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Sean O'Connell Show - Full POD 5-11-26 · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 2: was a Utah Jazz fan, is a Utah Jazz fan,
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  Speaker 2: has ever thought about being a Utah Jazz fan. It
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the perfect exact result that you wanted, but it's
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  Speaker 2: oh so close. The NBA Draft lottery yields a number
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  Speaker 2: two overall pick for the Utah Jazz in a very
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  Speaker 2: very deep draft class, and you are within striking distance
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  Speaker 2: now of a franchise changing player. At least that's what
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  Speaker 2: we think, right. You talk to the pundits, you read
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  Speaker 2: the articles, you watch them play college hoops, and the
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  Speaker 2: guys at the top of this draft in that one, two, three,
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  Speaker 2: maybe even four and five range are all pretty darn
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  Speaker 2: good basketball players with incredible traits. And most importantly, you
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  Speaker 2: are going to be picking no lower than two, which
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  Speaker 2: means you don't have to figure out best player available,
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  Speaker 2: or do we go for someone that's a positional need.
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  Speaker 2: Do we really try to take a swing on a
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  Speaker 2: point guard? Here you get the best player available, not
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  Speaker 2: at five, not at six, not at seven, but at two.
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  Speaker 2: The Delta Center is being renovated inside the new look
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  Speaker 2: new Field building is going to coincide perfectly with a
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  Speaker 2: third year of Utah Mammoth Hockey, where you're now a
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  Speaker 2: playoff caliber team that expects to be a playoff caliber
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  Speaker 2: team moving forward, and the Utah Jazz turning the page
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  Speaker 2: to be an actual let's try this and maybe playoff
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  Speaker 2: or at least play in contender with hopefully I'm knocking
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  Speaker 2: on wood here a healthy roster that will include a
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  Speaker 2: top flight rookie that looks like either Darren Peterson, AJ Debantsa,
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  Speaker 2: maybe a Cam Boozer, and suddenly the pre draft evaluation
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  Speaker 2: of all these guys, you're really gonna go through it
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  Speaker 2: all with a fine tooth comb. I think the outcome
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  Speaker 2: is somewhat inevitable here for the Utah Jazz, but that'll
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  Speaker 2: be partially determined on what the Washington Wizards want to do,
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  Speaker 2: what the Washington Wizards are in love with, and the
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  Speaker 2: mock drafts have it, you know, kind of split but
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  Speaker 2: heavy lean towards AJ Debonsa at number one. Does that
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  Speaker 2: mean the Utah Jazz will have to if they want
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  Speaker 2: AJ Deboncea move up to number one. It appears that
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  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz fan base is split on the prospect
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  Speaker 2: of taking a swing on that. But that's what we're
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  Speaker 2: here for. That's what we're talking about. I put a
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  Speaker 2: poll out there at realo C Sports on Twitter last
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  Speaker 2: night with the Utah Jazz find a way end up
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  Speaker 2: drafting Aj Debonsa. One third of you say yes, two
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  Speaker 2: thirds of you say no. I believe that the Utah
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  Speaker 2: Jazz are going to do whatever it takes, barring just
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  Speaker 2: an absolute stone wall from Minnesota, or if not Minnesota,
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  Speaker 2: from Washington. And it appears, by the way the early
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  Speaker 2: explorations of these conversations, some people are reporting that Washington
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  Speaker 2: may be willing to move out of that number one spot.
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  Speaker 2: My belief is that the Utah Jazz are going to
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  Speaker 2: draft Aj Debonsa. That there's a ninety two percent plus
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  Speaker 2: chance that the Utah Jazz are either going to draft
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  Speaker 2: him at two with assurances and knowing that Washington wants
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  Speaker 2: to go with Darren Peterson at number one, or more
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  Speaker 2: likely that the Utah Jazz are going to trade up
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  Speaker 2: to get number one. Now why do I think that?
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  Speaker 2: Do I think AJ is significantly better than Darren Peterson?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he is better than Darren Peterson.
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  Speaker 2: AJ Debonsa doesn't have the same injury question marks, the
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  Speaker 2: same commitment question marks, the same attitude question marks that
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  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson has, and maybe he's getting rid of those
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  Speaker 2: all in these interviews and these pre draft meetings and
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  Speaker 2: things like that. But more importantly, more saliently, if you
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  Speaker 2: are the owner of a franchise, as Ryan Smith is,
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  Speaker 2: if you have created this vision in your own mind,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's realistic or not, that you can have your
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  Speaker 2: alma mater, your beloved college basketball program BYU, become a
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  Speaker 2: breeding ground of talent for your professional franchise. And you
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  Speaker 2: had two years ago, three years ago, decided, you know what,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to go this pie in the sky dream
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  Speaker 2: that this number one player in the country, this AJ
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  Speaker 2: Debonsa kid, this generational talent. He's not only going to
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  Speaker 2: end up at my school, and I'm going to pay
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  Speaker 2: for that. I'm going to bankroll that, or be an
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  Speaker 2: important part of bankrolling that. I'm going to help facilitate
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  Speaker 2: that by making sure that we have an NBA caliber
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  Speaker 2: coach at BYU, that Kevin Young and him have a
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  Speaker 2: good relationship. I'm going to do. I'm going to snowplow
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  Speaker 2: all the obstacles in front of getting Aj Debonsa to
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  Speaker 2: BYU and then may just maybe there's this little glimmer
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  Speaker 2: of hope in my eye that eventually he ends up
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  Speaker 2: in a Utah Jazz uniform. Because we're tanking, we're suffering,
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  Speaker 2: we're pushing ourselves all the way down to the bottom
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  Speaker 2: of the NBA standings. With potentially this young man, not
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  Speaker 2: just a good young man, not just a particular, like
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  Speaker 2: abstract concept of a great player in mind. With this
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  Speaker 2: particular guy in mind, now I have a relationship with him.
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  Speaker 2: I've already paid him money. I know his family. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I know exactly what he's going to be
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  Speaker 2: in the NBA. I know that he likes the state
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  Speaker 2: of Utah enough that we could potentially extend him after
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  Speaker 2: a rookie contract is over with minimal resistance. All signs
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  Speaker 2: for me point toward the Utah Jazz Organization doing whatever
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  Speaker 2: is necessary to draft AJ Debonsa. I don't think we
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  Speaker 2: need to complicate it with Hey, Darren Peterson might be
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  Speaker 2: a better fit. Hey, Darren Peterson might be kind of
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  Speaker 2: this Ace Bailey situation where he's a little bit misunderstood
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  Speaker 2: as a college player, and as soon as he gets
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  Speaker 2: to the NBA, that's his dream, that's what he's here for,
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  Speaker 2: and he's gonna be the consummate professional. He's gonna show up,
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  Speaker 2: he's gonna work, he's gonna develop, he's gonna be great.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that is the case for Darren Peterson. I
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  Speaker 2: really do. I hope that that young man ends up
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  Speaker 2: delivering on all the potential of his physical traits. But
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  Speaker 2: the owner of your team is already in love with
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  Speaker 2: Aj Debonca. He has already invested literally and figuratively in
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  Speaker 2: Aj Debonce's basketball future, and he is so tantalizingly close
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  Speaker 2: to being able to pick up a phone and call
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  Speaker 2: Aj Debonce and say, it's a dune deale, man, you're
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  Speaker 2: going number one and we have number one, Well we don't,
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  Speaker 2: you have number two. The only way to fully guarantee
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  Speaker 2: that you can get excuse me, that you can get
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  Speaker 2: Aj debatsa the only mad to make it an unequivocal,
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  Speaker 2: beyond a shadow of a doubt. That guy is in
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  Speaker 2: the jazz uniform and we are completing this weird, this
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  Speaker 2: mental picture. The only way to make that happen is
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  Speaker 2: by moving up a spot. Now, if you had lotteried
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  Speaker 2: out at number five, it's probably too big of a lift.
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  Speaker 2: It's probably too much of a sacrifice to leap frog
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  Speaker 2: all the way up to number one. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it would be reasonable. I don't think your fan base
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  Speaker 2: would support it. I don't think you could do it
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  Speaker 2: without compromising some of the draft or excuse me, some
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  Speaker 2: of the roster that you've already put together, some of
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  Speaker 2: the work that you've already done, some of the stuff
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  Speaker 2: that we're already like. Okay, I see what you're doing here,
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  Speaker 2: Ages Austin. I like what you've done with this trade
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  Speaker 2: eight trade. I like how you've developed a so far. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: I think we got some We're cooking with gas a
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  Speaker 2: little bit here. I don't think if you had to
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  Speaker 2: leap frog from even four all the way up to
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  Speaker 2: number one, that you could do it without sort of
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  Speaker 2: undermining some of what you've built already. I think this
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  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz Organization could get to number one from number
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  Speaker 2: two at a relatively low cost. And I say relatively
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  Speaker 2: because it is still going to be expensive. But if
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  Speaker 2: the dream has been aj Debonsa to the Utah Jazz
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  Speaker 2: via BYU. That's the pipeline. You can make it happen.
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  Speaker 2: And I think they're gonna do everything they can to
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  Speaker 2: make it happen. And I really, really really am curious
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  Speaker 2: to know if there's any level of friction or disagreement
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  Speaker 2: in that process between ownership and management, between the money
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  Speaker 2: guy and the basketball guys. It seems as though everyone
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  Speaker 2: has been pretty cohesive and in lockstep and like, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is what we want to have happened. They all
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  Speaker 2: speak so glowingly of one another. They all talk about
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  Speaker 2: pulling on the same rope. They all talk about the family,
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  Speaker 2: the culture, the leadership, the team. If Austin Inge actually
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  Speaker 2: likes Darren Peterson better and doesn't want to try to
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  Speaker 2: take a swing to jump up a spot, does the
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  Speaker 2: owner force it That has not been his mo as
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  Speaker 2: far as I'm aware, Or if they catch win that
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  Speaker 2: it's actually going to be the Wizards that fall in
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  Speaker 2: love with Darren Peterson and are going to take Darren
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  Speaker 2: Peterson and on Austin Inge and all the other basketball
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  Speaker 2: mines in the building are like, no, that's what we
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  Speaker 2: really need, that's what we really want. If you want
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  Speaker 2: to be a playoff team sooner than later. If you
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  Speaker 2: ever want to be a championship caliber team, that's the
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  Speaker 2: one we need. Can any convincing override the love of
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  Speaker 2: fair that already exists between ownership and Aj Debonsa? And
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  Speaker 2: I want to make it clear I'm in that same boat.
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  Speaker 2: I love what Aj Debonsa was and is was it
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  Speaker 2: BYU was as a top player in high school and
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  Speaker 2: is as a top prospect. He appears to be a
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  Speaker 2: guy who's doing everything as far as he can tell
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  Speaker 2: the right way. I think that is massively important for
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  Speaker 2: this Utah Jazz organization. I think that is as important. No,
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  Speaker 2: I think it's more important than top flight ceiling on talent.
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  Speaker 2: I think cultural fit here matters more than it does
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  Speaker 2: in other places. I think the ability to resign a player,
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  Speaker 2: especially if he starts to deliver on the promise that
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  Speaker 2: this top three, four or five guys in the draft
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  Speaker 2: are capable of, I think that's massively important because nobody
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  Speaker 2: else re signs with the Utah Jazz since John and Carr,
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  Speaker 2: all your best players have all loved you and left you,
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  Speaker 2: and Aj Debonsa is the one least likely to do
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  Speaker 2: exactly that. For me, that's worth trading up some draft capital.
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  Speaker 2: That's worth trading up a veteran player if you have to,
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  Speaker 2: that's worth trading to try to leap one spot up
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  Speaker 2: and get the guy who fits in Utah, who fits
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  Speaker 2: with your vision as ownership. And whether you think that
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  Speaker 2: AJ's not as good of a player as Darren Peterson
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  Speaker 2: or not, I think the right thing not the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: I think the reasonable thing as a fan is to
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  Speaker 2: expect that the guy who has laid out this vision,
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  Speaker 2: whether it's realistic or not, has laid out this vision,
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  Speaker 2: is going to pursue that vision. Ryan Smith seems to
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  Speaker 2: be putting this plan in place and it can actually happen.
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  Speaker 2: Do you know how unlikely that is in sports? In
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  Speaker 2: the pathway of modern sports? Oh? You know what, I
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  Speaker 2: really love, really, really really love this Diego Pavia kid.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna pay his way into Vanderbilt and then I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna make sure that my beloved franchise, the Denver Broncos,
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  Speaker 2: drafts him. You can't do it. Guys are not built
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  Speaker 2: this way. Either the player or the coach or the
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  Speaker 2: owner or somebody doesn't get it. Doesn't have the talent
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  Speaker 2: for it, doesn't have the vision for it, doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: the work ethic for it. Whatever. These types of like
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  Speaker 2: Cinderella hope Cinderella's not fairy tale stories, They're not even possible.
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  Speaker 2: Most of the time, when we're talking about an individual
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  Speaker 2: pathway from amateurism to professionalism and sports. How many guys
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  Speaker 2: have we seen grow up as a fan of a
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  Speaker 2: place end up playing for that place? Very few? How
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  Speaker 2: many times have you seen an owner, man, I really
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  Speaker 2: really wish that we could get this. I'm a Stanford
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  Speaker 2: guy that quarterbacks, a Stanford guy, I own a team now.
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  Speaker 2: I really would like to get that guy. It just
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  Speaker 2: is not the way it works out. And Ryan Smith
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  Speaker 2: is He's got it at his fingertips. The possibility of
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  Speaker 2: this dude that he has bankrolled through college, that has
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  Speaker 2: helped put his alma mater on a different echelon in respect,
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  Speaker 2: in conversation, in competition, in college basketball. That guy now
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  Speaker 2: could play for your professional franchise, and you're out there
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  Speaker 2: telling me you wouldn't make it happen at whatever cost.
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  Speaker 2: I think he's gonna do it. I think the Jazz
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  Speaker 2: are gonna do it through him. And I think Aja
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  Speaker 2: Bonce is going to be in a Utah Jazz uniform,
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  Speaker 2: and I, for one think that is great for the team,
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  Speaker 2: great for the state, great for the franchise, great for
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  Speaker 2: the future of what Utah Jazz basketball could be. Eight
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  Speaker 2: seven seven three five three zero seven. Tell me what
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  Speaker 2: you think about it. Tweet at me at real oc Sports.
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  Speaker 2: Go vote on the poll with the Utah Jazz find
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  Speaker 2: a way end up drafting aj Debon said James Peterson,
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  Speaker 2: our producer, has been patiently waiting. He's got some thoughts
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  Speaker 2: on this, James.
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  Speaker 3: What do you think you laid out such a beautiful
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  Speaker 3: thing there? O. See, the problem is is that would
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  Speaker 3: be the wrong move. That would be the absolute wrong move,
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  Speaker 3: because here's a flaw in what you're saying. You think
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  Speaker 3: that they that the price would not be very steep
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  Speaker 3: to move up one spot. The Wizards know all the
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  Speaker 3: Wizards know how desperate Ryan Smith may or may not
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  Speaker 3: be to make this happen.
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  Speaker 4: They will gouge the Jazz.
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  Speaker 3: They will ask for Lowry Markinen, they will ask for
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  Speaker 3: Walker Kessler, they will ask for Trey j not all three,
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  Speaker 3: but they'll ask for at least one of those guys.
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  Speaker 3: And that would be a terrible thing for the Jazz.
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  Speaker 3: To give up at this juncture. Also, they're probably gonna
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  Speaker 3: ask for at least they're gonna ask for multiple first
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  Speaker 3: round picks. I would not give up anything to draft
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  Speaker 3: a superstar when you can pick a superstar for free.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I That's the way I see this.
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  Speaker 3: You say, don't over complicate it with all of the
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  Speaker 3: will dare will Darren actually are the cramping things going
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  Speaker 3: to be long term concern? Is he actually going to
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  Speaker 3: be better than Aja de Bonsa? I think you're over
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  Speaker 3: complicating it by trying to move up one spot to
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  Speaker 3: when you can get a guy who's gonna be probably
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  Speaker 3: just as good, if not better, for free. I think
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  Speaker 3: you settle. You settle in with the number two pick.
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  Speaker 3: You make your calculation between Darren Peterson and Cam Boozer.
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  Speaker 3: I think the draw to draft Cam Boozer is gonna
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  Speaker 3: be strong because Carlos Boozer is in the front office.
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  Speaker 3: I think Darren Peterson is the right pick here. The
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  Speaker 3: only way that you should draft Ajda Bonza is if
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  Speaker 3: the Wizards decide not to draft Ajda Bonza at this juncture.
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  Speaker 2: In my opinion, so I think Darren Peterson is the
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  Speaker 2: only the only questionable pick that you could make here
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  Speaker 2: if the Wizards draft Aj, and they likely will if
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  Speaker 2: they stay at number one, right because they've started to
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  Speaker 2: rebuild themselves as well. Now they were not punished the
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  Speaker 2: same way the Utah Jazsworth of tanking after they've added
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  Speaker 2: some stars to their roster. I'm sure the Wizards are
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  Speaker 2: like man, I'd love to see what a lineup that
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  Speaker 2: features Trey Young and AJ Debanca and Anthony Davis and
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  Speaker 2: all these cats. I'd love to see what that looks like.
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  Speaker 2: They're they're celebrating. I've read the articles. They're celebrating in
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  Speaker 2: Washington over this, as they should. Now I've deliberately left
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  Speaker 2: out the Cam Boozer name. I Kingston Flemings is not
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  Speaker 2: a number two pick, so I'm gonna leave him out
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  Speaker 2: of the conversation. It's one of those three, like you said, Boozer.
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  Speaker 3: Caleb Wilson. Potentially Jazz are not gonna take him at too,
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  Speaker 3: but he's a he's a top three town as well.
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  Speaker 3: That the problem is there's top three talents in the draft,
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  Speaker 3: so that that guy well before Kingston Flemings in in
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  Speaker 3: like the talent gap. Flemings might go five, but as
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  Speaker 3: far as the talent gap goes it.
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  Speaker 4: Wilson's in there too.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I I'm with you, I think the jazz
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  Speaker 3: if I'm not, I'm afraid of what you just laid
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  Speaker 3: out that Ryan Smith is going to hear the angels say, Ryan,
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  Speaker 3: we don't need we don't need to do anything to
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  Speaker 3: move up to one. We're going to get a potential
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  Speaker 3: star at two. And he says, but do you know
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  Speaker 3: all that I did to get Aj here, Whatever it
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  Speaker 3: takes hit one.
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  Speaker 4: I'm afraid of that because I.
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  Speaker 2: Smith, he might not feel that way anymore.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe he doesn't.
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  Speaker 2: He might be like, yeah, dude, I like I love AJ.
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  Speaker 2: AJ did some good things for us at BYU, but
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  Speaker 2: AJ didn't carry this team to an Elite eight the
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  Speaker 2: way that I thought he was going to. So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: let's let's move on to something else. Maybe maybe, but
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  Speaker 2: I just don't. I mean, I'm I'm putting some of
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  Speaker 2: my own emotional thinking onto this process for the Utah
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  Speaker 2: Jazz right, And.
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  Speaker 3: I understand you and the BUYU fans in particular, and
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: and other jazz fans who who fall in love with
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: ajd Bonsa and the idea of hey, if man, if if.
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: Only he could come to the Utah Jazz.
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I myself have thought that way, but you have, Like
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: Danny Ainge said when he got here, I remove emotion
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: from any decision making I make Austin Age didn't say
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: that his press conference, but Ryan Smith at the press
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: conference that we both attended, you asked the famous question, right,
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: that's about tanking this year?
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Ryan Smith said.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: Which, which, by the way, he ultimately lied about. Yeah,
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: we probably knew. We probably knew. That's what that answer
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: was in all of its brevity, because you know, this
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: is the outcome they were looking for. You couldn't afford
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: to compete to try and ended up drafting number nine
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: in this year's draft. Because then, our conversation today is
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: drastically different. We're talking about how they have failed to
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: set the future up, how they have wasted Lowry Markinen's
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: best years for no reason at all. How they have
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: talked about, you know, trying to get back into playoff
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: contention and not being convinced that a top ten player
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: is capable of doing it. What you are laying out, James,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: is the general consensus around anyone in basketball who's been
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: following college basketball. People are looking at this draft class
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: and saying, well, if you're in the top three, maybe
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: even in the top four, maybe even in the top five,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: you're getting a guy with star potential, true all star,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: future all star, perhaps perennial All star potential. That's how
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: deep this draft is, according to the evaluators. Now, we
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: could be wrong about AJ and Darren Peterson and Cam
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Boozer and Caleb Wilson and everyone else. We could be right.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: It could be some second round Yahoo or a guy
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: down at twenty seven who emerges as the best of
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: all this class. That's happened a few times before, or.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: He likes to remind us of that every year, someone
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: late in the first round or in the second round
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: becomes an All star.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: And it's true, like in the case of like a
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: Nicola Jokicic who wasn't thought of at all heading into
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: his draft, right that player come becomes one of the
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: best in the world or the best in the world.
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: It could happen here. But the thought process of being like, hey,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: we're foolproof at one, at two, at three, because whoever
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: we get there is good or good enough or is
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: going to change our franchise, I think is not the
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: right way to evaluate this.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: I just think, don't. It's nothing's ever fool proof. The
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: reason I say it's the wrong move to move a
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: ton of assets and they're going the Wizards. If you
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: think the Wizards won, don't ask for a core player.
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: You're fooling yourself. They know, they know how much, whether
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: it's real at this point or not. They know how
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: much Ryan Smith may have emotionally invested into having a
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: j De Bonsa. They know that there's a perception of
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: that they're going to gouge you if you try to
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: take number one. You should not take that bait if
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: you're the Utah Jazz. But I'll say this too that
• 23:30
  Speaker 3: Ryan said at that press conference with Austin Age. He said,
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: when he was asked what's the like, what is the
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: hierarchy here? Ryan said, Austin Austin and Danny Austin has
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: has full decision making. Danny has has a part in
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: that too through me.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: That's meaning he wants to say they advise him and
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: he respects their opinion. Yeah, and he he takes their
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: expertise into consideration. And I believe it, even though you
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: know Ryan Smith like some I don't. I don't believe
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: Ryan Smith has the same blind spots that a lot
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: of owners do. I don't think he's as detached from
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: his fan base or from reality as a lot of
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: owners are. I really think that he's like a man,
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: a man of the people, so to speak. But he's
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: also a guy who has very in my opinion, has
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: very clearly laid out this plan. I I need.
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: It so much risk to make it, to make it happen.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: At this point, I.
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Only need one thing from like I need one truth
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: serum answer from Ryan Smith to determine to be the
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: ultimate determined whether or not I think the Utah Jazz
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: whether or not they should as a different conversation, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: whether or not the Utah Jazz will do everything in
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: their power to draft AJ DEBOTSA. The only truth serum
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: question I need to ask Ryan Smith is did you
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: get what you paid for out of a j AT
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: And if the answer to that question is yes, if
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: they are fully satisfied customers with that entire transaction. And
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: by the way, he wasn't the only person supporting AJ
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: Debonce's and il deals at BYU. But let's just say,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: because he's the only one of those individuals who is
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: the owner of the Utah Jazz. We get to sit
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: him down, we get to put the you know, number
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: one police detective in front of him, We get to
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: inject his veins with the truth serum. We get to
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: put that hot light on him, and we get to say,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: are you satisfied with what Aj Debonsa did at BYU?
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: Do you blame Aj in any way for BYU's underperformance?
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: And if he can tell you yes, I'm satisfied. No,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I do not blame Aj. Aj is the player we
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: thought he was going to be. Aj is the guy.
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: I think that this team is going to take a
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: swing and short of acquiescing to trading away a core player.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: And by the way, when I talk about core players,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I'm only talking about Lowry Markinen and Jaron Jackson Junior
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: and Ace Bailey, I think that everyone else would be
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: up for grabs for the Wizards. I think that if
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: they love the development of Kiante George, you might be
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: able to get Keyante George. If you like what Walker
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Kessler can do for you, I think you might be
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: able to get Walker Kessler. And that makes me a
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: lot less of a fan of this idea. By the way,
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: if it's only draft capital if you can negotiate, because
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: the Ages are famous for this, if they can negotiate
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: down to a place where it's a value proposition that
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: the rest of the league maybe doesn't agree with. But
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: the Ages pull a fast one again, and all you're
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: giving up is future question marks in order to get
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: this certainty. Absolutely, that's a good trade, as expensive as
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: it could be. Three future first rounders. Fine, this is
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: the draft where you're supposed to be getting a generational talent.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Go for it right now. The only one that I
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: have a question about in that top three, let's say
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: they stay at number two, is Darren Peterson. I know
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: that he's the best positional fit. I know that there
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: are a lot of people out there that are saying, oh, absolutely,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: this guy is the best player in this draft. But
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: we don't have questions about aj Debonsa, and we don't
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: have questions about Cam Boozer. Darren Peterson is the one
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: you have questions about. And maybe they're unfair, and maybe
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: they're unwarranted, but they are questions. If you drafted Cam
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Boozer at number two, the Utah Jazz fan base would
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: be like, all right, sweet, we get another Boozer, all right? Cool,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: he's likely or more likely to sign a second contract
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: here that actually makes sense. AJ have already made that,
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: and you probably end up you probably will. The most
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: likely outcome is you get Darren Peterson at number two. Right,
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: all of us are holding our breath for four years.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: Everyone in that new gondola seating at the Delta Center,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: you're watching from this bird's eye view and you're like, Wow,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: look how cool this spaceship seat I'm in is, and
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: you're going, Man, Darren Peterson, look, I'm so happy he's
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: been healthy. I'm so happy that he got a better
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: crea tee, and I'm so glad he's not cramping anymore.
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: And even if in the best case scenario, you're like,
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: does he like it here? Will he ever like it here?
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: If he wins here, is he gonna do what Donovan
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: Mitchell did, what Gordon Hayward did, what Darren Williams ended
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: up doing, Like are we going to love him and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: have him leave? That's my number one concern about that
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: number two pick, because from a basketball standpoint, I don't
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: think there'll be any question that you've got a talented
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: enough player at two to make it make sense. In
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson. The value is there, but for how long
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: and how healthy and how committed and how dedicated and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: how everything else. You don't have those questions about the
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: other guys.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Let me ask you this though. Oh see, it's just
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: going in the just going in the vein of like,
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: do you should you try to trade up for the
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: for your guy that you that you want the most
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: Ajdapontsa Right.
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: Let's say Paris RV sale.
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: You were at what two weeks ago, Yeah, the the
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: owner and operator. He went on and told you some
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: of these used RVs are like they still have the
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: rapping on it, Like, these are not. I'm not sure
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: these are actually used that, but they're you know, we're
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: giving you a used price on it. So so let's
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: say because you hit it off so well with with
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: the with Paris RV, let's say he's like, I will
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: give you one of I will give you one of
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: these RVs just it's it's technically used, but the wrapping
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: still on it. It's new. I'll give you that for
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: free because we're such good friends. Or you're like, you
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: know what, there's the same one that I can buy
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: for twenty five thousand dollars at a different place. There's
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: no way you'd be like I want to. I want
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: to pay money for the for the thing that I
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: can get for free.
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: That's why I.
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: Talk You're getting it, but it's not. But I'm not
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: buying the same one. I'm buying one I like better.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: I'm buying one lightly better. I'm buying one that's slightly figure.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: And then I have fewer questions about reliability on right.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: I have a lot more peace of mind on that one.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: And it is maybe twenty five percent more expensive for
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: twenty five thousand dollars more or whatever. And that all
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: comes down to how much do I have, right, If
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: I have the money to buy the thing that I
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: think is better, that I have a relationship with, that
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: I have fallen in love with, that is the color
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: that I want, right, it's got that cool like two
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: tone sparkle paint on my RV whatever. As long as
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I got the money, James, Absolutely, I'm paying the extra
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: twenty five thousand. If I'm a billionaire or a millionaire,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: and that doesn't mean a ton to me, or even
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: if I'm like, you know, just a happy, healthy six
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: figures kind of guy, and I'm like, yeah, you know, what.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: It's a little bit of a stretch, but it's something
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: that I think is going to pay off for me
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: in the end. Absolutely, yes, I am paying the bigger
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: price at the other Paris RV locked. I just am
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: because this is how consumerism works. If all of us
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: were just in love with the most practical cars out there,
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: the one that makes the most sense financially and from
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: a maintenance standpoint, everyone in the world to be I've
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: in Toyota Camrays around you would see no g wagons
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: on the road. There would be no such thing as
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: a sports car. But when you got a little bit
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: extra and you fall in love with the idea of something.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Ryan Smith, probably this is a perfect acknowledgy. James, I'm
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: glad you brought this up. I bet you one thousand dollars.
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Ryan Smith has a car in a garage somewhere that
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: he loves just because he loves it, doesn't make sense.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Is a gas guzzler, Probably terrible with maintenance. Maybe he
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: drives it three times a year. He's not exactly getting
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: the use out of it. But he bought it because
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: twenty one year old or eighteen year old or fourteen
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: year old Ryan Smith had a poster of it on
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: his wall and said, when I make it big, I'm
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: gonna buy that car. And I bet you he owns
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: that car today because he can. AJ DEBOTSA is the
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: equivalent of that. I want that guy. I'm gonna get
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: that guy to my school, and I'm gonna get that
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: guy to my franchise, and I kind of don't care
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: how much it costs me. That's why I think AJ
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: ends up being in jazz uniform.
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: I really hope they're not listening to you when they
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: make the decision. I'll just leave it at that. It
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: would be the absolute wrong move. Even if Darren Peterson
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: doesn't end up being good. You risk nothing by taking
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: a guy who could possibly be.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: As now you're saying. Now you're saying, I'm okay, even
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: if Darren Peterson ends up not being good from the
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: risk number two pick.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: From the risk standpoint, I am.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: Oh.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: See, if if you trade, if you trade a core
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: player and three or four first round picks, that's way
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: worse than A than Darren Peterson not not working out.
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: That's way worse.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't I don't think it's gonna cost that
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: much to move.
• 33:49
  Speaker 4: Up the Wizards are gonna gougeum. Why wouldn't they?
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: Well, I think they'll do their best to gougeum. But
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: in this draft one pick, I just don't think that
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: the Jazz will go for that. I don't think that
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: I think that there's a threshold. It's probably three picks.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: It's probably a borderline core player. I don't think you're
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: really at risk of losing a lowry marken in here.
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: You know what, We'll see what Craig Bowler Jack thinks
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: about it. The television voice of the Utah Jazz, I'm sure,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: was just as thrilled as the rest of us to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: see their name come up at number two in yesterday's
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: NBA Draft lottery. So what's the calculus like for Bowler?
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: We'll find out in three minutes on The Shaan O'Connell Show,
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: ESPN seven hundred and ninety two. One ff.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: You tune's The Sean O'Connell Show from the Murdoch Chevrolet
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: Studio of ESPN seven hundred at ninety two one half
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: m All.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Right, welcome back to the show. O'Connell show. Welcome in
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Greg Bohler, Jack, voice of the Jazz broadcasting legend Pops
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: insider Craig Bowler, Jack, welcome back to the program. How
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: are you, sir?
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: Hey, oc im Oyl, How you been?
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: Oh man, I'm pumped, like I think a lot of
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: people in this jazz sphere of influence are pumped right
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: now because Mother's Day gift to all the jazz mothers
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: out there and to all the jazz mothers that are
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: attached to degenerate jazz fans that were just hoping and
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: praying and wishing that the draft lottery would yield a
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: positive outcome for this beloved franchise in Salt Lake City.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: And it is not pick number one, but it is
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: close enough. It's pick number two in a very deep
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: draft that belongs now to the Utah Jazz. Your initial
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: reaction when you heard the.
• 35:56
  Speaker 6: News, Well, I said down like I did a year
• 35:59
  Speaker 6: ago when the Jazz had the seventeen win record, worst
• 36:04
  Speaker 6: in the NBA like the Washington Wizards who had seventeen
• 36:08
  Speaker 6: this year, And I thought, okay, let's go with the odds.
• 36:11
  Speaker 6: The best I was expecting was maybe a five spot.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: And then when they bypassed that and they realize and
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: I realize that Jazz are going to move in to
• 36:19
  Speaker 6: the top four, then top three. I go, wow, this
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: is definitely a franchise changer.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: O see.
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: I mean this is the first time the Lottery has
• 36:29
  Speaker 6: treated the Jazz positively. You move to two and there
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: are multiple options that are on the table for Austin Ainge,
• 36:39
  Speaker 6: Danny Ryan, and Justin Zanik. It's exciting, you know, I
• 36:44
  Speaker 6: tell you the last three years, I'll be honest, it's
• 36:46
  Speaker 6: a challenge to call games. What do you don't know
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: who's going to play? A couple ten day contract guys
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: come and go and you just have to adjust the
• 36:57
  Speaker 6: best you can. But you know, Jazz fans stayed with it,
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: and now the reward comes. Health will be number one
• 37:03
  Speaker 6: for this entire group. Like it is you know, each
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: and every year, each and every game. But man, it's exciting.
• 37:10
  Speaker 6: There's a lot of possibilities here. Assets that the Jazz
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: do have.
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Do they use those.
• 37:15
  Speaker 6: To improve their status?
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: To one?
• 37:19
  Speaker 6: The Wizards are an interesting group because they use their
• 37:22
  Speaker 6: six pick. Remember last year on Trey Johnson. They already
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: have another point guard and Trey Young. Johnson's the two
• 37:29
  Speaker 6: and Trey's the one. But what do they do and
• 37:33
  Speaker 6: what are they seeking? How close are they like the
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: Jazz and the rebuild the Jazz are much ahead. I
• 37:39
  Speaker 6: think you'll agree, and so that's part of the whole.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: I'd say it.
• 37:44
  Speaker 6: Just the questions and the excitement and the possibilities are
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: endless out there, depending on what you know. The front office,
• 37:53
  Speaker 6: which I always love to say, is beyond anyone's pay
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: grade except those guys on what they're actually going to do,
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: because they do have a lot of options, they really do.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: I agree with you, and I'm fascinated by the idea
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: that you just mentioned, the possibility to improve from two
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: to one, and it feels like for me, the obvious
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: reason to do that would be to get AJ Debonsa.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: And this is further fascinating and more complicated because there's
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: already a relationship with the owner and governor of the
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz and AJ Debonsa, like Ryan was instrumental in
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: getting AJ to go to BYU and helping him to
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: be what he is now. From an athlete perspective, from
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: a professional perspective, from an endorser perspective, it feels like
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: that relationship is pretty important in this particular decision making process.
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: But I also don't want to put it out there.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: I think that Ryan Smith is going to put his
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: thumb down on brilliant basketball minds like the Angels and say, no,
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: you do what I say. You get me this guy
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: at all costs. I don't think that's the way he's
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: things up to this point. So I'm curious what that negotiation,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: that conversation looks like in the front office. And you're right,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: it's above my pay grade certainly, But it's not like
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: it's three great players at the top, none of whom
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: have any relationship with the State of Utah, with the
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz at all. It's Carlos Boozer's son. It's a
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: guy who doesn't have any relationship with the state or
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the franchise. And it's a guy who they've already like
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: laid a path for to come through byu to the
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz. It feels like those are significant things in
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: this decision making process.
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the most important thing is you can't
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: get so excited about the possibility that you overpay that
• 39:48
  Speaker 6: you jump into the three year to four year rebuild
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: and gosh, oh see everything this fan base has gone through.
• 39:57
  Speaker 6: It has to be a solid decision. You know, the
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: assets that you have developed I think are uber important
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: to discuss here. The kyantes Ace will be in his
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: second year, Walker coming off shoulder if they choose to
• 40:13
  Speaker 6: match whatever money that has offered him in the restricted
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: free agent market.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: You got Triple J.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: In the house.
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: Now you have a bry sense of Baw who has
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: developed and shown that he can be a sixth man
• 40:27
  Speaker 6: type score. You know, Cody and Flipp would be question
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: marks depending on what they do and are those assets.
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: You have a conchar who is just everywhere, hands in
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: every passing a lane, a defender who came over in
• 40:41
  Speaker 6: the trade with Triple J. So, man, we could talk
• 40:44
  Speaker 6: and talk about all the assets the Jazz have and
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: what they've built and the agony at times that it's
• 40:51
  Speaker 6: taken to.
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: Get to this point.
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: So this decision whether to stay at two or or
• 40:57
  Speaker 6: try to approach the Wizards. But then what does Washington
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: really want? Like I just said, They've got guard play
• 41:05
  Speaker 6: that they spent obviously their six pick on and Trey
• 41:09
  Speaker 6: Trey Johnson, and then they could obviously help themselves with AJ.
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: They could go Darren Peterson, who is you know, is
• 41:18
  Speaker 6: highly thought of, but again there's some concerns pulling himself
• 41:22
  Speaker 6: out of games, the cramping, all the above. I think
• 41:25
  Speaker 6: the interview process OC for the Jazz may be one
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: of the most intriguing parts because if they decide to
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: move on and stay at two and Peterson Boozer or
• 41:37
  Speaker 6: Caleb Wilson is out there too, who is just a
• 41:41
  Speaker 6: beast on both ends of the floor, there's four really strong, strong,
• 41:44
  Speaker 6: franchise changing players in this whole mix, and so I
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: think it depends. I've asked the front office personnel multiple
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: times and it's kind of the same answer I get
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: with even Scottie Layden in the day, and and you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: Dennis Lindsey, Kevin O'Connor. They always say they go for
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: the best athlete, the best possible player they can put
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: their hands on, not necessarily position unless you just have
• 42:11
  Speaker 6: an absolute gaping hole like maybe Memphis does with a
• 42:15
  Speaker 6: John Moran situation. But it's really intriguing. You know, how
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: it ends up on draft night is anybody's guests. But
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: there are really some high level players that are going
• 42:26
  Speaker 6: to help this franchise, and you know what, they're on
• 42:28
  Speaker 6: the cusp of just making a turn, much like Detroit did,
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: and look where they are now two years ago and
• 42:35
  Speaker 6: they can make a jump fast. I think the Jazz
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: are in that same category.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: I do Greg Weller Jack our guests here on the
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Shoan O'Connell show talking about the Utah Jazz and their
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: number two draft pick just obtained in yesterday's NBA Draft lottery.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: How much consideration goes into the possibility of signing re
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: signing a guy after he's done with his rookie contract.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It's it seems more likely, and again I'm just prognosticating.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I don't have any real knowledge here. It seems more
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: likely that aj Debonsa would be willing to reside with
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: the Jazz. He already knows the state, he already seems
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: to like it. Here, it seems more likely, Yeah, that
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: a cam boozer who has a relationship with the state
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: and whose dad works in the organization is more likely
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to re sign here. Is that something that the front
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: office even should be considering with this draft pick. That's
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: a good question.
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: You know. The Jazz, remember with Donovan made it clear.
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: I think he wanted to exit. That was a tough
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: time too. COVID turned everybody upside down and relationships restrained.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: I get it.
• 43:45
  Speaker 6: You know, d Will and Booze, both departed, Both have
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: said publicly they should have stayed. You know, I tell you.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Oh see, It's interesting, isn't it When you're nineteen eighteen,
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: nineteen twenty and agents think that you know, they're going
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: to sign you these multi you know, year contracts for
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: shoes and other endorsements and quote bigger, larger cities. You know,
• 44:09
  Speaker 6: it all sounds nice and good, but you know, an
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: injury here ask Gordon Hayward right in Boston. You can't predict.
• 44:18
  Speaker 6: I think that's why the interview process is so important
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: to know just the growth who they are. Do they
• 44:26
  Speaker 6: know who they are? You know? How solid are they?
• 44:30
  Speaker 6: I mean Keyante. I got to give him a lot
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: of credit to kind of look inside himself last summer
• 44:35
  Speaker 6: and really dive in deep and comes back more polished
• 44:39
  Speaker 6: as a professional, more comfortable within his own skin. I
• 44:43
  Speaker 6: really got to praise him for doing that.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: It's hard to do.
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: And I think as this league gets younger and younger,
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: those interviews and knowing who you're getting because the investment
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: OC is so big, and the point is after the
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: rookie contract and you've put all the effort and money
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: into develop being the player. Then you have to stand
• 45:02
  Speaker 6: back and say see you, and you may not get
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: a return by the way I e. Gordon Hayward. And
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: so I think that this whole process about mental health
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: maturity eighteen nineteen, making the transition from a college to
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: a professional player in a man's world. Man, it plays big,
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: and I'm sure the process is, you know, shortly, if
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: not already underway for the Jazz to evaluate and get
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: a chance, you know, during the combines to kind of
• 45:34
  Speaker 6: you know, just go ahead and you know, get an
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: opportunity to get to know these players even better. Darren Peterson,
• 45:41
  Speaker 6: I mean that kid can play. Let's be honest. I
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: mean the film they've shown recently. In a few games,
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: I saw this past past winner unbelievable. Boozer statistically is unreal.
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: Aj out of site led the league, led the nation
• 45:56
  Speaker 6: and scoring and Caleb Wilson, I meant the chart on
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: just being a two way beast, I mean offensively and defensively.
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: And I think that's the other thing, OH see is
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: that the Jazz have preached and say they build to
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: play for this team to stay on this roster, what
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: do you have to do? Got to play? D So
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: I think that's going to come into the equation bigger
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: than we may think I really do.
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: When we're looking at the way that this team already
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: has its core in place and wants to add with
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: this number two pick, the assumption is the top of
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: this draft is deep enough that whoever it is, Darren Peterson,
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: Cam Boozer, Aj Debonsa, they're going to come in and
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: they're going to be a Day one, immediate starter in
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: the NBA, immediate developing star in the NBA. Let's pretend
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: Bowler that whoever it is, it takes a little bit
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: longer to get rolling, and that you just have the
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: core that's already together, right and they're not taking they're
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: not resting, they're not doing random surgeries. But you've got Walker,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: and you've got Trey j and you've got Lowry, and
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: you've got Keyonte, and you've got Ace Bailey and maybe
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: a rookie that's taken a little bit longer to come together.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: What the Jazz have already pre draft all of them
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: on the floor together. Are they enough to start this
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: leap forward and maybe get back at least into a
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: play in even if the draft pick doesn't work out
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: or takes some time to develop.
• 47:30
  Speaker 6: I mean on paper, yeah, I think the excitement level
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: is you know, I'm again, I'm just doing a survey
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: at the end of the season with guys that I
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: trust around the league. You know, broadcasters who know the
• 47:43
  Speaker 6: West especially, Yeah, they all believe the Jazz are a
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: play in and above and again it all comes into
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: play oc about health and you know, you see who
• 47:55
  Speaker 6: gets knocked out of a playoff series or right now
• 47:58
  Speaker 6: stumbling with injury. How big it is with just one player,
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: how do you survive? It's depth, right, It's depth, and
• 48:05
  Speaker 6: the Jazz are building that depth. Bryce Flip, Isaiah Conshark,
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: do you keep nerk?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Do you keep k Love?
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: I mean, all those things are going to come into
• 48:14
  Speaker 6: play on how far the Jazz can actually move through
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: the through the Western Conference with most of the nights,
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: it's a buzzsaw, especially with Oka Se and San Antonio.
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: They're not going anywhere and they're young still and Okay
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: SE's got a chance to go back to back as
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: NBA champs, and right behind is a guy named Wimba
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: and Yama uh and the San Antonio Spurs. Can the
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: Jazz join that elite group? They sure hope so uh,
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: you know, it's been a while since the Jazz have
• 48:42
  Speaker 6: been elite in the West. Guys like stocking them alone.
• 48:46
  Speaker 6: But now you have new names that you know, everything's cyclical, right,
• 48:50
  Speaker 6: Is that the Jazz turn again? You have to hope
• 48:52
  Speaker 6: you get a number two pick, and this one you
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: got to make right, you know, And you make a
• 48:58
  Speaker 6: great point. You know, they built for this and they
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: have some established vets and young players they've developed. Is
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: there pressure for aj or Peterson or Boozer or Caleb
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: Wilson or anyone else they may decide to pick a
• 49:15
  Speaker 6: Cuff is another name that's you know, always in the
• 49:18
  Speaker 6: top five or six. You know, do you have to
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: rush him? I mean last year Ace, you know, Ace
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: was thick early, remember in the season. Then he had
• 49:28
  Speaker 6: the hamstring that he had to work through. So it
• 49:31
  Speaker 6: wasn't an easy transition. But what we liked, what the
• 49:34
  Speaker 6: Jazz liked about Ace was his ability to fight through
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: that mental toughness and still continued to develop and got
• 49:42
  Speaker 6: himself into the starting position. But it was also by attrition, right,
• 49:47
  Speaker 6: because the Jazz you know, had to make sure they
• 49:50
  Speaker 6: were in a position to do what they did. And
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: that's the grab a top three spot. It happens to
• 49:55
  Speaker 6: be number two. But I don't think there's a lot
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: of pressure on the rookie whoever they pick, to be
• 50:00
  Speaker 6: an immediate impact, because I think there are pieces in
• 50:03
  Speaker 6: place that will allow him ten fifteen games to say, okay,
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: get comfortable, understand, and then make your move, and then
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: they have to make some roster decisions. But you see,
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: as I ramble here, I think what Will has talked
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: to me about is that the and he's talked to
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: all the media, but I mean just it's the options
• 50:25
  Speaker 6: that he has now for the first time in what
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: will be his fifth year with the Utah Jazz. He
• 50:31
  Speaker 6: can go big, he can go small, he can use speed,
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: he can go off ball with Key and let Isaiah
• 50:38
  Speaker 6: do his thing. There's so many options and this number
• 50:43
  Speaker 6: two pick will only add to that. And that's what
• 50:46
  Speaker 6: I think is the most intriguing and exciting thing about
• 50:49
  Speaker 6: what the Jazz have.
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: Before I let you go the uh you mentioned Victor Wenbinyama.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: The Spurs saw a different siding him, a little bit
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: angry or ejected. Victor Winbinyell man a series that's now
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: tighter than I think a lot of people thought it
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: would be what's going to happen in that Minnesota San
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: Antonio series?
• 51:11
  Speaker 6: Minnesota is a surprise, man, I'm there, gritty, They just
• 51:16
  Speaker 6: keep coming ants back. Rudy's played really some great you know,
• 51:21
  Speaker 6: postseason defense. Mike Conley chips in what he can and
• 51:26
  Speaker 6: what is he thirty seven going on thirty eight. He's
• 51:30
  Speaker 6: just never ending time machine like Lebron. But the Lakers
• 51:34
  Speaker 6: run is about done from my from my standpoint, but
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: you know, it's it's gonna be interesting to see if Victor,
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: you know, young talented, but that one was surprising, surprising. No, See,
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: he got a little loose, didn't he. And I'd say
• 51:52
  Speaker 6: it was a high chin music and it wasn't just.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: A soft touch. That was like a.
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: Muhammad Ali knockout, you know, right on the chin. And
• 52:00
  Speaker 6: so that's kind of a message too from the league
• 52:02
  Speaker 6: to Victor, and we'll see how he responds. But this
• 52:05
  Speaker 6: has been good playoffs series. There's been some good hoop intense,
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: you know, New York seems to finally right at the
• 52:12
  Speaker 6: ship a bit. Brunton's tough man. That guy is just
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: a tough guy for his size, and you have to
• 52:17
  Speaker 6: have those special talents to play in this league as
• 52:20
  Speaker 6: a six footer and he's got him and Oklahoma City
• 52:23
  Speaker 6: still see you know, you saw what I saw Still
• 52:26
  Speaker 6: I think the elite the elite team in the NBA.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been fun to watch this. I don't know
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: if anyone's gonna be able to knock off the Thunder,
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: but that's why we play the games, and we will
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: continue to watch him, and soon enough you'll hear Craig
• 52:42
  Speaker 2: Bowler jack on Jazz Basketball with a much more interesting
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and exciting outlook on the future of this franchise. Wow,
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: I bet you're looking forward to that Bowler calling games
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: for a team must try to win again next time?
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: Oh three years is you know, we kind of just
• 52:59
  Speaker 6: as my dad all said, go plow the field. That's
• 53:01
  Speaker 6: what we tried to do, and you know, watch the
• 53:04
  Speaker 6: young players grow. They did, and you know what, I
• 53:07
  Speaker 6: think the fans ought to get a tip of the hat.
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: They stayed with it. I mean, Delta Center was pretty
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: much you know, packed in every night to see what
• 53:16
  Speaker 6: the Jazz, who they were, who they brought in, who
• 53:19
  Speaker 6: was making the strides to be a part of this roster.
• 53:23
  Speaker 6: They saw it, they grew, they watched these players grow
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: and you know, for me, yeah, calling games with talent,
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: high level talent like a triple J and a marketing
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: and what Walker can do as a defensive player at
• 53:38
  Speaker 6: the rim with his right and left hand, I mean
• 53:41
  Speaker 6: that's exciting. And watching Key and Ace, Wow, Yeah, it
• 53:45
  Speaker 6: makes everyone's job easier when you can talk about winning
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: and the positive things on the floor and I can't wait.
• 53:53
  Speaker 6: It's going to be fun and you know, you just
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: hope again that health stays with the Jazz, but also
• 53:59
  Speaker 6: they build that they could take take a hit if
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: necessary with an injury, which is going to happen to
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: what degree you never know. But like Oklahoma City and
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: when Boston won the championship nearly three years ago, now,
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: it was all because of depth and defense. And Oklahoma
• 54:19
  Speaker 6: City is deep and they play in your face d
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: and the Jazz, you know what, they're trying to get
• 54:24
  Speaker 6: to that same level. But I think the depth part
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: is what gets you through the tough times when you
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: can put a sixth, seventh or eighth player on the
• 54:32
  Speaker 6: floor fill the gap until your starter comes back. And
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: I think the Jazz on the cusp of that too.
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: Bowler, I always appreciate your time and your perspective. My friend,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for hopping on today. We'll chat
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: again soon.
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: You bet take care of have a great one.
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: That is Craig Bowler, jack voice of the Utah Jazz.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: He's a legend. You've heard him calling plenty of games
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: and he will be calling games that actually matter next year. Hey,
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  Speaker 2: Hopefully all the mothers out there had a great Mother's Day.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: The biggest news in the local sporting world is, of course,
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz getting the number two pick in the
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: upcoming NBA Draft. The draft lottery played out in a
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: way that favored the Utah Jazz. No, they didn't win it,
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: They've never won it, they probably never will win it.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: But it played out in the way that favored the
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Utah Jazz more than than anyone basically than anyone expected.
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: Or there's a lot of these next what we're about
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: forty days away from when the draft itself actually happens,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: These next couple of weeks here, these next several weeks
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: here are going to be filled with people dissecting interviews
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: and evaluating facial expressions and lip reading and all this
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: crazy stuff. And that is just part of the nature
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: of the beast right finding out all the things to
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: not like about Darren Peterson, all the things to not
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: like about Camboos, or all the things to not like
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: about aj De Bonsa. I saw we had an interesting
• 58:38
  Speaker 2: question come in on Twitter, and I think It's worth
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: addressing because there is no way to know what the
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: camp of a player is actually thinking or feeling, what
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: the parents are saying, what the agent is saying, what
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: the trusted high school or college coach is saying. And
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: there is an assumption, and I'm caring this assumption. I'm
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: perpetuating this assumption. So I'm complicit here. There's an assumption
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: that Aj Debonsa and to some degree Cam Boozer are
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: would be more loyal to Utah than Darren Peterson will be,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: or then Caleb Wilson will be or whoever. And the
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: question that came in on Twitter is why do we
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: feel this way? Aj Debonsa was in Utah for college
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: because he was the highest paid player, or one of
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: the highest paid players at all of college basketball at
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: that university. He was here for a year, not even
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: a whole year, and it's yeah, okay. He also played
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: his high school ball here, and I don't think it's
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: an assumption that he would be loyal. The organization has
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: to hold up its end of the parkain. Of course,
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: the NBA has incentivized players now to stay with the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: team that drafts them. You can sign for more money
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: in an extra year if you stay with the team
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: that drafts you. That by itself is a strong incentive
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: to say, all right, well that guy will stay now.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Of course, where if it's Darren Peterson that they draft,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: that incentive in place for him as well. But I
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: do think even if it's not like an express promise,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: even if it's not like, well, yeah, of course I
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: love Utah and I I would rather stay. I just
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: think knowing what you're getting into in this place and
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: already having a relationship with Utah, I mean, it's not
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: We're not this like podunk, small town backwater, but it
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: is a unique spot for professional athletes to live. And
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: sometimes they mean that in a good way, and sometimes
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: it's not a fit. Not to lean too heavy on
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: a very very old narrative. Now, but the nightlife is
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: not the same. If that's important to a player, maybe Utah.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, if you can be if you like nightlife,
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: and you can be in New York or Miami or
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 2: eventually because they're going to get a franchise Vegas, or
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 2: you're gonna be in Salt Lake City, Like those things matter.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: If you're a family man and you got three or
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: four kids, you'd probably rather be in Utah than in
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: a place like Miami. Maybe, I don't know. I think
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: it's a balid question. Why do we assume somebody like
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: aj Debonce or somebody like Kamboozer would be more likely
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: to re sign with the Utah Jazz. But I think
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: that there is a practical element to that assumption, or
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: a practical element to being more convinced because you already
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: have relationships here. It's not uprooting yourself and planting down
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: in an NBA city where you have no support system,
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: you don't know anybody, where your team becomes your life,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: et cetera. Anyway, I always appreciate interaction on social media
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: and on the text line. At eight seven seventy three,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: five zero seven hundred, very excited to welcome Sarah Todd
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: back to the show post NBA Draft Lottery, post Mother's Day,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd, How are you doing great?
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 8: How are you doing well?
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: I'm excited. I well, I'm a little bit miffed because
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: all of my NBA Draft Lottery conspiracies went up in
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: smoke when the Utah Jazz got picked number two. But
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: I still am going to focus on the fact that
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: the Jazz got picked number two in a deep draft
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: where we think they can get a star player. But
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: just take me inside the room and your thoughts when
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 2: number two comes down with the Utah jazz.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it was, you know, it's weird. I think there
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 8: hasn't been like a ton of emotion that we've seen
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 8: in the lottery drawing room since the Zion Williamson Lottery.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 8: And I think if anybody remembers that it's in the
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 8: lottery room, in the drawing room itself, that was when
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 8: Alvin Gentry got up and there was some flowery language
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 8: and he jumped up and yelled and very excited when
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 8: Noorleans was announced as getting the number one pick. But
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 8: since then it's been kind of very quiet, stoic reactions
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 8: when people learn the fate of the top picks in
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 8: the drawing room. And so when the number one pick
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 8: was announced in the drawing room and it was Washington,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 8: again incredibly stoic from Washington's president, Michael Winger. And then
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 8: the number two was announced as Utah, and finally a
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 8: little bit of emotion because Austin Aine, she kind of
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 8: gave a classic Tiger Woods like fifth bump, fifth pump,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 8: and he kind of just said yes, and you could
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 8: tell that he was just absolutely overjoyed, and it was
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 8: it was really really nice to be in the drawing
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 8: room and see somebody just display any type of emotion.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 8: That's how it's supposed to be, right, Like, I still
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 8: can't believe, like looking back on it, that there wasn't
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 8: you know, hooping and hollering and jumping around when san
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 8: Antonio got Whimby or when Dallas got number one. Knew
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 8: they beating Cooper and so it's nice to see some excitement.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 8: And then I wrote last night, you know a lot
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 8: of people don't know that the number combination for the
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 8: number two pick came up. It was Utah's number combination.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 8: They get announced that they get the number two pick,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 8: and then the next number combination that was drawn from
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: the lottery machine was Utah again, and so it was
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 8: like the basketball gods just punctuating the situation and being like, yeah,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 8: they do deserve a good one right now. And so
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 8: obviously that number combination, the second one that was picked,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 8: that's discarded, and then they pick again and it goes
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: the third pick goes to Memphis. But it was funny
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 8: because Austin told me, yeah, I'll take number two and three.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 8: That's fine, we can have them both.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: I propose a rule that if your number combination comes
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: up at two and three, you put those together and
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: it gets you one instead. But let's push that through
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: for the NBA. All right, Okay, So now let's set
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: this up with this really nifty soap opera for the
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: next five or six weeks where there's a decision making
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: process for the Washington Wizards for the Utah Jazz. And
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: part of that decision making process, of course, is going
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: to be who is the consensus number one for Washington
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: and are they willing to part ways with that pick
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: as some reports are suggesting right now for the right price.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: And then if that's the case, the Utah Jazz would
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: have to decide if it's worth paying that price. And
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: that's what I started the show with today. Obviously, this
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: gets a lot more convoluted because there is a backstory
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: and a relationship between aj Debonce, who's one of the
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: top two plays in this draft, and the Utah Jazz,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: or at least their ownership through the BYU situation. So
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: tell me how you think this soap opera unfold, or
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: at least the process that you think the Utah Jazz
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: have to go through before we get a solution on.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 8: I mean, I think the first thing that people need
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 8: to realize is, you know, Michael Winger often and when
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 8: they say things like yeah, we're going to be willing
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 8: to listen to offers for the pick, they can't say
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 8: anything else, right if a reporter asked them like, oh,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 8: would you be you know, willing to trade down or
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 8: listen to offers if someone came to you, they're not
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 8: going to say, Like, it's very unlikely that they're going
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 8: to say, no, don't call us. We don't want to
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 8: hear what you have to offer.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: That.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 8: That's just not how the NBA world works. Of course,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 8: they're going to listen. They want to hear if anybody's
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 8: going to make a Godfather offer. They want to hear
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 8: what people are willing to give up. And that is
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 8: probably going to play out over the next few weeks.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 8: Like you said, there's going to be a soap opera.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 8: Are the Jazz willing to try and move up? Would
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 8: they be willing to package that pick and move down
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 8: for two picks like that? There's going to be tons
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 8: of things that are tossed around and offered. Honestly, though,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 8: the most likely scenario is that the Wizards take the
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 8: number one pick and that the Jazz take the number
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 8: two pick. It's really really hard for me to imagine
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 8: a scenario where the Jazz feel like they are they
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 8: have the number two pick. It's literally as good as
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 8: it can get without being number one, and it feels
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 8: like it would kind of be a disappointment to then
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 8: say like, Okay, we're actually going to pick number five
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 8: and eight, Like they've been trying so hard to get
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 8: into the upper achelout of the lottery. They've been that's
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 8: all of the work over the last few years, been
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 8: trying to get like a top three pick, and now
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 8: they have it. So it's really hard for me to
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 8: imagine that they would give that up now trading up
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 8: for number one. I hear and I understand what everybody
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 8: is saying about the relationship with Aj Devansa, but it's
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 8: not like Darren Peterson, if that's who you have ranked
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 8: number two on your draft board, is not a player
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 8: that is projected at this point to be bad, like
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 8: he has future multi time All Star Like both AJ
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: and Darren Peterson looks like they have the potential to
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 8: be like maybe MVP type players.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: So I just.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 8: I think that this is going to play out a
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: little like soap operatic, like you said that it will.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 8: But really what is most likely to happen is that
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 8: the Wizards are not going to disappoint their fans. They're
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 8: going to take number one, and the Jazz are probably
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 8: not going to disappoint their fans. They're going to get
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 8: an excellent player with a number two pick.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: How big is the gap between Darren Peterson, aj de
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: Bonza and Cam Boozer, who in most evaluations seems to
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: be number three in this draft.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it's hard to It's hard to, you know, try
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 8: and crystal ball and predict the future. But I think that,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 8: you know, the way that it looks is that you
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 8: have to imagine what we've seen over the last few
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 8: years kind of players of a j de bons are
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 8: Darren Peterson's ilk right, like the sort of the rangy wing,
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 8: the big wing with tons of athletic ability that a
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 8: j De Bonsa projects to have like that is incredibly
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 8: versatile in the NBA. It makes you someone that has
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 8: a lot of upside on both sides of the floor.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 8: Darren Peterson being somebody that can you know, as a
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 8: as a big lead guard, not being undersized and still
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 8: having such a large amount of room to grow into
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 8: the NBA again, tons of potential as a two way player.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 8: I think that you just see a lot more upside
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 8: from those positions and from like those skill sets. Then
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 8: you do more of a traditional power forward, big guy
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 8: like Camp Boozer, and there's a lot of wondering, you know,
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: like Cam Boozer's success in college had a lot to
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 8: do with how much bigger and stronger he looked compared
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 8: to the competition, and in the NBA that's not going
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 8: to be as much of an advantage because everybody is
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 8: bigger and stronger, and so he's going to kind of
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 8: blend in a little bit more.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: So.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 8: I think that's where the biggest the biggest drop off
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 8: is is that you can still see so much potential
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 8: for growth and a little bit more of potential for
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 8: kind of fading into the background with Camp Booser.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd is our guest here on the Sean O'Connell
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: Schill talking about the exciting news that the Utah Jazz
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: have come away from the NBA Draft lottery with the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: number two overall pick. I'm going to be asking every
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: basketball person this, should you consider the likelihood of a
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 2: player re signing with your organization when you're talking about
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: drafting up here in this top three area? Or should
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: you just get what you can while you can from
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: a player in the draft.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 8: I think that when you're picking in the top three
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 8: of the draft, the one thing that you should be
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 8: thinking about is that you're taking the most talented player
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 8: available on the board. When you're picking, I don't think
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 8: that you should really be thinking anything outside of that.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 8: One of the things that Austin Age mentioned to me
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 8: last night in the drawing room is he's like, you know,
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 8: as they say, need is a bad evaluator, right, Like,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 8: if you've got a top pick and you've got in
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 8: these incredibly talented potential like future MVP caliber rookies, this
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 8: is what it seems like on the table. You should
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 8: not be thinking like, well, what does our team need
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 8: and then pass over that kind of talent. What you
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 8: should be thinking about is we are going to take
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 8: the most talented player available and then we will figure
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 8: out everything else after that. And so I don't think
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 8: that teams should be thinking about like, well, what do
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 8: we think that this eighteen or nineteen year old kid
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 8: is going to think at the end of his you know,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 8: the end of the rookie scale contract when it comes
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 8: to extension time, Like, do we think that he might
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 8: be the kind of person once he gets into his
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: twenties that he'll decide on something different? What an incredibly
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 8: horrible way to try to figure out someone's mind. I mean, like,
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 8: I don't want I don't even want to delve into
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: getting into like the psyche of a teenager or an
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: early twenties year old because I know what I was
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 8: like at that age, and so just take the best
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 8: player available and hope that you can create a winning
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 8: culture and success to the point that they want to
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 8: stay that I think that that is the most important thing.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: I agree with everything you've said so far. The most
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: likely outcome here is that the Wizard's drafted one and
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: the Jazz drafted two. It seems like the most likely
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: scenario there if that plays out, is that Devonsa goes one,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson comes to the Jazz number two. But bear
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: with me here, how likely is it that there is
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: some sort of you know, irrational ingredient to this process
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: where your owner and I don't want to put words
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: into Ryan Smith's mouth and I don't want to put
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 2: thoughts into his head and make assumptions. But like where
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: he says, no, I my vision was to get aj
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 2: Deboncea to my team, and we have a possibility of
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: doing that, so go do that. It seems like this team,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: this franchise, has tried to do things in a reasonable
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: rational way, even the painful part of it, in the
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: TA and things like that. How likely is it that
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: there is some irrational level that comes in and says no, no, No,
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: that's the guy I want. I already know him, I
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: already like him. Don't get it. Is it a possibility here?
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 8: I think there's Listen, yes, anything is possible, right, But
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 8: I think that it's more likely. Like if you were trying,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: if you asked me, what are the teams in the
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: NBA where you think they could really mess this up
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 8: and kind of do something stupid on Draft night? The
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 8: Jazz are not one of the teams that I would list.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 5: Right off the top of my head.
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 8: The Wizards might be. The Wizards might be one of
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 8: the teams that I think I don't really trust a
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 8: lot of the decision making lately or the King. If
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 8: they had the number one pick, I'd be like, yeah,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 8: they're probably gonna mess this one up. But I don't
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 8: see the Jazz as kind of just digging in and
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 8: trying to get the guy that was at BYU just
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 8: because he was at BYU. I just like, don't think
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 8: that that is the kind of path that they're going
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 8: to go down. I think that Aja Bonso was really
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 8: really great for the state of Utah, was really great
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 8: for BYU, and that is going to continue to be
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 8: a good story and successful for the state even if
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 8: he ends up at the Wizards. And would it be
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 8: kind of like hometown hero stuff a little bit if
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 8: he went to the Jazz. Sure, but I think that
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 8: you know, if Darren Peterson comes to the Jazz, he'd
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 8: become a hero, right Like. I just think that there's
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 8: there's so much good possibility with having the number two pick,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 8: specifically in this draft, that you don't really have to
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 8: dig your heels in and try to get the guy
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 8: that's you know, been a couple of years here.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: I appreciate your rational thinking, but it also is interesting
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: than being like, oh, just swing for the fences. Just because.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 8: I mean, like, here's my question, right, Like, do we
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: really do we think that, let's let's take Ryan Smith
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: out of the equation, right, Like, do we think that
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: a Jada Bonsa loves Utah so much that he wants
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 8: to be like to have a team like try and
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 8: pull all of the levers and make everything happen so
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 8: that he can stay in Utah forever? Like, do we
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 8: think that that's the part of the equation.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 5: Really?
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: I don't think so. But I mean, the NBA has
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 2: incentivized players to stay with the place to draft them,
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: have they not with you know, an extra year max contracts,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: et cetera.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's definitely incentivization to stay where you're drafted. But
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 8: I just don't think that there's this ultra pool that says, well,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 8: because Aj was at Prep and then at BYU for
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 8: one year, that that means that he can be like
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 8: the savior of the state and that it's this massive,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 8: huge win if the Jazz get him. I just I
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 8: think that that might be overblown just a little bit.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 8: And like I think Aj de Bonza wants to go
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 8: number one and wants to be in the NBA. I
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 8: don't really think that he probably cares too much where
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: that is.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: That's right. Number one is probably more important than where
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: number one goes. I will agree with you on that one.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: How real is the concern about Darren Peterson's cramping issues
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: and unexplained injury situations and Kansas? You know, even Bill
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: self's messaging on it changed pretty drastically throughout the year.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: There were sometimes where he who's seen it all in
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: college basketball, was like clearly incredibly frustrated with the situation, certainly,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: but even if you read between the lines, maybe a
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: little bit with the player. And then as the season progressed,
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: he definitely was a lot more favorable towards towards Darren
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: and his evaluation of Darren and all that stuff. But
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: every once in a while, where there's a little smoke,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: there's a fire too. So how real a concern is
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: all that stuff for the Utah Jazz?
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, there's concern. I've been talking to people around the
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 8: league about this for months, right like when it started
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 8: to become an issue at Kansas, That's when I start
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 8: asking people about it. And right from the very beginning,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 8: most NBA people would tell me like, yeah, it's it's
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 8: a concern, but we want to get like, we want
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 8: to see the medical information. We want to get him
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 8: in front.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 9: Of NBA doctors.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 8: And as much as people respect and believe and know
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 8: that even D one athletes at some of the best
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 8: schools have absolutely like top tier medical treatment available to them,
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 8: that is true, but there is still a world of
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 8: difference between what but D one athletes and NBA athletes
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 8: are given when it comes to medical care, treatment and
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 8: just what's available to them. And so a lot of
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 8: people in the ABA are like, yeah, let's just let's
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 8: hold off, let's not get too worried about this until
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 8: we actually like see from the NBA's perspective what's going on.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 8: So that's one component of it, the frustration and stuff
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 8: like it's I can I can imagine a situation where,
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 8: especially as you know Bill self in the entire Kansas
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 8: organization is trying to kind of keep a lid on
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 8: this and not let it out because you know, Darren
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 8: and Darren's family probably don't want to let out the
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 8: information of what's going on. Right, Like, if the cramping
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 8: situation truly is all that was happening, and it is
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 8: true that it was because of this creatine levels and
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 8: that being a problem, like that actually being the reason
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 8: for the cramping, and it being mysterious up until recently.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 8: If that is all true, I can really really understand
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 8: a situation where he is having these cramps and going
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 8: to these really scary episodes, including like being taken out
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 8: in an ambulance and feeling like that he was going to die,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 8: and not knowing what's going on in his body, his
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 8: family being scared about that, Bill self being scared about that,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 8: and then like intermittently, like it coming on suddenly and
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 8: then going away and not knowing what's causing it, And
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 8: then I'm sure certain that if that's the situation, there's
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 8: also like doubt that creeps in, like is this real?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 8: Like how can I expect to know like when this
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 8: player is going to be available as a coach, Like
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 8: I don't know what's going on? Frustration, fear, all of
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 8: that plays into a situation like this, and I can
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 8: understand all of those emotions, and I can understand Bill
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 8: self being scared and being frustrated and having doubts about
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 8: everything and wondering if it has anything to do about
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 8: the character of the player. And so for this story
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 8: to come out, this week. It does feel like pretty timely,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 8: you know, right before the lottery, a few weeks before
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 8: the draft. But it doesn't make me think that it's
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 8: not true. It doesn't make me think that any of
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 8: the frustrations or fears of any of the people involved
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: aren't as real as they absolutely should be. And so
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 8: like I can understand, and I can imagine a world
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 8: where all of this is actually true and that everything
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 8: is probably fine. But the important piece to cap all
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 8: of that is INBA teams are looking forward to kind
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 8: of like digging through the medical stuff and getting into
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 8: a room and interviewing Darren without his family around, without
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 8: his coaches around, without any cameras involved, and just talking
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 8: to him and seeing what's what and kind of getting
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 8: the lay of the land.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: I look forward to whatever information we can get out
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: of that too, because I'm unkind about this when we
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 2: talk about elite, high level athletes, and he is a
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 2: professional athlete, like the University of Kansas basketball program is
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: a professional team. If you're having these problems and you
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: can't explain what they are, the first thing that people
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: are going to look at is your diet and your supplementation.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: That is the first thing that's going to be evaluated like, hey,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: are you taking something new? Did you change your brands
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: for that to come out months later and just be like, oh, yeah,
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: it was this createam when, by the way, creating doesn't
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: cause cramping. Now, I fully allow for the fact that
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: there's an allergy, or for the fact that there's a contamination,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: or the fact that a player like a certain body
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: reacts differently than everyone else's body does. Like that, that's real,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: that happens. But I just I have a hard time
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: with that explanation being the one that we are supposed
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: to take at face value without further explanation. And if
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: that is indeed what was happening, then Darren Peterson needs
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: to sue Kansas because they were giving him the dang creatinine.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That One's hard for me to swallow.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: As someone who is very much in the athletics world
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: and was very very skeptical and careful about putting anything
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: into my body that could lead to a positive drug
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: test or lead to a negative outcome, I just have
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: a hard time believing that it took that long to
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: figure out that it was a supplement you can get
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: on the shelf at Walmart, you know what I mean?
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean I hear what you're saying it Also,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 8: Like I mean, if there's an eighteen year old kid
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 8: who's just like you know, you know, got like the
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 8: powder in his you know, dom and he's going back
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 8: after workouts and just like making a shake, you know,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 8: and doing that in his room, and just like that's
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 8: what everybody else is doing and it's not something that
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 8: he's actually getting like at the facility, Like we're talking
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 8: about something and you just said it, right, Like we
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 8: all know that you can just go down to any
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 8: store and get this stuff. And like I am not
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 8: a doctor, I don't I don't know what it means
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 8: when you have like naturally occurring high levels of creating
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 8: in your body already, And like that's actually something that
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 8: I'd really like to know more about, right, Like what
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 8: does it mean when somebody has that naturally high of
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 8: occurring levels in their body? Should we be thinking about
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 8: that and wondering about that down the line. But like
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 8: I can completely I mean I've been in situations where
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 8: I've gone to the doctor and there's been something weird
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 8: going on and trying to narrow it down when you
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 8: have something weird going on in your body takes so
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 8: long months. You can go in for so many different
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 8: blood tests, you know, like it's your first Like comprehensive
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 8: metabolic panel does not include looking at creating levels. And
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 8: so as as doctors try and figure out something that's
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 8: weird that's going on your body, you go through and
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 8: you get you know, twelve different blood tests, and well,
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 8: none of those come up. And so a few weeks
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 8: later you go in, you get four different blood tests
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 8: and nothing shows up on those, And a couple of
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 8: weeks later you go back and they run a couple
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 8: more tests. Like that, that is normal stuff that happens
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 8: when people are looking for something weird that's happening in
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 8: your body. And like, I can see a situation where
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 8: a kid that's that young isn't saying like, oh, yeah,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 8: my protein shakes that I that I just have after workouts.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 8: Like I can imagine a situation where that just doesn't
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 8: come up because it seems so normal and just so
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: nonchalant that it's not something that he needs to bring
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: up because it doesn't feel like it's something that would
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 8: cause a problem. I hear you though, that it's weird,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 8: and it is shocking that it took them so long
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: to figure this out, and that it wasn't resolved during
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 8: the season, and that that story didn't come out earlier.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 8: All of it is strange, but I am allowing for
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: a world in which it was all just kind of
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 8: it kind of just slips through the cracks. I can
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 8: see that happening, all.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Right before I let you go, And obviously we're going
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: to try to have you on again as we approach
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: the draft, and your answer can change when we get there,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: but it is the day after the draft lottery, May eleventh,
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: in the Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty six. Your
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: prediction for where and who the Utah Jazz draft in
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 2: the end of June.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 8: A Jazz draft number two Darren Peterson all right, I think.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: That is the most likely outcome, but of course the
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: next several weeks we will talk about all the different possibilities.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: Sarah Todd, thank you for your time and your thoughts.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: I very much appreciate it. As always, no problem talk
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: to again at NBA. Sarah. Give her a follow. She
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: is very reasonable about all these things, and that's why
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: she's a big Jay journal It's like a real one.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: She doesn't just spout speculation into a microphone, which I do,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: and it's a lot of fun. Ladies and gentlemen. Got
• 1:26:48
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• 1:26:53
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  Speaker 2: start with this one. R Jay Day doesn't want to
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: go to Ohio State. Ryan Day's son is going to
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: Northwestern to play his college football. Your favorite team's head coach,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: not the family man you think he is, James. His
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 2: son is going to a rival in the conference.
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 3: Rival in air quotes, Yeah, too bad. I think Ohio
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 3: States can be just fine though.
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: I think they'll be okay. Actually, so, this actually fascinates
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: me when you see some of this where like a
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: lot of times, like Ryan Days at one of the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: top four top five universities university football programs in the country, right,
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: and if his son wants to play there and is
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: justified in like you're justified in recruiting like a like
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: a Dion Sanders son, right, like a Shador Sanders could
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: have gone anywhere, And if his dad was the coach
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: at Ohio State, it would have made sense for him
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: to go play at Ohio State. It actually doesn't make
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: sense at all for Ryan Day to recruit his own
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: son to play quarterback for him, because if you're a
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: quarterback at Ohio State, you're a top five player at
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: that position in the country at least you're supposed to
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: be so for RJ. Day, Ryan Day Junior, the right
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: thing is to go to a place that wants you
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: and that you can actually play. And in the case
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: of Northwestern, he has relationships with the coaches at that
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: school because they worked for his dad, they know his dad.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: In the case of Chip Kelly, who's now at Northwestern,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: Ryan Day played for chip Kelly. So this is actually
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: like a really sneaky cool fit for RJ. Day to
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: go play at Northwestern. So I was being facetious obviously
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: in the way I approached at the start, but like
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: kind of cool where you know, dad gets to see
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: his son go play for people he knows and trusts
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: and doesn't have to deal with like the I mean, imagine,
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: tell your wife, Yeah, if he wants to come play
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: for me, he's got to be a walk on because
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: I can't justify giving him a scholarship at Ohio State.
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a he's a three star. This is according
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: to twenty four to seven. He's a three star. There
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: an eighty four overall. Like that's not a that's not
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: a bad that's not a bad evaluation for a quarterback
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: coming out of college. Three star quarterback in the eight
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: ranked in the eighties overall. Pretty good, But it's not
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: to Ohio State standard and the fact that he still
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 3: gets to play in the Big Ten even though it
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 3: is Northwestern.
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: It's a program with with a.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 3: Lot less fanfare obviously, Like that's still I mean, he's
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 3: just still feel pretty good about being a Big Ten quarterback.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 4: For sure.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: I would love if at some point we see Northwestern
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: pull off like the Mega upset with RJ Day quarterbacking
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: against his dad's team. I'd be one of the coolest
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 2: things ever.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that would be That would be something and gets
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 4: his dad fired.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: No, that that probably would be bad. But imagine thanks
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: Giving dinner a couple of weeks later. Hey Dad, sorry
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: that I lost you your twelve million dollars a year
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: job by playing some good football against you. Sorry about that.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: I can't believe.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 4: I can't believe you did that, son. I can't believe
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 4: Lou Holtz would say that about us.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: All right, we're we've been following this closely and it's
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: happening now. All right, let's go to the World Cup,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, let's do the Sean O'Connell show from
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: the road. James, you can decide. You're the program director.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: You can decide whether we're doing it at Levi Stadium,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: whether we're doing it at so Far, whether you want
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: to go down to Houston or whatever. But World Cup
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: ticket prices are now falling below face value. We've done it,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: ladies and gentlemen, sticking it to FIFA because they were
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 2: price gouging, Hill's price gouging, rental cars, price gouging, transportation
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: companies price gouging, and the American sports fan has finally
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: declared that enough is enough. We are not paying these
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: prices on the official secondary market for FIFA. On the
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: other secondary ticket pricing websites, the exorbitant fees are now
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: coming back down to either face value or in the
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: case of fifty percent of tickets now below face value.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: To attend World Cup games, including USA Panama, which is
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: their debut at SOFI, you can now get the Tier
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: three tickets, like the upper tickets, you can now get
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: those below face value. So we're somehow finding a way
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: to stick it to FIFA. They're still going to be
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: the most powerful organization in all of sport. They're still
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: going to be making billions upon billions of dollars off
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: of this whole thing. They're still taking fifteen percent of
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: the resale price, even if it is below face value,
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: So they're getting their second at the Apple. But from
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: a consumer perspective, the message is being sent that, hey, guys,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: we can't do this, and we're still a month away.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: So by the time we get there, if the prices
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: continue to fall, maybe we're talking mega discount half priced.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: Who knows, James, we're going to the World Cup.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: We're going. We're going.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: What so as far as falling, what are we looking
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: at now?
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: For that?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: For that USA Panama match? What's the get in number?
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 3: I know you've looked this up.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's it's now under one thousand dollars, it's under.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: And then for random like non USA match, not necessarily
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: not not like star studded match, it's what was that
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: like three hundred?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: Still, yeah, so you can get you can get like
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: you can get Iran Switzerland tickets for like two hundred bucks.
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: And guess what, there's more tickets. More tickets have been
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: sold to that game, which is also so far more
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: tickets have been sold to that game then to the
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: USA Panama game.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 4: Woh, So, I think.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of people who just want to go
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: and say they went to a World Cup soccer game,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: and according to the FIFA count, it's like there's like
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: fifty plus thousand that have been sold to that one,
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: mid forty thousands for USA versus Panama. So the demand
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: is really becoming a question and a problem for FIFA,
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: which I think will hopefully motivate a drop a further
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: drop in prices. I promise you can drop them significantly
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: and still be profitable FIFA.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Seriously, two hundred bucks to get in is approaching
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: the price that even I might spend the time to
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: go out of town to watch one of these games,
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 3: because you couldn't back.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: You couldn't you couldn't watch you couldn't watch a mammoth
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: playoff game for less than that. Basically no. So now
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: we're talking about like these are these are I'm not
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: the World Cup itself is something I absolutely want to attend.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: I have no problem with the World Cup. I have
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: a problem with trying to screw everyone who is trying
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: to attend the World Cup and the collective pushback from
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: the wallets of consumers that I think is making it
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: hopefully a little bit easier on fans everywhere. So we
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: shall see. I'm going to keep a close eye because
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: we're what we're a month away from the first matches
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: being played.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: We're going to get a remote sold to right outside
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 3: so far or LEVI, so we're gonna make it.
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: You know, amazing. That would be right if we're right
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: out there on like the plaza and random Swiss soccer
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 2: fans are walking up, They're just like, what's this. It's like, oh,
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: we're a radio station in Salt Lake City, Utah.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: Like US is us?
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: Like why are you here? Don't worry about it. Just
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: give me some chocolate and go into the.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 4: Game tobler own please and leave.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 2: Is to blon Swiss.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: I believe it is.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: I thought that was French. Here's what That's what shows
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: you how much I know. All right, Steve, Remember there
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: was all this like speculation the end of an era
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: in Golden State, Steve Kerr maybe moving on Draymond and
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: Staph like they all kind of have their little hug
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: like guys, that's been the best. Steve Kerr ain't going anywhere.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: He agreed to a two year extension with the Warriors.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: That was on Sunday. That was actually right before the
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 2: NBA Draft lottery that got the conspiracy theorists fired up like,
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: oh my gosh, the Warriors are gonna win it now.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: Steve Kerr only agreed to come back because he's gonna
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 2: get the number one pick. No, didn't happen, But Steve
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Kerr is staying in San Francisco and remaining head coach
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: of the Golden State Warriors makes perfect sense. Their their
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: championship window is closed, the dynasty is over. But no
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: reason to push Steve Kerr out the door. He's still
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: a good coach. He still has a good rapport with
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 2: the young players on that team, not just with Steph.
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: I like Steve Kerse. I'm glad he's stayed.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, And I think he I think he
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: wants to be tied to Steph at least till, like
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: he wants to remain the coach of the Warriors, at
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: least until Steph retires or.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 4: Is no longer a member of the Warriors.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 3: Right and hopefully hopefully that is when Steph is no
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 3: longer remember the Warriors.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: We don't have a weird.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Traded somewhere else situation with him, or free agent somewhere
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 3: else situation with him.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 4: He just he's a forever Warrior.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: That that seems to be the thing that makes the
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: most sense to me. He wants, whether they have a
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 3: chance of winning a title or not. He wants to
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: coach Steph until Steph is done playing. Maybe that's two
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 3: years from now.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: The Bucks, the Milwaukee Bucks, are seeking trade offers for Giannis.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: According to shamps Charanya, they're open for business, and apparently
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 2: they have said, you know what, we want a nice
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: little rebuild package. If you're gonna get Yannis, scratch out
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: and everything I said about the Utah Jazz, who they're
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: gonna pick at number two, trade the pick to Milwaukee,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: bring in Yannis. Boom problem solved.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 3: That's that is the other sound move to make with
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 3: this number two pick. Oh see, don't trade for number one.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 3: Trade get get the Bucks on the hook for this
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: kind of move. Let them have Darren Peterson or Cam Boozer,
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 3: whoever they want with that. With that number two pick,
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: we'll take Yannis.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 2: Let's go.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: We'll have the biggest, well the biggest starting lineup in
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: the history of mankind.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Great freak in Salt Lake City is the point guard.
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: Let's go.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Why not eat your heart out,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: Magic Johnson. We got a guy who's even taller than
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 2: you running the.
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: Point blue chip talent and or a surplus of draft
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: picks is what Seaan's is reporting. He that was their
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: reportedly there asking price at this at this past trade deadline,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 3: at this point, they're like, we see no reason to
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: deviate from that, which I think I absolutely agree with
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: that thought.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 2: I give you the number two pick. And Cody Williams
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: who says, no, let's go Bucks, come on, come on,
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: send yanis our way. You know what. I bet he's
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: never had, even though he is the Greek freak. I
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: bet he's never had a baclava milkshake. You can get
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: those here in Salt Lake City. I will personally deliver
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: him one. If the Jazz make dead trade. Austin Ainge,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: I know you're listening. That's the move.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 4: I know you, I know you will.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: There's a surprising number of Greek like fast casual or
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: fast food places around here. I bet he doesn't know that.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 3: I bet he doesn't know that he would feel right
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 3: at home in Greek Town and also not just in Greektown,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: any other many other places in the valley. With the
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: amount of like Greek themed restaurants we have around here.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 2: The Greek Festival is basically around the corner from the
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: arena every summer. I mean, come on, you're honest.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 3: That's right, Austin. Bring him out in September, early September
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: for the Greek Festival. He will be convinced he wants
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 3: to be here.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: Okay, we solve your problems. You don't have to worry
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: about who you're going to draft because you use the
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 2: draft pick on Jannis Antetan Kupo and everyone's happy, all right.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: And now I'm hired to be team president and or
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: general manager of the Utah Jazz because of my I
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: gotta be serious about this one here for a second, though.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: The Minnesota Vikings are inducting Adrian Peterson into their Ring
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: of Honor this coming season. He also becomes eligible for
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame next year. Adrian Peterson is still
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 2: among the top three college football players I have ever
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: seen play. He carried that dominance into the NFL. I
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: have a complicated relationship with how much I want to
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: see this guy honored. In his career, Adrian Peterson spent
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: a lot of his time and money sponsoring and representing
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: the Special Olympics, which are a wonderful, wonderful organization and
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 2: cause that is near and dear to my heart. I
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: have a younger brother who has been a gold medalist
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: many times over in the Special Olympics. It is the
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: most wholesome, incredible thing to see people with special needs
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: of all ability levels, all levels of handicap allowed to
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: compete in the sports that we all love and it. It
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: really is wonderful. And so I applaud Adrian Peterson outside
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: obviously everything he was able to do in football. For that,
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: I weirdly felt bad for Adrian Peterson when he was
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: he ended up like nine yards shy of the all
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: time single season rushing record, and they wouldn't just they
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: wouldn't just let him go try to get it. I
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: thought that was kind of messed up. But I got kids, man,
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 2: And even though I believe that you don't have to
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: coddle your kids, and you don't, I'm not exactly what
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: you call a soft parent. Like Adrian Peterson was investigated
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 2: and seriously targeted and found guilty of like like child abuse,
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: like serious stuff, and putting him in a ring of
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: honor and decorating him as somebody to look up to
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: is complicated. I know that they're nobody is perfect. I
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 2: know that nobody is a perfect parent. I know that
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: how you raise your kids is off in a reflection
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: of how you were raised. And he made that case like, look,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: I got hit with a switch and I'm fine, and
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 2: by all accounts, his son is also fine. The son
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 2: that he actually got in trouble for hitting with the
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: switch and bruising with the switch is now a high
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: level recruit. He's got an offer from the University of Miami.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: He's only fourteen years old, he's already six one and
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty pounds, Like he might be better
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: and his dad we'll see. But man, that's a tough
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: one for me because I mean, I don't know how
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: all of you out there feel about spanking. I got spanked,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: I'm fine that level of like you shouldn't be leaving
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: markings on your kids, man, and Adrian Peterson did, And
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: I just don't know that. I know that people have
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: been decorated for their sports careers completely independent of how
• 1:43:32
  Speaker 2: they were off the field. And there's been domestic abusers
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: that have jerseys retired, and there's been probably abusive fathers
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: that have had jerseys retired. The stuff that is not requisite,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: like by all means, tell him he's a great football player,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: but the Ring of Honor it is for honorable people.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: I'll leave it at that. That's your daily down here
• 1:43:59
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• 1:44:02
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• 1:44:04
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• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: You were listening to a Sean O'Connell show from the
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• 1:44:23
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• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: All right, we're talking about the future of the NBA,
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: especially with Utah Jazz after the draft lottery, Jazz picking
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: number two at the end of June. We'll be speculating
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: on what that looks like for the next several weeks.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: But NBA playoffs are happening right now. And Victor webbin Yama,
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: we saw a different side of him. He got into
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: it with nas Reed through a little elbow at nas
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 2: Reed got ejected from Game four. That series is now
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 2: tied up at two apiece, and there was some question
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 2: as to whether or not Victor Weinbinyamo would face further
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: discipline from the league. He is too important to the
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 2: league into their ratings, so he will play Game five
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: against the Timberwolves in San Antonio. According to Shampstrana, so
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: Wemby is again like he doesn't have a history of
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: bad behavior. That's obviously going to help you out in
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 2: a situation like this one. But pretty serious elbow obviously
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: very serious infraction, a flagrant two for excessive contact above
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 2: the neck, which comes with an automatic suspension, excuse me,
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: an automatic ejection, and then triggers an evaluation for further discipline.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: He is not going to be penalized for Game five,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: and he missed most of Game four because of this.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: There was what halfway through the second quarter. It is
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: the earliest an All Star has been tossed from a
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 2: playoff game since nineteen ninety seven nineteen ninety eight, according
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: to ESPN research, those teams have now gone one in
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 2: eight when an All Star is ejected from a playoff
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: game before the fourth quarter ninety seven ninety eight. Was
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: that a Carl Malone ejection? Something tells me that might
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: have been a Carl melon reject.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 3: I was just gonna say the same thing. I have
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 3: not been able to con find what it is. I
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 3: haven't spent a lot of time tracking that down, but
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 3: that he did go full Carl alone on Nas reed
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: like the elbow, except Malone did like elbows to the temple.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 3: Wemby went went straight at NAS's neck there, So that
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: that was definitely a Mailman's style.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: So okay, until we get confirmation seven eight, who are
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: the other? Like Dennis Rodman was a playoff, he was
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: an All Star caliber player in that era, I don't
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: know if he was an All Star in ninety seven
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 2: ninety eight.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I wonder if this stat is like it's probably
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 3: an All Star that particular season that they were also ejected,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: got it right, I guess right, not just happened to
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: be an All Star at different time in their career.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna look up the nineteen ninety seven nineteen
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: ninety eight All Star rosters. Let's see here. Okay, who
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: could it have been before we get any kind of
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: confirmation eight seven seven three five three zero seven hundred.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: By the way, if you know who it was, the
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 2: Eastern Conference All Stars in nineteen ninety eight, Sean Camp
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: could have been him.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 4: At the that's a strong candidate there.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: Grant Hill, no to kem be Mtumba, he's not getting ejected.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: Michael Jordan, Penny Hardaway, Tim Hardaway, Jason Williams, Rick Smith's,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: Reggie Miller, Glenn Rice, Steve Smith, and Antoine Walker. Okay,
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: So the Eastern Conference All Stars, the most likely is
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: Sean Kemp, second most likely Antwine Walker.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yep, you've read my mind. I feel like
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 3: there's three strong candidates there from the East, Kemp, Walker,
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 3: and Glenn Rice.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, the Western Conference All Stars, you've got some good
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: options here, okay. Karl Malone, Kevin Garnett, uh huh Shaquille O'Neal, yep.
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 4: Check.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: Kobe Bryant probably not.
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 3: Second year player that year, didn't really get ejected yet,
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 3: probably even later. Probably not Gerry Payton, yeah, Vin Baker, Yeah, absolutely,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 3: Eddie Jones, David Robinson, Mitch Richmond, Jason Kidd, Tim Duncan,
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: and Nick van Exel.
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 2: So there's like there's like six guys on the Western
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 2: Conference All Stars. Let me could have been the offending
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 2: player who got ejected. Let me gotta figure out who
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 2: this was.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: Let me narrow it down just to titch More from
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: the East. It could not have been Antoine Walker because
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: he played for the Celtics and the Celtics did not
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: make the playoffs. Okay that season they played, they they
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: didn't make the playoffs in Antoine Walker's tenure.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: There until like four years later. They had a rough nineties.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: So it was not Antoine Walker, all right, I don't
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: And off the top of my head, I'm not sure
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: how many of those from the West we were on
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 3: non playoff team, so I think most of them were
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: that you.
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so the Jazz were playoff team. The
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: was that version of Minnesota with Kevin Garnett. Were they
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs? They were team okay. The Lakers obviously were.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 2: Gary Payton and Vin Baker were both on Seattle that
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: year they were in the playoffs, and Nick van Exell
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 2: was a Laker, So yeah, that was a playoff team.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: Let's see the like.
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 3: I think the one of the only like all stars
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: from the West that were not on playoff teams might
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 3: have been Mitch Richmond and the Kings orunless he was
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 3: yeah he was a Western conference, he would have been
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: with a Kink at that time.
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, while I'm here on the rookies the rookies game.
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: Here Eastern Conference rookies playing in that game in ninety
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: seven ninety eight, Keith van Horn shout out to the
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 2: former you all right? The junis Algauskas, Ron Mercer, Yeah,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 2: Ron Mercer, Chauncey Billups, Tracy McGrady all ended up having
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 2: some pretty healthy careers the Western Conference rookie game. Listen
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: to these guys, Roderick Rhodes, Maurice Taylor, Michael Stewart, Bobby Jackson,
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: and Antonio Daniels, Kelvin Cato, Danny Forston, and Alvin Williams.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 4: Yikes, not great, Bob.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: A couple of those guys were like at least rotation
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: players on some playoff teams, but most of those you
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 3: probably have never heard of.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 4: The Eastern Conference that was. That's a strong field though.
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Eastern Conference was awesome. Western Conference not so much.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: Three point shootout one that.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: Year by Jeff horn asec correct shout.
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  Speaker 2: Out a baby, a baby Horny.
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  Speaker 4: He won, all right, he won two in a row.
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  Speaker 3: Because he won, they didn't have an All Star game
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  Speaker 3: the next year because the strike shortened year.
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  Speaker 4: Then he won in two thousand. I believe so.
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  Speaker 2: You love to see it? All right, Uh, we gotta
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: take a break here. We'll jump off the basketball train
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit. Nicole Chick from the Utah Mammoth Broadcast
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: and the Sports USA NHL analyst. He's gonna join us next.
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  Speaker 2: We'll talk about the moves to make this offseason for
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  Speaker 2: the Mammoth and the going Stanley Cup playoffs. If there's
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: any surprises for him there. Nicole Chick next on The
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  Speaker 2: Shatt O'Connell Show ESPN seven hundred and ninety two one FM.
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  Speaker 11: Belong with me, yam and I can tell it one
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  Speaker 11: belong with me.
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  Speaker 1: This it's by Sean O'Connell show. You were home of
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: the best Inside up your years. Let's get back to
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  Speaker 1: oc from the Murder Chevrolet Studio of ESPN seven hundred
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  Speaker 1: and ninety one f M. It's all.
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  Speaker 2: Well, welcome back to the show, OCMA show. Welcome in
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: Nicole Chick from the Utah Mammoth and the Sports USA
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: NHL broadcast. Nick, welcome back to the show. How are you, sir, John?
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  Speaker 5: Great to h great to be back on with you.
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  Speaker 5: It's a very exciting time in the year with the
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 5: playoffs going on and how tight some of these series are,
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 5: and obviously an unforgettable and memorable and exciting season for
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: the Utah Mammoths, unfortunately not able to move past the
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: first round, but found a way to win two games
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: and gain a lot of experience, and it was just
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: so great to see Mammoth Nation all over the nation,
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 5: all around the world, and the great state of Utah
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 5: really get behind their teams as they had done all year.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: But as the Stanley Cup playoffs continue on, the series
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: are tight, and hopefully everybody's been enjoying and taking in
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 5: all the all the games so far.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 2: I definitely want to get to the ongoing series here,
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: but I want to start with the Utah Mammoth And
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, obviously you're so incredibly close to it, and
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 2: you've had the experience all year long and even last year,
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: the first year of the franchise moving to the state
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 2: of Utah. So I'm not telling you anything you don't
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: know here, Nick, but I grew up here. I moved
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 2: here in third grade from Minnesota. I grew up up here.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 2: Hockey was not a thing when I was a young
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: kid in the state of Utah. College football wasn't even
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: as huge of a deal in the state of Utah
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 2: when I was young, and obviously that has changed pretty
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: drastically in the last couple of decades. And I think
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: the best equivalent I can find to what we have
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: seen here with the Utah Mammoth in their first two
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 2: years is when that shift started to happen for college
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: football in our state, when Utah went on an undefeated
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: run in two thousand and four under Urban Meyer and
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: became the DCS busters and everyone wrapped their arms around
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: college football and Uyu was really good at the time,
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: and that rivalry really started to get even more intense.
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  Speaker 2: I remember in those days, I was a lot younger
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 2: than thinking, Wow, this is something different in our state.
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  Speaker 2: I have not felt it. It hasn't sounded like this,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: it hasn't looked like this. I was at the very
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: first Utah Mammoth game. I was at the first Utah
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Mammoth playoff game. And it really is And I know
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  Speaker 2: we've kind of talked about this before, but it really
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: is something that our state has never seen. And people
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: are biting down on this thing, they're embracing it, and
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: they're caring about it. Even now into an offseason. I've
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: talked to a lot of people who they didn't just
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: like put the Mamoth sweaters away. There's a curiosity about, Hey,
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: is this team going to be as good next year?
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: Are they going to be better next year? What's this
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 2: off season going to look like? And for me, that
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: is a really strong indication of the staying power of
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: the Utah Mammoth and of the NHL and of hockey
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  Speaker 2: in our state. Because of course you can cheer for it,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: you could be interested in it when it's right there
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 2: in front of you, but now we have to wait,
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: and people are waiting with eager anticipation and with great
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: curiosity and interest. So I guess my question is what
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  Speaker 2: moves do need to be made this offseason to build
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  Speaker 2: on the momentum that we saw.
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  Speaker 5: Bull Sean, I thought that was really well put by you.
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  Speaker 5: There's obviously a lot there. We could probably use the
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 5: whole segment to UH to talk about the the impact
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 5: of the Mammoth here, but before before I delve into
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 5: the offseason, I I cannot go any further without giving
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: the well deserved praise and admiration of our fans. I mean,
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 5: it's this book, this is this is me being honest,
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 5: I'm not trying to pander at all, but I mean
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 5: I was. I had high expectations because I saw from
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: day one the interest and how it's grown here in
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 5: the state of Utah, in in hockey, in the National
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 5: Hockey League and of course the Mammoth. But just to
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 5: see that explode exponentially come playoff times me, I mean,
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 5: it was just it was It was mind blowing, and
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 5: I knew it was going to grow because with success
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 5: comes comes more support, more interest, as you had laid
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  Speaker 5: out with football in this state back in the early
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  Speaker 5: two thousands, and when you win, people are more interested
• 1:56:59
  Speaker 5: when you When you win, there's more money. When you win,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 5: there's more support, there's more rivalries, there's more everything. And
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 5: so you know, I just I thought, for as exciting
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 5: as the run was and as great as the guys
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  Speaker 5: played out on the ice, I mean, I had thought
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 5: our fans they not only showed up as as team
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 5: governor and owner Ryan Smith and his wife Ashley always
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: loved to say, and which is exactly what Utah does
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 5: on a on a daily basis due to all of
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 5: the causes and teams that they support, is that our
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 5: fans showed up and they showed out and they were
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 5: there four or five hours before the home games. Uh,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: the the plaza party out front of the Delta Center,
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 5: the watch parties at the Delta Center when the games
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: were on the road in Vegas, and and that that
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 5: really gave a whole other boost to the guys. I mean,
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 5: I thought, our in arena entertainment and our in arena
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 5: crew did an incredible job of putting on a spectacle
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 5: and a show of hyping things up to the next level.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 5: And of course the guys out on the ice went
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 5: out and did their thing and they found a way
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 5: to be a Stanley Cup contending team twice in that series.
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 5: And yeah, of course ended up losing in four games
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 5: in six games. But you know when I when I
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 5: look ahead to the offseason, you know, yes, there's gonna
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 5: be some movement no team, or I should say very
• 1:58:17
  Speaker 5: rarely and anominally would be where where a team stays
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 5: completely together. There's gonna be some unrestricted free agents, and
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 5: we'll see what it happens with those guys.
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  Speaker 9: Players like Alexander Kerfoot, who was really important to Utah's
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 9: penalty kill at some crucial times this season. You know,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 9: other questions, what's gonna happen to Ian Cole, an unbelievable
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 9: veteran defenseman who's won two Stanley Cups, And I thought
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 9: he played a real important role this year, not just
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 9: on the ice blocking shots and hitting everything that moves
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 9: and also being another fixture on the penalty kill, but
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 9: being a leader in the room and on the bench.
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 9: When when the young team that is the Utah Mammoth overall,
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 9: face some adversity, you gotta have guys like that. You know,
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 9: what's gonna happen to a Nick d Simone who I
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 9: thought came in at times and filled an important role.
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 9: And there was a stretch where you know, he sat
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 9: out for seven, eight, nine games and came in because
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 9: of an injury and you played so good you just
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 9: couldn't take them out. And I think he ended up
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 9: playing twelve or thirteen straight games.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 5: So you know, there's gonna be some question marks about
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 5: players that are they going to be resigned? How about
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 5: a restrictive free agent in Barrett Hayton, And you know,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 5: is he going to be here long term?
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  Speaker 9: So you know there are some questions, There are some
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 9: some some moves that are gonna need to be made,
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 9: whether it's it's players either being chosen not to not
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 9: to re sign, to resign, or going out and making
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 9: a trade or looking at free agency. And we'll see
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 9: how things play out. But you know, when you look
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 9: at the core of this roster, sean that the core
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 9: is good, They're getting better, and they're gonna be good
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 9: for a long time. Considering you've got Dylan Gunter and
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 9: Logan Cooley for the next seven and eight years. You've
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 9: got Clayton Keller, who is in my eyes, just entering
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 9: his prime. For a guy that's gonna be able to
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 9: give you eighty ninety points and of course be the
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 9: captain of the team. And lost and Krause, I mean,
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 9: what a year for him. And I don't think we
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 9: should we should underestimate the year that losson. Krause had
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 9: an immense bounce back season. And there's a reason why
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 9: he wears the A for the associate captain on this
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 9: club because of what he brings on the bench and
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 9: on the ice too. So overall, yes, I would expect
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 9: some movement.
• 2:00:23
  Speaker 5: You know, does does Bill Armstrong maybe go out and
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 5: try to get a little bit of size in the
• 2:00:28
  Speaker 5: top six? You know, well, We'll have to wait and
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 5: see how that plays out.
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  Speaker 9: You know, where where does he look to add? But
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 9: also you know, Sean, we we can't, we can't go
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 9: any further without talking how about some of these young
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 9: guys that are on the cusp and I'm talking about
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 9: the guys that aren't even a part of the Utah Mammoth.
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 9: When you think about Tja Ginlay, you think about Cole Botoin,
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 9: Dmitri Simmys Simyschev who we saw at times this year,
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 9: Maverick Lameru is is he really ready to take the
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 9: next step? So, you know, some of the guys that
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 9: that aren't even on the Mammoth roster right now, some
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 9: of the guys that are still in junior. You know,
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 9: we'll see how those guys push and see if they
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 9: can can try to make a name for themselves here
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 9: at development camp and then of course main camp in
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 9: the middle of September. But there's no doubt exciting year
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 9: last year, and the future is pretty blindingly bright for
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 9: the National Hockey League team here.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 2: In Utah, as we talk about, and it is all
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: guesswork for us right now, well for me it is.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: You probably have a better insight, but Uh, you know,
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: there's a there's a sort of cultural philosophy that takes
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 2: shape with every team, and it's it's fluid and you
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: can adjust it. I wonder how much there's a how
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 2: much leadership or veteran age you need on this team,
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 2: because there's there's a lot of young talent right and
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: that's a good thing for very obvious reasons. Some of
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: the playoff teams that are still active right now are
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: certainly they're older at their core, and they're older on
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: average than this Utah Mammoth team is. And part of
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: that is, you know, like some of them are reaching
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 2: the end of their windows and the Mammoth are just
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: now starting to open theirs. But if you are bringing
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: somebody in, even if it's not the top six, even
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: if it's not you know, first or second line type individual,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: how much value would there be for the Utah Mammoth
• 2:02:17
  Speaker 2: in going out and finding someone who is older, more experienced,
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 2: has been through the Stanley Cup playoffs a bunch of times,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: because they have that on the roster already with some
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: guys that are kind of young to mid young. There's
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 2: not like the obvious core of elder statesmen that are
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 2: able to bring up the young pups, I guess is
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say. So is that something that
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 2: they could add or is that a wasted effort when
• 2:02:43
  Speaker 2: it's better to let these guys maybe grow together.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, look, you've got some guys that have been
• 2:02:49
  Speaker 9: around and have played in the playoffs and won a
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 9: Stanley Cup. I mean I look at a guy like
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 9: Kevin Stenlin, who's you know, he's twenty nine years old,
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 9: but but you know, one the Stanley Cup with the
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 9: Floor or the Panthers, and and and a guy that knows,
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 9: you know, what it takes to win at that time
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 9: of the season. So while he may not be you know,
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 9: older in terms of you know, mid to late thirties,
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 9: and maybe like an Ian Cole, you know that that
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 9: is a guy I think that that would fit that
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 9: bracket that you're talking about there, Sean and and and
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 9: the kind of guy who is you know, super crucial
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 9: to this team because because I really don't think that
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 9: there's a better four F line center in the entire
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 9: National Hockey League. And and and that's going to be
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 9: another guy who who is is going to be looking
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 9: for a new contract. He's an unrestricted free agent once
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 9: this season ended. So you know, you look at guys
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 9: like that. You look at Nate Schmidt, who's who's still
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 9: under contract. He'll be here for the next couple of years,
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 9: two more years once this season uh.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: Ended, you know.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 9: And these are the types of guys that I think
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 9: it is so important to have good veterans on your team,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 9: not just because they know what it takes and they
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 9: can lead, and they can they can help themselves go
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 9: through those processes, but but to help the younger guys.
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 9: And it's not like, hey, let me show you how
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 9: to do it. Sometimes it's just it's having a calming
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 9: presence on the bench. You know, when you when you
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 9: go through some adversity during a game in the playoffs,
• 2:04:19
  Speaker 9: and and things that go a little bit haywire. And
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 9: and as a young guy, you you look to your left,
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 9: you look to your right, and you see two guys
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 9: that that have grizzled beards, there might be a little
• 2:04:29
  Speaker 9: gray in there, and uh and and and they're just
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 9: sitting there calm because it's not something that they haven't
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 9: seen before. It's not something that they have experienced before.
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 9: So it's it's those things. It's it's also helping the
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 9: players during the season. But I think another crucial part,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 9: you know, to kind of go a little bit inside
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 9: the game here is is during those important moments during
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 9: a playoff game, a playoff series. You know, playoffs is
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 9: so much tighter, you know, the rank shrinks so much,
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 9: less time, so much less space, a lot more physicality.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 9: For example, you know, if there's a guy that's that's
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 9: facing a situation where he's skating into the offensive zone
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 9: and he really doesn't have much support with him and
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 9: he's got two or three defenders in front of him,
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 9: you know, during the regular season, okay, maybe you know,
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 9: maybe you try to beat the guy and then beat
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 9: the second guy. You know, in the playoffs, you don't
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 9: beat that first guy, you're not going to get through
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 9: the second or the third layers. So that's where it
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 9: comes to decision making of just okay, I don't have
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 9: support with me. I'm just gonna chip the puck deep,
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 9: going to kill the clock, try to get in on
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 9: the for check and wait for my teammates to at
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 9: least give them a chance to try to come out.
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 9: Because if you turn it over there at the blue
• 2:05:40
  Speaker 9: line offensively, there's usually going to be an hopman Russia
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 9: a fast break the other way. So to me, it's
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 9: it's making smart plays like that because you've been in
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 9: this situation, and that's where I think veteran leadership both
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 9: at the at the the in the forward group as
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 9: well as the decor. That's why I think it is
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 9: so crucial to have those guys around because yes, of
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 9: course they're going to help behind the scenes, they're going
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 9: to remain calm and kind of talk some guys through
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 9: things on the bench during the heightened adversity of a
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 9: playoff series, but also to make those simple but very
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 9: crucial plays at crucial moments. I think that's a real
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 9: difference maker. And so we'll see, you know, Bill Armstrong
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 9: at a very veteran laden back end last year. You know,
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 9: we've already mentioned a couple of the guys, and we'll
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 9: see how that transforms with a couple of young pups
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 9: that we talked about earlier who were very much on
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 9: the cusp of wanting to break into this roster.
• 2:06:33
  Speaker 2: Nicole Chick our guests here on the Sean O'Connell Show,
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: recapping some things with the Utah Mammoth, who season, of
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: course is over as Stanley Cup playoffs continue. Of those
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: young pups, and you did throw some names out there,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 2: and there's maybe a couple more in the pipeline. Who
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: do you think is most likely to emerge as an
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: everyday staple next season?
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  Speaker 9: Boil boy, I think the name that comes to mind,
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  Speaker 9: I'll give you forward, and I'll give you a defenseman.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 9: The defenseman I'm I'm waiting for Dimitri Simyshev to really
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 9: take that next step. He's got all the tools. He's
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 9: six foot four, he can really skate. There's offensive instinct
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 9: there is it? Is it fifty to sixty points a
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 9: season type of offensive instinct? I'm not sure if maybe
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 9: it's that much, but he is the kind of guy
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  Speaker 9: that that is going to be able to make some
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  Speaker 9: things happen on the on the offensive side of the game.
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 9: And he proved for stretches this year that that yeah,
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 9: he's he's on the cusp. But to do it for
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  Speaker 9: five games in a row and then to do it
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 9: for fifty games in a row, there sean. That's that's
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 9: that's the big difference of being in every day, every
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  Speaker 9: game National Hockey League player and the only way he's
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 9: going to gain that experience is of course to play.
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  Speaker 9: But I give him a lot of credit is that
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  Speaker 9: when he was sent down to the American Hockey League
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  Speaker 9: after playing almost twenty games, and when he broke camp
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 9: with the team last year, you know, the points weren't there.
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  Speaker 9: The consistency I thought dropped a little bit as that
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 9: segment of games had gone on. Once he you know,
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 9: once he got to that twelve to nineteen game mark,
• 2:08:10
  Speaker 9: I thought, you know that the pace of play, you know,
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 9: dropped a bit from him. So he went down to
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  Speaker 9: the American Hockey League in Tucson, and I thought it
• 2:08:19
  Speaker 9: was the right decision because there he's not going to
• 2:08:23
  Speaker 9: be playing third pairing minutes, where he's playing twelve to
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 9: fourteen minutes a night, you know, like at times he
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 9: was in the NHL, you know, down there in the
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 9: American Hockey League, he's he is, he is a big
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 9: fish in a small pond. I mean, he's he's the
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 9: top pair guy. He's playing power play, he's playing penalty kill.
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  Speaker 9: And he ended up being an American League All Star
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  Speaker 9: and went to the All Star Game to represent the
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 9: Tucson road Runners and was playing in every situation. So
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 9: I think it's just like anything in life. You want
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 9: to get better at anything, you got to do it
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  Speaker 9: a lot. You got to get your reps, you got
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 9: to be put in high pressure situations, and you got
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 9: to have your limits really tested. And so I give
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  Speaker 9: him a lot of credit. I think the organization handled
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 9: that perfectly, knowing that, yeah, when you're on the cusp,
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 9: you want to play in the NHL. Of course, there's
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 9: no question about it, there's no doubt. But I thought
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  Speaker 9: the you know, the the mindset and the attitude that
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 9: he showed going down there. There was no pouting, there
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 9: was no you know, poopy pants, so to speak. He
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 9: went down there and and he performed well, and and
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 9: he put up points and put in every situation for Tucson.
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  Speaker 9: So I think that's another guy that's going to come
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  Speaker 9: to camp ready to go. UH And and I think
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 9: to look at a forward tag Againla really impressed me
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 9: last year. Sean He's he's finally back and healthy. It
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 9: was about a year ago he was dealing with some
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 9: lower body injuries. He had to have some procedures and
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 9: and he is. He had a heck of a year
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 9: this past season for Kelowna UH in the Western Hockey
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  Speaker 9: League up in the in the h L and you
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 9: know when I watched him in camp, uh, he is
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 9: assertive that that to me, is is the word that
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 9: really comes to mind describing tag Againla. There's not a
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 9: lot of perimeter with his game. Is he is he
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 9: six foot five? No, but he sure plays like if
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 9: he's not at all afraid to engage in the physical battle.
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 9: He wants to puck on his stick. He wants to battle.
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 9: And if he's going into a corner against another guy,
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 9: he's either coming out with the puck or the other
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 9: guy's leaving with a bruise and he's got the puck.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 9: So it's just you know, I think he is he
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  Speaker 9: is right there. We'll see the how he can manage
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 9: a camp. But the type of guy that that is
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 9: a real difference maker of both with his feet with
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 9: his brain. And all you need to do is type
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 9: in t I J TJ Againla on YouTube and just
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 9: watch some of those goals he scores. That's a that's
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 9: a twisted rister that he possesses. So it'd be really
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 9: exciting to see those two guys, among others that that
• 2:10:46
  Speaker 9: should make a real push to to make the opening
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 9: day roster at camp coming up next season.
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  Speaker 2: I want to stay with those two in particular for
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: a minute, because you know, there's always a leap when
• 2:10:57
  Speaker 2: you're climbing a level. For the guys you just mentioned,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: is it more getting physically ready, physically mature or is
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: it is it a mental capacity to the game because
• 2:11:07
  Speaker 2: they're they're not on the same spect size of that,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: they're not on the same level when it comes to
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: their own like individual physical size, but the difference in
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: how they play, the difference in position, et cetera. Is
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 2: it a physicality readiness or is it a mentality readiness
• 2:11:22
  Speaker 2: that you need to see these guys a cheap?
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  Speaker 9: I think it's bull shwan, I really do. I mean,
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  Speaker 9: you can make a case that it's that it's both,
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 9: you know, in terms of the the the mental part
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 9: of the game. I mean, I think that goes hand
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 9: in hand with with the physical part of the game.
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 9: And the one word that that that comes to mind
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 9: for me, you know, it's like, Okay, well, what makes
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 9: Clayton Keller the great player that he is? Well, you
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 9: know that you're going to get eighty or ninety points
• 2:11:45
  Speaker 9: out of him every regular season, like he's consistent in
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 9: that way, he knows what it takes every single game
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 9: to do something, and no, no two games are going
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 9: to be the same. Sometimes the buckets are bouncing your way,
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 9: so you got to adjust. Sometimes the opposition is taking
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 9: away certain play that you want. Okay, well, how can
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 9: you adapt? How can you adjust?
• 2:12:03
  Speaker 5: And for young players, the toughest thing to do is
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 5: to be as consistent as you can, but also make
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 5: these subtle little adaptations and adjustments throughout the course of
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 5: a game and and the season. So for both of
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 5: those guys, I think it goes hand in hand. And look,
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 5: I mean there's a there's a there's a tremendous training
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 5: staff with the Utah Mammoth of course down in the
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 5: American League as well, that are going to make sure
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 5: that these guys are doing all the things that they
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 5: need to do to keep their their bodies and their
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 5: minds in the best place possible. But for a young
• 2:12:32
  Speaker 5: guy trying to break into the NHL, there's gonna be
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 5: spurts where you show a lot of promise and things
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 5: are going your way. But to me, it's how you
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 5: handle the down times, It's how you handle the adversity
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 5: that that's that's found to come your way at some point.
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I think it's both. But for those guys
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 5: in particular, they have very unique skill sets in that
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 5: they were they were dominant at levels growing up when
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 5: they were teenagers and now when you know, again let's
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 5: still a teenager, and and Dmitry Simaschev breaking into is
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 5: his young twenties. You know, these are guys that that
• 2:13:06
  Speaker 5: I think do have the right mindset that they want
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 5: to play in the NHL. Uh, they want to be
• 2:13:10
  Speaker 5: difference makers at the Utah Mammoth. But but it is
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 5: a process, it is it's going to take time. You know,
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 5: there is a development, you know path that that these
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 5: guys are on. And if there's one thing that we've
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 5: seen throughout the years with the likes of Dylan Gunther
• 2:13:24
  Speaker 5: and company, is that Bill Armstrong, his development staff, his
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 5: scouting staff, they're not going to rush these guys along.
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 5: They're not just going to plug him into the Mammoths
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 5: just because it'll be a headline for a week. They
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 5: want to make sure that when these guys come is
• 2:13:38
  Speaker 5: that they're going to be ready and that they're going
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 5: to be able to play on a consistent basis. And
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 5: so I just I think that to the heart of
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 5: your question, is it more mental, is it more physical?
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 5: I really think it is the ultimate blend of both,
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 5: of of being able to prepare your body, prepare your
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 5: mind every day knowing that you're playing in the greatest
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 5: league in the world, yes, but also knowing that there's
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 5: there's some pretty darn good players on the other team
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 5: as well are looking to shut you down.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 9: And I've always thought that it's it's tougher for a
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 9: defenseman to break into the NHL just because of a
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 9: level of talent now and and and it's just it's
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 9: it's at an all time high. And so we'll see
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 9: how things play out. But if I'm a Utah Mammoth
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  Speaker 9: fan and I'm part of Mammoth Nation, uh, those are
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 9: those are two guys, along with a few others, Kayla
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 9: Denoye and another Cole Bodwin is another Maverick Lamaroue, a
• 2:14:24
  Speaker 9: guy that we've seen a little bit here the last
• 2:14:26
  Speaker 9: couple of years. You know, those are those are some
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 9: pretty important guys moving forward, and so it's safe to
• 2:14:32
  Speaker 9: say that the Mammoths are in good hands for years
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 9: to come.
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  Speaker 2: We watched the NHL Draft lottery play out last week
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: and Toronto gets pick number one. San Jose, who I'm
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: already here in their footsteps. San Jose gets picked number two. Fourth.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 2: You in a row, they're drafting in the top four.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 2: How how bothered by that should I be? Because they
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 2: do well with their draft picks.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, look, I'm at Sean. I don't know
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 9: if i'd stay bothered. Look teams that that are on
• 2:15:06
  Speaker 9: the cusp uh that I think you mentioned it perfectly,
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 9: that that that you're hearing footsteps, and and you should
• 2:15:12
  Speaker 9: because the San Jose Sharks, I think have have done
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 9: an awesome job the last couple of years of picking
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 9: the right players. And look, they've got a generational talent
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 9: in Macklin Celebrini, who very well could be the next
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 9: Sydney Grosby. I mean, for how he performed at the Olympics,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 9: for the season that he had with the San Jose Sharks,
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 9: you know, all year he was my he was my
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 9: Heart Trophy nominee. Even if the Sharks didn't make the playoffs,
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 9: which they didn't, they weren't even within a window of
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 9: or a lick up being close with without the performance
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 9: that he had a boatload more points than than the
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 9: guy who finished in second and Will Smith, and that's
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 9: a young team. They they hope that they found their
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 9: goaltender of the future. They've got a really solid young
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 9: decor as well with some offensive up side and Sam
• 2:16:00
  Speaker 9: Dickinson who's a stunt on the back end. And then
• 2:16:02
  Speaker 9: you look at the forward group, you know, cele It
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 9: Breeni and Will Smith and you can go on down
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 9: the line that that's going to be a scary team
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 9: for years to come. And they just didn't quite have
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 9: it towards the end of the year to be able
• 2:16:14
  Speaker 9: to break in. But hey, they they they they got
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 9: the they got the bounce, they got the lottery pick.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 9: They're going to be picking second. And and finally, uh
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 9: you mentioned the Toronto Maple Leafs.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 5: Some good news up.
• 2:16:26
  Speaker 9: There in Leafland, not only bringing in Matt Sundeen uh
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 9: to to run that to help run the show there
• 2:16:33
  Speaker 9: in Toronto, also bringing in John Chica as well as
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 9: as their general manager. You know, they're hoping that their
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 9: future can can turn around. But anytime you start with
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 9: a number one overall pick, that's a that's a good
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 9: thing for the organization. And finally, some positivity to talk
• 2:16:49
  Speaker 9: about for the Toronto Maple Leafs. Considering it was, it
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 9: was a pretty rough year for them on the ice,
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 9: and of course in the the the hotbed of hockey
• 2:16:57
  Speaker 9: media that is the mecca of of the the idiot Toronto.
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 9: So you know, we'll see how things play out there.
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 9: But for the San Jose Sharks, that's that's a young
• 2:17:05
  Speaker 9: team and exciting team with some some really amazing building
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 9: pieces for a long time to come.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: Now that you're a fully adopted Utah and are you
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: pumped about the Utah Jazz picking number two in the
• 2:17:17
  Speaker 2: upcoming NBA draft lottery, I.
• 2:17:19
  Speaker 9: Think it's great. I think it's a long time coming.
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 9: I uh, in terms of the unfortunate luck last year
• 2:17:26
  Speaker 9: in the lottery. I'm still learning basketball, Sean, I really really.
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 9: I grew up. Hockey was my life. Baseball is my
• 2:17:35
  Speaker 9: my summer sport. You know, paid attention to to soccer
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 9: as well. But I'm still trying to learn the ropes
• 2:17:40
  Speaker 9: of basketball. But but I know that two is better
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 9: than three, and two is better than four and all
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 9: the way down the line. So I'm I'm hoping. I'm
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 9: hoping that they can I'm hoping that they can draft
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 9: a real difference maker and someone that's going to be
• 2:17:52
  Speaker 9: to be able to help them win. Because I've talked
• 2:17:54
  Speaker 9: to some people, I don't know if this is informed
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 9: or uninformed, but it seems like there's a lot of
• 2:17:59
  Speaker 9: reason and a lot of cause for excitement next year
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 9: for the Utah Jazz and hopefully they can they can
• 2:18:04
  Speaker 9: bring in a young stud at number two to compliment
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 9: the likes of Glory marking In and Keyante George. The
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 9: future seems bright there as well, and so hopefully they
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 9: can get someone that can that can be a difference
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 9: maker at number two.
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: Listen to that Nicole Chick in a pinch, he could
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: be doing some jazz talk for us. But we'll lean
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: on you for the Utah Man. Again, thanks for joining
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: us today. You guys have done an incredible job all
• 2:18:31
  Speaker 2: year long, and you're helping us learn hockey I think
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: at a lot faster rate than any of us would
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: be able to without you. So thanks for your time again, Nick,
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 2: appreciate you.
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 9: Yeah, thank you, Sean. Always always a pleasure being on
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 9: with you, and I know I speak for myself and
• 2:18:47
  Speaker 9: our entire broadcast team that we just want to say
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 9: thank you to all of our incredible fans who tuned in,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 9: and at the end of the day, we're here to
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 9: do two things, and that's inform and entertain because there's
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 9: a lot of reasons why people tune in to watch
• 2:18:59
  Speaker 9: the Utah Amos. You might be having a bad day,
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 9: you might love hockey, you might love Clayton Keller, you
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 9: might just be bored on a Friday night at home,
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 9: and we're here for you. So thank you for the time,
• 2:19:11
  Speaker 9: for the kind words, and looking forward to enjoying a
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 9: great summer and being back at it in September.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: Great stuff as always from Nick ol Chick. You can
• 2:19:20
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  Speaker 2: USA as well. With the NHL playoffs continue. In the NHL,
• 2:19:28
  Speaker 2: I still haven't seen anything that makes me believe anyone's
• 2:19:32
  Speaker 2: going to be able to knock off Colorado, although Minnesota
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: is able to claw one away from them in that series.
• 2:19:37
  Speaker 2: First time that Colorado had lost has lost in this
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 2: postseason comes in the second round to the Minnesota Wild. So, man,
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: let's jump back into the NBA discussion. If you're just
• 2:19:50
  Speaker 2: tuning in, we spent the first couple hours of the
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 2: show talking about the Utah Jazz with the good news
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: this weekend NBA Draft lottery they will pick number two.
• 2:20:01
  Speaker 2: But what does it actually look like? What does it
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 2: actually mean? We'll start to build the case that will
• 2:20:06
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  Speaker 2: here in a bit, James, did you figure out who
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  Speaker 2: what the ejected player was? The rejected All Star player
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  Speaker 2: was in two thousand and sorry, in the nineteen ninety
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: seven nineteen ninety eight playoffs.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, so I did not because trick question, there wasn't
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 3: anyone ejected in those playoffs. So the reason why the
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 3: reason why the language in the articles are saying since
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 3: ninety seven ninety eight is because that's when the NBA
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 3: started tracking like what quarters, when people were, what play
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 3: games people were ejected before that, So we don't have
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 3: that data.
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  Speaker 4: So that's that's what that was.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 3: I was able to find that out, but I did
• 2:21:39
  Speaker 3: see in the in ESPN's article about Wemby being ejected
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 3: last night, it does say that teams are one in
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: eight when they're when one of their all stars is
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 3: ejected before the fourth quarter of a playoff game, and
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 3: trying to find the list a little bit tough to
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 3: find the list, but I did find one that included
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: guys that were that. The nine guys that did that
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 3: that were ejected before the fourth quarter of playoff games
• 2:22:16
  Speaker 3: were guys that weren't all stars that particular season. For example,
• 2:22:20
  Speaker 3: Draymond Green in twenty twenty two was was ejected from
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 3: and twenty twenty three was ejected from games for flagrant
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 3: two fouls before the fourth quarter. That the twenty twenty
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: two season, for example, was the one was the only
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: time that the team went on to win the game.
• 2:22:40
  Speaker 3: So the Golden State Warriors in twenty twenty two were
• 2:22:43
  Speaker 3: the only team they able to overcome an All Star
• 2:22:45
  Speaker 3: being a and also like Draymond Green being ejected before
• 2:22:49
  Speaker 3: the fourth quarter. So that's Rashid Wallace should come as
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 3: no surprise. It happened three times in his playoff career.
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: All Right, the Utah Jazz has won the lottery in
• 2:23:02
  Speaker 2: their own way. They didn't win it overall. They took
• 2:23:04
  Speaker 2: second place, which is better than their their odds on
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 2: pick would be. The Utah Jazz will be number two
• 2:23:13
  Speaker 2: in the upcoming NBA Draft. It is a deep draft.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: The current projections are rolling things out saying aj Debontson
• 2:23:22
  Speaker 2: number one to the Washington Wizards, Darren Peterson number two
• 2:23:25
  Speaker 2: to the Utah Jazz camp loser, sometime after that, Caleb Wilson,
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: Kingston Flemings, etcetera, etcetera. Now I'm not yet ready to
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: accept the projections because A that's all they are, and
• 2:23:38
  Speaker 2: B there's there's too much of a soap opera background
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: here for me to just say, oh, yeah, the Utah
• 2:23:46
  Speaker 2: Jazz are just going to take whoever the best player
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: available is at number two. There's been a concerted push
• 2:23:55
  Speaker 2: for aj Debontsa to be in these of Ryan Smith,
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 2: who is the Utah Jazz owner on some level since
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 2: high school Utah Prep. BYU. Now you're tantalizingly close to
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 2: bringing him into your professional organization as a member of
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 2: the Utah Jazz if you can somehow convince the Washington
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 2: Wizards not to draft him, or more likely you move
• 2:24:22
  Speaker 2: up and you take him at number one. I'm listening
• 2:24:26
  Speaker 2: to any in all cases why that would be too expensive,
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 2: Any in all cases, why that's not the right move
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: that Darren Peterson. Darren Peterson is the only prospect in
• 2:24:36
  Speaker 2: the top three that there's any kind of real question about,
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: and where you think it's an attitude problem or a
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 2: health problem, it's still a problem potentially with Darren Peterson.
• 2:24:47
  Speaker 2: So there's just all of this smoke and fire. And
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 2: Bill self didn't understand the problem and was like clearly
• 2:24:53
  Speaker 2: not happy with his player during the season. And I
• 2:24:56
  Speaker 2: think he got a satisfactory explanation at some point during
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 2: that Kansas season, because then he started to talk glowingly
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 2: about Darren Peterson and called him a Jim rat and
• 2:25:04
  Speaker 2: said nobody works harder than this kid does. But he
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 2: was very clearly frustrated during many of the absences that
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: we saw from Darren Peterson in that Kansas season, and
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 2: they were hard to explain. Well, the explanation that has
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 2: come out is hard to accept, but I will defer
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 2: to the medical professionals out there eight seven seven three
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 2: five three zero seven hundred if you want a weigh
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 2: in that you know he thought creating supplementation is what
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: was causing him to cramp. He had too much creatine.
• 2:25:33
  Speaker 2: He has unnaturally high levels of creatine in his body,
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 2: and then apparently he was also taking creatine which caused
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: the problems. Okay, if you take it at face value,
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: it's still hard to understand because why wouldn't you evaluate
• 2:25:46
  Speaker 2: nutrition and supplementation as one of the very first things.
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 2: We had Sarah Todda on the show earlier, and she said, look,
• 2:25:53
  Speaker 2: it takes a lot of time to figure out when
• 2:25:56
  Speaker 2: when you don't really know what's going on. It takes
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: a lot of time to figure out what's going on
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 2: internal medicine. And maybe I should be a little bit
• 2:26:02
  Speaker 2: more understanding of that. I just have a hard time
• 2:26:10
  Speaker 2: believing that the and maybe I'm just up in the
• 2:26:14
  Speaker 2: night here. Maybe we are all wrong about our assumptions
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: that it was Ryan Smith who is the driving force
• 2:26:19
  Speaker 2: behind Aj Debonsa to BYU and AJ Debonsa having links
• 2:26:23
  Speaker 2: to Utah Prep and all that stuff. Maybe we're wrong.
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's like the silent, the quiet donors down at
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 2: BYU that really facilitated that thing, and we should take
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: the explanations when people in like Jonathan Tabernari, you said, look,
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 2: it's not Ryan Smith that is pushing BYU basketball the
• 2:26:42
  Speaker 2: way you think it is. Well, the very reliable sources
• 2:26:46
  Speaker 2: have told me that Ryan Smith is incredibly hands on
• 2:26:49
  Speaker 2: with BYU basketball. One of the most important things that's
• 2:26:52
  Speaker 2: happened with BYU basketball in recent years is Aj Debonsa
• 2:26:55
  Speaker 2: going and playing his college basketball at BYU. Now, I
• 2:27:00
  Speaker 2: will allow for the possibility that one or both parties
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: in that relationship left the season unsatisfied. That maybe they
• 2:27:10
  Speaker 2: were like, hey, you know what, AJ didn't drag us
• 2:27:13
  Speaker 2: to a Final four like we thought he would. AJ
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 2: didn't help us overcome the injuries as much as we
• 2:27:18
  Speaker 2: thought he should. AJ is not the player we thought.
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's the sense anyone came away from
• 2:27:24
  Speaker 2: the BYU season with It was disappointing because of injuries
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: to other players. It was disappointing because you didn't have
• 2:27:32
  Speaker 2: the full recipe in order to have a great season.
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: But I think that everyone was happy with what Aj
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 2: did for BYU and if you have a relationship with
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 2: the player, if you think this guy is a good
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 2: fit for you culturally, if we think that this guy
• 2:27:45
  Speaker 2: likes the state of Utah and is more likely to
• 2:27:48
  Speaker 2: re sign and stay with the Utah Jazz long term
• 2:27:51
  Speaker 2: than another potential superstar in this draft, like a Darren Peterson,
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 2: maybe even like a Cam Boozer, like a Caleb Wilson.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: To me, that is a reason at least to kick
• 2:28:01
  Speaker 2: the tires on the possibility of drafting him. But maybe
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: you know, Darren Peterson plays the position you need. Maybe
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: Darren Peterson is a better fit for you. The soap
• 2:28:12
  Speaker 2: opera will continue. I have a hard hard time thinking
• 2:28:16
  Speaker 2: that what emotional and actual investment that the governing owner
• 2:28:24
  Speaker 2: of the Utah Jazz has already put into Aj Debonce's
• 2:28:27
  Speaker 2: career is just going to be easy to walk away
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: from when he is right there. Maybe you don't make
• 2:28:35
  Speaker 2: the trade, but you absolutely have to explore the possibility
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 2: of a trade, especially when the reports are coming out
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: immediately that Washington will entertain those offers. James made a
• 2:28:46
  Speaker 2: strong case why it's the wrong reason or why it's
• 2:28:48
  Speaker 2: the wrong move to make. Why you should just assume
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: that you're going to get a star at one, two
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: or three, and you take whoever's there, and that's probably
• 2:28:59
  Speaker 2: going to be there, Peterson, according to all the projections
• 2:29:03
  Speaker 2: aj debonceon you see the Washington market. Evaluating aj Debonce's
• 2:29:07
  Speaker 2: facial expression when he found out that the Washington Wizards
• 2:29:10
  Speaker 2: were picking number one, he didn't look overly happy. Does
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 2: that mean he wants to be in Utah? Does that
• 2:29:16
  Speaker 2: mean he feels better about being in Utah? I think
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: he's just happy to be the number one overall pick,
• 2:29:21
  Speaker 2: and Washington, DC's a pretty cool place. I don't think
• 2:29:24
  Speaker 2: aj Debonce is only married to the possibility of staying here.
• 2:29:29
  Speaker 2: I do think it's more likely though, the Utah Jazz
• 2:29:31
  Speaker 2: want him. And the big question is if you're close
• 2:29:36
  Speaker 2: to getting him, and if it can be something that
• 2:29:39
  Speaker 2: you can afford, do you do it just because you
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: love it? Do you buy the car just because you
• 2:29:46
  Speaker 2: know what I've always dreamed of? Have in that car.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: When I was sixteen, I put a Porsche poster on
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 2: my wall and said, someday I'm gonna own a Porsche.
• 2:29:55
  Speaker 2: Someday I'm gonna drive that thing. Yeah, there's better cars
• 2:29:58
  Speaker 2: out there. Yes, I could drive a Corvette instead and
• 2:30:03
  Speaker 2: it would be equally fun. But that's the one that
• 2:30:06
  Speaker 2: I that's my mind's eye always had that picture in it,
• 2:30:10
  Speaker 2: and that's what I want. Does that actually play into
• 2:30:13
  Speaker 2: this at all? I don't know. I don't know if
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 2: Ryan Smith is going to assert his influence to that level,
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 2: and I don't know if he is willing to assert
• 2:30:21
  Speaker 2: his influence to that level, if that is what the
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 2: priority would be for him, or maybe he loves Darren
• 2:30:28
  Speaker 2: Peterson even more than he loves aj Debosa. And I'm
• 2:30:30
  Speaker 2: making these points for no reason at all. The good
• 2:30:34
  Speaker 2: news is the Utah Jazz are picking number two, not
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 2: number five, not number six, not number seven, where you
• 2:30:40
  Speaker 2: can maybe get something that's franchised changing. You're picking at
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 2: two and you're not going to trade back unless you
• 2:30:50
  Speaker 2: go get Giannis. Facetiously jokingly, you're picking it too, which
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 2: means you're supposed to have a franchise changing talent in
• 2:31:00
  Speaker 2: that range. One of them is a guy who played
• 2:31:04
  Speaker 2: his high school and college ball in the state of Utah,
• 2:31:07
  Speaker 2: one of them is the son of a former All
• 2:31:11
  Speaker 2: Star on your team who now works in your front office,
• 2:31:14
  Speaker 2: Cam Boozer, and the other the most likely pick is
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 2: a guy that a lot of people think might actually
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 2: be the most talented player in this draft, who probably
• 2:31:24
  Speaker 2: is a better positional fit, but in my mind has
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 2: some serious questions about whether or not he is the
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: right player for your franchise. That, ladies and gentlemen makes
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 2: for a very interesting pre draft process and a very
• 2:31:41
  Speaker 2: fascinating draft when it happens at the end of June.
• 2:31:46
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  Speaker 2: number two in the upcoming NBA Draft.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, it's massive, it really is. I don't want to
• 2:34:46
  Speaker 12: say the final piece to a complete puzzle. But the
• 2:34:49
  Speaker 12: one thing that this roster doesn't have right now, unless
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 12: you believe Ace Bailey can potentially turn into it, is
• 2:34:56
  Speaker 12: simply a top ten to fifteen player. I mean, most
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 12: of the pre season rank lists will have Lowry Marketing
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 12: and Jaron Jackson Junior probably around twenty.
• 2:35:05
  Speaker 10: And that's fine. They're really good.
• 2:35:07
  Speaker 12: And I know everybody points to the Detroit Pistons in
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 12: two thousand and four as an example of a team
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 12: that won a championship without a superstar player, but congrats,
• 2:35:16
  Speaker 12: you found one example over the course of seventy years.
• 2:35:19
  Speaker 12: You know, you've got to have a shay Lebron in
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 12: his prime, a Luca You've got to have a guy
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 12: like that, a Victor wemb min Yama, and I don't
• 2:35:28
  Speaker 12: know what Washington is going to do. My guess is
• 2:35:30
  Speaker 12: they just go AJ. I don't think you should overthink it.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 12: I think AJ is probably the number one overall pick.
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 12: But if you go back and watch Darren Peterson high
• 2:35:39
  Speaker 12: school and AAU tape, it is insane how impressive he
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 12: is as a prospect and a lot of people believe
• 2:35:46
  Speaker 12: that when this thing is fully baked and these guys
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 12: are fully developed, Darren's going to be the better player
• 2:35:50
  Speaker 12: than AJ. I don't know that I necessarily agree with that,
• 2:35:54
  Speaker 12: and I have no idea what the Jazzer are going
• 2:35:56
  Speaker 12: to do. I'm out to some guests for the podcast
• 2:35:59
  Speaker 12: this week to kind of get a better idea of
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 12: what they're thinking. But if Washington goes to Bonsa, I
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 12: just think you go Peterson, and then you may have
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 12: drafted a guy then in three to four years is
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 12: one of the top elite wings in pro basketball. And
• 2:36:13
  Speaker 12: if that, if that takes place, if that actually transpires, Look,
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 12: there have been plenty of high level prospects over the years.
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 12: There were thought to be franchise changing pieces that never
• 2:36:25
  Speaker 12: worked out.
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 10: I mean, this stuff is not easy to do.
• 2:36:28
  Speaker 12: And there's some stuff about Darren Peter like it it
• 2:36:31
  Speaker 12: took you six months to come up with the creatine
• 2:36:33
  Speaker 12: excuse huh, Like, okay, dude, you know there's some stuff
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 12: there that's a little cloudy, but strictly from an athletic
• 2:36:41
  Speaker 12: profile and the potential excuse me, of what Darren Peterson
• 2:36:45
  Speaker 12: could be in three to five years.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 10: I just think you.
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 12: Go with whoever Washington doesn't take out of Debonce and Peterson,
• 2:36:52
  Speaker 12: and either of those two guys fit in brilliantly with
• 2:36:56
  Speaker 12: the way this roster is constructed. So look, it's a
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 12: massive well I talked about it on Friday, Like you,
• 2:37:01
  Speaker 12: if we are sitting there on Monday, sitting here on
• 2:37:05
  Speaker 12: Monday and talking about a top four pick, then we've
• 2:37:07
  Speaker 12: got a team next year that's gonna be a lot
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 12: of fun. If they're out of the if they're out
• 2:37:10
  Speaker 12: of the top four, then we're still kind of spinning
• 2:37:13
  Speaker 12: our wheels. So, first time in forty six years they've
• 2:37:16
  Speaker 12: had a top two pick. The last time they did
• 2:37:18
  Speaker 12: it was Daryl Griffith. It was an awesome player for
• 2:37:20
  Speaker 12: a decade. Austin Inge talked last night about wanting this
• 2:37:23
  Speaker 12: young player to be in Utah for the long haul,
• 2:37:26
  Speaker 12: which brings in Cameron Boozer to play because obviously as
• 2:37:29
  Speaker 12: Pop works for the team. So look, the bottom line is,
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 12: there's nothing bad about this. Danny Ainge once upon a
• 2:37:36
  Speaker 12: time famously traded the number one pick to Philly and said,
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 12: go ahead and take Markel, folks, I dare you, We're
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 12: just gonna take Jason Tatum and Danny's good at this,
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 12: He's got a track record that shows he'll make the
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 12: right decision.
• 2:37:48
  Speaker 10: Obviously Austin involved as well.
• 2:37:49
  Speaker 12: So massive, massive moment, historical moment, and I'm pumped for
• 2:37:54
  Speaker 12: Jazz basketball next year sentence I haven't said in like
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 12: five years.
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: Is there any rational, emotional fairy tale element to this
• 2:38:04
  Speaker 2: where you've had a vision for Aj Debonsa, you own
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: the team and you tell your guys go make that
• 2:38:11
  Speaker 2: happen no matter what.
• 2:38:13
  Speaker 12: Well, it's a really good question, and that depends on
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 12: where Washington is at with this, because you know, one
• 2:38:19
  Speaker 12: of the things that has been floated around is if
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 12: you think Aj Debonsa is Kevin Durant two point zero,
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 12: and you've done your calculation, you've talked to him, you know,
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 12: off the record, and he's committed to playing here, signing here,
• 2:38:35
  Speaker 12: and being here long term, then you could do worse
• 2:38:39
  Speaker 12: than calling up Washington and saying, hey, let's flip you
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 12: take two, I'll take one. We'll give you ace, you know,
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 12: and that's a lot. That's a lot to give up
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 12: because they like Ace. But if you're Washington, you're holding
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 12: all the you're holding the cards, Okay, you got the
• 2:38:51
  Speaker 12: ace in the hole. The Jazz have to call them
• 2:38:54
  Speaker 12: Washington unless there is some sort of scenario like there
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 12: was in the Markel Folks Jason Tatum draft, or maybe
• 2:39:02
  Speaker 12: Washington loves Peterson and they don't want to tell the Jazz,
• 2:39:06
  Speaker 12: so like, yeah, go ahead, give us Ace Bailey and
• 2:39:08
  Speaker 12: the number two pick. You take number one, and then
• 2:39:11
  Speaker 12: Washington gets what they want. Anyway, if the Jazz go
• 2:39:13
  Speaker 12: to bonsas so, a lot of moving pieces. And I
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  Speaker 12: wouldn't be surprised if we hear conversation leading up to
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  Speaker 12: June twenty third about the Jazz kicking the tires with Washington,
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  Speaker 12: because to your point, and I do believe it to
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  Speaker 12: be true.
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  Speaker 10: I think they want AJ, and I think AJ wants Utah.
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  Speaker 12: If you saw the video last night when it was
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  Speaker 12: announced that Washington was number one pick, it looked like
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  Speaker 12: somebody went up to AJ and say, hey, hey, your
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  Speaker 12: dog just died.
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  Speaker 10: Like he looked so bumped out. That surprised me, honestly, Yeah,
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  Speaker 10: he looked bumped.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's not wise to like overanalyze body language
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  Speaker 2: and facial expressions and situations like that, but I mean,
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  Speaker 2: a guy who is projected to be either the number
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  Speaker 2: one or number two overall pick should have a smile
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  Speaker 2: on his face, and he didn't.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, it was like a at least it's not Sacramento. Look,
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  Speaker 12: you know so so I look, I'm sure because these
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  Speaker 12: guys are talking about the scenes all the time. I
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  Speaker 12: wouldn't be surprised if Ace AJ's father has already started
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  Speaker 12: lobbying the Jazz to try and make him play for
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  Speaker 12: that number one pick. But again, Washington's got to play ball.
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  Speaker 12: It's up to them.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure there will be lots of talk about it,
• 2:40:23
  Speaker 2: not only today on The Drive, but for the next
• 2:40:26
  Speaker 2: several weeks on The Sean O'Connell Show and The Drive.
• 2:40:30
  Speaker 2: Exciting times for professional sports in the state of Utah.
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 2: Mammoth in a really good spot, and Jazz with this
• 2:40:36
  Speaker 2: number two draft pick and a nice little core of
• 2:40:39
  Speaker 2: players I think, finally in a really good spot. So
• 2:40:43
  Speaker 2: stay tuned for The Drive with Spence Chickens. Thanks for
• 2:40:45
  Speaker 2: listening to the Sean O'Connell Show. We'll do it again tomorrow.
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