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The Russian Sleep Experiment · INSPIRE STORY

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  Speaker 1: Welcome back to another episode of creep Cast.
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  Speaker 2: Let's Go Baby, Episode three, Let's get it.
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  Speaker 1: Episode three. So it seems like we are we were
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  talking about doing Barron. Do you pronounce it Beroscis or I've.
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  Speaker 2: Always pronounced it Brosco. But I have no idea if
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  that's correct or not.
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  Speaker 1: Only yeah, we we could be completely wrong here, but
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  we were we're gonna do that one. But it's a
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  bit of a long one. So I think that we're
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  gonna wait to get all of the holiday rigmarole out
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  of the way with visiting people and you know, back
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  to back holidays, all that jazz. So I think we're
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  gonna say Barrosca for the New Year, and we'll probably
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  break it up into two parts since that's a bit
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  of a longer one. But I to me, I was like,
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  you know, episode three, what's a great way to end
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  the year. And it's on another classic in my opinion,
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  which is the Russian Sleep Experiment. You know, I feel
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  like that, I honestly am wondering if this is the
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  first creepy pasta that I ever read or saw. I
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  want to say that it is.
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  Speaker 2: It's one of like the ogs I remember. I don't
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  know if it was the first one. Honestly, Jeff the
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  Killer might have been the first one I read that
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  or something like Laughing Jack, but like the Russian Sleep
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  Experiment had to be the first ten I ever read, right, Like,
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  it's one of the earliest creepy bosses out there, and
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  it's definitely one of the ones that's most well remembered
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  because I don't remember that much before we get into it.
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  I don't remember that much around like specific story beats,
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  but I remember the ending, and I remember obviously the
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  image that got associated with it. So it had things
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  that worked for me, that things that like, I liked
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  that even looking back on them, like, yeah, that was
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  well done. I'm not as what's the word pessimistic going
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  into this as that was Jeff the Killer. No, but
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  I'm also I'm a little worried. I don't I don't
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  remember a lot of the bones of this story.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see, yeah, and I guess to to all, Well,
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  here's the thing. This this is a short enough story
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  to where me and Wendy we were like, you know,
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  why don't we just read it? It's not that long.
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  I feel like people we've been getting more and more
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  feedback that people like when we read this stuff, so
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  I figured why not. I will say, I am not
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  as pessimistic as Jeff the Killer, like you are going
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  into it as well, like I think we're on the
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  same boat there, but I do think that there is
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  there's definitely gonna be a level of cheese and anks,
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  like I think it's it's if I remember right that
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  that the ending is chock full of like some joker
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  level energy like lines whatever that I that I fuck with.
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  I think that, like even from a personal level, I
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  think that like that has even translated into my work.
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  I like really cheesy, grandiose, almost like theater driven dialogue.
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  You know, regardless if you think that this is the
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  problem is when people write it, they feel like Shakespeare
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  when really it looks like it's it should be a
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  line on the side of a monster energy drink can.
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  That's the kind of that's the juxtaposition that's happening. And
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  I guess before we get into it as well, well,
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  here's the thing too, Like you were saying that the
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  imagery stuck with you, that the uh what is it
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  that that it tied in into some really good ways
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  to me When I first read this. I'm almost positive,
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  I well, one percent I thought it was real. Because
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  what I love about this is that it does I mean, like,
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  you know, it bridges into the fantastical like in a way,
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  but really it feels like any other fucked up war
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  crime that would happen. Yeah, and especially Russia, Like okay.
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  Speaker 2: Like, sure, the things it gets to are fantastical, but
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  the actual premise of where it starts, You're like, yeah,
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  I could easily see this happening at like a labor
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  camp that's being used by scientists or something like it.
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  It is a much less far out there premise than
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  a lot of these other stories start with. And for that,
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  I don't know if I thought it was real per se,
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  but I remember as a kid thinking this could be
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  real until it gets to, you know, where the story
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  does in the end. So it's already it's already tapering
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  itself in a way most creepy pastas did it, you know,
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  like it's it's reeling itself back a bit. So Yeah,
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  like I said, I'm kind of nervous to see where
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  how it goes from here, but we'll find out.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, just the idea that like this is,
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  I mean, this has to be one of the first
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  creep apasta and I speaking completely out of ignorance, totally
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  out of my ass here, but it has to be
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  one of the first ones that has based itself around
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  trying to be something that is very like because for
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  people that don't know this, this whole thing is that
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  it's supposed to be a Russian sleep test done on
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  like Russian military. I don't know if their participants, we'd
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  have to find in the story, but the idea, I
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  guess if.
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  Speaker 2: I remember, it's political prisoners.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so they're political prisoners, but essentially it's in the
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  Russia in the forties, which you know, World War two
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  by this time, which also it's all through gas therapy
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  or like some kind of gas treatment, which is more
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  of a World War two kind of like early nineteen hundreds,
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  like nineteen eighteen, you know, World War One kind of vibe,
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  but still the forties, you it has this like this,
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  this kind of atmosphere to it that can you can
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  have some kind of realism just because talk about stupid
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  fucking American all right. When I see a picture of
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  just some old timey gas masks and they're black and white,
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  I'm like, this is real and this happened.
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  Speaker 2: I can't look, they're wearing the masks. How could this be.
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  Speaker 1: Wearing the mask? All right? And also the you know,
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  as it gets on, it's more and more obvious. Okay,
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  we're like, okay, well now we're good. This is we're
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  getting a little crazy. Sure, but even the image that
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  got associated with the Russian sleep experiment and like all
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  the eyeicronography that's with it, because you know which, I
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  have a little thing where our source that we're using
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  today is creepyposta dot com, all right, which is I mean,
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  can you get any better? I don't know. I doubt it.
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  They had something interesting here for the origin of the
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  story that thought was kind of interesting that plays into
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  a bunch of different things. Which this is all well
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  quoted from creepypasta dot com, so don't yell at me.
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  But they say that there is some disagreement as to
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  where the story first originated. Whilst some sources claim that
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  the tail's first appearance can be linked back to a
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  user known as only as Orange Soda, who posted the
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  story to creepypasta website on August tenth, twenty ten, others
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  trace its origin to an August eighth, two thousand and nine,
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  posts on the RIP seven four to seven WordPress blog,
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  pointing out that the story was also posted to the
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  miscellaneous board of a bodybuilding form by user named falcon
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  Punch on August twentieth, two thousand and nine, which would
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  again predate Orange Sodas post on creepypasta, which this was
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  funny when I read this, because the amount of heinous
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  shit to come out of bodybuilding forums in the early
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  two thousands was unbelievable. I don't know why it had
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  the Internet culture and like all kinds of weird shit
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  had to happen on bodybuilding forums. But anytime I go
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  anytime I do, like we deep dives, Like there's this
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  great YouTube channel called Danknet. Any time that it's like
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  an interesting figure that started like I don't know, like
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  a military cult or like a guy who thinks that,
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  you know, he can bench press six thousand pounds or something,
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  It always starts on a bodybuilding for him somehow, it does. Yeah,
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  it does. So we don't really know. I mean, like,
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  you know, it goes back and forth with people saying that,
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  you know. The original Creeppasta was written by a British
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  author named Ice, but we don't really know, so essentially
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  the story could have been posted it. It's basically said
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  that it is started from two thousand nine twenty ten,
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  which I remember correctly is still a little later than Jeff,
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  later than Jeff's The Killer, but still up there. But
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  I think that this grew in popularity when it went
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  on the mister Creepypasta channel on YouTube in twenty.
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  Speaker 2: Eleven, where I saw it for the first.
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  Speaker 1: Thing exactly, which is which is where people also speculate
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  that the like that where the imagery got tied in
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  like that that you know, the the infamous fixture and
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  stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: The one of the guy like in a straight jacket
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  on the ground, he's got the big teeth in the eyes,
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  which it turns out that's actually like a Halloween prop. Yes,
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  the image is edited to make it look like it's
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  some old timey photo, but yeah, like I said as
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  a kid, that worked. Even now looking back on it,
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  I'm like, that's that's a creepy photo. That's a cool,
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  great thing to say that, like what these people got
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  to by the end of an experiment. I think it
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  still holds up even if I do know now it's
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  just a Halloween prop.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, I mean and that's the thing too that
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  I'm finding with more and more of these creepy pastas.
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  What I like about all these early creepypastas is you
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  didn't have to. It was like we're getting into like
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  a really vague bigfoot territory where it's like, I don't
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  need a great video, I just want a solid photo
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  that I can like, I can, I can grab hold
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  of and yeah, this is this is who, this is
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  my identity. And that's what all these creepypastas had. They
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  had just one solid photo to carry the short story
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  that they had, which is great, which you know, I
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  love that. I love that it's just one solid little thing,
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  usually some kind of obscure, weird photo that can just
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  like immediately put someone in this situation where they're like,
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  oh this is amazing. I'm fucking horrified. So yeah, you know,
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  it's truly great. But without further ado, why don't we
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  start reading how about the Russians?
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  Speaker 2: Let's see what it's got in store?
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  Speaker 1: So we begin with Russian? Oh my god, we don't
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  begin with that, you bet? Yikes? I can't I your
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  voice actor, by god, act like I know but I'm
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  a I'm a dyslexic voice actor. Why it's improvised, all right.
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  I can't read scripts as they were.
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  Speaker 2: I can voice act as long as someone says it
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  to me first.
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  Speaker 1: I can't the nice Yeah, that's that's a nice thing
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  that you got. Just like a little chameleon. You're able
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  to copy stuff, all right. Russian researchers in the late
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  nineteen forties kept five people awake for fifteen days using
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  an experimental gas called or you think got an experimental
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  gas based stimulant. They were kept in a sealed environment
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  to carefully monitor their oxygen intake so the gas didn't
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  kill them since it was toxic and high concentrations. This
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  was before close circuit cameras are well, sorry, this was
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  before close circuit cameras, so they had only microphones and
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  five inch thick glass porthole sized windows into the chamber
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  to monitor them. The chamber was stocked with books, cots
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  to sleep on, but no betting, running water, and a toilet.
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  Had enough dried food to last all five for over
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  a month. So already, let me tell you something. You know,
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  yesterday was a nice, big holiday. I sat there and
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  I stayed up far too late. So I'm already you know,
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  I'm feeling the repercussions of being kind of sleepy today.
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  The idea of having to just like keeps like, having
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  to stay awake for more, especially at this age, dude,
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  you know, unbelievable, trying to stay awake for that long day.
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  This is hell, this would be legitimate. Hell. Now I
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  don't know, Okay, Yeah, so the next the next deal,
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  the next line is literally the test subjects were political
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  prisoners deemed enemies of the state during World War Two?
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  Which which what which country do you think they're from?
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  Speaker 2: I would guess German because it's saying that it's like
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  political prisoners, or it could also be like Russian, you know,
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  leaders who like to send it against the state. But
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  I mean I would probably say German prisoners, right, because
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  that's who Russia would have.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but what do you think, Well, I mean, I
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  think you're completely correct. It's just it's a bummer. It's
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  it's a bummer, isn't it, Because now it's like, well
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  now they're a little more or less sympathetic. Right now,
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  I don't really give it.
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  Speaker 2: Now you can just leave it away, see what happens. Yeah,
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  I will say, like, hearing you read that first part,
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  my hopes did perk up a bit because thinking about that,
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  I forgot the detail that the purpose of the experiment
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  was to test a stimulant, and that actually kind of
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  tracks with potential like real world history. Oh, because during
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  World War Two, it's a known fact now that like
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  German soldiers in like the Blitz Creek and stuff, or
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  in Blitz Creek formations were given like methamphetamine so that
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  they could stay awake for like more than twenty four
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  hours at a time before the reinforcements replaced them. So
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  the Germans were using all these stimulants to get things
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  done in the battlefield. So now it's like, oh, here's
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  the Russians making a gas based stimulant and just using
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  human prisoners from the war to test it. Like everything
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  so far is incredibly valid as far as like potential.
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  Speaker 1: Tracks history exactly, it tracks with historical stuff that's going
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  on already. I mean, there's no I mean, think about
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  all the movies so far too that have had people
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  from World War Two trying to create like super soldiers
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  and all kinds of weird experiments and stuff that they
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  have did on their own. People or whatever back then
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  to where even if it is skewed from the truth
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  a bit in media, we have been told this since
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  I mean, God, like, the first thing I can think
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  of is Indiana Jones and the Raiders, Lost arc whatever.
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  The Nazis always looking for some kind of like superpower
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  or whatever. Yeah, you know what I mean. So it's
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  like it does that. It immediately like you're saying, I
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  like the idea that it's playing with, the idea that
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  it is messing with your understanding of what is historical
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  and also what is like things in media that you've
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  been told that you might have just believed because you
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  were young, right, Yeah, Like if I was young and
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  I saw Indiana Jones, I'd probably be like, Okay, so
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  the Nazis are trying to find buried gold that's going
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  to turn them invisible and gods into the gods or whatever. Sure,
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  Like I mean, I would be like, okay, yeah that
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  makes sense, you know whatever. So I do like that. Yeah,
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  it to that very well.
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  Speaker 2: I think works. And also like even the text stuff
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  where it says like, well, CCTV didn't exist at the time,
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  so they have portholes in microphones, and it's like, yes,
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  this is the technology that they would have a.
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  Speaker 1: Little little pieces of you know, you know what.
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  Speaker 2: I'm feeling a bit better after that first paragraph.
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  Speaker 1: One paragraph in cause we're already in.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, because I'm in, I'm back in. We're we were
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  it was over, but now we're back.
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  Speaker 1: We're so back, like we're so so bad.
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  Speaker 2: We're so so back because like in my head, I'm thinking, Okay,
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  was the Russian sleep experiment? Were they like trying to
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  conjure it? Because I haven't read this in so long.
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  Were they trying to conjure demons? Or were they trying
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  to make some super you know, monster man? But no,
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  they were trying to test a stimulant, and that Okay,
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  I'm interested. All right, hold on, let me take this
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  next paragraph. We'll see, we'll see if this dips off
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  or when it lives off, but we'll keep going. I'm
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  good for now, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean the idea too, which I was going
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  to make a note to talk about this later as well.
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  But I also like how they just say stimulant. Yeah,
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  a lot of good storytelling with this kind of stuff.
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  Not You don't want to keep everything so ambiguous that
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  you lose the faith of the reader by like, because
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  if you keep things too ambiguous too early, a thing
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  happens where a reader's just like, I don't even think
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  the author knows what he's talking about. Yeah, I have
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  no faith in you. But did just say a stimulant?
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  You know? I mean that you can run, You can
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  have your mind run with that. So I like the
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  idea that's just like, it's just a stimulant. We're not
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  gonna go enot to like bog down the fucking story
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  with what exactly it is. But I digress.
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  Speaker 2: It makes sense, It makes sense for everything that's happened.
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  So from there, so that next paragraph says everything was
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  fine for the first five days, the subjects excuse me.
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  The subjects hardly complained, having been promised falsely that they
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  would be freed if they submitted to the test and
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  did not sleep for thirty days. Their conversations and activities
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  were monitored, and it was noted that they continued to
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  talk about increasingly traumatic incidents in their past, and the
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  general tone of their conversations took a darker aspect after
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  the four day mark.
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  Speaker 1: That would have been me. Three hours into this experiment,
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  I would have immediately been talking about out how you
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  know life is meaningless? I would have immediately gone into
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  nihilism without a cat nap. You find me without a
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  cat nap, I will be just talking about all the
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  dark things in my life. That's definitely. But yeah, how
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  cruel is this? I mean, this is this is some
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  next little torture. They're saying that it's an experiment, but
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  this feels like torture. You're gonna stay up for as
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  long as you can. What's when is the first time
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  you ever saw someone die in person? It's like, good god, dude,
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  just let me get go ahead, just sit here, like
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  my god.
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  Speaker 2: And that's four days in. That's four days in.
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  Speaker 1: Four days, which they said it's a fifteen day trial, right,
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  thirty thirty day, thirty day trial, full month, Okay, four
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  days in and this is already happening, no thank you.
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  Speaker 2: So then it continues from the oh, go ahead, go ahead.
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  Speaker 1: So as I say, And then it continues to After
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  five days, they started to complain about the circumstances and
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  events that led them to where they were, and started
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  to demonstrate severe paranoia. They stopped talking to each other
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  and began alternately whispering to the microphones and one way
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  mirrored portholes. Oddly, they all seem to think that they
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  could win the trust of the experimenters by turning over
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  their comrades other subjects in captivity with them at the first.
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  At first, the researchers suspected this was an effect of
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  the gas itself. I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
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  Speaker 1: I probably just want to get out of there. Yea,
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  you know what I mean. I mean, go on.
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  Speaker 2: That's fascinating though, that like they were previously like oas
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  us versus them, and now they're beginning to dissent after
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  just the five day mark. I'll continue off of that
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  in the next paragraph that says hmm. After nine days,
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  the first of them started screaming. He ran the length
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  of the chamber, repeatedly yelling at the top of his
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  lungs for three hours straight. He continued attempting to scream,
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  but was only able to produce occasional squeaks. The researchers
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  postulated that he had physically torn his vocal chords. The
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  most surprising thing about this behavior is how the other
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  captives reacted to it, or rather didn't react to it.
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  They continued whispering to the microphones until the second of
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  the captives started to scream. The two non screaming captives
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  took the books apart, smeared page after page with their
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  own feces, and paste them calmly over the glass portholes
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  the screaming. The screaming promptly stopped, so did the whispering
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  to the microphones. Okay, you know what we are so
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  so back, I forgot about it. That's dope, that's so cool. Okay,
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  So like they're they're begin to lose their mind, and
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  a couple of them are snapping, and those that haven't snapped.
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  It's sure they're using crude implements, you know, books and
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  feces to cover up the portholes, but there is a
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  there's a deliberation to what they're doing. There's some greater plan,
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  and it makes it seem like they're all in on
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  it in some like ethereal sense, because as soon as
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  the researchers can't see what's going on in there anymore,
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  the screaming stops, the whispering stops, and it's it's so
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  it's like, what's got a hold of these people? It's
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  so good. I like it.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I like it well, I think there's also this from
• 20:07
  another angle too, the juxtaposition of a man like the
• 20:11
  the uncomfortable and like haunting nature of a guy screaming
• 20:15
  until his vocal cords get completely snapped and fried and
• 20:18
  he's still doing it is painful. But then you also
• 20:20
  have the other people who are sitting there whispering, So
• 20:24
  it's like you have this juxtaposition between people who are
• 20:27
  this guy who's screaming and then people who are whispering.
• 20:30
  And like you said, sure, there it's a little it's
• 20:34
  a little uh like over heightened with them tearing the
• 20:38
  pages off and rubbing their asses with it and putting
• 20:40
  it up, But I think that does a good job
• 20:42
  by it has a purpose of them then putting it
• 20:46
  up on the window and then now all is quiet.
• 20:48
  Like it's just a very very simple setup, very simple scene.
• 20:53
  But honestly it's it's very nice.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: They all share a consciousness now, which will you kind
• 20:58
  of gets touch on later in the story, I remember,
• 21:00
  but it's like they all are in a unison about
• 21:03
  what they're doing. So they're taking deliberate moves to enact
• 21:06
  whatever this planet is being quiet, covering up the windows
• 21:08
  et cetera.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: It's well, it's also very animalistic, like, yeah, the idea
• 21:14
  that like it's almost as if they're trying to bait
• 21:17
  a response, like it feels like a dying animal, like
• 21:20
  screaming and all this kind of things. And then once
• 21:23
  they like kind of complete their ritual or they're like
• 21:25
  you know, them sealing up so that people can't look in,
• 21:29
  then they are being more truthful. Or by truthful, I guess,
• 21:32
  I mean they go quiet like they're they're achieving something.
• 21:37
  So it's just like it seems like it's mass hysteria.
• 21:41
  It seems like it's these people are going insane, but
• 21:43
  there's still a level of calculated chaos that's happening. That's
• 21:47
  very intriguing. Yeah, but yeah, to continue on. After three
• 21:52
  more days past, the researchers checked the microphones hourly to
• 21:55
  make sure they were working, since they thought impossible that
• 21:58
  no sound could be coming with five people inside. The
• 22:02
  oxygen consumption in the chamber indicated that all five must
• 22:05
  still be alive. In fact, it was the amount of
• 22:07
  oxygen five people would consume at a very heavy level
• 22:10
  of strenuous exercise. On the morning of the fourteenth day,
• 22:14
  the researchers did something they said they would not do
• 22:17
  to get a reaction from the captives. They used the
• 22:20
  intercomments side the chamber, hoping to provoke any response from
• 22:23
  the captives they were afraid were either dead or vegetables.
• 22:28
  They announced, we are opening the chamber to test the microphones.
• 22:32
  Step away from the door and lie flat on the floor,
• 22:35
  or you will be shot. Compliance will earn one of
• 22:38
  you your immediate freedom. To their surprise, they heard a
• 22:41
  single phrase and a calm voice response, we no longer
• 22:44
  want to be freed, which I remember that. That's come
• 22:48
  back to me now. Yeah, that's good.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: That's still good. That still works. I remember that being good,
• 22:52
  and it's still good.
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: So, you know, these researchers they have because, like otherwise,
• 22:59
  the experiments to see what happens on their own without
• 23:01
  outside intervention, after being awake for thirty days, and now
• 23:06
  because the whole time these people are in there whispering
• 23:08
  to the portholes and talking, they're not getting any response,
• 23:11
  there's no human input. So now they're giving human inputs,
• 23:14
  try to figure out what's going on inside there. And
• 23:16
  they respond, we no longer want to be freed. Terrifying,
• 23:20
  so that they've become something else. They becomes something that's
• 23:24
  no longer interested in getting out. They're no longer political
• 23:27
  prisoners or members of an army or a war. There's
• 23:29
  something beyond. Yeah, this still works, it's still cool. It
• 23:34
  may get lame in a bit, as a matter of fact,
• 23:36
  it probably will, but right now I'm in. I'm still
• 23:38
  into it. This is great.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: I am too. This we're branching into, like even though
• 23:43
  we no longer want to be freed, lined while creepy,
• 23:46
  like I said, we're getting into We're getting into, we're
• 23:49
  getting into monster energy can levels of territory here, we
• 23:54
  no longer want to be free. It's creepy, and I
• 23:58
  like the setup. But it's cheesy, but I like that.
• 24:01
  I don't think it needs to be anything too crazy
• 24:04
  and serious. So I enjoyed that now as it just
• 24:09
  tell me if I'm wrong here, so are they. It's
• 24:14
  continuous gas being pumped into the room, correct, like they're
• 24:18
  never said, is.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Being monitored so that it doesn't become toxic. But yes,
• 24:23
  there is gas.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: So it is okay, Yeah, yeah, sure, okay, So that
• 24:28
  I like that. I like that. I like that aspect
• 24:32
  I'm glad that that's that's what's happening. I just wanted
• 24:34
  to make sure, Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: All right. So from there it says, after they hear
• 24:39
  the line, we no longer want to be freed. Debate
• 24:41
  broke out among the researchers and the military forces funding
• 24:45
  the research. Unable to provoke any more response using the intercom,
• 24:49
  it was finally decided to open the chamber at midnight
• 24:52
  on the fifteenth day. The chamber was flushed up the
• 24:55
  stimulant gas and filled with fresh air, and immediately voices
• 24:59
  from them microphones began to object. Three different voices began begging,
• 25:04
  as if pleading for the life of loved ones, to
• 25:07
  turn the gas back on. The chamber was opened and
• 25:10
  soldiers sent in to retrieve the test subjects. They began
• 25:14
  to scream louder than ever, and so did the soldiers
• 25:17
  when they saw what was inside. Four of the five
• 25:20
  subjects were still alive, although no one could rightly call
• 25:23
  the state that any of them in called the state Yeah,
• 25:28
  it's a typo. Sorry, No one could rightly call the
• 25:31
  state that any of them were in. Life. The food
• 25:34
  rations past day five had not been so much as touched.
• 25:38
  There were chunks of meat from the dead test subjects
• 25:41
  thighs and chests stuffed into the drain in the center
• 25:45
  of the chamber, blocking the drain and allowing four inches
• 25:48
  of water to accumulate on the floor. Precisely how much
• 25:52
  of the water on the floor was actually blood was
• 25:54
  never determined. All four surviving test subjects also had a
• 25:59
  large portion of muscle and skin torn away from their bodies.
• 26:03
  The destruction of flesh and exposed bone on their fingertips
• 26:07
  indicated that the wounds were inflicted by hand, not with teeth,
• 26:11
  as the researchers initially thought. Closer examination of the position
• 26:15
  and angles of the wounds indicated that most, if not all,
• 26:18
  of them were self inflicted. So already, before we get
• 26:22
  into the more intense details, these people have plugged up
• 26:26
  the drains to not allow anything to leave the room,
• 26:28
  more than likely to keep the gas in as high
• 26:31
  concentrations in the room as possible. And they're ripping out
• 26:34
  pieces of their own skin. They've already killed one guy
• 26:36
  and used his skin to clog up the drains. They've
• 26:39
  become like these starved animals, just tearing apart flesh.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they clog the drain to with muscle
• 26:51
  and skin and stuff like that. As Yeah, there's a
• 26:53
  thin layer of liquid on the floor that you can't
• 26:57
  tell how much of it's water, how much of it
• 26:59
  is blood, which also leads you to belief too, like
• 27:02
  how much of it's pissed, how much of it is
• 27:03
  like bodily fluid that they've just been like putting on
• 27:06
  the floor. It's getting extremely animalistic. I mean even some
• 27:09
  of the descriptions here it sounds like, I mean like
• 27:12
  an ape attack or like a chimpainzee attack or something
• 27:15
  like that. They're like they they're de evolving mentally and
• 27:19
  they're like now screaming and pleading to not let the
• 27:22
  nice air in, which uh you know, I mean, at
• 27:26
  this point, it's got to be reminiscent of like some
• 27:28
  kind of smoking bar or something like that in New York.
• 27:31
  It's got to be someplace where the hipsters go to
• 27:33
  smoke their European cigarettes. And you know, whenever someone like
• 27:37
  lets the door open, they say clouds.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: That's what comes to your mind when you hear this,
• 27:41
  when you hear skin and flesh and belief.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, no, not Europeans. I think if five
• 27:51
  four hipsters and Hoboken, New York sitting there and they're
• 27:55
  they're they're they're opening or New Jersey, where the fuck
• 27:57
  Hoboken is and they're sitting there and they're just like
• 28:00
  they shit the doi and that and all the good
• 28:02
  smoke out is what they say. Because I've been to
• 28:04
  some of those places, let me tell you. And it's
• 28:08
  it's it's it's its own little gas chamber, let me
• 28:10
  tell you. And it is not a fun place to be.
• 28:12
  There's always one pool table, and there's always two people
• 28:15
  that don't know how to play pool on the pool.
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter, just as bad, just as bad.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I hate to say it, I really I don't want
• 28:23
  to be this kind of guy, but I do feel
• 28:25
  like it is just as bad. That's just me though,
• 28:27
  all right. People might have their own experiences. But to
• 28:31
  get a little more description of the you know, of
• 28:34
  the gore, the gruesome nature. If that's happening, I'll continue
• 28:38
  reading the adominal organs Below. The rib cage of all
• 28:41
  four tests subjects had been removed well. The heart, lungs,
• 28:45
  and diaphragm remained in place. The skin and most of
• 28:47
  the muscles attached to the ribs had been ripped off,
• 28:50
  exposing the lungs through the rib cage. All the blood,
• 28:53
  vessels and organs remained intact. They had just been taken
• 28:56
  out and laid on the floor, fanning out around the
• 28:59
  vision serrated great word, fanning out around the eviscerated but
• 29:03
  still living bodies of the subjects. The digestive tract of
• 29:06
  all four could be seen to be working digesting food.
• 29:10
  It quickly became apparent that what they were digesting was
• 29:14
  their own flesh that they had ripped off and eaten
• 29:16
  over the course of days.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, so for one, this paragraph is very brutal, very graphic.
• 29:25
  It technically technically is not one hundred percent out of
• 29:30
  realm of reality, because there are like you know, with surgeries,
• 29:34
  like they'll take your organs out and lay them on
• 29:36
  the table, sure right, still attached to you, still working
• 29:40
  as they operate on other things. So technically it could exist. However,
• 29:44
  this is the paragraph that brings the story into more fantastical,
• 29:48
  which should be clear. It's fine, it's fine, like if
• 29:50
  you want to tell a supernatural story or you know
• 29:53
  out there story, which is where this goes, that's cool.
• 29:55
  But for me, this is the paragraph where it leaves
• 29:58
  like alternate history into like you know, the unfiction zombie
• 30:03
  zombie world basically yeah, which again totally fine, you can
• 30:06
  still do cool stories with it. But I think this
• 30:08
  was the paragraph and from here on out that as
• 30:12
  a kid, I went from like is this real to like,
• 30:15
  oh no, it's just it's just in a setting that
• 30:17
  could be real, which is fine, it's cool for.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Well for a lot of people too. I think what
• 30:22
  you're describing is like, once you leave that realm of reality,
• 30:26
  it's very hard for people to stay invested as like
• 30:29
  something that you're like, oh my god, what is this?
• 30:31
  You know, yeah, it's something that remains more horrifying, which,
• 30:34
  to be fair, like you're saying it's still fun, it's
• 30:37
  still fine, but I do I do agree. I think
• 30:39
  that this is a part where we're leaving, we're leaving
• 30:42
  the reality train and now it's like now we're just
• 30:45
  having fun versus actually being super scary, which like for.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Me, I love, I love obviously supernatural stories where stuff
• 30:52
  it's the most of what I read, what I intake
• 30:54
  you know, fiction horror. Right, So like I'm still on board,
• 30:58
  but I understand this could be a point a lot
• 31:00
  of people who were otherwise on border like okay, you know,
• 31:03
  and they.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're I mean, it's it's entering schlock. I mean
• 31:08
  with how grotesque and how descriptive it is. It's getting
• 31:12
  into the fantastical, and it's getting into i mean just
• 31:16
  some like cheese. It's like it's like a B horror
• 31:18
  film now, you know, I mean the digestive tract of
• 31:21
  all four could be seen working digesting food. And not
• 31:24
  only is it the food, but it's like their own skin.
• 31:26
  That's awesome. That's like, that's brutal and fun in all
• 31:31
  the right ways. But it is, you know, it's a
• 31:34
  step of like it's it's it's a step between a
• 31:37
  man in a business suit and like a chocolate factory owner.
• 31:44
  Like you have a guy in a purple suit and
• 31:45
  you're like, oh does he work you know that Chase Bank?
• 31:48
  And then now he has a top hat and now
• 31:50
  he owns a chocolate That's that's the step that we
• 31:52
  just took.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: All right, I see what's happening. It's a different world
• 31:55
  for dealing and.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, but I mean said very cool.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: The idea that they like laid out their organs and
• 32:01
  we're eating themselves. That's awesome, that's dope.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: It's the best part of every zombie film, you know.
• 32:06
  I mean like it feels like something that would be
• 32:08
  in like twenty eight days Later or something. These are
• 32:11
  the parts of the zombie films where exactly it's the
• 32:14
  fun body horror aspect of a zombie film that you're
• 32:16
  waiting for. So I, you know, I enjoyed. But once again,
• 32:19
  we didn't get prepped for that thing, so we were
• 32:21
  stepping into kind of Yah.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: You just gotta know what you're getting into. But's still fun. Sure,
• 32:26
  and with that it keeps getting fun because I'm going
• 32:27
  to continue reading it says most of the soldiers were
• 32:31
  Russian special operatives at that facility, but still many refuse
• 32:35
  to return to the chamber to remove the test subjects.
• 32:38
  They continued to scream to be left in the chamber
• 32:40
  and alternatively begged and demanded that the gas be turned
• 32:44
  back on lest they fall asleep. To everyone's surprised, the
• 32:48
  test subjects put up a fierce fight in the process
• 32:51
  of being removed from the chamber. One of the Russian
• 32:54
  soldiers died from having his throat ripped out. Another was
• 32:57
  gravely injured by having his testicles ripped off and an
• 33:01
  artery in his legs severed by one of the subject's teeth. Oh.
• 33:07
  Another five of the soldiers lost their lives if you
• 33:11
  count ones that committed in the weeks following the incident,
• 33:15
  or sorry, if you follow the ones that committed un
• 33:18
  alive haha YouTube in the weeks following the incident.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, get fucked. You know. The one thing that I
• 33:28
  will like about that I like about this compared to
• 33:30
  something like Jeff the Killer is that it really holds
• 33:33
  no bar. But also it does it like makes you
• 33:36
  think about the actual anatomy of it, Like if you
• 33:39
  look at something like Jeff the Killer, which is definitely
• 33:41
  written by I don't know, I'm not like a ten
• 33:43
  year old twelve okay whatever. What I mean is that
• 33:51
  it's juvenile where it's just like he cut him whatever,
• 33:55
  and that's supposed to be the big thing, like he
• 33:57
  bled tons, you know, instead of here's you know, having
• 34:02
  his testicle ripped off and an artery and is like
• 34:05
  severed by one of the subjects to which when I
• 34:07
  hear that, it makes me think of like like the
• 34:10
  break line to a bicycle. I mean, like the stick
• 34:13
  like cords whatever getting ripped. It's it's it's nice imagery
• 34:17
  which which you know you can.
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: Almost picture like the teeth tearing away and like the
• 34:22
  artery running down the thigh pulling out. Uh. Absolutely, it's great.
• 34:27
  It's great. This is like this feeling that's like, oh,
• 34:29
  that's awful. That's body horn. That's what you're supposed to feel.
• 34:32
  That's the direction. So it's successfully getting across what the
• 34:35
  story is trying to get across.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: It's that level of intrigue where you get into uh,
• 34:42
  you get you get into the area where you're like,
• 34:44
  I don't know why I'm intrigued, but I'm like horrifyingly disgusted.
• 34:48
  That's that, like, yeah, it's that element of body horror
• 34:51
  that I think taps into, you know, that really disgusting
• 34:55
  part of our brain where're like, it's it's almost like
• 34:57
  watching a lively video or something. It's horrible, but you know,
• 35:01
  what are you gonna do? Look away? The very press
• 35:03
  play on the video, you know, so keep going on.
• 35:09
  In the struggle, one of their four living subjects had
• 35:11
  his spleen ruptured. He bled out almost immediately. The medical
• 35:16
  researchers attempted to sedate him, but this proved impossible. He
• 35:20
  was ejected with more than ten times the human dose
• 35:23
  of a morphine derivative, and still fought like a cornered animal,
• 35:27
  breaking the ribs in arm of one doctor. When heart,
• 35:31
  when heart was seen to beat for a full two
• 35:33
  minutes after he had bled out to the point there
• 35:35
  was more air in his vascular system than blood. Even
• 35:39
  after it stopped, he continued to scream and flail for
• 35:42
  another three minutes, struggling to attack anyone in reach, and
• 35:45
  just repeating the word more over and over, weaker and weaker,
• 35:50
  until he finally fell silent. Like I said, let me
• 35:54
  tell you, my little monster energy drink there. That's fine.
• 35:58
  But I do think that this all so it was
• 36:00
  beginning to feel like somebody definitely went the Barnes and
• 36:02
  Noble and just bought a Gray's Anatomy book. Is what
• 36:04
  it's feeling like. We're getting out. There's so much.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: I think I'm still into it. I think you're being
• 36:11
  a bit mean.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know I'm saying that. I'm just saying I
• 36:15
  like it too. Listen, when I say these things, it
• 36:17
  isn't a direct me being like this is bad. I'm
• 36:21
  just saying that, like with how medical it's getting so quickly,
• 36:25
  it definitely feels like someone was just like, Okay, well
• 36:29
  what's this and they just kind of we're going into that,
• 36:32
  and there was no prep time also for this, right.
• 36:35
  I think that if which we can, I'll get into
• 36:37
  more of this letter. But it just feels like right
• 36:39
  now we're getting so like we're talking about so many
• 36:43
  of the specific organs, which sure, I mean only did
• 36:45
  with say explain, but it's like, yeah, it's so much
• 36:48
  extremely specific details to specifically I don't know.
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: I kind of like the idea that like, his heart's
• 36:55
  still beating and there's no blood and there's air flying
• 36:59
  through a system, but it's it's like his body, you
• 37:02
  know how, like when something dies and you electrocute it,
• 37:04
  the muscles still spasm, like they still react. It's like that,
• 37:08
  it's like some greater force is forcing his body to
• 37:12
  work even though it can't anymore, and he's like a
• 37:14
  cadaver being thrown around by some imaginary thing. I think
• 37:19
  it works again in the realm of the fantastical that
• 37:22
  we've established.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think it's great. I fully believe. I
• 37:24
  think I fully believe it works, right. I mean, I'll
• 37:27
  go I'll go into more of what I think of,
• 37:30
  like the official criticisms that I have for this later on.
• 37:33
  But I think it definitely works. I'm just saying that.
• 37:35
  In my mind, I could see a person sitting here
• 37:38
  writing this with a nice glass of red wine and
• 37:41
  they bust open one of those like like heavily illustrated
• 37:44
  Barnes and Noble collectible books, hardback books of Gray's anatomy.
• 37:48
  I think the guy was just looking at tons of
• 37:51
  you know, uh, source material for old timy doctors and
• 37:56
  stuff and all kinds of things that, you know, how
• 37:58
  do things connect with each other? But I appreciate that,
• 38:00
  I appreciate the level of uh detail, and well, I.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: Think you're I think this is okay, all right man,
• 38:10
  A right man, It's not true. I think I think
• 38:13
  this is fraudulent. I think this is cheap shot A
• 38:17
  quality man. I'm one won't stand for me and the
• 38:22
  Russian Sleep Experiment truthers.
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: Don't bide by this, Listen. I like it. It's what
• 38:30
  I'm saying, it does. It doesn't matter. All I'm gonna
• 38:33
  say is the only the only real criticism here, because
• 38:36
  whatever you can say about the grays and anatomy book. Sure,
• 38:38
  but what I gets the big thing here is repeating
• 38:40
  the word more over and over, weaker and weaker, until
• 38:44
  I finally went silent. That's right at my alley. I
• 38:46
  like that. I like it's getting kind of it's it's
• 38:49
  it's into the it's into the cheesy realm of like
• 38:52
  you know, this is the part of the movie too,
• 38:54
  where he says that, and his eyes are all these
• 38:56
  all eyes are all jaundice stuff, and he's looking arounduntil
• 38:59
  they rolled into the back of his He's like more whatever,
• 39:04
  And then all the doctors look at each other and
• 39:05
  they're like, gulp. Right, they probably don't say the word gould,
• 39:11
  but they do gulp. And it's a nice beach gol.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: I'm going to keep reading before I keep slandering digging
• 39:20
  this hole for your okay. The surviving three test subjects
• 39:26
  were heavily restrained and moved to a medical facility. The
• 39:30
  two with intact vocal cords continuously begging for the gas,
• 39:34
  demanding to be kept awake. The most injured of the
• 39:37
  three was taken to the only surgical operating room that
• 39:40
  the facility had in the process of preparing the subject
• 39:44
  to have his organs placed back within his body. It
• 39:47
  was found that he was effectively immune to the sedative
• 39:50
  they had given him to prepare him for the surgery.
• 39:53
  He fought furiously against his restraints. When the anesthetic gas
• 39:58
  was brought out to put him under, he managed to
• 40:00
  tear most of the way through a four inch wide
• 40:03
  leather strap on one wrist, even though the weight of
• 40:06
  a two hundred pounds soldier was holding that wrist as well.
• 40:10
  It took only a little more anesthetic than normal to
• 40:13
  put him under, and the instant his eyelids fluttered and closed,
• 40:18
  his heart stopped. In the autopsy of the test subject
• 40:22
  that died on the operating table, it was found that
• 40:25
  his blood had tripled the normal level of oxygen. His
• 40:28
  muscles that were still attached to his skeleton were badly torn,
• 40:33
  and he had broken nine bones in his struggle to
• 40:35
  not be subdued. Most of them were from the force
• 40:39
  of his own muscles. Were from the force his own
• 40:42
  muscles had exerted on them. All right, I'm so back.
• 40:47
  That goes so hard. They had so much oxygen in
• 40:50
  their system that their bodies were like bulking up, that
• 40:54
  their muscles were becoming super strong just with a wrist
• 40:57
  he's able to like punch through the strap and the
• 41:00
  soldier holding it down. His bones are shattering from the
• 41:03
  mass of his own muscles. All this oxygenation, and then
• 41:06
  the moment he goes to sleep, he's dead. I love
• 41:09
  it that that's cool.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's it's definitely levels of anime.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: We're right now.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: I think it's fun. I like how over the top
• 41:22
  it is. I'll give you that idea too, is like
• 41:26
  with some of these things. The only complaint that I
• 41:28
  have with any of these which one even if even
• 41:31
  if I listen, even if you were like, this is amazing,
• 41:35
  I think this is like brilliant. And if I'm like
• 41:37
  this is like great B level schlocky fun, you know,
• 41:41
  it's a fun hell ride, I'm the only complaint I
• 41:44
  have so far, as I wish that we got to,
• 41:45
  like maybe we got to experience more of these scenes,
• 41:50
  like more like I just wish there was more to
• 41:52
  it because right now, it's like it's paraphrasing heavily.
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: That's right, that's true.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: It's like it's like it's telling these like huge actions
• 42:00
  that are happening very quickly, which is great. For a
• 42:01
  short story. I think that, like the pacing is great,
• 42:04
  but if anything, I'm just invested and I wish that,
• 42:06
  like we could get more things of like learning more
• 42:08
  about like even if we don't know about the prisoners,
• 42:12
  we know more about the people that are subduing them
• 42:15
  to where whatever you hear something like, you know, let's see,
• 42:20
  he managed to tear most of the way through a
• 42:22
  four inch wide leather strap even though the weight of
• 42:24
  a two hundred pound soldier was holding the wrist as well.
• 42:26
  It might not be important who that soldier is, but
• 42:28
  I you know, would it make it more emotionally padful?
• 42:31
  Would it make it more intense if you knew who
• 42:34
  that soldier was, if you knew the name of that guy,
• 42:38
  what was going on, how he's been acting through this
• 42:41
  whole thing so far. It's just I want more of that.
• 42:43
  I think it's all great. It's paraphrasing, but I think
• 42:46
  it's working great. But to me, I'm like, oh, like
• 42:49
  that's where my mind goes when I hear all this is.
• 42:51
  I'm like trying to picture the two hundred pound soldier,
• 42:54
  like who he is? How long has it been working? There?
• 42:57
  Just like little little shit like that to where we're
• 43:00
  we're like dead sprinting through these people and like they're
• 43:03
  crazy manic episodes. But really I have no idea who
• 43:07
  any of the scientists are or these like people that are,
• 43:11
  you know, being involved in experiments and stuff, to where
• 43:14
  I just wish there was a little more character building
• 43:16
  there is that Is that a huge negative? Not at all,
• 43:18
  But that's just where my mind is at right now
• 43:20
  that I'll.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Give you that. The story, to me, it breaks it
• 43:25
  at some parts, especially later when there's so many quotes
• 43:28
  and stuff like that. But for the at least the
• 43:31
  first half, it feelds to me like it's almost a
• 43:34
  field report. Like subject was held down to chamber, cut
• 43:40
  through straps, immediately died, autopsy revealed his bones were Like
• 43:44
  it's like it's a like a government report almost of
• 43:46
  what happened.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, definitely it.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Breaks in the story, but for the first part that's
• 43:51
  kind of the thought it brings to mind.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's and you see, I love that. I
• 43:56
  love stories like that. You get a lot of that
• 43:58
  stuff with like sailors or like a lot of like
• 44:02
  HP Lovecraft stuff like sailors talking about things that are
• 44:06
  happening on specific days of their vessel or whatever. I
• 44:10
  love that. I love that stuff. It makes it feel
• 44:12
  much more formal, and also how informal it gets also
• 44:15
  shows like how crazy things have gotten. It's just a
• 44:19
  really fun narrative device to use. But you know, we
• 44:23
  can talk about more of this. Let'skeep I don't want
• 44:25
  to keep so down the story or anything, but so
• 44:27
  the next part reads. The second survivor had been the
• 44:30
  first of the group of five to start screaming. His
• 44:33
  vocal cords destroyed, he was unable to beg or object
• 44:36
  to surgery, and he only reacted by shaking his head
• 44:39
  violently in disapproval. When the anesthetic gas brought near him,
• 44:43
  he shook his head yes when someone suggested it reluctantly.
• 44:47
  They tried the surgery without anesthetic and did not react
• 44:50
  to the entire six hour procedure of replacing his abdominal
• 44:52
  organs and attempting to cover them with what remained of
• 44:56
  his skin. The surgeon proceeded. The surgeon presiding stated repeatedly
• 45:02
  that it should be a medically impossible or it should
• 45:04
  be medically possible for the patient to still be alive.
• 45:07
  One terrified nurse assisting the surgery stated that she had
• 45:11
  holy fucked it, I can't read one terrified nurse assisting
• 45:13
  the surgery stated that she had seen the patient's mouth
• 45:16
  curl into a smile several times whenever his eyes met hers.
• 45:22
  This is all stuff that would be great for a
• 45:24
  movie like I'd love to see. I'd love to see
• 45:26
  a mini series on this, you know what I mean,
• 45:29
  little acting moments because while I do, I'm gonna keep
• 45:32
  I'm gonna keep the idea. Sorry to interruptw you, I'm
• 45:33
  gonna keep the the sentiment that this is entering B
• 45:37
  level schlocky territory. It would be with good uh, with
• 45:42
  good practical effects. This would be a really really fun
• 45:44
  scene to see of just like this guy not talking violently,
• 45:49
  like just because I also imagine his eyes are wide open.
• 45:52
  He's just like looking around and stuff. Yes, we do
• 45:55
  get into some Jeff the Killer vibes when his you know,
• 45:58
  his mouth curls into a smile several times. Times. You know,
• 46:01
  I could go without the Heath Ledger joker aspect there,
• 46:03
  but I do still think it's really fun and creepy.
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: So this story's been adapted. I don't think I've seen
• 46:10
  any of them. But this story has been adapted into
• 46:12
  some short films, has it? Yeah, there was in twenty eighteen,
• 46:17
  there was a thriller directed by John Farley who made
• 46:24
  a film called The Sleep Experiment that was about it.
• 46:29
  There is a novel adaptation that was based on it,
• 46:32
  and there's another several other adaptions in the works. Yeah,
• 46:37
  and there's like a twenty fifteen short film I think
• 46:39
  based on it. Yeah, it's been adapted several times. I
• 46:42
  don't know how good they are. I haven't seen any
• 46:44
  of them, but a lot of people share the same
• 46:46
  sentiment that this would translate well.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Visually yeah, well it's so packed full. I mean it
• 46:54
  goes into with you know, I don't think HP Lovecraft
• 46:57
  ever went as grotesque or at all, but just with
• 47:01
  how descriptive, uh, just how descriptive.
• 47:05
  Speaker 3: He was.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: The king of being, Like the monster was indescribable, it
• 47:11
  had four eyes, and just describes it for the next.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, describe describes it in all of its glory, like basically, yeah,
• 47:18
  it takes seven pages to just be like, man, he
• 47:21
  was tall, it was weird.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, this is crazy.
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but with how descriptive they're being with I mean
• 47:30
  even some of these things, which also, if I had
• 47:32
  to be a bit of a what does it make
• 47:35
  sense that if there are prisoners of war that they
• 47:37
  would be doing surgeries to so back in their Like
• 47:42
  at this point, do you feel, just out of reading
• 47:45
  this so far, do you think that they would even
• 47:46
  perform the surgeries or do you think something more realistic
• 47:49
  would be that they would just shoot them and get
• 47:50
  new to.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I mean they probably, so it depends on how much
• 47:55
  money is invested into this project. And I also think
• 47:59
  that they are furious why this happened, right, Like not
• 48:03
  to get really dark, right, but to also get really dark.
• 48:06
  There's cases during like the Holocaust of like German like
• 48:10
  Nazi doctors when they were like doing human experimentation on
• 48:15
  people in concentration camps, that they would like keep them
• 48:19
  alive to undergo the experiment, right, because they want to
• 48:23
  know what the effects are, what happens to you in
• 48:25
  the long run. So yeah, because they can get their
• 48:28
  money's worth and their research out of it, they might
• 48:32
  if I recall, right, the story actually ends with someone
• 48:34
  doing what you're suggesting, But sure, if this happened in
• 48:38
  a lab setting, you'd probably want to know why it happened.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. I guess, yeah, I mean that makes that
• 48:45
  whatever you say that, I think it makes sense. I
• 48:47
  guess when I hear that, like there are replacing his
• 48:49
  abdominal organs and attempting to cover them with the remain skin.
• 48:53
  To me, I'm like, would they go through that effort
• 48:55
  for these prisoners? Would they just like I'm gonna get
• 48:58
  more prisoners to try.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: The gassing doesn't say replacing or does it say placing
• 49:03
  because his stuff procedure of rull. Maybe by okay, it
• 49:06
  does say replacing. Maybe it means just placing them back
• 49:09
  in his torso because remember they have them torn out
• 49:12
  and laid around them, so it's just taking the ones
• 49:15
  he has and putting them back into place. Yeah, I
• 49:18
  don't think they do an organ transplant?
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah sure, sure, No I didn't. I didn't think so either.
• 49:22
  But I'm even thinking, like, if your gutty works are
• 49:24
  just hanging out, I don't think you can just put
• 49:26
  your guts back in and they're just it's fine.
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on it depends on damage because
• 49:32
  like in surgery, right, they'll do that, they'll like they'll take.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Your surgeons that are doing it. Not fair.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: As he've established for in the realms advocate.
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just yeah, uh yeah, just a general thought,
• 49:48
  but yeah.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'll continue off of that. So it says when
• 49:52
  the surgery ended, the subject looked at the surgeon and
• 49:55
  began to wheeze loudly, attempting to talk while struggling. Assuming
• 49:59
  that this must be something of drastic importance, the surgeon
• 50:03
  had a pin and pad fetch so the patient could
• 50:05
  write his message. It was simple keep cutting. The other
• 50:10
  two test subjects were given the same surgery, both without
• 50:13
  anesthetic as well, although they had to be injected with
• 50:16
  a paralytic for the duration of the operation. The surgeon
• 50:20
  found it impossible to perform the operation while the patients
• 50:23
  laughed continuously. Once paralyzed, the subjects could only follow the
• 50:28
  attending researchers with their eyes. The paralytic cleared their system
• 50:32
  in an abnormally short period of time, and they were
• 50:35
  soon trying to escape their bonds. The moment they could speak,
• 50:39
  they were again asking for the stimulant gas. The researchers tried,
• 50:43
  asking why they had injured themselves, why they had ripped
• 50:46
  out their own guts, and why they wanted to be
• 50:49
  given the gas. Again, only one response was given, I
• 50:53
  must remain awake. Yeah, I'm still in how about you.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: No, I think it's sick. I'm thinking out loud. You're
• 51:02
  just thinking I'm processing. I don't know. I'm not hated.
• 51:05
  I haven't hated any of this. I've been in full
• 51:09
  support this whole time. All right. I'm just saying that
• 51:13
  I'm very curious to know what the gas is more
• 51:16
  specifics on that. I wish I would know. There's such
• 51:19
  an emphasis on staying awake and one in the gas,
• 51:22
  and the fact that it's vague makes it very interesting.
• 51:26
  Like I'm very I'm really pondering what it is exactly,
• 51:30
  and the obsessive idea of staying awake or like needing
• 51:34
  this thing that has basically taken over their psyche. It's
• 51:38
  just becoming very I love the I love in this
• 51:41
  that they really don't relent on the obsessive nature of it,
• 51:45
  like it's almost I mean, it's pretty it's pretty instant,
• 51:48
  instantaneous that the gas grips them like that. Yeah, right,
• 51:52
  so it makes me wonder what exactly the gas was
• 51:55
  being used for. Which these are all things too that obviously,
• 51:58
  when someone writes something like this. If they told you
• 52:01
  immediately what it was, it wouldn't have the same kind
• 52:03
  of weight because you could probably find a justification to
• 52:05
  why people wouldn't act this way. But it is interesting,
• 52:08
  like if there was a really fun way of like
• 52:11
  what kind of gas, Well, what kind of purpose would
• 52:13
  the gas be used for? To keep someone awake? Which
• 52:16
  you know, the idea of like oh, this causes people
• 52:20
  like even just something stupid where like there's some times
• 52:22
  like there's been stuff in like sci fi or even
• 52:26
  like weird horror films where people are trying to experiment
• 52:29
  with drugs that like, or even like Limitless, even that
• 52:31
  movie Limitless with Bradley Cooper. The idea of like activating
• 52:35
  certain parts of your brain that you say they don't use,
• 52:37
  which I don't know how true that is, but even
• 52:39
  the idea of like trying to solve the idea like
• 52:41
  I actually think this is an American Dad episode there
• 52:43
  was a pill you could take that you wouldn't have
• 52:45
  to sleep. Your body would just naturally get its rest
• 52:48
  so you never had to sleep. It's just like an
• 52:50
  interesting concept, especially for a horror film. Uh that I'm like,
• 52:54
  in my mind, that's where it's going. Is like this
• 52:56
  gas is supposed to be a stimulant to where your
• 52:59
  body is continuously going through like rim sleep cycle and
• 53:04
  like feel like being rested, but you're like you're consciously
• 53:08
  awake to where like I don't know, Like I'm having
• 53:12
  a lot of fun hypothesizing that in my head and
• 53:15
  trying to find some kind of fun answer to that,
• 53:17
  because to me, it makes all of these lines that
• 53:20
  are so like like it's almost like epically Shakespearean or
• 53:25
  theatrical of like I must remain awake. It gives them
• 53:28
  a lot more weight, I think, and doesn't make them
• 53:30
  feel like by putting myself in the situation of trying
• 53:33
  to find like an answer to this, it gives these
• 53:38
  these little one offs and quotes a lot more a
• 53:42
  lot more weight, which I enjoy.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm gonna save my theories about what
• 53:49
  it is to the end. Sure, Yeah, but I do
• 53:51
  have a theory for what I think the gas is,
• 53:53
  and like what I'm curious.
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear it.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: So so we'll get there.
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, we're almost there, so we
• 54:00
  can I'll wait this talk. I've been writing some stuff
• 54:03
  down as we've been reading through this, but all three
• 54:06
  subjects restraints were reinforced and they were placed back into
• 54:09
  the chamber, awaiting determination as to what should be done
• 54:12
  with them. The researchers, facing the wrath of their military's
• 54:15
  benefactors for having failed to stated goals of their project,
• 54:18
  considered euthanizing the surviving surviving subjects. The commanding officer, a
• 54:23
  former KGB agent, instead saw potential and he wanted to
• 54:26
  see what would happen if they were to put back
• 54:29
  on the gas. The research is strongly objected, but were
• 54:32
  overruled and.
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, sorry, no, no, no, you're good. That's just a
• 54:37
  fascinating paragraph because that's kind of what we talked about,
• 54:40
  like why would they keep them alive? What would be needed?
• 54:44
  Like what would they just kill them? Would they start over?
• 54:46
  And now it's like the KGB like, which again is
• 54:48
  like the boogeyman of the story, is like, what if
• 54:51
  we put them back on the gas? What happens then?
• 54:53
  Which is something I mean, if you're experimenting with people
• 54:55
  who are effectively disposable to you, then yeah, you're gonna
• 54:59
  do weird stuff like to see what happens, especially since
• 55:01
  the first results were so strange.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah. I think this introduction of the commanding officer
• 55:09
  also introduces which I kind of wish he was in
• 55:14
  the story a little earlier. Having such a like having
• 55:18
  such a commanding officer that is doing uh who is
• 55:22
  kind of the advocate for being like, oh, no, fuck it,
• 55:25
  let's look, we're already here, let's keep going. Yeah, is
• 55:30
  super interesting. And also it kind of it humanizes the
• 55:33
  other researchers who are just like, we fucked up, we
• 55:36
  should not be doing this, and then having an opposition
• 55:39
  to that is really interesting. But in preparation for being
• 55:44
  sealed in the chamber again, the subjects were connected to
• 55:46
  an EEG monitor and had their restraints padded for long
• 55:51
  term confinement. To everyone's surprise, all three stopped struggling the
• 55:54
  moment it was let's it was let slip that they
• 55:57
  were going back on the gas. It was obvious that
• 55:59
  at this point all three were putting up a great
• 56:01
  struggle to stay awake. One of the subjects that could
• 56:04
  speak was human, was humming loudly and continuously. The mute
• 56:08
  subject was straining his legs against the leather bonds with
• 56:12
  all his might, first left, then right, then left again.
• 56:15
  For something to focus on. The remaining subject was holding
• 56:18
  his head off of his pillow and blinking rapidly. Having
• 56:22
  been the first to be wired for EG, most of
• 56:24
  the researchers were monitoring his brain waves in surprise. They
• 56:28
  were normal most of the time. They were normal most
• 56:30
  of the time, but sometimes flat lined inexplicably. It looked
• 56:34
  as if he were repeatedly suffering from brain death before
• 56:37
  returning to normal. As they focused on paper scrolling out
• 56:40
  of the brain wave monitor, only one nurse saw his
• 56:43
  eye slip shut at the same moment his head hit
• 56:45
  the pillow. His brain waves immediately changed to that of
• 56:48
  deep sleep, then flattened for the last time as his
• 56:51
  heart simultaneously stopped.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: Fascinating, Oh I love that good. Yeah, Like he suffered
• 57:00
  brain death over and over to stay awake, and then
• 57:03
  for the split second he falls asleep. He's out for good.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Dead especially just yeah, we're getting It's just we keep
• 57:10
  getting introduced to all these new things now that there's
• 57:12
  like now there's a nurse that's dealing with them and stuff.
• 57:15
  Because before when I first started reading this, I just
• 57:17
  assumed that it was like, Okay, they're like in the mountains,
• 57:20
  somewhere like some weird Russian mountain lab that you see
• 57:24
  in a movie, and it's just these like scientists who
• 57:27
  are hooking them up. But now they have like a
• 57:28
  full operation team and they have they like they have
• 57:30
  the officers there, they have nurses, and now they have
• 57:32
  scientists and commanding officers. It just keeps adding in these
• 57:35
  characters that are just a little interesting things that you know, Yeah,
• 57:38
  I'm curious, Like I wish that there was just more
• 57:42
  to it, but yeah, we're so close to the end.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: They're so close. Yeah, I'll just finish out. So the
• 57:50
  only remaining subject that could speak started screaming to be
• 57:53
  sealed in Now his brain wave showed the same flat
• 57:57
  lines as one who had just died from fall in sleep.
• 58:01
  The commander gave the order to seal the chamber with
• 58:03
  both subjects inside, as well as three researchers. One of
• 58:08
  the name three immediately drew his gun and shot the
• 58:10
  commander point blank between the eyes, then turned the gun
• 58:13
  on the mute subject and blew his brains out as well.
• 58:17
  He pointed the gun to the remaining subject, still restrained
• 58:19
  to a bed, as the remaining members of the medical
• 58:22
  and research team fled the room. I won't be locked
• 58:25
  in here with these things, not with you, he screamed
• 58:28
  at the man strap to the table. What are you,
• 58:31
  he demanded, I must know, and if you would like to.
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: Finish us out, The subject smiled.
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: Have you forgotten so easily?
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: The subject asked? We are you.
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: We are the madness that looks within you, all begging
• 58:48
  to be free at every moment, your deepest animal mind.
• 58:52
  We are what we are what you hide from in
• 58:55
  your beds every night. We are what you should date
• 58:58
  into silence and paralla when you go into nocturnal haven
• 59:03
  where we can not tread.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: The researcher paused, then aimed at the subject hard and
• 59:08
  fired the The ee G flat line is a subject
• 59:11
  weekly choked out, so nearly free. And that's the that's
• 59:17
  the end.
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: That's the end of the story. I just want to
• 59:19
  say real quick before we get into the analysis. Uh.
• 59:21
  The little childhood me is a squealing and excitement that
• 59:25
  he got to be the first to hear meet Canyon
• 59:28
  do the narration of the final lines of the Russian
• 59:30
  sleep experiment. That feels like it feels like a storybook
• 59:33
  moment for me. So thank you for that. I appreciate it.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Ah, yeah, of course it's very like, I guess where
• 59:40
  do we want to start? Do we want to start
• 59:41
  with criticisms like I have I have one, I want
• 59:44
  to stay.
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: I want to let me say real quick what my
• 59:46
  theory is regarding the gas and.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: Like what, yes, actually, please, I'm curious what you so that.
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: That part at the end where it says that the
• 59:54
  one subject is experiencing brain death over and over every
• 59:57
  time he starts to go to sleep, and when he
• 59:59
  finally does just go to sleep, he flat lines. And
• 1:00:02
  then we have the ending, of course, that monologue where
• 1:00:05
  the subject says, we are you, we are the madness
• 1:00:08
  that lurks in your mind, blah blah blah, which, as
• 1:00:09
  you said, monster energy can moment. I get that, but
• 1:00:14
  also I excuse it a little bit because what I
• 1:00:17
  think is happening in this story. I also want to
• 1:00:19
  clarify this could not be the original intent of the author,
• 1:00:23
  but I have a habit, especially when I was a kid,
• 1:00:25
  of making stories better in my head, like, for example,
• 1:00:30
  you remember in the original Terminator movie how everyone dunked
• 1:00:33
  on it, Because when Arnold's face gets ripped off, it
• 1:00:37
  just goes to like a plastic silicon mask.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I thought that was.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: The scariest thing ever as a kid, because to me,
• 1:00:45
  what happened there is when half of his face got
• 1:00:49
  ripped off, the machine was no longer dedicating resources to
• 1:00:54
  looking like a human. It had given up on the far.
• 1:00:57
  So the reason his face looked fake is because the
• 1:00:59
  machine din't care to look real anymore.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: So like, yeah, I.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Always do stuff like that as a kid. At least
• 1:01:06
  I'm like, oh, I see the best in the story.
• 1:01:08
  So what I saw as a kid in Russian sleep experience,
• 1:01:11
  which again may not be the point, is there's these
• 1:01:14
  theories in like spiritualism and stuff like that that humanity
• 1:01:18
  is kind of the manifestation, or at least human souls
• 1:01:21
  are the manifestation of something in a plane. We can't
• 1:01:24
  interact with something in the realm of the spiritual, and
• 1:01:26
  that at any point we can fall prey to things
• 1:01:29
  that exist in the realm of the spiritual, albeit you know, angels, demons, ghost,
• 1:01:34
  whatever your belief system is. So my idea with this story,
• 1:01:38
  especially from that in monologue, is that every day people
• 1:01:42
  are constantly under prey from these effectively demons, these monsters
• 1:01:47
  of the unseen realm, and when we sleep, our body
• 1:01:51
  effectively builds up the immunity to fight them off. But
• 1:01:54
  because these subjects are kept awake for so long, they
• 1:01:58
  no longer have that immunity and effectively become possessed by
• 1:02:02
  whatever these creatures are. So the stimulant wasn't what was
• 1:02:05
  causing this stuff to go wrong. The stimulant was just
• 1:02:08
  working as a drug that kept them awake, and in
• 1:02:11
  staying awake, it let their bodies become the vessel for
• 1:02:17
  these spirits to come into. So these spirits possess them.
• 1:02:20
  I think the point at which it happens is when
• 1:02:22
  they started screaming. When they start screaming, freaking out, that's
• 1:02:26
  the person in there about to die, realizing that they're
• 1:02:29
  about to die, that something's going to take over their body,
• 1:02:32
  and then they're taken over. It's like a possession. So
• 1:02:34
  then now you have the possessed spirit in the human's
• 1:02:38
  body who says, I can only control this vessel for
• 1:02:41
  as long as it's awake. So they just start ripping
• 1:02:44
  up skin and eating their organs, pulling their organs out.
• 1:02:48
  And I like to think even further that the human
• 1:02:51
  may still be alive in there feeling all of the
• 1:02:54
  pain and feeling all of this while the spirit possessing
• 1:02:58
  them doesn't feel anything, and it's just forcing them to
• 1:03:01
  experience the suffering. So the person becomes a helpless passenger
• 1:03:05
  in their own body while this spirit controls it. So
• 1:03:08
  I think the lines at the end of the story
• 1:03:11
  are the spirit or the demon or what have you
• 1:03:13
  speaking to the researcher as the person's inside as just
• 1:03:17
  a victim of this whole thing. That's how I always
• 1:03:20
  fear this story, I mean, and I also thought that
• 1:03:23
  maybe if they're in there for like thirty days or
• 1:03:25
  a longer period of time, they take permanent control, or
• 1:03:28
  maybe they could possess others, which leads to the last
• 1:03:30
  lines that say so nearly free.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love that theory. The theory of
• 1:03:36
  that too. It makes the ending monologue feel a lot
• 1:03:38
  more like the Exorcism, whenever it's like we are Legion.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: And stuff that's talking about exactly.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: But I also at the same time too, the idea
• 1:03:45
  of like these people that are like having to endure
• 1:03:48
  this pain and stuff that's even more hellish, I mean,
• 1:03:51
  that's even more demented. That like, that's like what I
• 1:03:53
  feel like a demon would want to do in this
• 1:03:56
  situation of possessing somebody, Like it's all about like it's
• 1:04:00
  it's like them reveling in the idea of like torturing you,
• 1:04:03
  Like they're probably giggling and all that kind of stuff,
• 1:04:06
  which makes it. I mean, there's so many little moments
• 1:04:09
  that I think could play into that really well too,
• 1:04:12
  like the whispering and stuff. I wish there was more
• 1:04:14
  little whispering in those kind of things, and like the
• 1:04:17
  build up of this of another entity, uh, you know,
• 1:04:23
  vicariously speaking through you, I think, can become more and
• 1:04:27
  more apparent, and they can, like I think, the longer
• 1:04:30
  that they're trapped inside or not even the longer that
• 1:04:32
  they're uh manning this vehicle of somebody's body, they become
• 1:04:38
  more in control of it. They become louder, they're able
• 1:04:40
  to like speak more coherently, that kind of thing. So
• 1:04:44
  I love that idea. I think that's really good. Now
• 1:04:46
  let me ask you this in terms of your theory
• 1:04:48
  here too. Do you think that the gas at all
• 1:04:51
  could have opened up some kind of receptor for a
• 1:04:55
  demon or put them in a space, or do you
• 1:04:57
  think that it's just because the gas, or do you
• 1:04:59
  think that just because the gas is keeping them awake
• 1:05:02
  and they're not able to like get there basically build
• 1:05:05
  your defense with sleep, Like you're saying that they were
• 1:05:07
  more susceptible to being possessed.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, it could certainly be that maybe the gas is
• 1:05:11
  causing some kind of almost hallucinogenic effect, Maybe it's causing
• 1:05:15
  them to open up their brain to different spiritual paths
• 1:05:17
  or whatever. For sure, it's just in my theory, I
• 1:05:20
  think it's just the act of not going to sleep
• 1:05:23
  is what allows these things to take over in my theory, that's.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: I think that's I think that's more coherent for sure.
• 1:05:30
  I think that the idea that maybe like because obviously
• 1:05:33
  the idea with like sleep health and stuff like if
• 1:05:36
  you don't get really there's like so many horrible repercussions
• 1:05:40
  with not getting eight hours of sleep every night, Like
• 1:05:43
  there just is like you will you lose like years
• 1:05:45
  off your life if you do it too much. You know,
• 1:05:48
  like you'll go insane. You're more susceptible to like all
• 1:05:51
  these other mental illnesses and stuff. So the idea that
• 1:05:54
  being continuously awake and not being able to conscious like
• 1:05:59
  not being able to fortify your mental state, makes you
• 1:06:03
  so much more susceptible for like basically some kind of
• 1:06:06
  other entity to be like, oh, perfect, here's a you know,
• 1:06:09
  here's a vehicle for me to drive. You know. It
• 1:06:12
  feels that that seems to make total sense to me.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think I think that.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: I think that if you have which first off, that's
• 1:06:20
  a great, great theory, man, that's really really fun. I
• 1:06:24
  just like it makes it makes all of the criticisms
• 1:06:26
  I have for this.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: It feels like it.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, well, first off, let me tell you something.
• 1:06:33
  I have to I need to get this out there
• 1:06:35
  because I'm a narcissistic piece of shit and I have
• 1:06:37
  to make sure that people know my opinions.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Right, that's what he is. Were YouTubers, right, what's new?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: It's true, which I have some notes here which I
• 1:06:45
  says it's mostly just about wanting more information. I think
• 1:06:50
  that if you said that it was a if if
• 1:06:52
  this was dedicated more as a field report, then I
• 1:06:56
  think that you could have done something to allude to
• 1:06:58
  either that paranormal aspect of them getting possessed or something
• 1:07:01
  some people might like, some people might get their kicks
• 1:07:04
  off this just being like the human mind, you know,
• 1:07:10
  basically turning to soup. And this is like the the
• 1:07:13
  the essence of like hate, like the essence of pain,
• 1:07:17
  and the essence of fear or the essence of anger
• 1:07:22
  that have just like boiled down into a like into
• 1:07:24
  these subjects. I do think that the paranormal aspect of
• 1:07:28
  it's really fun. I think that if the paranormal aspect
• 1:07:31
  I like being ambiguous, because I think if you paint
• 1:07:34
  too much of a picture of this demon, it could
• 1:07:36
  get into some clown like territory to where you're like, oh, well,
• 1:07:40
  you know, I don't I want this thing to be
• 1:07:43
  you know, benevolent. I want it to be like something
• 1:07:47
  that you could picture yourself to be its own version of,
• 1:07:51
  Like you're the version of it that you would be
• 1:07:53
  afraid of most right.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: But I do think that just some of the stuff
• 1:07:58
  that I had planned, Like you know, we have that
• 1:08:00
  nine days in the hysteria begins to start. That's when
• 1:08:03
  the guy tears his vocal cords. That's whenever, you know,
• 1:08:08
  that's whenever the people start whispering, the fecis start going there.
• 1:08:13
  There's a lot of parts there where when I was
• 1:08:15
  reading or when we were reading through it that I
• 1:08:17
  just wish that we got to hear more about like
• 1:08:20
  what the scientists were saying, you know what I mean,
• 1:08:24
  yea more character build up, because this is this is
• 1:08:27
  the reason why if you have if you have a
• 1:08:30
  story like this and if it isn't a field report
• 1:08:33
  then it's just a story. Then you're kind of wanting
• 1:08:35
  to hear, Okay, well, what's the perspective of what's going
• 1:08:37
  on with you know, are the scientists like, Okay, well
• 1:08:40
  this is weird. Obviously they know we get little glimpses
• 1:08:43
  that they're like, this is not going right. But at
• 1:08:46
  what at what point are we humanizing the scientists in
• 1:08:49
  a way that we're supposed to also perceive as being
• 1:08:51
  evil people because we're dealing with prisoners, right, But can
• 1:08:55
  you sympathize with these these prison guards in a way
• 1:09:01
  to where you start out by being like I feel
• 1:09:04
  so bad for these for these prisoners, and then by
• 1:09:08
  the end of the story you have flipped the lid
• 1:09:11
  where you're just like, please God put them down. You know,
• 1:09:15
  I think that there's something fun with a narrative you
• 1:09:17
  can do there. But the thing, the reason I was
• 1:09:19
  going to say that too is that there's just a
• 1:09:20
  little there's other moments too that just like little things
• 1:09:23
  like you you know, not so much that I'm like, oh,
• 1:09:26
  this would have been better, but whenever they go into
• 1:09:28
  retrieve the bodies, I think it's on day fifteen, it
• 1:09:33
  would have been cool if if we did get to
• 1:09:36
  know who the scientists and these guards and these nurses
• 1:09:39
  were early on. You kind of almost get like a
• 1:09:41
  Chernobyl situation where it's like, you know that people are
• 1:09:43
  getting infected or people are getting you know, like the
• 1:09:46
  radiation is going to get them in some weird way
• 1:09:48
  because the precautions aren't there. So whenever they walk in
• 1:09:51
  to grab these people, I mean you assume that they're
• 1:09:53
  probably in gas masks and stuff, right, they're probably has
• 1:09:57
  Matt suited up. You know, That's what some of the
• 1:09:59
  pictures have here. But like if these people are struggling
• 1:10:03
  and I mean they're breaking their bones almost like baky characters,
• 1:10:06
  you know, almost to think that like what I like,
• 1:10:08
  what if they kind of tore through the mask a
• 1:10:09
  little bit? What if they fucked something up to where
• 1:10:12
  some of that gas got leaked into people who weren't
• 1:10:14
  supposed to be in on the experiment and that you know,
• 1:10:17
  maybe they started to like force themselves into the room
• 1:10:20
  as well. How does that trickling effect because it's reading
• 1:10:23
  so much like a zombie case that you almost want
• 1:10:26
  to see that slow infection takeover to somebody who maybe
• 1:10:28
  has been rational this whole time, is now also giving
• 1:10:33
  into some of these more depraved feelings that these subjects
• 1:10:37
  are as well. And you can have like maybe like
• 1:10:38
  an evil dead situation where you know, the person in
• 1:10:41
  the basement is, you know, yelling and screaming and taunting you,
• 1:10:45
  the same way that these people that are in the
• 1:10:46
  gas chamber could be doing the same to people that
• 1:10:49
  are working there. Some of these people that are like,
• 1:10:51
  you know, I'm just a nurse, you know, I would
• 1:10:54
  like I'm not I'm not suited for this stuff, right, Yeah,
• 1:10:59
  I think that I like, I think just more introduction
• 1:11:01
  of the characters could be cool. Hey no, so same
• 1:11:03
  with like same with like a lot of the biological
• 1:11:06
  talk and like the lexicon of things they're saying, with
• 1:11:09
  like these really in depth, like extremely specific, extremely specific
• 1:11:15
  like organs getting ripped out or like all of these things.
• 1:11:18
  I just wish that more of that was introduced earlier.
• 1:11:22
  Just to be like, this is what it's supposed to
• 1:11:24
  do the brain, or like things to where whenever it
• 1:11:27
  didn't feel like just such a huge juxtaposition. Not that
• 1:11:30
  it's even bad that they were that specific, but I
• 1:11:33
  just wish it was a little more thorough throughout, like
• 1:11:35
  it's like the effect, like what the scientists are expecting
• 1:11:40
  this to do the brain, Like even earlier stuff of
• 1:11:43
  like how there's how is their skin reacting to it?
• 1:11:46
  Just little things that build up to those extreme things
• 1:11:49
  where it's like, yeah, now their organs are on the
• 1:11:51
  ground digesting food. I think that you could have gotten
• 1:11:54
  away with that and not have it have been so
• 1:11:57
  cartoonish if you just would have entered used more of
• 1:12:00
  that like language earlier on Yeah, yeah, I get. And
• 1:12:06
  also the biggest thing now looking back at it is
• 1:12:08
  I wish that the commanding officer was at play earlier
• 1:12:12
  on pushing the bar a bit more. He he comes
• 1:12:17
  in towards the end and he's like this figure that's
• 1:12:20
  like kind of does a fucked up thing at the end.
• 1:12:23
  But it seems like it would have been it would
• 1:12:26
  have been fun to have that boogeyman like you're saying
• 1:12:29
  at the beginning, who is it we're establishing that, like
• 1:12:32
  this is obviously a means of torture, But would have
• 1:12:36
  been cool to just see or to have that figure
• 1:12:39
  come up and be like maybe like you know, introducing
• 1:12:43
  more gas at certain parts, like maybe he was the
• 1:12:46
  element that that went wrong, or he was the kind
• 1:12:49
  of like basically the devil that opened up this hell
• 1:12:53
  for these people. I think would have been nice for
• 1:12:56
  that story structure. And also I think that it just uh,
• 1:12:58
  it gives it gives a bit more. I think gives
• 1:13:02
  a little bit more weight to somebody who's continuously pressing
• 1:13:06
  the gas on something like by gas I mean throttle
• 1:13:11
  for the story, because for me, it's it is an experiment.
• 1:13:16
  But at the same time, I never felt once that
• 1:13:19
  these scientists were malicious. I don't know if you felt
• 1:13:22
  the same, but I never once felt like, yes, they're prisoners,
• 1:13:26
  but I guess they I didn't ever picture them as
• 1:13:29
  being anything more than like researchers, which maybe that's just
• 1:13:34
  me being a fucking idiot, but I mean.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: They're doing human experiments on political prisoners.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: So true.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: True, I don't know if they're the most like, sure
• 1:13:46
  they catch I guess the morality at the end of
• 1:13:49
  the story when it's well also not really because the
• 1:13:53
  reason the researcher shoots them and shoots the officers so
• 1:13:56
  he doesn't have to be locked in there with them too.
• 1:13:59
  So it's not a moral decision. It's just a self
• 1:14:01
  preservation decision. So I don't know. After they were like
• 1:14:06
  after they were screaming and ripping their vocal cords and
• 1:14:09
  smearing their feces on the windows, they were cool.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: I mean the tail that's true. Well to me, I mean,
• 1:14:18
  I mean that's fair. I think that like they're obviously
• 1:14:21
  doing bad things. There was just like a couple of
• 1:14:24
  moments where one how much of it is them? Like
• 1:14:29
  I don't know, I'm trying to justify myself. I'm trying
• 1:14:31
  to like justify the thought I had, which is the
• 1:14:34
  idea that's like like how forced are they to do
• 1:14:39
  these things? Like not? I I hate to you know,
• 1:14:41
  I hate the idea of like the argument of like
• 1:14:43
  they were just following orders, but how much of this
• 1:14:46
  was like you just it's it's mostly just the introduction
• 1:14:49
  of the commanding officer at the end to where I'm like,
• 1:14:53
  how big of how big of a play is that
• 1:14:55
  in there, which really doesn't matter. But I guess it
• 1:14:57
  just by figuring more of that out of like them,
• 1:15:00
  if it was more of a field report and they were,
• 1:15:03
  and if we could see these scientists saying more of
• 1:15:06
  like the labrat aspect of it, like they're not looking
• 1:15:08
  at these people like as humans, they're looking at them
• 1:15:10
  as labrats, which that's what they're doing in this. But
• 1:15:13
  I don't know if we I don't, and maybe this
• 1:15:17
  is just me, and there might be the common sex
• 1:15:19
  might be like, Okay, you're a fucking psychopath. But I
• 1:15:22
  guess it's just the idea that it's like we never
• 1:15:25
  get a moment with them ever doing like even like
• 1:15:28
  talking about them in that subject matter. It's more of
• 1:15:31
  them just like retelling the horrors that's happening in front
• 1:15:34
  of him. So to me, I was almost reading it
• 1:15:36
  in like this weird sympathetic, like horrified voice the whole time,
• 1:15:40
  even though it probably was very analytical and very like
• 1:15:44
  you know, shitty of like oh this they're doing a
• 1:15:47
  field report. I do think that, like like you said earlier,
• 1:15:50
  I do think that if it was in that field
• 1:15:51
  report vein that maybe it would have made them much
• 1:15:57
  more cold and stuff, And I think that even if
• 1:16:00
  that was the case too, it kind of makes the
• 1:16:02
  the people that are freaking out and stuff, they almost
• 1:16:04
  become these like crazy people that you want to see,
• 1:16:07
  you know, see them break through their their cuffs and
• 1:16:12
  stuff and break out of their imprisonment and fucking kill
• 1:16:14
  these people. I just didn't have a way to sway, right.
• 1:16:18
  So either way, it's like, by the end, I feel
• 1:16:21
  like I'm like, I feel like as characters, the prisoners
• 1:16:25
  are evil, even though I don't know if that's I
• 1:16:28
  don't think that's the correct like thing to think. Does
• 1:16:33
  that make sense to see?
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: I see how like your kind of mindset shifted to
• 1:16:37
  that that the prisoners became evil. In my opinion, that's
• 1:16:39
  because of the possession aspect in my head, but hure,
• 1:16:43
  But it could also be that, you know, if that's
• 1:16:45
  not the way the story is interpreted, then it could be,
• 1:16:47
  you know, the actual prisoners themselves became evil because that
• 1:16:50
  primality that was unleashed in them because of the lack
• 1:16:53
  of sleep.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: I still like the theory that you're saying with the possession,
• 1:16:57
  I think that by the end, I'm not looking at
• 1:17:00
  them any like, especially after you said the possession thing.
• 1:17:02
  I'm looking at them as demons and stuff. But the
• 1:17:05
  problem is that the is that because there's no delineation
• 1:17:10
  of getting to you know, and I don't think you
• 1:17:13
  have to like personally get to know these people. But
• 1:17:15
  I do think hearing more sympathetic screams and cries at
• 1:17:18
  the beginning because you do have them screaming and stuff,
• 1:17:21
  but understanding what the whispers are, seeing that transformation happen,
• 1:17:25
  I think would make it more I would be more
• 1:17:28
  sympathetic to these people instead of just being outright horrified,
• 1:17:33
  because I think that the story does a great job
• 1:17:35
  by being like you almost feel like you're one of
• 1:17:37
  the scientists in the room, being like, good god, this
• 1:17:40
  is crazy, right, instead of feeling in a odd way
• 1:17:44
  which maybe this is just me being a fucking psychopath,
• 1:17:47
  less sympathetic, and more about me being like these people
• 1:17:50
  are terrifying me, Like like I don't, I'm like almost
• 1:17:56
  the beginning goes by so fast that the human aspect
• 1:17:59
  of the story is quickly shoved the side. They kind
• 1:18:03
  of immediately go into feral apes. So I felt like
• 1:18:08
  I was more just horrified than sympathetic with Yeah, that
• 1:18:12
  makes sense.
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: I get that because they become so different from humanity.
• 1:18:15
  I can follow that. I think the story would do
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  a lot better if you It would just be slight
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  if you slightly reorganized it to be a field report.
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  So you open up like log day one, long day two,
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  you give it, and then at the ending, because all
• 1:18:32
  that you had mentioned in the initial logs is there
• 1:18:34
  was an encounter researcher, executed to executed guard as well
• 1:18:39
  as too awaiting whatever, and then at the end you
• 1:18:41
  would put like uh words said or transcript. You'd have
• 1:18:48
  a transcript of like dialogue, and from there you could
• 1:18:51
  have conversations between the nurses and stuff that get across
• 1:18:54
  what happens during the surgery and all that, and then
• 1:18:57
  you could end the entire thing when the dialogue of
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  the patient on the stretcher so nearly free. That could
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  be like the final part of the transcript.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely, I think and I do think, and I do
• 1:19:08
  think that would have translated better into a audio. This
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  would actually if it wasn't that field report thing, it
• 1:19:14
  would be great to hear an audio storytelling of it
• 1:19:18
  with like other actors and stuff, because it could be
• 1:19:20
  like you have your main character, who's your main uh
• 1:19:23
  scientist guy who is writing these things out, and then
• 1:19:26
  you get to be like, uh, you know this is
• 1:19:28
  a recording from the booth or whatever, and you could
• 1:19:31
  add more to the story. I think a lot of
• 1:19:33
  storytellers could come together and add to the story with
• 1:19:36
  their own performances and have those guiding lights of these
• 1:19:40
  uh of these like kind of one liners that are
• 1:19:42
  peppered through the story. You could have more people like
• 1:19:45
  kind of add to this, uh to this experience. But
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  I dude, I strongly agree with that though I think
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  that this would have been I think it would have
• 1:19:55
  been more effective as a field report. Like I I
• 1:19:58
  that would have been a really fun for this. That
• 1:20:01
  being said, though the whole thing is great. I mean, like,
• 1:20:03
  this is the first story we've covered so far where
• 1:20:05
  I'm like, I would love love to see this into
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  like a mini series or like a really well done
• 1:20:12
  movie or something. This would be a great movie or
• 1:20:15
  mini series. I mean, I'll probably lean more towards MANI
• 1:20:18
  series just because I want more. I want more of
• 1:20:21
  the subjects. I want more of the character development and
• 1:20:24
  growth of these people and stuff, because I think if
• 1:20:26
  you I really think that if you have all of
• 1:20:28
  that stuff and you can either get behind or hate characters,
• 1:20:32
  because that's like such an important part of stories, is
• 1:20:35
  you hate a character. That's a great emotion to have
• 1:20:37
  with storytelling if you're able to convey that you've done
• 1:20:40
  something very well. And I think that like, if you're
• 1:20:42
  able to hate these scientists story, maybe you're able to
• 1:20:44
  sympathize with them or whatever. Or you could hate the
• 1:20:48
  you know, you could be sympathetic towards the prisoners and
• 1:20:50
  their change is so sad and horrifying that it's almost like,
• 1:20:54
  you know, it's terrible. I do think that, like it
• 1:20:56
  would give this so much more weight, and I think
• 1:20:58
  it would make the ending much more, much more impactful.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think there's a lot you
• 1:21:03
  could do with it. I think it could be fun
• 1:21:05
  to adapt. And you know what, after looking over that
• 1:21:07
  whole story, my memory of it was good, but I
• 1:21:09
  was kind of worried going back in this still goes hard.
• 1:21:12
  I still like it. I still like the direction, I
• 1:21:14
  like the pacing. Sure some stuff could be changed, I
• 1:21:16
  think to make it more impactful, but my theory I
• 1:21:19
  had then I think still stands up now. Yeah, I
• 1:21:22
  think this is still a banger. I still like it.
• 1:21:24
  This is a good one.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think your theory is great, and I
• 1:21:27
  think for honestly so far, I mean, like, no, we're
• 1:21:30
  only on episode three, but even some of the stuff
• 1:21:32
  that we've been introduced and stuff for a story that
• 1:21:35
  that is this short, you get so much detail. The
• 1:21:39
  flow is great. This is such a great like quick read.
• 1:21:43
  That's why I think. Also it's so accessible is because
• 1:21:47
  you're not getting bogged down in the weeds and stuff
• 1:21:49
  with people that want more of the monotonous, boring bullshit
• 1:21:54
  like I do. That's just my preference. I love that.
• 1:21:56
  But I do think that this thing is like it's
• 1:21:59
  just like a like just a fucking a hit and run.
• 1:22:02
  I mean, it just blows by, boom and then it's gone.
• 1:22:05
  I mean it's really really fun, I you know, and
• 1:22:09
  when I say things like anime moment, or when I
• 1:22:12
  say things like monster energy can, I can see how
• 1:22:16
  very easily that can be perceived as negative. But mostly
• 1:22:19
  I think it's just me trying to find a fun
• 1:22:22
  way to be like, this is schlocky, and I like that.
• 1:22:26
  I think schlock is very very fun. I mean, like
• 1:22:28
  that was one of like the positives we had from
• 1:22:30
  the Jeff of the Killer thing was that like because
• 1:22:32
  it was so outlandish, it makes it a fun read.
• 1:22:35
  Like it just because something isn't you know, concrete and
• 1:22:38
  not you know, totally perfect, doesn't mean it's not valid.
• 1:22:41
  I think that this story is great structurally, well, first off,
• 1:22:45
  it's just leagues better than obviously Jeff the Killer and stuff.
• 1:22:48
  But I think like this is just I love that
• 1:22:51
  it's embedded in history. I think it's going to be
• 1:22:53
  like something like a fun, timeless piece, and I think
• 1:22:55
  like as people, you know, as people kind of stumble
• 1:22:59
  upon it, I still think like for years and years
• 1:23:01
  to come, it's gonna have that fun allure to first
• 1:23:04
  time readers of like is this how how real is this?
• 1:23:07
  You know? And there's just that fun little spark that
• 1:23:10
  I think these creepypastas have and that's what makes them
• 1:23:12
  so great. It's just like that little, that little idyo
• 1:23:15
  bitty spark where you're like, oh my god, because it's
• 1:23:17
  not a big published thing, it's just something that exists
• 1:23:20
  on the Internet, and I think that's really really special.
• 1:23:23
  So I'm glad. I'm glad, I'm.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: Glad, I'm glad. It goes hard. It stands up in
• 1:23:28
  the In the current catalog of creep cast recollections, We've
• 1:23:33
  got Stairs in the Woods, you know, I'm a search
• 1:23:35
  and rescue officer and sleep experiment in the banker category,
• 1:23:39
  and then we got Jeff the Killer in the.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: It's got to be in the Hall of Fame of Bad,
• 1:23:45
  the Hall of Fame of Bad. Yeah, yeah, I think
• 1:23:48
  that it's it's not because I think that it's not
• 1:23:51
  bad to where it's like I would never read that
• 1:23:54
  it's it's bad as it's really funny and it's historical.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: It's the room of yeah, of creepypasta stuff.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's uh. I think I think it's worth it.
• 1:24:07
  I'm I'm very excited too for the next episode, which
• 1:24:09
  I know I've seen comments about people saying they want
• 1:24:12
  to know the subjects we're talking about beforehand. So I
• 1:24:15
  think the next one we have scheduled is Braska.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Yes, and also if anything changes, we have a Twitter
• 1:24:22
  account now at creep cast. Yes. Is it at creep
• 1:24:25
  cast or is it creep hold on Them? I should
• 1:24:27
  probably know this as the.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Well, the thing is that there's creep cast isn't the
• 1:24:32
  most original title. So we have had the combat the deal.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: I see creep cast Actual is the name of the app.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: Currently socast Actual.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, I go there and if there's any updates
• 1:24:44
  or you want to know what the next story is early,
• 1:24:46
  go follow that on Twitter and you can get in
• 1:24:47
  on that.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to do also, uh, I'd like to
• 1:24:51
  make a reddit or something to where people can submit uh,
• 1:24:55
  story suggestions or even I am a big advocate for
• 1:24:59
  people writing their own stuff, and I've been being able
• 1:25:02
  to read some viewer stories or something like that.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: It could be pretty cool. I'm sure just throwing it
• 1:25:07
  out there someone could do. Someone will do it on
• 1:25:09
  their own if we don't want to oversee it. But
• 1:25:11
  if we do want to oversee it, we could probably
• 1:25:13
  make that happen. I never made the Windagoon subrite. People
• 1:25:15
  just went ahead and made it. You know, yeah, same
• 1:25:18
  are Yeah, so maybe like that, Maybe that will happen,
• 1:25:21
  but who knows. There could already be one for all
• 1:25:24
  I know. But yeah, more fan interaction, more stuff like
• 1:25:26
  that sounds cool. Thank you all so much for the
• 1:25:28
  support you've been showing the show. By the way, it's
• 1:25:30
  really it's really insane.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: It's awesome.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: One thing I want to mention that I forgot. I
• 1:25:34
  talked about mentioning this with you, but I didn't think
• 1:25:36
  of it until now. So the author of the Search
• 1:25:41
  and Rescue Woods, I'm a search rescue officer. I've spoken
• 1:25:44
  to her, great person, great writer, and I meant to
• 1:25:48
  shout this out when we did the episode about her
• 1:25:52
  work with the Stairs in the Woods, but I forgot
• 1:25:54
  to mention it. Then I wanted to mention that she
• 1:25:57
  is currently doing a lot of caption work and is
• 1:25:59
  very proud of the work she did on the Amazing
• 1:26:02
  Digital Circus. Is that the name of the series?
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Insanely insanely popular?
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, that's I haven't watched it yet, but
• 1:26:11
  I just see the view count and I'm like, oh,
• 1:26:12
  my word, so fun Internet lore. The author of the
• 1:26:16
  Search and Rescue Staring in the Woods did the caption
• 1:26:19
  work for that, and she also does a lot of
• 1:26:21
  other caption work. You can reach out to her if
• 1:26:23
  you're interested in getting her work from that series on
• 1:26:27
  any of your stuff. She's very talented. We'll probably have
• 1:26:30
  her on in the future whenever we inte writers and
• 1:26:32
  authors on to speak. But yeah, I wanted to mention
• 1:26:34
  that because I didn't mention it in the previous episode,
• 1:26:37
  So just letting you all know about that.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's great. I think that's great, and
• 1:26:42
  I'm you know, I think it's another successful episode.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: I think that was pretty cool. Three in and we
• 1:26:48
  haven't destroyed the channel from the inside out yet, so
• 1:26:51
  do we have doing pretty good?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 1: I think I think it feels good. This will officially
• 1:26:56
  be the last episode of the year. I know that
• 1:26:58
  this is only the third episode, but it feels I
• 1:27:00
  think the bi weekly schedule feels fun. I think we're
• 1:27:02
  gonna continue that into the new year. But we will
• 1:27:04
  see you in the new year. So happy New Year
• 1:27:07
  to you all. I hope you all had great holidays.
• 1:27:09
  Stay safe out there, and uh, you know, get you know,
• 1:27:14
  get drunk. I'm gonna get that if you're of age,
• 1:27:18
  I would say.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: And then for me, and then for me, it's the
• 1:27:20
  other end of the spectrum. Go to church. So that so.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: That there are anywhere on.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: The spectrum between those two, how.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: There it is. There's no room to complain. The whole
• 1:27:29
  spectrum was filled, so we have it perfectly down.
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Preferably, don't do both of those at the same time.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: But other than I would not regular I would not recommend,
• 1:27:38
  even though it would be a funny story and I'd
• 1:27:40
  love to hear it sometime. I do not recommend, We don't, condon't.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: But if you're gonna do it, please record.
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: All right, take care everybody.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 2: See everyone, Happy New Year, Merry Christmas. See you all.
• 1:27:52
  Take care,