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8. Building Healthy Prophetic Culture: The Power of Prophetic Words · The Hearing God Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Hearing God Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Anthony Moore.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Dan Lamas.
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  Speaker 2: For over a decade, anthony and I have been diving deep into weekly conversations about the prophetic, the mystical and the matters of the heart.
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  Speaker 1: And we invite you into these weekly conversations.
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  Speaker 1: We hope you feel like an honored guest at our table, so pull up a chair, settle in and let's get started.
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  Speaker 2: Well, here we are, here we are.
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  Speaker 1: Here we are.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning, Dan.
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  Speaker 1: Good morning to you.
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  Speaker 2: How are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: I'm doing well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's good to be doing this, as you know, it's good to be doing this as people.
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  Speaker 2: Just to be aware, it's always the middle of our week that we do this, so it's good to kind of jump in and get rolling.
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  Speaker 2: So, yeah, happy to be doing this this morning.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Looking forward to a good conversation.
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  Speaker 1: You know we just got some I don't know like maybe we can just jump right in Looking forward to a good conversation.
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  Speaker 1: You know we just got some.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know like maybe we can just jump right in and maybe just the things that we've been talking about recently, just about healthy prophetic culture and building healthy prophetic culture I thought it would be like really great to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe first it will be helpful.
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  Speaker 1: I think it will be helpful for a lot of people and maybe most people will be encouraged by this.
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  Speaker 1: But just talking about like, maybe, if you'd feel free, feel like it, um, just talk about what it was like, maybe a couple things.
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  Speaker 1: Is that that what it was like for you to maybe receive your first prophetic word, right?
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  Speaker 1: and how that was for you.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe talk about what it was like to give your first prophetic word.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe start with the receive first.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, usually that happens first I would say I don't know if it was that's right, but generally speaking, I'm sure there's lots yeah there's lots that go the other way well, I'm really glad that you asked me that, um, because I I do remember it's a very fond memory the first time, I would say, you know, I was invited to sit with a prophetic team which I had never heard of before.
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  Speaker 2: I'd been a follower of Jesus since childhood first, really understood the gospel for me and invited I just received the gospel, invited Jesus to be in my life, surrounded my lifetime, but I think it, I believe I would have been around 30, around 30 years old the first time that I was in a setting where you know, it was actually a seminar at a local church not too far from here and they had invited in, you know, a presenter and there was.
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  Speaker 2: It was a weekend, a weekend workshop on the prophetic ministry, and I found it was a hearing God kind of weekend and I was really enjoying it.
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  Speaker 2: And then they came down to the end and the MC, the host, said hey, if you would like to receive prophetic ministry, we have teams available.
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  Speaker 2: And I had no idea what he was talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I knew that that God was a God who speaks and that we could hear him, and and God of that revealed things to us and so on, and I knew about God speaking through different means, but I had never heard of the idea of a prophetic team being available, that you could actually sit down in a chair and they would could actually like sit down in a chair and they would give you a word from God.
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  Speaker 2: It was a new concept for me, and so there were probably 150 of us or so in the room and right away the line just filled right up, and so I was sitting there in my chair thinking, ah, I don't think I'm into that.
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  Speaker 2: But then everybody rushed to get in line for this and I'm like, okay, wait a second.
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  Speaker 1: They must know about something.
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  Speaker 2: They know about something Okay, so I jumped in line and waited and waited, and so it was upstairs in this church.
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  Speaker 2: We went upstairs and there were these teams of three by three, like teams of people, sitting and waiting.
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  Speaker 2: There was three of them in chairs and then there would be an empty chair.
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  Speaker 2: I came up and I sat down.
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  Speaker 2: There were three middle-aged women there and I'm not going to mention their names today, but a few of them.
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  Speaker 1: I still remember that it was them.
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  Speaker 1: It was just really really cool.
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  Speaker 1: I still remember that it was them.
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  Speaker 2: It was just really, really cool.
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  Speaker 2: So I sat down and introduced ourselves briefly and they just said, okay, well, let's just invite the Lord to come and give us what He'd like you to know.
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  Speaker 2: So, anyway, we waited maybe 30 seconds or so and they just began to speak up.
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  Speaker 2: And so, from what I remember of that time, and everybody had a little cassette recorder, okay, and they recorded the words for everybody, and they sent you away with your cassette tape.
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  Speaker 2: So I came away Somewhere I have this.
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  Speaker 2: So I came away Somewhere I have this.
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  Speaker 2: But from what I remember, the first word was God wants you to know that he loves spending time with you, and anytime he sees you coming to him, he just smiles.
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  Speaker 2: He just wants you to know that he just loves your company.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good word.
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  Speaker 2: And it was yes, it's a great word.
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  Speaker 2: And at that, like it surprised me that that would be a thing God would want to say to me.
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  Speaker 2: Then the.
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  Speaker 2: I believe the next word was this one to this day I'm not sure if I fully get it, but they, the, the, the woman said I just see you with, like looking like a farmer, like you're out in the field and you're a farmer and I see you with like a work shirt and jeans on and you're just working and loving it and I just feel like that's the way the lord sees you, that you that you're a farmer, and he loves that about you.
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  Speaker 2: And then the last word in that first prophetic ministry time I had, which was probably the most meaningful that has stayed with me, is I sense a real supernatural authenticity about you and these women had never met me before, right, wow, and they had no idea that that had been a really important part of my journey.
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  Speaker 2: Right, um, as a, you know, as a much younger man coming, coming into my university years.
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  Speaker 1: right was, it was really all about authenticity, because it was like that I don't know for the sake of other people, because I know a little bit about the story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, my testimony.
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  Speaker 1: There was a really pivotal moment in your life where you're saying, god, if this is not real.
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  Speaker 1: Essentially, if I have to pretend or be fake, I don't want any of it not real.
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  Speaker 2: Essentially like, if I have to pretend or be fake, I don't want any of it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right, I was perceiving all, all of this um what I felt was hypocrisy and pretending around me in the church right and, frankly, a lot of that had to do with my perception.
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  Speaker 2: I've learned over the years, but I felt like what I was walking away from was not being authentic, being fake.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want anything to do with that.
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  Speaker 2: So here we were, 10 years later and they're saying I just sense there is an authenticity about you, but it's not just authenticity, it's like there's an anointing on it.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And your authenticity is going to really open the doors of people's hearts and they're going to feel like they can share with you and that you're real and they're safe to share their authenticity with you.
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  Speaker 2: And they're going to know that it's going to be a good place for them, and so those were the messages from that from that first prophetic ministry.
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  Speaker 2: But it was so, it was so accurate and fit me so well that I was sold like I already knew.
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  Speaker 2: yeah, god was a god who revealed his truth.
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  Speaker 2: He spoke, you know, in different ways, but I had never entrusted myself to a team of people, right, right, and said, okay, what you know?
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  Speaker 2: What would the Lord want to say to me today?
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  Speaker 1: What do you feel like happens?
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  Speaker 1: Like, do you and maybe I'll ask a question like this Like, do you feel like that?
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  Speaker 1: Like what expectations?
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  Speaker 1: Maybe there was expectations about how God spoke, like what he sounded like?
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  Speaker 1: Like, do you feel like that, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Or did you just say like I'm up for whatever, or did you?
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  Speaker 1: Like we kind of like.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if we, like you, know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I did, I do.
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  Speaker 2: I anticipated more, as we've talked about before.
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  Speaker 1: I anticipated more evaluation and okay judgment like a scorecard.
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  Speaker 1: Here's how you've been measuring up and not measuring, kind of in that category of assuming right.
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  Speaker 2: Laying bare the secrets of my heart would mean that there was something in here that was inappropriate and off, and I was hoping God wouldn't tell them, my secrets.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, you know secrets in a negative way.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, of course that there were things that I was feeling guilty about that.
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  Speaker 2: I hope that doesn't come out.
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  Speaker 2: Not that I would ever have any more secrets ever again.
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  Speaker 1: But I assumed it was going to be Like the tone of it, almost like the tone of his voice, how he would speak through people.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't expect to hear God loves this.
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  Speaker 1: Like he is stoked that we're praying for Dan Lamas today.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Because he just loves this.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like what I didn't expect that Right and just the yeah, I really did communicate to me.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't have coined it this way at the time, but looking back I really sensed that thing of God knows me and he gets me Right, Right, Like that was the thing, and I didn't really expect that.
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  Speaker 2: I expected more of a you need to do better, yes, and what I got was I get you and because I get you, I love you.
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  Speaker 2: I love what I'm getting so good.
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  Speaker 2: The pressure just fell away Right and I felt really comforted and wanting more.
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  Speaker 1: I think, and so was that surprising.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it did.
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  Speaker 2: It was surprising, right Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting I think I would have been open to rebukes and different things.
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  Speaker 2: I would have been open, thinking well, maybe that's what this is.
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  Speaker 2: But when it wasn't, I thought oh, this is intriguing, I wonder how this is going to be beneficial in my life.
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  Speaker 2: That was the sense I had.
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  Speaker 2: Coming away with.
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  Speaker 2: My cassette tape was oh, I wonder how this is going to fit.
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  Speaker 2: Going forward, you know so just to throw in there I, so that was can't do the math here.
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  Speaker 1: Was it like early mid nineties?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so so that was 30 years ago, right.
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  Speaker 2: So that was 30 years ago, right.
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  Speaker 2: And there are situations I get into right now, currently, and I'm reminded of those words, like, for instance, I've lived into the anointing for authenticity.
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  Speaker 2: I've lived into that I've said which is important for people, you know, if people are learning about what to do with a prophetic word somebody gives you I was taught to pray into that and say, lord, I receive that, I receive that and you know, I give myself to.
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  Speaker 2: You know, looking for that in my life, looking for the fulfillment of that, I surrender my authenticity to you.
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  Speaker 2: I remember praying that prayer.
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  Speaker 2: If there's an anointing on this, like everybody, everybody can be authentic God.
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  Speaker 2: But if that's sort of a uniqueness to my ministry going forward, then I surrender to that.
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  Speaker 2: So that has been a bit of a guiding light for me, like when I get into ministry programming.
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  Speaker 2: You know, as a pastor, you do a lot of planning and preparation and you're doing a lot of you know you're being strategic and so on.
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  Speaker 2: That will come back to me as a guiding light kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Almost like behind the strategizing is don't forget to be authentic, right, because that's something I've uniquely given to you and it's going to unlock other people's authenticity.
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  Speaker 2: So, that's become a bit of a.
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  Speaker 2: It's been like a just I don't know what the term is, but that's been a guiding influence for me, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, let me see if I can just help reshape it, because this is where my head was a little bit coming into this right that you know we had been talking about, like 1 Timothy 1.18, where Paul says this this I entrust to you, timothy, my child, in accordance with the prophecies previously made about you, that by them, by what?
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  Speaker 1: By the prophecies, you may wage the good warfare.
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  Speaker 1: By the prophecies you may wage the good warfare.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's like so that those prophetic words, even from your very first experience, have been this place, like almost a weapon right in your hand, so that you could like.
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  Speaker 1: So the temptation would be, dan, you need to hide, you need to, you know, look like something someone has all together.
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  Speaker 1: But the weapon, the prophetic word in your hand is a weapon to keep pressing you keep unlocking, keep cutting away the darkness, keep cutting out the hidden sort of like, the desire to be hidden, to make you look like, to present something that you're not kind of deal.
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  Speaker 1: So that keeps you.
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  Speaker 1: So that prophetic word has been this tool or weapon in your hand to throw out your ministry for the last 30 years, to keep you in that authentic.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, ministry like for the last 30 years.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, to keep you in that authentic, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I want to share something vulnerable, because as you're talking, anthony it's is, you're reminding me of something.
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  Speaker 2: Um, a statement that was spoken over me in that first prophetic ministry was the the lord's favor is really upon you.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, okay, that was the sentence, and I remember thinking, ooh, that sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have any idea, what that means.
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  Speaker 2: I'd never really thought about the word favor.
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  Speaker 2: It just seemed like a word might get tossed around in Christianese, but I didn't really understand what it was.
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  Speaker 2: So I remember digging into that afterwards and trying to learn what favor meant.
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  Speaker 2: But just so over time, was, you know, the kindness of God?
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  Speaker 2: Affirmation of God.
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  Speaker 2: You know, my delight, you know, is in you.
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  Speaker 2: So to get paraphrased, god really likes me.
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  Speaker 2: And so this is the vulnerable part, I feel even saying you know just kind of God really likes me.
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  Speaker 2: I always feel like well, what about everybody else?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like well, god really likes you too.
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  Speaker 2: But I needed to really hear that, and part of it is, anthony, because so many times over those decades, when I've been in an intimidating situation, the whisper has been in somewhere inside of me to say remember that God likes you a lot and remember to be real, right, because that's your weapon.
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  Speaker 2: Right, and it really it.
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  Speaker 2: It.
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  Speaker 2: It came out of that prophetic ministry time.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like I always had known those things about me in a certain way.
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  Speaker 2: But that prophetic ministry time all those years ago really cracked it open and it so the like doing warfare with hey, don't forget to be real.
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  Speaker 2: It's like if I don't know what to do if I'm on a stage on a street corner in a ministry moment with somebody in a freedom prayer session, yeah, and I feel thrown off and intimidated.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will feel this prompting, I believe, from the Holy Spirit saying hey, don't forget to be real, and I like you a lot, right.
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  Speaker 1: It has been a weapon that's so good.
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  Speaker 1: I would say this so there's two things.
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  Speaker 1: The first thing is how profoundly meaningful it is to like for those things that you would just hope that would be true about yourself you either wondering or you're hoping, yes, then to hear some of those things come out of somebody else's mouth.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, you don't know right.
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  Speaker 1: Like there, there's a like, there's a powerful moment right there, I just thought that was.
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  Speaker 1: That was such a like I mean you could, I definitely like there's such.
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know where to go with that, but just to say that that's beautiful, yeah, transformative, and that's half of it.
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  Speaker 1: Half of it's just the, you know, just the, just those details coming together, um, is just sort of life-altering.
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  Speaker 1: The second thing I want to get to is like okay, so, based on what we were just talking about and this is another scripture that had come to mind Let me just read this to you.
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  Speaker 1: So it's 2 Corinthians 10, 4 to 6.
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  Speaker 1: It says For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but have divine power to destroy strongholds.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, we destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of god, you know.
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  Speaker 1: And then he says taken to thought every uh, captivity and making an obedience to christ.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, and like to me, like the things we've been talking about, put this scripture in a whole other light right.
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  Speaker 1: To me it's like, for some reason in my life, I've always viewed that scripture as I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I didn't even know just something I've prayed into I don't know, I didn't even know Just something I've prayed into God, the weapons that we're fighting for, like the things.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we're not just fighting with like stuff that we can put our hands on, like the smell, touch, taste and hear, whatever all of that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: There's something else going on and I've always been like sort of declarative about that, Like this is true, you know, the weapons that we fight with are not like of this world, but they're like supernatural right.
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  Speaker 1: Right and to me right.
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  Speaker 1: Having the conversation that we've had, like I can draw a direct line to a prophetic word that was spoken over you that unlocked something in you?
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  Speaker 1: Because, really, because, again, like what's it for, locked something in you?
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  Speaker 1: Because, really, because, again, like what's it for it's like tearing down strongholds and arguments and lofty opinions against the knowledge of God.
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  Speaker 1: So everything like the prophetic, that prophetic word has served to do that in your life that has destroyed things against you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, Dan Lamas, knowing God.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, like knowing intimately and experiencing God that prophetic word has stood in the way or torn down that thing.
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  Speaker 1: So to me, I just was like, I was like, wow, that's when I was reading that recently, I just I like had this moment of like oh yeah this is what the prophetic does.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right I hear god speak yeah, anyway.
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  Speaker 2: So, just yeah, throwing it out there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, that's.
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  Speaker 2: And that would include that would includeed you of the enemy's strategy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, for instance, like taking down a stronghold or a pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God in me, or even in somebody else that sets itself up against the knowledge of God in me, or even in somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: The Holy Spirit reminding me hey, remember, one of the moves the enemy's going to try to pull on you is to get you to not trust who I've made you to be.
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  Speaker 2: He's going to try to get you to perform as if you need to be like somebody else Right, to try to get you to perform as if you need to be like somebody else right.
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  Speaker 2: Um, yeah, or he's going to, the enemy's going to, uh, really try to get you to doubt, right, that my approval, that I approve of you, that my favor is upon you.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Those have helped me as defensive weapons, and so it is offensive weapons, but also through prophetic words, which is interesting because to me, personal, like prophetic ministry has to do with things that are just true.
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  Speaker 2: They are the truth anyway, but, for whatever reason, I need to have it highlighted to me in a moment and the Holy Spirit knows why All those words that I've received over the years?
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  Speaker 2: really, they could be the truth for anybody, and anybody can benefit from hearing what the Holy.
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  Speaker 2: Spirit has said to me because it's the truth, but there are specific reasons why I need to hear that, and so sometimes using those words as weapons could be defensive or could be offensive.
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  Speaker 2: And sometimes it's just ah, enemy, I know what you're trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and because of what God has spoken to me, I'm not going to fall for it yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like I'm going to take this route because I know the way the Holy Spirit has instructed me through this prophetic word back there that's so good A really important.
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  Speaker 2: Another one, anthony, I want to just mention.
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  Speaker 2: Sure in the year 2000,.
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  Speaker 2: There's a prophetic word.
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  Speaker 2: I received that really in the moment.
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  Speaker 2: I knew it was very important, right, and it was very specific and I took great care to actually, again, it was recorded but I took time to transcribe it and I've kept it as a file on my computer.
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  Speaker 2: I have to go back and look at it because there were promises in it of how God wanted to use me which were very accurate to who I am.
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  Speaker 2: This was again.
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  Speaker 2: This was from a prophet that wouldn't have known me until 90 seconds before she and her team prayed for me.
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  Speaker 2: But it was very, very accurate, like callings and dreams in my heart of what you know, what God, what I believed God wanted to do through me.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, the Lord just really showed her and she was quite overwhelmed as she prophesied over me and that was like, oh, this feels really important.
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  Speaker 2: But there was just some key instructions in there.
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  Speaker 2: One of them was to always guard against bitterness.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, okay, because she was like, yeah, these things that God wants to do through you, you're going to have cause to be bitter is the phrase I know, sorry, sorry, I was just thinking that if you get that as a word, you're like to have cause to be bitter.
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  Speaker 1: Is a phrase like I know, I'm just sorry, and it's just like thinking that, like, if you get that as a word, you're like uh, there, yes, there will be opportunities, yeah, those that, so there's an unpleasant there's almost like a foreshadowing of some unpleasant moments where you'll have well, like paul uh in the book of Ananias, came to him with a word.
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  Speaker 2: And as Ananias came to Paul to pray for him, the Lord had told Ananias I am going to show Paul what he'll need to suffer for the sake of my name.
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  Speaker 2: It was definitely one of those moments.
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  Speaker 1: I was like oh, I'm not sure if I like this part of this word, but nonetheless very, oh my soul.
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  Speaker 2: It has played out so many times Transformative.
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  Speaker 1: So much grace has been given, even just by honoring and transcribing that prophetic word and valuing it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like God's going to put you into these kinds of situations and you're going to find yourself amongst this type of leader, having some kind of voice and platform there, and that's happened.
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  Speaker 2: That has happened.
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  Speaker 2: So that was 25 years ago and it's played out.
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  Speaker 2: But she said along with that this is going to involve suffering, yeah, so you need to be ready to always surrender bitterness, always repent of it, right, because bitterness will take you out and your ministry out quicker than anything else, right Agreed.
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  Speaker 2: Quicker than anything else, right Agreed.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't believe I would have really been thinking that moving through the last couple of decades if it weren't for that word Right.
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  Speaker 2: But I've watched for it all the way along, like whatever I do, yeah, and you know I fall in different ways, a variety of ways, and I need to come and confess and repent and receive forgiveness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've always been on the lookout for bitterness to just get that right out of here.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, always bring that.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And then she also challenged me.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: Sorry, let me hold on to that thought.
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I just want to talk about just the bitterness.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: So when you write your book of your life story, I think people will.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: This isn't just about Because again knowing you for the last 30, whatever years.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I can say from outside, looking in, that that's been true for the last, for sure, for the last 20, 25 years, and this isn't just about where you are right now and dealing with the leaders that you're dealing with.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: This has been a marker, even through different leaders, different contexts, different contexts, different situations like difficult, situations like profoundly difficult situations and forgiveness was the only way Right.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: And so for sure, I just wanted to highlight that thing that that's actually been a word that has been with you literally for the last 20 years, not just about anything that may or may not have happened recently.
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: So just to throw that out there.
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Well, it would be fair to say, Also write your book.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: Well, interestingly, that was another part of the Word.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: In 2000 was this prophet saying to me have you done any writing?
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Yes, Am I saying?
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Well, a journal?
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and she said, okay, well, I just really see some writing coming for you and she said I don't know what format it's.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: And she said I don't know what format it's going to be in.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: This was before blogs.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: This was before what we're doing right now but it will be marked down and recorded and it will have something to do with the current move of God and it will be really important.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: So I encourage you to write just to do that do with the current move of God and it'll be really important.
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Wow, so I encourage you to write, you know, just to do that.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: So I am, that's a current, that's a current training ground for me, you know if anybody ever wondered why do things keep popping up as writing projects from Dan Lamas it's directly linked to that word, because even up to that point, I had been journaling for 10 years or whatever, but I had no sense that it was important other than just for me.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: But in that word was okay.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: I need to not let go of the idea of writing about.
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: Whatever it is God prompts me to write about, because it'll be important in some way with his move, like what he's doing in the world.
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: That's good, yeah, it's.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: So what do you like?
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that other thing that you were gonna say when I just said, hold on to that.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: No, it was about the writing.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay, okay, that's the thing, that's what's cracking me up about it.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, literally what I was going to say was I don't like.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: I love, I love to read and I, I do enjoy writing, but the reason I would try to produce something that other people would read is really because of that word.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: That's the reason, yeah.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: I would say that for sure as well.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I would agree that there's these overarching words that at the right time, like seem to be you know, like, I think I, I like to look at it.
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: So god knows, god knows for the end from the beginning and he knows you perfectly, and so if he gives something in advance and this is true of my life too I have, you know, similar, similar experiences where god's given me these words and in the moment, you may feel whatever you may feel, like, oh, that's awesome, thank you.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: You might feel like I'm not really sure what to do with that.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, but as time goes on and life goes on, there's been moments where I've had to simply just remind myself, maybe even make declarations as a point, of this intercession, like God.
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: You said these things yes is true, uh, and I'm going to press away from whatever the enemy circumstances might be saying or trying, yes, like trying to tell me yes, and I'm going to lean into what you said about me like you said this right, I can't.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: I can't remember the uh, you know this.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know if this is going to slide off into something, but you know, seven, eight years ago, just in a random moment and this is just the Lord, this was prophetic.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, everything you know from the Holy Spirit is prophetic.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: The Lord spoke very clearly and it's just in a random way and he just it caught me off guard and he said to my heart he said the days of your life are in my hands and I was like, okay, that's awesome, right, but what I didn't know is that there were seasons of my life, and maybe fears or whatever about what you know, when I was going to die.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: You know those kinds of things and you know hard to fully.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: I don't want to take too much time on this, but there were difficult seasons in my life where things were coming against me.
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: Yes, seasons in my life where things were coming against me.
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: Yes, mainly lies um in in in significant, like significant ways, like pressure, just swirling thoughts, those kinds of things.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Significant thoughts where, where I had to take that word yes, and I had to just stand on it and it didn't feel great.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: It wasn't like some cinematic whatever.
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: It was way more gritty than you know.
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you like that word.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: But it was just like I had to actually say, you know, in spite of everything going on in my head right now in spite of how I'm feeling, how I'm feeling in my body, how I'm feeling in my heart and what circumstances are telling me, I'm taking this word that I received from you and I'm using it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I'm using it as a word that's fighting against the darkness that's wanting to press in to my life, Right.
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Totally yeah.
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: It's like God.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: What I'm staring down does not look like what I think is supposed to look like.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: If the time of my life is in your hands.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, what I'm staring down.
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: It does not look at all like that right now.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Right, but because you said so, I'm going to walk forward on that, right, like I'm going to stand, and I'm going to walk forward because you said yeah, a huge endorsement and a huge benefit of prophetic ministry is the Lord letting you know in advance something that you need to receive this word Right, even if you don't know why, because he knows what's coming, yep, and he's preparing you for to stand your ground and to move forward when it doesn't look at all like the thing God said, Right totally.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: And yet he said it, so you believe it.
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: And I love I really do love that.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: And there's just beautiful signs along the way that God will give you.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: If you'll trust, if you'll trust the words that he brings to you, he will just, in beautiful ways, show you little signposts along the way that, yeah, that was a real conversation and that really was for you, and I am paying attention to your life and yeah to me, to me, uh, this is this right here is, I think, one of the reasons it's up there.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, it's probably top top four or five reasons why I have such a passion to build a healthy, prophetic culture right like so that these kinds of things can happen more right.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I know God's faithful, I also know that he's looking to his church to steward the body and encourage and equip the body in ways that he wants.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And so it's this tension of God's faithful, but yet, if we're not leaning in in a certain way, then we do miss out on blessing and the blessing of, we do miss out on the blessing of the prophetic, at least in greater measure, if we don't lean in and intentionally go after these things.
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: And so that's the part of like I'm like, oh, I would love it, just for the sake of like for what god wants to do and revealing his identity, like I, not his identity and our identity, yes, um, like in an environment where more of that happens.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: And now, granted, yeah, there's probably a little bit of extra mess that comes with, like, increased prophetic ministry, you know, because God loves to work through humans and humans are messy.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: But I think right here is like, these are tapping on, like, oh man, if we had just as the prophetic culture grows, and let me qualify as healthy prophetic culture grows, and let me qualify as healthy prophetic culture grows, it creates windows and opportunities for these kinds of things to happen in people's lives.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, and so you know, and, again, like people, you know, I guess the harsh reality is people do get discouraged, they do run away and hide.
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: There are things that are, you know, may be in the moment, lost and maybe things didn't have to go a certain way.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: But you know, I see that as like off.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: There were like prophetic people to come around that person and you know, maybe, maybe things could be, could have been different yeah, so I just yeah, that's one of the.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: That's one of the sort of like, the reasons of like.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, you know, this is a reason to like go after this a little bit more, for the sort of like, the reasons of like.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Okay, this is a reason to like go after this a little bit more for the sake of what God wants to do in the body of Christ and touch the world through people.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Anyway, yeah, you know.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: So Paul and Timothy, you know Paul was a kingdom dad to Timothy.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: He was a kingdom dad to Timothy.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: He was like a father to Timothy.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: You know, and I don't know if it's connected to the scripture you read out of 1 Timothy.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: I think it is, though, when Paul says For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but one of love, power and self-discipline, self-control.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I've heard many teachings and sermons and read articles over the years of.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: It seems that timothy needed to be reminded don't be timid.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: You know, like, like, if you so, maybe paraphrased, if you are drawn to timidity, whoever you are drawn to timidity, whoever you are, just remember that's not from God, right, like, god has given you a spirit of love, power and self-control.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: But it's a sign to me that God knew Timothy knows.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: Timothy knows what he needed to hear, and I'm thinking about what happens for people when they receive prophetic ministry.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: One of the important dynamics is that it's a reminder that God knows you.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, reminder that God knows you.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And, as you were sharing your heart there just a minute ago, I'm reminded of how relational prophetic ministry is.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's not that you're going to get new truth that nobody's ever heard before.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Right, it's the Holy Spirit who knows you, wants to show how much he knows you, yes, by speaking a word in a moment through somebody else.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: Yep, just sending the message to your heart I know you, I get you, I'm in love with you, yep, and I want this word to be a reminder to you that I know you.
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: In our North American church, we make a lot, a big deal out of knowing God, and appropriately so.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Knowing God is the most important thing, except it's part B of the most important thing.
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: Letting God know you is A Right Is opening up to the reality that God knows you.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Being known by God Right and then you knowing God in return, and of course, I think most people would say like God already knows my intimate details.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: But the twist on that is that you, for your part, surrendering to that reality, saying God, I'm opening the door to be known by you, yep Right.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: And it's that part that's critical.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that can either facilitate or be a barrier to your connection with the.
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Lord, Like I was aware that God knew me my whole life, but there was some point as a young man where I began to pay attention to what that was like to have God know me Like what does it feel like that God?
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: knows me.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: What does it?
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: What's it like being known by God?
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: It's not something that we just casually think about.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a, but it is an important dynamic here, right?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: But it is an important dynamic here, right, because Jesus says in the Gospel of Matthew Jesus is teaching about in the judgment.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: At the judgment seat, many will come to me and say we did all these things in your name, and he will say away from me, you evildoers, I never knew you.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: There's a dynamic to being known by jesus that really matters and agreed.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: So the the part of part of what, um, why prophetic words can be such a powerful weapon in doing battle with the dominion of darkness, is that they are signs that Jesus knows me.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: He knew what I needed to hear.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Then he knew this was coming.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: So I I feel very mighty in battle because I'm armed with the awareness.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: He knows me Right.
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: Like I'm grateful I know him.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, yeah, but I'm even more grateful he knows me Like I'm grateful I know him, of course, but I'm even more grateful he knows me Like, oh, I would be completely helpless, hopeless, in this moment if Jesus did not know me Right.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, things there is, like there's something about prophetic ministry, that and they.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: That unlocks this thing of of, uh, the things that we read about jesus in the bible that we hope would be true of his perspective, like it's the woman caught in adultery, like I don't condemn you, it's the weeping over Jesus and Lazarus.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's like the broken, like his compassion towards us, the way that he treated people, valued people.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: It's those kinds of things that we either read by word or in essence, right, Like we pick up how Jesus operated, the things that we read, that we hoped would be true.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: The prophetic word actually causes those things, speaks to our heart and convinces us that, yes, as we read Jesus in the word, so it is between Jesus and me.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: Yes, this is God's heart towards me, this is how he feels about me.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the language and I think you know the language sometimes changes because he knows how to talk to you.
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, he knows how to talk to me, he knows how to talk to everyone in a language that we would understand.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, and in that, but in that, the essence, right, the heart of who Jesus is like, it sounds like a prophetic word, right, a true prophetic word will sound like who we read Jesus in the you know the Gospels in the New Testament.
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: So it'll you know his voice will sound like that, and I think that's like part of the revelation.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Is that what we would have hoped Jesus would sound like because of what we read in the Scripture suddenly becomes loud and in your face right and there's an undoing way to that right and so.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: I would say that would certainly be my experience with receiving, and sometimes I'll get a word and I go oh, that's really great, thank you.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: And then there are times where it's like I don't even know it probably has more to do with me than anything, but it's like the right word at the right time, and things that I don't even know, that I'm worrying about, but yet I am.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: God comes and speaks to that.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: It's suddenly like this unbelievably profound experience.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh, yeah, anyway.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Life-giving.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, life-giving man.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: And so I think, gosh.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: I think I want to—.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Time is flying by.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, time is flying by.
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: Eternity happens when you're having fun, especially with the Lord Time is flying by.
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: Eternity happens when you're having fun, especially with the Lord.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: But I guess I think what I would like to do is, you know, because I think what I would like to talk about we won't talk about, because I think it will just be this whole other deal.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: But I don't know if there's any other moments in your life Like I would say for sure there have been like multiple moments in your you're in my life where we've had these words and so maybe talk about, uh, you know you're a journaler, I'm, uh, what would I call myself?
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: Uh, a struggling journaler, but but maybe, just, uh, maybe maybe help people with how to steward, discern that word, and so it's like okay, cause I think some people could go well, okay, so I don't even know.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: There was this moment I'm still in question about.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm still questioning about whether that was a word from the Lord or not, and that's a part of it, Like you know.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: First I think it's first Thessalonians, like 2021, where Paul says don't despise prophesying, but test everything and hold on to what is good.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: Right, there's a little bit of there, like okay, so you had those moments where, immediately, it was obvious that this was a word from God for you, specifically because of the accuracy.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe talk about, like you know, just talk about stewarding and testing and discerning Right.
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: What do you?
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: So we all most of us are never far away from our phone.
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: And so I make use of the voice memo all the time with my phone, like if I'm in a situation and I just get a gut feeling that I'm in a conversation and something's going to be shared right now.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: That may may contain a word for me, right, right, I'll just pull out my phone just like a modern day cassette.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: You know, and oftentimes the person knows I've got my phone and they can see it's not something.
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I'm doing it without people knowing it.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: They, they realize I'm recording it, but I'll just go ahead and record if they like.
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: If somebody says there's something, um, that I believe the lord has given me for you, yeah, and I get this gut sense that, hey, this is going to be extra important.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't try to just remember what they said, I just go ahead and record it for sure, sure.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: So, I just that's an easy thing Keep the voice memo on your phone readily available in moments where you might want to record that, because then that opens up the opportunity that later you can actually take the time on your computer or in your handwritten journal, whatever it is, to actually transcribe and yes, I mean mean word for word, what the person shared with you, because I have often found that, as I do, that the Lord will either say, hey, that was just their thought, that's not really something for you, or parts of it that were especially for me.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: But in the pausing, marking it down, having to rewind to get that thing, that process of transcribing it actually will reopen the conversation with God for me.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good, and then, of course, when you have it, then you can go back to it and and, uh, you know, is there anything you want me to do to live into?
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: this Is there anything you know, maybe a rule of life for a new habit or whatever that you want me to begin to embrace because of what you've said in this word.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, um, like, for instance, um.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: For for many, many, many years, I was praying into something specific in our region and then one day, a friend of ours uh, we were going to meet with him, uh, you and I a couple years ago and we sat down to start talking with him and this man is a prophet.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: And he said now, before we begin, dan, I've got a word the Lord has given me for you.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: So I pulled out my phone, started recording and it was really cool because he was talking about, you know, a person in history who was known for his preaching and teaching and writing, right, but he had a partner who was an intercessor, right, and he mentioned those two men by name.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: He said for many years you've been an intercessor, but I believe the Lord's going to begin giving you platforms, right, that you will actually, you will be saying publicly the things you've been praying into privately, and there'll be a new season where you will be like a combination of both the evangelist and the intercessor, the Finney Nash yeah, the Charles Finney and Daniel Nash yeah, those were the names.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, and in very interesting, subtle ways, because I received that in very intricate, interesting ways, that's begun to happen, Right.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: And I thought, ooh, that's really neat, but that was a, I recorded it, went home, transcribed it onto my computer and I went back to it often saying, God, I'm looking for that to happen in my life and I kept interceding.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: It helped me to keep interceding, but then I also.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: It made me less hesitant to accept invitations hey could you come and speak?
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Could you come and speak?
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Yes, Right, Definitely Right.
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: And so I think that one of the things when we talk about prophetic processing and maybe even receiving a prophetic, like we've talked about moments where we've heard God speak One of the things I want to do with people especially if it's new, because with new there's a lot of like, there's just I don't know, so there's just this little fear that just sort of lingers around that and that's whatever.
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: Like, I just think it's kind of natural for you to be like at least uh, uh hesitant about the things that you don't know right so, yeah, one of the one of the things I encourage people to do is just like, okay, just take breath.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Someone comes up to you and has a word just relax, right.
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just relax and feel empowered Like the other thing.
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: Again, I'm sure there's a whole lot we can unpack and that may continue over the next number of weeks or whatever.
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: But in receiving that, what God doesn't want to happen is for you to freak out and have a word produce fear in your life.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: That's right, or striving, or first striving, or feeling like yeah, 100% Right.
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: So one of those things is just encourage people to take a breath.
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: Just okay just record the word.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: You don't have to make any decisions about it in the moment.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Now, that's not, you know.
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: Again, like again, there's some moments where it's just powerful, it's obvious that God's in the room.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: But there's lots of times where you get, maybe receive, a word and you go.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Okay, I don't quite know what to do with this right now, but I'll take it and pray about it.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: But having people feel empowered to reserve judgment on this word that I'm getting, this is the part of the testing that I really believe Paul's talking about in 1 Thessalonians.
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: It's like I'm gonna take this, I'm gonna record it, I'm gonna be a good steward of the prophetic word or not, but we don't know yet, maybe.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: But that you feel empowered so that if and then trust the Lord with that, that, as you are, you know your day is going or your seasons pass, maybe years pass that you don't, that prophetic word doesn't become like a heavy burden to you.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Because that's actually not what the prophetic word is supposed to do.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to produce life in you.
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: It's supposed to produce love, hope, joy, peace, patience.
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: And I've learned that a little bit the hard way with you know.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: There's a word that I just wasn't sure what to do and I found that word producing, like you know.
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: Let me full disclosure.
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I've, like you know, had seasons where, like a word didn't produce any of those and I was still hanging on to it.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: And.
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: I had to fight to just reject that word?
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear you and I've talked.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: You know, I've talked people off ledges.
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: People have got some crazy wild words that have just produced anxiety.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: That's such a good piece of wisdom.
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Right, absolutely.
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: And so, again, maybe this is a whole other topic, but for sure, in a healthy prophetic culture, you feel empowered, yes, you feel empowered to receive, to accept, to reject a word because and again, there's a whole layer behind this because of the dispensation that we live in, we don't live in an old covenant where the prophet had to be.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: There was death to the prophet who missed it.
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: We don't live in an old covenant where the prophet had to be.
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: There was death to the prophet who missed it.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: We don't live in that dispensation anymore.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: We live in a new covenant where God's spirit is poured out on all flesh and you have the ability to hear as much as I have the ability to hear, and that right there is the like.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: The Holy Spirit lives in the heart of every believer.
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Therefore, as much as I can give you a prophetic word, you can discern with the Lord the truth or the veracity to use a big word of that word.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: And so I think, for me in this, I think that's a I'm glad you're highlighting that Right, because I think this is that freedom to delete a recording on my phone.
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I have deleted Right, Many Right Right even some immediately that felt important in the moment, yeah.
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: But as soon as I come away from the moment, I'm aware that either it wasn't for me, the Lord saying hey, that person really honors and likes and respects you a lot, and they were kind of gushing back there.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and that's a cool thing they said and they meant it sincerely, but that isn't really a word I have for you Right.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And I've been like okay, delete Right.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Because I think to me, if people felt empowered in whether to receive or reject a prophetic word with purity of heart, like just say in all humility, like I'm just doing my best here, right?
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: If a culture has, you know, both encourages people to take risks and also has a safety valve of like okay, you're not the only, like it's not all on you to give the word of the Lord.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: It's also in combination with a person's ability to hear the Lord for themselves and we often talk about that that, hey, the Lord's probably already speaking to you about certain things, and so that's actually sometimes a clue whether to not receive.
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: I would say yeah.
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: I would say, in general, I haven't really thought about this a lot.
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: I would say, yeah, I would say, in general, I haven't really thought about this a lot, but I think, in general, any word that I feel like has some real substance to it for me and I'm likely to take some action on it of some sort.
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I'll usually share that with you, right.
• 59:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, or I'll share it with two or three other brothers so wise.
• 59:49
  Speaker 2: Share it with my wife before, um, before I take action.
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, because I want a little bit of my trusted community to say, yeah, like that's, that's pretty close, but I don't know.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: Like yeah yeah, you know, just take your time with that one like for sure, and if I get that kind of reaction Right, especially like someone like your wife or people that are closer friends or whatever, that they would know sort of who you are, what you're about, yeah, and if something feels like a left turn somewhere, then really this may not disqualify or maybe discredit the word, but it will at least cause you to ask the appropriate questions.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and it can help me handle it more wisely.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: I've had a set of prophetic words come together to make a complete message, Right that my you know, you and a few Pastor Brent and a few others that I share with you've given me some perspective on a word to say, yeah, there's some stuff in there for you, but I'm not sure that whole word is accurate, Right, and then I'll be okay, I'm going to listen to that, and then maybe another word will come two weeks later that attaches to that word.
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: The other word, Say oh okay, so these are some pieces Helps color it in a little bit and I'm like okay, that really fits who I am, so the community part is helpful too.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Having good godly counsel from leaders or friends who just love Jesus and they want to just will help you and pray for you.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: That's another Like stewarding.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Like how do we steward slash, test the word?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: Part of it is sharing it with trusted wives counsel.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: There's such wisdom in reaching out to the people around you and just saying what do you think?
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: And again, for our part, just here at the church, we do that a lot.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: As much as we want to give words and create a space for where God speaks through people, we also have a lot of times of, hey, I had a dream, what do you think?
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Or this person said this to me how's that?
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: You know how's that hit?
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: We want that to happen, because those kinds of things happen in a healthy, prophetic culture yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: So, um, just, I don't know, I don't know how you want to.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe you should pray for us somehow yeah, I don't know how you want to.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe you should pray for us somehow.
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't quite know.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: We've been, we've covered a lot of territory.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: How about if I pray acknowledging that we do live in the time when the Holy Spirit's been poured out?
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and every one of us can hear God.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe I'll pray for God appointments for those who are listening that they will have some moments really like in the next few days maybe after listening to this where, hey, that was a moment where God highlighted something that's the truth, but that's for me, and it's an opportunity for me to steward a word.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: That's so good.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Oh God, we're so grateful that you're right here in the midst of our conversation and we just are so grateful for you, god.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: I do acknowledge and appreciate that we live in a time when the Holy Spirit has been poured out on all flesh and that we all may prophesy.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Thank you for this, god.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: And so I bless my brothers and sisters who are listening right now to say, yes, they can hear your voice, they've been designed to, and I ask God, over the next few days, would you grant them a moment where you highlight the truth in a way that they recognize it's for them.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: Bring someone along with a word.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: That would be a partnership, somebody taking the risk to share the word, them hearing it and saying, oh, that's a moment for me to mark down, and that you would bless them with an opportunity to steward the prophetic word in a way that really would impact for the years to come.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, amen, and we pray this in Jesus' name Amen, amen.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: Well, that's a wrap on this episode.
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: It's been a privilege to have you as an honored guest.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: As we all learn to hear God better, If your time with us has been encouraging and you think this conversation will be helpful to others, we would love it if you could share this podcast with the people around you.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: Until next time.