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BPS 451: Making Movies Without Sight: Inside the Creative Mind of Gough · Bulletproof Screenwriting™ Podcast

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  Speaker 2: Enjoy today's episode with guest host Dave Bullets.
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  Speaker 4: On this episode of the podcast, I have a very
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  Speaker 4: special filmmaker because he has a very special journey, a
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  Speaker 4: very special case, even more so than usual because he's
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  Speaker 4: actually blind. This person is the first legally blind person
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  Speaker 4: to write, produce, edit, direct and start a feature film,
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  Speaker 4: which is the first time that's happened, I mean, you know.
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  Speaker 4: And then he's going to to write and produce and
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  Speaker 4: direct to many other projects, including a number of films,
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  Speaker 4: audiobooks and books. His film production company, Beer Nuts Productions,
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  Speaker 4: has worked with some of Australia's finest actors, artists and
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  Speaker 4: production crew and he has been able to you know,
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  Speaker 4: he's doing you know, following his dream. He's doing it
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  Speaker 4: right there in Australia. And that's one of the things
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  Speaker 4: about this podcast is pulling people from all over the world,
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  Speaker 4: and it's seeing that all of the great things are
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  Speaker 4: happening all over the place, and we talk all about
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  Speaker 4: that stuff and how do you make a film when
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  Speaker 4: you're blind? And you know, all the doors were closed
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  Speaker 4: in his face and nobody really took them seriously, and
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  Speaker 4: now he's out there doing it and now he's on
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  Speaker 4: this podcast with guest Goff. You know, by the way,
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  Speaker 4: you were actually the first person from Australia that they've
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  Speaker 4: actually had on the podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I feel honored. I feel OneD. Sorry, Yeah, you're
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  Speaker 3: making it the global now you're going global.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. We've had Canadians on, I've had British filmmakers
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  Speaker 4: on and now and I've had New Zealand filmmakers on.
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  Speaker 4: So now we're going to go to Australia. Now I'm a.
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  Speaker 3: Little upset that New Zealand came before Australia. I do
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  Speaker 3: have to say, I mean, you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that that's quite I think you've got the order there
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  Speaker 3: a little bit mixed up, you know, so, because obviously
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  Speaker 3: in Australia we make all of our jokes about New Zealanders,
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  Speaker 3: like you guys do about Canadians, you know. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: I'm just a little bit upset the New Zealand came first.
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  Speaker 4: I'm sorry man it What happened was she reached out
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  Speaker 4: to me, and that was our good friend at Film
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  Speaker 4: Swrights PR and she actually reached out to me and
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  Speaker 4: just said, hey, Dave, want to do this and I said, sure,
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  Speaker 4: you know what, I you know what, GoF I did
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  Speaker 4: not think about it though I should have. I should
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  Speaker 4: have said, I'm sorry, I have that something on Australia first,
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  Speaker 4: and then I can have you on.
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  Speaker 3: You'll lope for next time.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, I'll make sure to make that now. I'll
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  Speaker 4: never make that mistake again. I swear to God. So
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  Speaker 4: so so goff. If we get started, uh, you know,
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  Speaker 4: just discussing your career, you know, uh you have a
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  Speaker 4: very interesting, uh you know backstory because you know, I've
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  Speaker 4: never had anyone on the show before that has that
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  Speaker 4: is actually legally blind and you're a filmmaker, and I
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  Speaker 4: mean I think that is so unique and so just incredible,
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  Speaker 4: and I think you know a lot of people are
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  Speaker 4: interested to hear you know, how you actually your your
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  Speaker 4: process and how you work. So so just to get started, guff.
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  Speaker 4: You know, how when when did you get started actually,
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  Speaker 4: you know, making films and making movies well, being.
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  Speaker 3: Up to Productions, which is my production company. I started
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  Speaker 3: back back in two thousand and six, so a long
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  Speaker 3: time ago now, And I first started, like, I had
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  Speaker 3: a bunch of scripts that I had written, and I
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  Speaker 3: was sending them out to distributors, networks, production companies, private investors,
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  Speaker 3: I mean honest, sending out what the play You couldn't
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  Speaker 3: even imagine the pl I was sending out the pictures
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  Speaker 3: and scripts, and it became clear to me that nobody
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  Speaker 3: wanted to pick up my work, and it was based
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  Speaker 3: purely on the fact that they knew I had a disability,
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  Speaker 3: and they're like, oh, blind, this is what the hell
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  Speaker 3: is this guy thinking. So you know, they weren't actually
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  Speaker 3: you know, reading the work promptly. They were just you know,
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  Speaker 3: dismissing me out of hand. So in twenty ten, I thought, well,
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  Speaker 3: the best thing to do is to make a film myself,
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  Speaker 3: and I'll show them that I can actually do what
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  Speaker 3: I say I can do. So that's when I made
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  Speaker 3: my very first film, which was a ninety minute full
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  Speaker 3: length documentary all about disability. And mental health called I
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  Speaker 3: will not go quietly, and so I did all of
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  Speaker 3: that myself. So I shot up myself, I edited myself,
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  Speaker 3: I got the funds myself, you know, I bought my
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  Speaker 3: own equipment. I did the lot myself, and so I
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  Speaker 3: thought that would That's part of the narrative of the
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  Speaker 3: story of that particular documentary is actually showing that, yes,
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  Speaker 3: I can actually do what I say I can do
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  Speaker 3: as well as obviously we interview twenty four experts like
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  Speaker 3: neurosurgeons and school teachers and psychologists and even comedians as
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  Speaker 3: well to get their take on disability and mental health
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  Speaker 3: issues and stuff like that. So after I did the documentary,
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  Speaker 3: then I thought, well, you know, I want to keep
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  Speaker 3: going doing what I'm doing. And so yeah, I just
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  Speaker 3: started making my own turning my scripts that I had
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  Speaker 3: that I was sending out. I thought, we'll just make
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  Speaker 3: them myself, and so I, yeah, I just funded them
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  Speaker 3: myself and started the gravy train, so to speak.
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  Speaker 4: So just to sort of take a step back, when
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  Speaker 4: you mentioned when you were, you know, getting rejected and
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  Speaker 4: they were sort of saying, you know, what does this
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  Speaker 4: guy know? You know, what kind of scripts were you writing?
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  Speaker 4: Was it like a full Was it full length scripts
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  Speaker 4: or was it like short film scripts?
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  Speaker 3: I had everything, man, I mean I've been writing ever
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  Speaker 3: since I was a little kid. So I had everything
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  Speaker 3: from TV series, the short films, the feature films, like
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  Speaker 3: things that were big budget and things that were tiny.
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  Speaker 3: And so I was sending out all different kinds of
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  Speaker 3: things to all different kinds of people, and yeah, just
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  Speaker 3: putting together some what I thought were really strong pictures.
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  Speaker 3: And yeah, like I said, just nobody wanted to know.
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  Speaker 3: So I figured the you know, I didn't want to
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  Speaker 3: give up. I mean, I figured I spent all this
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  Speaker 3: time writing all this great work. You know, I want
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  Speaker 3: people to enjoy it and be entertained by what I do.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, the best way to do it is
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  Speaker 3: to just do it myself. If they're not going to
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  Speaker 3: help me, then I'll just do it myself pretty much.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And that dya attitude to do yourself. I think
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  Speaker 4: that that, you know, as we were, you know in
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  Speaker 4: twenty seventeen, that attitude is prevalent everywhere because you can
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  Speaker 4: make your own film now, you know, you can shoot
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  Speaker 4: it on her cell phone, as we've had Sean Baker,
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  Speaker 4: who did Tangerine he'd shut his film on a cell
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  Speaker 4: phone you can distribute it yourself. With Jason brubriger On
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  Speaker 4: talking about that, So you know, things have definitely changed
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  Speaker 4: GoF where you can now do those types of things
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  Speaker 4: yourself and you can be you could be almost the
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  Speaker 4: one man army, you know what I mean. You can
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  Speaker 4: go out and produce material and say you know what,
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  Speaker 4: I can do this stuff and you know what, I
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  Speaker 4: Am going to do it and here it.
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  Speaker 3: Is absolutely man, I couldn't agree more. Actually, there's a
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  Speaker 3: very famous Australian comedian, writer, producer, director who done a
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  Speaker 3: bit of everything called Ian mcfadgen, who was huge in
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  Speaker 3: the nineteen eighties on Australian television and he now is
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  Speaker 3: a lecturer at university and I remember meeting him one
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  Speaker 3: day and he said to me, he said, Gos, it's
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  Speaker 3: never been easier to make because he was talking about TV.
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  Speaker 3: He said, it's never been easier to make a TV show,
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  Speaker 3: but it's never been harder to get it out. And
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  Speaker 3: he's absolutely right. I mean, the equipment prices have gone down,
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  Speaker 3: Like you say, you can even shoot stuff with a
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  Speaker 3: cell phone if you want to, so that I mean,
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  Speaker 3: so it's never been easier to make it and edit
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  Speaker 3: it and get it packaged and ready to go, But
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  Speaker 3: it's now so hard to get it out to the public.
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  Speaker 3: Because it's hard for you to promote your work and
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  Speaker 3: get the public to your particular website, you know, to
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  Speaker 3: your wherever you're housing your your gear. It's hard for
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  Speaker 3: them to for you to put your hand up in
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  Speaker 3: such a crowded marketplace and say, look at me, look
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  Speaker 3: at me. So it's never been easier to do it,
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  Speaker 3: but it's also never been harder to get your work
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  Speaker 3: out there for people to enjoy.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the new war of eyeballs and ears and
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  Speaker 4: you and you say, and you say, you know, how
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  Speaker 4: do I get people to see my stuff? How do
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  Speaker 4: I get people to listen to my stuff? How do
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  Speaker 4: I get people to read my stuff? You know, since
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  Speaker 4: content creation is increasing every every year, every month, every week,
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  Speaker 4: every day, every hour, it's like, you know, and there's
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  Speaker 4: so much stuff being you know, out there, and the
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  Speaker 4: barriers are are are gone and the sort of you know,
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  Speaker 4: the barrier's entry are gone, and now you know, everyone
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  Speaker 4: has the Internet.
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  Speaker 4: Well, well, for the time being. Here in America, we
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  Speaker 4: all have the Internet. I don't know if you I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if you know this, Golf, but they might
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  Speaker 4: end net neutrality here and I don't know how that's
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  Speaker 4: going to play into content creation and all this stuff,
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  Speaker 4: but we'll see about that. But so so, but just
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  Speaker 4: to sort of go back to us talking about with
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  Speaker 4: everyone being able to make stuff, it's it's the war
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  Speaker 4: of you know, how do you stand out from the pack? So,
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  Speaker 4: you know, and I do want to talk also about
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  Speaker 4: your documentary, but as one of this topic, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what are some of the things that you found Golf
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  Speaker 4: that that are that enabled you to stand out and
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  Speaker 4: sort of you know, stand out from the pack.
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  Speaker 3: Well, with each project I do, because I've done fourteen
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  Speaker 3: films now, so with each film that I do, I
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  Speaker 3: do a reasonably heavy marketing campaign. I've got a young
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  Speaker 3: lady called Amy on board who helps me with all
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  Speaker 3: my marketing stuff, and so we do social media stuff,
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  Speaker 3: but we also do a lot of old school marketing
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  Speaker 3: campaign So we contact the media, you know, send out
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  Speaker 3: your press releases to local media and international media and
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  Speaker 3: even like podcast like yourself and yeah, just contact as
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  Speaker 3: many media outlets as we can and try and get
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  Speaker 3: some interview and some press that way as well as
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  Speaker 3: obviously the social media kind of kind of angle as well.
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  Speaker 3: So we sort of hit it in two ways, is
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  Speaker 3: how we go about it at the moment. So yeah,
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  Speaker 3: every time we do a film, we do a reasonably
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  Speaker 3: heavy kind of marketing campaign to go with each film.
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  Speaker 4: So is there any particular like social media channel or
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  Speaker 4: outlet that works best for you?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I have found Facebook and Instagram to be the
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  Speaker 3: two best, but I mean I've heard other people love
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  Speaker 3: Twitter and use Twitter a lot. I'm on Twitter, So
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  Speaker 3: if people jump on all of those platforms and type
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  Speaker 3: in Beer Nuts productions, obviously I'll come straight up. And
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  Speaker 3: I obviously encourage people to life follow and share my
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  Speaker 3: social media pages. So yeah, just being ups productions. But yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I've found Facebook probably to be the best in Instagram
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  Speaker 3: as well. But I mean, I think it's a bit
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  Speaker 3: of horses for courses, you know, whatever you're doing. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: everybody's different in their genre and their style and their
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  Speaker 3: way they go about doing things. I mean, so yeah,
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  Speaker 3: it's a little bit that works for me, but what
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  Speaker 3: works for me probably won't work for another guy. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So, yeah, but I have found
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  Speaker 3: them to be helpful, but you need to do more
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  Speaker 3: than that. You know, you can't just put something up
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  Speaker 3: on YouTube or put something up on Facebook and expect
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  Speaker 3: it to go insane. You know, you got to It's
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  Speaker 3: a full time job. Marketing is the first why I
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  Speaker 3: had to hire somebody, because it really is. It's a
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  Speaker 3: full time gig is marketing, and so you need that
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  Speaker 3: extra help to make sure that people can enjoy your
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  Speaker 3: work because at the end of the day, what's the
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  Speaker 3: point in making something if people aren't going to enjoy it.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's the whole point of doing this is
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  Speaker 3: so that you can entertain people and make people happy.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, that's why we all do what we do.
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  Speaker 3: So you know, it's important that you get the work
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  Speaker 3: out there so people can enjoy it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree completely, Goff. And you know it's in
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  Speaker 4: speaking of you know, all these social media channels and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to ask because I haven't had a chance
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  Speaker 4: to really ask anyone this yet. So you're very close,
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  Speaker 4: well reasonably speaking to China. Uh And in China, the
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  Speaker 4: number one social media app is is Webo. Have you
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  Speaker 4: ever attempted to use like webo for anything. And the
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  Speaker 4: reason I bring that up was just because you know,
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  Speaker 4: the country has you know, I think a couple hundred
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  Speaker 4: million people on there, and I've always and I just
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  Speaker 4: as a marketer, you say to yourself, my god, a
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  Speaker 4: country has one hundred a couple hundred million people then
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  Speaker 4: and it's legit, you know, and it just and it
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  Speaker 4: just keeps rising as China keeps pulling more and more
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  Speaker 4: people towards the city from rural areas to they to
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  Speaker 4: maybe they could reach their full cap. But with so
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  Speaker 4: many people on that, have you ever attempted to try
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  Speaker 4: to use waibel?
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  Speaker 3: I haven't. I'm sorry, Yeah, no, I wish I could
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  Speaker 3: give you a really clever answer, but I can't. But no,
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  Speaker 3: it's no, I never have. It not something that Amy
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  Speaker 3: and I have discussed. To be honest with you, I
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  Speaker 3: think mainly because we mainly go for English speaking audiences.
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  Speaker 3: For the simple reason is, you know, my films are
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  Speaker 3: mainly comedy bass well pretty much all of my work
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  Speaker 3: is comedy base, and so you really need to have
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  Speaker 3: a fairly good grasp of the English language. So we
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  Speaker 3: mainly go for you know, your western sort of country,
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  Speaker 3: so to speak, so you had more English speaking audience.
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  Speaker 3: But I mean it's something that we'd absolutely look into
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  Speaker 3: in the future, but yeah, for now, probably probably not,
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  Speaker 3: but you know, it's on the radar absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. I figured i'd ask, I mean just because I've
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  Speaker 4: never had seen anyone actually use it yet, and I
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  Speaker 4: was just interested, you know obviously, you know, just because
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  Speaker 4: anything that's a couple of hundred million users, you're kind
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  Speaker 4: of like, well, I guess I actually at least attempt
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  Speaker 4: to see what you want to see what this is about,
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  Speaker 4: you know, uh, and you being a lot closer to
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  Speaker 4: China than I am. And uh, but but you know,
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  Speaker 4: as we sort of good, I just want to take
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  Speaker 4: a step back. I mean, I know we've we've kind
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  Speaker 4: of gone away to the marketing aspect of this. But
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  Speaker 4: you know, with all your writing and everything, and and
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  Speaker 4: you know, you grew up with this love of writing,
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  Speaker 4: and you started to write all these screenplays and short
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  Speaker 4: film scripts, and you know, nobody, you know, like like
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  Speaker 4: you just said, nobody really took you seriously or nobody
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  Speaker 4: wanted to produce it, and you ended up making your
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  Speaker 4: own film, which ended up becoming I will not go
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  Speaker 4: quietly and you know what was the impetus And when
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  Speaker 4: you finally said, you know, to yourself, I'm gonna shoot,
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna prove them all wrong. And I'm just gonna
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  Speaker 4: shoot this movie myself, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: do it, and and and I'm just going to move
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  Speaker 4: forward with this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah well oh yeah, well yeah, pretty much out of frustration,
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  Speaker 3: you know, people just not understanding. I mean, there's a
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  Speaker 3: lot of ignorance in the world in regards to disability.
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  Speaker 3: But the good news is is that ignorance is a
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  Speaker 3: curable disease. You know, all you need to do is
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  Speaker 3: get yourself educated, which is pretty easy to do in
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  Speaker 3: now day and age. So it came out through frustration
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  Speaker 3: of people just not understanding, you know, my disability and
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  Speaker 3: what I can and can't do. So I thought, well,
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  Speaker 3: if I use my own story as a template and then,
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  Speaker 3: like I say, get a range of experts to talk
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  Speaker 3: with their knowledge on these subjects of disability and mental health,
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  Speaker 3: then yeah, I reckon I could make a pretty good film.
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  Speaker 3: And sure, en up, I got myself for my ninety
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  Speaker 3: minute feature out of it, which I'm really really proud of.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, like I said that was back in twenty ten,
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: so a little while ago now, But yeah, no, I'm
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: I'm very happy with how it turned out, but yeah,
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: it was. It was all came about through basic frustration
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: really and just not being able to be heard, I guess, really, yeah,
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: And I.
• 17:02
  Speaker 4: Think a lot of people have felt that way, and
• 17:05
  Speaker 4: also installs feel that way. You know, when I and
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: I read about different paths that we've all taken, and
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: not only guests on this podcast, but just hearing people
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: from Hollywood and hearing people in any film world from
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: all over the world, you know, you start to see
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: these different paths that people take, and there is always
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: a time when people sort of say, you know what,
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: there's there's no it seems like every door is closed.
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: You try to go this route and screwing and competitions
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: and that that door is closed. You try to go
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: to this route and you try to get film financing,
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: and then you know that door is closed because it
• 17:38
  Speaker 4: always becomes a catch twenty two right golf, where it's like.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: But you gotta always find a way, man, where you
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: know where there's a will, there's a way. You've got
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: to figure out that that's the that's what it's about, though,
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: because you're absolutely right. I mean, there's nothing more frustrating
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: that and I'm sure a lot of your listeners who
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: are filmmakers would absolutely agree with There's nothing more frustrating
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: the knowing you'll sitting on a really terrific script, a
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: really great idea, and just people just aren't getting it
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason. I mean, maybe maybe your pitch isn't
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: as good as it should be, or maybe they're not
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: reading it ry, or they're not understanding a character, whatever
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: the case may be. But you know, you're sitting on
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: something great. So you just need to figure out, well,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: how can I get this now made? How can I
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: get this out there? You know what, angle do I
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: hate because I mean that's the traditional way of making films.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: I mean, it doesn't really work for everybody. So you've
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: got to figure out, well, how can I get this done?
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: So for me, it was, well, you know what, I'll
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: fund it myself, you know, because a documentary at the
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: end of the day, a documentary isn't that expensive to do,
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: because I mean, once you get the equipment, all you
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: have to do is just organize the interviews that you
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: want to do and get the clips that you need
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: to get and put it together. I mean it's not
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: that different. I mean there's no big stunts or special
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: effects or anything like that that you have to worry about.
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: So a documentary is a reason the easy thing to do.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: And then of course the money that you make from
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: that then you can put to which is what I did,
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: put towards your next project. And then the money you
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: make from that, you put towards your next project, and
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: before you know it, you're you're churning him out, which
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: is absolutely what you want to do. So that that's
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: sort of how my business model has been. So with
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: every project that I relieve, I get the money from that,
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: I put it into the next project and hopefully make
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: it bigger and better. And then you know, I can
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: get more money and make the next film bigger and better.
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: And so that's that's sort of how I go about it,
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: because that's things to work for me.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it's a good Walt Disney always said that,
• 19:35
  Speaker 4: you know, he always he only makes he only makes movies,
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: so we can make more movies. And that's why you know,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: when the money would come and you just take that
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: and you put it towards your next project.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Absolutely, now absolutely, I mean and like I love what
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: I do, I really do, so you know, I don't
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: want to I don't want to blow all my money
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: on something something that isn't going to be helpful to me.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: I mean, I want to keep I've got tons of
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: scripts still to make, you know, I've still got lots
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: of great ideas and.
• 20:06
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• 20:12
  Speaker 2: and now back to the show.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Still got lots of scripts that I need to make,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: So I'm gonna keep going. You know, I'm not going
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: to stop. So yeah, when when people hit the website,
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: the Benuts Productions dot com or c you know, we've
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: got five books, we've got seven audio downloads, and we've
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: got fourteen films for people to enjoy. And so yeah,
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: we're just going to keep on keep on rocking them
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: out as quickly as they possibly can.
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: And that's what you have to do. You have to
• 20:40
  Speaker 4: keep that momentum going. And that's something I've found is
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: that once you hit something, even if it no matter
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: what it is, even if it's a short film that
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: that's that's five ten seconds, or or a podcast, whatever,
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: you have to keep that momentum going. Because if there's
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: one thing I found garfits this confidence is a very
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: hard thing to attain and very easy to lose. But
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: once you have that confidence and you can start keeping
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: the momentum going and it builds up. I mean, once
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: you have confidence Goth, you feel like you can conquer
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: the world.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's very true. But it's also the confidence
• 21:16
  Speaker 3: of others. So for example, when I first did my
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: first scripted projects and not the documentary, when I did
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: my first scripted film, like the talent agent, so I
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: go about making a film like anybody else does. So
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: you know, I contact all the talent agents around Brisbane
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: and the Gold Coast and I give them a brief
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: of you know, let's say, for example, I need a
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: thirty year old guy and he's got to look, well,
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: he's playing a bad guy, so he's got to have,
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: you know, an evil kind of look about him. He's
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: got to look a bit dark and shady. So I'll
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: send out my brief to the agents. They'll send me,
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: you know, back a whole heap of actors who have
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: got on their books that they think would suit. I
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: do auditions. I hire the best actors, so I do
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: it all. How a proper film should be made. So
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: the very first time I did that, man, I struggled
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: so bad to get the agents to take me seriously.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: They're going, you're gonna make a short film by like
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: with what you know, You're going to fund it yourself,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: and you've got a couple of crew members. I mean that,
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: you know, they didn't really take me seriously. But now
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: I'm onto my you know, I just finished my fourteenth film.
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: Now they now have got confidence in me. You know,
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: they know that, you know, I am actually going to
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: pay their actors. They know that I'm not full of shit.
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: I do do what I say I'm gonna do, you
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: know what I mean. So it's also having the confidence
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: in and also the confidence from your audience to know that,
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: you know, they can hit the bea Nuts Production's website
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: and they know that they're going to get a really entertaining,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: funny film, so they're happy to come back time and
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: time again and keep clicking back. So you're absolutely right.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: It's your confidence as well that goes up, but it's
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: also the confidence of people you work with and the
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: confidence of the general public as well to enjoy your work.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's uh, I know you mean at the confidence
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: of others, And you mentioned by the way you're putting
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: everything together, and I wanted to actually ask about that
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: when you were actually making your documentary, your documentary, I
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: will not go quietly. You know, how did you put
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: everything together? Since this was your first outing? You know,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: I imagine you know, obviously you're you're you're still building
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: a network, you're still making contacts, you're still looking for equipment.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: So how did you go about, you know, getting everything
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: together for your first project?
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, when with that particular one. So I basically
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: pulled all my funds together that I had, so pretty
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: much all my savings, which probably isn't the greatest idea
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: in the world, but I thought, well, you know, I've
• 23:33
  Speaker 3: got to go for it. Because that's the other thing too,
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: just going back to your previous point, Sometimes you just
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: got to take a risk, you know, you've got to
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: take a punt and just believe in yourself and believing
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: your work. So I got all my funds together, I
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: bought the equipment that I thought I would need, like
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: just a regular sort of handicam tripod, you know, a
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: little rated couple of radio mics, you know, just basic
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: standard equipment. I organized the interviews with the people. I
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: just went out and I shot them myself, so, you know,
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: just pretty much pointed the camera and hoped for the best,
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: because obviously framing's not going to be something I'm going
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: to be fantastic at. So I just, yeah, I shot
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: it myself, and then I actually when I first finished
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: high school, my first job was working at a radio
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: station as an audio producer, making their commercials and their promos.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: So I did that for about three years. So I've
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: had a lot of practice in editing audio. So when
• 24:26
  Speaker 3: it comes to editing a film, I do it like
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: I'm editing a radio commercial, in this case, a ninety
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: minute radio play. So I get the clips that I want,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: I put them to one side, and then I just
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: put the clips together like a jigsaw puzzle, so just
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: making sure that they all make sense and they're all coherent,
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: so to speak, and yeah, just put it together like that.
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: So I just edit by audio, and that still happened today.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: So I've got Simon, who's my right hand man now,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: who I edit with, and so he makes sure that like,
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: for example, let's say somebody is getting exiting a car
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: for a so he'll make sure that the shot from
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: inside the car is going to marry up with the
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: shot outside of the carpet is not, you know, so
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: it's nice and smooth, you know. So he makes sure
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: all that stuff is how it should be for me.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: But I pretty much tell him my cues as to
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: you know, when we're going from a if it's a conversation,
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: for example, if we're going from a long shot to
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: a close shot, I'll know in my mind the audio
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: the cue point that. So when the girl finishes speaking,
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: for example, I want to cut to the two shot
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: then and have them both on shots. So I know
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: all my cues by audio, so I'll say the Simon right,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: cut it there, two shot, and so he'll make it
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: all happen for me now. So I still edit by
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: audio even today.
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you I wanted it as too. Before I
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: forget did you did you have a full time job
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: while you were making this film?
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: No? No, no, so yeah I I well, yeah, like
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: I said, I started in radio doing and then I
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: also was While I was working in radio, I was
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: also touring as a stand up comedian. So I've toured
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: all over the plate doing stand up comedy and so
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: when I started up being up to production, I was
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: still doing the stand up comedy. But then as obviously
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: as the films have sort of taken over the doing
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: stand up comedy, I don't really do that anymore, so
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: I sort of gave that away. So, yeah, when I
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: was doing I Will Not Go Quietly the first film,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I was doing the occasional stand up gig. But but yeah, no,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: that was pretty much the end of stand up and
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: working full time on the production company.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: The reason I brought that up was because a lot
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: of filmmakers when they're making their first, you know, first movie,
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: they're either working a full time job, they're going to school,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: they have a family, or a combination of the three,
• 26:54
  Speaker 4: and it's it's always like, how the hell do you
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: have the time to do it?
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: You know what?
• 26:57
  Speaker 4: I mean to do anything else? And then it's always
• 27:00
  Speaker 4: at that point, you know, whether when you know you're
• 27:03
  Speaker 4: you decided you've had enough, you're gonna make something of
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: your own, and you're this is gonna be you know,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: your shot. It's also about you know, you're at that
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: point where you have really nothing left to lose, so
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: to speak, and you know, you know, we're just pulling
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: yourself off out of that and making those connections and
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: finding the time, and you don't have them. What you
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: don't you get up early, you go to bed late.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: You know, you call in every favor you can to
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: to make sure that this this movie is as good
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: as possible. Because I actually had on the guy Elliot Grove,
• 27:35
  Speaker 4: who runs rain Dance, and he actually, uh was, was
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: the person who helped Christopher Nolan make his first film.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: Following and Christopher Nolan made it on weekends and he
• 27:45
  Speaker 4: would come to his office and you know, borrow the
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: same equipment and he was done, you know, he you know,
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Christopher Nolan went off and was making other movies at
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: that point, you know, and the rest is history. But
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: you know, that's why I'm always fascinated about people's first
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: films because always a very like David Lynch with a
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: raser head. It took me years to finish that film.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: And you know, that's why I'm always interested about people's
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: first films, because there's always a unique even a unique
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: story within the story.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well that's why I say, you know, yeah,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: you just like you are absolutely correct. I mean, it
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: came to a point where I was like, you know what,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't keep getting rejected by people that
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: don't understand me and my work and whatnot. So, you
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: know what, I just have to do this, I mean,
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: otherwise I'm going to be going around in circles like
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: on a racetrack like for the next ten, fifteen, twenty
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: thirty years. I mean there's guys that I used to
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: do stand up comedy with who were still working the
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: same rooms doing the same jokes fifteen years later. I mean, I,
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: like I said, I haven't done a stand up comedy
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: gig I reckon in at least five, probably seven years.
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: But I mean, these guys that I used to tour with,
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: they're still doing the same stuff. You know that they're in.
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: They're in a rutso to speak. You know, they they
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: need to and some of them are really funny, talented
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: guys who could actually really kick some goals if they
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: just sort of put their mind to focusing on what
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: they really want to achieve and what they want to do,
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: you know. So I suppose it's just comes down to
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: a case of having the confidence, like you said earlier,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: to back yourself in and go, you know what, I
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: can actually do this, I want to do it and
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: you never. Hey, look Ben, you've only got one life.
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: You may as well give it or you've got you've
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: got to give it a shot, you know what I'm saying.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I couldn't agree more. Guff. You know that by
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: the way, you know, as you were describing those comedians
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: that you that you used to work with, you know
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: that would make an interesting documentary just following them around.
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely have you ever thought about that? Well, because the
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: other thing too, I mean, I don't know. I'm sure
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: a few of your listeners probably a comedy nerds or
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: go and watch a lot of stand up comedy or whatever.
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: But behind the scenes it's a very caddy kind of
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: backstabbing kind of industry.
• 30:00
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• 30:06
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• 30:09
  Speaker 3: Because especially in Australia, there's a lot of comedians and
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: not enough rooms, so people are fighting for work. So
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of you know, like mean girls kind
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: of you know, butty high school bullshit that goes on
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: behind political nonsense that goes on behind the scenes, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: Like so it would absolutely make it if you were
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: able to do it properly. I mean, like, really do
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: a proper fly on the wall and absolutely expose all
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: the bullshit that goes on. Because everybody thinks comedians are
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: just happy, wonderful, hilarious, great people. But that's I mean,
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: just changing topics slightly. That's why I think comedians make
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: such fantastic actors. I mean, you look at somebody like
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: Robin Williams, you know, Billy Connolly is another one. You know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: comedians make great actors because every night they go on
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: stage and they play a character. You know, so what
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: you're seeing on stage, they're really funny and they're doing
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: funny jokes, but that's not who they are when they
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: get off stage, they're a completely different person. That's just
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: their stage persona. So they're acting, you know, five, sometimes
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: even seven nights a week. And so that's why I
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: think that when it comes to doing a serious role,
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of comedians of fantastic actors. I mean, I
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: saw Will Farrell. I mean people wouldn't think of him
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: as being a great actor, but I saw him in
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: a film called Stranger Than Fiction, which I think I
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: was the only person who actually saw that film. It
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: was a really great film. But he and he had
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: to play a sort of a Truman Show, kind of
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: a serious sort of a character. And he was absolutely fantastic.
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: He did a wonderful job. You know, it was really great.
• 31:44
  Speaker 3: So I think that's why comedians make great actors, is
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: because they're acting every night. So going back to the
• 31:51
  Speaker 3: original point, I think a documentary like that would be
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: really really fascinating because you'd actually see what they're actually
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: like when the camera you know, when when and then
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: on on stage, you know, and you'd see all the
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: the agents and the bullshit that goes on back behind
• 32:07
  Speaker 3: the scenes. You know. It's it's like, uh, it's like politics.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: You know, it can be a terrible industry. Really.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I actually had a Don Barriss on here for
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: episode one hundred and he and I, uh, you know,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: discussed that briefly, but about because he he was he
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: actually works at the comedy store. He actually closes there
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: every night and uh he see man, yeah he no, Yeah,
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: it's just all about you know, all the different comedians
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: that have come come back through and their uh you know,
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: over time. And on Mark Marin's podcast, he and and
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: and Mark just discussed working with Sam Kinnison, the legendary
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: comedian and they would say some of the stuff that
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: he would come out with and we and you know,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: just just some of the stuff where it was it
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: was so petty over absolutely nothing, and it's like, you know,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: you know it a joke too similar, you know, did
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: this guy get a bigger laughter?
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: Me?
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: I go on before him? Because I'm a bigger story
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: than this guy. And it's you know a lot of
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: the guys are just like, is it really like it?
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Does it all this really matter at the end?
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Well, well yeah that And that's why I reckon.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: But I think it would be difficult to make that
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: documentary because I think it would be hard to get
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: that on camera. I think they would make sure that,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: you know, they were playing up for that. That's why
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know that you'd be able to
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: do it for that exact reason. I think it would
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: be really hard to get them to actually, you know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: show that side of themselves and show the cattiness and
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: the kid coming. I mean, that's the phrase we use
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: in the Strada. But I mean, if you've seen the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: movie Mean Girls, I mean, that's what it's like, except
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: the fully grown men who should know better, you know
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: what I mean? So yeah, but it would it would
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: be an interesting doco if you could actually do it properly,
• 33:50
  Speaker 3: it could be a really interesting doco. Yeah.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: You know. I had a friend of mine who made
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: a documentary and he nobody was really like wanting to
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: speak their mind, so to speak, and he was really
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: pissed off. He was frustrated, and he's like, it's not
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: coming together. So what he did was, by chance, he
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: went to an after party one night and he was like,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: I'll just see what happens here. Well, some of the
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: people got a few beers in them, and suddenly they're
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: going up to him and they're just like, let me
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: tell you about this sort of a bitch about it,
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: and he's like, oh my guy, he goes, this is
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: what I wanted. Oh I needed was a couple of alcohol.
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: I should have thought about the first place.
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: Well, when I did, I will not go quietly. I
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: purposely was very vague with every boy, because, like I said,
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: I interviewed twenty four people, and I was purposely vague
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: on my emails as to what I was going to
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: ask them, because I mean a lot of people especially,
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: I mean there was a few people that wouldn't speak
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: to me because, for example, in the disability sector in Australia,
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: the employment disability sector. I mean, one thing I found
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: out was seventy percent of all blind of vision impaired
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: people in a Australia unemployed. They can't get work because
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: no one will give them a go. It's disgrace. And
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: so a lot of people in the disability work sector
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: just would not talk to me because they know they're
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: not doing their jobs properly and they can't put these
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: people into work, and you know, it's just a complete
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: shambles of an organization. So I was deliberately vague when
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: I would send out the emails. I was just you know,
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: i'd introduce myself, tell them who I was and what
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: I was, you know, I was making a documentary on
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: disability and mental health. But I wouldn't tell them any
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: more than that. You know, some people said, oh, I
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: want to see the questions in advance, in which case
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: I'd send them some very loose questions. But I always
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: was deliberately vague because if you give people a chance
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: to rehearse what they're going to say it's not true.
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: You know, they'll make it well, they won't lie per se,
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: But they'll put a positive spin to make the situational
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: themselves look as positive as possible. So I was Yeah,
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: like I say, I was deliberately vague with the people
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: I was interviewing them so I would get more honest
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: and some feedback for when I interviewed them.
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: And you know that that's actually ties into uh, well
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: with a question I really wanted to ask you, Guff,
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: and I'm glad you actually brought it up. Is when
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: you were making you know, not only this documentary but
• 36:13
  Speaker 4: everything else, you know, with you know, you being legally blind,
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: is is there ever a time when you're watching like
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: maybe the field monitor or playback when you're I mean,
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: I'm generally interested. I mean, is there ever a time
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: when you have where you actually you know, I can't
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: I don't you know what I'm sarting trying to say, Like,
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: can you ever like have do you have trouble sometimes
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: seeing playback or or sometimes you know what I mean
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: like or do you do you have like a DP
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: that you depend on for that?
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, well a little bit of all of that.
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: So so I can if I nose to monitor, I
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: can see what's going on pretty good. But when we're
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: shooting because our budgets aren't big. We just got to
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: shoot and we've got to move on. So I don't
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: have a chance to actually see the footage until we
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: begin it, and then I'll look through the footage then.
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: So for example, the very first scripted film I did,
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: which was The Heather Roses Interview, I hired a crew
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: and the guy who was on one of the cameras
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: decided that my direction wasn't up to his liking and
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: he was shooting all different things, and so I went
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: insane because that wasn't cool, man. I mean, that's not
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: the right thing to do at all. I mean, and
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: there's no way we could go back and reshoot it
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: because we didn't have the budget to do that. So
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: obviously he only lasted the one project and he was gone.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: So it comes down to having a team around me
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: that I can trust and that I know that if
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: I give them a direction, they can follow it. And
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: it's also about them understanding what I want to achieve.
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: So it's about me being able to communicate with my
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: you know, my director of photography. You know, this is
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: what I want and this is why I want it,
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: And then he'll be like Okay, I understand, I get it,
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: So you know, I can just then leave him alone
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: to do his job, because I'm a big believer in
• 38:02
  Speaker 3: that as well. Is you know, if you have a
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: great team of people around you, you don't have to
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: babysit them. You know, you can give them their direction
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: and they'll go and they'll do their job. And that
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: means that I can then spend more time with my
• 38:15
  Speaker 3: actors making sure that I get the performances that I want,
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, man, if a
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: performance from an actor isn't believable, then it doesn't matter
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: how good your sound is or you're lighting. Is there anything, Man?
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, people are going to tune out instantly if
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: the actor's crap, then I mean there's not much you
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: can do with that, you know what I'm saying. So
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: I make sure I spend a lot of time, you know,
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: really working the script with my actors to make sure
• 38:40
  Speaker 3: they understand precisely exactly what I want. And not being
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: able to see I think actually helps because I really
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: focus on tones and inflections and things like that, so
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: if they're getting a word wrong, I pick it up immediately,
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: so you know, because I've spent a lifetime having to
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: listen to people, so you know, I really really spend
• 38:59
  Speaker 3: a lot of time with my actors with rehearsing their
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: lines to make sure they get them absolutely spot on.
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: And you know, like I say, with the DP and
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: I just I give. I've got a really good relationship
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: with him now though he knows exactly how I like
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: to shoot my work and what I you know, my
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: sort of style, and so he sort of almost knows
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: before I do kind of thing, how I'm going to
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: say I want this shot. He sort of knows immediately
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: now because we've done well, we've done twelve films together now,
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: so yeah, he knows how I roll now. So it
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: works really well. But it's all about trust, you know.
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: You've got to have a crew that you can trust
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: and actors that you can trust as well, and the
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: thing goes as well. For when I'm directing my actors,
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: I can't see their facial expressions obviously, so I'll say
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: to Simon, you know, mate, how are they giving me
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: good face? And He'll say, yeah, they're giving you good face.
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: And so that's how I know that I'm getting the
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: facial expressions that I need and we can move on
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: to the next shot. So yeah, a lot of trust
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: goes into.
• 39:58
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• 40:05
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• 40:08
  Speaker 3: But you just can't have I mean it unprofessional anyway,
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: But you can't have people going rogue on you and
• 40:14
  Speaker 3: just doing their own thing because it just makes a
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: mess of the whole production.
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and you touched on something that I'm a big
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: advocate of, which is if you're going to hire somebody,
• 40:25
  Speaker 4: let them do that job.
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: I've been on sets before a goth where it's like
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: people want to directors or producers, they want to micromanage
• 40:34
  Speaker 4: everybody to the nth degree. And you sit there and
• 40:37
  Speaker 4: you go, well, didn't you hire this person? I mean,
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: if they don't know what to do, I mean, that's
• 40:42
  Speaker 4: on that's on you, you know, because you're you're you
• 40:44
  Speaker 4: know what I mean. If you hire the person and
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: they don't know what they're doing, that's your fault, you know,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: So just just let them do their thing.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: But even when it comes down to things like costume
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: and makeup. So I'm a boy, so you know I'm
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: not you know, I don't know a lot about this stuff.
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: So it down with the makeup artists, for example, and
• 41:02
  Speaker 3: she'll say, you know, how do you want this girl
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: to look? And so I'll give a basic description of
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: how I want it to look, and if she's got
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: any questions, she'll ask me. But basically it's okay, I
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: get it right. Well, off you go and make her
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: look like that. I mean, you know, I mean I
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you know, different shades of pretty
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: eyeshadow and whatnot. I've told you the general look of
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: the girl, the character. So make her look like that.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: That's your job. Off you go. So that that's kind
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: of how I work, and it's important to do that
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: because then, like I say, I can focus on the
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: things that I really need to focus on, and if
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: somebody does have an issue, they can come to me
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: and I've got time to help them solve whatever problem
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: that they might have. You know.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, very true. And you know that's why you
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: have to hire good people as best as you can,
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: you know, And that's what that goes back to networking.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: And you know, I always tell people, even if you
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: can't afford to pay people, you know, work on their
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: movie for free, and then have them work on your
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: movie for free. Just you know, a sort of a
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: tip for tat if you can't afford to pay people,
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: there's always a creative way to solve problems, and your
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: money is not always the answer. I mean sometimes it's
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: you know, people always say it's the it's the number
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: one answer, because you know, money's money. But if you
• 42:17
  Speaker 4: if you do sort to meet new people and say, hey, look,
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: I have a small thing to do, like a small
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: short film or a small web or a web series
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: or whatever, you know, just help each other out, you know,
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: on that project, rather than just try to you know,
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: constantly compensate people with cash.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, well, well that's true. I mean it's like
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I said earlier. You know, truck is so important when
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: you're when you're working with people. So if you if
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: you have a good relationship with your cat and your crew.
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's actors that I've worked with three or
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: four times in the film because I know that they'll
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: always do a good job for me. They are quality actors.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: So if I've got a film coming up and I've
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: got a particularly I don't necessarily right for actors, But
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: if I've got a film that's coming up and I think,
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: you know, so and so would be really good for
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: that role. I'll call him up straight away and say, hey, buddy, man,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: I've got a job for you. Do you want it?
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: And then you know, we go from there. So it's
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I'm a big believer in that in loyalty. You know,
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: if people it's silly to go out and hire somebody
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: new when you've got somebody who like I mean, Simon,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: he's been working with me now for the best part
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: of five years and I'm not going to fact the
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: guy anytime soon because he does a fantastic job for me.
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: So I mean it's important as well to make sure
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: that once you find good people, you do whatever you
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: can to get him to stick around, you know what
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: I mean.
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: Yes, absolutely, you got to keep that team going. And
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: that's why, you know, I always see directors working with
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: the same people over and over again. It's because they've
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: built that team and they sort of work well together.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: And as you made your film I Will Not Go Quietly,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: which by the way, is free on your website. I
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: think that's really really cool, by the way, and you know,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: you started to make some other films, you know, other projects,
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: other short films, so you know, do you you know
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: what was what was sort of that that a journey
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: you know obviously, you know, just making these other films,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: I mean, did you start to get more and more
• 44:07
  Speaker 4: of a budget or do you always try to keep
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: the same sort of style and same budget but moving forward?
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: Oh no, No, try and try and get as big
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: a budget as I possibly can, you know, so it
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: gives me a little bit more breathing space, so I
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: can maybe hire an extra crew member or if I
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: need a few other extras or whatever I could, I
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: can do that. So you know, I always try and
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: get as big a budgets as I can, But like
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: I say, it always depends on the sales of the
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: last film. So that's why obviously I encourage people to
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: hit up being Uto Productions dot com and they'll see
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: all the films and whatnot up there, and they can
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: download whatever they want to, and they're safe in the
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: knowledge that while they're getting entertained by that particular film,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: that that that purchase of download is going towards making
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: my next film to entertain them. So again, everybody wins,
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, I try and try and scrape
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: together as much in the way of funds as I
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: possibly can, so yeah, because it does help. Let's be honest.
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: I mean it really does help. You know, the more
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: money you have, the better you can do things, the
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: more relaxed things can be. So so yeah, no, I
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: do try and do try and raise as much as
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: I can. But like I say, it all depends on sale.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: So you know, just as we talked again about, you know,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: your project in sales. You're sorry your project and sales.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: You know what, what has been the most challenging aspect
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: of all this has it? Has it ever been? You know,
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: getting a location? Has something ever fallen through that was
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: a guarantee? You know what was one of the biggest
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: challenges that you that you faced, Garfin And how did
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: you overcome that?
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Well? The films are reasonably straightforward. I mean, like I say,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: I've got a good experience in this industry, so you know,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: and I'm not one to jump up and down and panic.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: So if something is for locate, like for a film
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: that we're doing currently at the moment, we've had a
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: bit of trouble finding a specific location, but that's okay. Well,
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: I'll just keep going until I find someone who wants
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: to play nice and let us film it. Their location.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: But so it's more about the marketing side of things.
• 46:07
  Speaker 3: That's what I've really found a struggle. Going back to
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: one of the things we discussed earlier in the chat
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: was marketing, and that's the number one thing that we
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: constantly are fighting. And that's why, like I said, I
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: had to employ somebody full time for that because it
• 46:22
  Speaker 3: was just trying to constantly market and then make the
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: films as well. Was just it was getting too much.
• 46:28
  Speaker 3: So and a plus, I needed somebody with more specific
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: skills because that's not my skill set, isn't marketing. That's
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: another important thing as well, when I think with filmmaking
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: is you've got to know what you're good at. So
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: I mean when it comes to the writing and directing
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: that I can do and producing, I can do all that,
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: but when it comes to I mean, I'm no good
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: with the artwork because I can't see. So I get
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: someone in to do that. And same with marketing. I
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: mean I tried the best I could, but in the end,
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: I just I knew I had to find somebody else,
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: someone with more experience and knowledge in that area. So
• 47:00
  Speaker 3: that's where Amy came in, and she's taken it through
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: the roof for me, which has been fantastic. But yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: as far as the films themselves go, well, I just
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: I just do what I do, man. I mean, like
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: I said, we do it all like a normal film
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: would get made. You know. I get the locations I need,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: I get the actors I need, If I need any
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: specific crew members, I just search around till I find
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: the right people and the and I just keep going.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: We just Yes, there hasn't been any any real big
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: challenges in that that regard. Like I say, it's all
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: about marketing. That that's the number one thing that has always,
• 47:34
  Speaker 3: ever since day one, has been the number one challenge
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: has been getting the work out there to the people.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: And so now that you that you have all this together,
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: you have that you have the website, and you have
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: all your all of your your projects all in one spot.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: You know, have have you noticed have you noticed a
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: sort of a steady increase of views as you sort
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: of get out there more and more if you were
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: discovering you and your story. Have you you're to stat
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: or is it something or are you trying to sort
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: of you know, are you still sort of looking for
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: that that silver bullet, if you know, what I mean.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Oh no, no, it is. It is steadily increasing. I
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: mean I'd always like it to increase more, obviously, but
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: you know, but it is. It is steadily, slowly but
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: surely growing, you know, which is fantastic. I mean, and
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: that's why I'm so grateful to people like yourself for
• 48:27
  Speaker 3: having me on the podcasts and letting me, you know,
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: talk about being nuts productions and what I do so
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: that people can have a chance to enjoy my work.
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: And so that's why I, like, I say, I'm very
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: grateful for your time and for the podcast. You know,
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: it helped out people like me tremendously to share their work.
• 48:44
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but it's steadily rising. But yeah, hopefully hopefully
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: it keeps growing and growing and growing, because that's like
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I said in the beginning, Man, I mean, there's seven
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: billion people on this earth, and I'm not going to
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: be happy until all seven billion have watched one of
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: my films. So that's the goal, you know, So it'll
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: it'll never be big enough.
• 49:04
  Speaker 4: And that's exactly, my friend, You've hit the nail on
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: the head. That's what I've I have that I always
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: say to myself too. I'm always like, there's seven billion
• 49:12
  Speaker 4: people on this planet, and by what two thousand and
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: thirty or twenty and fifty, there's going to be like
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: I think it's going to be up to like ten billion.
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: Because of the additions of all the dishes of China
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: and India. Their populations keep rapidly expanding, especially India and
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: you know Indi, you know, India is going to be
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: the most populated country in the world soon.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, it were well, I mean and are
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: they just their film industry, the Bollywood film industry, I mean,
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: that is that is mass I think I could be
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: way wrong, but I think I heard somewhere I was
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: watching a documentary on it, and I'm pretty sure they
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: said it's the second biggest grossing product for India is Bollywood.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: Their film industry earned the second you know, amount of
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: money for that particular country income comes from Bollywood.
• 50:01
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  Speaker 3: Which is just staggering, it's mind blowing. So you know,
• 50:15
  Speaker 3: the film industry in India is a huge, huge, huge thing.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I did hear that as well. And because
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: they they've they produced so many different movies. Uh, you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: a month. I mean, there's like.
• 50:30
  Speaker 3: They turned them out like but yeah.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah, seriously, there's always another hit Bollywood movie coming out.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: It's uh, you know. And then then some of them,
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: the rare, the rare top couple find their way over
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: here to the USA and they sort of they play
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: in certain areas, which which you know, which some of
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: them you know, are fantastic, and then other ones. I
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: you know, I try to watch films from all over
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: and I'm not a big musical guy, so sometimes when
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: they break out the song and dance, it's just not
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: my jam, you know.
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, No, they do have a very unique style. I mean,
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that dad or it's screwed or anything
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: like that. I'm just saying, you know, they've got their
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: own way in style of making film in Bollywood. You know,
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: it's very bright, it's very in your face, it's very yeah,
• 51:22
  Speaker 3: sol and dance and then a fight scene will break out.
• 51:25
  Speaker 3: It's it's a bit of a yeah, it's just all
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: sort of action going on twenty four to seven. It's
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: it's a very different style to to how how the
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: Western side of the world makes film, no doubt about that.
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and yeah, but there are some of the really
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: cool ones out there, and that's a whole nother story
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: for another time. You know, Goff, We've been talking for about,
• 51:48
  Speaker 4: you know, fifty minutes now, so just you're just in closing.
• 51:51
  Speaker 4: Is there anything you wanted to see to sort of
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: put a period at end of this whole conversation.
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: Well, well, just my latest film is Theenvironment The Real Truth,
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: which is a mockumentary about the environment. So I'm in
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: a bit of a mockumentary kind of a mood. I've
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: made one about drugs, and I've made one about the
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: porn industry, and now I did one about the environment.
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: The next one that I'm going to do is about
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: the fitness industry. So I'm in a bit of a
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: mockumentary kind of a feel. At the moment I sort
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: of get into a mood of a style of filmmaking
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: and then I sort of just ran that into the
• 52:23
  Speaker 3: grounds kind of thing. So yeah, the last film was
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: The Environment, The Real Truth. So where I interview you know,
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: fake scientists and conservation is like a thieve Irwin kind
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: of a conservation guy. And then I've got a park
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: ranger and like I say, a few different scientists as well,
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: so it was a lot of fun. So go through
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: about twenty five minutes and yeah, people can just download
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: that particular film and all the films, all the film,
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: audio products and books are all available at just Beernutsproductions
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: dot com. So people can drink a beer, eat the
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: nuts and enjoy my work. That's what it's all about.
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really cool name. By the way, I
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: was actually going to mention that beer Nuts. I was like,
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: you know, it's like, yeah, like beer nuts they serve
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: at a bar, you grab a so obviously, you know,
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: before I would be verbos if I didn't actually mention
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: this golf They don't really drink Fosters in Australia, right, No, no, no.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: We sell that to the idiots oversea. We've rent good
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: beer over here.
• 53:22
  Speaker 4: So what is your beer of choice?
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: Well, in Australia, the number one beer over here is
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: Carlton Draft. It's a yeah, that's our number one beer
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: over here. But we're big beer drinkers in Australia, man,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: I mean there are literally hundreds and hundreds of Actually,
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: it's kind of funny. The last film that we did,
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: The Environment, The Real Truth, we had to film a
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: scene in a brewery, and so there's quite a few
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: around the Gold Coast where I live, and so I
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: contacted one and they're like, yeah, man, come in film.
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: That's fine. I said, you're sure, I mean work play
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: telef and safety or you know, you're processing like food
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: kind of products. I mean, are we cool to And
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: he said yeah, just come into what you want to do.
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: They were the most easy going people I've ever worked
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: with ever. So we've rocked up to film the theme
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: that we need to do and I'm like, well, is
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: there any places you don't want us to go or
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: is there anything that we need to know or He's like, no, man,
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: just wherever you want to go. It's all sweet litll fine, okay, great,
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: And then he gave us a couple of beers before
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: we left. It was it was delicious. Yeah, I need
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: to everybody saying to me now, like all my crew
• 54:29
  Speaker 3: are saying to me, you have to write something else
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: about it being in a brewery so we can go back.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but it's nice when you have people like
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: that that you know, I just want a nice and
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: cooperative and easy going and just want to help out.
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but yeah, that was for the last film
• 54:44
  Speaker 3: we were in, the bolt Of Brewing Company helped us
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: out a lot with the location.
• 54:49
  Speaker 4: You know, I should mention them in the show notes.
• 54:52
  Speaker 4: That was actually really really cool of them. So if
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: you shoot me their name, GoF, I'll make sure to
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: mention them in the show notes.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: Well, actually, I don't know for your listeners who who
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: might be big fans of surfing, the sport of surfing.
• 55:07
  Speaker 3: Three Australian surfers, Mick Fanning, the guy that punched a
• 55:10
  Speaker 3: shark in the face a few years ago in South
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: Africa that made the news all over the world. But
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: Sir Nick Fanning who's a number one surfer, Joel Parkinson
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: and oh man, I've forgot the other guy. Those three
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: lads they just wanted with their spare cash. They were like, oh,
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: what shall we do, Well, open a brewery. But that's
• 55:27
  Speaker 3: what they did, and like a year later it's just
• 55:29
  Speaker 3: kicking goals and going from strength to strength. So it's
• 55:32
  Speaker 3: actually their brewery is where we filmed, and it's because
• 55:35
  Speaker 3: there's a big surfing culture here on the Gold Coast
• 55:38
  Speaker 3: where I live, because I we've sort of on the
• 55:39
  Speaker 3: Florida of Australia is where I live. So there's big
• 55:42
  Speaker 3: waves just outside my front door pretty much. So Mick
• 55:46
  Speaker 3: Fanning and Joel Parkinson and that they come from where
• 55:49
  Speaker 3: I'm at, so yeah, they decided to start a brewery
• 55:52
  Speaker 3: and good for me because we end up filming there.
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: So yeah, it's worked out well for everybody. So yeah,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: it's it's funny how things work out like that. But yeah,
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: really cool.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: You know, some a surfer punching a shark. That might
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: be the most Australian thing I've heard of ever. That's show.
• 56:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if people haven't seen it, I mean it was
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: on the news. It happened about a year ago. If
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: you just jump on YouTube and type Mick Fanning you know,
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: part of shark punch or something like that. It happened
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: in a competition in South Africa and Jbay and yeah
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: he was Julian Wilson was the other surfer in the water,
• 56:30
  Speaker 3: and yeah, it's the it's really remarkable footage and the
• 56:33
  Speaker 3: I mean it's funny now because everything was okay. But
• 56:36
  Speaker 3: the partner makes me laugh the most is the commentator
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: who's commentating the action. His reaction because he's like, holy shit,
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: like it was it was there. He's freaking out because
• 56:48
  Speaker 3: you know, the wade goes over just as this shark's
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: coming at Mick Fanning and they're like, has he gone under?
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: What's really? You know, it's actually but the commentator's reaction
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: is actually very very funny. So yeah, people could just
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: jump on YouTube and and watched that. It's it's a
• 57:01
  Speaker 3: funny clip.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I will make sure to look for that and
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: put that in the show notes. But but that definitely
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: I I now, every time I think of Australia, I'm
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: just gonna think of that. Even though it didn't happen
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: in Australia, happened in South Africa, but still it's a
• 57:13
  Speaker 4: it's an Australian thing to happen. I I remember there
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: was this this this video I saw one time. This uh,
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: this kangaroo actually had this guy's dog and it was
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: holding them and the and this guy wanted to save
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: his dogs. He leapt over this fence and he punched
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: the kangaroo straight in the face and the kangaroo, the
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: kangaroo fell back on its tail and then just stood
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: back upright and the guy just ran off because the kangaroo,
• 57:38
  Speaker 4: I mean, you've seen kangaroos, they can take a punch.
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: So it's like they're like the big foot tall. I mean,
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: you don't fuck with the kangaroo that they they're vicious animals.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: I mean people think there's like koala's. I mean koalas
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: are actually quite I mean their claws they climb trees
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: and so they're claus they can rip your throat out though,
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: I mean you don't. You don't fuck with the Australian
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: wildlot man, that's just that's just the no. He goes own.
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: So yeah, but I have a thing that clicked with
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: the kangaroo. It's very funny.
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen some of those kangaroos and their tail
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: they can move it so it's kind of like they
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: never actually fall down. They're always uh oh GoF. It
• 58:15
  Speaker 4: has been a hell of a time talking to you man,
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: and I'm glad we could actually connect again because you
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: have a unique story as is there you know again,
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: everyone has a journey in the filmmaking world, making content,
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: making media, whatever that might be, and it's cool. I'm
• 58:30
  Speaker 4: glad we could connect and everybody. Everything Goff and I
• 58:34
  Speaker 4: talked about will be in the show. Notes. Goff, I
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: want to wish you the best, buddy, and I will
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: talk to you very soon.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Thanks very much for having me on. I really appreciate
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: you Time Dive.
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: I want to thank Dave so much for doing such
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: a great job on this episode. If you want to
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: get links to anything we spoke about in this episode,
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: head over to the show notes at Bulletproof Screenwriting dot tv.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: For it Slash four fifty one. Thank you so much
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: for listening. Guys, As always, keep on writing no matter what.
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon.
• 59:00
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• 59:04
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