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- 0:00Speaker 1: Bombshell tonight so called Overboord missing mom Lynette Hooker in
- 0:05Speaker 1: the last hours we learn about a loud and ominous
- 0:09Speaker 1: splash and mysterious lights all from the vicinity of Lynette's
- 0:17Speaker 1: husband's yacht. He wasn't even supposed to be on the
- 0:21Speaker 1: yacht at that time. He was supposed to be, according
- 0:23Speaker 1: to him, out calling and calling into the dark night
- 0:27Speaker 1: air for his wife who bounced off the dinghy. Good evening,
- 0:31Speaker 1: I Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. I want to
- 0:34Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. The search has now
- 0:44Speaker 1: moved to the land.
- 0:46Speaker 2: There are torpedoes coming to his story over and over again.
- 0:50Speaker 1: Obviously, authorities do not believe Lynette is in the water.
- 0:54Speaker 1: Was she ever?
- 0:55Speaker 3: If her body's in water.
- 0:56Speaker 4: It could it could be anywhere in the Atlantic Ocean
- 0:58Speaker 4: by now.
- 1:00Speaker 1: Why were lights seen moving about on the husband's yacht
- 1:04Speaker 1: when he says he's out in the water calling for
- 1:08Speaker 1: his wife who bounced off their dinghy in according to him,
- 1:13Speaker 1: massive swells that suddenly came up off the edge of
- 1:18Speaker 1: the land, basically on a sandbar where you could stand up.
- 1:23Speaker 1: How did this happen? Why has her body never been found?
- 1:27Speaker 1: Lights and a very loud and ominous splash was heard.
- 1:32Speaker 1: A lot going on in the case and more joining
- 1:34Speaker 1: us tonight, a very dear friend of Lynette Hooker. But
- 1:38Speaker 1: first to Vanessa Waltz joining us. She's a star of
- 1:41Speaker 1: Unmasked True Crime. Vanessa, what do you make of the latest?
- 1:47Speaker 5: What?
- 1:47Speaker 1: Let let's start with the splash. What splash was heard?
- 1:53Speaker 1: By whom?
- 1:54Speaker 5: When?
- 1:55Speaker 1: And where?
- 1:57Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, that's a really interesting development meant because you know,
- 2:03Speaker 6: there's potential reports now of splashing in the water and
- 2:06Speaker 6: even lights that were flashing near the anchorage that night,
- 2:09Speaker 6: which does raise the possibility that someone nearby may have
- 2:12Speaker 6: unknowingly witnessed at least part of what happened in a
- 2:17Speaker 6: quiet anchorage that night. Unusual sounds or sun lights can
- 2:21Speaker 6: stand out dramatically, and that's why investigators appear to be
- 2:25Speaker 6: so interested in identifying the nearby voters.
- 2:29Speaker 1: You know. Josh Colesrude joining us. He's a veteran criminal
- 2:33Speaker 1: defense attorney and a former felony prosecutor with the US
- 2:37Speaker 1: Attorney's Office. He's the founder of the Coles Rood Law Offices.
- 2:41Speaker 1: We call them ear witnesses, and ear witnesses can be
- 2:46Speaker 1: invaluable at trial. What do you say to this, Do
- 2:50Speaker 1: we have an ear witness to Lynette Hooker going in
- 2:53Speaker 1: the water, and does it contradict the husband's entire story?
- 2:59Speaker 7: Well, the way that it's being described right now, I mean,
- 3:03Speaker 7: we don't even know who heard the splash, and you know,
- 3:08Speaker 7: when a boat is out on the water, you know
- 3:10Speaker 7: you're going to hear splashing and sounds, and you know,
- 3:15Speaker 7: without more evidence to corroborate and kind of describe exactly
- 3:22Speaker 7: what what was heard, you know, I don't see it
- 3:25Speaker 7: really having very much probative value. Now. You know what
- 3:29Speaker 7: everybody's doing right now is you know they're they're kind
- 3:32Speaker 7: of looking back and looking at all the suspicious activity.
- 3:37Speaker 7: Right You saw the the comments from the daughter. You
- 3:41Speaker 7: know that he looks guilty. The daughter suspects him. The
- 3:43Speaker 7: marriage have problems, you know. Now there's a splash outside
- 3:47Speaker 7: the boat. But you know what we don't have, like,
- 3:49Speaker 7: we don't have a body, we don't have a cause
- 3:51Speaker 7: of death. There's no crime scene, there's no forensic evidence,
- 3:55Speaker 7: there's no eyewitnesses, and there's no independent evidence that Lynette
- 3:59Speaker 7: Hooker died by criminal conduct. And what we do know
- 4:03Speaker 7: is that Brian said that he was out on an
- 4:06Speaker 7: eight foot dingy and did he described fifteen to twenty
- 4:10Speaker 7: two knot range of wins? And you know, I looked
- 4:13Speaker 7: up at the NOAA Weather data, that is the national
- 4:17Speaker 7: organization that keeps track of the waves and the winds
- 4:22Speaker 7: on the ocean, and it corroborates Brian's story about when
- 4:27Speaker 7: the waves came in. And when you're looking at you
- 4:31Speaker 7: know who's telling the truth, you have to look at
- 4:33Speaker 7: corroborating as stop.
- 4:35Speaker 1: Stop, please, good gravy man. I know what you're doing.
- 4:41Speaker 1: I ask you a question about a loud splash that
- 4:44Speaker 1: occurs not near the dinghy where it's supposed to be
- 4:48Speaker 1: away near the restaurant, but outside the soulmate the yacht
- 4:54Speaker 1: around nine thirty pm, and you are.
- 4:59Speaker 3: Throwing this stew, this stinky stew of other facts to
- 5:05Speaker 3: get me off my question. In court, I would say objection,
- 5:09Speaker 3: not responsive. I asked the court to direct the witness
- 5:13Speaker 3: to answer my question.
- 5:14Speaker 1: But I don't have a judge to force you to answer.
- 5:16Speaker 1: So I'm going to go to Dave Mack joining US
- 5:18Speaker 1: Crime Stories investigative reporter. What can you tell me? And
- 5:22Speaker 1: I've got to get to the lights. I've got to
- 5:25Speaker 1: get to the lights that we're seen on his the
- 5:29Speaker 1: husband's yacht, the Soulmate. At the same time, he says
- 5:33Speaker 1: he's out in the water looking for his wife on
- 5:37Speaker 1: the dinghy. Okay, I've got to get to that. But
- 5:40Speaker 1: first the splash, Dave mac what can you tell me
- 5:44Speaker 1: about the splash? And then maybe maybe we can get
- 5:47Speaker 1: Josh Colesrude to narrow his line of monologue and give
- 5:53Speaker 1: us a good answer. Hit it, Dave Mack.
- 5:58Speaker 8: As you start with, we've got Brian Hooker who is
- 6:01Speaker 8: supposedly on the dingy the entire time, from the moment
- 6:06Speaker 8: they leave the abbaco in and head back towards the yacht,
- 6:10Speaker 8: towards the soul Mate. They never make it. According to
- 6:13Speaker 8: Brian Hooker, they never make it back to the sew
- 6:17Speaker 8: boat the Soulmate. They're on the dinghy. But we're hearing
- 6:21Speaker 8: reports of a major splash, what is called a massive
- 6:26Speaker 8: splash and nine thirty PM. To hear a splash that
- 6:31Speaker 8: loud on the water, Nancy, it's got to be a
- 6:35Speaker 8: big splash. I mean, it's not just dropping a cup
- 6:38Speaker 8: of water over the side.
- 6:39Speaker 9: Here.
- 6:39Speaker 8: We're talking about something loud enough to be heard above
- 6:43Speaker 8: the normal sounds of the water. But again, remember this
- 6:46Speaker 8: is coming from the soul mate where nobody is on
- 6:50Speaker 8: the boat, and that encompasses the light you mentioned a
- 6:55Speaker 8: minute ago.
- 6:56Speaker 1: Okay, before I go to Blaine Stevenson, this is Brian Hooker,
- 7:01Speaker 1: the husband's friend. He's also a boating expert. His wife
- 7:05Speaker 1: very close to Lynette Hooker. I want to dispel something.
- 7:12Speaker 1: I think I can dispel it that Josh Colsrud said
- 7:17Speaker 1: that when you're out on a boat you hear splashes.
- 7:20Speaker 1: Well that's not entirely true. Let me see Colsrud really quickly.
- 7:25Speaker 1: Coles rude, I've had the joy and the pleasure. Did
- 7:29Speaker 1: you just take your glasses off?
- 7:31Speaker 7: Yes, ma'am.
- 7:32Speaker 1: I looked away from one moment. I see you yanking
- 7:33Speaker 1: off your glasses. Josh, you look just as good with
- 7:36Speaker 1: glasses on. Just know that feel confident about it. That said, Josh,
- 7:41Speaker 1: I just had the pleasure of sitting out on the
- 7:45Speaker 1: water for hours and hours on end, many many weekends
- 7:51Speaker 1: in a row, while my son competed in bass fishing championships. Yes,
- 7:58Speaker 1: it's school has a fish team. Who knew that said, No,
- 8:03Speaker 1: you don't just hear loud splashes. We sat there in silence.
- 8:09Speaker 1: I was not on his boat. Nobody needs their mother
- 8:12Speaker 1: looming over their shoulder when they're trying to compete. But
- 8:14Speaker 1: I was out there on the water and everything was
- 8:17Speaker 1: dead silent. So hearing a loud splash in the middle
- 8:21Speaker 1: of the night, I mean, these witnesses thought it to
- 8:24Speaker 1: be uncharacteristic. So I'd like to hear your response to that.
- 8:28Speaker 1: Before he moved on to the lights that were spotted
- 8:31Speaker 1: on his yacht, not the dinghy where he said he
- 8:34Speaker 1: was at that time. In fact, he said I'm going
- 8:36Speaker 1: to go back to Vanessa in just a moment. That
- 8:38Speaker 1: it took him hours and hours I guess to what
- 8:41Speaker 1: paddle with his hands and two teacups to get to
- 8:44Speaker 1: the end of the island where he washed up. That's
- 8:47Speaker 1: where he says he was not on his yacht the
- 8:50Speaker 1: soulmate blinking lights. But first address the loud splash, please.
- 8:56Speaker 7: So, Nancy, that witness's account actually shows exactactly why this
- 9:01Speaker 7: case is still uncertain and why it's not solved, because
- 9:04Speaker 7: hearing a splash and seeing lights on the water at
- 9:07Speaker 7: nine p thirty at night in rough conditions does not
- 9:10Speaker 7: tell us what caused the splash or who was in
- 9:13Speaker 7: the water, whether it was accidental or whether any crime occurred.
- 9:18Speaker 7: And remember the timeline itself already involves a dinghy in
- 9:21Speaker 7: trouble after the dark and bad weather. So a witness
- 9:24Speaker 7: hearing a splash and that environment is completely consistent with
- 9:28Speaker 7: Brian Hooker's account that something went wrong on the water.
- 9:31Speaker 7: You know, and again remember you know, everybody is assuming
- 9:35Speaker 7: his guilt. So when they hear a splash, it must
- 9:37Speaker 7: be murder. They see lights, well, it must be staging,
- 9:40Speaker 7: you know, behavior. You know, his behavior must be guilt.
- 9:43Speaker 7: But there's another explanation staring at everybody in the face,
- 9:46Speaker 7: and that is his story is consistent with the NOAA
- 9:50Speaker 7: and their description of the water conditions. That wasn't an
- 9:55Speaker 7: environment that he was controlling. That's chaos. That's chaos. And
- 9:59Speaker 7: you know, I've handl cases like this in island jurisdictions
- 10:02Speaker 7: like Palau, and in rough water at night, people get
- 10:05Speaker 7: disoriented fast, you know, distances become impossible to judge. Lights, moves,
- 10:10Speaker 7: sounds carry strangely over the water. A single gust of
- 10:14Speaker 7: wind or a wave can separate people within seconds. So
- 10:17Speaker 7: the witnesses account may help establish that there was activity
- 10:21Speaker 7: on the water that night, but it does not establish homicide.
- 10:25Speaker 7: And that's the key point. Nobody has bridged the gap
- 10:28Speaker 7: between something bad happened and Brian Hooker committed murder because
- 10:32Speaker 7: we still have no body, no cause of death, no
- 10:35Speaker 7: forensic evidence, no confession, and no proof of criminal conduct.
- 10:39Speaker 7: And until somebody produces that proof, that evidence, like this
- 10:42Speaker 7: is a tragic case, and you know it is. The
- 10:45Speaker 7: homicide has not been proven or shown in any way whatsoever.
- 10:49Speaker 1: Joining me, Brian Fitzgibbons. He's Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security.
- 10:53Speaker 1: He leads a team of investigators around the world finding
- 10:57Speaker 1: and extracting missing people. He is a former marine and
- 11:02Speaker 1: an Iraqi war vet. Brian Fitzgibbons, you and I have
- 11:06Speaker 1: had many conversations with particularly in particular a death investigator
- 11:12Speaker 1: and two medical examiners regarding Lynette Hooker. And isn't it
- 11:16Speaker 1: true that we all concur had she gone underwater, unless
- 11:22Speaker 1: she was weighted down, her body would have emerged by now, because,
- 11:28Speaker 1: as you and I know from homicide investigations, the body
- 11:32Speaker 1: when it decomposes, fills up with gas. For instance, when
- 11:38Speaker 1: you have something in a plastic bag and it goes bad,
- 11:42Speaker 1: you forget about it in the fridge and the bag
- 11:44Speaker 1: starts swelling up. That's the same thing with human body.
- 11:48Speaker 1: Gases are created upon decomposure and the enclosure the sandwich
- 11:53Speaker 1: bag or the body begins to swell and if underwater,
- 11:57Speaker 1: that body will come to the surface. That's why we
- 12:00Speaker 1: don't have Lynett's body. If it had been in the water,
- 12:04Speaker 1: it would have come to surface. By now, agree or
- 12:07Speaker 1: disagreef Its Gibbons.
- 12:09Speaker 10: I agree, and that seems to be the consensus of
- 12:12Speaker 10: search and rescue experts from the area who has spoken
- 12:16Speaker 10: out publicly that they don't believe Lynette's body is in
- 12:20Speaker 10: the Sea of Abaco.
- 12:21Speaker 2: And I'm going to add one thing to jump on
- 12:24Speaker 2: what Attorney Coolser just said. I think that that probative
- 12:28Speaker 2: evidence is coming with the seizure of the vessel and
- 12:31Speaker 2: the data that's going to be generated from the systems
- 12:36Speaker 2: on that boat, that these eyewitness statements are now going
- 12:40Speaker 2: to mean something when it lines up to events that
- 12:43Speaker 2: took place on the Soulmate that directly contradict the story
- 12:48Speaker 2: that was given to police. I think that probative evidence
- 12:51Speaker 2: is walking us down right now.
- 12:54Speaker 1: I want to get to the lights that appeared on
- 12:59Speaker 1: the husband's yach the soulmate at the time he's supposed
- 13:02Speaker 1: to be out looking for his wife, Vanessa Walch Vanessa,
- 13:06Speaker 1: I want you to hear what Blaine Stevenson has to say.
- 13:09Speaker 1: But first before we go to mister Stevenson, who's so
- 13:12Speaker 1: kindly joining us tonight, I want to get it a
- 13:16Speaker 1: little refresher. As we say in court, let's refresh the
- 13:20Speaker 1: witness's recollection translation. The witness just screwed up on the stand,
- 13:25Speaker 1: and let me just jug their memory really quickly. Vanessa,
- 13:29Speaker 1: where does Brian Hooker say he was the entire night
- 13:34Speaker 1: after his wife bounced off the dinghy.
- 13:39Speaker 6: Brian has said, as we've heard many times in those
- 13:41Speaker 6: recorded statements, he was very adamant that he was on
- 13:44Speaker 6: the dinghy with his one or titling for eight hours
- 13:49Speaker 6: to marsh Harbor. He has never put himself on that boat,
- 13:53Speaker 6: so anything leading to that would be in direct conflict
- 13:58Speaker 6: with his own workds of what happened that night.
- 14:01Speaker 1: What was his explanation of what he did after his
- 14:05Speaker 1: wife bounced off the dinghy? What did he do?
- 14:10Speaker 6: According to Brian, he yelled for her for about an hour,
- 14:13Speaker 6: but she never responded. He threw the one flotation device
- 14:17Speaker 6: out to her that he wasn't sure if he got,
- 14:19Speaker 6: and then he just kind of hoped she swam towards
- 14:22Speaker 6: the boat, and then used his one order to go
- 14:25Speaker 6: paddle for help instead of getting out of the boat
- 14:27Speaker 6: in the four to eleven foot water and going to
- 14:30Speaker 6: try to save Lynnette.
- 14:31Speaker 11: We we bost Lynette over the side.
- 14:34Speaker 10: I paddled op he to marsh Island and I landed
- 14:37Speaker 10: a not so crazy shore there and we could get
- 14:40Speaker 10: yesterday eight.
- 14:43Speaker 12: Too.
- 14:44Speaker 1: So there you go. That's from our friend Harvey Levin
- 14:47Speaker 1: at TMZ, and we've got so much sound. Brian Hooker
- 14:54Speaker 1: locking himself into that story. He basically, you know, got
- 14:58Speaker 1: a teacup according to him, and paddled over and it
- 15:03Speaker 1: took him hours and hours and hours, and he washed
- 15:09Speaker 1: up far far away from the soulmate. Then how in
- 15:11Speaker 1: the hay are their mysterious lights and loud splashes outside
- 15:17Speaker 1: his yacht? Okay, before I again, before I get to
- 15:22Speaker 1: the lights that witnesses saw on his yacht when he's
- 15:26Speaker 1: supposed to be at the other end of the island
- 15:29Speaker 1: washing up to blame Stevenson. This is Brian Hooker's friend.
- 15:35Speaker 1: He is a boting expert and his wife is very
- 15:38Speaker 1: very close with Lynette. Mister Stevenson, thank you for being
- 15:42Speaker 1: with us. What do you make of this?
- 15:45Speaker 11: What I make from all of reports that have come
- 15:48Speaker 11: out is that there are people in the area. There
- 15:50Speaker 11: were people overlooking the area. I've gotten calls from people
- 15:55Speaker 11: who talk about different weather conditions in support and against
- 16:01Speaker 11: his claim. But what we do know is there were
- 16:04Speaker 11: people in the area. I do know that a human
- 16:07Speaker 11: yelling is louder than any splash I've ever heard. So
- 16:12Speaker 11: my problem is an hour of him yelling for his
- 16:14Speaker 11: wife isn't heard, but a splash is in the same
- 16:19Speaker 11: general vicinity. My problem is that he floated over to
- 16:25Speaker 11: marsh Harbor in the same weather conditions, within three hours
- 16:31Speaker 11: of the same amount of time of that floatation device,
- 16:34Speaker 11: which doesn't have the same windage as his boat, ending
- 16:37Speaker 11: up within three hundred feet of where he was, but
- 16:40Speaker 11: nothing from Lynette ends up in the same spot. It's
- 16:43Speaker 11: not the it's not the evidence that Brian did anything wrong.
- 16:49Speaker 11: It's the sense of evidence to support his story that's
- 16:53Speaker 11: puzzling me.
- 16:58Speaker 1: For those of you just joining us, Lynette hook her
- 17:01Speaker 1: sold everything she had used all of her savings for
- 17:06Speaker 1: herself and her husband, Brian Hooker, to go around the
- 17:11Speaker 1: world sailing on a yacht, the Soulmate, and then there
- 17:18Speaker 1: out in the water. She not far from in the
- 17:22Speaker 1: water at all, you could stand up on a sandbar,
- 17:24Speaker 1: he says. They leave a restaurant and yes they're confirmed
- 17:29Speaker 1: to have been there. That they get onto the dinghy
- 17:32Speaker 1: to go back to the yacht, and somehow between the
- 17:35Speaker 1: restaurant and the yacht a swell comes up. She not him,
- 17:40Speaker 1: she falls, bounces off the dinghy. He tries to save
- 17:47Speaker 1: her by throwing her a cushion that you sit on,
- 17:50Speaker 1: although there were life preservers in the dinghy, but she
- 17:55Speaker 1: apparently didn't get it and she's never been seen again.
- 17:59Speaker 1: Here's his story.
- 18:01Speaker 12: She basically just bounced off the dinghy in the middle
- 18:04Speaker 12: of a little blow like twenty some not winds that
- 18:07Speaker 12: popped up and on a precol half mile maybe tripped
- 18:12Speaker 12: back to.
- 18:12Speaker 4: The dinghy and angle thing failed. Uh, every single thing.
- 18:19Speaker 4: We weren't wearing mic jackets.
- 18:23Speaker 9: If she.
- 18:25Speaker 4: It was sundown and the sunset like basically ten minutes
- 18:30Speaker 4: after she fell over, dingy k over with her because
- 18:35Speaker 4: it wasn't clipped to anything or anybody, and she had
- 18:38Speaker 4: the spare dingey key in her dry bag which was
- 18:41Speaker 4: with her. Yeah, it was inflated. I mean inflated because
- 18:46Speaker 4: it was folded.
- 18:46Speaker 13: But uh, the wind blew us apart so fast that
- 18:51Speaker 13: I think I think she.
- 18:53Speaker 4: Tried to swim back to the sailboat, back to our sailboat,
- 18:56Speaker 4: which was probably I don't know I was or something,
- 19:02Speaker 4: but the ways was three foot and I was trying
- 19:05Speaker 4: to ship to oars and one of the pends on
- 19:08Speaker 4: the ars broken up, dropped over the side, and I
- 19:12Speaker 4: was yelling for her the whole time. And I yelled
- 19:15Speaker 4: to her that I lost the ar, and I threw
- 19:17Speaker 4: the anchor out and anchored the dinghy and Jesse, yeah,
- 19:23Speaker 4: I yelled. I couldn't see her anymore. It was it
- 19:26Speaker 4: was the moon has not raisen yet.
- 19:29Speaker 1: That is from our friend Vanessa Waltz, the star of
- 19:32Speaker 1: Unmasked True Crime Blaine Stevenson. Is that the yelling that
- 19:39Speaker 1: you're referring to that nobody heard that, but they did
- 19:42Speaker 1: hear a splash, correct?
- 19:45Speaker 11: I mean the time of night. He says it happened
- 19:48Speaker 11: at sunset in our community, that's when everybody's on the
- 19:51Speaker 11: back of their boat, if you're if you're home, if
- 19:54Speaker 11: you're a liver board, if you're in the area, that's
- 19:57Speaker 11: the best time to be outside because you're not getting
- 20:00Speaker 11: by the sun. You're not getting it's dinner time, that's
- 20:05Speaker 11: sundown er time. If you're out, you're out at that time.
- 20:10Speaker 11: The time if I had to pick a time for
- 20:13Speaker 11: a tragedy to happen on the water in an anchorage,
- 20:15Speaker 11: I would pick that time because you're most likely to
- 20:18Speaker 11: get help, you're most likely to be heard, you're most
- 20:21Speaker 11: likely to be seen. So the fact that he's screamed
- 20:24Speaker 11: for an hour and we have no reports of that
- 20:28Speaker 11: five weeks in, but we have reports of people who
- 20:30Speaker 11: are up and around and on land far enough away
- 20:34Speaker 11: from soulmate but could still hear it splash. I'm trying
- 20:39Speaker 11: to piece it together with the Brian I know, and
- 20:42Speaker 11: it's not working, and I really wish he would start
- 20:47Speaker 11: talking and explain it so that it makes sense to us.
- 20:50Speaker 1: Blain, have you asked him, No, he's.
- 20:54Speaker 11: He's blocked everything on social media. I mean I can
- 20:59Speaker 11: ask him right now, Brian, Let's go to the Bahamas
- 21:02Speaker 11: and look together, right.
- 21:04Speaker 1: Uh.
- 21:04Speaker 11: The easiest way to shut up all the haters, as
- 21:06Speaker 11: you call him in comments, is let's grab me you Dan,
- 21:10Speaker 11: Let's let's grab the whole team. Let's go find your wife,
- 21:12Speaker 11: Let's get closure. There's there's no reason, uh for me
- 21:18Speaker 11: to be on a computer and you to be where
- 21:20Speaker 11: you are. Let's be in the Bahamas and let's go find.
- 21:22Speaker 1: Lynette blank staves And do you think he'll take you
- 21:26Speaker 1: up on it?
- 21:27Speaker 11: I hope. So the Brian I knew what of this
- 21:31Speaker 11: guy I've seen for the last five weeks. I don't
- 21:33Speaker 11: know what that guy would do. But the Brian I
- 21:38Speaker 11: knew would bring the people together, go fight the cause,
- 21:43Speaker 11: and go get the answers. And if in the process
- 21:47Speaker 11: it clears his name, great, You know I don't. I
- 21:53Speaker 11: don't want Brian to be guilty. I just can't mathematically
- 21:56Speaker 11: make it work. And that I think that's the misconception
- 22:01Speaker 11: is nobody is going after Brian because they want to
- 22:05Speaker 11: go after Brian. Everyone's going after Brian's story because it's
- 22:11Speaker 11: not working. When was the last time a body went
- 22:14Speaker 11: missing in the water in the Bahamas and was not
- 22:16Speaker 11: recovered in the Abco area. So yeah, the mathematics behind
- 22:22Speaker 11: this is where Brian is a man of science. Brian
- 22:26Speaker 11: taught me a lot about boating. The longer we go
- 22:32Speaker 11: and a dry bag has not been found on shore.
- 22:34Speaker 11: The longer we go and a blue Columbia jacket has
- 22:38Speaker 11: not washed up. The longer we go, we get more information,
- 22:43Speaker 11: we get more speculation. When we don't get is any
- 22:46Speaker 11: more confirmation of his story?
- 22:49Speaker 1: You mentioned twenty nineteen why, uh.
- 22:54Speaker 11: So I was trying to figure out. I'm I want
- 22:57Speaker 11: to believe Brian. I want to I want to understand
- 23:01Speaker 11: so that I can keep my wife safe. I want
- 23:03Speaker 11: to make sure that the cascade of failures that he
- 23:05Speaker 11: went through we don't go through. But I can't find
- 23:09Speaker 11: a scenario that fits anybody falling off a boat and
- 23:14Speaker 11: their body not being recovered in that area. There is
- 23:17Speaker 11: an instant in twenty nineteen where a gentleman left his
- 23:22Speaker 11: fishing boat and was never found again. But even that
- 23:25Speaker 11: report shows like the gas tanks were tampered with or something,
- 23:28Speaker 11: so there was there was some jinky stuff with that one.
- 23:34Speaker 11: But the search and rescue guys when they're being interviewed,
- 23:38Speaker 11: everybody who's being talked to, this just doesn't happen there.
- 23:43Speaker 11: And I do believe all the sailors who say anything
- 23:45Speaker 11: can happen at see. I've been a part of it.
- 23:46Speaker 11: Brian got me through a hurricane. But it doesn't fit
- 23:51Speaker 11: the terrain, and it doesn't fit the night, and it
- 23:53Speaker 11: doesn't fit the time of his story.
- 23:57Speaker 1: You stated that you have a mathematical issue. You can't
- 24:00Speaker 1: mathematically make his story work, and I agree with you.
- 24:05Speaker 1: What I would like to happen is that we find
- 24:07Speaker 1: Lynette alive. I don't think that's going to happen. I
- 24:12Speaker 1: hate to put that out there, and in the search
- 24:16Speaker 1: for her alive, but I think she would have been
- 24:18Speaker 1: in contact with her daughter by now if she were
- 24:21Speaker 1: alive and if she could reach her, Which makes me
- 24:26Speaker 1: go to the next logical step is that she is dead.
- 24:31Speaker 1: And I'm examining his story and I want him to
- 24:34Speaker 1: be telling the truth. I don't want him to be
- 24:37Speaker 1: guilty as well, but his story doesn't add up to me.
- 24:42Speaker 1: So what about it? You can't mathematically make it work.
- 24:45Speaker 1: Two and two is not equaling four. What is the
- 24:49Speaker 1: issue that concerns you the most?
- 24:54Speaker 11: The issue that concerns me the most is we do
- 24:59Speaker 11: know that the weather, Like like the lawyer said at
- 25:01Speaker 11: some point that evening got bad. We have people that
- 25:04Speaker 11: I trust that we're boating in the area that report, Hey,
- 25:07Speaker 11: the weather got squorely that night. But the Sea of
- 25:11Speaker 11: Abaco and the ant Pat's anchorage and that area is
- 25:16Speaker 11: completely different, right. So I talked to a gentleman who
- 25:19Speaker 11: owns a house on Elbow k and it looks out
- 25:22Speaker 11: over the Sea Abaco, and he said, yeah, you know,
- 25:24Speaker 11: it got pretty choppy out there, but that's over where
- 25:26Speaker 11: that yellow line is in your picture, not over where
- 25:29Speaker 11: the red arrows are in between the two land masses.
- 25:33Speaker 11: And if he if the weather and wind was that
- 25:37Speaker 11: bad and he's in a deanie and the wind is
- 25:39Speaker 11: blowing him to marsh Harbor, the timeframe to get to
- 25:42Speaker 11: Marsh Harbor doesn't add up to me. And the fact
- 25:48Speaker 11: that when search and Rescue was out three hours later
- 25:51Speaker 11: they see the green float. He threw, how does the
- 25:54Speaker 11: float float within three hour timeframe of the dean to
- 26:00Speaker 11: end up within three hundred yards of each other or
- 26:02Speaker 11: three hundred feet of each other? As he says, you know,
- 26:06Speaker 11: I went out and I tried this. I threw a
- 26:07Speaker 11: dry bag off of my boat, and I've seen how
- 26:09Speaker 11: fast I separated from it, and a dry bag has
- 26:12Speaker 11: more windage than that green float, and my DENI drifted
- 26:15Speaker 11: away from it at a rapid pace, there for both
- 26:19Speaker 11: of them to end up in Marsh Harbor within three
- 26:21Speaker 11: hours of each other. The math isn't math.
- 26:27Speaker 1: Two. Doctor Rachel Tolds joining us tonight, forensics psychologist, author
- 26:32Speaker 1: of a book on the cusp of publication, Inventing the psychopath.
- 26:39Speaker 1: Doctor Rachel, thank you for being with us. We know
- 26:42Speaker 1: that Lynnette had taken all of her savings, everything, and
- 26:47Speaker 1: it was all being used to fund this trip with
- 26:52Speaker 1: her husband. We know that she had left him on
- 26:54Speaker 1: multiple occasions, and we know there have been domestic violence
- 26:58Speaker 1: in their past. What do you make of what you're hearing?
- 27:05Speaker 14: Well, Nancy, I mean, in my opinion, the most damning
- 27:09Speaker 14: evidence in this case is the fact that two years
- 27:12Speaker 14: ago Brian allegedly choked her and threatened to kill her
- 27:16Speaker 14: and throw her over board.
- 27:18Speaker 11: Her daughter Carly.
- 27:19Speaker 14: Said he threatened it multiple times. She describes him as
- 27:24Speaker 14: kind of having a bit of a doctor Jekyl mister
- 27:26Speaker 14: Hyde personality, which we see in a lot of homicide cases,
- 27:29Speaker 14: meaning that in public with strangers, he was charming, he
- 27:33Speaker 14: was nice, People liked him and they would never imagine
- 27:36Speaker 14: that he would be like this, but behind closed doors
- 27:39Speaker 14: he was a completely different person. So here's some facts
- 27:42Speaker 14: to understand. Prior domestic violence is present in the majority
- 27:46Speaker 14: of intimate partner homicides. Multiple studies have found prior abuse
- 27:51Speaker 14: histories in roughly around eighty percent of homicide cases, so
- 27:56Speaker 14: that's important. Non fatal choking is one of the strongest
- 28:01Speaker 14: predictors of future lethal intimate partner violence, and one landmark
- 28:06Speaker 14: study found that women who had previously been strangled by
- 28:10Speaker 14: a partner were over seven times more likely to later
- 28:13Speaker 14: become victims of attempted homicide by that partner and significantly
- 28:17Speaker 14: more likely to become homicide victims. Okay, So strangulation is
- 28:21Speaker 14: a demonstration that someone is willing to violate physical boundaries
- 28:26Speaker 14: and dominate another person, threatening their life with their own hands.
- 28:30Speaker 14: So there's a psychological willingness to cross that line, and
- 28:35Speaker 14: the overwhelming majority of intimate partner homicides are preceded by
- 28:39Speaker 14: prior violence, escalation patterns, coercive control threats, strangulation, or separation conflict,
- 28:46Speaker 14: and every single one of these markers is allegedly present
- 28:49Speaker 14: in this case. And of course, then there's the part
- 28:53Speaker 14: where we hear about him allegedly joking his daughter in
- 28:57Speaker 14: the past. I mean, he was acquitted for that, but
- 28:59Speaker 14: are these women just making up the fact that he's
- 29:01Speaker 14: choking them? And I mean even in the police reports
- 29:04Speaker 14: they found that the daughter's neck, the marks on her
- 29:07Speaker 14: neck were significant with strangulation or choking.
- 29:10Speaker 5: She told me two years ago that he choked her and.
- 29:14Speaker 1: Was threatening to kill her and throw her overboard.
- 29:16Speaker 5: And she said he choked her so bad that she
- 29:20Speaker 5: felt something like pop in her neck. So and then
- 29:23Speaker 5: that's when she packed her bag and left, and that
- 29:27Speaker 5: she only left her for like a couple of months.
- 29:29Speaker 11: She went back.
- 29:30Speaker 5: To him sadly. I don't know why she went back.
- 29:35Speaker 5: I think she's always known that she needs to leave him,
- 29:37Speaker 5: but she cares about him a lot, and he can
- 29:40Speaker 5: be a great person, Like he's been there a lot
- 29:43Speaker 5: for me and always gave me advice to to.
- 29:47Speaker 1: Blaine Stevenson, this is mister Hooker's friend. His wife is
- 29:51Speaker 1: very close to Lynette. Is that the Brian Hooker that
- 29:57Speaker 1: you know? Were you aware of any of that?
- 30:02Speaker 11: I was aware they broke up in late twenty twenty
- 30:07Speaker 11: three early twenty twenty four, that she left, my wife
- 30:13Speaker 11: was more aware of the intimate details. She gave me
- 30:16Speaker 11: the man version, which is, hey, they're not together anymore.
- 30:19Speaker 11: And then when we moved anchorages, then they were back together.
- 30:25Speaker 11: And at that time, and before I've learned all I
- 30:28Speaker 11: have about domestic violence, it was none of my business,
- 30:32Speaker 11: you know, and so I didn't think anything of it.
- 30:37Speaker 11: But what it does tell me is when he was
- 30:40Speaker 11: doing his interview and I've never been away from my
- 30:44Speaker 11: wife for more than ten days, it's it's not a
- 30:46Speaker 11: crime to lie to your friends and lie to the
- 30:49Speaker 11: the you know, the news and everything else like that,
- 30:53Speaker 11: but it's pretty damning to us when we know you
- 30:55Speaker 11: separated for over a month at least I think it
- 30:59Speaker 11: was almost two months while you're voting with us, and
- 31:03Speaker 11: yet then you're saying, I've never spent ten days away
- 31:05Speaker 11: from my wife, Like he's choosing to lie. I don't
- 31:08Speaker 11: know this guy. Uh, he's choosing to lie for no
- 31:12Speaker 11: apparent reason. Why hold an interview if you're just gonna lie.
- 31:16Speaker 9: There's history of him choking her out and threatening to
- 31:19Speaker 9: throw her overboard. So the fact that this is actually
- 31:23Speaker 9: happening makes me believe there's more to the story. I've
- 31:28Speaker 9: seen him choke out one of his daughters before, and
- 31:31Speaker 9: we had to go to court for that, and I
- 31:34Speaker 9: was only in third grade. So he's just.
- 31:40Speaker 1: Repeating patterns from our friends at thoughts and friends. That's
- 31:45Speaker 1: daughter Carly speaking, and like doctor Toles told us, in
- 31:51Speaker 1: one of those incidents, it actually actually went to court
- 31:54Speaker 1: and he was acquitted on one of the choking incidents. Blaine, again,
- 31:59Speaker 1: thank you for speaking out tonight. Your wife very close
- 32:02Speaker 1: with Lynette. What is she making of all this new evidence?
- 32:09Speaker 11: She is handling it in the way that Brian soulmate
- 32:17Speaker 11: and the Coastguard are in Florida. That's one portion of this.
- 32:24Speaker 11: Her friend is in the Bahamas, and so be it.
- 32:27Speaker 11: Let the Coastguard do their job. Let Brian hide under
- 32:30Speaker 11: wherever he wants to hide if he doesn't care. We
- 32:34Speaker 11: want the permission, We want to be able to search
- 32:37Speaker 11: the Bahamas. We want the closure. Brian doesn't want the
- 32:41Speaker 11: closure he wanted with his mom, but doesn't want with
- 32:43Speaker 11: his wife. That's what my wife wants.
- 32:45Speaker 1: I say, that's a really good point, Blaine. Because he
- 32:48Speaker 1: left just as Carly, the daughter was touching down. He
- 32:53Speaker 1: left the Bahamas and came back to be with his
- 32:55Speaker 1: ailing mom, who is apparently still alive. He has left
- 33:00Speaker 1: her bedside pretty quickly, so he came to see her
- 33:04Speaker 1: while his wife is still missing in the Bahamas.
- 33:07Speaker 11: Which means closure is important to.
- 33:09Speaker 1: Him, you would think. But his mom has not passed away,
- 33:13Speaker 1: so I don't know what closure we're talking about when
- 33:17Speaker 1: it comes to that.
- 33:18Speaker 11: But then closure for Lynette would be just as important, exactly.
- 33:22Speaker 1: Yes, yes, Dave Matt what can you tell me about
- 33:25Speaker 1: the lights aboard the Soulmate At the time, Brian Hooker
- 33:30Speaker 1: was allegedly, according to him, out in the water desperately
- 33:34Speaker 1: looking for.
- 33:34Speaker 11: His wife Nancy.
- 33:37Speaker 8: This is the part that is difficult to explain away. Remember,
- 33:42Speaker 8: from the time that Lynette and Brian Hooker left Sure
- 33:47Speaker 8: to head towards their Soulmate on the dinghy, nobody was
- 33:52Speaker 8: on Soulmate. Nobody was on that boat from there on out,
- 33:55Speaker 8: according to what Brian Hooker tells us. So lights are
- 34:00Speaker 8: not just seen Nancy. These lights are actually part of
- 34:05Speaker 8: a security video. Seventeen minutes after leaving Abaco, in security
- 34:15Speaker 8: footage of the Soulmate captures a bright flash of light.
- 34:21Speaker 11: That's flash of light number one.
- 34:23Speaker 8: A second bright event occurred around midnight, and multiple witnesses
- 34:30Speaker 8: subsequently reported seeing flares being fired off the sailboat around
- 34:36Speaker 8: eight pm, A horizontal flare, not vertical. The stress signal
- 34:42Speaker 8: goes up weapon horizontal around eight pm. So there's your
- 34:49Speaker 8: shocking lights and flares. Nancy on the Soulmate.
- 34:53Speaker 1: Vanessa Waltz, joining a store of unmasked true crime, who
- 34:56Speaker 1: has dedicated weeks and weeks of investigation into Lynnett's disappearance. Vanessa,
- 35:03Speaker 1: what more can you tell us about the lights that
- 35:05Speaker 1: appeared on the Soulmate the yacht? When Brian Hooker says
- 35:10Speaker 1: he's out far far away in the dinghy trying to
- 35:14Speaker 1: save his wife who has disappeared in the water.
- 35:18Speaker 6: Well, there's a lot of intriguing theories I've seen about this.
- 35:22Speaker 6: It will be interesting to see if they can corroborate that,
- 35:24Speaker 6: because it is an intriguing theory to think about the fact.
- 35:28Speaker 6: Was there an argument on the boat that he said
- 35:31Speaker 6: they never got back to was a flare gun shot
- 35:35Speaker 6: in defense or as a potential just out of desperation
- 35:40Speaker 6: and as a walker. We don't know the answers to
- 35:42Speaker 6: these questions, but that has been floating around quite a
- 35:45Speaker 6: bit online. But it'll be interesting to see what they
- 35:49Speaker 6: can pull from those witnesses that they were trying to
- 35:51Speaker 6: locate in the digital evidence on the boat either support
- 35:56Speaker 6: or contradict Brand's story that night.
- 35:59Speaker 1: Gibbs joining us Director Operations USPA Nationwide Security. They witnesses
- 36:07Speaker 1: and there are more than one witness that states the
- 36:12Speaker 1: lights being seen from the Soulmate while the husband says
- 36:17Speaker 1: Brian Hooker that he was far away trying to save
- 36:20Speaker 1: his wife who bounced off the dinghy. What would the
- 36:24Speaker 1: working theory be that they were back on the Soulmate
- 36:29Speaker 1: and that's where an argument took place.
- 36:32Speaker 2: I believe so, And I want to point out one thing.
- 36:36Speaker 2: Brian Hooker very quickly made a public statement in an included.
- 36:42Speaker 10: Kind of casually.
- 36:44Speaker 2: Included that he set off a flat an emergency flare. Okay,
- 36:49Speaker 2: when witnesses are now coming forward, eyewitnesses saying that they
- 36:54Speaker 2: saw a flare, not necessarily at the same time he
- 36:57Speaker 2: said he shot it, and not in the same location.
- 37:01Speaker 2: Right now we have we have two flare stories. This
- 37:06Speaker 2: is something that I'm watching very closely, is if if
- 37:10Speaker 2: the CGIs can verify that they indeed went back to
- 37:14Speaker 2: that boat and the theory that you just mentioned was correct.
- 37:17Speaker 2: That you know, they left the restaurant, they went to
- 37:20Speaker 2: the boat. Whatever happened happened there, and then you know
- 37:23Speaker 2: the cover up began. That's all going to be based
- 37:26Speaker 2: on can CGIs pulled data from this boat? Is there
- 37:30Speaker 2: security footage? Did somebody's phone or watch connect? The data
- 37:36Speaker 2: here is going to be everything and the.
- 37:38Speaker 13: Ways we're doing their thing.
- 37:39Speaker 12: And you know I.
- 37:41Speaker 4: Saw her, I think twice. I threw her a flotation
- 37:44Speaker 4: cushion that we used to sit on the dingy, you know,
- 37:47Speaker 4: right after she went in, but I didn't I couldn't
- 37:50Speaker 4: tell if she got she got it or not. We've
- 37:52Speaker 4: been looking for the cushion too, the search and rescue teams.
- 37:57Speaker 4: How small the person is two and three floaters and
- 38:01Speaker 4: twenty five don wins.
- 38:03Speaker 15: And so after an.
- 38:07Speaker 4: Hour of calling her, I could have never heard her voice.
- 38:12Speaker 2: And uh.
- 38:14Speaker 4: Powermo came by and I waved my flash night on
- 38:20Speaker 4: my phone in the neighbor so fasted, you know, they
- 38:23Speaker 4: didn't even see. And then as another one came by
- 38:26Speaker 4: right behind it, sort of five minutes behind it, and
- 38:30Speaker 4: I had I had grabbed the flayers by then I
- 38:33Speaker 4: came with I had two flares, and uh uh, they
- 38:38Speaker 4: didn't see the flares, I guess, and I after and
- 38:42Speaker 4: then I didn't know what to do.
- 38:45Speaker 12: I was basically.
- 38:47Speaker 4: Were basically by the time I got the anchor set,
- 38:51Speaker 4: I was probably a quarter to a half a mile
- 38:54Speaker 4: away from her.
- 38:55Speaker 1: And you Blaine Stevenson ran Hooker's friend. There. You hear
- 39:00Speaker 1: him describing as Bryan Fitzgibbons recounted shooting off the flares,
- 39:07Speaker 1: but according to other reports, when the dinghy was searched,
- 39:11Speaker 1: no flares were missing and the life vests were right
- 39:18Speaker 1: there in the floor. Now you've heard him talking about
- 39:22Speaker 1: shooting off flares. What does that mean to you? And
- 39:27Speaker 1: what do you make of multiple witnesses seeing lights and
- 39:32Speaker 1: even flares, one being shot horizontally off the soulmate at
- 39:37Speaker 1: the time, Hooker says he's out looking for his wife
- 39:40Speaker 1: on the dinghy.
- 39:44Speaker 11: Well, I've got kind of two separate thought processes on that.
- 39:48Speaker 11: One is he talks about two boats coming, and he
- 39:52Speaker 11: fired a flair for the first one and it didn't
- 39:54Speaker 11: see it, and then he fired a flair for the
- 39:56Speaker 11: second one after it passed me he didn't see it,
- 39:58Speaker 11: And I can I can understand a boat going by
- 40:00Speaker 11: and not seeing a flare if it was shot behind him,
- 40:02Speaker 11: they're not looking behind him. The second boat that came
- 40:05Speaker 11: five minutes later would have saw the flare. He fired
- 40:08Speaker 11: for the first boat though, right because it would have
- 40:11Speaker 11: been heading towards the flare. In his story. As far
- 40:16Speaker 11: as lights and flares and the activity on his boat,
- 40:22Speaker 11: I don't know what could have been. I mean, I
- 40:24Speaker 11: don't know when his sister showed up. Was she on
- 40:26Speaker 11: the boat that night? We got reports If he had
- 40:31Speaker 11: family in town, he stayed with them, she's seen in
- 40:35Speaker 11: a video. Maybe they were on the boat the whole
- 40:40Speaker 11: time and that's okay. Or maybe Brian's just so unlucky
- 40:44Speaker 11: that he got robbed at the same time he lost
- 40:46Speaker 11: his wife. It makes as much sense that he got
- 40:49Speaker 11: robbed while he lost his wife off the back of
- 40:53Speaker 11: a Dinghi as it does his story.
- 40:56Speaker 1: Where are you getting the rob theory If.
- 40:59Speaker 11: He's not on his boat because he's on a Dane,
- 41:01Speaker 11: somebody broke onto his boat to cause all those lights
- 41:04Speaker 11: to shoot off a flare on his boat, He's just
- 41:08Speaker 11: had a bad string of luck. Yeah, it's it's It's
- 41:12Speaker 11: as probable as the second boat not seeing the first flare.
- 41:15Speaker 4: At that point, I was slightly closer to something he
- 41:20Speaker 4: which has a few houses on it, and I decided
- 41:22Speaker 4: I had to go get help, but I could not
- 41:25Speaker 4: get to the islands flood paddle and then the tight
- 41:27Speaker 4: the type carried me right the first house and then
- 41:32Speaker 4: the second house, and I ended up drifting and paddle
- 41:41Speaker 4: many hours until I landed on the Marsh Islands about
- 41:45Speaker 4: four miles away.
- 41:47Speaker 15: The thing, a key, was not attached to me, you know,
- 41:49Speaker 15: so when we were around trying to get back in
- 41:51Speaker 15: the boat and some of the sun was falling, when
- 41:54Speaker 15: it kind of dropped out, it was a magnet key,
- 41:57Speaker 15: you know, for the electric motor.
- 41:58Speaker 9: It was a.
- 41:59Speaker 4: Cascade to fill. And there's funal thing I'm never going
- 42:03Speaker 4: to forgive myself for.
- 42:04Speaker 13: And then so this happened like Saturday night during all
- 42:08Speaker 13: day at a place called Tahiti Beach, and they're gonna
- 42:11Speaker 13: have a beach part that pulls up on a barge.
- 42:14Speaker 13: And you know, we hit the next stop it, I mean,
- 42:18Speaker 13: stay too long, we left too dark, all kinds of
- 42:22Speaker 13: no life jackets. I had to the two that you stuff,
- 42:25Speaker 13: you know under the seat, said nobody ever wears for
- 42:28Speaker 13: coast Guard purposes.
- 42:29Speaker 4: But we used to wear these life jackets all we
- 42:32Speaker 4: had these other ones all the time.
- 42:34Speaker 1: That is from our friend Vanessa Walt at Unmasked True Crime.
- 42:38Speaker 1: But there's more.
- 42:40Speaker 4: I said, I've never harmed Linette and I never would
- 42:42Speaker 4: harm Lynette, and I want to find Lynnette. No one
- 42:45Speaker 4: has told me not to stop looking, and I'm going
- 42:48Speaker 4: to keep looking.
- 42:50Speaker 1: From our friends at NBC, that is not what the
- 42:53Speaker 1: daughter and when that's mother say back to Blaine Stevenson,
- 42:59Speaker 1: this is a longtime friend of Brian Hooker's. Given the
- 43:06Speaker 1: loud and I'm gonna splash that was heard, given the
- 43:11Speaker 1: lights on the soulmate at the time, he says he's
- 43:14Speaker 1: in another place. What is your message to Brian Hooker tonight.
- 43:23Speaker 11: I feel like the world's painting you in a bad light.
- 43:25Speaker 11: I feel like there is a bunch of information coming
- 43:31Speaker 11: out that makes your story, myself included, makes your story
- 43:35Speaker 11: not true. Let's get together, Let's go find Lynette. Let's
- 43:38Speaker 11: prove your story right. Let's give finality to everybody. You're
- 43:42Speaker 11: doing no good in Michigan. Let's go find Lynnette, and
- 43:47Speaker 11: let's get the salved. That's what needs to happen.
- 43:50Speaker 1: To Josh colesrud veteran, try a lawyer. What's your advice
- 43:54Speaker 1: for Brian Hooker keep hiding under the bed.
- 43:58Speaker 7: Well, I think that is attorney are doing the right thing,
- 44:02Speaker 7: which is instructing him not to make any statements to
- 44:06Speaker 7: the media and frankly to keep his mouth shut. You
- 44:09Speaker 7: are under a microscope. All of your actions and words
- 44:13Speaker 7: are going to be scrutinized to the very letter.
- 44:18Speaker 9: Now.
- 44:18Speaker 7: You know there are going to be pundits that say,
- 44:20Speaker 7: why aren't you out there, you know, searching for your wife,
- 44:23Speaker 7: But you know you have law enforcement doing that, and
- 44:27Speaker 7: you know you're going to be blamed regardless of what
- 44:30Speaker 7: you do right now. So you know his attorneys are
- 44:33Speaker 7: doing a good job. They need to make sure that
- 44:35Speaker 7: he doesn't incriminate himself and frankly needs to be prepared
- 44:40Speaker 7: for an arrest and maybe charges down the road.
- 44:43Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. So you're not recommending that he go
- 44:47Speaker 1: post haste back to the Bahamas and try to find
- 44:49Speaker 1: his wife.
- 44:51Speaker 7: Absolutely not. No, it's a foreign jurisdiction. Bahamas have primary
- 44:55Speaker 7: jurisdiction in this case. It's a third world country. You
- 44:59Speaker 7: do not want to get stuff U and the justice
- 45:01Speaker 7: system in any country, especially one that's outside of the
- 45:05Speaker 7: United States.
- 45:06Speaker 1: And to you, doctor Rachel Tols, what is your advice
- 45:10Speaker 1: for Carly her daughter?
- 45:14Speaker 14: Yeah, I mean, this is incredibly tragic, and I'm sure
- 45:19Speaker 14: she's still in shock, and I think that for her
- 45:22Speaker 14: it's just again taking care of yourself. Mother's Day obviously
- 45:26Speaker 14: just passed recently, and so it's an incredibly hard time
- 45:30Speaker 14: for her. So just be kind. There's no obviously, you know,
- 45:33Speaker 14: when when your mother or someone you love is missing,
- 45:36Speaker 14: you can't really grieve it because you don't really have
- 45:38Speaker 14: that closure, and so you can't even say there's no
- 45:41Speaker 14: right or wrong way to grieve, because you know, but
- 45:43Speaker 14: it's unfortunately likely that she's she's she's passed, you know,
- 45:48Speaker 14: and so if she whatever she feels is totally normal.
- 45:52Speaker 14: She feels angry, you know, just do whatever it takes
- 45:55Speaker 14: to take care of yourself right now, because this is
- 45:57Speaker 14: an incredibly probably going to be the hardest time of
- 46:00Speaker 14: your life.
- 46:01Speaker 1: I do know. One team is trying to solve the
- 46:04Speaker 1: mystery of Lynnet's disappearance, Vanessa Walsh, star of Unmasked True Crime. Earlier,
- 46:10Speaker 1: we heard Brian Fitzgibbons referred to CGIs Coast Guard Investigation Services.
- 46:16Speaker 1: They have the boat, why and where is it?
- 46:21Speaker 9: So?
- 46:21Speaker 6: What we know about that is that you know, Brian
- 46:25Speaker 6: and Lynette's yacht was being surveilled by the US Coast
- 46:29Speaker 6: Guard and as it was en route from the Bahamas
- 46:32Speaker 6: headed back to the US, it was seized by the
- 46:35Speaker 6: coast Guard. There are reports that there were two unidentified
- 46:38Speaker 6: mails on the boat at the time. I don't think
- 46:40Speaker 6: it's been verified who they were, but it's been widely
- 46:42Speaker 6: assumed that those are people that Brian hired to bring
- 46:46Speaker 6: the boat back. The fact that the Coast Guard sees
- 46:49Speaker 6: this only tells us that the investigation this has moved
- 46:54Speaker 6: far beyond a routine missing person's investigation. That boat is
- 47:00Speaker 6: very possibly a crime scene and investigators clearly believe that
- 47:04Speaker 6: there may be evidence on the boat that's worth processing.
- 47:09Speaker 1: I'm preserving rive it's Gibbons USPA nationwide security. What do
- 47:13Speaker 1: you make of the Coastguard seizing the bout the yacht
- 47:18Speaker 1: the Soulmate as it's on its way back to the US.
- 47:23Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they're going to want to go through
- 47:25Speaker 2: with a fine toothed comb. Everything on that vessel that's
- 47:31Speaker 2: creating digital forensic evidence. You know, you're gonna have navigation systems.
- 47:36Speaker 2: It's been reported now that there are multiple cameras on
- 47:41Speaker 2: the boat, So did those catch anything? You know, Wi Fi,
- 47:46Speaker 2: any type of communication device. And I've even heard that
- 47:49Speaker 2: these batteries, some of the batteries and power equipment generate
- 47:55Speaker 2: a log that will indicate when events took place on
- 47:58Speaker 2: the boat. So that's that's going to be the number
- 48:02Speaker 2: one thing. The second thing is obviously, you know, doing
- 48:05Speaker 2: a deeper dive on that vessel to see if there
- 48:08Speaker 2: were cleaning agents used to see if there was blood
- 48:12Speaker 2: spatter or any type of physical evidence of an altercation
- 48:17Speaker 2: taking place there.
- 48:19Speaker 1: If you know or think you know anything about Lynette's disappearance,
- 48:24Speaker 1: please call toll free eight hundred four two four eight
- 48:29Speaker 1: eight zero two repeat eight hundred four two four eight
- 48:35Speaker 1: eight zero two for the US Coastguards. We remember an
- 48:41Speaker 1: American hero, Detective Carrie Roscoe, Omaha PD, Nebraska, just twenty nine,
- 48:47Speaker 1: shot in the line of duty after seven years on
- 48:51Speaker 1: the force, leaving behind a husband turned widow, Hector, and
- 48:57Speaker 1: children Olivia, Natalia and Antiago. American hero Detective Carrie Roscoe.
- 49:05Speaker 1: Thank you to our guests, but especially to you for
- 49:08Speaker 1: being with us as we continue the search for Lynette.
- 49:13Speaker 1: Nancy Gray signing off for tonight, but I'll see you
- 49:15Speaker 1: tomorrow night, and until then, good night, friend,