have glamour Hollywood lives.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Yeah. They were pretty down-to-earth as people, but also sort
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: of brought that to the screen.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Realism.
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, then, I don't know. Were there any, like,
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: specific stories about Warren Oates that were something to throw
• 34:56
  Speaker 5: out there for people that ended up in the book?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, he had a thing called the Roach Coach,
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: which was his traveling RV for obvious names. And they
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: would take this thing everywhere. They'd take it out to
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Joshua Tree to look for UFOs. They'd drive to locations
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: with this. Warren and his friend Bob Watkins would Drive
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: to Montana a lot to Livingston where they had their
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: little Montana mafia, you know, Hollywood on the Yellowstone. And
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: would do a thing called the cowboy change, which they
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: would change seats while the van was in motion.
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: That sounds safe.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds safe.
• 35:30
  Speaker 5: I'm sure they weren't on anything either.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, not at all.
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: No substances were involved.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, loads and loads of fun, you know, it seems
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: like doing that.
• 35:39
  Speaker 11: Definitely.
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we've definitely got the book we can
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: tell people about, but do you want to discuss anything else?
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: I mean, you mentioned you're working on other stuff. You're
• 35:50
  Speaker 5: free to throw that out there.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I did a book on the making of
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: The Man Who Fell to Earth, which was interesting. So
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Bowie Project. Yeah, so talk to Nick Rogue briefly. He
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: was end of his life, not doing so well. And
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: pretty much everyone involved with the film except Bowie, because
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: I thought I might get him, but then alas, you know.
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: It's an elusive character.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: Interesting to do the life of a film because that
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: book was written by Walter Tavis, a Kentuckian, and set
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: in Kentucky, set to be filmed in Kentucky, but then
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: moved to New Mexico because they had a freer... Pricing.
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: That's usually what does it. Oh, absolutely.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: And they could have an all-British crew.
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: But try to imagine the film without the landscape of
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: New Mexico.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah. sometimes again sometimes things happen for a reason.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah it really did so that was fun to do
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: and then now I'm working on a project about I'm
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: not the only one but Sam Shepard so yeah yet
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: another Sam Shepard book and it's.
• 36:46
  Speaker 5: It's crossover he yeah his his contribution to Paris Texas
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: is phenomenal so very true yeah he's he's got a
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: nice little connection to Harry Dean and of.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Course that yeah and the connection to Kentucky yeah yeah
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: yeah and that's that's it's it's fun but it's bittersweet
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: yeah this one it's a little bit harder.
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: He at least had a good run and got to
• 37:11
  Speaker 5: work on so many different projects over the years.
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: He really did. Oddly, I find a lot of.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: It worked with Graham Clifford who edited The Man Who
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: Fell to Earth and also directed Francis, so brought Sam
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: and Jessica together. Anyway, he said that Sam reminded him
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: a lot of David Bowie. It's a funny sort of
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: way they have a lot in common.
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: It's interesting.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Like fear of flying, change names... getting their teeth fixed
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and actually using their illnesses at the end of life
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: to create work.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: And there's, there's more than that. And it's kind of
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: a strange thing to jump off and, but I'm doing it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: I'm creative people.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 37:47
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: When you're super creative, even in totally different ways, I
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: think there is like a weird Venn diagram somewhere.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 37:54
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: There's a crossover that like.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: They were actually in the same place once. And I
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: wish they could have.
• 38:00
  Speaker 5: It seems like they would have hit it off.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: I think they would have, they would have had things
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: in common regardless. Cause, Bowie went to see Sam play
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: A Lie of the Mind in New York. And his
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: sister told me they were both standing, leaning against the
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: wall in the lobby, not talking to anybody. And she said,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: I really should go up to one and say, hey,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: let me introduce you to my brother. It would be
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: fun to know what they were talking about. But again,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: there's a period or a time where Sam meets Charles
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Bukowski at the racetrack. And I think, oh, I'd love
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: to know what they're talking about.
• 38:29
  Speaker 5: I horses yeah it's probably not again not.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: The state of the universe they're talking about who's you
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: know they're not that's it.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: I think that's the that's the thing is instead of
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: the reality of it you you take that moment and
• 38:42
  Speaker 5: you write a story about it so you can create
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: a meeting of them yeah that would be way more
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: interesting wouldn't that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Be great yeah and yeah like i said they definitely
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: had the high cheap bones market covered you know yeah
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: definitely kings of the high cheap bones.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Definitely yeah Well, any of these books, I guess what's
• 38:58
  Speaker 5: the best way for people to find them if they
• 38:59
  Speaker 5: want to pick up a version?
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: Amazon or, you know, bookshop.org, which is much more independent
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: bookstore friendly and, you know, gives back a bit more.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: But probably anywhere.
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Except probably not too many bookstores.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they're hard to find. We have a few. Oh,
• 39:15
  Speaker 5: I was in one today. I was in Black Swan.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: I got some Shepard. I got some Shepard in there.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: There's a handful still hanging on in my town, and
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: I think Lexington's.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Got oh really yeah i should go.
• 39:25
  Speaker 5: I can yeah i can try to think of a
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: few for that.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Would be good that's something for maybe more shepherd definitely.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah but yeah so i guess go look for those
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: and pick them up and thank you.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: For talking okay well thanks for coming by.
• 39:36
  Speaker 5: No problem thank you you're welcome.
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: And you weren't in any scenes with Warren that I recall,
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: but you said that you did get to know him.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: We were in some of the chase sequences. Remember when
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: we're in Russia and he's on top of the EM-50
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: and then they like blow it up and I think
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: his last line is, I'm getting.
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: Too old for this shit.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: So we were all hanging around at that time when
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: we were in that area and that actual location was
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: the Jim Bean distillery in Kentucky. And the funny thing,
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: it was literally a block away from my first cousins.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: So for lunch break, I used to go up to
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: my cousins, and then he'd let them come back down.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: And it was just funny being able to work in Louisville.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: During the weekends, I would go see my grandparents who.
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: Lived on 41st Street, near downtown Louisville. And it was... Yeah,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: it was just, and it was my actually first big
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: budget Hollywood film.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: The only one I had done, I can't remember if
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I did.
• 41:01
  Speaker 9: Blade Runner first.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I guess I must have. So, Stripes was my first
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: big Hollywood film, then Blade Runner, then Young Doctors in Love.
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: That's quite a lineup.
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: It was.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: It opened very quickly, and I think people forget that
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I was actually pretty young when my star arose. And, yeah,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I had a not a lot of experience. So I
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: really had to learn quickly.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: And with the dance background, I was lucky to be
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: able to move well.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a lot of problems figuring out what.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: To do because I could look at other people.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: But getting comfortable talking, well, I personally can see that
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: in this film. I'm pretty self-conscious.
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I can kind of pick it up and kind.
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: Of go like that voice. You know, that's what I'm saying.
• 41:53
  Speaker 11: I'm like, where am I going to get that?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I have no idea.
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: It totally works for the character because you're from a
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: rural community and you're kind of having.
• 42:02
  Speaker 5: Your eyes open to a bigger city.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: If you say so.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: I'll buy it.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: I'll take it. It's my story and I'm sticking with it.
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: This is Hunter Carson, and you're listening to me have
• 42:26
  Speaker 7: a meltdown on Movie Meltdown.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: I guess, do we round it out with rounding out
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: of the festival? Do we go to the closing night ceremonies?
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Sure.
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: What would you like to know?
• 42:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know. I guess just give the rundown of
• 42:46
  Speaker 5: what you did on that last day and how you
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: kind of closed things out. Sure.
• 42:50
  Speaker 6: So we had two films that we have never shown before,
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: which is very exciting for us. One that I've been
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: wanting to show for a very long time, which is
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: one from the heart. Frederick Forrest, who I think is
• 43:00
  Speaker 6: one of the greatest character actors of all time, sadly
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: passed away in June. And we had already planned to
• 43:06
  Speaker 6: screen this. We obviously didn't want it to be a
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: memorial screening, but that's what it wound up being. His
• 43:11
  Speaker 6: friendship with Harry I find fascinating. I had the incredible
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: privilege to have a phone chat with him one time
• 43:19
  Speaker 6: Jamie James who I should also mention will be playing
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: in Lexington as sort of a epilogue to Harry Dean
• 43:24
  Speaker 6: Stanton Fest he was Harry's longtime guitar player and he
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: was very tight with Fred Forrest and so he gave
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: me his number and we got to chat for a
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: little while and I learned things about Harry that I
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: did not know that I have not read anywhere that
• 43:37
  Speaker 6: I've heard no one else report for instance that he
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: went and shot a scene for Apocalypse Now have we
• 43:43
  Speaker 6: talked about this?
• 43:43
  Speaker 5: I don't think so.
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: Harry was in Apocalypse Now, fully shot the scene, and
• 43:48
  Speaker 6: I'm really embarrassed because I can't remember the name of
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: the actor who wound up actually being in the movie
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: in Harry's role.
• 43:54
  Speaker 5: Martin Sheen.
• 43:56
  Speaker 8: Oh, my God.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: That would be a very different movie.
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: What a movie that would be.
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: Marlon Brando.
• 44:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, what a crazy movie this is turning out to be.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: Lawrence Fitch. Young Harry Dean somehow CGI'd him before that
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: technology existed.
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: But Frederick Forrest obviously played Chef, and he had flown
• 44:16
  Speaker 6: out with Harry to be on the set, and then apparently,
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: I guess, of all the many things that happened during
• 44:23
  Speaker 6: the course of the filming of Apocalypse Now, one of
• 44:25
  Speaker 6: the things was a bunch of lost footage due to
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: a storm, and that footage was lost, and then I
• 44:31
  Speaker 6: guess they said, you know, now that we have to
• 44:34
  Speaker 6: reshoot this, maybe we'll just go in a completely different direction.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah. We don't even have that footage. Even if it
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: didn't end up in the.
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Movie, the fact that we can't see it is just terrible.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I hate that. Anytime that happens, which happens a
• 44:48
  Speaker 5: lot in movie history, and yeah, it's always kind of painful.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Just as a movie geek. But I want to see it,
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: even if it's not part of the movie.
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: But I had never heard that. And Fred wouldn't make
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: it up. So I believe Fred.
• 45:04
  Speaker 5: Well, and I believe everything went wrong with that movie.
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: So I can't question that, oh, something destroyed this footage.
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: Any number of things could have destroyed. From the cast
• 45:14
  Speaker 5: members to Storms. helicopters, take your pick. Like, who knows
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: what could have gone wrong in the making.
• 45:20
  Speaker 8: Of that film.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: And I can see it being something that Harry wouldn't
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: talk about afterward, because I know he was sort of
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: sensitive about that sort of thing. He pretended to be
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: utterly without ego, but he was not.
• 45:29
  Speaker 5: I discussed that earlier as well.
• 45:32
  Speaker 6: Okay, interesting.
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: Well, I always have that, like... So complicated. The claiming that,
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: you know, nothing matters, but yet being so dedicated to
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: his craft and so beloved by... everyone around him. And
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: I'm like, all these things are obviously important. So it's
• 45:47
  Speaker 5: such a weird balance with him, but.
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: Well, it was very, and I think we've probably talked
• 45:50
  Speaker 6: about this before too, but Sophie Huber's sort of theory
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: on this and partly fiction was that he cared so
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: much that he had to get to a place in
• 45:59
  Speaker 6: his life where he tried to adopt this This veneer
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: of not caring.
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: So it didn't overwhelm him.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: To sort of convince himself, but was probably not entirely successful.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: I didn't buy it.
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 46:15
  Speaker 5: Every time I watched something where he talked about it,
• 46:18
  Speaker 5: I was like, different people, I might even buy this,
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: but not from you. There's too much awesome, amazing stuff
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: there and too much connecting with other human beings. I'm like,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: I'm not buying it.
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and I get it. And then we showed The
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: Fourth War, which is a John Frankenheimer film from the
• 46:36
  Speaker 6: early 90s. Oh, I do want to mention there's something
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: very important that Young Doctors in Love and One from
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: the Heart were both films just sort of close together.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: So they have one unifying Harry Dean characteristic, which is
• 46:50
  Speaker 6: that for a brief time, Harry Dean had the most
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: amazing early 80s permanent.
• 46:56
  Speaker 10: And.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: I was going to say, his hair in Young Doctors
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: in Love is pretty epic. Yeah.
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: Watch One from the Heart. It's got nothing on One
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: from the Heart.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: So this is a shared universe. Yes. Sort of its
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: own little Harry Dean has its own MCU.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: The unifying, yes.
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: Not that he isn't also in the MCU. Because he is.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: Because he is. But the Harry Dean universe is its
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: own thing that's bigger than that.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: So, yeah. So, and then The Fourth War, we actually
• 47:22
  Speaker 6: had requests to screen that because recently Quentin Tarantino had
• 47:27
  Speaker 6: discussed that film on his podcast and everybody was like, wait,
• 47:29
  Speaker 6: what is this movie about?
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: That's what most movies he talks about.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: It's fine. And it's actually, you know, it's not a
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: good movie. I'm not going to pretend it is. But
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: Harry's great in it. I mean, he plays a military
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: man and he is intense.
• 47:45
  Speaker 5: Which is interesting because that's not how you see him
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: most of the time. It's very off-brand.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: Opposite of him, yeah. Very off-brand. And he also like
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: has the sort of the framing device of the whole movie.
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: He narrates it starting in the beginning and bookends it
• 48:01
  Speaker 6: and then has this incredible scene in the middle that
• 48:03
  Speaker 6: Quentin Tarantino talked about as just being the most absurd
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: example of just pure exposition. He just, I mean, you
• 48:09
  Speaker 6: don't have to watch the movie because the two minutes
• 48:12
  Speaker 6: of him explaining what the movie is about is the movie.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: Just give us a Harry Dean super cut.
• 48:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 48:17
  Speaker 5: It's like all the stuff that we need about Harry
• 48:19
  Speaker 5: Dean and then we'll skip the rest of it.
• 48:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: But Tim Reed's great in it, so props to Tim Reed.
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 48:25
  Speaker 6: But it's fine.
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: Wait, there's a lot of movies. We've got to work
• 48:30
  Speaker 5: through all of them.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: Gary Dean cranked out a lot of stuff over the years.
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: And I will say I was resistant to that for
• 48:36
  Speaker 6: a long time. I was like, well, there's some movies
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: we just can't show.
• 48:39
  Speaker 5: We can't show Young Doctors.
• 48:40
  Speaker 6: We can't show Dream a Little Dream, but we did.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: And you did that. That was also Saturday night. You
• 48:46
  Speaker 5: had a packed Saturday.
• 48:47
  Speaker 6: Saturday was wild. And that is because initially Dream a
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: Little Dream was going to be the only Saturday night event.
• 48:53
  Speaker 6: And then Sean Young said, I can only do Saturday.
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: So we were like, okay, we'll do all the things. So,
• 49:00
  Speaker 6: and it worked out great.
• 49:01
  Speaker 5: And people enjoy Dream a Little Dream. They enjoy. What
• 49:06
  Speaker 5: is this word? I mean, I like a Corey. Not
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: necessarily both Corys. I'm favorable to one Cory, kind of
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: annoyed with another Cory.
• 49:15
  Speaker 8: Fair.
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: I actually love this movie. I think it's like a
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: Corey arthouse movie, which is so weird.
• 49:22
  Speaker 9: Why?
• 49:22
  Speaker 5: I remember watching it. I think Cable was the only time.
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: I skipped it at the theater because it seemed like
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: Corey's gone wrong. And then I remember seeing it and
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: I'm going, what is going on with this movie?
• 49:33
  Speaker 6: It was so designed to fail in a way that
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: I find really fun. Um, and I think, uh, obviously
• 49:40
  Speaker 6: Piper Laurie is always incredible. Like the cast, like you
• 49:43
  Speaker 6: can't even think of it as like a Corey's movie.
• 49:45
  Speaker 6: Cause it was like a Jason Robards, Piper Laurie movie.
• 49:48
  Speaker 6: Like anyway, I love this film.
• 49:50
  Speaker 5: Um, We'll be seeing more of this is what it
• 49:53
  Speaker 5: sounds like.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: We had some audio issues. We had some technical issues.
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: And it was actually funny because we've never, I mean,
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: things go pretty seamlessly with Harry Dean Stanifest.
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: Surprisingly over the years, yeah.
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: I've always said that that's just because of the magic
• 50:05
  Speaker 6: and the energy that surrounded Harry. And that night, everything
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: was going wrong. And I was like, what the fuck
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: is happening? It's Harry Dean Stanifest. Everything's supposed to go right.
• 50:14
  Speaker 6: And I was like, oh, I forgot the curse of
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: the Corys. Is going to overwhelm the magic of Harry Dean.
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: These two forces.
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: Are diametrically opposed. Yeah.
• 50:26
  Speaker 6: So, so there it is. So we'll have to screen
• 50:29
  Speaker 6: it another time or I don't know. Do we mess with,
• 50:32
  Speaker 6: I don't know. We'll see.
• 50:33
  Speaker 5: I think, I think you can work with it.
• 50:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah. But yeah, that was, that was the weekend.
• 50:39
  Speaker 8: Awesome.
• 50:40
  Speaker 5: So is there a good, before we get to the
• 50:43
  Speaker 5: next phase, If people are interested in the next go-round,
• 50:46
  Speaker 5: is there a good place for just Harry Dean or
• 50:48
  Speaker 5: is it all becoming one big thing? No.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: So we're going to keep– are you saying– Well, no.
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: As far as just finding out information, just go to
• 50:57
  Speaker 5: the website kind of thing.
• 50:57
  Speaker 6: HarryDeanStanFest.org.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 50:59
  Speaker 6: You can get all of your Harry Dean Fest information there.
• 51:02
  Speaker 11: All right.
• 51:02
  Speaker 5: So there's your plan for that.
• 51:04
  Speaker 8: Yes.
• 51:04
  Speaker 5: For when you're thinking this sounds super awesome. You're right.
• 51:07
  Speaker 5: And then you can start planning for next year. Yeah.
• 51:10
  Speaker 6: And we already have the dates because we always do
• 51:12
  Speaker 6: it around Harry's birthday. So 2024, it'll be July 12th
• 51:15
  Speaker 6: through the 14th.
• 51:16
  Speaker 8: There you go.
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: So mark your calendars. Start making your travel plans now.
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: Which people do.
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: They do.
• 51:22
  Speaker 5: The people I run into every year, both of which
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: don't live either in my town or your town, and
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: come into town for it. I mean, as this has
• 51:31
  Speaker 5: gone on, you've developed your own little, like, not just
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: fan base, but sort of family that, like, they're back
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: every year. And now like, that's kind of amazing for anything,
• 51:41
  Speaker 5: especially in your own town, but to travel to an
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: entire different place just to be part of this is,
• 51:46
  Speaker 5: I think that says a lot.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: It's our family reunion.
• 51:49
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: It's pretty amazing. So you should be part of that
• 51:52
  Speaker 5: next time around. Yes, please. And then we know because
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: of last year, you've got an offshoot kind of new thing,
• 52:01
  Speaker 5: new compared to the Harry Dean that's been going on
• 52:04
  Speaker 5: for a while. So, Do you want to discuss, or
• 52:07
  Speaker 5: at least give a basic... teaser for the sure the
• 52:10
  Speaker 5: next and upcoming festival.
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: So as inspired by harry dean stanton despite the fact
• 52:14
  Speaker 6: that he did not like being called a character actor
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: um sorry lead in paris texas damn you people well
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: i think he always said like what what's the stupid
• 52:24
  Speaker 6: like a character you're always a character but i think
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: he didn't like.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: He was definitely a character in whichever way you want
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: to phrase that but he's also yeah yeah bring an
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: amazing character to what you do if you're.
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: A good actor but we definitely want to we've Initially,
• 52:38
  Speaker 6: we were thinking that we would end Harry Dean Stanfest
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: at some point. Clearly, that's never going to happen. It's
• 52:42
  Speaker 6: going to go on as long as I have breath
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: in my lungs. But we decided that we also want
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: to honor living actors. And so we do a standalone
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: character fest this year. It is going to be in November.
• 52:56
  Speaker 6: Last year was in the summer right after Harry Dean Stanfest.
• 52:58
  Speaker 6: That was a terrible idea.
• 52:59
  Speaker 5: Because you were trying to kill yourself. Yes, basically.
• 53:02
  Speaker 6: But it didn't work.
• 53:04
  Speaker 5: So now you're going to... have a reasonable way to
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: deal with it yes and spread them out a little.
• 53:09
  Speaker 6: Bit yes so that's a that's a lexington film or
• 53:11
  Speaker 6: a harry dean stanfest kentucky theater co-production um and so
• 53:15
  Speaker 6: we'll all the events will be at the kentucky unlike
• 53:17
  Speaker 6: harry dean stanfest where we obviously jump around and do
• 53:20
  Speaker 6: a bunch of stuff yes sometimes literally yeah right from
• 53:22
  Speaker 6: one thing to the next um but uh the first
• 53:26
  Speaker 6: year we honored cy richardson who was the most amazing
• 53:29
  Speaker 6: guest and again that oh my gosh he was incredible
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: and that was another like weird everything comes back to
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: kentucky moment because we had no idea when we invited
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: him that his lovely wife theresa is from lexington and
• 53:40
  Speaker 6: so her whole family came and that wound up being
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: a family reunion for them and it was awesome.
• 53:44
  Speaker 5: That was pretty fun i remember just standing there watching
• 53:47
  Speaker 5: them just all these people and they were all just
• 53:50
  Speaker 5: Not near as thrilled that he was there as like
• 53:52
  Speaker 5: we were. It was just they were having family reunions,
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: talking to each other, just glad to be hanging out
• 53:57
  Speaker 5: at the theater and like having a good time together. Yes.
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: And they were so supportive of him. I talk about
• 54:01
  Speaker 6: this all the time because they're a church going family
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: and Cy and his wife are both people of faith.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: And so they went to church on Sunday morning. And
• 54:11
  Speaker 6: then the first afternoon screening we had was Alex Cox's
• 54:14
  Speaker 6: Straight to Hell. Which I was sitting there for.
• 54:17
  Speaker 5: It is not necessarily what you would think of to
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: follow up your church ruins.
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: Yes, but they were so supportive of Psy that they
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: came and they watched it and they applauded appropriately.
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: It's amazing in its own right, but that's kind of
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: awesome for them.
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: Yes, Xander Berkley does play, well, no spoilers.
• 54:37
  Speaker 5: It's amazing. It's not what you would expect if you've
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: ever seen a movie. It's not like one of those.
• 54:44
  Speaker 5: It is its own weird thing. I remember the first
• 54:46
  Speaker 5: time I watched it going, I love this. And what
• 54:48
  Speaker 5: the hell is it? And I watched it again in
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: the theater. I was like, yep, still crazy as hell.
• 54:54
  Speaker 5: And yet I can't get enough of it. It's so weird.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: And so terrific. And yeah, so I love that movie.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 55:00
  Speaker 6: And it's another one that's a very good cinematic communal
• 55:04
  Speaker 6: experience because, yeah, the reaction.
• 55:07
  Speaker 5: The reaction of what? Why is this like that? And
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: I don't. Give me more. That's every moment of that movie.
• 55:17
  Speaker 6: But yeah, so we'll be having our second annual Character
• 55:19
  Speaker 6: Fest at the Kentucky Theater in November. We have not
• 55:22
  Speaker 6: announced who our guest is. Maybe we'll do that soon.
• 55:26
  Speaker 5: I'm just glad to know at least the ballpark. I
• 55:28
  Speaker 5: wasn't even sure when it was hitting. So I'm like,
• 55:30
  Speaker 5: all right, we'll at least try to narrow that down today.
• 55:33
  Speaker 5: So now you can start planning that. You only have
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: to wait till next year now. You can just start
• 55:37
  Speaker 5: a couple months out. Start piecing your plan together.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: Yep.
• 55:42
  Speaker 5: That's how you'll kick off your holidays. You'll go to
• 55:43
  Speaker 5: Character Fest.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 55:44
  Speaker 5: And then you'll start Christmas shopping.
• 55:46
  Speaker 8: So, you know.
• 55:46
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's how you'll know from now on. It's Christmas
• 55:49
  Speaker 6: shopping season after Character Fest.
• 55:50
  Speaker 5: Everyone on your list gets, you know, swagged from Character Fest. Yes. Okay,
• 55:57
  Speaker 5: so is there a specific place for that or.
• 56:02
  Speaker 6: No, we do.
• 56:03
  Speaker 5: Because I know it goes through a lot of other people.
• 56:07
  Speaker 5: So that's why I didn't know what's the best place
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: to find it, if any.
• 56:10
  Speaker 6: Well, if there are any web designers listening, because we
• 56:14
  Speaker 6: do have a domain. And I tried to resuscitate my
• 56:20
  Speaker 6: already paltry design skills. And it didn't go great.
• 56:25
  Speaker 5: It's a lot to deal with.
• 56:26
  Speaker 6: There will be a characterfest.org. Not super active at the
• 56:30
  Speaker 6: moment or existent at all.
• 56:33
  Speaker 5: I'm looking at mine earlier today, and I'm like, yeah,
• 56:35
  Speaker 5: I need to fix that, too.
• 56:37
  Speaker 10: And that.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: Like, there's stuff from so long ago that's still there that, like,
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: I need to fix that. But it takes so much time.
• 56:44
  Speaker 8: It's just.
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: Websites. It's a lot to deal with. But, yes. I
• 56:49
  Speaker 5: get it.
• 56:49
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 56:50
  Speaker 6: But yes, the Harry Dean Stanton Fest Facebook page. We
• 56:53
  Speaker 6: have a Character Fest Instagram, so you can follow that.
• 56:56
  Speaker 6: I think it's just called Character Fest. I'm not good
• 56:59
  Speaker 6: at this part.
• 57:01
  Speaker 5: Sorry. If you don't find it, message me. I'll find
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: it for you. Yeah, there you go.
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: Perfect.
• 57:04
  Speaker 5: And send it right to you. So sooner or later,
• 57:07
  Speaker 5: one way or another, we'll find what you need. Just
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: let us know. All right. Well, thank you for recapping.
• 57:13
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 57:14
  Speaker 5: And then throwing the heads up for the next thing
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: that's coming.
• 57:16
  Speaker 6: I appreciate you being part of the Harry Dean Stanfest family.
• 57:19
  Speaker 5: I thank you for letting me come back every year.
• 57:22
  Speaker 5: I asked you this year, I was like, do you
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: want me to come? Because at this point, I don't
• 57:25
  Speaker 5: assume anybody needs me anywhere. So I'm like, every event now,
• 57:29
  Speaker 5: I'm like, do you guys want.
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: To do this?
• 57:31
  Speaker 5: It's fine for me.
• 57:32
  Speaker 6: You're part of the team.
• 57:34
  Speaker 5: I appreciate that, but I don't assume anything. So I'm
• 57:39
  Speaker 5: glad to be part of the team. Thank you for
• 57:42
  Speaker 5: joining us for this episode. overview of Harry Dean and
• 57:45
  Speaker 5: celebration of everything that is Harry Dean. Otherwise that about
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: does it. We will return next time. Same geek feed.
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: Thanks for listening.
• 58:12
  Speaker 10: Hey, Hey, Hey.
• 58:14
  Speaker 11: Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey. I
• 58:44
  Speaker 11: think I'm gonna go You know I wanna live with
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: you Wanna be a little wild You know it's me,
• 59:03
  Speaker 11: you know it's true The time is right for us now.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: So come along with me, babe.
• 59:10
  Speaker 11: Hey, hey, hey.
• 59:22
  Speaker 9: I want to gently touch your home. I wanna touch
• 59:26
  Speaker 9: your lego I want it to feel you close, oh
• 59:33
  Speaker 9: I want it to feel you close, oh.
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: Under the stars tonight Under the pale blue moon, yeah
• 59:44
  Speaker 3: And under the cool night breeze And into the cool
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: night glow.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 8: Bye.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Bye.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 12: They usually do, like, figures from history. But the problem
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 12: with that is we learn from history that we don't
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 12: learn from history.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: That is true.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 12: But we learn from Harry Dean Stanley. that we do
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 12: learn from Harry Dean Stanton.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good point.
• 1:01:15
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