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Strictly Bias with Will Retherford: NFL Week 15 Reaction (2.113.2) · The Central Indiana Sports Report

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[SPEAKER_00]: Welcome back to this week's edition of Strictly Bias with your truly will-reutherford I am here at Stage 22 with the legend Greg Mingal is my co-host and we are here this week to break down the week 15 NFL Slate Greg, I thought that the pretenders separate themselves from the contenders this week and you saw some teams were hanging on just by a thread lose their opportunity to play in January football Greg, I've had a lot to say but first
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[SPEAKER_01]: I want to know if you'll accept my apology, it's three weeks ago, I said I hated your top five teams most likely to win the Super Bowl, turned out you were your list was better than mine at the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I still, you didn't have Buffalo on it, which was one of the problems.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I still think when you see Josh Allen, you have to have him in the top five just having him alone.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But your list was a lot better than I thought, the Broncos are better than I
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's up my apology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I appreciate the apology.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's still a lot of football left to be played.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Fortunately enough for me, the Broncos have clinched a play off spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we know for sure that they are going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I imagine that they will win the division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: but they have a big one next week against Jacksonville.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's another contender pretender game where it's like, where do you elevate or downgrade one of those two teams based on what you see?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought it was an interesting week that you saw all kinds of city lose their playoff hopes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You saw Cincinnati lose their playoff hopes, which I mean, it was not a real stretch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I should have done that division race.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was bad as that division is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In a cowboy's all, but have one more Eagles win the cowboy's have eliminated themselves as well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So it was just Colts have eliminated them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's going to be really difficult, especially we're going to need something to happen against Houston.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They do have the head to head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that is nice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You'd like to see it come down to E.K.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 18 win and in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Kind of situation for the cold.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we're going to see that though to be quite frank with you after what we saw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll talk about the Colts later, but I thought that the NFL Slay as a whole there were there are some teams especially Jacksonville and Houston that like really jumped out and just kind of put it to bad teams in a way that haven't really seen this year that those are both two teams that have kind of allowed teams to hang around with them a little bit and they just kind of put foot to neck and I think that those are two teams that have been rising the last five weeks that
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[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe they're not like the elite contenders you think of, but with as wide open as this AFC is, I think anybody that gets in has a shot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I really do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it just comes down to his plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're best ball and obviously those are two organizations that I think are really happy with where they're at right now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk more about the Colts on Wednesday on the Colts report.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There are reports that Anthony Richardson is going to be available for Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The Colts say they're going with Philip Rivers anyway.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk more about that on Wednesday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: For now, I can't wait to hear who your winners and losers are because it was an interesting, well, I think that it's one of those weeks where it's like, you know, do we want to sit here and waste the time talking about the chiefs who really kind of had a foot out the door to begin with, it was going to be really hard for them probably to get in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They definitely deserve at least an honorable mention.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yesterday was a bad day in Kansas City Chief history.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they have their loser with my homes injury.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They get enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've been talked out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if you've turned on the TV and did sports television today, you heard all about the cheese.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sure of.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So we're going to actually talk about teams that matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, cheese for his own.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Hey, well, who are the winners and the losers of the week?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, let's jump right in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the Patriots were a loser this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have them on the list because they dropped the opportunity to really contend for that number one seed now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Packer or excuse me, the Broncos had the head to head based on aFC record and common opponents to begin with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think now having a game down doesn't look great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: and you saw how great of a team they were.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were up 21 nothing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You text me wow.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I hadn't been watching the game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I texted what the F. Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's going on in Fox.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then all of a sudden it's just like Josh Allen got hot and it didn't matter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's something that this Patriot team to might struggle with in this playoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Does if somebody just gets going, they didn't really have an answer in that second half for what Josh
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[SPEAKER_00]: they did with it was too late in the hinders and touchdown, but it was just like you're given the ball right back to Josh.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think he's got a score.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So are you going to are you going to have enough at the end to do so?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think that I still kind of think their pretenders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Better than even I thought I had him in the playoffs from the whole get go, but I don't think that they're
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think if they win that division, they're contenders in the FC if they don't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They also let the bills get back into that division conversation, and I'm not sure if that's a team that is going on the road, and I love them winning games on the road.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that if they play home, yeah, I think they get potentially win a game, but I don't see them.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Whoever wins that division is serious, and whoever doesn't has to go on the road for get playoff games is going to struggle, whoever wins that division is a big deal.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Panthers were a big loser too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had the opportunity to go win a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: in New Orleans against a bad opponent and they could game lead on the division and they stopped to play each other two more times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's like they really had a chance to put themselves in the driver's seat and they just go and lose a game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not like they played horrible.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just didn't play good enough to win and they just let New Orleans hang around at home and it just I'm starting to believe that Tyler shook his a little better than what we thought he was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not saying he's some elite quarterback but like he's definitely a
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[SPEAKER_01]: capable NFL quarterback, I think at this point, and I'm just going to believe that Kell and more is a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that the way they hung in games early in the year since that he had good game plans, I just didn't really have the guys to go win games when they needed to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think Chris Alave is a number one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that based on the way this team's progress throughout the year, you consider bringing him back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was a guy that could get traded at the deadline and get you some valuable picks back with how good he had played.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's kind of continued that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got Devon Valle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They gave up some picks to get him and the offseason from Denver and everybody kind of scratched their head.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, he doesn't really seem to be that involved with the offense, but with Rashid Shahid getting traded to Seattle,
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[SPEAKER_00]: get involved more you've seen Joanne Johnson continue to kind of be a safety valve and tied in for shook.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know what they're out look is I don't think they're a playoff team even next year, but they're they're not back.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It doesn't go so franchise on the injuries have been the issue the whole time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's like he's finally healthy and he's performing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's the number one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's open a lot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think he is a good one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He continues
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[SPEAKER_00]: the lions as a loser as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, they're on the playoff picture right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are eight and six.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not sure I would have thought that was really kind of where they were going to be at this point of the year.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think we both had our reservations of them running it back and being 15 and two because they had lost both their coordinators.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just as difficult to maintain that level of success.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They went in there and I thought, but it's almost text me, hey, look at the lions.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Going to win a game in LA, like, the lions might be a superbowl favorite now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then second half, they just struggled.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That third quarter was rough and they just kind of let the rams get in it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Rams ended up taking to the game over and win it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought that the lines didn't really have an answer for staff or even after the interception, the entire game.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm he threw still for 330 when it was all said and done a couple touchdowns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I do think that the Rams might be an honorable mention loser with devolved Hay Adams going down with that hamstring injury, especially down the stretch where they on Thursday night football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're going to play Seattle for number one seed and the division leader.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their goal line play was basically either fade or slant with Devontai Adams and Matthew Stafford's going to hit him with whatever.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This Lions team is just, their offense looks great defensively.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have too many reservations.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think at this point to say that they are legit, super, well, contenders.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that on paper right now, after Micah Parsons injury with the packers, they're the
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be the craziest thing if they got in that they could potentially win a couple games on the road they'd done it before and get to the Super Bowl.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, this is a team that we've had on here a lot that we don't want to have on here, but they deserve it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The Colts are...
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[SPEAKER_00]: massive loser this week because now they need help and they could have at least controlled somewhat of their destiny if they win that game in Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They had that game one and I just didn't deliver down the end and that's been the trademark of the Chris Ballard Chain Steik and Aera is teams just not being able to play winning football won't matter the most.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't get to stop there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They couldn't keep the the C-Ox out of the field goal range and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Now they are on the outside looking kind of where they've been last three weeks, but it's like they're really on the outside looking and now they need both the next three weeks look bleak they do I don't think that Philip Rivers left you a whole lot to be desired based on his performance on Sunday.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Alright Greg, biggest loser of the week, Michelle, I hope you're going to listen to this the Packers, where a massive loser this week, not because they're 9-4-1, not because they didn't go on the road and contend with the AFC's best, they lost their best player, and now I don't think they have any shot of winning the Super Bowl at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if they win a playoff game to be quite honest with you because I think Micah Parsons is that big of a game changer for them They traded their other best players for Micah Parsons.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The wide receiver room by committee is awesome I'm glad they've got 18 receivers that are all good quotes like wide receiver twos for the most part I think the culture I just see for them is better Regardless the the packers that's I don't know if I'll make playoff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I stuff to play the lines one more time
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[SPEAKER_00]: chance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, they're going to know why the backers are there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think so.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's the last playoff spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And less than less San Francisco really spotters or tires here at the end.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They they stopped to play Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They stopped play the Colts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They they drop a couple.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're at 10 wins right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's a race to 10 wins and 11 11 11's the doozy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's a situation where the the the bears if they lose out are the odd team out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: just with the schedule the way it's going to shake out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think these teams are enough to play each other.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In some capacity, some combination, they always have it set up to where you play divisional opponent be 18, standard for the NFL.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still that division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's three teams.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that could when I think the lines have probably made it to where wild cards they're best shot, but they could still
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[SPEAKER_00]: We'll see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But...
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[SPEAKER_00]: So wait, it goes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I thought the bears were winner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Why?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because they're 10-4, and they have, I think, solidified a playoff spot with three weeks left.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Let's say, lose out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: 11 wins gets you in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think, in both fields, 11 wins, you're safe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They just have to get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've got to win one out of three.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think lock themselves into a playoff spot.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see that probably happening with just the way the season has gone from.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've competed well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've played well against teams they needed to.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And this week was no different 31-3 victory over the Browns.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're happy with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've continued to, I think, exceed expectation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think Ben Johnson's culture has really said it in Caleb Williams has figured it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think for the most part in terms of being able to lead his team to victory.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's not an accurate passer, but they've won 10 games in spite of it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've continued to play well, big win for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Take care of the teams you need to take care of and you'll find a way to make it in the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Big, big Bears Packers game coming up with this huge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the chargers were a big winner, uh, because they're, I think in at this point, too, it's going to be really difficult for the cults, uh, kind of needed the chargers to lose these two games and kind of keep the, the cults have a, have a chance in with that last team, especially a team they have the head to head over.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's not happened.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The chargers have lucked out and having my homes, uh, blow was knee out there on that final drive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It kind of looked like the chiefs were going to march on the field to kick a field goal to go to overtime and anything and happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They get a big one and over time against the Eagles last week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you said it John Harball Coaching masterclass.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're doing just enough to win.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not doing anything more.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not playing great They're just kind of grinding wins out piece of things together.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We're a little bit injured It's by to be everything that's happened, but they're offensive line and Justin Herbert continues to figure it out They're not a team on the rise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not really a team on the decline.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think they're just kind of right there in the middle They're this isn't a Super Bowl winning team just
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[SPEAKER_00]: with the injury, but they're good enough to get there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I thought the ramps were a big winner because they get that win at home against Detroit and they continue to hold pace and for the number one seed, they have a huge matchup on Thursday night football against Seattle.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This picks a question.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I like that Thursday night football gets these good games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This one feels like it shouldn't be on Thursday night football.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this doesn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This feels like it won that shouldn't be done on short rest.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It shouldn't be done on a short game plan.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It should be on Sunday night football and pick another game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So late in the season, we're at the point where we're having Saturday NFL games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Let's just stop with the Thursday games this late in the year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The games are too valuable for three days of prep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I tend to agree with that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, when I was younger, I probably wouldn't have said that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as an older NFL fam, you can tell that these Thursday games are rushed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're not put together very well.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I would add the bucknears on your loser list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But it's a Thursday game.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's hard to tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I couldn't, if the Panthers win the bucks are losers, but the bucks still have the division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And they control their destiny now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Thursday night, it's hard to tell.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's a toss up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It eliminates, I think, a lot of the matchup advantage that some teams have because the game plans just simpler.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's really hard to install with only, you know, two days.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Basically of work prep work.
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[SPEAKER_00]: this is just one that I don't I don't like it a lot because I this is one that deserves the time to be you know an elite game and elite times law for the division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And potential number one seed huge that huge states in this one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean the difference between one seed and five seed is massive that I'm glad we're on the same page.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think it's as big
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[SPEAKER_01]: The potential is going to Foxboro Buffalo or Denver or Baltimore.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think going to Los Angeles is a scary.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think even going to Seattle is because of the weather factor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think in the AFC it's huge.
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[SPEAKER_01]: In the NFC I think we're going to see a little more, you know, Detroit winning on the road or a green bay winning a game on the road.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we're going to see some roadwinds in the NFC more than we are in the AFC.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, my number two is a roadwind and that's the Buffalo Bills or a big winner.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They get the opportunity to continue to play for the division.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They lose.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's over really for the most part.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're staring down the seven seed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're out of the playoffs.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's how big of a deal this was for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I still think there's too many weaknesses.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I get the Josh Allen reasoning.
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[SPEAKER_00]: aware of that because of how good he's been in the postseason.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I'm worried in a shootout, which is what I think this defense is going to be playing in most of the time in these playoff games.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Anything you have down on Josh to Josh Allen and Bo next and give me Josh Allen every.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have maybe said that three weeks ago, but boy, he looked awfully good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He played just the best game of his career.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's played the best games of his career the last like four weeks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's getting better The numbers may not, you know, necessarily reflect how good he's been for that team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just, you know, it's been so good It's it's the the conversation of everybody saying oh the the Broncos are winning in spite of O'Nix It's like well every time Bow Nix has had the chance to go win the game
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's done it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So how are you winning in spite of them?
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[SPEAKER_00]: There have been multiple games we've watched where it's like the defense kind of shoots the dead The end of the game and it's like, hey, got to have a quarterback go get one force and he's done that Is he Josh Allen?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, he's not Josh Allen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody is in that field of of a leap competitor a leap quarterback I'm well aware of that, but the difference is that margin is growing closer and I think week by week
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's who has the ball last, it's going to be one of the who has the ball last, who has the chance to go win it, I don't know, I just am worried that that defense is going to hold serve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Give me Joshua.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's funny that we mentioned this because the Broncos are the number one winner and they take control of the number one seeding the conference.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They get a huge win against the Packers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They were down nine points in the fourth quarter.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They come back and win it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just something about this team that you just can't put a pulse on.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It takes thread with Michelle talking about.
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[SPEAKER_00]: the Packers last night during some of the football and it's like we look for every reason to say well this team doesn't belong this team is a good enough this that and the other
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're 12 and 2.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're clearly good enough to belong.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They've clearly found the formula to win football games.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And regardless of what it looks like, it felt like last year when the chiefs were winning all those one score games, like it felt like full school that was always like a call here or a benefit of a play here that the chiefs were getting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the Broncos aren't really getting that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They're just winning these games.
19:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Say what you want about the Packers.
19:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Here's what I'll tell you.
19:31
[SPEAKER_00]: That fourth quarter came down to who's better quarterback wasn't, though, next was better during, during love.
19:35
[SPEAKER_00]: The next is better than Jordan Loverin.
19:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what it came down to.
19:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Jordan Love had a chance to go win the game.
19:41
[SPEAKER_00]: What to do with those two picks in the fourth quarter.
19:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Macbreaker and it's like that's an element of his game that he just always going to have whether Packers fans want to admit it and it's a difference between them being the two seed and one seed and then being the seven seed which is where they're sitting at right now.
19:56
[SPEAKER_00]: I've been high on the Broncos all year.
19:59
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a prediction I'm going to get right with him winning the division.
20:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Feel pretty good about it.
20:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Now they they have a
20:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm really surprised that Jacksonville didn't for game is not son of a football.
20:10
[SPEAKER_00]: That got flexed because that's a Jacksonville wins that game.
20:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Now they're right there in the number one seed conversation to come in at a complete left field.
20:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Didn't see that coming at all.
20:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I thought when they collapsed against Houston, that was it.
20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: How could you not?
20:30
[SPEAKER_00]: That was one of the worst classes we've seen in F.L.
20:32
[SPEAKER_00]: history.
20:32
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, where are we are eight and four?
20:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't lost a game since that.
20:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And I haven't been since that, too.
20:39
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I swore that if they lost that game, I never picked them again.
20:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You did.
20:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And, and it.
20:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Houston to Houston to win or to their huge winner.
20:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't put them there because I think like they were going to win that game.
20:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Sure.
20:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, but they're holding surf.
20:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Everybody in and everybody says, okay, well, let's wrong with the cults.
21:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Most years, eight and six, you're going to play off spot right now.
21:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I would say that 75% of years, eight and six at this moment,
21:12
[SPEAKER_00]: You're maybe the six or seven seed, but you're at least a playoff team.
21:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, what's the cult's problem?
21:17
[SPEAKER_00]: The cult's problem is they've been losing every game, and everyone else in the conference has been winning every game.
21:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's tough break, but hey, you got to go out and win to the games that you have in front of you, and the cult's haven't done that.
21:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And we'll hold the five tier first likely to win the Super Bowl 60 in the game.
21:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Greg, I think you're gonna love this slit.
21:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're gonna adore this list.
21:42
[SPEAKER_00]: There's gonna be one team you're gonna tell me's too low.
21:44
[SPEAKER_00]: They're all about five left.
21:46
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's five.
21:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's right.
21:48
[SPEAKER_00]: My fifth is the Texans because I think their defense is just that good and if they're Offensive's gonna be able to dominate the middle of the field.
21:54
[SPEAKER_00]: They did that Arizona game.
21:55
[SPEAKER_01]: They're gonna be awfully hard not going to be able to like they did nearers.
21:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that.
22:00
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree with that, but defense travels and I think they're kind of team that on the road.
22:04
[SPEAKER_00]: They can win games because their defense is just that good.
22:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Not a team they can.
22:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Especially not in that AFC.
22:10
[SPEAKER_00]: They're they're they've beaten the bills.
22:12
[SPEAKER_00]: They've beaten the jacks once.
22:14
[SPEAKER_00]: They have not played the Patriots.
22:16
[SPEAKER_00]: They have, they got beat in a tough one against Denver, but like still.
22:21
[SPEAKER_00]: They get to play the chargers.
22:22
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a big game form, but this team is that defense is just awfully incredible.
22:28
[SPEAKER_00]: No, not a contender.
22:29
[SPEAKER_00]: A team that moved down it, but it's still on the list.
22:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the sea hawks are clearly the one B to the Rams one, A.
22:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So we're having some doubts about say I'm Donald.
22:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just not very good.
22:42
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to get his bad defensive.
22:44
[SPEAKER_00]: He's just not very good.
22:46
[SPEAKER_00]: The cults showed the formula how to beat the sea hawks.
22:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Keep them off the field.
22:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't break in the red zone.
22:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Don't get me over the top, basically.
22:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of what has happened.
22:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I still hung over 100 yards against the cold, but it's like you wouldn't know that.
23:03
[SPEAKER_00]: If you watch the game, you wouldn't be like, oh, Jackson Spitz and Jick was got 120 yards.
23:08
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they did a good job of containing everybody.
23:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I just, I don't know, that team's not good enough to, I think, when the Super Bowl, especially if they play the Rams, I think they're good enough to get to the NFC championship, though.
23:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Even half of the gold play on the road, they're good on the road.
23:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I saved Arnold is a guy that I thought he'd give the cult to win and he almost did.
23:30
[SPEAKER_00]: They still deserve to be on the list.
23:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Number three's the bills.
23:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Too low.
23:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Only because of Josh out.
23:38
[SPEAKER_01]: We're on the understand your question.
23:39
[SPEAKER_00]: We're on the same lit.
23:40
[SPEAKER_00]: We're on the same playing field.
23:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess I'll just say my two's the Broncos because I think if they played, I, unlike you, I think you'd have another way around.
23:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I still think the both have something in that game.
23:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think they're number one because I think the Rams are just that good, and I think the Rams have, I still do, they're they scored 41 points on Lions, sure they gave up, but they want to shoot out and sometimes you just have to play football like that.
24:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Their defense is still awfully good.
24:08
[SPEAKER_00]: They still have Jared Versus, a game record.
24:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Maybe you just agree with me because of Josh on the bills.
24:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I just think there's there's too many teams in the AFC that can beat the bills.
24:27
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's only one team in the NFC that can beat the the rams and then the postseason.
24:32
[SPEAKER_00]: So I think that's why I have love above the bills right there too in the NFC North a lot alone could beat him.
24:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Could I
24:42
[SPEAKER_00]: The bill, there's a lot of 50 50s in the AFC where I don't know if it's more than maybe 55 45.
24:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're right.
24:49
[SPEAKER_00]: The Devontae Adams injury changes a lot.
24:52
[SPEAKER_00]: He's going to be back by the postseason would be my guess.
24:54
[SPEAKER_01]: In the team you left off, the team that's starting to meet look a little scary is the Eagles.
25:00
[SPEAKER_01]: They're starting to look a little scary to me and Jalen Carter might be the best player in the NFL who doesn't handle
25:07
[SPEAKER_00]: that raiders team so bad.
25:09
[SPEAKER_00]: I just can't put enough stock into that and that won't the thing the other game.
25:13
[SPEAKER_00]: There's just something there's a feeling about that team that just feels off and give them momentum is all I'm saying.
25:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're absolutely right.
25:21
[SPEAKER_01]: That good.
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I think you're absolutely right.
25:24
[SPEAKER_00]: For record keeping I would like to say that my first team out was the Patriots.
25:29
[SPEAKER_00]: My second team out is Jacksonville.
25:32
[SPEAKER_00]: My 13th
25:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Eagles at Buffalo on Saturday, December 28th.
25:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Big one of that one.
25:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Absolutely.
25:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Final thoughts.
25:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I think each week we've got just kind of been searching for answers in terms of what these teams are and trying to decipher and analyze a team in this game versus a team in this game.
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think we finally got to the point where we know kind of who's really good and who's okay.
26:04
[SPEAKER_00]: To me, the cult story is just disappointing from the standpoint of being 7-1 of having it all out in front of you, being the number one seed, and it's like, here we are at 8-6, and it's just all morale's lost.
26:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And we talked about it a little bit before they were in the five losers, but
26:26
[SPEAKER_00]: they're gonna have to make a tough decision.
26:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I think at some point whether they want to keep the Phil River story nice and sweet or go try to play winning football because what we saw on Sunday is not indicative of winning football.
26:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He's not scoring 20 points a game.
26:46
[SPEAKER_00]: Why, why do it?
26:47
[SPEAKER_00]: You Riley learned to play horrible in Jackson, but I just can't wrap my head around why this is the decision.
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: And everybody said, you know, the conversation of the teams are, you know, don't have backup codebacks that can have the computing and processing power that a guy like Philip Rivers has.
27:07
[SPEAKER_00]: And that's true.
27:09
[SPEAKER_00]: But like, why can't Philip Rivers help Riley Leonard?
27:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, hey, this is what you see.
27:14
[SPEAKER_00]: This is what we're checking to or this is what we think we should do in this, you know, sort of defensive set up.
27:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, you've got to find the combination of having Philip River's computing power with a guy that can actually deliver the ball and play winning football at the quarterback position and so far.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: What we saw in Seattle isn't indicative of that.
27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And now San Francisco is going to wick a tape on them.
27:38
[SPEAKER_00]: They have, they now have the key.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, there were still the wild card of what will Philip River's look like at 44 years old.
27:45
[SPEAKER_00]: What is he going to be?
27:46
[SPEAKER_00]: We know now.
27:47
[SPEAKER_00]: And other teams now do too, and you're going to be able to gain playing against that.
27:51
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought the cults could surprise, see how, because of the element of not knowing which filver was after five years look like, I don't think there's a snowball change in hell that if Philip Rivers plays this Monday, the cults are beating, 49ers, I just don't think so.
28:07
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll talk about that more later this week.
28:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, thanks so much.
28:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
28:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
28:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And, A, you're going to hear a bunch of excuses on why the coaching staff's horrible and Chris Ballard sucks.
28:17
[SPEAKER_00]: They're not who lost Sunday.
28:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's remember that.
28:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That just bad as they've been, the player soft to go win football games.
28:25
[SPEAKER_00]: They failed to do so.
28:34
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28:57
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