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Plural construction, the renowned journalistic program of political analysis and current in its twentieth
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season, with the leadership of Fernando Mauri and a team of prestigious analysts listen
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to it on radio train topic. Our President was born in Argentina. Dr
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Rabero mirey buena Presina Hello, everyone. There is no stabilization plan, no
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good, but the delay to change and here there is a problem of currency
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arrears. It is impossible to achieve the zero deficit in the twenty- four
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thousand. Good. It' s too little motasiara, it' s already
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a lot of equatoria, but you' re not liberal. There were taxes
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how about the pro no, but one more three hundred and sixty- five
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times was known and it gives me three sixty s It can' t last
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if there is no video and there is not you who invited me to be
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a federo, your cotuco noodle. They want to know how the economy is
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going to grow, it' s going to go up like a diver'
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s fart. But there' s no good, because there' s no
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comprehensive plan. But you should set the path. This is not a liberal
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government because it did not release the drug. Not because there' s a
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changed appreciation. I have a changing appreciation, but fucking freedom. How about,
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my friends, very but very good afternoon, a new start of the
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week in plural construction. As on Wednesday, Fernando, well, yes,
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yes, because we weren' t doing the radio ormito live, so we
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rest, we will recover next Wednesday two, Ahorita, there is a lot
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of work next Wednesday on vacation to see it in children, and say well,
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today we start the week in a second greeting our first guest from abroad.
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Then we' ll be with the economist and the marx with Audio.
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If there is time for Don Alejandro Roffman, and tomorrow we close with Alejandro
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pegru one thousand four hundred fifty in dollar free batter record He opened five pesitos
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up to one four forty five. It went down to one thousand four hundred
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forty, such as the closing of the last dayvil these Mondays, but Alfredo
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of yesterday and now turn ten pesitos. It' s in a thousand four
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hundred and fifty. The blues and it is to travel the risk country drops
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almost a point. It' s in a thousand, almost a stitch,
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a point one percent. It' s in a thousand four hundred and seventy
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- six. This obviously depends on the price of bowling. Attempted of Christina
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kinn was a witness who stated that a custodian of the former President asked her
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to erase a key video of the mystery, the mystery of Macarena in the
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file because she took a photo of loan at lunch and did not deliver it.
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These are the titles again infobae, as we usually open the afternoon.
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If seven lads will soon be 30 days old. We are not on the
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27th day of operational search, as Commissioner Masiel' s house says the nation
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more where they are not told, because it makes you less good than there
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is sun. But we' re out there in this tiny, ten degrees.
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Russia threatens Starmer for his support. Ukraine is talking about the new British
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Labour Premier. In a second we will talk about that, the laborism of
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the socielocracy, the ultra- right scientific police. He works at Masil'
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s house. It says Chronicle TV. Also that it has time added a
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chronic TV counter. I just saw him for the first time. Says Loa
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is born twenty- eight days, but two a twenty- eight hundred,
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two, three, forty- one. Well, twenty- eight days,
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two hours, three minutes, forty- six seconds ago or ugly journalism at
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c five n At this moment there is this same thing to us even real
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I don' t know what an acting with a photo of Milays is doing
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more than twenty- four we don' t trust in the North American Ecuador
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went to twenty- four. He has the exclusive of Jose the rum dad
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who is being interviewed live at this time in an urgent at twenty- four,
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who says we don' t trust the governor, the diner said not
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to look for him. Okay. It' s a little news that'
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s still on the police. Neither do we, not too much of this
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lucid fact. Well, they' ve got there on Lobano' s father
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' s live on a twenty- four important tip. Now they' re
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moving the sons of Camila and Macalena. Good people. We are going to
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do a little more outside with our correspondent in North America, friend Gustavo Harry
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Wolfsnson, who is no longer expected online for those issues of every two,
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because of three hurricane threats. This one we gave him a date off last
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week and like this week, like God short, well, we' ll
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surely recover after we' ll arrange private with him. But we' re
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going to give ourselves the luxury of having lunch next week for two days and
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Gustavo, Gustavo, my friend, good afternoon, how it' s going
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how you' re walking. Good afternoon today. If you don' t
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sing what' s already happened, it' s cattle to pass through until
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the next one arrives. In the season, then, just as you see
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it, with Pan and everyone else, we are all sheltered with protections.
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The windows and others look great, very good, and what temperature they have
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there now, for example, thirty- seven b ice creams are the ends.
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I don' t know where I' d be better off than over
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there, I tell you, well, not in terms of nature, I
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say in terms of climate number, nothing more about temperature. I don'
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t remember. At least one of them is lighter than clothes. Yeah,
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yeah, yeah, that' s right? Is that right? Well,
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listen to me. We start by talking a lot about ultra- right or
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the hard strong right. I don' t know, from obviously the triumph
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of trump they baganaroned here in the nearness of Reme Meloni. Obviously, Georgellamy
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lore in Italy lived this a few days ago, less than a month ago
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with the European parliamentarians, where she grew up right was and now there seems
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to have been a different wind, a mentist. Perhaps good are each case
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is a world not in lon the values that matters to Fernando. You listen
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there and if I cut you now I' ll have a problem with WiFi.
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Yeah, well, let' s see if we hear each other and
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what' s good said, I don' t hear it, I hear
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it well, well said in London And this is a particular case, in
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Britain they won Labour after the six- year wear and tear of the Conservatives
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in power and in France, in the second round to Tut' s surprise
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ended up Third. Let' s say lepen forces from the ultra- right
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and won the whole left alliance well and even Mcronel ended up with centrism.
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Second, in your judgment, he moved forward, he overreacted in fears to
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the ultra- right. There is no such positioning and societies, because it
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tends to the center. Or they can touch each other evenly. So,
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when you choose between them, you go between just those two options. This
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one that in the case of France Nuez makes a balotas competes the ones that
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take out also percentage. There are no more than two electoral options, unlike
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a ballot in Argentina. Well, look, Fernando, but I' m
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going to use, let' s say in different applications, the word balloons,
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the word in its origin. Let' s say he always showed us
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and above all the French example that the first round was tossed with the heart
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and the second round was tossed with reason. Perhaps in the first and I
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think it happened at the time also in Argentine directly one will completely in our
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case. They were the steps to manifest a feeling of rebellion. It is
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not the antisystem that emerges in the rejection, in popular rebellion, of the
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reaction of the terminal, when we already see with some concern that it is
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rebellions cannot be controlled. So it' s like there' s a famous
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tropical cumbia called reverse mommy or reverse. Mom, it' s not one
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to start pedaling backwards and try to strike a balance. I couldn' t
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tell you if there' s a tendency to the right and then it'
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s comforting where we mark to the left. I believe that at this time
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in general, not only in Europe, but in Latin America, we are
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trying first to build electoral models without slogans and practically at the same speed as
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we are today. Or that the young people were millenian the new generation lives
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that is up to date here. We' re not talking about future planning
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models, et cetera, et cetera. So the vote is practically an emotional
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or rational action towards the moment where you get to deposit the one and many
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times maybe we' ll say with the feeling of what happened to you the
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night before I' m saying since you' ve been bitten by a dog,
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you' ve been robbed of the house, etcetera, etcetera. It
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' s kind of a planned action and that' s what you' re
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looking at. Evidently. You tell me that person who voted for Epennism two
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weeks ago with all the action suddenly said I no longer like him. Now
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I' m voting on the other one. It' s very possible.
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You' re not seeing a rational vote there. You' re also seeing
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a new emotional act. And the rationals in the second chapter, to say
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the least, well, I' ve already thrown out my brawl. Well,
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I take a cold shower and we see how the territory is and we
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saw it in the case of well, France, very categorically we saw it
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a few weeks ago in the case of Spain and in the case of England.
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I think not cycles are good. They manage well the exhaustion of cycles,
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including, not character, not cycles. And besides, it does this
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good with certain situations of social economic models that did not finish closing. As
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far as English conservatism is concerned, it is not a degalo they tried a
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non- community Prime Minister or of Indian origin as to say, well the
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English Obama, to say and it was his hand and neither then does it
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generate this sort of change saying, but they are not to see I would
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not analyze them as necessarily changes of ideological content or that they see tendencies to
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either side that come to sign. I think they' re models I'
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d even call you pontial, even irruptive of the moment. Today I think
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this, today I don' t like this and I' m leaving,
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I' m going the other way. Otherwise I wouldn' t have a
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certain logic. I know it and that day it went first or third.
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Okay. There, in the particular case of France, apparently better. In
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fact, in number of votes he won the ultra- right again. But
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there, more people to vote and also distributed better the you exactly the ultra
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left and the center of macron Let' s say that' s why we
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' re going back to the emotional fact of the first round. It'
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s voluntary. I go because I want the second I go because I will
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level or I will balance so that it does not happen not you talk about
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that there is practically not so much belief of ideology, but above all in
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the new generations, that they include a lot in the patterns to live a
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day there is a particular case in Mexico. It is one of the few
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in Ibero- America, in the few countries where it has gained continuity.
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Don' t ask beyond the loas or less the lobes. Apparently a lot
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of loas. López Obrador, you would say that then, in that sense,
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that the Mexican is not left to call it that, no more progress
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has been made on the left, but he does not look. I don
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' t think Mexico doesn' t bring this look. I think it brings
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an even pre- Hispanic process, an electoral culture. I would even call
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you imperial imperial their great civilizations, both the Machia, the Aztec, the
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Zapotecs, etcetera, which generated a king who dragged. Let us say to
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the masses that in this case it was the volución, not the will,
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but the imposition towards the people. That was handled and I think the first
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hereditary model. Let' s say to order the country arises in the thirty
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- first year with the prism and its seventy years of government. Then the
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issue was beyond that he was the candidate. I vote for the system because
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the system is protecting me these years, starting 20 years. So to call
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it democracy, I don' t say full democracy either. When the PRI
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ends it is defeated by the PAN. There are two three such alternations and
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I would even say curiously a small helplessness and confusion in citizenship. He already
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felt protected by the party dad, and neither because it was the Vidal Party.
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It was the State party. No, but we saw it when the
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state party said it. I' m talking all you had to be the
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nomenclature from the last poster painter on the street belonged to the Painters' Union,
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belonging to the Workers' Confederation of the Institutional Revolutionary Party. Not then
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I mean when you break that, maybe the people weren' t prepared either
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and had to see what I' m going to say. Neither the people
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nor the political structures were prepared, one because they wanted to sell democracy and
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the people did not know what democracy was. When I say democracy is a
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question of participation, it is not voting, I do not speak in itself.
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What is meant by a full institutional democratic system comes Peña with a renewed
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pri, let' s say milleña or two zero as we would like to
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call it and where it leaves aside, perhaps that imposition of the pro man.
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And in a generational break, that generational break, the new PRI becomes
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corruption. I don' t mean that the old PRI didn' t have
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corruption, but it was the scheme of so many times our grandparents said Roba,
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but it' s good that that was a little bit the prista scheme.
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In the case of Peña and all of us say a generational model,
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because we were talking about people of forty years old, when much we say
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falls the cross until Andrés Manuel arrives, and what does Andrés Manuel rescue that
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old praista leadership. Let' s say imperial and even oh caudicist I'
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ll call him. Perhaps they are issues not where he guarantees it again or
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intends to guarantee citizenship, to the people. What he calls, let'
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s say, is that there' s someone thinking about them. I mean,
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I remember a famous Dick Morris spot on the rúa campaign for everything he
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said he was shutting down. Someone' s thinking about you. Well,
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this is López Obrador, someone who started thinking about people, the people,
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the homeless, the student, the woman, etcetera. Here I mean,
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if you' re gonna tell me it' s populism, we could call
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it. Yeah, but the thing is with facts. It is not the
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comparative forgiveness populism of Alberto Fernández, who did not leave the citizenry a fate
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either. Let' s say thank you, that is, good with this
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populism. I was better because that populism served us then. This is what
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I could say, it is represented today even in all sectors. There is
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no political participation. Every attempt at political involvement in Mexico has failed since one
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thousand nine hundred and sixty- eight, when it was the famous Mexico to
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sixty- eight Tlatelolcos de corpus that massacred the students that ended, that all
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that rebellion ended up incorporating perhaps the oxygenation of the PRI that leads to work.
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Eh no, no, that you thought all the time the old man
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lost moment, the old prirevolutionary post sixty- eight Postlatelolco, is the one
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that begins to ask for spaces in caudillism. Let' s say traditional of
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the PRI of the 1950s and it becomes the 1990s, First in the 1980s,
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in what was a decision that was the party of the democratic revolution,
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the PRD. And when he mocards, I don' t know the later,
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when we have cardias, and the later brunette didn' t mean it
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was the young rebels of the sixties who begin to confront the caudicism of the
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prista by revolution Lázaro Cárdenas, Father, etcetera, etcetera. So, but
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no, but it' s a matter of cadre struggles, not citizen struggle.
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Again the last real participatory adventure was in the sixty- eight. Let
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' s even say the attempts in Peña Bueno' s time from Hachats the
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Martyrs, now from there, without apani everything. Moreover, they have their
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own teachers' struggle as an eternal and all- powerful union in Mexico,
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but they represent absolutely nothing, not even today political cadres or political spaces have,
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say, active youth, cadre formations, etcetera. That is why it
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is the great challenge that is analyzed post Claudia Shangban already that generation of pridistas
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who are going to be in the eighties and so many years, they have
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no replacement and they are not arming the replacement And how is the weight of
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the youth. So because my law has always held, I put the figure
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no and that real since my nephew settled in St Isidro to the boys who
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labura can not be labored in construction work to others down, let' s
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say, it holds much in more than thirty percent of the very young standard
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that is in Tiktok. In fact, there is some initiative by the Government
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to vote. I don' t think this can be translated into Congress,
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but so that 13- year- olds can show up, which I don
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' t think is an appropriate one for me, but well, I say
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how the issue is what you talked about these new generations that come up with
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almost in the tik tok let' s say in Mexico has a lot of
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electoral weight. It has a lot of weight because I say look at the
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electoral price and more than managed. The theme of youth. It' s
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an accommodative decision, which is the green environmental party of ecologist has nothing green,
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let' s say. It is a fourth place party where it really
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seeks an alliance with the winner and maintains its structure with a very strong skill,
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because it stays in a minority. But the same guy one when we
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' re talking bus a seven, ten percent take out in each election.
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How many get more or less, more or less or not. Then they
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have to see, have located themselves or have an electoral tarchet as of using
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the words of López Obrador, of Niño Fifis. Yes, if not,
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I mean, they' re guys of society or they' re well placed,
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I mean, let' s say there' s a schitito of Barrio
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Norte, yes, smooth respectively, no, and then let' s say
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that their position is simply to add votes for the party with virtually no greater
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political ambition, from beyond having a public office, that is, they practically
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buy the candidacies, which, say, they recover during their government management.
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I mean, I put you as a possible candidate for mayor. Let'
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s say I' m gonna put San Fernando, well the campaign, I
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' ll finance it for you. However, you do not win the choice
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and well, from there you recover the box to not only return me,
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but for now we go to another municipality to olive trees or vicent Lopez,
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etcetera. But I live in Vicente López municipality. Not then, for example,
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here in Quintana Roo. I' d tell you Playa del Carmen yourlum
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Puerto Morelos, the four most powerful and most cashier unitys won by Morena Alliance
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Green Party with Green Party candidates, that is to say forgiveness. And I
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' m going to do an analysis. Perhaps an elitist who does not belong,
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that is not the candidate or the mayor, is not the product of
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the boy or Mr Maya, who comes from the rural area and has densin.
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He has another Luke, perhaps educated in cities in Mexico or in a
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type example of University San Andrés de Sodi Tela, where he returns and perhaps
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with his Luke he assumes the model of the fourth transformation as Alliance, but
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he believes it fits. If you tell me there' s an ideology,
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I' d tell you the only ideology is box and box is just box
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or it' s a status social ascent, that is to say just encountering
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the sounds. No, don' t make a social deal. Not because
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it' s usually also part of the model. It' s not that
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it' s perpetuating that after that the guy starts a political career. It
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' s practically his three- four- year- old deputy mayor, and
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then he disappears to see his party' s term of office. So if
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you tell me there is an ideological will, there is an encounter that you
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say or come, etcetera, etcetera. No, there is no question or
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suddenly there is a lot going on in our country. Let' s also
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say legacies and family inheritances. No, of course, now they' re
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good. I was already mayor, governor or not the boys. Yes,
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yes, yes, but if you would give me, unfortunately, not that
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someone who really doesn' t know how to eat, spend soles, etcetera,
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etcetera, is coming successfully. Not because of the same subject we talked
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about. Let' s say the economic excess that an electoral campaign costs you
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today, for example here in Quintana Roo. It' s terrible. You
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' re not talking about saying an election for mayor of Plaza del Carmen costs
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you perhaps the equivalent of a presidential election in Guatemala, Honduras. So much,
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yes, yes, yes, it' s terrible, twenty- five
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million minimum dollars. There has to be a jackpot because for investing so much
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and the prize on board the box. Yeah, yeah, but I mean,
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but I' ll give you one. We don' t have to
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run this campaign. And well, there' s everyone who sees the possibilities
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of generating future business as well. You keep talking big tourist cities where growth
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levels continue to flow with just a land use permit. You' re already
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on the other side of the counter. Of course, of course the secret
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does, so I would focus this conversation on an emotional vote and up-
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to- date, not on the future. Not then is there what we
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saw in England, what it says in France, we live in Europe as
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well in the case of Latin America and specifically Mexico, on the return of
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a state more than populist, paternalistic. And I would summarize it in this
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concept. Someone' s thinking of me as the stirrup passes and we'
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ll use it, because from here November the selections in Sankilandia. It'
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s a long way from here. Oh, well, byden' s still
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in the campaign. They' ve gone out to the famous amportantes like me
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another club and so on, to say, this man can' t be
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a candidate. Coque in you and let' s say what information or not.
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No. No, I don' t see that the machinery can stop
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the ball and start from zero to November. And another of the things I
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' ve heard, I mean there I can' t tell you because I
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' m not in this circle that whoever we say the most, keeps gathering
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support to fund Spiden' s campaign, I mean, if we' re
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going to say good cruney I put it on crune and put it on Michelle
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Obama, I put it on camala. Well, they' re not figures
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today that drag the sleeve to collect the silver and keep making it videns,
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which I think will seek to reach the elections. Let' s say that
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on a level of dignity, of the least exposure possible, or of taking
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care of it and well and see that it follows, I don' t
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see it. It' s already August. Well Carlos to tell us the
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other day of our common friend, that there is time, especially as just
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what we talked about the networks and so on, you have time to install
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a camala to win it from California or whatever. But, it' s
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true, I agree on good average. I see it' s hard,
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not because the machinery is thrown and one is true. One in this sense,
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sees it difficult now to install. What happens is that you don'
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t have guarantees of success either, not because it' s not that bad
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baca and it' s most likely that clear, of course, you'
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re not bringing. Let' s say an astronaut who' s going,
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I don' t know, I' m going to put. He didn
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' t celebrate a James. No, then, where the guy already drags
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with him, let' s say a baggage from another sector of the population,
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from other areas outside the unknown power, I don' t know.
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I' m saying I' ll put it. In the case of the
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crun and to say, well, ok is known, then he can add
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up. But from the political machine, I see no more being in front
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of a totally media person like Strumps. Sure yes, I mean, I
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mean, start from scratch and if you' re out good to see,
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when you' re going to throw it you. I' ll repeat.
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We are first August, it would be August, September to October, three
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months, unless it is such a totally media type, where practically the networks
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can and another alternative and a little adding to what Carlitos says, the networks
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can help you, but also that you have to have the silver threads put
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into the networks to generate all that direct communication. No yes, of course
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with him then with the addition that seeing that change in the background means a
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defeat, he was empowering a sick person. I mean, why didn'
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t you see him before? No, I mean, you have to do
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it. For example, yesterday he watched a show and closed fast, because
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he called the last word the question of the day of the sports program,
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that of Sunday. It' s Messi' s last game, like saying
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that already if one came to a win, it was already the last,
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that it was the Cup and so on. No. So the question was
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if the polls were okay. Many said that if he was to see a
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guy who reaches these categories, he is already in the decision whether or not
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to go ahead. In Byden' s case, I think he' s
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the most powerful man in the world and he' s going to have to
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decide yes or no. Totally good. And while we are playing internationally today,
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the only thing I want to highlight three seconds and you allowed me yes
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yesterday I saw the parade beyond anything, that yes, I think it was
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a demand to the institutions of Argentina and that perhaps to the people who are
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now forty years old and are colonels of the army that were not even born
33:25
when during the process. So I think it' s time to also look
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forward and feel like it was a little step to start looking forward. There
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' s no money in there, no. Not obviously, not the military
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fili, but I say planes, helicopters and so on, there' s
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money when I want and there' s no money when I want it.
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No, but, well, this is the count. I do you on
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the air, because it' s something I' ve even manifested on social
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media and if I didn' t say anything, it would seem like I
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wanted to, that I wanted to look good with you and I don'
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t start seeing the name. Maybe you' re right, I won'
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t deny it. You might be right. I don' t see it,
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let' s say, I didn' t analyze it from that point
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of view. Evidently, to make that flight the plane had to fill the
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tank no, that is to say it' s a simple comment, don
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' t be the tank need the money simply is the fact that suddenly it
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is important not to think again that the institutions are the basis and the support
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of a republic. Not well, I mean, I didn' t criticize
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two years ago, when the defide van didn' t define the anthem he
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sang it elegantly, but I think the country needs, let' s say,
35:08
to have the feet. I would, I would criticize that hippno that
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enchanted elegant. I don' t have any censored problems or criticize that,
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but, well, yeah, yeah, well, neither don' t what
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the way it is doesn' t seem wise, na, but good nothing.
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Don Gustavo. We' ll arrange by private line to see apart from
35:29
Wednesday, your other incursion. If it' s Tuesday, those Thursdays,
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well, we' ll fix it, if we' ll have it two
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days next week, all right to think hand hug. Great. Thank you,
35:38
Gustavos, stop the Golfe, are our collaborator, our correspondent there,
35:43
from North America. I' m talking a little bit about extremism, the
35:47
extreme political right and we end up with the parade that you can already see.
35:52
There as it is in the batch, in our nets and so on.
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I have had part of a critical opinion, especially on this subject.
35:57
Not that the President manifests is again silver. Good for trips abroad, which
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are many and are records, many are of private tenor for the figuration of
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the President himself, rather than for the Argentina Country brand or for this type
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of events. Yes, there' s money, that' s all to
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start with, and after that we' re talking about the pause with economist
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Ariel Marxi. It' s all right. We remind you that you can
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find us on social networks, on our website where we extend our journalistic work.
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We find ourselves on Twitter, under Nick Arroba, boarding on Instagram fer
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M two thousand twenty- two. Ferm de Fermaury two thousand twenty- two
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and, as always where we had audios of the program analysis of columnists specialists.
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Our website manages triplo NVESTO, approachosm Blogspot, com ar sos fan of
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friends. All right, all right. Here we are sixteen thirty- six.
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We' re going to talk about economist Daniel Marx. Daniel Good afternoon,
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Fernando Greeting, Good afternoon, Well, well, thank you, how
37:37
good it is. Thank you for at andrando Daniel Good blessed and remanido theme
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of the stocks, to see at what point we are at. The President
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again made yesterday' s statements at a time when he said among all the
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paraphernalia of independence. He said I have 20 minutes. Well he answered questions
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on Twitter and there he put three dots on the exit of the stocks,
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because this delayed, etc etc. And you also wonder not what the economic
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bet can be, because if he comes out of the stocks, he risks
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a dollar jump without reserves, with which this entails his great mac would touch
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his great flag, which is inflation, or also if he delays the exit
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of the stocks, in principle it would not speed up an eventual acceleration of
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an economic reactivation or rebound. I don' t know how you see it
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yourself. Yeah, yeah, well. Everything in economy has its costs and
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benefits and one takes more or less risks. What you can tell is that
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good. There is an attitude of taking little risk, in the sense that
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there is a reading, that there is still a quantity of money, of
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superior weights which would be prudent from the point of view of the Government.
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And that, if the power is released it could at the exchange rate affect
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inflation. Therefore, now a comment associated with this too and is good.
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Leaving the type does not necessarily mean lifting all restrictions overnight, but this same
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government has come to kill it by releasing the stocks a little and could be
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made from higher steps. Or let' s not say that is manageable in
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part from the point regulation second comment is when we talk about surplus weights,
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this also has to do with excellent compared to the amount of weights people want
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to have. And the truth is that it seems to me that we should
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also think about how to try to strengthen them by weight, that people have
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more incentives, more reasons to keep the weights. And that' s the
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grace. Part of the inflation. It has to do with the places of
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interest, it has to do with an institutional role of the Central Bank,
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which perhaps should be encouraged and cared for more. And you told me that
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there is as one to see here to take another attitude of taking little risk,
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a reading that well the amount of pesos we talked about and that because
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the type of change that reading is very conservative, or it is a correct
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reading for judgment, in the marx at this time qu, in July August
40:37
in Argentina, or I think it has some notice of conservative, but also
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that effect of what is being decided within the same government. These are not
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entirely uncontrollable things for the Government. We are talking about the promotion, the
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defense of the weights, against the other situations, against their price, against
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a devaluation and when you believe to see a little, the market thinks that
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or analysts, that this will be gradual. Now when is the starting point
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of this gradual in greater form, let' s say at the end of
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the year, you can be good before it depends on the mix of politics.
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Let' s say this one. The same Minister of Economy said somehow
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the era of negative rates of the desire to liquefy is over. We have
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to see how this materializes. In addition, I mean, we' re
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seeing that over there the government gave the scheme of the so- called allicuation
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very strong and that affected the exit. The Government can correct it. I
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think so. I insist again and some intuition, for putting that word from
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when we might be dating, starting to come out. My impression is that,
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in theory, one could get out and it would be better to get
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out relatively quickly because of the effects that we said about the activity promoting invectives
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and, in some way, giving a signal that the worst already happened ended
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up ordering the last of the last round so that that is left behind.
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Now I think the government is saying very cautiously about that very conservative and is
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delaying it. The cost of that is that the activity suffers more, the
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investment decisions can be postponed and the reading of the inflation does not necessarily go
42:58
down, but that perhaps already medium term it rises because well we are seeing
43:05
that the between the rate of the official exchange and the others are breaking down
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and that is affecting the prices also in the inflation. In other words,
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the rise of the financiers can affect, it can hit inflation and something like
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that of greater or lesser begging. That' s right now. There has
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always been talk of the need for funds, make the Monetary and Land Fund
43:34
redundant, that is, to strengthen reserves without having ten, fifteen to twenty
43:37
thousand reserves, How to get out of the stocks. Let' s say
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yes, yes, exactly. The government let it go and clearly is looking
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for that in the Monetary Fund. Somehow he also answered her. I mean,
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well, maybe, maybe not. But let' s discuss how they
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strengthen the demand for weight, how they make the transition, how they improve
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interest rates for the Arristas. And we' re going at a slow pace.
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I say I ask you to see the rate go up now. Caputo
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didn' t know fifteen twenty days ago that he said positive rates. Caputo
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once said that he sanctioned the basic law and let' s give a tax
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drop country. This was mentioned again once the law was passed, he shared
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in law, but he already announced it by August September. I mean it
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goes too cautious, too much with the foot in the clutch or should have
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accelerated cups and lowered the tax good country. I personally believe that I should
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have considered speeding up a little because some major settlement of foreign exchange by carriers
44:54
could be taken advantage of, where it is noted that also to the order
45:00
of the government do they respond with caution. Apart from them it is mobilizing
45:04
the marketing of the little thing, for example. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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there' s a topic there we' re not, because if the
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central couldn' t add up to reserves in strong months, like it was
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June, now we' re complicated. Let' s not say with the
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maturities there are more. That' s why he mentioned the times and windows,
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where it' s easier to do it than in other situations, and
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that generates these don' t sound. I wouldn' t say run but
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these noises that we see on the mark with a country risk that if you
45:37
see it dropped good by one percent and follows one thousand five hundred almost one
45:40
thousand four hundred seventy- six. A BLU that re- set a new
45:43
record goes up just ten pesos, but continues to climb to one thousand four
45:45
hundred and fifty. That why we see these moves in the market. Or
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it' s just volatility, as the government said. I don' t
45:53
think so. So there is some volatility, but there is also a reading.
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Or some thought that this window, from the sale of the potential harvest
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could have taken advantage of, move faster in that sense. And well and
46:13
the doubts appear and potermization does not have too much cost associated against reading prudence,
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between quotation marks that the government says well, I want to strengthen the
46:29
reserves with an important additional loan from the Monetary Fund. And that' s
46:35
where the discrepancies about the postponements appear. Well, you guys one of h
46:40
has to look for my digital agenda from the big negotiators that Argentina has had
46:45
with the outside in the Fund and so on is Daniel March. Some people
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tell me that this, if it is given well on fire, slow that
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it is difficult to get ten fifteen whatever the Monetary Fund was. I don
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' t know what opinion between you guys seems pretty complicated. If you win
47:00
Trump you could just be thinking in February March. Trump let' s remember
47:07
glogota to November eventually and his gender. So I say it comes as long
47:12
as that eventual loan, if it comes, that' s what some people
47:15
say. I don' t know what your opinion is. I mean with
47:15
all the particles. Yeah, yeah, well it also depends on the nature
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of the economic program Let' s call it that' s where the Fund
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mentions the role of monetary policy, among other things. That, on the
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one hand, depends on a political decision. It seems to me that,
47:37
anyway, fifteen billion is a very important number for the Fund, which has
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no precedent that I know as to the amount of money borrowed from a single
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country in relation to sub- tightening or the economy, the so- called
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quota with the Fund Well one thousand fifty five thousand always the thing is not
48:00
necessarily white or black or zero or fifteen thousand this not necessarily or now or
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we have to wait for March. That' s what there' s going
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to be, maybe they' ll study graduating, but they could get there,
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even if it' s eight ten, they could make it to three
48:24
of the year. You believe, and it' s not easy, not
48:30
easy, but back it also depends on the program and the content of all
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the other variables that make economic policy, that well, naughty funds for bad
48:46
look what you think now is maintained sustainable technorinten of two percent with again up
48:52
to four percent of inflation. If you see slowing down what' s done
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in June there are beef trains. Surely it is sustainable this so criticized and
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the delay change a chronicle for the officer of two percent. Yeah, I
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think it' s hard to talk about currency arrears. So in abstract.
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Let us say, of course, there is a discrepancy between the two and
49:16
the four of evaluation and denization. But, well, that discrepancy we have
49:21
noticed in Argentine history many times. And that' s where it depends back
49:30
on appetite, not on people having to keep the weights. Argentina has had
49:37
many years of superhero and commercial and not increase reserves or decrease reserves, and
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the difference is seen to several things, but among others it is this movement
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to go out or enter pesos compared to dollars this and that is what I
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think needs to be taken care of, especially the circumstances where there is a
50:02
commercial superbabil but there are not many sources of financing. So, well,
50:08
it depends on what we decide, like it' s convenient to do with
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our money. Well the last two, Daniel and thanking you for the talk
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to see the reflection of notes we' ve read in the last few days.
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You were issued more weights during Millay management than in the first semester of
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this two thousand twenty- three, that is, a year ago. That
50:30
generated criticism from some and support from others. What are you looking at about
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the in- quota debate on broadcasting in the no- minul management. I
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think what I' ve seen is that many talk about statistics a year ago
50:46
compared to the current situation. Yeah, that' s two very different approaches.
50:54
The second was also enough for acquisition, strengthening of reserves, which is
51:02
very different from financing a fiscal deficit. I believe that, in general during
51:09
these months new funding for the fiscal deficit in pesos. There was thus financing
51:17
in dollars that the Central Bank gave to the national government that would be good
51:22
to regularize. But serious problem seems to me is that there was no encouragement
51:32
to the idea and incentives for people to keep the weights. Then there was
51:42
like an outflow of the money from the pesos that would be desirable and this
51:50
generated a monetary imbalance that the Central Bank acted. He responded by absorbing more
51:58
weights and this affected economic activity. Well I have said that for you in
52:02
passing this lack of initiatives, perhaps a policy many too many coincidents with the
52:07
issue of the equation, I say you mentioned spending too much active the Central
52:13
Bank, too accentuating too fast down rates. This is not clear from the
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stabilization programmes that have worked on different sides. The Central Bank had a rule
52:22
of games that made it relatively autonomous with respect to political activity that strengthened its
52:30
credibility and, therefore, the issuance of pesos that it makes with rules of
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economic games and economic situation that accompany it. Good. A colleague of yours,
52:43
Orlando Forres, I don' t want him to refer to Orlando Yes,
52:45
but to the concept. He' s talked about a Bonnex plant since
52:49
that press conference in Caputa and Bauxlia two days ago. If I' m
52:52
not mistaken, I repeat leaving Orlando aside talking about Plan BONEX. What do
52:58
you think about that trial? Yes, I have, well, it was
53:02
Orlando that I read clarified after that there would be some discrepancies between plant Onex
53:08
and it was announced. I believe that what Milady Caputo talked about was not
53:15
yet specified what the instrument is going to be, how the letter to the
53:22
banks will work. That is under discussion and I think we should wait a
53:27
bit before we think about it, even the detail to assimilate it into past
53:35
situations well, and finally, when a choir member who you see what or
53:39
read that has grown the difference between rich and poor, let' s say
53:45
called index Gini, for example, what look she has on that. Not
53:47
well, that does, unfortunately, indicate a society where, besides the cake,
53:57
let' s say, in the last decades or more than a decade,
54:02
has been falling and thus generated distribution problems and thus generated important social tension.
54:14
So the first reading is rather how we do for the cake to increase
54:22
and the benefits to be distributed according to the merits and to the population and
54:29
their needs in the most generalized ways possible. Well, Daniel, thank you
54:36
so much for the difference. Thanks also to a great greeting, the economist
54:39
Daniel Marx. Here in plural construction. We leave Economist, Economist, Good
54:44
Live, Daniel Marx, who finally to the first recorded audio of the week
54:47
of the two who are not via each week, Alexander Romana. So we
54:51
' re going with Rockman. We meet here tomorrow at 4 p m with
54:54
Alejandro, perui, if there is time, also with a second audio.
54:57
I' m sure they' re all new. More thanks, Juan,
55:00
Gracias, Silvia by Way, this is Alejandro rozan in his virtual weekly column.
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This week has very important and facuriated facts to this day. We are
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recording the sea and that determine persistences of projects that do not change in their
55:31
course in the case of Argentino and unique innovations at the international level. First
55:37
I will refer to what happened in Gran Pereaña and France in that last week.
55:45
Contrary to what seemed to be an inexorable process of aberration of politics and
55:52
popular vote in countries leading the world economy and society such as Britain and France,
56:00
very strong signs of resurrection appeared on the horizon, of conceptions of politics
56:09
and of the management of the society of the ultra- right sectors came strongly
56:15
disqualifying in the course of this last year in Britain, the most important thing
56:24
is the defeat of conservativeism, the triumph of laborism that I founded, which
56:30
was very significant, but that in the history of that country' s political
56:37
life appears in the fall of the conservative ideas of Margat Sacers, especially identified
56:43
with the majority that ruled the country until two days ago, as a cycle
56:51
of very singular reduction of its presence in the popular session in the country.
57:05
Perhaps the defeat of the conservative vision was based, for example, on the
57:10
poor management of public enterprises, the fall in the real income of workers,
57:16
the weakening of social assistance, especially in the area of health, and the
57:22
devaluation of social welfare policy, based on the general extension of retirement, that
57:31
is, pillars of the conservative conception. The ultra- right liberal nedio of
57:40
British society rejected very strongly in France. It seemed safe, before the two
57:50
elections, the first round and then the second, that the phenomenon of the
57:58
ultra- right in political power became a phenomenon that no one could avoid.
58:07
He was advancing the depen vote as a triumphant vote. In the first round,
58:15
it seemed that way because it drew several points from the alliance to the
58:21
left, but in the second the terms were reversed and finally the region was
58:29
victorious concrete union of the four most representative political and social forces of progressive thought,
58:38
the Labour Party, Socialist Party. In fact, I forgive the Communist
58:45
Party, the Party of the Greens and those who advocate significant transformations of French
58:52
political life, grouped in a tournament by Mr Mengerón and who calls himself France
59:00
in its own name, that is, rebel France. This indicates that it
59:05
is not conclusive and definitive the prelo mine of the forces of the most extreme
59:13
direct in Europe, as evidently it appeared to be towards two such significant electoral
59:22
events, and the popular reaction was based on the very critical judgment of economic
59:29
and social policy. In one case, he ruled in Britain more than a
59:32
decade in a well- interrupted way in the hand of the conservatives and the
59:38
presence of a very strong, deeply rooted and invincible movement of the right.
59:47
In France, the proposals of what were successful in both electoral events had to
59:57
do with the recovery of wages, the fountization of a social welfare policy favourable
1:00:02
to the older population, the issue of prices of basic necessities that in France,
1:00:09
the successful left coalition proposed to freeze as an immediate solution to its very
1:00:15
excessive disruption in recent months and the demand that the health system in both countries
1:00:24
regain freshness. The offer presented in all circumstances in the face of the needs
1:00:40
of the population had been deployed in the initial years of its implementation, i
1:00:47
e a proposal identically to the left versus the other, which was identified with
1:00:54
the purest principles of the conservative right. Somehow it leaves us with a teaching
1:01:01
and let us hope that this change will manifest itself. At least from my
1:01:07
point of view, it takes time.