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Jaguars Winning the Division Is Still Attainable | Jaguars Reporters · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: Welcome into another edition of the Jaguars Reporters podcast. JP Shatner,
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  Speaker 1: Kai Stevens, Brian Sexton, John Oser putting to bed a
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  Speaker 1: twenty three seven loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday
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  Speaker 1: Night Football.
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  Speaker 2: A lot coming out of that game, but obviously the number.
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  Speaker 1: One priority is the quarterback, play of the quarterback and
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  Speaker 1: the health of the quarterback. And John will start right there.
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  Speaker 1: The play of the quarterback wasn't great, the execution lacking
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  Speaker 1: right around the goal line before halftime, decision making lost
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  Speaker 1: to fumbles, and then in the second half gets hit
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  Speaker 1: a couple of times and he comes out of the
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  Speaker 1: game in concussion protocol.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny, I think at all to fumbles everything
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  Speaker 3: you said for concussion protocol, which is a different issue.
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  Speaker 3: It all comes down to decision making. And it's not
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  Speaker 3: that we've seen that he has the capability to be
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  Speaker 3: one of the better players in the league. We've seen
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  Speaker 3: he has the talent, all that stuff, the guts, the moxie.
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  Speaker 3: But I fumed twice last night that cost them depending
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  Speaker 3: on the math, ten point six, well, yeah, whatever the number.
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  Speaker 3: It was a close game. And then at the end,
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  Speaker 3: these decisions were probably thirteen points when you take the
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  Speaker 3: last play. Maybe they don't get the touchdown last play
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  Speaker 3: the half, but bare minimum nine. Well, this is a
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  Speaker 3: seven point league, so.
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  Speaker 2: That stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I always get questions, when are we going to talk
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  Speaker 3: about his ball security issue?
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  Speaker 2: We talk about all time.
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  Speaker 3: But third year, late third year, it doesn't make him
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  Speaker 3: not the guy. But that can't continue to happen.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you went into a game against the best
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  Speaker 4: pass rushing team in football, and your offensive line, which
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  Speaker 4: is made up did pretty good until the middle of
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  Speaker 4: the fourth quarter when things were out of control. You
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  Speaker 4: ran the ball okay, and your defense kept you in
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  Speaker 4: the ball game. Everything you needed to do to get
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  Speaker 4: beat with the best team in the AFC had two
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  Speaker 4: costly mistakes, egregious errors. I wrote in the red zone
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  Speaker 4: killed you. So I think we know what the next
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  Speaker 4: step is for Trevor.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: We talked about him making a big step forward in
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  Speaker 4: the offseason. It's football awareness. It's he's such a smart
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  Speaker 4: guy that you think, well, he's smart enough, he's no
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  Speaker 4: the situational awareness of third and seventeen and you're scrambling
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  Speaker 4: out of the pocket and there's no chance you're going
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  Speaker 4: to get a first down, protect the ball, get the points.
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  Speaker 4: At that point, you tie the game at three. Situational awareness,
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  Speaker 4: you got the ball first and goal with the five
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  Speaker 4: twelve seconds spike it we're throwing out at the back
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  Speaker 4: of the.
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  Speaker 2: Endwer you got to get three, You've got to get points.
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  Speaker 4: And so the situational awareness, the overall feel of the
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  Speaker 4: game is his next step.
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  Speaker 3: And if you're adding that point, Skuy, they returned that
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  Speaker 3: fumble twenty one yards, gave them momentum to get the
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  Speaker 3: So I don't even know how you count the points.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Kai, it's a big number.
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  Speaker 5: Though, Yeah, it's not good. I think some of the
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  Speaker 5: things I'm looking at too, is like when you look
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  Speaker 5: at Trevor, he's so calm, and that's a great demeanor
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  Speaker 5: when you know things are going awry because he doesn't panic.
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  Speaker 5: But I think there's also a little bit of and
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say it's just Trevor, it's the kind
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  Speaker 5: of the team as a whole. There needs to be
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  Speaker 5: a fire of you hate losing more than you like winning.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know, like that's what the great teams have, right,
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  Speaker 5: like a lot of them, Like, yeah, winning is great,
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  Speaker 5: but it's more like, I didn't want to lose than anything,
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  Speaker 5: And I don't know if this team is there yet
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  Speaker 5: because a lot of it is like they beat the
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  Speaker 5: teams you know they're probably supposed to be, and then
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  Speaker 5: some of the better teams they just don't put it together.
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  Speaker 5: And it's you can see it on Doug Peterson's face.
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  Speaker 5: He's one of those people because it's infuriating to him,
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  Speaker 5: and not everyone else is at that stage yet, and
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  Speaker 5: it's hard to get everybody there when they don't have
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  Speaker 5: that same mindset.
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  Speaker 4: It's Pat Mahomes at the end of the bills camp
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  Speaker 4: cost him seventy five grand.
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  Speaker 2: He's pissed, he hates losing. I'd like to see a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you can definitely see the wheels turning
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  Speaker 1: in Doug Peterson's head. He's pretty good about not putting
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  Speaker 1: it out there publicly that kind of stuff, but I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure inside the walls of the mill Or Electric Center
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  Speaker 1: he opens up a little bit more in that regard. Now,
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  Speaker 1: we heard some of that from Josh Allen on Monday.
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  Speaker 5: I thought, I think Josh is one of the people that,
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  Speaker 5: especially someone who's lost as much as he has, now
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  Speaker 5: that he sees what is available and what is possible,
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  Speaker 5: but that's hard to do. And also when you look
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  Speaker 5: at this team, I think a little bit of it too.
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  Speaker 5: It's a young team and then there is some veteran leadership,
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  Speaker 5: but not all of those players are from franchises or
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  Speaker 5: teams that were super successful. Right, So if you're coming
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  Speaker 5: from another place where you don't have super high expectations,
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  Speaker 5: but you're now here setting the expectation, you don't necessarily
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  Speaker 5: know what a winning expectation is at the NFL level. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: they all went to great colleges. Obviously they know what
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  Speaker 5: it's like to win and play on a good team,
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  Speaker 5: but like, you don't know what it takes day in necessarily,
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  Speaker 5: day in and day out unless you play for you know,
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  Speaker 5: a Baltimore A forty nine ers, a team like that
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  Speaker 5: where it's expected every single week and they make it
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  Speaker 5: happen with you know, not the like even the Browns,
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  Speaker 5: like the defense, the way they are so physical. I've
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  Speaker 5: had four or five quarterbacks whatever it is at this point,
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  Speaker 5: they still figure out what they do need to do
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  Speaker 5: or they hang their hat on something, right, I know
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  Speaker 5: you were saying when you think about it, like when
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  Speaker 5: push comes to show what does this team do well?
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  Speaker 2: Right? What can you count on?
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  Speaker 5: What can you count on the scene? Right? You can't.
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  Speaker 5: There's nothing, there's something that I can say, no matter what,
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  Speaker 5: this will happen in this game.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think overall, the I do think the defense
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  Speaker 3: for the most part this season, and I thought against
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  Speaker 3: the Ravens have usually been a thing you can count on.
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  Speaker 3: I think they would have been the story of the
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  Speaker 3: game on Sunday had the offense showed up at all,
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  Speaker 3: because they were playing sort of back to where they
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  Speaker 3: had played before those last two games. And I think
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  Speaker 3: if they'd had a little bit of a lead, maybe
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  Speaker 3: they would be, Hey, we create turnovers. We did this,
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  Speaker 3: but that's not enough of a car. That hasn't been
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  Speaker 3: enough a calling card to depend on it the last
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  Speaker 3: three weeks.
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  Speaker 4: Well, takeaways, I mean they lead the league with twenty five.
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  Speaker 4: That's one thing that you can count on with them.
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  Speaker 4: And look the point you made. It's a seven point
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  Speaker 4: league and the offense couldn't help the defense.
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  Speaker 2: In the first half. You have four scoring.
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  Speaker 4: Drives or pardon me, four drives in scoring position inside
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  Speaker 4: the Ravens forty yard line. The defense is playing great.
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  Speaker 4: You give them a little bit of support. Now, you
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  Speaker 4: put yourself into a fourth quarter game, which is where
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  Speaker 4: the league is decided in twenty twenty three, and the
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  Speaker 4: offense just didn't They didn't come through. There were some
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  Speaker 4: things you could hang your hat on, the run, defense,
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  Speaker 4: the takeaways, the Jaguars' ability to.
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  Speaker 2: Move the football. There just hasn't been enough consistency.
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  Speaker 4: And there is the magic word, right, they haven't done
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  Speaker 4: anything well enough week to week this year.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break. Well back in a moment,
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  Speaker 1: we'll take a look at the playoff race now, which
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  Speaker 1: is all of a sudden, hot and heavy in the
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  Speaker 1: AFC South and the week ahead. It's Jaguars Reporters. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: back to the Jaguars Reporters podcast. Jap Shadwick, John Oja,
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  Speaker 1: Brian Sexton, Kai Stevens looking now ahead to this AFC
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  Speaker 1: playoff race and Okay, well, Doug Peterson made the point
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  Speaker 1: in the press conference on Monday, I think to your question, Brian,
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  Speaker 1: he answered, we're still in first place, I think, and
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  Speaker 1: they are. They have the tiebreakers, they're the exact same
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  Speaker 1: record as the Texans and Colts, so they control their
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  Speaker 1: own destiny to the division. Title. That's a fact. If
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  Speaker 1: they went out, it's fine. If they don't, then there
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  Speaker 1: could be issues. And that's where they are. They had
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  Speaker 1: a lead in this thing. Now the lead is minimal.
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  Speaker 1: It's just tiebreakers, and so the pressure is really on
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  Speaker 1: now for this Jaggs team Kai And you know, they've
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  Speaker 1: got the Bucks this week, who are tied in their
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  Speaker 1: own division in the NFC South for first place, and
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  Speaker 1: they're all about it right now and playing pretty good.
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  Speaker 1: And then they've got a Carolina team that is wounded,
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  Speaker 1: but they won yesterday and beat Atlanta or one on
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  Speaker 1: Sunday and beat Atlanta, and then you go to Tennessee,
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  Speaker 1: which in the last decade has been a tough place
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  Speaker 1: to play for this franchise. So that's what's ahead. How
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  Speaker 1: do they handle the heat.
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  Speaker 5: We're certainly past that point where you can look at
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  Speaker 5: the schedule and be like, this is a win this week,
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  Speaker 5: because I that's out the window at this point. You
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  Speaker 5: really do have to just earn it at this point,
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  Speaker 5: right we don't know if Trevor will be able to
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  Speaker 5: play because he's in the concussion protocol. I would plan
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  Speaker 5: on him not I think it. You know, Brian, you've
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  Speaker 5: talked about that before, kind of plan on not having
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  Speaker 5: him and go that way, and if you have him, great,
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  Speaker 5: and then you're prepared otherwise because Tampa will be difficult.
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  Speaker 5: That's that's a tough game against a team that you
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  Speaker 5: know their division isn't great, so they're trying to do
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  Speaker 5: what they can do and get wins where they can
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  Speaker 5: get a win, And it's the Jaguars need to figure
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  Speaker 5: out who they are again too, right, because like, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: you get wins, but if you're getting wins and you're
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  Speaker 5: still playing bad, is that even helpful? At a certain
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  Speaker 5: point you're like, yes, of course you want wins, but
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  Speaker 5: it's like if you can't figure out what you're doing
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  Speaker 5: well and then you're limping still sort of limping into
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  Speaker 5: the playoffs, then that doesn't bode well either.
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  Speaker 4: I think maybe it's figure out who they are because
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  Speaker 4: you're not gonna have Christian Kirk obviously, and it sounds
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  Speaker 4: like Jay Jones and the hamstring is a problem.
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  Speaker 2: So now it's it's Ridley Ingram and who.
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  Speaker 4: So you've got a team all of a sudden who's
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  Speaker 4: passing identity is in flux with a running game that's
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  Speaker 4: just not there. Okay, so now you're relying on the defense.
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  Speaker 4: You see what I mean, You've these next three weeks.
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  Speaker 4: It's tough to say, well, yeah, they're gonna win the division,
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  Speaker 4: can they for sure? Doug is right. They're eight and six.
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  Speaker 4: They're in a position with some playmakers, but they're gonna
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  Speaker 4: need everything to go right instead of the first half
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  Speaker 4: yesterday JP, where everything went wrong.
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  Speaker 2: You can't have any more of those and.
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  Speaker 4: Expect to win as depleted as you are at key positions.
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  Speaker 3: I think, if they're gonna do this, you have three
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  Speaker 3: games left, the formula as I see it is attainable.
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  Speaker 3: For this reason, when they won seven of eight, it
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  Speaker 3: felt like their identity was we're gonna stop the run,
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  Speaker 3: play good defense, create takeaways, and we're gonna make big
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  Speaker 3: plays at key moments on offense. Well, the defense is
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  Speaker 3: still capable of doing that. I think if they look
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  Speaker 3: at it and say, look, we lost to three really
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  Speaker 3: good teams, they're playing pretty well just now, it feels
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  Speaker 3: to me like that identity is still attainable no matter
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  Speaker 3: what happens on offense. I don't know if what I
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  Speaker 3: just said is an ideal way to approach it, but
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  Speaker 3: I don't know that they have any choice.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's their path. That's probably the.
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  Speaker 3: Team they have to play to, the personality have to
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  Speaker 3: play to, because I don't know that it's realistic right
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  Speaker 3: now to think, hey, we're going to go win thirty seven,
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  Speaker 3: thirty four. You know so, and the Bucks are capable
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  Speaker 3: of playing that, they're also capable of playing bad. They're
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  Speaker 3: sort of a similar team to the Jaguars in the
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  Speaker 3: sense that they haven't really beaten very many good teams.
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  Speaker 3: They've gotten rich on beating okay teams, getting there, play
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  Speaker 3: defense and get some takeaways and see what happens and
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  Speaker 3: get out of your own way. That's still the whole key,
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  Speaker 3: as we're all talking about, like it's a disaster, just
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  Speaker 3: don't give it away and see what happens. That was
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  Speaker 3: the theme last week. It sounds like a broken record,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know what other record to play.
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  Speaker 2: I think the defense can do. They can do it right.
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  Speaker 4: They can play better again, it's the run. They can
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  Speaker 4: create some takeaways because they're they're healthy, and they're gonna
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  Speaker 4: get healthier. I mean, I think we expect to see
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  Speaker 4: Cisco and and Campbell back on the field before the
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  Speaker 4: season is over. So you have a chance to get
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  Speaker 4: better there. It's just how do you score? That's gonna
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  Speaker 4: be the key. If CJ. Bether is the quarterback, how
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  Speaker 4: do you score. I'm not saying you can't score. I'm
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  Speaker 4: just saying, how are you going to get it done?
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  Speaker 2: That's a fair question. A lot of questions, guy, for
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  Speaker 2: this team.
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  Speaker 5: I don't get the answers right now.
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  Speaker 2: No, we're looking to you. You're so long. Come on, guy,
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  Speaker 2: maybe after Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: A Christmas miracle.
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  Speaker 2: It's something in a Christmas miracle the day before Christmas.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Christmas Eve bringing in that's the gift you open
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  Speaker 1: the night before Christmas. Hey, that's coming up this week,
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  Speaker 1: the Jaguars and the Buccaneers Christmas Eve, four h five,
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  Speaker 1: Raymond James Stadium in Tampa, Ryan Section and John Ozer,
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  Speaker 1: Kai stevens Don, JP Shadwick.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for listening.
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