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Artemis II launches, gas prices soar, Iran war continues · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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With energy prices soaring, the economy is in flux for most Americans, and the crucial midterm elections are in November.
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What timeline does the president have to complete the mission in Iran and get back to focusing on domestic affairs?
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Lieutenant Joseph Pangero and author Michael McCarthy discussed the importance of finishing the job in Iran and what the future looks like in a post-NATO post-UN era.
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Well, this is the first trip to the moon in 53 years.
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Artemis II creates history with the historic trip beyond the far side of the moon.
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NASA engineer and former space station director Tom Moser, along with the director of the International Climate Science Coalition, Tom Harris, discuss the mission's importance and whether Mars is within the foreseeable future.
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It's all next on Viewpoint this Sunday.
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It is time to put away the bias, the lies and deceit and bring forth real talk from real people about real news, providing the out loud truth and capturing the essence of a new generation all in a fast-paced hour.
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This is viewpoint this Sunday.
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Welcome to the weekend news magazine.
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Viewpoint this Sunday.
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It is Malcolm Oud here, and we are off to the moon again, my fellow Americans, just in case you weren't paying attention.
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But you know, it comes kind of at an interesting time where sometimes you need these things that are going to pick the nation up a little bit in spirit and soul.
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And perhaps this was needed at this time.
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It's been a long time since we we we've done that and shot for the moon.
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Uh and hopefully beyond soon, but uh interesting.
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Uh bit later in the program, we'll have some NASA folks on and scientists and uh astronauts and talk a bit more about this.
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Uh I'm I'm fascinated with this always.
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I'm really I always love space travel.
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I don't think I could do it with my equilibrium with my stomach, but hell I'd love to if I could.
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Uh I got one of those as a kid, I always get motion sickness, probably like some of you out there.
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So I don't think I do well in the rocket, this might is my guess.
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I don't know for sure.
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Never did it yet.
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But uh, if they invite me, I'll I'll take a shot.
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Probably need to bring one of those barf bags with me, but that'll be all right here.
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Uh talking about Barfan, and uh that's not the guest I'm gonna tell you about in just a moment here, but that is what's going on in in Iran is the story of the moment, of course.
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With energy prices soaring, right?
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Uh the economy kind of hangs in the balance, I guess you might say right now, and the midterm elections are coming quick in November.
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I keep telling you.
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Uh, I guess the question we want to ask here is what timeline or grace period, if you will, do you think the president has to complete the mission in Iran and get back to focusing on domestic affairs?
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That's a big question, but it's a very, very important one.
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Let's take that on now.
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Uh, with uh Lieutenant Joseph Pangaro is here.
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He's a retired police lieutenant, uh security expert nationally, and uh is host of a fantastic program, the human equation.
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Uh I like the name of that, the human equation.
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And that kind of goes with the whole astronaut thing a little bit, doesn't it?
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Uh but that plays every Thursday and Friday on the network at 9 p.m.
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Eastern time.
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And I I think Joe always brings up uh questions that need answering.
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And uh that's kind of goes really well with that idea of the human equation.
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Uh, we sometimes need to step back and question ourselves, I think.
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Michael McCarthy is also here.
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Michael is an author, an analyst of a limited government, free market economics.
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Those are good things.
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And he wrote a very interesting uh trilogy uh of uh prophetic novels uh that are fascinating, and one in particular plays really well to what's happening here at the current moment with Iran and here.
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We'll tell you a little bit more about that as well here in just a moment.
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And uh, okay.
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So Trump gives uh, by the way, a 48-hour warning to Iran uh to open the Strait of Hormuz.
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Uh and this, by by the way, uh unless it's extended, and he does do that at times, expires uh on Monday, April 6th at uh 10.05 a.m.
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Eastern time, which by the way, happens to be 35 minutes after the U.S.
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stock market reopens after a long three-day weekend.
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What could go wrong there, right?
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That's gonna be interesting uh to see how that plays out.
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I'm not sure they're gonna get a pass this time.
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I think the the president is probably a little uh pissed off um with the that uh a couple of things going wrong out there, and you see the the plane being shot down and the one pilot they can't find and the other did, and so on and so forth.
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So that's a tricky situation.
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And uh he's probably not good on his good side uh by by any stretch here.
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Um Michael McCarthy, let's start with you here, please, uh, on this um what's happening right now in the balance of this.
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So let me ask you that question to start right there, Mike.
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So if you if you take a look right now with the economy where we're where we're dealing with with energy prices, which are significant significant for everybody in the country, more so if you live in California, you're gonna pay through the nose uh there.
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Um, but uh that's something they bought onto themselves, so uh that's the way it goes.
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Um, but what do you think, uh, Mike?
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Timeline or grace period, do you uh how how do you see the balance of that?
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Uh we're talking about the November elections coming.
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We're talking about what's happening there right now.
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He's been focused a lot on foreign affairs to get back to domestic affairs, which are gonna drive that uh midterm election here.
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Well, how do you see the timeline?
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Well, I think he needs to press ahead with uh uh his aggressive uh attack plan uh and not wait on them to negotiate, because I think whenever they negotiate, they're just buying time.
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There is a word uh in Arabic taqiyyah, which is a um element of uh Islamic doctrine, which says it's okay to lie to non-Muslims.
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And so these people that he whoever it is he's thinks he's negotiating with say, oh, yes, we'll open the streets.
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Oh, yes, we'll do this, oh yes, we'll do that.
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But in reality, they're just flat out lying and buying time for them to uh accumulate more and more missile capability to shoot down our our aircraft.
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So I think he needs to press forward as aggressively as he can.
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Yeah, and you know, when you talk about uh that it's permissible to lie, uh I think a lot of people don't understand that when these people are negotiating, it's also permissible for them to not uh follow any agreement they sign.
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Uh so this is a fact.
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Uh, this is all part of that uh that radical uh aspect of Islam and uh and so that allows them full grain to be able to lie cheat still and uh think they go to Allah still.
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Uh so a fascinating uh culture, that is, uh if you want to call it that.
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Uh so um so Mike, so what so you don't see the sensitivity so much, Mike, of the time?
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I mean, you're not saying a couple weeks, three weeks, a month.
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You think he just keep going to this thing until we've solved the puzzle?
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Because this could be a long road in Iran, by the way.
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You you think that's you you believe it's such a crisis uh uh uh the uh dilemma out there with Iran?
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You think he needs to finish that no matter how long it takes?
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Is that what you're saying?
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Yeah, I mean, short of boots on the ground.
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I I don't want to g get us into a quagmire like we did in uh Afghanistan to go on for 10 years.
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But whatever he can do, you know, they I read a great article on Substack uh about um the iron dome, the Israeli iron dome lulling them into a false sense of security and lulling us into a false sense of security, that it was taking down a number of the rockets launched toward Israel.
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Well, instead of invading and taking out the locations of these rocket launchers, they were just playing defense.
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Well, this article pointed out that that just allowed Iran to stockpile hundreds of thousands of missiles.
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And now when we hear Trump saying we've taken out 90% of their capability, well, they just shot down an airplane.
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Uh 90%, as I'm sure is uh is great, but that 10% still means that we have either, Mike.
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It's not I've I heard the boasting and the report you're talking about, but frankly, on the backside of those stories, by the way, there are confirmed reports.
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They have more than half of those missiles still left, by the way.
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So I think the president might have overshot the runway a little bit there.
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Um, but that's tends to be what happens uh when you're speaking like that.
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Uh so uh Joe, Lieutenant Joe, what do you what do you this timeline?
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Uh a lot of people would disagree with what Mike puts out there a little bit that uh finish the job.
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In fact, America is very divided on this point right now, and our network is divided even.
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You'll see we're probably probably about 50-50 on this network, I would imagine.
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Some that do not support this uh uh this uh uh war at all, and others who do support it, frankly.
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So it's a very divided within America First America community Republicans.
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Uh, but uh the sensitivity of the time lab of the midterms.
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I a lot of people would believe that window of opportunity is going to close real tight real quick here, or does he finish the job and go as long as it takes, Joe?
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I think it depends on the character of our president and what he's trying to do.
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He needs the wisdom of Solomon here.
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We have an enemy that has now demonstrated very clearly uh that they have missiles that can go much farther than they said, and I agree with Mike.
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You can't trust them as far as you can throw them.
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They will lie about everything.
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They do whatever they can to uh enhance their own position.
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Juxtapose that with the American people that how we started out understanding okay, this is something that has to be done.
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The Iranians, if they have a nuclear weapon, they will use it.
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It's very, very clear in their demented uh position and their thinking, they will use it.
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So we are in a very dangerous position.
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They negotiated and told our people that they were within you know two weeks of having 10 to 11 nuclear weapons.
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Now, if they were lying and bluffing, thinking they had another weak uh Republican president, uh they made a bad mistake.
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Uh, but President Trump has an option here.
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He's got to decide beyond his own legacy, beyond the midterms.
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Uh, he has to decide this isn't an opportunity, maybe a once in a lifetime opportunity to stop this regime that will not stop.
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They are on a uh uh a radical uh theoretic kind of a uh apocalyptic view of the future that they are in the middle of.
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Yeah, yeah.
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These are dangerous people who will do very bad things.
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So I think he has to make a choice.
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Do I look at you know, future power and maintaining power, or is this the moment that my presidency was meant for to remove this evil and danger from America and from the future?
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Yeah.
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And I think unfortunately, we have a left wing in this country that is uh they lost their mind over Trump.
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Uh they have Trump derangement syndrome.
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So anything he wants to do, they they're against.
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They don't seem to understand the danger of radical Islam.
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They don't seem to understand the danger of uh Iran and what that can mean for all of us.
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Uh and unfortunately, we have a history of getting our feet in and then getting squeamish and getting nervous and getting out.
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Now, it's easy for me to say I don't have to go fight there, my children don't have to fight there.
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But the reality is there comes a time that there are things worth fighting for.
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And I think that's the decision he's trying to make now.
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Me personally, I think once we've started this thing, we have got to maybe think outside the box.
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We have got to draw out the uh the RGCC or whatever the hell they're called.
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We have to find ways to end this without putting boots on the ground, or for all we're going to use is air power, then we have to be more strategic and maybe more punishing to uh to the regime so that they lose more and more assets.
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All right.
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Well, you're you're about to see that in the next uh I would say couple three days here.
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You're probably going to see that uh that more uh powerful hit you're just speaking about right now because of that deadline, and because the president, as I say, you can be sure is ripping pissed right now.
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And uh so you there's gonna be, I think, some pretty heavy military uh with uh infrastructure out there, which is going to decimate that country.
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And he made the phrase last uh a few days ago to send them back to the Stone Age.
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Man, that comment got a lot of play on uh network television and radio all over the country, all over the world.
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Uh people were gagging on the comment that he would make that comment uh that a president would say that in such a way.
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Did you have a problem with that, Joe?
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That comment, send it back to the Stone Age.
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No, I didn't.
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We're we're in a fight for our lives here.
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And I know I on my program and some articles I've written, I've had about 50-50 response the same as you're saying.
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Okay, okay.
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Well, I think they're saying they're not really a threat.
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And I think they are a threat.
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Well, the the threat, I think I think they all realize they're a threat, but they don't want to admit it in the public space show.
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You you know that, you know.
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So the the left and the others, they know that it's a threat.
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But part of the left does embrace some of this culture as well, uh, this radical crazy culture that it is.
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Uh so it's hard to say.
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But uh I think a lot of people that are listening and other side, I'd like to hear from some of you out there on this topic we're talking about right now.
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That there are there, we have intelligence experts and military experts on America out loud who would argue the point we're making right now.
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And although I I don't know when I don't we don't pre-screen screen these questions, so I don't I don't ask Joe and Mike and anybody else what they think before they come on here.
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This is very unusual here because we we we bring people's real opinions.
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Uh, we believe in the um the first amendment here, which is unusual for uh media.
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A lot of the stuff is showcased out there, and they they know what people are going to say before they say it.
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Uh, but but that other side isn't really represented on the panel we're talking about right now.
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And I'd love to hear from you all out there.
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Many of these uh intel and uh military people aren't speaking about, they believe there's a very sensitive timeline right now, and that if he does run the course, as Joe and Mike is your suggestion, that he risk losing the midterm election if he goes months and months into this thing, and I don't know that the president has the guts for that.
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I don't mean that in a bad way.
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I mean that in a way that I don't think he is willing to drag America with the boots on the ground and that long drawn out.
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I he listen, he fought against that for a long time.
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I don't see that happening here potentially.
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But if that window closes too tight, is it worth risking the election?
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If he gets upshot and they take the House or Senate back in November, you can rest assured he will be impeached.
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Uh, there's no question about it.
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These people are rabid uh and uh want him out of there in the in the worst way possible.
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So we'll see what happens here.
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Um fascinating.
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Uh it is that timeline is very, very sensitive, very, very tricky.
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When you look at this culture we're talking about, Mike, and we're talking about, I don't think a lot of I and I'm gonna say something to you here.
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I don't think a lot of people, and surely a lot of Americans, uh, I don't know what the percentage is, Mike, but there are many millions who do not see this as a m major threat to our country.
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They believe America is infallible here, and that it's not really going to be a threat to us here at home.
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We've been pretty spoiled here.
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We've been pretty spoiled that we don't have these uh excursions and these uh fights on our uh land here uh specifically.
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And so all these wars have always been in other areas.
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They're not typically fought to that level here in our existence really since uh the the very beginning.
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Uh so it's a different animal here.
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And um, so people do tend to get um uh you know just more comfortable with the situation here.
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You create you wrote this fantastic, and I want to get to the core of the problem and talk about what the Sharia law you one of your phrases, Mike, you use daily life under Sharia law in America, and you published a novel uh back in 2019, the Tim Shell option.
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Uh and you it to set it up summary-wise, because you foretold what daily life in America would be like under Sharia law in a future New England caliphate.
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The girls and women are second-class citizens.
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Here is the opening scene in the high school, and you get into that in this story, which I'll tell folks how to read it here in a moment here.
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Um so this uh this Sharia law, you're in the Tim Shell option, Mike.
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Let me uh they formed the New England caliphate and enforced Sharia law.
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Girls no longer allowed to attend school, females must wear all cover and burga and the the hijab, the earth for the face uh veil.
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Women must be chaperoned by male relatives when they appear in public, women not allowed to drive.
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Uh the New England Caliphate is an Islamic theocracy duplicating the way women are actually treated in the Middle East today.
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Uh this was quite something.
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You you did that, I think it was back in 2019.
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Um so the how does that relate to so when you look at the you know, Dearborn, New York City, um you see uh Los Angeles, you see, and uh really throughout Georgia, through a lot of states, it's actually more it's coming up, it's like a whack-a-mole game.
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We're seeing more of that in our country right now than we've ever seen before.
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But I don't think it's being promoted properly in the media.
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They don't I don't think people really understand this.
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How how dangerous is this?
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Well, it's very dangerous in the sense that uh these places like Minneapolis and Detroit that have been uh largely taken the governments, local governments have been taken over by Muslim uh immigrants enforcing Sharia law, it's the same thing as what we have in Iran.
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It is a theocracy where you don't have First Amendment rights.
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You don't have freedom of religion.
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You will do what you were told to do by the Muslim majority, and if you don't, you will be beaten or you will be killed.
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And um fighting jihad to attack you.
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And of course, we've seen all these incidents of uh random stabbings on the street.
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Um this is part of the religion.
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This is this is a uh good thing and to their way of thinking.
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And if we have to live under that, that means we are taking orders from the Imam or the uh the head guy, like the head guy in Iran, uh, do what I say or else you're dead.
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And of course, we saw where when they had the audacity to protest in the streets of Iran, there were over 30,000 of them reportedly killed three by theocracy.
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Yeah, hold on, the 30,000.
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Uh, we had an expert on from around a couple of weeks back on viewpoint here.
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And that number, he says in his communications on the ground there is north of 140,000.
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He reported on this broadcast.
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He and this is a guy who knows on the, I mean, he said more than 140,000 were shot in the head and murdered in the streets, uh, mass graves and so on and so forth.
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So I don't know, it's pretty it's pretty serious stuff there.
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When when you look at this though, Mike, and why why did you when you wrote this?
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I mean, uh sometimes these novels do foretell things when people, but why did you have a sense or did you?
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Was this just totally imaginary?
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I don't think it was, or maybe you tell me it was.
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But why did you think back in 2019 we'd have this problem?
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Well, because they were already having Sharia enforcement vehicles operating in New York, yeah.
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Where in Muslim neighborhoods, like if you were a non-Muslim walking down the street wearing uh a young woman wearing a mini skirt, for example, they would harass you and say, cover up, you got to follow our laws.
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You've got to follow our requirements.
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So that was already happening.
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And then, of course, the most horrifying incident of the way people would be treated, uh, was that 60 Minutes reporter Laura Logan when she was in Egypt, uh, where she was surrounded by men who are trying to do a mass rape, and they they have a uh um a thing called the the uh the rape game, and they promote this the Taharush Gamea, the rape game.
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Uh and if you go to the uh link I provided my article, the old CBS News article about Laura Logan and see the video of her being surrounded by these men, this is what they want to have in our nation.
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The conquerors always feel like they have the right to rape rape, rob and murder the conquered population.
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Well, in this case, we would be the conquered population.
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So it's a soft invasion where they're not coming in uh as an army on our shores, but they're coming in as these illegals and getting the right to vote and getting um all these as we've seen all these um uh abuses of our system where they're doing all these scams uh and getting government money.
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Um in effect, it's that tax they want to impose on non-Muslims called the Jijah uh arose by any other name.
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We're in effect paying jiya to these people in Minneapolis and Detroit and other places because we just hand over our tax money.
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So, Mike, some of the stories I've seen about some of these communities are pretty serious, and it's hard to imagine, but they are, as you suggest, uh, further down the road when it comes to this uh sharia concept here, not only in the way they treat and what have you, but the way they're praying out there and they they intimidate others uh with when they put the the logo up there and they they begin to do their thing.
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Um why does it the media report?
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I think if more Americans knew this was really happening in these communities, if in other words, if it was widely reported properly on that this was really happening, I think you I think even the feminists may jump in at that point and have a problem with it.
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Uh, why do you think there is no coverage, virtually no coverage on that in media for real?
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Well, because they've uh indoctrinated all of us and convinced themselves that uh to criticize any of this or even to report on it is quote, Islamophobia.
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Now, this is a a weapon that's been used.
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Any unfortunately, you and I would recognize it as the kind of name calling you do in the second grade, where you call somebody else a name, say, oh, well, you stink.
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Well, you're a doo-doo head or you're whatever.
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Just saying somebody is an a lot Islamophobic or racist or something else phobic, that they have no arguments, no data, no facts, but they just put that name calling, slap that label on you, and that's supposed to shut you up.
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Right.
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And and it's worked.
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Right.
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Oh, yeah, they've done that really well.
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The left has.
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Uh that's where all of those words come from.
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White supremacy, you're racist, fascist, Nazi, Nazi, you're a Hitler.
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Uh, that that's just is we've become uh immune to that.
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Uh for some people, it's actually a compliment these days, uh, Mike.
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Um but the name calling is is utterly ridiculous here.
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A lot of this point, including the story about the Laura Logan and the CBS report, and also they're in Mike's uh op-ed on the network here, as you as you hear this on Sunday, whether it's on talk radio or podcast, you get it on the front page of America Outloud.
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Once it's off the front page, and it's titled Have We Imported Islamic Conquerors to America.
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And it gets into some nuances here that are very, very interesting that uh Mike points out that you want to see here.
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Let's uh turn the page just a bit here now, gentlemen, and talk about uh, you know, you this uh Joe, this was extraordinary to me.
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Uh boy, uh when I seen this piece uh you had this article and the the show you did this week on it, it kind of stopped me in my tracks a little bit to look at, and I thought, well, incredible with the thoughts you put up there.
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You said the world after America walks away.
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What is the so think about this, everybody?
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The context of this, what what I posed to you here?
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The world after America walks away, the high-stakes future of a post-NATO, post-UN United Nations era.
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And really, you've heard Trump push back on this lately, uh, because a lot of this has been exposed now, and we've seen it coming for a long time.
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Uh the right conservatives in this country have been fighting against these global entities that are doing nothing uh pretty much for anybody.
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Um he's been calling NATO a paper tiger as well, Joe.
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Um give me the premise of what this is about, and uh do you foresee this happening?
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Well, Malcolm, thank you.
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Uh the article and the thoughts that come with it come from my observations uh based on my whole life at this point.
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You know, we learn by everything that happens to us every single day.
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And as I've been watching, you know, when I was younger, I heard about NATO, you know, this great alliance for freedom against uh against the evil powers of the world, et cetera.
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And it always felt like uh it was a it was a very positive thing for the Western countries in America to to withhold uh the bad countries, so to speak.
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So I uh a point I had posited a while ago is that it's very clear to me that the default position of humanity uh through all time has been to live under a dictatorship under a tyranny.
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That is that is the way our system has been built.
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Uh the strong man makes the rules and everyone else suffers the consequences.
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And you can look throughout history.
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It wasn't until America came along, and it really is a unique in all of humanity that this American experiment came here.
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But as we all know, we're only we're only celebrating 250 years.
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This can be yanked away at at any moment.
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What did Ronald Reagan say?
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We're one generation away from losing our freedoms.
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And I think this is crystal crystal clear uh at this point.
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So as I started to see, I I was having trouble with Europe and how how they've gone so far to the left, so socialist, so away from the understanding of what saved them after World War II and their gratitude towards America and their decision to be a part of a strong Western alliance, because sometimes it requires sacrifice, not just sacrifice by America in our blood and our treasure.
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And I was concerned that at some point we would need them and they would not step up.
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And unfortunately, we have just seen that.
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We have just seen them absolutely fold and fall away.
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If we can't count on them to clear a waterway so they can get oil to survive, how can we count on them to jump into a hot conflict when we need them to fight and die alongside of us?
27:29
We can't, and I think the alliance will remain as a paper tiger on on as a placeholder, but I think it is dead.
27:37
And then I started contemplating what happens once America is not willing to be the patsy for all of Europe.
27:44
Well, look at the history of Europe.
27:46
It will not be a long time before they will be at each other's throats again before the uh Sino-Russian pact decides to reconstitute the Soviet Union before they decide to, hey, Europe is a soft target, because we have seen the people there, unfortunately, back down at every potential conflict, and now they wouldn't help America.
28:08
And without America, as the leader of uh of uh NATO said, if Europe thinks it can protect itself without America, they're crazy.
28:17
And they are, and I can I can see the world going back to its normal default position before long.
28:24
Yeah, we're seeing it as well.
28:25
I mean, we've been the reason this makes sense, Joe, what you're saying is we've been reporting on this for some time now that this is really happening.
28:33
And Mike, um I'd like to get your thoughts on this because you know, we've seen to Joe's point the the shift in uh Europe happening for some time now.
28:43
And we're talking about uh socialists, uh Islamists, uh, the Islamists uh and socialists and uh this radical.
28:51
This has kind of been transitioning for quite a period of time, uh, and it's become very well known.
28:58
I mean, we got experts out in Europe who tell us all this all the time.
29:01
They live in those are you maybe see Kirstomer and what he preaches and what he looks like.
29:06
Uh, but you're seeing it all over Europe.
29:08
Macron is is a is a jackass in in France, uh, Germany, they're all off the charts.
29:13
Uh so with this attitude uh and what Joe proposes there, uh what about that in your world, uh, the world after America walks away.
29:23
You see, Trump will only put up with so much, Mike.
29:26
And of course, he won't be the president forever either here, though.
29:29
So whoever the next cat is will probably be dealing with some of this.
29:32
What do you think?
29:34
Well, I think you and Joe have uh putting your finger on the problem of of uh a world with when America walks away, uh, they won't be able to defend themselves.
29:45
And Europe, especially has allowed so much Islamic immigration in that they've got sizable uh Islamic populations.
29:55
Um they wouldn't and the and evidently allowing them to.
30:00
Vote that they're afraid to take action.
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They're afraid of alienating their Islamic voters.
30:05
England, from all I can say, they have been have Pakistani rape gangs raping white British girls, 12, 8, 10 years old.
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They've been doing it for 10 years now.
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And the police don't arrest them.
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And if you complain about it, the police arrest you for making a complaint.
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So there is no freedom of speech.
30:26
And so as Joe points out, not only can we not rely on them.
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Here's the nightmare scenario.
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We're fighting against Iran to make sure it doesn't acquire a nuclear weapon.
30:38
Great Britain is probably very close to becoming an Islamic republic.
30:44
You've got the mayor of London and the national government bows down to them every chance it gets.
30:51
The British government and the British military already possess nuclear weapons.
30:56
When those Islamists get in control, they are they may already have what they're wishing for in Iran.
31:04
Yeah, that is uh that is a viable point uh to think of.
31:07
That's eye-opening what you're suggesting there, but it is it is a real problem uh when you look at uh whether they have a nuclear weapon or chemical weapons or something else.
31:18
Uh it's going to become a more um, I mean, the chances of this becoming a more aggressive, dirty world ahead is is is very real in the fight of good and evil.
31:29
Uh and Joe, that's something that you focus on a fair amount in your writings and your show and program, but a lot of this comes down to the simple fight of good and evil.
31:36
But I think if you if we we if we woke up 20 years from now, Joe, or or or 50 years from now, we're looking at a different world, aren't we?
31:45
Yeah, there's no question about it, Malcolm.
31:47
I I think back, and you have you have me thinking now of you know, previous thoughts that I had.
31:52
I wrote an article one time, uh, a letter to my grandchildren to explain how we let the world fall apart that they had to live with.
31:59
And another one that I wrote and to Mike's point and what he's talking about, Sharia Law.
32:03
I wrote an article, and I I have a bigger, a bigger set of thoughts coming with this, is called the 10th Crusade.
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Because I I see clearly that history can tell us about the future.
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What's happened in the past is more likely to happen in the future.
32:18
America is just a blip on the screen, 250 years.
32:23
Uh, all of these kind of thoughts that I try and uh put together and express lead me to see that this is this is the 10th crusade we're seeing.
32:32
We're seeing it develop worldwide.
32:34
When we're seeing Europe, who the Europeans who are opening their borders and allowing this to happen to them, what is history told us about when this happens?
32:44
This does not stop.
32:45
This growth this continues to grow, and then we're we're gonna end up in a much more uh much different world, just like you said, 20 years from now.
32:55
Twenty years from now is an eternity when you're seeing what you're seeing with the growth of Islam and as it moves, it's been moving since the since the 600s.
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This is what it's done.
33:05
It bides its time.
33:06
It's it's like all other kinds of uh groups that have a long-term look at things for the change.
33:14
We in America, we look at next Thursday.
33:16
We're all worried about the midterms.
33:18
If the American people are going to be stupid enough to vote back in, democratic politicians who are going to destroy our country like the Biden administration, we we get what we deserve.
33:27
Uh, to say, well, you know, I don't like that Trump did.
33:30
Well, Trump's trying to save your life and your future, whether you like him or not.
33:35
To vote these people back in that are going to destroy our we're gonna end up having we're gonna fall into that path.
33:42
You can see that pain.
33:43
Right.
33:43
Well, Joe, a lot of people would even suggest that uh President Trump is uh prophetic, huh?
33:47
To see some of this coming and do something about it, huh?
33:50
Well, I I think he does, and that's what I'm saying.
33:52
He he's trying to make a decision.
33:54
His legacy that he gets in and gets out, or does he finish the job?
33:58
Because if he doesn't, these people will come back.
34:01
They uh once he's out of office, unless we get somebody strong like him, maybe JD Vance, maybe Rubio.
34:08
Unless we get somebody like that, we're we're gonna get somebody like the Bushes, or we're gonna get some uh crazy left-wing government, and they are gonna reopen the borders.
34:17
They are going to welcome all of this in and then we're in for the fight of our lives.
34:22
This is this is life changing.
34:25
We're in the middle of that time.
34:26
We are in the fight of our lives right now, in fact, I would suggest to you, but your point is well taken there.
34:32
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And listen, let's uh give a celebration salute to these uh fantastic astronauts here uh that are now on their way to the moon and uh be shot right around the moon to the far side of the moon.
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Remember all those crazy stories we used to hear about who would be on the far side of the moon that we never really seen before?
39:49
Well, they'll be seeing some areas that human eyes have never seen before, believe it or not, and they will actually go the furthest in space, uh, humankind, uh, which is remarkable uh that that is the case.
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So this 32-story space launch rocket blasted off of the Kennedy Space Center in Florida.
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And this get a load of this now.
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This is the first trip to the moon or anywhere consequential, I would imagine, beside the space, this uh the ISS, the uh spaceship uh center there, uh uh in 53 years.
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53 years.
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Wow, that is crazy, man.
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What have we been doing all this time?
40:28
I don't begin to know here.
40:30
Uh, let's bring on here a couple of great gentlemen here to talk about it here.
40:33
Uh joining us first on the broadcast here is uh is a former NASA mechanical engineer, Tom Moser is here.
40:40
He's uh uh he he now he's got an interesting background.
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He was a sub-system manager for the Apollo command module structure and launch escape system.
40:48
Uh he later became head of structural design and the structures and mechanics division for the space shuttle and the director of engineering.
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And Tom became also a deputy associate administrator for the Office of Space Flight, and then deputy associate administration associate administrator and program director for the space station.
41:08
That was the space station I was referring to a moment ago, Tom, is the ISS, I believe that's uh short for that.
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And another great gentleman who is like me, uh just rabid uh space fan, and that is Tom Harris, our very own Tom Harris is here.
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He he is uh one of the hardest working guys out there in the business for sure.
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He's executive director of the Ottawa uh Canada-based International Climate Science Coalition.
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He is host for many years of the other side of the story, a show we launched a long time back at the early part of America Out Loud, along with Dr.
41:40
Jay Lear, and uh who's now uh who's now past.
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J and Tom Harris who launched that show.
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Catch it on the weekend, 7 p.m.
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Saturday and Sunday uh Eastern time there on the network.
41:52
Uh welcome, gentlemen, to the broadcast.
41:54
And um are these uh astronauts now, uh Reed Wiseman, Victor Glover, uh Christina Koch, and Jeremy Hansen, uh the four here.
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And uh they are in the process now of the moon and will make a U-turn and then come straight back here.
42:09
Uh very, very interesting.
42:11
Um I guess let's start uh like I always like to start at 30,000 feet.
42:17
Uh and uh Tom Moser, I'll stop with you for a moment here.
42:20
It's a voice I haven't talked to before and looking forward to having you here.
42:23
Um what kind of a uh mechanically uh technically with the engineering and all, what kind of a um uh uh what's the right word?
42:33
I I'd say I don't want to say risk, but what kind of a uh uh flight is this uh as far as the seriousness of what they're trying to accomplish with that shot around the moon and then back, and I understand everything's got to be timed just right.
42:47
Uh, give us a sense of what what that's all about, please.
42:50
Okay, if I could let me go above 30,000 feet, let's go to a couple hundred thousand miles out.
42:56
I love it.
42:56
So, purpose of this mission, it it's a stepping stone, okay, to uh getting back to the moon and establishing a presence on the moon with humans for long duration involving the private sector and then hopefully on to Mars beyond that.
43:14
Uh but this particular mission is to check out the spacecraft.
43:18
Number one, we've got a new launch vehicle, got a new uh command module for the uh for the astronauts that does not have the lander on their board on board uh this flight, but to check those systems out, and it's just a step in that direction of putting humans back on the moon.
43:36
It's um it's simply that.
43:38
It's a slingshot around the moon.
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So it's uh, yeah, it goes out, you know, quarter of a million miles out and then back.
43:46
But uh the astronauts have a chance to uh check out all their systems on board and get familiar with it before the next one.
43:54
It's uh rendezvous in a in Artemis three in space with uh another spacecraft, it'd be the lunar lander.
44:03
So just consider this a step in the right direction.
44:06
Okay, Tom, what is uh serious when I ask you the risk factor?
44:10
When you look at a mission like this, is everything is just standard and routine?
44:13
Is it a big yawn?
44:14
Or is there what kind of risk is there always with a flight like this, please?
44:18
Well, what's what's the percentage of risk?
44:20
Is it low?
44:20
It's high.
44:21
I'm not gonna tell you a percentage.
44:23
I will tell you a percentage.
44:24
On Apollo, our percentage reliability was 59 Zen of 5.99995.
44:34
Okay.
44:35
So that was that's what the system was designed for.
44:39
Okay.
44:39
We obviously had a few problems in that, like an Apollo 13, a tank blew up about where these astronauts are right now on their way to the moon.
44:48
So it's always risk.
44:50
Um, you know, even on liftoff, you're you're sitting on on top of a bomb, okay.
44:56
And what you're trying to do is control the release of energy in that bomb to propel you to your destination in space.
45:05
There's a risk in so many things, but there's a lot of redundancy, and there's a lot of safety, and there's a lot of analysis that goes into making it as safe as reasonable, okay?
45:17
Is it totally safe?
45:18
No, okay.
45:20
The only way to do that is to stay home.
45:23
Yeah, but either as crossing the road totally safe as well, by the way.
45:26
A lot of things could go wrong there too, right?
45:29
You got it.
45:29
Your point is well taken here.
45:31
Uh, I love the way you preface that.
45:33
Uh, and um the way you talked about uh that was a good good capture of that information here.
45:39
Tom Harris.
45:40
Uh so listen to this.
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The New York Times says this in a couple of days, the four astronauts of Artemis II mission will fly by the far side of the moon, getting perspectives on the lunar surface that have never been observed by human eyes.
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And when the moon is between the spacecraft and Earth, the astronauts will be completely incommunicado uh for 30 to 50 minutes.
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No radio signals, no instructions for mission control, no transmissions of any kind.
46:07
Once the astronauts pass along the moon's visible edge, known as the lunar limb, they will be as far from Earth as humans have ever been, the least contactable people in the Solar system.
46:19
Pick it up from there now and tell us about what you see here with this mission with the astronauts here, Tom.
46:26
Yeah, for sure.
46:27
It's actually a test on this new spacecraft.
46:29
And it's very exciting.
46:31
They're not going to go into lunar orbit, as you say.
46:33
They're going to be 4,000 miles from the lunar far side in altitude.
46:38
But it's extremely important because it gets us used to the idea that we're actually leaving Earth orbit, as you point out for the first time in 53 years, 54 years, if you go back to December 1972, was Apollo 17.
46:52
And I had the privilege of actually meeting Harrison Schmidt, who was the only scientist to walk on the moon.
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So that was very exciting.
46:59
But you know, we have to realize that this is part of the human expansion into space.
47:03
As Elon Musk would say, it's the beginning of making us a multiplanet civilization, which is very important if we're going to survive for the long term, because you never know what can happen on Earth.
47:15
It can be various ecological disasters or there can be nuclear war or plague or who knows what.
47:22
We really should spread out if we want to survive.
47:25
Yeah.
47:25
And that is that has been Mus's Musk's uh mission uh that he says there.
47:30
And you speak about Elon Musk there, Tom Harris.
47:33
Um as of March 2025, uh, he gave an updated timeline for SpaceX's Mars missions.
47:40
And let me share that with everybody now, and I'd like you to comment on it and then Tom Mo.
47:45
Uh the first uh uh uncrewed uh starship mission, he's saying, targeted for the end of 2026, uh, when the next Earth-Mars orbital alignment occurs.
47:56
He's thinking the end of 2026.
47:59
Now, the first crewed mission is possible as early as 2029, he is suggesting.
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Although he indicates that 2031 is a probably a more realistic conservative estimate.
48:11
Uh so what do you what do you think about that?
48:13
Uh is Mars um in reach, do you think?
48:16
Is Elon Musk just uh have too much uh uh moon dust uh or is he well, it's interesting.
48:23
Chris Hadfield, who is commander of the space station, he's Canadian astronaut, and I've met him a number of times.
48:30
He says, yeah, we could be on Mars by 2030, but they'd probably all be dead.
48:35
And uh so sadly, physically, yeah.
48:37
I think we can get to Mars by 2030.
48:40
But whether we could survive the trip is another thing.
48:43
I mean, the the whole point of going to Mars is it's much, much further.
48:48
You know, the if you look at the actual trajectory, the very long sweeping seven-month trajectory, you're talking about a thousand times further than to the moon.
48:55
Going to the moon, yeah, it's an exciting adventure, and we're gonna set up a base there, and we're gonna learn to live in the south pole of the moon, which will be great.
49:03
Going to Mars, though, it's a little like saying, well, I paddled my canoe around Paris, around the Seine River.
49:09
So I can do that.
49:10
So tomorrow I'm gonna go to Australia.
49:14
Like it's five orders of magnitude difference in in difficulty.
49:18
So I don't really think that we have much chance of actually sending humans to Mars successfully anytime in the next 20 years.
49:26
I think it's gonna take quite a long time, maybe even late 2021 century.
49:31
Wow.
49:31
Wow, all right.
49:32
Uh Tom Moser, let's pick up on that, please.
49:34
What's your sense of Mars?
49:36
Uh, Musk would not agree with what Tom Harris just said.
49:39
He's uh he's far more aggressive in his uh thinking on this.
49:42
And uh, I don't know if he's real or if he's just uh Formenting here.
49:47
What what's your feelings about Mars?
49:48
Well, I'm not gonna shortcut uh Elon Musk there.
49:52
He's said too much success with his predictions.
49:55
Yeah, yeah.
49:56
Um I think to get there, yeah, we could get there.
49:59
I think.
50:00
Once you get to Mars though, you want to be able to stay there for a period.
50:05
And I think there's a lot of things to learn.
50:08
And the moon is a is a perfect place to do that, have that learning experience.
50:14
How to live and operate effectively for a long period of time with humans.
50:19
And so and the other thing about the moon, it's it's a launching platform, okay, to go to Mars.
50:28
The energy it takes to go from the moon and to Mars is not very much.
50:33
The big energy is getting away from the gravity of the Earth.
50:36
Okay.
50:37
So get to the moon, figure out how to do it.
50:39
And I had my mentor was a guy named Chris Kraft.
50:43
And I remember Chris Kraft saying decades ago, uh, he said, go to Mars when it's easy.
50:50
You know, get back to the moon, determine how to do all these things, learn a lot, develop the technology, and then when you're ready, then go to Mars.
51:00
Um I like that.
51:01
Uh again, I'm not I'm not going to shortcut uh Elon.
51:05
He's been too successful in his objectives and and uh and so therefore I'd go with him, but I would take a more conventional step.
51:15
Yeah, yeah.
51:16
Well, the advancements in the technology is going to be a big factor in all of this, and the knowledge that we gain in these yearly trips is going to be a big part of that as well.
51:23
But Tom Moser, let me stay with you and ask you this here, based on what we just portrayed with with this Mars and the moon base on the moon.
51:30
I want to talk about.
51:32
Uh and it makes I perfect uh sense to me, what you guys just explained, which I didn't think about in those terms.
51:38
Get the moon base set up first, which I've been following that.
51:42
But what let's talk to me about this.
51:44
Uh, there's going to be a competition now.
51:46
Now that this has happened, this this uh particular uh uh flight that's happening right now.
51:51
China, Russia, India are all paying attention to this.
51:53
It's probably going to light a fire under them right now.
51:56
Uh and not that it already hasn't, but there is a risk, uh a race here uh to get there.
52:02
So with the moon base, there's there's even talk I've read backstories, uh, Tom Moser about um uh backstories about uh the real estate, who would claim it first on the moon.
52:13
Uh very interesting conversations about where the where they really want to be uh to build that moon base.
52:20
So do you think um are we in a good position to be the first to do this?
52:25
Or uh what do you sense with China Russian India?
52:27
What's what's the backstory on that?
52:29
Anything?
52:29
China's technology has increased very, very rapidly.
52:33
I first time I was in China was in 1985, and I looked at some of the things that they were doing there, and they were I mean, they were decades behind us at that time.
52:44
But my estimate was they were probably catching us three years for every year, okay.
52:50
So they they're extremely technically capable.
52:54
Uh and as far as uh who can do what on the moon and what real estate, I think that'll have to be worked out.
53:01
Uh that's beyond my pay grade at that.
53:05
But I think the the major thing is once the United States gets back to the moon, NASA develops some of the techniques for getting there like they're doing right now.
53:14
Then let the private sector get there and get involved.
53:18
Let them uh mine the ice, let them turn the ice into oxygen and hydrogen.
53:23
Is that part of the future of space flight with the private sector?
53:26
Well, you that's a great point.
53:27
What you just brought up, Tom.
53:28
Absolutely 100%.
53:30
Yes.
53:31
Okay.
53:31
All right.
53:32
Uh all right, Tom Harris.
53:33
Let's talk about what Tom Moser just puts out there with the private sector because I I not only seen Elon, but but we also seen Jeff Bezos, uh, Amazon is going down the train.
53:42
There are many others as well that are thinking in these terms here.
53:46
That could really open it up as well in a very interesting way with space travel, Tom.
53:50
Yeah.
53:51
Yeah, exactly.
53:52
And I think the competition is really uh an important aspect of it.
53:55
It's a good thing.
53:56
The human landing system, HLS vehicles, the the things that are going to leave lunar orbit and actually land on the moon in uh, you know, the Artemis three.
54:07
There's two competitors right now.
54:09
SpaceX's starship HLS, HLS again, is human landing system, and Blue Origins Blue Moon, they call it.
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And they're both in development, and they're designed to transport astronauts from lunar orbit to the surface and then return them back to lunar orbit.
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So we don't know who's going to be the choice at this point.
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And I think this, you know, competition between private enterprise organizations is going to result in a better product.
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So, yes, I think definitely it's a good thing we're doing it that way.
54:36
Okay, uh, Tom Harris, the the um Artemis III.
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Uh that that is what when is that projected to go?
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Do you know?
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Yeah, let's see.
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Mid-2027.
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It's uh Artemis III is uh the second crewed Artemis mission, and they'll launch and conduct rendezvous and docking tests in low Earth orbit with one of these two human landing systems, which whichever one is chosen, chosen.
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So it's actually very familiar, uh very similar to the Apollo 9, because you remember we went around the moon with Apollo 8, and that was a big success reading from the Bible and Christmas Eve.
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And then Apollo 9 stayed in Earth orbit and tested out the lunar excursion module or lunar module, depending on how you call it.
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And that's similar to what's going to happen with Artemis 3 uh next year.
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Artemis 4 now is planned to be the first landing, uh, and that one will be early 2028.
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Okay, that's what I wanted to ask you.
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You you answered it before I even got it out.
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Perfect, Tom.
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Perfect.
55:33
Uh so that's kind of the trajectory then of Artemis III, Artemis IV, and then uh within the next two years, we should have some boots back on the ground there, it sounds like and a flag up there, huh?
55:44
That's the uh that's the objective.
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And hopefully everything.
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I think the this and Tom may know more about the the this than I do, but I think the main sort of stumbling block is when will the human landing system be ready.
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You know, that is still under development.
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They haven't actually even chosen which one it's gonna be.
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So things are happening very quickly.
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Right, right, right.
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Tom Moser, you know any more to that, or is that uh no?
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I think that I think Tom, the other Tom described it very well, and development is always uh a risky thing, but uh it can be, you know, the way we've accomplished things in the past, we set our mind out to do something, we find problems, but with the belief that every problem's got a solution, and that's what'll happen on on these uh on these landing systems, and some of the other things is part of the scenario of uh getting back to the moon.
56:34
There'll there'll be issues and there'll be hiccups, and and so that's it.
56:38
You know, I'll say one thing about this mission uh that's in underway right now, is on a major program like this, okay, like space shuttle, like space station, all those programs, like in Apollo.
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It takes something significant for the public to get behind it.
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It took Apollo 8 to really focus on the importance of and the capabilities of Apollo in the space shuttle.
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It was the approach and landing tests, the orbiter off the back of the 747.
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The program was kind of you know, ho hum kind of thing to the public until those two major events happen in those programs.
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So this is another major event for Artemis, and I think it will help ignite the the public and in the Congress and uh in the government.
57:33
I think overall said earlier on the program that we needed that lift right now, uh Tom.
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You know, we needed that the country did, I think.
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It was a good place, good time to to uh distract from some of the other negative news going on that we were again headed uh for space exploration.
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Spent a lot of years because of the politics that we haven't done that.
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What a thrill to talk to you both.
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Just an absolute pleasure.
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I love this is a topic I love to talk about.
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I'm very, very inquisitive on all of it, and I just love it.
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Uh big thank you here to Tom Moser and Tom Harris here uh on this topic.
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Let's do it again, guys.
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This is really really great.
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Uh and we'll be following all of this here just ahead.
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I'm excited, friends, to see us do this again.
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Uh, thank you for joining us on the mission on Viewpoint this Sunday.
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