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- 0:00Speaker 1: Look, there's a squirrel. Look, there's a squirrel. Look, there's
- 0:04Speaker 1: another squirrel. A squirrel. It's one more thing. Armstrong and Getty.
- 0:10Speaker 1: One more thing.
- 0:13Speaker 2: An intriguing tease.
- 0:17Speaker 1: Booyah.
- 0:19Speaker 2: We got this text. I just wanted to follow up.
- 0:21Speaker 2: We were having a conversation at the end of the
- 0:23Speaker 2: radio show, Armstrong and Getty. It's a radio show, if
- 0:27Speaker 2: you didn't know that. And you can find all the, well,
- 0:31Speaker 2: you probably know that. You found this, Armstrong and Getty
- 0:33Speaker 2: On Demand. But we're talking about books and reading them.
- 0:37Speaker 2: And Joe said he's into paper books.
- 0:38Speaker 1: And I.
- 0:40Speaker 2: Exclusively read on my phone or on a Kindle.
- 0:45Speaker 1: And then we decided we can't be friends anymore because
- 0:47Speaker 1: everything's got to be bipolar in the modern world.
- 0:51Speaker 2: And then somebody texted about audio books saying they tried
- 0:55Speaker 2: audio books, but they get zero retention. With an actual book,
- 0:59Speaker 2: their retention is much, much greater. I don't have that problem.
- 1:05Speaker 2: I don't have that problem.
- 1:06Speaker 1: Yeah, I've read studies to that effect, too. It's not universal,
- 1:09Speaker 1: I'm sure, everybody.
- 1:11Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:11Speaker 1: Learning styles and that sort of thing.
- 1:12Speaker 2: I don't, I don't think it is because I, I
- 1:14Speaker 2: always liken it to college. One of the reasons I
- 1:16Speaker 2: always went to class, if I go to the lecture
- 1:18Speaker 2: and listen to it, it's in my brain and I'm good.
- 1:21Speaker 2: I'm good to go for the test. If I have
- 1:23Speaker 2: to read it, I might be tired or distracted or might,
- 1:25Speaker 2: might sink in. It might not, but whatever reason. So
- 1:28Speaker 2: audio books work great for me, but that sucks if
- 1:31Speaker 2: you can't do it.
- 1:32Speaker 1: Yeah, I would. I remember thinking as a teenager, I
- 1:36Speaker 1: literally could not understand how somebody who could forget. Something
- 1:42Speaker 1: that the teacher explained to us quite clearly in class.
- 1:44Speaker 1: And there it is on the board. I don't understand
- 1:46Speaker 1: how you'd forget that. And it's not character. It's nothing
- 1:48Speaker 1: I earned. It's a genetic... It's like being tall. Tall
- 1:53Speaker 1: people shouldn't get any credit for that either. But yeah,
- 1:56Speaker 1: the more you learn about learning styles, the more interesting
- 1:58Speaker 1: a topic it is to me. But I've forgotten everything
- 2:02Speaker 1: I've learned about learning styles.
- 2:03Speaker 2: Oh my God. Helping my kids with the various schoolwork.
- 2:09Speaker 2: Like my son's taking... um, some biology and some math
- 2:14Speaker 2: freshmen in high school. And I got to go back
- 2:16Speaker 2: to the beginning of the chapter and read like the
- 2:19Speaker 2: most basic stuff. I have zero recall on some of
- 2:23Speaker 2: the most basic stuff.
- 2:26Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. That's why in the military you train
- 2:29Speaker 1: and you retrain and you retrain and you retrain, keep
- 2:33Speaker 1: it all fresh. Uh, my brother, the submarine guy who's
- 2:36Speaker 1: talked about that a fair amount.
- 2:38Speaker 2: Um, Look, a squirrel.
- 2:40Speaker 1: Fire drills, that sort of thing. Oh, yeah, the squirrel thing.
- 2:42Speaker 1: Oddly enough, I was distracted. So I love and hate
- 2:49Speaker 1: Jonah Goldberg as a writer. Very smart, interesting perspective. Some
- 2:54Speaker 1: of his books, The Death of the West, that was Jonah, right?
- 2:59Speaker 1: And Liberal Fascism, I think, was. I need to go
- 3:04Speaker 1: back to some of them. Absolutely wonderful writer, but oh,
- 3:06Speaker 1: my God, is he wordy. His columns are practically unreadable.
- 3:12Speaker 1: He will have a reasonably simple premise, and he'll write
- 3:16Speaker 1: beautifully about it for like, you know, I don't know,
- 3:20Speaker 1: 1,500 words. But there will be 4,500 other words about this, that,
- 3:25Speaker 1: the other, tangents, reflections, unnecessary repetitions. Oh, my God, he
- 3:31Speaker 1: needs an editor. But he's a brilliant man. He also
- 3:35Speaker 1: tweets about his dogs way too much.
- 3:37Speaker 2: Well, it's getting personal.
- 3:39Speaker 1: Yeah. Nobody cares, Jonah. You love your dog.
- 3:42Speaker 2: I tweeted out a picture.
- 3:44Speaker 1: You should love your dogs. Well, you're wrong, Kitty.
- 3:47Speaker 2: I tweeted out a picture of an ice cream cone
- 3:49Speaker 2: last night. I mean, come on.
- 3:50Speaker 1: Yeah. Internet slop. Now, you tweet me a picture of
- 3:54Speaker 1: a dog eating that ice cream cone, then you've got something.
- 3:58Speaker 1: I swear, I look at that ice cream cone. I
- 4:00Speaker 1: can feel like a sugar crash coming on, like psychosomatically.
- 4:05Speaker 1: How weird is that? Anyway.
- 4:07Speaker 2: I didn't feel great afterwards, I'll admit.
- 4:10Speaker 1: So Jonas writing an unnecessarily long and complicated column about
- 4:14Speaker 1: being tired, and he points out it's not from his job.
- 4:19Speaker 1: It's not like he chops wood or clears boulders from fields.
- 4:22Speaker 1: He sits and writes and types and reads and stuff
- 4:25Speaker 1: like that. But he says it's that he has a
- 4:30Speaker 1: hard time turning off his brain. And he writes, I
- 4:33Speaker 1: think that maybe that's the one reason people are so tired.
- 4:37Speaker 1: You know, people don't sleep enough, too. We take in
- 4:39Speaker 1: too much entertainment. But he says, we increasingly live in
- 4:42Speaker 1: an attention economy, and paying attention to things can be exhausting.
- 4:46Speaker 1: So can having your attention to one thing constantly be
- 4:49Speaker 1: disturbed by other things demanding your attention. Big chunks of
- 4:52Speaker 1: our days are like playing that old game Operation, trying
- 4:55Speaker 1: to use tweezers to remove a liver or spleen without
- 4:57Speaker 1: lighting up the patient's nose, while people are saying, did
- 5:00Speaker 1: you hear what Trump said? Look at this video of
- 5:02Speaker 1: a puppy sleeping with a monkey. Here's how you can
- 5:04Speaker 1: use Claude to organize your closet. Ha ha ha ha.
- 5:07Speaker 1: The news and media outfits, pretending to be in the
- 5:10Speaker 1: news business, is full of stuff demanding not only to
- 5:13Speaker 1: pay attention to it, but worry about it. Once Claude
- 5:16Speaker 1: organizes your closet, it will destroy humanity. Tics are not
- 5:19Speaker 1: only coming, they'll make you allergic to cheeseburgers, etc., etc.
- 5:23Speaker 1: I think he's absolutely right. Human beings were not built
- 5:29Speaker 1: to process this.
- 5:30Speaker 2: No. Tying it back into reading, for some reason I don't,
- 5:35Speaker 2: have the same feeling in my brain when I'm reading
- 5:37Speaker 2: a long form book. If I do that for 20
- 5:41Speaker 2: minutes that I have from scrolling crap for 20 minutes.
- 5:45Speaker 2: So there's something different going on neurologically.
- 5:48Speaker 1: You read long form stuff more often than I do.
- 5:51Speaker 1: So your answer may be different, but how long does
- 5:55Speaker 1: it take you? to get into, I'm reading a book mode.
- 5:59Speaker 2: Not right now. Nothing immediately. Cause I've been doing it
- 6:02Speaker 2: long enough, but when I first picked up literature again
- 6:04Speaker 2: or long form books, a couple of years ago, it
- 6:07Speaker 2: was hard. So hard. But luckily I'm back in the groove,
- 6:11Speaker 2: like going to the gym and I don't want to
- 6:13Speaker 2: let it go again because right now I can pick
- 6:15Speaker 2: up a big thick book and sit down and start
- 6:17Speaker 2: reading immediately. And it's not hard.
- 6:19Speaker 1: It's funny. You should use the gym metaphor. Cause I
- 6:21Speaker 1: was just going to say, I feel like I, I
- 6:23Speaker 1: have to get loose for golf. Um, I have to
- 6:27Speaker 1: like get warmed up to read books because I spend
- 6:32Speaker 1: five minutes, maybe even 10 minutes thinking I want to
- 6:37Speaker 1: distract myself. I want to distract myself.
- 6:39Speaker 3: Right.
- 6:39Speaker 2: And my problem my kids have is I don't know
- 6:41Speaker 2: that they've ever had the feeling that I've gotten back
- 6:47Speaker 2: of being able to sit there and read like, you know,
- 6:50Speaker 2: a 50 page chapter of a book. I don't know
- 6:52Speaker 2: if they've ever had that feeling. So they don't even
- 6:55Speaker 2: know what they would be getting back to.
- 6:57Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Then one other thing Jonah brings up is
- 7:00Speaker 1: the concept of if you wanted a distraction. And he says,
- 7:05Speaker 1: I'd pick up a magazine and thumb through it. And
- 7:08Speaker 1: it occurred to me as I read that, that's right.
- 7:11Speaker 1: Sometimes you would have to look, often you would have
- 7:15Speaker 1: to look for a distraction.
- 7:17Speaker 2: Sitting around a doctor's office killing time. I guess I'll
- 7:20Speaker 2: read this Reader's Digest. I don't have any interest in. Right, right.
- 7:25Speaker 2: That is not a problem anymore.
- 7:27Speaker 1: Try to do the maze for kids. Too easy. You
- 7:30Speaker 1: just go around to the right right there. I mean,
- 7:33Speaker 1: what are you, blind? Stupid kids.
- 7:36Speaker 2: The maze for kids.
- 7:40Speaker 1: Oh, I need a distraction.
- 7:41Speaker 2: Oh, that's funny. Like you'd trace it around the circle.
- 7:45Speaker 1: Ah, dead end. Ah, I suck at this. Damn it.
- 7:50Speaker 1: It seems so promising.
- 7:53Speaker 2: Fooled again. Yes.
- 7:55Speaker 1: It's a metaphor for life, son. Trust me. Yeah, yeah. Okay,
- 8:00Speaker 1: now then Jonah gets back to being a really good writer,
- 8:03Speaker 1: which he definitely is. But he says, now if I
- 8:05Speaker 1: want to do the digital equivalent, there's a good chance
- 8:07Speaker 1: I'll have to re-sign into the website, but I won't
- 8:09Speaker 1: remember my password, so I'll have to create a new one.
- 8:11Speaker 1: and have a temporary password emailed to me, at which
- 8:13Speaker 1: point I would have to answer the Sphinx's three questions.
- 8:17Speaker 1: Or if I'm lucky enough to avoid that, I'll get
- 8:18Speaker 1: hit with a video I don't want to watch and
- 8:20Speaker 1: have to figure out how to turn it off. Or
- 8:22Speaker 1: if I get halfway through an article, I might need
- 8:23Speaker 1: to click on the click here to read more button,
- 8:26Speaker 1: which I only realized I scrolled past when I started
- 8:28Speaker 1: reading an advertorial about managing, of all things, my cortisol levels.
- 8:32Speaker 2: Oh my God, I did that the other day. And
- 8:35Speaker 2: then you go to the email to reset your password,
- 8:38Speaker 2: and you say, oh, God, I got a bunch of
- 8:39Speaker 2: emails here from work or teachers or whatever. I better
- 8:42Speaker 2: look at those.
- 8:44Speaker 1: Hey, does anybody know, and tech guys, I'm sure, know
- 8:48Speaker 1: they're like, of course I know, but what the hell's
- 8:51Speaker 1: the deal with the read more button?
- 8:54Speaker 2: You get an extra click.
- 8:55Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an extra click, and usually it'll open up
- 8:58Speaker 3: a separate tab so you have two of them going
- 9:00Speaker 3: at once, and then you leave that one in the
- 9:02Speaker 3: background running for an extended.
- 9:03Speaker 1: Period of time.
- 9:03Speaker 2: Sometimes not, but I assume either way you get an
- 9:06Speaker 2: extra click out of the deal.
- 9:07Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Clickonomics is so, so fraudulent. That's why she'd
- 9:14Speaker 1: only buy podcast advertising.
- 9:16Speaker 2: Actually, I came across a good story about that, how
- 9:19Speaker 2: local newspapers fell for Clickonomics, and it didn't make any sense,
- 9:23Speaker 2: and it's too bad they destroyed themselves. Maybe I'll get
- 9:25Speaker 2: to that on the radio show, because it's really interesting.
- 9:27Speaker 2: They were really, really misled. Clickonomics works for major publications,
- 9:31Speaker 2: but for small newspapers, it didn't work at all. But
- 9:34Speaker 2: I'll explain that on the radio show on Thursday, right? Thursday, yeah.
- 9:38Speaker 1: On Friday.
- 9:39Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 9:40Speaker 2: My thing with the distraction, and I have to remind
- 9:43Speaker 2: myself of this every day. I've talked about this several times.
- 9:46Speaker 2: Speaking of being in the doctor's office and like, geez,
- 9:48Speaker 2: there's a magazine. I don't even read people, but I'll
- 9:51Speaker 2: flip through it.
- 9:55Speaker 1: That's why their marriage didn't work.
- 9:57Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen had a song.
- 9:58Speaker 1: He was selfish.
- 9:59Speaker 2: Bruce Springsteen had a song in the early 90s, 57
- 10:02Speaker 2: Channels and Nothing On, and we all had that experience of,
- 10:05Speaker 2: how do I have 80 channels and I'm flipping through nothing, nothing,
- 10:08Speaker 2: nothing I'm interested in? And it's the opposite now, and
- 10:12Speaker 2: I have to remind myself of that on a regular basis.
- 10:16Speaker 2: that the algorithms know what I'm interested in. Every option
- 10:20Speaker 2: on this Instagram feed right now, or YouTube feed, is
- 10:23Speaker 2: interesting to me. Either, like, legitimately interesting from a learning standpoint,
- 10:28Speaker 2: or entertaining. It's music I like, it's a comedian I like,
- 10:32Speaker 2: it's a TV clip I like, whatever. And it could
- 10:36Speaker 2: feed me stuff that is grade A quality entertainment.
- 10:41Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
- 10:42Speaker 2: Perpetually. That's what I got to remind myself all the time. You,
- 10:46Speaker 2: I have to be the gatekeeper on that. I'm not
- 10:48Speaker 2: going to run out because I remember the day of
- 10:50Speaker 2: flipping through the channels, nothing worth seeing. Now everything is
- 10:53Speaker 2: worth seeing. It knows what I like and it gives
- 10:56Speaker 2: me an endless supply of it, which is weird, but yeah,
- 11:00Speaker 2: it's just like food.
- 11:01Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
- 11:02Speaker 2: Exactly. It's like food.
- 11:04Speaker 1: We're built to not pass up food because we have
- 11:06Speaker 1: no idea when we're going to be able to bring
- 11:08Speaker 1: down the next elk or whatever. Um, and obviously that's
- 11:12Speaker 1: no longer the case. So it is with entertainment and,
- 11:14Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big advocate, as you know, for
- 11:16Speaker 1: spacing out, for just watching nature, unplugging your brain to
- 11:20Speaker 1: keep from going completely insane. I'm going to start my
- 11:22Speaker 1: colony in the woods. We may or may not be naked.
- 11:25Speaker 1: This is all in the planning stages. Um, but yeah,
- 11:28Speaker 1: such a big believer.
- 11:29Speaker 2: That was a left turn.
- 11:31Speaker 1: It's, um, it's nature. It's natural.
- 11:33Speaker 2: Now this is big. It's his big plan.
- 11:35Speaker 1: Right.
- 11:36Speaker 2: And I pledged not.
- 11:37Speaker 1: To sex up the young women. Right.
- 11:40Speaker 2: It's a good pledge. Well, we're going to find out
- 11:42Speaker 2: what this does to our brain. It's all so new.
- 11:47Speaker 2: We don't have the research yet. We don't have the data.
- 11:50Speaker 2: We don't have the data on people like my kids
- 11:53Speaker 2: who started their lives with this pace of dopamine hits.
- 12:01Speaker 2: And it's going to take quite a few decades and
- 12:03Speaker 2: generations to get to where we can do studies on this.
- 12:06Speaker 2: But like my kids... walk around with at least one
- 12:12Speaker 2: ear pod in, listening to music while they're having conversations.
- 12:16Speaker 2: And so do all their friends. They never don't have,
- 12:20Speaker 2: there's a triple negative, I think, stimulus going into their brain,
- 12:25Speaker 2: including while they're getting stimulus. Yeah, right. And I can't
- 12:28Speaker 2: imagine what that's doing to the wiring of their brains.
- 12:33Speaker 2: The person that checks you out, if they're under the
- 12:35Speaker 2: age of 25, checks you out at the store. If
- 12:37Speaker 2: you see them turn their head, they got an earpiece in.
- 12:39Speaker 2: They're listening to something while they're talking to you and
- 12:42Speaker 2: doing their job.
- 12:43Speaker 1: Wow.
- 12:44Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 12:44Speaker 1: Well, I guess we'll all find out together how good
- 12:46Speaker 1: an idea that is.
- 12:47Speaker 2: There'll all be stark raving lunatics roaming across the plains,
- 12:51Speaker 2: stabbing each other or something.
- 12:52Speaker 1: I suspect so.
- 12:53Speaker 2: They go crazy.
- 12:54Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 12:55Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 12:55Speaker 3: So just to backtrack a little bit, because I think
- 12:59Speaker 3: these went away mostly during after COVID, but don't touch
- 13:04Speaker 3: the magazines in the waiting room.
- 13:06Speaker 2: What are you doing?
- 13:08Speaker 1: Really?
- 13:09Speaker 2: You're in the waiting room to see a doctor. Everybody's sick.
- 13:16Speaker 2: Everybody's sick. Yeah. And you touch their germ mags. I'm
- 13:20Speaker 2: surprised they still have magazines because everybody's got a phone.
- 13:24Speaker 1: Right. They do. They do. I never worry about stuff
- 13:28Speaker 1: like that for some reason.
- 13:29Speaker 3: I didn't worry about it until it was brought to
- 13:32Speaker 3: my attention, and I went, oh, my God, you're right.
- 13:34Speaker 2: Which is how you got gonorrhea that second time.
- 13:37Speaker 1: Yes, that's my story, and I'm sticking with it.
- 13:39Speaker 3: Waiting room magazine sickness.
- 13:40Speaker 1: Speaking of gonorrhea and not sexing up young women and
- 13:44Speaker 1: that sort of thing, I can't remember. Have I had
- 13:46Speaker 1: this conversation on the air or just off the air?
- 13:49Speaker 2: About your clout. I think we've taken this running joke
- 13:54Speaker 2: too far.
- 13:55Speaker 1: Stings so much.
- 14:00Speaker 2: Stings so much.
- 14:07Speaker 1: I actually said to my wife yesterday, and I'm not
- 14:12Speaker 1: happy about this exactly because it includes admitting that I
- 14:17Speaker 1: am an older fellow at this point. But one of
- 14:22Speaker 1: the few really good aspects of it is I can
- 14:28Speaker 1: interact with business, personal, whatever, attractive young women, and they
- 14:37Speaker 1: don't assume I'm hitting on them.
- 14:40Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 14:40Speaker 1: Oh, I agree. We can just relate to each other
- 14:42Speaker 1: as human beings.
- 14:43Speaker 3: I agree.
- 14:43Speaker 1: And it's great.
- 14:44Speaker 2: I like that, too.
- 14:46Speaker 1: There's none of that defensiveness or weird, you know, frankly,
- 14:49Speaker 1: if she thought if she wanted to, I would do it.
- 14:53Speaker 1: You know, just that, that dynamics gone and it's liberating
- 14:57Speaker 1: and it's fun.
- 14:58Speaker 2: I agree. I like it too. And I remember observing
- 15:00Speaker 2: that when I was younger, you know, attractive young women
- 15:03Speaker 2: talking to old men, they don't feel threatened. And they,
- 15:06Speaker 2: you know, in the way they're talking to those of
- 15:08Speaker 2: us who were younger guys who were, you know, possible mates. Uh, yeah,
- 15:12Speaker 2: I like that too. It was nice. It is liberating. Yeah.
- 15:16Speaker 2: Does it work the other way, Katie, or no? I
- 15:17Speaker 2: don't know if it works the other way. Yeah, I
- 15:21Speaker 2: would think so. You talk to old men and they
- 15:23Speaker 2: don't have to worry about their head? I don't know
- 15:25Speaker 2: if it works that way. I don't know. I always, well,
- 15:29Speaker 2: this is a different question. I got it backwards. I
- 15:31Speaker 2: did the same thing. So it would be, well, you're
- 15:33Speaker 2: not old enough to know. Older women talking to younger men. Yeah,
- 15:35Speaker 2: it doesn't work because I can't ask you because you're
- 15:36Speaker 2: not old enough.
- 15:38Speaker 1: Well, the younger men are thinking she's a cougar. She
- 15:40Speaker 1: wants to jump my bones.
- 15:42Speaker 2: Right, yeah.
- 15:44Speaker 1: It's like the opposite. Gotcha. It's almost as if men
- 15:47Speaker 1: and women are different.
- 15:48Speaker 2: Although I do have the, I have said before that
- 15:51Speaker 2: I've reached the age where, uh, I can tell him
- 15:56Speaker 2: being humored a lot and I don't like that. Oh,
- 16:01Speaker 2: you gotta be nice to him. He's old. That's just Jack.
- 16:04Speaker 2: He's an old guy.
- 16:05Speaker 3: Good old Jack.
- 16:06Speaker 2: We'll listen to his story or laugh at his joke.
- 16:08Speaker 2: Cause he's old. Or they'd talk louder. Cause I think
- 16:11Speaker 2: I can't hear.
- 16:12Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for patronizing me.
- 16:16Speaker 2: I had one more instance of that the other day
- 16:22Speaker 2: where somebody gave me and I gave you the senior discount.
- 16:24Speaker 2: So that saved you a dollar. Screw you. You think
- 16:28Speaker 2: you did me a favor just telling me that you
- 16:30Speaker 2: think that made my day better. How do you think
- 16:33Speaker 2: that made my day better? You telling me you're so
- 16:37Speaker 2: obviously over this age, whatever it is. Here's your dollar.
- 16:40Speaker 2: I'd rather you keep the dollar and let me keep
- 16:43Speaker 2: my illusion that I'm not obviously to everyone the age
- 16:47Speaker 2: you're describing.
- 16:49Speaker 1: So, A, I'm old, and B, I'm desperate for a dollar.
- 16:53Speaker 1: A dollar. Which back when I was a young man
- 16:57Speaker 1: could have took me and my sweetheart forever. to the
- 17:00Speaker 1: Cinebubbleplex and bought us a popcorn as well.
- 17:03Speaker 2: Who says I'm happy to be insulted for a dollar?
- 17:07Speaker 2: An insult that I'll think about all day. For one dollar,
- 17:10Speaker 2: that's a fair trade. That's a steal.
- 17:12Speaker 1: Hey, do you have an ugly discount? How about a
- 17:14Speaker 1: stupid dollar off? Will you give me a buck off
- 17:17Speaker 1: because I'm so damn stupid, too?
- 17:19Speaker 2: You don't like the way I dress? Here's 50 cents. Bastards.
- 17:25Speaker 2: This will be the year I get a metal detector
- 17:26Speaker 2: for Christmas.
- 17:28Speaker 1: I just know it.
- 17:29Speaker 3: Well.
- 17:30Speaker 2: I guess that's it. Seriously, though, thanks for the dollar
- 17:33Speaker 2: for something that now I will think about for the
- 17:35Speaker 2: next hour.
- 17:39Speaker 1: So that saved you a dollar.