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AFP - Ohio's Nuclear Roundtable · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: oh five. In the meantime, Welcome Back Every Wednesday. At
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Speaker 1: this time you get here from Donovan and Neil wearing
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Speaker 1: some form of Americans for Prosperity cap. Today he's got
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Speaker 1: his Senior Advisor for AFP Action in Ohio. Hat on.
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Speaker 1: Welcome Back, Donovan, sounds like we've got some pretty positive
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Speaker 1: news to talk about this morning.
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Speaker 2: Well, actually, sorry, I got you wrong there this morning, Brian.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually with AFP. I'm doing my normal job.
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Speaker 3: Just okay, how we make Ohio a bolder, better Buckeye state.
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Speaker 1: Well then I'll just put AFP there. I'll just see,
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Speaker 1: just put AFP instead of the Senior Advisor AFP Action.
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Speaker 1: You got a lot of hats, Donovan. That's I think
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Speaker 1: that we just need to douse the guy. You are
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Speaker 1: lots going on in the state of ohim including, Hey,
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Speaker 1: something I have been clamoring for now, for years and
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Speaker 1: years and years. The answer to everyone's problem in so
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Speaker 1: far as energy generate is concerned. Something that produces massive
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Speaker 1: quantities of energy, been around a long time and doesn't
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Speaker 1: produce carbon dioxide if you care about it, Nuclear power. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: Thomas is talking about it again. But so was the
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Speaker 1: Road to Prosperity Nuclear roundtable that took place in Perry
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Speaker 1: this week. This is where I think we've got some
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Speaker 1: positive information to talk about this morning, Donovan.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, and actually this roundtable we did it was in
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Speaker 3: northeast Ohio, right outside of where the Perry Nuclear Power Plant.
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Speaker 3: We have two of them, Perry and Davis Bessy up there.
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Speaker 3: And we did this with State Senator Jerry Serino. And actually,
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Speaker 3: you know, we started the conversation he'd getrafted a op
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Speaker 3: ed talking about the need for nuclear to solve some
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Speaker 3: of our energy challenges, many of our energy challenges in
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Speaker 3: this country, and how Ohio could be a leader on it.
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Speaker 3: And so we took that signal and say, hey, let's
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Speaker 3: do a roundtable. Let's bring you know, folks from PJAM,
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Speaker 3: which is the grid we live within here in Ohio.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring regulators like the PUCO chair Jennifer French, Let's
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Speaker 3: bring some other legislators, Let's bring a business community. Data
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Speaker 3: centers are a big topic of conversation. Meta had a
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Speaker 3: senior member there at the roundtable, along with a number
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Speaker 3: of other really good folks, the Business Roundtable, the Chamber,
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Speaker 3: Buckeye Institute, and let's actually figure out, like, why aren't
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Speaker 3: we getting nuclear energy off the ground here in the
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Speaker 3: state of Ohio. What's it going to take to get
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Speaker 3: that done? And so it was a great most of
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Speaker 3: the day conversation working through that.
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Speaker 1: Well, Donovan, I think the better question is to ask,
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Speaker 1: what's the problem with bringing nuclear energy into Ohio. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is a technology and it has evolved so dramatically.
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Speaker 1: We're not stuck with three mile Island one off plants anymore.
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Speaker 1: We've got these small modular reactor concepts. We got the
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Speaker 1: whole idea of building one type of plant and you know,
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Speaker 1: doing the exact same type of plants someplace else makes sense.
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Speaker 1: A proven, tried and true operating facility can be used
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Speaker 1: as a model for another one. Duh, this is all simple,
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Speaker 1: normal kind of things. It doesn't produce carbon dioxide. For
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Speaker 1: those people screaming about gumu, Oh my god, we're all
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Speaker 1: gonna die because of Coe too. Guess what you get
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Speaker 1: more power from a smaller footprint and no carbon dioxide.
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Speaker 1: Do you hear anything at all from the environmentalists on this.
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Speaker 1: I'm wondering what the objection is other than oh my god,
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Speaker 1: we're going to be glowing in the dark and screams
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Speaker 1: about three Mile Island or chure Noble or the Fukushima
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Speaker 1: nuclear reactor plan who some idiot decided they should put
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Speaker 1: and build it into a tsunami zone. Donovan, what's the
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Speaker 1: problem with nuclear?
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, the thing I point out to folks
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Speaker 3: who say that is I say, you know, there's also
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Speaker 3: people who have problems with coal, Right. They don't want
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Speaker 3: you know, the carbon emissions, you know, even as minimal
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Speaker 3: as they are today, anywhere near their homes.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: They have the same problem with wind. They don't want
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Speaker 3: the windmills in their backyard, the soul panels. The problem
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Speaker 3: isn't I think exclusive to nuclear. Certainly they talk about
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Speaker 3: safety and safety as an element and anything we do,
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Speaker 3: but it's safer than it's ever been. Yeah, we operate
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Speaker 3: off we're operating off in nineteen seventies mentalities around technology
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Speaker 3: when we're fitifty years advanced in terms of safety, technology
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Speaker 3: and how this stuff works. The reality is Brian people
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Speaker 3: want progress. They don't want another their own backyard, and
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Speaker 3: I think we just have to start calling that out
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Speaker 3: more and more and saying, look, if you want to
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Speaker 3: see your energy bills go down, if you want to
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Speaker 3: see jobs come back to this country and the state,
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Speaker 3: if you want to see opportunity present itself, we have
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Speaker 3: to be comfortable recognizing that anything we do comes with
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Speaker 3: some level of risk. But the reality is that risk
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Speaker 3: today is far minimal than it was fifty to seventy
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Speaker 3: five years ago when this technology was emergent.
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Speaker 1: Right when I go back to the very small footprint
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Speaker 1: and the massive quantity of power you can get out
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Speaker 1: of one of these, it isn't like they're going to
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Speaker 1: have to pop up every single place. It isn't like
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Speaker 1: you have thousands of acres of windmills. It don't have
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Speaker 1: to look at the eyesore of that. This is, you know, again,
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Speaker 1: a small footprint. You build it in an otherwise predominantly
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Speaker 1: manufacturing area of town where you won't have to worry
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Speaker 1: about nimby lawsuits, and the power can be sent to
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Speaker 1: elsewhere with the properly servicing and functioning grid. And you know,
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Speaker 1: if you don't like your electricity bills, somebody's going to
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Speaker 1: get a nuclear plant, you know. I mean, I've already
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Speaker 1: volunteered my backyard. Apparently the small amount of fraction of
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Speaker 1: an acres I have in the backyard isn't big enough
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Speaker 1: to put SMR on it. But I wouldn't be screaming
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Speaker 1: nimby if they tried to put one in my neighborhood.
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Speaker 1: Why cause there's no problem or no challenges presented by it.
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Speaker 1: I might get cheaper power. I mean, there's there's nothing
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Speaker 1: but good to come from these. So you know, somebody's
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Speaker 1: gonna have to capitulate on this whole Nimby thing.
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Speaker 3: Well, and I think yeah, and I think you know,
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Speaker 3: so there's that, right, And there's always any time you
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Speaker 3: try to do anything, there's always going to be a
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Speaker 3: couple of people, right. It's usually two or three loudest
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Speaker 3: community members. I've got where I live in Mansfield. They're
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Speaker 3: putting a Buckey's in and I'm alloted to find the
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Speaker 3: other day that there is a there's a handful of
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Speaker 3: books opposed to that happening, you know, so there's always going.
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Speaker 2: To be people complaining.
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Speaker 3: But you know, beyond that, the challenge really lies at
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Speaker 3: the federal level. We need the federal government to move
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Speaker 3: these projects along, to give them the approval because unlike
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Speaker 3: any of form of energy we under we learned on Monday,
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Speaker 3: nuclear has this has more oversight from the federal government
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Speaker 3: through NURK than your other forms of energy generation.
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Speaker 2: Given the nature of it.
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Speaker 1: Is that a cold war? Is that a Cold war relic? Donovan?
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Speaker 1: Do we really need that much federal regulation?
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Speaker 3: Well, I think, you know, as a or representing an
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Speaker 3: organization that's all about getting government out of the way,
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Speaker 3: I think that's an important question to ask our senators
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Speaker 3: and congressmen. And really, you know, the Trump administration, as
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Speaker 3: I understand it, has been very vocal in their supportive
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Speaker 3: moving nuclear.
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Speaker 2: But you've got to get it.
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Speaker 3: From you know, the Oval Office to the regulators to
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Speaker 3: actually being put into practice. And uh, you know, there's
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Speaker 3: folks who like to slow walk this stuff. That bureaucratic
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Speaker 3: red tape is real and well it has a changeable impact.
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Speaker 1: Stay you look at a regulatory form out of this administration. Uh,
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Speaker 1: we seem to be in a state of gridlock. Donovan,
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Speaker 1: the Republicans and the Democrats are at a stalemate. Anything anything,
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Speaker 1: anything one side off asked for or suggest the other
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Speaker 1: that is immediate no, and everyone is uniform in their
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Speaker 1: opposition to it. So that's dysfunction, and it certainly dysfunctional
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Speaker 1: on a Washington level. There's no question you mentioned House
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Speaker 1: Bill fifteen Ohio started to seal real momentum. Can can
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Speaker 1: we bring it back and talk about what h TOB
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Speaker 1: fifteen is was and how it's causing some momentum here
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Speaker 1: in terms of the energy generation in Ohio. Donovan happy too,
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Speaker 1: wonderful more with donovan' Neil hang on seven thirty six
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Speaker 1: fifty five kr SE the talk.
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Speaker 2: Station See the talk station.
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Speaker 1: Seven forty here fifty five KRC the talk station right
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Speaker 1: time of Donovan and Neil for Americans for prosperity, looking
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Speaker 1: out for Ohio and key issues in Ohio energy being
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Speaker 1: one of them. And apologies for those who are struggling
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Speaker 1: app so I don't feel like I'm being picked on.
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Speaker 1: Donovan and Neil moving back up. Some people are suspicious
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Speaker 1: that it's because of the content of the fifty five
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Speaker 1: KRCY Morning Show that sometimes bad things happened here and
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Speaker 1: not to anybody else. That is not the case this morning.
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Speaker 1: I just want to dispel any rumors that might be
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Speaker 1: going on out there. So we're talking about power in
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Speaker 1: Ohio and you mentioned and I know you were talking
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Speaker 1: about this at your Road to Prosperity Nuclear roundtable in
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Speaker 1: Perry are up outside of the Perry plant HB fifteen.
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Speaker 1: I was having a I didn't look it up, and
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Speaker 1: I admit to that, but I didn't I couldn't recall
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Speaker 1: specifically what that was. But apparently it's caused some momentum
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Speaker 1: insofar as energy production in Ohio. And you mentioned more activity,
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Speaker 1: more interest in Ohio, and that's all good. So specifically,
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Speaker 1: what did it do or does it do? And beyond
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Speaker 1: the federal government and its impediments with its regulatory scheme,
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Speaker 1: how does this helping us here in Ohio?
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Speaker 2: Donovan and Neil, Yeah, Well.
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Speaker 3: Hospital fifteen was signed into law last year, almost a
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Speaker 3: year ago to to this date by Governor DeWine. It
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Speaker 3: was one of the it is it is Ohio's largest
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Speaker 3: most transformative energy reform legislation since the deregulation efforts of
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Speaker 3: the early two thousands. And what it did is it
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Speaker 3: put away the final vestiges of housetill six. It ended
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Speaker 3: the OVET subsidies that were costing ohioan's hundreds of that
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Speaker 3: literally ran hundreds of thousand dollars a day a day
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Speaker 3: to subsidize coal power plants.
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Speaker 2: It focused on.
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Speaker 3: Market based pricing for to bring transparency and competition by
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Speaker 3: ending these so called electric security plans that allowed utilities
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Speaker 3: to put you know, various writers and charges on without
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Speaker 3: going before the PUCO.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then it expanded competition and consumer choice these
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Speaker 2: consumer driven plans.
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Speaker 3: What that's done is it's sent a signal around the
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Speaker 3: country that Ohio is is positioned to be a leader
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Speaker 3: on energy. The other thing is with permitting reforms. So
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Speaker 3: it started to put shot clocks and timelines on the regulators.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: That's one of the biggest drivers I think is when
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Speaker 3: you you know, if you're an energy generator and you're
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Speaker 3: going to put an application to cite a project, whether
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Speaker 3: it's a small windmill to a large natural gas facility
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Speaker 3: to a SMR. You know, you could put that application
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Speaker 3: in and oftentimes it goes into the black hole of
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Speaker 3: the regulators and permitting processes, right, looping back.
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Speaker 2: Around and around.
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Speaker 3: What you want to know is that if you're going
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Speaker 3: to make an investment, you're going to get return on
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Speaker 3: that investment with.
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Speaker 2: Some diffinity, right, And so forty five days to.
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Speaker 3: Get an answer from the regulators or else you can
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Speaker 3: proceed with the project. That's the kind of stuff right
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Speaker 3: that sends a signal and resulted in actually an eighteen
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Speaker 3: percent increase last year year over year of new energy
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Speaker 3: projects being applied for through the Power Sighting Board in
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Speaker 3: the state.
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Speaker 1: Well, do we need some regulations or some regulars or
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Speaker 1: other legal changes to deal with Going back to the
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Speaker 1: NIMBI lawsuits, most of them driven at least I perceive
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Speaker 1: them to be driven by claims of environmental concerns. So
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Speaker 1: you can't build literally anything because it's going to infere
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Speaker 1: with some component of the environment, and those cause these
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Speaker 1: projects to be drug out. So even if the regulators
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Speaker 1: respond within forty five days in green light of project,
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Speaker 1: next thing, you know, someone's in court with a motion
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Speaker 1: to enjoy the whole project for moving forward on some
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Speaker 1: environmentally grounded claim, and then you're off to the races,
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Speaker 1: which are slow and painful, like the wheels of justice.
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Speaker 1: You're not going to get an answer very quickly at all,
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Speaker 1: thus delaying the project and probably putting into question whether
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Speaker 1: or not it was even worth going down this road.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I think there's more to be done there,
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Speaker 3: and certainly I think that's more on the I think
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Speaker 3: at that federal, federal level state of Ohio, we're in
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Speaker 3: a much better position.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's going.
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Speaker 3: And when I talk about we're operating on nineteen seventies
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Speaker 3: rules and regulations here, we haven't updated that stuff since
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Speaker 3: you know Carter was president, right, we need to bring
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Speaker 3: that stuff forward.
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Speaker 2: And actually, and.
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Speaker 3: What happens right is you have these laws maybe in
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Speaker 3: some cases right, I mean, I like clean water, I
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Speaker 3: want fresh air, that's important. But what we've seen right
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Speaker 3: through that mission creep of the regulators that the original
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Speaker 3: legislative Antenta Congress fifty years ago has far outpaced, right
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Speaker 3: through executive overreach, what the actual mandatesion is.
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Speaker 2: And so we need to update these laws.
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Speaker 3: So that's what that's that's what's sitting in Congress right now.
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Speaker 3: I mean, actually, the House of Representatives has passed the
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Speaker 3: Speed Act. It's sitting with the Senate. We need the
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Speaker 3: Senate to get that done. But heck, Brian, we can't
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Speaker 3: even get you know, Department of Homeland Security funded, let
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Speaker 3: alone modernizing.
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Speaker 2: Our regulatory environment. But it's an opportunity.
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Speaker 3: I've talked with numbers of Congress who said this is
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Speaker 3: a bipartisan issue. Even Democrats understand the need to make
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Speaker 3: some updates here so we can get more energy online.
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Speaker 3: But it's going to take some grassroots effort, I think,
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Speaker 3: to really push these folks, sorry getting off into no.
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, that's okay, man. I listen, this artificial
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Speaker 1: intelligence is coming our way period into story. And you know,
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Speaker 1: the gift and I keep pointing to is such massive
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Speaker 1: energy demands. Nobody wants to have to pay for what
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Speaker 1: AI is doing and reaping by way of benefit from
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Speaker 1: building its AI facilities. But if they bring their own
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Speaker 1: power and they charge, and they pay for it themselves,
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Speaker 1: that might well allow us to have the benefit of
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Speaker 1: the excess power they have from these maybe small modular reactors,
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Speaker 1: but it's it's out there, it's coming. So this AI
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Speaker 1: adoption by these major mega corporations and they appreciate their needs.
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Speaker 1: That negates a lot of the global alarmism that those
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Speaker 1: big mega corporations used to be behind. And so this
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Speaker 1: is why when I look at this and I think
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Speaker 1: this is kind of a blessing in disguise, because going
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Speaker 1: back to my initial question, what's wrong with nuclear power,
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Speaker 1: no one seems to come up with a legitimate answer
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Speaker 1: for me. So maybe those days are beyond us and
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Speaker 1: behind us, and that might spur the federal government to
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Speaker 1: take note and realize that Democrats, Republicans, communist socialists, libertarians,
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Speaker 1: everyone will benefit from an abundance of additional power, oh
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Speaker 1: without a doubt.
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Speaker 3: And well, and what you're talking about with the data
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Speaker 3: centers and behind the meter, that's another thing. House Bull
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Speaker 3: fifteen made clear that you know, if Meta, Amazon, Web Services,
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Speaker 3: you know, Google, want to build energy to support their
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Speaker 3: own data centers, yeah, behind the meter, off the grid.
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Speaker 2: They can do that.
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Speaker 3: The bet here though, and this is the genius of it,
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Speaker 3: is if they build you know, they need three hundred
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Speaker 3: megawatts and they build a six hundred megawat for somebody right,
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Speaker 3: we can kick that extra energy back onto the grid
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Speaker 3: and actually do some good to.
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Speaker 2: Solve the energy problems in the country.
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Speaker 3: These folks need it, right, These large corporations they want
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Speaker 3: to build, they want they need the data centers for
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Speaker 3: their business. They want to build the energy and they're
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Speaker 3: willing to put their own money down to do and effect.
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Speaker 3: There is a deal between MET. It's why Meta was
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Speaker 3: at the table on Monday with us in Perry between
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Speaker 3: Meta and Vestor Energy. Vistra is one of the largest
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Speaker 3: energy generation companies in the nation to guarantee and they
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Speaker 3: own the Peri Nuclear power Plant to guarantee energy generation
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Speaker 3: for several years, several many years out of the Peri
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Speaker 3: Nuclear power Plant to power these data centers. Meta is
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Speaker 3: helping pony up to make sure those investments are made
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Speaker 3: so that energy is on the grid, which, by the way,
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Speaker 3: you and me, Brian living on the PGM grid, the
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Speaker 3: benefit from that investment by Meta and partnership with Vista
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Speaker 3: to do that well.
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Speaker 1: It's a good thing that says power generation will free
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Speaker 1: us from the whole concept of spot pricing. We had
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Speaker 1: to deal with with our energy bills in January and
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Speaker 1: February My understanding is when you run out of sufficient
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Speaker 1: power generation, you go out into the world and buy
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Speaker 1: it on spot pricing basis, which is why my energy
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Speaker 1: bill went through the blank and roof for those couple
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Speaker 1: of months. Apparently there was too much demand on the
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Speaker 1: grid with the temperature dropping. Can you imagine excess power
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Speaker 1: and never having to go out of the open market
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Speaker 1: and buy additional power. Can you imagine being able to
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Speaker 1: sell that excess power to other states who might need
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Speaker 1: it because they haven't taken care of their power energy
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Speaker 1: demand needs. Hmmm, that's interesting.
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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, and it's the reason we're sitting you know,
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Speaker 3: it's simple supply and demand. You know, economics at work
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Speaker 3: here and for too long, right, we've made energy policy
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Speaker 3: based on environmental concerns, which of course are important, right,
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Speaker 3: but we we've you know, cut our nose to spite
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Speaker 3: our face, if you will, if that's the turn of
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Speaker 3: phrase there, as we've gone about doing this.
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Speaker 2: We can do both. It's not it's a yes and approach.
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Speaker 3: And fortunately more and more lawmakers, regulators, folks like PUCO
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Speaker 3: chair Jennifer French as seeing hawk from PGM seems like,
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Speaker 3: at least based on sitting down with them this past Monday.
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Speaker 2: They get it, they understand it.
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Speaker 3: But again and when it comes to the nuclear piece
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Speaker 3: and some of the bigger parts of the puzzle, it
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Speaker 3: really is going to take the federal government doing some
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Speaker 3: work here to get this solved.
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Speaker 1: Well, you want to give us a website to consult
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Speaker 1: and join in the fund to help out things here
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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. And of course independently, we
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Speaker 1: can all pester our federal elected officials to do something
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Speaker 1: about it. But what do my listeners need to do,
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Speaker 1: Donovan O'Neil, Well.
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Speaker 3: Go to Buckeye Blueprint dot com buckeyelueprint dot com. We've
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Speaker 3: got our Better Energy Policy for Ohio report that's put
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Speaker 3: out there if you want to learn more about how
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Speaker 3: we can make energy better in the Buckeye State.
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Speaker 1: Don o' neil, thanks for what you do for everyone
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Speaker 1: in the state of Ohio. A lot of people out
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Speaker 1: there don't think you're doing good work for them, but
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Speaker 1: it will inure to their benefit as well. We'll talk
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Speaker 1: next week. You have a fantastic week and thanks again sir.
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Speaker 2: You well, we're on