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- 0:04Speaker 1: This is HBr News number five twenty four Ema Room
- 0:08Speaker 1: attacked at twitch pon W's for Pennsylvania in Arizona, where
- 0:12Speaker 1: we discuss the news.
- 0:12Speaker 2: Of the week and give it the Badger treatment.
- 0:19Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. Becaus
- 0:22Speaker 1: are doing well this week, and that you're laughing in
- 0:24Speaker 1: all of this absurdity so that you are not consumed
- 0:26Speaker 1: by it. I am your host, Brian. I'm joined by
- 0:29Speaker 1: doctor randamercam Hella Walin might be here.
- 0:32Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 0:33Speaker 1: She hasn't shown up yet. I know that she didn't
- 0:35Speaker 1: make the last show because it was some scheduling thing.
- 0:38Speaker 1: So hopefully, you know, she'll either show up or we
- 0:42Speaker 1: will find out that, you know, there's a good reason
- 0:45Speaker 1: for her absence.
- 0:47Speaker 3: Are you gonna say, Mike, I said hello, oh, hello, Hello, No,
- 0:53Speaker 3: that's unusually loquacious for me to say hello.
- 0:59Speaker 2: You caught me off ard a little bit. Yeah. So, oh,
- 1:03Speaker 2: and there's Hannah. See let me just say, I gotta
- 1:08Speaker 2: plug I gotta plug her in the the audience.
- 1:10Speaker 1: Can't hear you talking? Just give me a second here.
- 1:13Speaker 1: Oh no, it's okay. I'm just glad you made it.
- 1:17Speaker 4: Okay, my headset to my new computer is more of
- 1:26Speaker 4: a effort for the computer than just putting it in.
- 1:33Speaker 1: Yeah, gotta go with those drivers and stuff. All right, well, yes,
- 1:38Speaker 1: so we have a Hannah.
- 1:39Speaker 2: We are good. Okay.
- 1:42Speaker 1: So anyway, with all that said, uh, please be sure
- 1:46Speaker 1: to continue the conversations both in the chat as well
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- 1:52Speaker 1: going to be looking at new some news regarding parenting
- 1:56Speaker 1: reforms or co parenting reforms that are currently in progress
- 2:00Speaker 1: as in Arizona and Pennsylvania. Twitch con drama, which I
- 2:04Speaker 1: think is gonna be a pretty big story, a door
- 2:08Speaker 1: dash drama that has happened. And more so, stick around.
- 2:11Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good time. Am You should have
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- 2:16Speaker 1: you see here, I am displaying the website TikTok where
- 2:22Speaker 1: we're going to be looking at basically some door dash
- 2:26Speaker 1: some some reactions to the door dash story. If you
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- 2:33Speaker 3: Mental, I'm gonna go so mad on this ship.
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- 2:40Speaker 1: at it.
- 2:40Speaker 2: Afterwards.
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- 4:11Speaker 1: get into today's stories. So this one's a little bit
- 4:16Speaker 1: of a follow up, because, as you know, antifa has
- 4:21Speaker 1: been like a thing on everyone's lips for a while now.
- 4:25Speaker 1: And when I say a while, I mean like since
- 4:28Speaker 1: the year twenty nineteen, maybe before.
- 4:31Speaker 2: I mean, I know, it's definitely an old.
- 4:32Speaker 5: Idea, as somewhat as someone insists that ever since fascism
- 4:40Speaker 5: came around, there's been anti fascism, which isn't the same
- 4:44Speaker 5: as antiphild but yes it is, but no it isn't.
- 4:46Speaker 3: I'll get into it when need right.
- 4:49Speaker 1: So we have here an interesting story. Apparently there was
- 4:54Speaker 1: a book called the Anti Antifa, the Anti Fascist Handbook,
- 4:59Speaker 1: which was pretty popular. Here's a picture of Minneapolis DA
- 5:05Speaker 1: Keith Ellison holding his copy proudly. So not like a
- 5:11Speaker 1: fringe thing, you know, popular with some people are that
- 5:14Speaker 1: have let's say that that have some that are in
- 5:17Speaker 1: high places. But anyway, recently, though, in early October twenty
- 5:21Speaker 1: twenty five, the Rutgers University Student Assembly in New Brunswick,
- 5:24Speaker 1: New Jersey, introduced a resolution titled Resolution and Support of
- 5:28Speaker 1: Professor Mark Bray's Academic Freedom and Free Expression Mark Bray,
- 5:33Speaker 1: because you guys don't know, is the guy who wrote
- 5:36Speaker 1: the Anti Fascist Handbook. The measure urges university President William F.
- 5:41Speaker 1: Tate the fourth cool Name, to publicly defend mister Mark Bray,
- 5:45Speaker 1: a history professor known for his scholarship on anti fascism,
- 5:51Speaker 1: including authoring the book Antifa, the Anti Fascist Handbook. It
- 5:56Speaker 1: calls for Rutgers to reaffirm Bray's academic freedom, provide him
- 5:59Speaker 1: with legal safety and logistical support mid threats, and clarify
- 6:03Speaker 1: that political disagreement alone does not justify discipline. The resolution
- 6:07Speaker 1: emerged in response to escalating harassment against Bray following President
- 6:12Speaker 1: Donald Trump's executive order designating Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization.
- 6:18Speaker 1: The controversy intensified after the Rutgers chapter of Turning Point
- 6:22Speaker 1: USA launched a change dot org petition on October three
- 6:26Speaker 1: demanding Bray's dismissal for allegedly promoting left wing terrorism and
- 6:30Speaker 1: endangering conservative students through his Antifa affiliations. The petition, which
- 6:36Speaker 1: garnered over eighteen hundred signatures, cited Bray's past statements labeling
- 6:40Speaker 1: figures like Bill O'Reilly as fascists and advocating militant actions.
- 6:45Speaker 1: Triggered by death threats, supposedly doxing of his home address,
- 6:49Speaker 1: and even a blocked flight attempt, Bray relocated to Spain
- 6:53Speaker 1: with his family, shifting his classes to online classes. The
- 6:57Speaker 1: student resolution was approved by the Rutgers universe, so he
- 7:00Speaker 1: senate on October seventeenth, highlighting tensions over free speech and
- 7:03Speaker 1: ideological clashes on campus. So well, let me just summarize.
- 7:10Speaker 1: So in summary, the guy who wrote the book that
- 7:15Speaker 1: antifa and basically just revolutionary anarchist communists all over the
- 7:20Speaker 1: world use as their guide to determining what antifa is
- 7:26Speaker 1: and who is a fascist had a job as a
- 7:30Speaker 1: tenured professor at Rutgers University for years and now that
- 7:36Speaker 1: Antifa has been designated a domestic terrorist organization. He suddenly
- 7:42Speaker 1: feels threatened and has left and fled to Spain with
- 7:47Speaker 1: his family and now does his courses online. And the
- 7:50Speaker 1: school is trying to the student assembly, but I think
- 7:53Speaker 1: it's the school itself, the Rutgers University school is essentially
- 7:57Speaker 1: trying to start a resolution in support of his academic
- 8:02Speaker 1: freedom and free expression. And so he is the victim,
- 8:07Speaker 1: according to himself, of death threats and dosing the Antifa guy. Okay,
- 8:14Speaker 1: but anyway, and he said himself he's not a terrorist,
- 8:17Speaker 1: but that he does engage in anti fascist activity. Anyway,
- 8:21Speaker 1: I'm gonna leave it. I got I gotta say some more,
- 8:23Speaker 1: but I'm gonna let this one go. Go ahead, Mike,
- 8:25Speaker 1: if you wish.
- 8:26Speaker 3: Yeah, many of you may be thinking what I'm thinking.
- 8:31Speaker 3: Surely Antifa doesn't exist, and Tifa never existed, it can't exist. Therefore,
- 8:39Speaker 3: this man's extremist activism doesn't exist, and neither does his book.
- 8:45Speaker 3: So what's the problem. What are you even worried about?
- 8:50Speaker 3: It doesn't matter how many hard copies of his book
- 8:53Speaker 3: you hold up with his name on it. He could
- 8:56Speaker 3: just go It's not mine. I didn't write that this
- 9:00Speaker 3: sort of thing isn't my bag, baby, And I suppose
- 9:05Speaker 3: the argument is, yeah, but we're living under a fascist
- 9:09Speaker 3: regime ever since twenty four and they'll prosecute anyone they
- 9:16Speaker 3: think is in some way associated with antifer so just
- 9:20Speaker 3: so they can destroy their enemies. Okay, So I have
- 9:24Speaker 3: to ask, what do you mean by fascist? What do
- 9:29Speaker 3: you mean? What do you mean by fascist? How do
- 9:31Speaker 3: you not know what fascist means? What are you a fascist? No, sir,
- 9:36Speaker 3: I am not. I personally, I would like the smallest
- 9:40Speaker 3: government humanly possible, with the absolute bare minimum of power
- 9:44Speaker 3: and influence over the people of any given nation. If
- 9:48Speaker 3: the government is to exist at all, I want it
- 9:51Speaker 3: to keep the people of a nation safe from the
- 9:54Speaker 3: people of other nations. What So, you are a fascist,
- 10:01Speaker 3: and there you have it. That's what they mean by fascist,
- 10:04Speaker 3: at least that's one of the things they mean. Fascism
- 10:08Speaker 3: is prioritizing the people they're supposed to be serving over
- 10:14Speaker 3: the people they're not supposed to be serving. The primary
- 10:18Speaker 3: function that a state is supposed to have. These people
- 10:23Speaker 3: are not interested in curtailing government overreach. What they're interested
- 10:28Speaker 3: in interested in is curtailing millionaires and billionaires. They've made
- 10:34Speaker 3: it crystal clear they want to use the bloated monster
- 10:38Speaker 3: of the government to steal from hard working, successful private
- 10:44Speaker 3: individuals and their families and their enterprises. And it's not
- 10:50Speaker 3: just the rich that they also want to steal from men,
- 10:54Speaker 3: especially white men, especially straight men, no matter how poor
- 10:58Speaker 3: and downtrodden those straight wornes are. I know some of
- 11:02Speaker 3: us think they've put the woke away, that they're no
- 11:06Speaker 3: longer focusing on race and gender politics, and that they've
- 11:10Speaker 3: reverted back to the Bernie sounderisms of the millionaires and
- 11:14Speaker 3: the millionaires, specifically the billionaires, now that Bernie and his
- 11:19Speaker 3: fellow communists are themselves millionaires. But let's not fool ourselves.
- 11:23Speaker 3: It's just that they have already secured that they're institutional
- 11:29Speaker 3: crusade against straight white men. They've already populated the schools
- 11:34Speaker 3: and the mass media and the courts with their locophobic
- 11:39Speaker 3: racists and their massandric sexists. So now that that's secured,
- 11:44Speaker 3: they're working their way back through the evolution of communism
- 11:49Speaker 3: all the way to its roots. See, there are some
- 11:53Speaker 3: straight white men who have, despite all odds, become financially successful,
- 12:00Speaker 3: and we can't have that. What do you suppose they
- 12:03Speaker 3: intend to do about the billionaires? How do you suppose
- 12:07Speaker 3: they're going to stop them from being billionaires. It's pretty obvious,
- 12:13Speaker 3: isn't it. They want the government to tax them so
- 12:17Speaker 3: hard that they can never get that rich in the
- 12:19Speaker 3: first place. And when they're done with the billionaires, they'll
- 12:23Speaker 3: come for the millionaires and then the thousandaires, and they
- 12:27Speaker 3: won't stop until no individual in the country has more
- 12:32Speaker 3: than a handful of pocket change in digital social credit.
- 12:37Speaker 3: And all the money in the world is in the
- 12:40Speaker 3: hands of the government, and the government does with it
- 12:44Speaker 3: what they see fit. And no, they do not call
- 12:48Speaker 3: this fascism, and to be fair, it's not. It's much
- 12:53Speaker 3: worse than fascism. It's communism. That's exactly what every communist
- 12:57Speaker 3: state has done, and it always, without exception, results in destitution.
- 13:04Speaker 3: But there's an easy way around it, you see. Just
- 13:06Speaker 3: don't call it communism, call it anti fascism. Job done. Yes,
- 13:12Speaker 3: we want to abolish wealth, we want to abolish private property,
- 13:16Speaker 3: and we want to abolish families, just like Marx told
- 13:20Speaker 3: us to. But we don't call it Marxism. We don't
- 13:24Speaker 3: call it communism. Oh wait, shit. A lot of us
- 13:28Speaker 3: literally do call it communism. They're not even hiding it.
- 13:32Speaker 3: They're open and proud about it, and they can gleefully
- 13:36Speaker 3: declare it in public and face no consequences for their
- 13:40Speaker 3: support of one hundred million murders. But those people are
- 13:45Speaker 3: just the people who actually call it communism. They're they're
- 13:48Speaker 3: just a fringe minority. They don't represent us. Don't worry
- 13:51Speaker 3: about it. As a matter of fact, they don't exist.
- 13:55Speaker 3: Communism doesn't exist, after all, it's never been tried. Only
- 14:00Speaker 3: anti fascism exists. Oh but antifer it doesn't exist, even
- 14:08Speaker 3: though it's just anti fascism, which is the only thing
- 14:12Speaker 3: that does exist. Is that clear? What we're witnessing is
- 14:17Speaker 3: what happened. This is how so many sitcom episodes are
- 14:22Speaker 3: set up. That's that's that's how you can make hundreds
- 14:25Speaker 3: of episodes of the same sitcom. It's just a character
- 14:27Speaker 3: tells a lie and and and then to get around it,
- 14:31Speaker 3: they have to tell another lie, and then another, and
- 14:33Speaker 3: it all becomes this comedy of errors. They have to
- 14:36Speaker 3: they have to stick with all of these lies and
- 14:38Speaker 3: all of the lies on top of those lies, and
- 14:40Speaker 3: then they can never admit to any of these lies.
- 14:44Speaker 3: So they have to keep stacking this house of cards
- 14:47Speaker 3: and and and until it reaches this breaking point and
- 14:50Speaker 3: the only option they have left is to flee to
- 14:53Speaker 3: another country, like Mark Bray did. And and good for you,
- 14:58Speaker 3: mister Bray. I mean it if you don't support the
- 15:02Speaker 3: prosperity of the American people and you'd rather their wealth
- 15:07Speaker 3: and property is handed gift wrapped to everyone else. If
- 15:12Speaker 3: you think Americans live on stolen land, thank you very
- 15:16Speaker 3: much for putting your money where your mouth is and
- 15:21Speaker 3: leaving that stolen land and going somewhere else, Somewhere else
- 15:26Speaker 3: where they have no history of colonialism, let alone fascism.
- 15:31Speaker 3: Where is it you've escaped to again? Spain? Good good,
- 15:37Speaker 3: I'm sure I'll have a whale of a time in Spain.
- 15:41Speaker 3: Just do remember, now that you're in Europe, you're supposed
- 15:45Speaker 3: to be prioritizing everyone except the indigenous people. Best of
- 15:50Speaker 3: luck explaining your sudden flip flop on this most crucial
- 15:55Speaker 3: of matters. And yeah, don't even make eye contact with
- 15:59Speaker 3: them of the local senoritas, or you'll be charged with femicide.
- 16:05Speaker 3: I could smell your flop sweat from here, sir. It
- 16:09Speaker 3: is salty and delicious, and I'm here for it.
- 16:16Speaker 4: It kind of makes me wonder what else he has
- 16:19Speaker 4: done besides write that book. And the reason I wonder
- 16:23Speaker 4: that is, I don't know if the younger people listening
- 16:31Speaker 4: have heard of a book called The Anarchist Cookbook. But
- 16:36Speaker 4: that book flat out had recipes for explosives and other
- 16:41Speaker 4: things that violated federal law if you would have them
- 16:45Speaker 4: or create them. The recipes themselves were not necessarily illegal,
- 16:50Speaker 4: and the book didn't constitute like conspiracy to commit a crime.
- 16:54Speaker 4: It was just information, just like if you study chemistry,
- 17:00Speaker 4: you have that same information. It's whether or not you
- 17:04Speaker 4: use it to commit crimes that determines whether or not
- 17:09Speaker 4: you're a criminal. And so they never prosecuted the original
- 17:17Speaker 4: author of the Anarchist Cookbook, despite the fact that many
- 17:22Speaker 4: of the things in that book could be used to
- 17:26Speaker 4: commit crimes if somebody was so stupid as to do that,
- 17:34Speaker 4: and some people were, and then of course there was
- 17:39Speaker 4: there's a difference between the US and say, other other nations,
- 17:45Speaker 4: particularly European nations. So there have been some people in
- 17:47Speaker 4: the UK for that have been prosecuted for selling copies
- 17:55Speaker 4: or having a copy of that book, but not in
- 17:59Speaker 4: the US, just not just for having There's one student
- 18:03Speaker 4: who was prosecuted but was acquitted after arguing that it
- 18:09Speaker 4: was for using for use in a role playing game,
- 18:13Speaker 4: basically character information, you know, basically proving probably to a
- 18:20Speaker 4: d M, this is a real possible thing that can
- 18:23Speaker 4: be done, which I could see a gamer doing that,
- 18:28Speaker 4: and and you know, and I'm sure there are people
- 18:31Speaker 4: that have I'm not the only one that's that's looked
- 18:34Speaker 4: up that information out of curiosity just to see, you
- 18:38Speaker 4: know what, what's there, with no intention of doing anything
- 18:42Speaker 4: with it because it would do god awful damage and
- 18:47Speaker 4: and hurt people, so you don't actually want to do
- 18:50Speaker 4: anything with it. But it's interesting information to know, right
- 18:55Speaker 4: and being interested in stuff like that's not a crime. No,
- 19:00Speaker 4: Knowing information is not a crime unless it's protected information,
- 19:04Speaker 4: you know, knowing information that's not not classified, if you're
- 19:11Speaker 4: not you know, eligible for it, that's not a crime.
- 19:17Speaker 4: Sharing information that's not protected is not a crime. Obviously
- 19:22Speaker 4: there's some information. For instance, I can't share my patient's
- 19:25Speaker 4: information with y'all. That would be a crime. But a
- 19:31Speaker 4: book like this, unless he's out and out like outlining
- 19:39Speaker 4: here's how you should commit these crimes and creating a
- 19:44Speaker 4: conspiracy to commit crimes using that book, he must have
- 19:50Speaker 4: done something else that he's he's fleeing for, because they
- 19:57Speaker 4: wouldn't be able to prosecute him just for providing him
- 20:00Speaker 4: on things like here's how to hide your face and
- 20:03Speaker 4: here's how to make makeshift weapons and blah blah blah.
- 20:08Speaker 4: They can't prosecute for that unless he's advocating in the
- 20:15Speaker 4: book let's do this, here's the plan, and people are
- 20:22Speaker 4: following the plan, and then he can get uh, you know,
- 20:27Speaker 4: prosecuted for conspiring with others to commit crimes. But yeah,
- 20:34Speaker 4: it really does kind of make me suspicious. What else
- 20:36Speaker 4: did this guy do besides write a book? It just
- 20:43Speaker 4: something stinks there. There's a there's the smell test that
- 20:48Speaker 4: the that he's he's running away because he's afraid he's
- 20:51Speaker 4: going to be prosecuted for writing a book. I'm not
- 20:56Speaker 4: buying it, especially not going to some place in Europe
- 20:59Speaker 4: where he is more likely to be prosecuted for writing
- 21:02Speaker 4: a book than he would be in the United States.
- 21:07Speaker 4: So and then again, I as like I said, I've
- 21:12Speaker 4: seen the Anarchist Cookbook. I haven't seen the Antifa Handbook,
- 21:18Speaker 4: So I don't know what's in it.
- 21:22Speaker 2: Well, I can tell you what's I can tell you
- 21:26Speaker 2: what's in it.
- 21:26Speaker 1: First of all, this book is available on Amazon, so
- 21:30Speaker 1: it's not like a book that's banned or anything like that.
- 21:34Speaker 1: There are books written by like, you know, Martin Luther,
- 21:39Speaker 1: like not Martin Luther King, but Martin Luther, the.
- 21:41Speaker 2: Guy that started the Protestant Reformation that.
- 21:43Speaker 1: You can't get on Amazon. But you can get the
- 21:45Speaker 1: Antifashion Antifa, the Anti Fascist Handbook on Amazon dot com.
- 21:52Speaker 1: And the thing is is that, first of all, this
- 21:55Speaker 1: book is in high circulation on college campuses. Usually these
- 22:01Speaker 1: these teachers that write books, they get distribution on colleges.
- 22:05Speaker 2: So it's not just available at Rutgers.
- 22:08Speaker 1: It has become the go to book for people who
- 22:11Speaker 1: want to be antifa or otherwise just revolutionary communists, because
- 22:15Speaker 1: that's what they are. This is just Marxism with a
- 22:18Speaker 1: different it's like rebranded to be a little bit less,
- 22:22Speaker 1: you know, stigmatized. I guess so that's why they say
- 22:26Speaker 1: we're not we're not communists, we're just anti fascists.
- 22:29Speaker 4: He's selling the book, right.
- 22:32Speaker 1: Well, no, Amazon sells the book. His name is attached
- 22:36Speaker 1: to the book. So, but here's the thing.
- 22:37Speaker 4: So it's I'll bet he's a communist, but I'll bet
- 22:42Speaker 4: he's making money from the book.
- 22:45Speaker 1: Of course, he's making money from the book. How much
- 22:47Speaker 1: do you think the book costs. I'll tell you. You can
- 22:50Speaker 1: get the book for twenty ten dollars on kindle or
- 22:54Speaker 1: twenty bucks on paperback.
- 22:56Speaker 4: And wow, that's expensive.
- 22:57Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 22:58Speaker 1: Other thing that. Here's another thing too. So I think
- 23:01Speaker 1: that this is like the way these people operate. Okay,
- 23:04Speaker 1: they are allergic to accountability, but they definitely want action.
- 23:09Speaker 1: So what he does is he writes the book and
- 23:12Speaker 1: he acts like a mild mannered, you know, college professor,
- 23:15Speaker 1: an intellectual. He's like, I don't engage in any anti
- 23:19Speaker 1: fascist action. I don't go to protests. I don't participate
- 23:22Speaker 1: in any of the of the violence of the riots.
- 23:24Speaker 1: In fact, I don't even think that's happening, or if
- 23:26Speaker 1: it is, it's not because of my book. But a
- 23:29Speaker 1: portion of the prophets from the book goes to anti
- 23:33Speaker 1: fascist organizations. They go to supporting the legal battles of antifas.
- 23:38Speaker 1: So they go they don't go to Antifa soldiers on
- 23:41Speaker 1: the floor. They go to the lawyers that protect them.
- 23:45Speaker 1: And if you look at like, for example, the governments
- 23:49Speaker 1: of states like Washington or Oregon, they're completely infiltrated with
- 23:55Speaker 1: these people.
- 23:56Speaker 2: So it's not just like the.
- 23:58Speaker 1: Guys in the black that are, you know, wearing masks
- 24:01Speaker 1: and throwing Molotov cocktails. It's like the lawyers, it's the
- 24:05Speaker 1: it's people in the government, it's people in the courts,
- 24:08Speaker 1: it's the judges, like it's it's everywhere.
- 24:11Speaker 2: So his book's money goes toward.
- 24:14Speaker 1: That's why I showed you guys Keith Ellison. By the way,
- 24:18Speaker 1: this guy's in Minneapolis. Like Minnesota isn't even as paused
- 24:22Speaker 1: as like Washington, Oregon and California is like not nearly
- 24:28Speaker 1: as pause. But this is mainstream for these people. So
- 24:32Speaker 1: the guy himself probably not breaking any laws, but his
- 24:37Speaker 1: the way these people operate is it's always like this,
- 24:40Speaker 1: you know, stochastic way of doing things. Right, he writes
- 24:43Speaker 1: a book, he puts some opinions in it. It's it's
- 24:45Speaker 1: apparently full of like comi buzzwords.
- 24:48Speaker 2: There's no.
- 24:51Speaker 1: There's no like you know, like formulas or it doesn't
- 24:54Speaker 1: teach you how to make bombs or anything like that.
- 24:56Speaker 2: But What it does do is it.
- 24:58Speaker 1: Affirms I'll read one of the reviews on Amazon. Okay,
- 25:04Speaker 1: Militant Marxist, this is a negative review. By the way,
- 25:06Speaker 1: most of them are positive reviews. So because people are
- 25:08Speaker 1: stupid or there are people running cover for this book.
- 25:12Speaker 1: So one of the negative ones. Militant Marxist communists rebranding
- 25:17Speaker 1: themselves is anti fascists to provide a more respectable image.
- 25:20Speaker 1: Definition of fascism obscured and altered to include patriarchy, racism, authoritarianism, capitalism, nationalism, meritocracy, etc.
- 25:30Speaker 1: Author's definition can apply to all forms of any government.
- 25:32Speaker 1: Since the formation of civilization, definition can also apply to
- 25:36Speaker 1: antifa itself. Author rejects Western liberal notions of free speech
- 25:40Speaker 1: and democracy. Assumes anti fascists have the right to no
- 25:43Speaker 1: platform fascist speakers, regardless of the institution that gave the
- 25:47Speaker 1: speaker that platform. It makes delusional claims of moral superiority
- 25:51Speaker 1: to fascists because of recent history. Ignores murders orchestrated by
- 25:55Speaker 1: Stalin and Mao that make Hitler look like a saint.
- 25:58Speaker 1: I've read everything Mars, including some personal letters, and there
- 26:02Speaker 1: isn't space to refute the discredited and obsolete ideology advocated
- 26:06Speaker 1: by this author, So you know again it's it's it
- 26:11Speaker 1: is not a handbook in the sense that it has instructions.
- 26:15Speaker 1: It's just a piece of agit prop designed to get
- 26:20Speaker 1: stupid people to think that their resentment towards people who
- 26:23Speaker 1: have more is justified, and it basically excuses that by
- 26:27Speaker 1: making these arguments from systemic oppression or whatever. And the
- 26:31Speaker 1: fact that he ran away to Spain because his views
- 26:35Speaker 1: were exposed as being unpopular based on the results of
- 26:38Speaker 1: the recent election, that only further cements things. And you know,
- 26:42Speaker 1: Spain is probably not that unsafe for him, to be honest,
- 26:45Speaker 1: because it's probably one of, if not the most feminist
- 26:48Speaker 1: country in the world, and that means just the most leftists.
- 26:51Speaker 1: So he's probably gonna be safe. And I mean unless
- 26:55Speaker 1: you know they they I don't know, like he gets
- 26:58Speaker 1: I don't even know that they're coming after him legally.
- 27:00Speaker 1: He just ran away and claimed he was being harassed
- 27:04Speaker 1: and received death threats.
- 27:06Speaker 4: So yeah, that's that still makes me wonder did he
- 27:08Speaker 4: do something else and he's just using the situation because
- 27:14Speaker 4: this doesn't sound like something that you would have to
- 27:16Speaker 4: flee the country over at all.
- 27:19Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.
- 27:21Speaker 3: Maybe I wonder if he's some kind of sex pest.
- 27:24Speaker 3: It's not like a communist or a male feminist to
- 27:28Speaker 3: be some kind of sex pest. And that's what I'm saying.
- 27:31Speaker 3: If you, if you go into Spain, you're gonna have
- 27:34Speaker 3: to hold back on your sex pastory because for sure,
- 27:37Speaker 3: like I say, you're gonna get fucked up every orifice
- 27:42Speaker 3: if you if you so much as breathe in the
- 27:45Speaker 3: wrong direction in Spain. So yeah, you may have fucked
- 27:49Speaker 3: yourself there. Mark.
- 27:51Speaker 4: If he's in Spain, he doesn't have to be a
- 27:52Speaker 4: sex pest. He just has to.
- 27:56Speaker 2: Do is that?
- 27:57Speaker 4: So what he doesn't have to he doesn't have to
- 27:59Speaker 4: do anything, He just to be male in public.
- 28:02Speaker 2: That's basically.
- 28:04Speaker 4: Feminists are so horrible.
- 28:07Speaker 1: Uh, They're.
- 28:10Speaker 4: They're incredibly touchy, and they've gotten laws passed that are
- 28:17Speaker 4: the stuff that we're complaining about in the in the
- 28:19Speaker 4: UK looks like, uh, you know, a playdate. In comparison
- 28:25Speaker 4: to the way that feminists in Spain have gotten the
- 28:28Speaker 4: laws they're changed, it's insane.
- 28:31Speaker 1: Yeah, well, anyway, so this is I'm gonna just say
- 28:37Speaker 1: this is good news insofar as at least this isn't
- 28:40Speaker 1: like mainstream. I mean, yeah, the school is going to
- 28:43Speaker 1: try to protect him, and that's fine, but remember this,
- 28:47Speaker 1: this is another thing that I think it's worth thinking about.
- 28:49Speaker 1: The school is invoking freedom of speech to protect someone
- 28:53Speaker 1: who doesn't believe in freedom of speech, like he looked
- 28:56Speaker 1: in the book says that you should not give like.
- 28:59Speaker 1: It's essentially the Karl Popper you know, paradox of tolerance,
- 29:05Speaker 1: where to essentially Carl Popper argued that you should not
- 29:08Speaker 1: tolerate the intolerant. Of course, he was doing that so
- 29:11Speaker 1: that he could like essentially have control over the you know,
- 29:15Speaker 1: the town square, so that he can, like no longer
- 29:18Speaker 1: he could ban or otherwise censor people who he doesn't like.
- 29:22Speaker 1: And yeah, the commies are all about that because they
- 29:25Speaker 1: don't care about hypocrisy. They care about hierarchy. They care
- 29:28Speaker 1: about who has the power. If it's them, guess what,
- 29:30Speaker 1: they make the rules. So yeah, anyway, so he left,
- 29:35Speaker 1: and I don't know what's gonna happen with that, but
- 29:37Speaker 1: I thought it was worth following up, especially since the
- 29:40Speaker 1: whole country was on fire by these people and continues
- 29:44Speaker 1: to be to some degree, So I thought.
- 29:47Speaker 2: It was worth a follow up story.
- 29:49Speaker 3: So it was nice of us not to allude to
- 29:51Speaker 3: the no King's protest, but we kind of did, didn't we.
- 29:54Speaker 2: Well, the boomer hippie protest.
- 29:56Speaker 1: Yeah whatever, I mean, I was more like, yeah, I
- 29:59Speaker 1: mean that was nothing burger anyway, and I'm guess I'm
- 30:02Speaker 1: glad about that. But it's just more affirmation that, you know,
- 30:05Speaker 1: the they're they're they're not as strong as they appear
- 30:10Speaker 1: to be or at they might seem. So this is
- 30:13Speaker 1: this is just what I think. I mean, We'll to
- 30:15Speaker 1: see who knows. But yeah, anyway, in.
- 30:18Speaker 4: The meantime, good riddance to bad rubbish into to Spain.
- 30:23Speaker 4: We apologize for the dumping of trash in your your
- 30:28Speaker 4: country there.
- 30:30Speaker 1: Yeah all right, So anyway, let's move on to the
- 30:34Speaker 1: next one. I got some super chows I should look at,
- 30:37Speaker 1: and then we'll move on to the next story. So
- 30:40Speaker 1: we got one this way?
- 30:42Speaker 2: Is it yesterday? No? Two days ago?
- 30:45Speaker 1: I guess I should read it because I don't know
- 30:47Speaker 1: if Allison did. But we got one on Sunday at
- 30:53Speaker 1: ten pm two and it is from Morning Glory Milking
- 30:57Speaker 1: Farm projection for five dollars and they say I thought
- 31:00Speaker 1: something funny A few days ago. Do women have a
- 31:02Speaker 1: subconscious sexual fantasy as described by Morning Glory Milking Farm,
- 31:07Speaker 1: where they project this image of mythological godlike beings unto
- 31:10Speaker 1: men and then find themselves upset that men aren't the superhumans?
- 31:14Speaker 1: In other words, are women sexually frustrated by their own
- 31:16Speaker 1: unrealistic expectations. Maybe these expectations were better fulfilled before than
- 31:21Speaker 1: the nineteenth Hope this super child gives you all a
- 31:24Speaker 1: slight chuckle, have a good one. Well, thank you for then,
- 31:27Speaker 1: I now just put that stupid book in my head again.
- 31:30Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fairly subconscious at this point, especially in light
- 31:34Speaker 3: of Morning Glory Milk.
- 31:36Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like, what what do you mean subconscious?
- 31:41Speaker 4: And at this point, yeah, there's a there's a bit
- 31:45Speaker 4: of truth to that though, and it's we don't have
- 31:52Speaker 4: the physical strength of men who are the same size
- 31:55Speaker 4: as we are. And I'm saying this from the perspective
- 31:59Speaker 4: of a gal that was taller than almost all of
- 32:02Speaker 4: the other gals in my class by the time I
- 32:03Speaker 4: was thirteen. I wasn't necessarily physically stronger than all of them,
- 32:10Speaker 4: but and in fact, there were there were gals that
- 32:12Speaker 4: were a lot stronger than me. But the strongest of
- 32:15Speaker 4: them still could be overpowered by about half the guys
- 32:21Speaker 4: we knew. And you know, to us it is like
- 32:26Speaker 4: a superpower when there's an object that we can't move
- 32:32Speaker 4: at all and one of you picks it up and
- 32:36Speaker 4: you know, tots it like it's nothing, and being picked
- 32:41Speaker 4: up physically lifted up off the ground as if we
- 32:45Speaker 4: don't present difficulty. Lifting is another one like that does
- 32:52Speaker 4: seem like a superhuman power to us because most of
- 32:55Speaker 4: us don't have it. And you know, again, like I'm
- 33:00Speaker 4: I'm from the perspective of someone I used to lift
- 33:03Speaker 4: people when I worked in nursing homes when I was younger,
- 33:07Speaker 4: but my limit was still lower than the men that
- 33:10Speaker 4: I worked with in terms of how big of a
- 33:13Speaker 4: person I could lift, how much somebody could weigh, and
- 33:17Speaker 4: I could lift them by myself, and you know whether
- 33:22Speaker 4: or not I was a little bit injured after that.
- 33:27Speaker 4: And so it does to a lot of women. There's
- 33:31Speaker 4: there's some somewhat of a tendency to be mystified by
- 33:37Speaker 4: things that men are able to do. But I don't
- 33:41Speaker 4: think that's the whole story, right, Most girls never face
- 33:48Speaker 4: the level of accountability even once they reached the age
- 33:51Speaker 4: of womanhood. They never faced the level of accountability for
- 33:56Speaker 4: themselves that a man does, even that a boy does
- 34:01Speaker 4: at say, the age of sixteen. Most most women don't
- 34:07Speaker 4: have to be any more responsible for themselves than a
- 34:11Speaker 4: fourteen year old boy. By that, I mean if I
- 34:16Speaker 4: had married a guy that didn't have an ex wife
- 34:22Speaker 4: and a child support payment to make, and I had
- 34:28Speaker 4: just relied on his income and called myself a homemaker,
- 34:35Speaker 4: and whether I did a good job at it or
- 34:37Speaker 4: a bad job at it, it wouldn't wouldn't have mattered.
- 34:41Speaker 4: I could have done that, and people would have not
- 34:44Speaker 4: called me a deadbeat for that. They wouldn't have suggested
- 34:48Speaker 4: that I was dead weight in the marriage. They wouldn't
- 34:51Speaker 4: have suggested that I wasn't living up to my potential.
- 34:55Speaker 4: They wouldn't have suggested that I wasn't exercising accountability for myself.
- 35:01Speaker 4: They would have suggested that I was doing what women
- 35:04Speaker 4: normally do, and I had a perfectly respectable lifestyle, and
- 35:13Speaker 4: it was his job to support that lifestyle and my
- 35:18Speaker 4: job to take care of the home. And you know, men,
- 35:22Speaker 4: if men did that, they would get called dead beats.
- 35:25Speaker 4: They would get called dead weight, They would be accused
- 35:29Speaker 4: of mooching off of a woman, they would be called weak.
- 35:32Speaker 4: They get they get ridiculed for it. My husband is
- 35:37Speaker 4: a better homemaker than I am. I'm not a good housekeeper.
- 35:44Speaker 4: My house looks like a train wreck right now. I'm
- 35:48Speaker 4: a I'm a decent cook. But he's a better cook
- 35:51Speaker 4: than I am. And you know, there's a lot of
- 35:55Speaker 4: stuff like that that he's better at than I am.
- 35:58Speaker 4: And if we had a situation where we had a
- 36:03Speaker 4: disabled kid, or we had eight kids, uh, you know,
- 36:08Speaker 4: or something along those lines where it would make sense
- 36:11Speaker 4: for one person to work in the other person to
- 36:15Speaker 4: manage all of the complexity of the home, he would
- 36:20Speaker 4: have been better at it than me. But if he
- 36:23Speaker 4: had done that and I had maintained my workaholic status, uh,
- 36:28Speaker 4: there would have been every every side of our our
- 36:32Speaker 4: social environment would have come down on us for it.
- 36:37Speaker 4: Our families, our friends, everybody in my workplace. You know,
- 36:44Speaker 4: any any guy that he knew, like, there would have
- 36:47Speaker 4: been this combination of you know, what what's that guy doing?
- 36:52Speaker 4: You know, can't he can't he work, can't he handle
- 36:55Speaker 4: a job? You know, things like that, and you know,
- 36:59Speaker 4: act like he was living the easy life. Whereas when
- 37:04Speaker 4: a woman does it, we get told it's the hardest
- 37:06Speaker 4: job anyone's ever done by people who have probably never
- 37:11Speaker 4: ever even looked at the inside of a sewer or
- 37:17Speaker 4: the inside of the the a a garbage truck, or
- 37:24Speaker 4: dealt with the fun aspects of working as a gastro
- 37:29Speaker 4: entrologist or a infectious disease specialist or an oncologist who
- 37:37Speaker 4: has to tell people they're going to die, Like, I
- 37:40Speaker 4: don't think it's the hardest job, right, So women women
- 37:43Speaker 4: get this combination of unaccountability and ego stroking and lack
- 37:54Speaker 4: of awareness of other people's lives. Like when they see
- 38:02Speaker 4: men handling things that women are not raised to be
- 38:09Speaker 4: equipped to handle and may not be naturally equipped to handle,
- 38:13Speaker 4: it does look like this mystical, magical superpower, especially when
- 38:20Speaker 4: they're completely unaware of their lack of accountability and they
- 38:25Speaker 4: see men taking accountability for things that you know, they
- 38:30Speaker 4: wouldn't even consider much less take accountability for. I don't know,
- 38:38Speaker 4: it's it's it's more that I think than the physical stuff.
- 38:43Speaker 4: So yeah, that's why women treat men like gods and
- 38:46Speaker 4: then get disappointed when they turn out to be human.
- 38:50Speaker 3: And if anyone needs any context as to what Morning
- 38:53Speaker 3: Glory Milking Farm is. Nope, I'm not going to offer
- 38:57Speaker 3: any explanation, and I would implore my co hosts not
- 39:00Speaker 3: to offer any explanation either. You're gonna have to look
- 39:02Speaker 3: it up.
- 39:03Speaker 4: Don't look it up.
- 39:05Speaker 3: Don't look it up, and let's just move on.
- 39:10Speaker 2: Let's please just yeah, we're gonna move on.
- 39:13Speaker 1: So I also got a super child from Green Indoors
- 39:15Speaker 1: for five dollars and he didn't say anything.
- 39:18Speaker 2: So I don't know if that was a mistake. But
- 39:21Speaker 2: if it wasn't, thank you.
- 39:23Speaker 1: If it was a tag at Badger live Streams in
- 39:26Speaker 1: a comment with what it is you actually wanted to say,
- 39:29Speaker 1: and I will read it after the next story. So
- 39:32Speaker 1: we're gonna move on to the next one. Let us know,
- 39:34Speaker 1: you guys think about this one in the comments, all right.
- 39:37Speaker 1: So you know, just as a little bit of a
- 39:41Speaker 1: setup for this, there was some changes made in I
- 39:46Speaker 1: think it was Tennessee where they basically passed an equal
- 39:52Speaker 1: shared parenting law, which well, it.
- 39:56Speaker 2: Wasn't like a fourth thing.
- 39:58Speaker 1: It was basically like treating equal shared parenting as the
- 40:01Speaker 1: default when a child custody case comes up.
- 40:05Speaker 4: It's the difficulty shared parenting law, and it allows usually
- 40:09Speaker 4: it's the typical equally shared parenting law. It usually allows
- 40:13Speaker 4: if there's mitigating circumstances, the judge can make a different decision.
- 40:17Speaker 4: If the couple wants to make a different agreement, they can.
- 40:20Speaker 4: If you know, somebody wants to fight for a different circumstance,
- 40:24Speaker 4: you know they can. They can do that. It's just
- 40:27Speaker 4: if the couple decides in their divorce to go with
- 40:30Speaker 4: the state default. The state default is equally shared parenting,
- 40:35Speaker 4: and that's that's the template for equally shared parenting laws
- 40:39Speaker 4: across the nation.
- 40:42Speaker 1: Right, So in if I remember correctly, and it's either
- 40:47Speaker 1: Tennessee or Kentucky, there was a great like basically there
- 40:53Speaker 1: was a They were looking at the divorce rates from
- 40:57Speaker 1: the from the time that the the law was changed,
- 41:01Speaker 1: and filings of divorce declined by twenty five percent, which
- 41:07Speaker 1: outpays the national average of eighteen percent after they started
- 41:11Speaker 1: from essentially like default shared parenting as the you know,
- 41:15Speaker 1: when there is a divorce, so which means when the
- 41:19Speaker 1: women don't think they're going to get the kids and
- 41:21Speaker 1: all of the other stuff that comes with that, like
- 41:23Speaker 1: child support, they're less likely to divorce their husbands, So
- 41:28Speaker 1: it's almost like the incentive to divorce is reduced, and
- 41:31Speaker 1: as a consequence of that, it looks like a number
- 41:33Speaker 1: of other states are at the very least examining or
- 41:38Speaker 1: moving on that path of starting to re examine the
- 41:43Speaker 1: child custody laws to assume essentially, like you know, shared
- 41:49Speaker 1: parenting as a default. So following that lead, Arizona has
- 41:54Speaker 1: long emphasized shared parenting through its twenty twelve reforms under
- 42:00Speaker 1: ARS and twenty five four H three point zero two,
- 42:06Speaker 1: which mandates courts to adopt parenting plans maximizing each parent's
- 42:10Speaker 1: time with the child consistent with the child's best interests
- 42:13Speaker 1: while avoiding gender based preferences. In twenty twenty five, HB
- 42:17Speaker 1: two two ninety six was introduced to further strengthen these provisions,
- 42:21Speaker 1: explicitly requiring shared legal decision making and equal parenting time
- 42:25Speaker 1: unless rebutted, alongside mandatory mediation for custody disputes to reduce
- 42:31Speaker 1: court battles. This bills on the state's preference for near
- 42:34Speaker 1: equal splits, with courts prioritizing emotional and physical child health.
- 42:40Speaker 1: As of October of this year, the bill remains in
- 42:42Speaker 1: legislative review, but twenty twenty five family law updates have
- 42:46Speaker 1: already integrated modern child support adjustments for shared arrangements, signaling
- 42:51Speaker 1: ongoing momentum towards presumption based equality. Pennsylvania's reforms so this
- 42:57Speaker 1: is basically specifically about Pennsylvania and Arizona because they're like
- 43:00Speaker 1: the furthest along, even though there are other states looking
- 43:03Speaker 1: into this as well, are accelerating with House Bill three
- 43:06Speaker 1: seventy eight, signed to law on June thirtieth, twenty twenty five,
- 43:09Speaker 1: effective August twenty ninth, which streamlines child custody factors from
- 43:13Speaker 1: sixteen to twelve, consolidating elements like parental cooperation and alienation risks.
- 43:19Speaker 1: To better support shared arrangements, Courts must now provide written
- 43:22Speaker 1: custody factors to parties within thirty days of filing, promoting
- 43:26Speaker 1: transparency and negotiation towards equal time. A related push via
- 43:31Speaker 1: Representative Jamie Flick's amendment for a fifty to fifty presumption
- 43:35Speaker 1: narrowly failed one hundred and three to ninety nine, so
- 43:39Speaker 1: there was like one hundred and three in favor in
- 43:40Speaker 1: ninety nine against, but garnered bipartisan support, highlighting growing advocacy
- 43:45Speaker 1: for default, shared custody absent unfitness. HB fourteen twelve also
- 43:50Speaker 1: eases modifications to existing orders without proving material changes in
- 43:55Speaker 1: key scenarios, facilitating adjustments for balance parenting. These changes aligned
- 43:59Speaker 1: with national trends, as Pennsylvania's guidelines already adjust support for
- 44:04Speaker 1: forty percent plus overnights, but full presumption legislation remains pending
- 44:09Speaker 1: for twenty twenty six. And so I thought, because I'm
- 44:14Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I apologize which state it was? It was
- 44:16Speaker 1: either Tennessee or Kentucky that I think it might have
- 44:19Speaker 1: been Kentucky that had a significant drop in divorce filings
- 44:25Speaker 1: after the shared parenting or the presumption of fifty to
- 44:28Speaker 1: fifty parenting went through. And there's a YouTube where you
- 44:32Speaker 1: guys probably heard of, named Alexander Grace. I was talking
- 44:34Speaker 1: to Mike about this before the show started, who typically
- 44:38Speaker 1: talks only about you know, like dating stuff and like sex,
- 44:42Speaker 1: like you know, female dynamics and things like that. But
- 44:46Speaker 1: he has lately been making more and more videos talking
- 44:49Speaker 1: about men's issues because he's seeing a lot of you know,
- 44:54Speaker 1: like the modern women online like complaining about men and
- 44:57Speaker 1: dogging on men and missionry kind of mainstreamed, and he's
- 45:01Speaker 1: been taking more and more of an interest in the
- 45:04Speaker 1: men's issue space. And so he actually said that he
- 45:08Speaker 1: saw like the you know that data of the when
- 45:12Speaker 1: you when you basically give fifty to fifty custody, by default,
- 45:17Speaker 1: women are far less likely or significantly less likely to
- 45:22Speaker 1: file for divorce, and so they're more likely to work
- 45:25Speaker 1: with their partner and in order to like essentially you know,
- 45:29Speaker 1: try to like make it work out for the child
- 45:32Speaker 1: instead of simply filing.
- 45:33Speaker 2: The divorce papers.
- 45:34Speaker 1: So and he said that we owe the men's rights
- 45:37Speaker 1: guys a great a great gratitude and for you know,
- 45:42Speaker 1: the work that we've been doing, which has been thankless largely,
- 45:46Speaker 1: and so I just wanted to say we got a
- 45:47Speaker 1: little bit of a shout out, and I'm glad this
- 45:49Speaker 1: is happening. And uh yeah, so I want to like
- 45:52Speaker 1: leave it to you guys to give your thoughts.
- 45:55Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 45:56Speaker 3: I'm not sure what to make of this one, but
- 45:58Speaker 3: if it's if in any part, removing some of the
- 46:01Speaker 3: incentive for women to divorce their husbands and retain full
- 46:04Speaker 3: custody of the children, it sounds like a good idea.
- 46:08Speaker 3: I think the reason there are so many divorces and
- 46:10Speaker 3: so many children raised by single mothers. It stems from
- 46:15Speaker 3: the same reason, the fact that women have this incentive.
- 46:20Speaker 3: I think if men were instead given this incentive, they
- 46:24Speaker 3: would probably capitalize on it as well, for one of
- 46:28Speaker 3: a better word, At least largely, we're only human, all
- 46:32Speaker 3: of us, and we're driven by incentives more than we're
- 46:36Speaker 3: driven by this concept of rights. I mean, animals don't
- 46:41Speaker 3: interact with each other based on rights, do they. They
- 46:46Speaker 3: don't have a concept of rights. Only humans have a
- 46:49Speaker 3: concept of rights. As much as we should consider the
- 46:54Speaker 3: only real rights to be the right to be essentially
- 46:58Speaker 3: left alone, the right to have your body to yourself
- 47:02Speaker 3: and not be mutilated, your property to yourself and not
- 47:06Speaker 3: be stolen, and indeed, your children to yourself and not
- 47:09Speaker 3: be stolen or mutilated. The concept of rights is too
- 47:16Speaker 3: easily misinterpreted as the right to be given free shit
- 47:21Speaker 3: at other people's expense. But every living creature evolves and
- 47:26Speaker 3: adapts based on incentives, and that's really what we mean
- 47:31Speaker 3: when it comes to being given free shit. Women don't
- 47:35Speaker 3: deserve any of the free shit they're being given, and
- 47:38Speaker 3: they wouldn't crave it were it not given to them.
- 47:43Speaker 3: By the government. It's like any other addiction. Prehistoric humans
- 47:49Speaker 3: were not afforded any of these addictions. They were never
- 47:54Speaker 3: addicted to drugs, because no drug is so abundant in
- 47:57Speaker 3: the prehistoric world as to be as to become an addiction.
- 48:01Speaker 3: Not even sugar. The only sugar we could get in
- 48:04Speaker 3: the prehistoric world was in the form of fruit, and
- 48:08Speaker 3: even fruit was only available scarcely and seasonally, and complete
- 48:17Speaker 3: and exclusive access to your children was never afforded to
- 48:21Speaker 3: us in the scarce environment in which we evolved. And
- 48:25Speaker 3: in the same way, it was never normal for women
- 48:28Speaker 3: to have exclusive access to their children, or even the
- 48:32Speaker 3: lion's share of that access, not for as long as
- 48:36Speaker 3: we've been Homo sapiens, or even many of its precursors.
- 48:42Speaker 3: It's only the advent of a romantic, chival ric society
- 48:47Speaker 3: and a government that upholds it, that that has seen
- 48:52Speaker 3: fit to exclude fathers from such basic Dare I say rights?
- 49:01Speaker 3: So yeah, maybe maybe less knock that ship back of
- 49:05Speaker 3: wrong a wrong or two. It's not normal. It's an
- 49:09Speaker 3: affected quirk of modernity that's only upheld by a series
- 49:16Speaker 3: of agreed upon lies.
- 49:20Speaker 2: I don't know.
- 49:21Speaker 3: I don't have much more to say on that this
- 49:22Speaker 3: isn't really my forte because it's because it's all uh
- 49:27Speaker 3: legal stuff. I'll let Hannah get into it. This sounds
- 49:30Speaker 3: like Hanna.
- 49:30Speaker 4: I actually I actually wrote an article about this a
- 49:35Speaker 4: while back, and I think we've done a few shows
- 49:37Speaker 4: on it. But it's it's it's interesting historically when men
- 49:42Speaker 4: did have more legal rights in regard to their children
- 49:49Speaker 4: than women did. Men didn't divorce their wives left and right.
- 49:55Speaker 4: But we also didn't have no fault divorce, and so
- 50:00Speaker 4: if you just abandoned the marriage without cause, you had
- 50:06Speaker 4: some sort of penalties. You might still have to pay
- 50:08Speaker 4: maintenance unless your your ex wife remarried. So so there
- 50:16Speaker 4: is that, But they still didn't lose custody of the children.
- 50:20Speaker 4: They could take the children and go and they would
- 50:25Speaker 4: have to they would have to pay maintenance and and
- 50:29Speaker 4: so on, but they might they still might be able
- 50:32Speaker 4: to monopolize time with the kids, and they didn't do it.
- 50:38Speaker 4: In the meantime, parental alienation is something that is done
- 50:43Speaker 4: far more by women than by men today, and it's
- 50:48Speaker 4: partly because it's far more difficult for a man to
- 50:53Speaker 4: succeed at it. But that's not really the only reason.
- 50:58Speaker 4: When men want to be aggressive, they're usually more physically
- 51:05Speaker 4: aggressive or economically aggressive. When women want to be aggressive,
- 51:10Speaker 4: they're usually more relationally aggressive, and so they're more likely
- 51:16Speaker 4: to do things like using false allegations to try to
- 51:20Speaker 4: win custody battles and things like that. But this type
- 51:25Speaker 4: of legislation is becoming more common across the country, and
- 51:31Speaker 4: that is a good thing. The people who are lobbying
- 51:36Speaker 4: for that legislation desperately need you. They need you to
- 51:41Speaker 4: write to your legislators about the importance of dual custody,
- 51:47Speaker 4: of equally shared parenting, and the importance of maintaining a
- 51:54Speaker 4: father's ability to parent his children not just with his wallet,
- 52:00Speaker 4: but with his mentorship and his presence, his nurturing and
- 52:05Speaker 4: love and care being, the strength that his children see,
- 52:11Speaker 4: and the accountability that his children see. And yeah, financial
- 52:16Speaker 4: abuse is majority female Gabriel and it's done in a
- 52:21Speaker 4: way that most people don't recognize as abuse. Right. They
- 52:28Speaker 4: recognize it as financial abuse if a husband earns all
- 52:32Speaker 4: the money and objects to the wife getting a job
- 52:37Speaker 4: but then won't let her spend, you know, have any
- 52:41Speaker 4: spending control, right, but they don't recognize it as abuse.
- 52:45Speaker 4: If the husband earns all the money and the wife
- 52:50Speaker 4: gets six or seven credit cards in both of their
- 52:53Speaker 4: names and runs up sixty thousand dollars in debt when
- 52:58Speaker 4: that's more than he makes annually, it should be recognized
- 53:03Speaker 4: as abuse if she does that, but it's not. They
- 53:07Speaker 4: don't recognize it as abuse if if she runs them
- 53:11Speaker 4: into debt under other circumstances, either you know, whether it's
- 53:16Speaker 4: it's medical bills that are you know, from hypochondria or
- 53:22Speaker 4: just you know, gambling. Like women have run up debts
- 53:27Speaker 4: on their husbands in a variety of ways and then
- 53:32Speaker 4: done nothing to contribute to paying them off, right, And
- 53:36Speaker 4: so there are sneaky ways that don't get counted. And
- 53:40Speaker 4: I think if those things got counted, you would probably
- 53:43Speaker 4: see more like ninety percent of it being female perpetrated
- 53:49Speaker 4: and ten percent male perpetrated. But since that's not the case,
- 53:55Speaker 4: you know, and and well, we see things like, well,
- 53:58Speaker 4: most debt is in men's names, therefore men are the
- 54:02Speaker 4: ones that are irresponsible spenders. But we never look at
- 54:05Speaker 4: things like the yeah, the credit cards in his name,
- 54:08Speaker 4: but whose signature is on all the receipts? Because when
- 54:12Speaker 4: you sign, you sign your own name. And of course
- 54:15Speaker 4: now it's even easier because all you have to do
- 54:18Speaker 4: is run it through a machine at the cash register
- 54:21Speaker 4: or use it online and put in the little three
- 54:26Speaker 4: digit number on the back. And nobody's signature is on
- 54:29Speaker 4: the receipts, so you don't know who spent the money.
- 54:32Speaker 4: You know that it's in his name, so it is.
- 54:38Speaker 4: It is definitely. But that's that's not the type of
- 54:42Speaker 4: financial aggression I'm talking about. Like men. You know, men,
- 54:48Speaker 4: when they're aggressive, they're usually not trying to beat down
- 54:53Speaker 4: a woman, and they'll they'll buy their way into somebody's
- 54:57Speaker 4: company and then take over, you know, things like that.
- 55:00Speaker 4: That's it's not the same put everything in his name. Poor.
- 55:07Speaker 4: There's the story that just circulated online of the guy
- 55:10Speaker 4: that put everything in his mother's name so his wife
- 55:13Speaker 4: couldn't sue sue him for it in the divorce, which
- 55:15Speaker 4: I thought was brilliant. But in any case, there's a
- 55:20Speaker 4: there's a major history of the National Organization for Women
- 55:24Speaker 4: fighting against these types of laws. So when I say
- 55:27Speaker 4: these people need you to write to your legislators, I
- 55:33Speaker 4: really mean it, like, make sure that the people who
- 55:37Speaker 4: are involved in passing laws in your state know that
- 55:42Speaker 4: the people of your state want the children of your
- 55:45Speaker 4: state to have the benefit of both parents and the
- 55:49Speaker 4: benefit of in particular, not being raised in fatherless homes.
- 55:56Speaker 4: Send them the information you can find online. The shoot,
- 56:03Speaker 4: I can't think of the name of it, the Fatherhood Initiative,
- 56:09Speaker 4: has quite a bit of research that you could send them.
- 56:13Speaker 4: And I believe they have a website that their name
- 56:18Speaker 4: is in the website name, and I haven't looked it
- 56:21Speaker 4: up in quite a while, but I will say, like
- 56:26Speaker 4: the National Organization for Women has fought paternal custody going
- 56:32Speaker 4: all the way back to in the nineteen seventies when
- 56:38Speaker 4: joint custody was under discussion as opposed to the mother
- 56:46Speaker 4: being considered the primary caregiver and therefore the primary custodial
- 56:49Speaker 4: parent and or the custodial parent. And they've fought that
- 56:58Speaker 4: all the way through to today when it's equally shared parenting,
- 57:04Speaker 4: and they made the same arguments the whole time. Their
- 57:08Speaker 4: arguments portray all men equally as dead beats, abusers and
- 57:15Speaker 4: liars and cheats that are just trying to get out
- 57:18Speaker 4: of paying child support by monopolizing time with the children,
- 57:23Speaker 4: as opposed to you know, women who are monopolizing time
- 57:27Speaker 4: with the children not to get that child support apparently
- 57:33Speaker 4: so their their argument basically is that women love their
- 57:37Speaker 4: children and men don't love their children and they just
- 57:41Speaker 4: use them for money in the meantime. There they argue
- 57:47Speaker 4: that men men are are going to abuse the children
- 57:51Speaker 4: if they have custody, any custody at all. They argue
- 57:54Speaker 4: that men are going to abuse the mother if the
- 57:58Speaker 4: mother is forced to share custody, and they argue that
- 58:02Speaker 4: men will use custody to get out of child support,
- 58:07Speaker 4: even though women who owe child support are more likely
- 58:12Speaker 4: to not pay it than men who owe child support.
- 58:16Speaker 4: Women who who owe child support are more likely to
- 58:24Speaker 4: owe less than the men because they earn less, and
- 58:30Speaker 4: women who don't have custody are more likely to not
- 58:34Speaker 4: visit their kids than men who don't have custody. Meanwhile,
- 58:42Speaker 4: when men don't have custody and women do, about forty
- 58:47Speaker 4: percent of mothers In one study here in it was
- 58:54Speaker 4: reported in Frequency of Visitation by divorced Fathers Differences in
- 58:59Speaker 4: reports by fathers and mothers by Sanford H. Braver and
- 59:04Speaker 4: Group that about forty percent of mothers had reported that
- 59:12Speaker 4: they had interfered with the non custodial father's visitation on
- 59:16Speaker 4: at least one occasion to punish their ex spouse, so
- 59:21Speaker 4: not because it was bad for the kids, but because
- 59:24Speaker 4: mom was mad at dad. Between twenty five and thirty
- 59:29Speaker 4: three percent of mothers denied visits. Altogether, ninety percent of
- 59:34Speaker 4: the violence and kidnapping that they'd seen in this study
- 59:38Speaker 4: was sole custody situations in which the sole custodial parent
- 59:43Speaker 4: feared losing custody status. So equally, shared parenting rights protect
- 59:51Speaker 4: kids' lives, they protect kid's access to the other parent,
- 59:57Speaker 4: and they make it more difficult for the other parent
- 1:00:04Speaker 4: for the agitating parent the alienating parent to alienate the child. Similarly,
- 1:00:14Speaker 4: in in Surviving the Breakup by Joan Berlin Kelly and
- 1:00:22Speaker 4: Judith A. Wallerstein, it was reported that perhaps half of
- 1:00:27Speaker 4: mother's valued the father's continued contact with the children, which
- 1:00:31Speaker 4: means about the other half didn't. One fifth saw no
- 1:00:35Speaker 4: value in this whatsoever and actively tried to sabotage the
- 1:00:38Speaker 4: meetings by sending the children away just before the father's arrival,
- 1:00:42Speaker 4: by insisting that the child was ill or had pressing
- 1:00:44Speaker 4: homework to do, by making a scene, or by leaving
- 1:00:47Speaker 4: the children with the husband and disappearing, And then in
- 1:00:51Speaker 4: between was a large group of women that had many
- 1:00:55Speaker 4: mixed feelings about the father's visits, resenting the father's gift
- 1:00:58Speaker 4: giving his freedom from domestic responsibilities, which is bullshit, because
- 1:01:06Speaker 4: when the kids are with the dad, he has domestic responsibilities.
- 1:01:11Speaker 4: And these irritations were expressed in their difficulties in accommodating
- 1:01:18Speaker 4: the different schedules of the other parent to make the
- 1:01:20Speaker 4: visit possible and to protect the child's access to both parents,
- 1:01:24Speaker 4: so they would forget appointments and so on. They would
- 1:01:29Speaker 4: insist on rigid schedules for the visits, refuse to permit
- 1:01:32Speaker 4: the visit if the father brought along an adult friend,
- 1:01:36Speaker 4: just little mischievous things. And I saw this with my
- 1:01:41Speaker 4: husband's divorce. His ex wife was one of those women
- 1:01:45Speaker 4: that didn't didn't want her husband in the children's lives
- 1:01:51Speaker 4: anymore because she didn't want to deal with him in
- 1:01:54Speaker 4: her life, and so she tried to do things like
- 1:01:57Speaker 4: insisting on conditions that she couldn't legally enforce, tried to
- 1:02:03Speaker 4: make him leave me. You, lied to the family about us,
- 1:02:09Speaker 4: and just did a whole bunch of other things. In
- 1:02:13Speaker 4: the seven years in hell case. When the father got
- 1:02:17Speaker 4: protective custody of the child, the mother began leveling false
- 1:02:21Speaker 4: allegations of venemate partner in sexual violence. She spent seven
- 1:02:25Speaker 4: years dragging him through the bowels of the criminal and
- 1:02:30Speaker 4: family court system to try to wrestle custody back, and
- 1:02:37Speaker 4: at one point even made a false rape allegation, changed
- 1:02:42Speaker 4: her story three times as to when and where it
- 1:02:46Speaker 4: allegedly occurred, because he had evidence of what he was
- 1:02:52Speaker 4: doing all the time. By the time she made that allegation,
- 1:02:56Speaker 4: we were actively guarding him, like all of his friends
- 1:03:02Speaker 4: were taking turns, making sure that we scheduled our time
- 1:03:07Speaker 4: with him, our hangout time with him, so that he
- 1:03:10Speaker 4: was never alone. And he was actively making sure that
- 1:03:14Speaker 4: you know, he went places where there were cameras, He
- 1:03:18Speaker 4: got receipts when he went places he could prove where
- 1:03:22Speaker 4: he had been and what he had been doing, so
- 1:03:24Speaker 4: that nobody could catch him in a moment where he
- 1:03:28Speaker 4: couldn't and get the court to agree that he had
- 1:03:33Speaker 4: been somewhere else in doing something else. And it took
- 1:03:38Speaker 4: seven years of that to get her designated as a
- 1:03:45Speaker 4: vexatious litigant so that she can't bother him anymore, and
- 1:03:49Speaker 4: this kind of thing occurs regularly across the country. So
- 1:03:55Speaker 4: as we see this improvement happening, and as you keep
- 1:03:59Speaker 4: writing your legislators and keeping the pressure campaign up to
- 1:04:05Speaker 4: protect the rights of both parents to have equal time
- 1:04:09Speaker 4: with their children and equal opportunities for nurturing and caring
- 1:04:14Speaker 4: and teaching their children how to be adults. It's also
- 1:04:19Speaker 4: important to emphasize that there needs to be parental accountability
- 1:04:26Speaker 4: when one parent denies visitation, when one parent tries to
- 1:04:30Speaker 4: alienate the other parent, that there needs to be some
- 1:04:34Speaker 4: sort of penalty. It needs to be just as serious
- 1:04:37Speaker 4: to not let the other parent have their time to
- 1:04:41Speaker 4: deny custody as it is to kidnap the child. And
- 1:04:45Speaker 4: it needs to be just as serious to try to
- 1:04:48Speaker 4: use false allegations in a divorce case or a custody
- 1:04:53Speaker 4: battle to try to wrestle custody away from the other parent,
- 1:04:58Speaker 4: you know, as it is to commit the type of
- 1:05:00Speaker 4: crimes that the individual is accusing the other parent of committing,
- 1:05:05Speaker 4: Because it's it's just as serious as kidnapping. My friend
- 1:05:10Speaker 4: from that case that I was a witness in went
- 1:05:16Speaker 4: to jail five different times for overnight visits or at
- 1:05:21Speaker 4: one point a whole weekend, was denied his medications, was
- 1:05:26Speaker 4: treated like a criminal by the police, and was severely
- 1:05:31Speaker 4: traumatized by the situation. To this day, he still has
- 1:05:38Speaker 4: PTSD symptoms from being arrested over and over again and
- 1:05:43Speaker 4: from not knowing when the cops were going to come
- 1:05:47Speaker 4: and knock at his door at three o'clock in the
- 1:05:49Speaker 4: morning to take him away. So it's it's and his
- 1:05:54Speaker 4: daughter has PTSD symptoms from that like this, She saw
- 1:06:01Speaker 4: her dad hold off in cuffs repeatedly and didn't understand
- 1:06:05Speaker 4: what was going on because she was little. So this
- 1:06:07Speaker 4: impacts not just the men involved, as if that wasn't
- 1:06:11Speaker 4: bad enough, it also impacts the children. So I'm glad
- 1:06:17Speaker 4: to see that this is happening, but it is not
- 1:06:19Speaker 4: a reason to stop pressuring legislators to treat fathers fairly.
- 1:06:26Speaker 4: It's very important to keep that pressure campaign up and
- 1:06:29Speaker 4: to maybe ramp it up, and it's also a good
- 1:06:33Speaker 4: time to start a pressure campaign to get them to
- 1:06:41Speaker 4: enact accountability for women who make false allegations in these
- 1:06:44Speaker 4: types of cases.
- 1:06:49Speaker 1: All right, well, thank you for that. Let's take a
- 1:06:53Speaker 1: look at what people are saying. They're gonna move on
- 1:06:55Speaker 1: to the next story. But yeah, overall, I think this
- 1:06:57Speaker 1: is a step in the right direction. But again, like
- 1:07:01Speaker 1: all things, you know, it's a process. So uh okay.
- 1:07:05Speaker 1: So ZARAANX gave us ten dollars and says, if there
- 1:07:08Speaker 1: was ever a greater bit of evidence bolstering my position
- 1:07:11Speaker 1: of getting government out of marriage, family and children do that,
- 1:07:15Speaker 1: and all involved likely do better towards the marriage front,
- 1:07:18Speaker 1: which begets healthy children, healthy families, and healthy society. Overall, yes,
- 1:07:23Speaker 1: it's almost like that's the most important thing. And then
- 1:07:26Speaker 1: Meredith g gives us five dollars. Thank you, Meredith, and
- 1:07:29Speaker 1: says HBr News five twenty four only slightly related to
- 1:07:33Speaker 1: the stories of the night. Richard Barris, The People's Pundit
- 1:07:36Speaker 1: is doing a poll on political violence, and surprising to
- 1:07:40Speaker 1: me but not to me, is early results are finding
- 1:07:42Speaker 1: the most the most group. I guess the group most
- 1:07:46Speaker 1: prone to supporting political violence is not lost young men,
- 1:07:49Speaker 1: but educated women in their thirties and forties. Be on
- 1:07:53Speaker 1: the lookout for the results of that study. I will
- 1:07:55Speaker 1: let me just write that down really quick. Richard Barris,
- 1:07:59Speaker 1: The People's Pundits.
- 1:08:02Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, the first thing I thought of
- 1:08:04Speaker 4: was when read that, do you remember the guy that
- 1:08:10Speaker 4: was filming on campus? There was a protest going on,
- 1:08:13Speaker 4: and the protesters were engaging a little bit of dumb
- 1:08:20Speaker 4: assory and I can't remember what it was about exactly,
- 1:08:24Speaker 4: but the professor was sort of middle aged, maybe a
- 1:08:29Speaker 4: little older than middle age, like probably old enough to
- 1:08:32Speaker 4: have grandkids if she wasn't a cat lady. But in
- 1:08:38Speaker 4: any case, she's working with these students, you know, eighteen
- 1:08:44Speaker 4: nineteen twenty year old kids, just the start of their adulthood.
- 1:08:50Speaker 4: And as this individual is on their own campus in
- 1:08:55Speaker 4: a public look place filming what is going on, she
- 1:08:59Speaker 4: comes over and starts assle them and then start advocating for, uh,
- 1:09:04Speaker 4: some muscle, can I get some muscle over here? Basically
- 1:09:07Speaker 4: to assault the person filming, to get rid of them.
- 1:09:13Speaker 4: Even in just little ways like that, they engage in violence.
- 1:09:17Speaker 2: Well that's that's yeah.
- 1:09:20Speaker 1: I think women like these educated women are more likely
- 1:09:23Speaker 1: to advocate advocate for violence because they're not the ones
- 1:09:26Speaker 1: risking anything. They're usually asking men to do violence on
- 1:09:30Speaker 1: their behalf, which makes it easy. How many women were
- 1:09:33Speaker 1: on TikTok saying who's gonna do it? Who's gonna do it?
- 1:09:36Speaker 1: When it comes to assassinating basically anybody. It wasn't just Trump,
- 1:09:40Speaker 1: it was Elon Musk, it was Charlie Kirk, it was anyone.
- 1:09:44Speaker 1: They were like, who's gonna So who's gonna do it?
- 1:09:46Speaker 1: That means I'm not gonna do it, but I want
- 1:09:48Speaker 1: it done right, So yes, they It makes sense that
- 1:09:51Speaker 1: people who have no skin in the game have nothing
- 1:09:54Speaker 1: to lose, only have to do is complain and then
- 1:09:56Speaker 1: somebody else might step up on their behalf and do it.
- 1:10:00Speaker 1: Are going to be more likely to do it, So
- 1:10:02Speaker 1: it doesn't really surprise me.
- 1:10:03Speaker 4: But and they're more likely than to get arrested for
- 1:10:06Speaker 4: it because they're the ones actually engaging in the violence,
- 1:10:10Speaker 4: and it'll get chalked up as male violence. Yeah, even
- 1:10:13Speaker 4: though they would never have done that if a woman
- 1:10:16Speaker 4: hadn't asked them, right.
- 1:10:19Speaker 3: Imagine if this is scaled up to women voting for
- 1:10:23Speaker 3: wars that only men have to fight in, it's still
- 1:10:26Speaker 3: it's still men doing the violence. Ah, it's convenient.
- 1:10:32Speaker 4: SEARANX says that was Melissa Click from MISSOU So I
- 1:10:36Speaker 4: guess missus Missouri University. Uh maybe, but in any case, Yeah,
- 1:10:43Speaker 4: I will say this. There's a video that I made
- 1:10:45Speaker 4: about that whole female proxy violence thing as well. I
- 1:10:51Speaker 4: believe it was we have to talk about quote male
- 1:10:55Speaker 4: violence end quote, because I don't believe that there is
- 1:10:59Speaker 4: such a thing is male violence. I believe that the
- 1:11:01Speaker 4: overwhelming majority of violence in the world is proxy violence
- 1:11:06Speaker 4: on behalf of women. So I think that's one Badger
- 1:11:12Speaker 4: live streams channel, but it might be on a Honey
- 1:11:14Speaker 4: Badger brigade channel. So you'll have to look the main
- 1:11:17Speaker 4: radio channel. Yeah, yeah, Honey Badger radio channel.
- 1:11:20Speaker 3: Yeah, you're all a bunch of misogynists. How day you
- 1:11:23Speaker 3: say any of these things?
- 1:11:25Speaker 1: All right, moving on to next story. Let us know
- 1:11:27Speaker 1: what you guys thinking about this one in the comments.
- 1:11:30Speaker 1: All right, So, and here's one of the big ones
- 1:11:33Speaker 1: everyone's been talking about. So, during the annual three day
- 1:11:37Speaker 1: event known as twitch Con, a San Diego based convention
- 1:11:41Speaker 1: centered around the livestream platform Twitch dot tv, prominent streamer
- 1:11:46Speaker 1: pictured here at EMRU was sexually assaulted. Emily Beth Shunk,
- 1:11:52Speaker 1: better known as Emru, is a popular cosplayer and streamer
- 1:11:56Speaker 1: with over two billion followers on twitch tv. She is
- 1:11:59Speaker 1: also a co found and content creator for the gaming
- 1:12:02Speaker 1: media group known as One True King. During a fan
- 1:12:05Speaker 1: meet and greet at TWITCHCN last weekend, a man walked
- 1:12:08Speaker 1: straight right past the line of fans bypassing a number
- 1:12:12Speaker 1: of other checkpoints, with twitch con security being nowhere in
- 1:12:16Speaker 1: sight and with seemingly nothing to stop him. The man
- 1:12:19Speaker 1: grabbed Emru's face and attempted to kiss her. Thankfully, Emrou's
- 1:12:23Speaker 1: personal security guard intervened immediately and force forcefully removed the
- 1:12:27Speaker 1: man from her sight. The man then slowly walked away
- 1:12:32Speaker 1: from the scene, again with no twitch con security insight.
- 1:12:35Speaker 1: As a quick aside, there are many people online stating
- 1:12:38Speaker 1: that her bodyguard was permanently banned for defending Emru over
- 1:12:41Speaker 1: this incident, which is false but not far from the truth.
- 1:12:45Speaker 1: Emru's former bodyguard was permanently banned from Twitch related live
- 1:12:48Speaker 1: events after stopping and detaining a stalker at a previous event,
- 1:12:52Speaker 1: so not this event. Twitch's response was originally lackluster, citing
- 1:12:57Speaker 1: that the assailant was given a thirty day ban from
- 1:12:59Speaker 1: twis TV, revealing that they knew exactly who the individual was. Finally,
- 1:13:05Speaker 1: when pressed by Emeru's manager, they changed their statement to
- 1:13:08Speaker 1: say that the attacker was banned from the premises, permanently
- 1:13:11Speaker 1: banned from Twitch dot tv and that they were working
- 1:13:14Speaker 1: with law enforcement. Twitch CEO Dan Clancy, who was finally
- 1:13:18Speaker 1: forced to leave his goon cave to give a statement,
- 1:13:21Speaker 1: spoke with hack urinalist Taylor Lorenz, and when asked how
- 1:13:25Speaker 1: Twitch is prioritizing safety at their convention, he said the following.
- 1:13:30Speaker 1: The safety of our creators is our top priority. The
- 1:13:33Speaker 1: challenge we face is a challenge in today's society. It's
- 1:13:36Speaker 1: not limited to Twitch. It extends throughout our society. So
- 1:13:40Speaker 1: you know, our problem is the world's problems.
- 1:13:42Speaker 2: Because men exist.
- 1:13:44Speaker 1: I do think that when you're live streaming in many ways,
- 1:13:46Speaker 1: that you control your community, and you can ban people,
- 1:13:50Speaker 1: you can make it so that those people who you
- 1:13:52Speaker 1: don't want engaging with you and participating with you aren't there.
- 1:13:55Speaker 1: What happened yesterday was something that we care deeply about
- 1:13:58Speaker 1: securing this the this environment. We're looking very closely at
- 1:14:02Speaker 1: everything that happened here, and I care deeply about Emiru.
- 1:14:05Speaker 1: She's a friend of mine, and so I want to
- 1:14:07Speaker 1: see how we can support her. Emru eventually released her
- 1:14:11Speaker 1: version of events, noting that her attacker was allowed to
- 1:14:14Speaker 1: walk away and even exit the building, a fact that
- 1:14:16Speaker 1: was later backed up with video evidence. She also spoke
- 1:14:19Speaker 1: about the immediate reaction of nearby Twitch staff, which was
- 1:14:23Speaker 1: to joke and laugh about how they didn't see anything happen.
- 1:14:26Speaker 1: She also calls out Twitch's claim that they immediately caught
- 1:14:29Speaker 1: the attacker, when in reality, he was walking around the
- 1:14:33Speaker 1: area for hours before being detained. Emru stated that this
- 1:14:36Speaker 1: would be her last Twitch Con and that she encourages
- 1:14:40Speaker 1: other creators to make it their last as well. And
- 1:14:43Speaker 1: I basically wanted to reiterate because I think this is
- 1:14:46Speaker 1: like for me, what seems to be what's going to
- 1:14:50Speaker 1: be the effect of this. So like, these kinds of
- 1:14:52Speaker 1: things can happen when you're dealing with this kind of
- 1:14:56Speaker 1: like environment, right, and it's unfortunate, but it can't happen
- 1:15:00Speaker 1: if you're like somebody that's famous. You know you're gonna
- 1:15:03Speaker 1: get You're gonna get a weird fans. You're gonna get
- 1:15:06Speaker 1: people who don't have bound they have boundary issues whatever, Right,
- 1:15:09Speaker 1: they're just going to a socially awkward people, and these
- 1:15:13Speaker 1: things are gonna happen. But the my issue is not that,
- 1:15:17Speaker 1: because that's just part of life. My issue is with
- 1:15:20Speaker 1: what the reaction to that is going to be and
- 1:15:22Speaker 1: how this incident is going to be framed. So I
- 1:15:26Speaker 1: think the fact that Dan Clancy sat down with Taylor
- 1:15:29Speaker 1: Lorenz is a telling thing, right. And also bear in
- 1:15:35Speaker 1: mind the people who run Twitch, they're all scumbags, like
- 1:15:39Speaker 1: they are best friends with Hassan Piker, you know, the
- 1:15:43Speaker 1: guy at the end of every one of our videos
- 1:15:45Speaker 1: that talks about MRAs being machines. And not because he
- 1:15:48Speaker 1: zapped his dog, because I don't give a shit about that,
- 1:15:50Speaker 1: it's because he called He basically said that we deserve
- 1:15:53Speaker 1: nine to eleven and he called for the death of
- 1:15:55Speaker 1: people who own property and he wanted the streets to
- 1:15:57Speaker 1: run red with their blood. That's I think a little
- 1:15:59Speaker 1: bit of a higher priority. And when he did that,
- 1:16:02Speaker 1: by the way, Twitch celebrated his birthday and they gave
- 1:16:05Speaker 1: him like a twenty four hour band or something like.
- 1:16:07Speaker 2: It was nothing.
- 1:16:09Speaker 1: So what we're looking at here are people who are
- 1:16:12Speaker 1: going to look out for each other in whatever way
- 1:16:14Speaker 1: they can, and they're going to do what Hollywood did
- 1:16:18Speaker 1: when when the Me Too movement happened. They're going to
- 1:16:21Speaker 1: blame men everywhere instead of just holding the individual accountable
- 1:16:26Speaker 1: that did the thing. And maybe anyone else who was
- 1:16:28Speaker 1: involved that basically allowed this guy to slip through the cracks.
- 1:16:31Speaker 1: But the fact is, these things will happen, and you know,
- 1:16:35Speaker 1: I'm sorry that happened to Emiru, but you know you're
- 1:16:38Speaker 1: gonna have to like you You're only you can only
- 1:16:41Speaker 1: be responsible for your own safety at the end of
- 1:16:43Speaker 1: the day. So anyway, those are my thoughts on that.
- 1:16:46Speaker 1: I give you, Gus the floor. It looks like this
- 1:16:48Speaker 1: is gonna be long sauceage.
- 1:16:49Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I suppose a lot of you will be
- 1:16:53Speaker 3: getting the same distinct sense that I'm getting that this
- 1:16:56Speaker 3: is something of a storm and a takeup. Every head
- 1:17:00Speaker 3: line I've seen about this story has used this loaded
- 1:17:02Speaker 3: term sexual assault, and yeah, I in some ways technically
- 1:17:08Speaker 3: it is, but only because a man hugging and kissing
- 1:17:12Speaker 3: a woman who doesn't want to be hugged and kissed,
- 1:17:16Speaker 3: it is technically a sexual assault by modern standards. But
- 1:17:21Speaker 3: if that's the case, then it's something children frequently commit,
- 1:17:27Speaker 3: hugging and kissing, and it's something frequently done to children.
- 1:17:33Speaker 3: Every time one of your relatives, usually a grandma or
- 1:17:36Speaker 3: an aunt, greets you with a hug and a kiss,
- 1:17:40Speaker 3: that gives you what we might call an ick that
- 1:17:45Speaker 3: means you've been sexually assaulted, right, in which case we
- 1:17:49Speaker 3: have ourselves a problem that extends far beyond twitch Con.
- 1:17:53Speaker 3: And look, I know, I know we're all vying to
- 1:17:56Speaker 3: apply some sense of accountability to Twitch, given Twitch's general
- 1:18:04Speaker 3: aversion to accountability, especially in the wake of dog electrocution
- 1:18:11Speaker 3: gait or whatever we're calling it, or indeed regularly calling
- 1:18:15Speaker 3: for political murder gate. I get it. We'd all like
- 1:18:21Speaker 3: Twitch to take an objective glance at what its biggest
- 1:18:26Speaker 3: hitters are doing with the millions they're making. But I mean,
- 1:18:32Speaker 3: Jesus age Christ, can we learn a lesson from the
- 1:18:36Speaker 3: smear merchants in the mainstream media about not writing sensational
- 1:18:41Speaker 3: headlines for the sake of clicks. If anyone is anyone
- 1:18:46Speaker 3: going to present this story as twitch streamer unexpectedly gets
- 1:18:52Speaker 3: hugged and kissed at twitch Con, no, because that wouldn't
- 1:18:57Speaker 3: that wouldn't get the clicks. It would make it sound
- 1:19:01Speaker 3: like the light drizzle in a teacup that it actually is.
- 1:19:07Speaker 3: And don't get me wrong, there is a real issue here,
- 1:19:10Speaker 3: and it's the security at twitch Con is so lax.
- 1:19:17Speaker 3: It's lucky this man was only interested in a hug
- 1:19:20Speaker 3: and a kiss he was interested. If he was interested
- 1:19:25Speaker 3: in violently shanking her in the neck, he would have
- 1:19:30Speaker 3: been perfectly able to do so five or six times
- 1:19:33Speaker 3: before any security intervened. And yes, that sort of thing
- 1:19:38Speaker 3: can happen. Christina Grimmy was a twenty two year old
- 1:19:45Speaker 3: singer who nine years ago was shot at a meet
- 1:19:49Speaker 3: and greet after a concert by some Nutter and fox sake.
- 1:19:56Speaker 3: Dimebag Daryl, the guitarist from Pantera, was shot point blank
- 1:20:02Speaker 3: several times by a crazed fan on stage at a gig.
- 1:20:07Speaker 3: These incidents are thankfully rare, but it raises the issue
- 1:20:12Speaker 3: of how stringent security should really be at such public events.
- 1:20:17Speaker 3: And I really don't know how far we should go.
- 1:20:20Speaker 3: Should every gig have like metal detectors positioned at the
- 1:20:26Speaker 3: front doors and also backstage just in case? It's the
- 1:20:32Speaker 3: same hot issue as the school shootings, Like how many
- 1:20:36Speaker 3: contingencies should be controlled for in the event of the
- 1:20:40Speaker 3: rare occasions where there might be an armed Nutter on
- 1:20:45Speaker 3: the premises? I don't know. I don't know how many
- 1:20:48Speaker 3: venues can even afford these kinds of safeguards, And if
- 1:20:55Speaker 3: legendary heroes like diamonback Darryl, are not safe? How the
- 1:20:59Speaker 3: hell can we make it safe for every vapid twitch
- 1:21:03Speaker 3: thought His only niche is titillating, horny, lonely desperate men.
- 1:21:09Speaker 3: It's definitely an important issue, one for which it's difficult
- 1:21:14Speaker 3: to find an answer, and it's understandable when the issue
- 1:21:18Speaker 3: gets fired up every time someone actually gets murdered. I'm
- 1:21:25Speaker 3: just saying, it feels like a hell of a slow
- 1:21:27Speaker 3: news day when the issue gets fired up because of
- 1:21:31Speaker 3: a woman who got hugged and kissed, not murdered or
- 1:21:36Speaker 3: even attempted murdered, just hugged and kissed. That's all I'm saying.
- 1:21:41Speaker 3: How often has a female groupie sprinted out of the
- 1:21:46Speaker 3: darkness to hug and kiss a male celebrity.
- 1:21:51Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm just gonna add on to that, just
- 1:21:53Speaker 1: to add real quick to what you're saying. Remember as
- 1:21:56Speaker 1: soon as the stardust, Remember that, and what happened to
- 1:21:59Speaker 1: that guy that was there. Also, with that in mind
- 1:22:04Speaker 1: that the security acted very quickly on her behalf when
- 1:22:08Speaker 1: this happened. But the citizen startus guy got like absolutely
- 1:22:12Speaker 1: like just piled on by women.
- 1:22:15Speaker 2: There were so many of them.
- 1:22:16Speaker 1: He couldn't tell who was touching him and who wasn't,
- 1:22:19Speaker 1: and no one was able to save him. So it's
- 1:22:22Speaker 1: a I'm not like, I'm not big, I don't know
- 1:22:24Speaker 1: what about ism, but it seems like that was just
- 1:22:27Speaker 1: here and gone, and we're probably gonna be hearing about
- 1:22:29Speaker 1: this emery thing for a while, and it's gonna probably
- 1:22:32Speaker 1: like you know, they're gonna start They're gonna try to
- 1:22:34Speaker 1: start another me too. But anyway, that's all I'm sorry,
- 1:22:37Speaker 1: my go ahead.
- 1:22:39Speaker 3: Yeah, And how often does it become an international scandal
- 1:22:45Speaker 3: when a female groupie runs on stage to hug and
- 1:22:48Speaker 3: kiss a male celebrity. Literally never, even though it happens
- 1:22:52Speaker 3: all the time, even though women are just as capable
- 1:22:55Speaker 3: of stabbing or shooting someone to death. These are the
- 1:22:59Speaker 3: great equalizers after all. I mean, if you want to,
- 1:23:02Speaker 3: if you want to criticize Twitch and their lackluster endeavors,
- 1:23:07Speaker 3: please do. But there are much bigger fish to fry.
- 1:23:12Speaker 3: Please don't forget one of their biggest streamers is still
- 1:23:16Speaker 3: out there telling people to murder his political opponents. I'm
- 1:23:21Speaker 3: sure that doesn't narrow it down, but you know who
- 1:23:24Speaker 3: I'm talking about. I'm talking about the guy who abuses dogs.
- 1:23:28Speaker 3: And yes, the dog abuse is apparently orders of magnitude
- 1:23:32Speaker 3: more scandalous than the advocation for mass murder of humors.
- 1:23:38Speaker 3: But that's just that's just the world we live in.
- 1:23:41Speaker 3: People are more outraged at hurting dogs than they are
- 1:23:46Speaker 3: about murdering men, and they're even more outraged about a
- 1:23:50Speaker 3: woman getting hugged and kissed. I mean, there it is.
- 1:23:55Speaker 3: It's beyond politics at this point. There's a clear hierarchy here.
- 1:24:01Speaker 3: The lives of men are less important than the well
- 1:24:06Speaker 3: being of dogs, and even less important than the personal
- 1:24:11Speaker 3: space of a woman's lips. What do I shrug this
- 1:24:15Speaker 3: off with an it is what it is? Because no,
- 1:24:20Speaker 3: it isn't what it is. It's a fucked up inversion
- 1:24:23Speaker 3: of what should be in my humble, outlandish opinion for
- 1:24:29Speaker 3: whatever the hell that even counts for anymore. I'm I'm
- 1:24:33Speaker 3: not a real philosopher. None of this is humanitarian advice.
- 1:24:38Speaker 3: Ignore me all right here?
- 1:24:43Speaker 4: Now you know enough, probably enough has been said about
- 1:24:49Speaker 4: the fact that this was a security issue, and it's
- 1:24:52Speaker 4: it's pretty obvious security issue, and it is a consistent
- 1:24:56Speaker 4: issue in terms of people get being attacked by greatest fans,
- 1:25:03Speaker 4: and this does happen quite a bit too male performers,
- 1:25:09Speaker 4: and it made me think, you know, not that not
- 1:25:14Speaker 4: that a performer should ever be expected to put up
- 1:25:19Speaker 4: with that kind of bullshit. There's always somebody that's going
- 1:25:23Speaker 4: to be crazy enough to do that. I think the
- 1:25:28Speaker 4: solution essentially is going to be venues like this need
- 1:25:33Speaker 4: to work with the more famous performers security teams and
- 1:25:42Speaker 4: let them have their own security, not give them any
- 1:25:47Speaker 4: trouble in terms of you know, and protecting their individual
- 1:25:52Speaker 4: and then they maintain their security on the site and
- 1:25:57Speaker 4: that should happen that that that should happen to, you know,
- 1:26:03Speaker 4: with with male and female performers. And probably one of
- 1:26:07Speaker 4: the most interesting and famous incidents of of this that
- 1:26:12Speaker 4: that comes to mind to me, Michael Jackson in like
- 1:26:19Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six in Seoul was in a concert and
- 1:26:24Speaker 4: he had this in the during one of the songs
- 1:26:29Speaker 4: that he was performing, he had this like a bucket.
- 1:26:35Speaker 4: It it it had a it was open, it had
- 1:26:39Speaker 4: a platform, and then it had like a fence around him,
- 1:26:43Speaker 4: just one bar, like a circular bar around him that
- 1:26:47Speaker 4: had a you know, a couple of bars going down
- 1:26:49Speaker 4: on the sides and it was lifted by a crane
- 1:26:53Speaker 4: up into the air and uh, you know for him
- 1:26:56Speaker 4: with with when you know, blowing up and everything and
- 1:26:58Speaker 4: make him look cool and stuff. Kind of typical Michael
- 1:27:02Speaker 4: Jackson showmanship. And he's he goes up there, it lifts
- 1:27:07Speaker 4: him up and he starts performing. And a crazed fan
- 1:27:11Speaker 4: climbed up on the crane really quickly and got up
- 1:27:17Speaker 4: onto that platform. And we're talking. The platform was just
- 1:27:20Speaker 4: barely big enough for Jackson to perform the way that
- 1:27:26Speaker 4: he performs when he's singing, so you know, his feet
- 1:27:31Speaker 4: might be more than shoulder with the part, but not
- 1:27:34Speaker 4: significantly more than shoulder with the part, so it was
- 1:27:38Speaker 4: very small. And immediately, rather than you know, freaking out,
- 1:27:44Speaker 4: which a woman would have done and trying to get
- 1:27:49Speaker 4: rid of this crazed fan, he immediately managed him. He
- 1:27:52Speaker 4: turned him around so that he was facing away from
- 1:27:55Speaker 4: him so he couldn't hurt him, but then held onto
- 1:27:59Speaker 4: the fan the whole time and continued to perform, continued
- 1:28:03Speaker 4: to sing while he was holding this fan in place
- 1:28:08Speaker 4: so that he didn't fall from this crane and protected
- 1:28:11Speaker 4: him from from getting injured until they lowered the crane.
- 1:28:17Speaker 4: They finally got someone there to lower the crane and
- 1:28:20Speaker 4: then security pulled a fan off of him and took
- 1:28:22Speaker 4: him away and everything. And it's a completely different reaction.
- 1:28:29Speaker 4: And he had death threats and and he had he
- 1:28:35Speaker 4: had some really insane things happen uh with with fans.
- 1:28:41Speaker 4: So for him to respond to one approaching him like
- 1:28:44Speaker 4: that in that circumstance, by his primary concern was the
- 1:28:49Speaker 4: fans welfare and not you know, freaking out and getting
- 1:28:56Speaker 4: scared was was quite remarkable. But you know, and and
- 1:29:03Speaker 4: it's not to shame anybody that reacts by getting upset,
- 1:29:09Speaker 4: but this, this kind of thing does happen to men.
- 1:29:13Speaker 4: Shi lah Boof had an event in twenty fourteen where
- 1:29:17Speaker 4: he was meeting one on one with fans and it
- 1:29:21Speaker 4: was kind of a publicity stunt that he was doing anything.
- 1:29:23Speaker 4: He had a paper bag over his head. He was
- 1:29:25Speaker 4: I'm not famous anymore, But as he was meeting one
- 1:29:30Speaker 4: on one with fans, a woman came along and sexually
- 1:29:33Speaker 4: assaulted him. Yeah, and it was more than just grabbing
- 1:29:38Speaker 4: and kissing. It was it was pretty bad, and there
- 1:29:43Speaker 4: were there There wasn't a lot of discussion about that.
- 1:29:48Speaker 4: I remember we covered it after it happened, but people
- 1:29:52Speaker 4: didn't get outraged like they did over this, And yes,
- 1:29:58Speaker 4: she should have been better protected, Yes this should have
- 1:30:02Speaker 4: been prevented from happening. Maybe if these convention administrations weren't
- 1:30:10Speaker 4: so busy politicking and trying to protect people from things
- 1:30:15Speaker 4: like game or gate flags and people saying the wrong
- 1:30:18Speaker 4: thing on the internet, they would do a better job
- 1:30:21Speaker 4: of protecting their performers. But I think the outrage is
- 1:30:26Speaker 4: kind of selective in this case because it's something that
- 1:30:33Speaker 4: we should care about. Whether it's a female twitch streamer
- 1:30:39Speaker 4: who's famous for being good at games or cute or
- 1:30:44Speaker 4: some combination thereof, or a famous singer or an actor,
- 1:30:50Speaker 4: or you know, any individual politician, and whether they're male
- 1:30:57Speaker 4: or female, whether they're old or young, and you know,
- 1:31:01Speaker 4: whether they're popular with only one side of the political
- 1:31:04Speaker 4: fence and the other side wants to shoot them in
- 1:31:09Speaker 4: the neck. Crazed fans and crazed haters don't really have
- 1:31:14Speaker 4: a very thick line in between them. So yeah, I
- 1:31:20Speaker 4: guess that's my take on it. Yeah, it's a problem,
- 1:31:25Speaker 4: and no, it's it's not right that the outrage is
- 1:31:31Speaker 4: that selective.
- 1:31:34Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let me see what if anybody else
- 1:31:39Speaker 1: has any super Chats or super Child's. But yeah, I
- 1:31:42Speaker 1: mean we've all, like I said, I just want to
- 1:31:45Speaker 1: draw that Sinners and Stardus thing, and it's definitely like
- 1:31:48Speaker 1: like Mike said, a storm and a teacup. I think
- 1:31:52Speaker 1: that the fact that EMERU is like this really petite
- 1:31:56Speaker 1: delicate girl. I think that really like ram up the
- 1:32:00Speaker 1: ginocentrism around this whole situation. And again, you know, we
- 1:32:05Speaker 1: we already have systems in place there when people cross
- 1:32:08Speaker 1: a boundary there we there already exists consequences. If Trichcon
- 1:32:12Speaker 1: didn't take the appropriate measures. That's a them problem. That's
- 1:32:15Speaker 1: not a society problem, which is what the CEO is
- 1:32:18Speaker 1: trying to like point to. That's bullshit full stop. So
- 1:32:22Speaker 1: you know, but they should take care of it on
- 1:32:25Speaker 1: in their own terms. And and I know that people
- 1:32:28Speaker 1: like Taylor Wrens are gonna use it to essentially make
- 1:32:31Speaker 1: claims about you know, our entire society.
- 1:32:34Speaker 2: So all right, anyway, where were all the men?
- 1:32:38Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be again. The security stepped in immediately.
- 1:32:43Speaker 1: I saw the video. You know, it was dealt with immediately.
- 1:32:46Speaker 1: And it's just one of those things that sometimes a
- 1:32:48Speaker 1: weirdo gets through and you know whatever.
- 1:32:51Speaker 4: But if if a bystander had done something, people would
- 1:32:56Speaker 4: be condemning him for being violent.
- 1:33:00Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:33:00Speaker 4: If a bystander had stopped that guy and hit him
- 1:33:04Speaker 4: or wrestled him to the ground or anything like that
- 1:33:06Speaker 4: and he'd been injured, that would have been then it
- 1:33:10Speaker 4: would have been Look, men are violent.
- 1:33:12Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:33:13Speaker 1: Well, the thing is that's most people's default setting. So
- 1:33:16Speaker 1: when they see stuff like this, it just confirms the
- 1:33:18Speaker 1: bias that was already there.
- 1:33:19Speaker 2: So they're comfortable with that, right, right, which.
- 1:33:22Speaker 4: Is why they start around and yell where are all
- 1:33:25Speaker 4: the men when a bystander does nothing. So, in terms
- 1:33:29Speaker 4: in terms of you know what, what guy's listening should
- 1:33:32Speaker 4: take away from this is you're damned if you do,
- 1:33:35Speaker 4: and you're damned if you don't. But there's a lot
- 1:33:38Speaker 4: less risk to you if you don't, So don't.
- 1:33:43Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 1:33:43Speaker 1: So but again it's like, you know, we're trying to
- 1:33:45Speaker 1: deprogram generations of this stuff, so it's not easy. But
- 1:33:49Speaker 1: let's move on to the next story. I thought I
- 1:33:51Speaker 1: picked this because it's related, so you probably maybe maybe
- 1:33:55Speaker 1: you did hear about this, maybe you didn't. This is
- 1:33:59Speaker 1: relatively recent, so on October twelfth of twenty twenty five
- 1:34:04Speaker 1: in New York, DoorDash driver Livvy Rose Henderson arrived at
- 1:34:08Speaker 1: a customer's apartment for contactless delivery with instructions to leave
- 1:34:12Speaker 1: the order at the door. She claimed the front door
- 1:34:16Speaker 1: was wide open with lights on, and the male customer
- 1:34:20Speaker 1: was unconscious or asleep on a couch visible from the entryway,
- 1:34:25Speaker 1: with his pants and underwear pulled down to his ankles,
- 1:34:28Speaker 1: exposing himself indecently. Henderson, feeling unsafe and interpreting this as
- 1:34:33Speaker 1: a sexual harassment or assault, recorded a short video as
- 1:34:38Speaker 1: evidence from inside at the threshold, posted it publicly on TikTok,
- 1:34:43Speaker 1: which revealed the address and details, and reported the incident
- 1:34:46Speaker 1: to DoorDash and police. She described fearing for her safety
- 1:34:51Speaker 1: remember this guy was unconscious or sleeping and his pants
- 1:34:55Speaker 1: were down around his ankles, stating she quote could have
- 1:34:59Speaker 1: been attacked, and viewed the exposure as intentional given the
- 1:35:04Speaker 1: open door. The videos quickly went viral, amassing over twenty
- 1:35:08Speaker 1: million views, sparking outrage over gig worker protections and calls
- 1:35:12Speaker 1: for better safety measures. DoorDash banned the customer for violating
- 1:35:16Speaker 1: their sexual harassment policy, but also deactivated Henderson's account two
- 1:35:21Speaker 1: days later citing a breach of their privacy policy against
- 1:35:24Speaker 1: sharing videos or personal information captured during deliveries, including inside
- 1:35:29Speaker 1: customers's homes. Henderson followed up with additional TikTok videos expressing
- 1:35:35Speaker 1: frustration and anger, alleging DoorDash prioritized the customer's privacy over
- 1:35:39Speaker 1: her own safety, provided no clear explanation initially, and that
- 1:35:44Speaker 1: police dismissed her report as no crime, lacking intent from
- 1:35:47Speaker 1: the unconscious man. She noted accessing her remaining earnings via
- 1:35:53Speaker 1: a debit card after support escalations and appealed the deactivation,
- 1:35:57Speaker 1: though Doordash's statement confirmed both parties were band pending investigation.
- 1:36:02Speaker 1: The story divided online reactions, while detractors accused her of trespassing,
- 1:36:07Speaker 1: privacy invasion, filming and recording an unconscious naked person without consent,
- 1:36:11Speaker 1: potentially illegal as revenge born or dosing, and exaggerating assault
- 1:36:16Speaker 1: because like indecent exposure, is not active harm, arguing that
- 1:36:21Speaker 1: she should have just dropped the food, snapped the photo privately.
- 1:36:24Speaker 2: And left.
- 1:36:26Speaker 4: Yes, actually, I'm gonna jump on this one because if
- 1:36:31Speaker 4: if that guy had had a stroke and ended up
- 1:36:37Speaker 4: in that situation, not the kind in any of our
- 1:36:41Speaker 4: dirty minded listeners are thinking of, but an actual medical
- 1:36:45Speaker 4: stroke or heart attack, and she just took his picture
- 1:36:50Speaker 4: and left. He would have died if he'd been assaulted
- 1:36:54Speaker 4: and left in that position.
- 1:36:57Speaker 5: You know.
- 1:36:57Speaker 4: Again, if the door was supposed to be closed and
- 1:37:01Speaker 4: it was open, that could have been a sign that
- 1:37:03Speaker 4: something was very wrong. And yeah, it could have been
- 1:37:08Speaker 4: that this guy was just, you know, some dumbass with
- 1:37:13Speaker 4: some kind of mental problem who deliberately exposed himself to
- 1:37:18Speaker 4: this individual. But the first thing that I would have
- 1:37:24Speaker 4: thought of in a situation like that, if the door's
- 1:37:26Speaker 4: not supposed to be open and it's open, is that
- 1:37:29Speaker 4: something bad has happened here, and I would not have approached,
- 1:37:35Speaker 4: you know, I would have looked from a distance, looked inside,
- 1:37:39Speaker 4: and if I had seen that, then I would have
- 1:37:41Speaker 4: called the cops because something might be very wrong there.
- 1:37:45Speaker 4: That would have been an immediate nine to one one call.
- 1:37:48Speaker 4: And she didn't do that, right, that's suspicious to me.
- 1:37:52Speaker 4: It makes me wonder if Yeah, hypoglycemia, there's another one
- 1:37:57Speaker 4: Jobaals mentioned, and there's probably a couple dozen different medical
- 1:38:04Speaker 4: conditions an individual can have that can cause them to
- 1:38:09Speaker 4: end up in that situation. And then there's there's also,
- 1:38:14Speaker 4: like I said, somebody could have broken in and sexually
- 1:38:16Speaker 4: assaulted this individual.
- 1:38:18Speaker 2: Which.
- 1:38:20Speaker 4: She would have thought of if that was a female,
- 1:38:23Speaker 4: But she didn't think of it because she was a
- 1:38:28Speaker 4: female and that was a male, and therefore she decided
- 1:38:33Speaker 4: that she was the one being assaulted and immediately took
- 1:38:37Speaker 4: these measures. And of all the things, if I was
- 1:38:43Speaker 4: afraid of somebody and I felt I was in immediate danger,
- 1:38:50Speaker 4: my first response would not be to stand around taking
- 1:38:56Speaker 4: pictures or video. It would be to get the fuck
- 1:38:58Speaker 4: out of there, call the cops, and be someplace other
- 1:39:06Speaker 4: than where that individual might have access to me. Right,
- 1:39:11Speaker 4: I wouldn't stand in the doorway and film. And you know,
- 1:39:17Speaker 4: I understand why she might have wanted to protect herself
- 1:39:19Speaker 4: from false allegations, But even then, there is literally nothing
- 1:39:28Speaker 4: about posting that video on social media that has any
- 1:39:33Speaker 4: kind of protective effect for you.
- 1:39:37Speaker 3: At all.
- 1:39:38Speaker 4: Right, posting that video does nothing but embarrass the individual.
- 1:39:42Speaker 4: And she didn't post that video on whatever social media
- 1:39:47Speaker 4: she posted it on. I can't remember what it was
- 1:39:50Speaker 4: to protect herself. She did it to shame the customer.
- 1:39:56Speaker 4: So I don't feel bad for her that that door
- 1:40:00Speaker 4: dash banned her pending investigation. I think that that was
- 1:40:06Speaker 4: perfectly appropriate, and you know, I think that it was
- 1:40:12Speaker 4: perfectly acceptable for them to penalize somebody for violating their
- 1:40:20Speaker 4: policies regarding their consumer's private information being published like that.
- 1:40:27Speaker 4: I certainly wouldn't order from a company if I thought
- 1:40:31Speaker 4: that their delivery people might start taking pictures of my
- 1:40:36Speaker 4: home and posting them online. That's that would be I'm
- 1:40:43Speaker 4: not paying somebody to come and do that. So, you know,
- 1:40:48Speaker 4: I hope that this works out, that they figure out
- 1:40:51Speaker 4: what happened, and if the guy was being a pervert,
- 1:40:56Speaker 4: and there's some law he violated in doing that, you know,
- 1:41:00Speaker 4: accountability obviously. But if she opened his door and filmed
- 1:41:07Speaker 4: him and then posted it online, I hope she gets
- 1:41:10Speaker 4: treated the same way as if a man did that
- 1:41:12Speaker 4: to a woman. And I hope most people have more
- 1:41:17Speaker 4: sense than if they run across somebody who's unconscious like that,
- 1:41:23Speaker 4: in a situation where they were told something that should
- 1:41:26Speaker 4: lead them to not expect to find that, not expect
- 1:41:30Speaker 4: to find an open door and an unconscious person, that
- 1:41:34Speaker 4: they would actually immediately just call nine one one and
- 1:41:37Speaker 4: describe the situation, even if they were afraid to approach
- 1:41:40Speaker 4: and find out if something was wrong, you know, to
- 1:41:44Speaker 4: at least get first responder's attention on the situation in
- 1:41:50Speaker 4: case that individual was actually in distress.
- 1:41:59Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, dropping the food and leaving is all
- 1:42:04Speaker 3: she should have done. If she was to take a
- 1:42:08Speaker 3: photo at all, it should have been of the package
- 1:42:11Speaker 3: being dropped at the doorstep. And that's all she should
- 1:42:16Speaker 3: have done. She didn't even need to do that way.
- 1:42:18Speaker 3: It depends on what she's required to be proved to do.
- 1:42:26Speaker 3: But yeah, dropping the food and leaving is absolutely all
- 1:42:29Speaker 3: she should have done. How the fuck is that even controversial?
- 1:42:33Speaker 3: Where is even the controversy? And that especially given the outcome,
- 1:42:37Speaker 3: especially given that door dash also banned the customer. Now,
- 1:42:43Speaker 3: even given the apparent controversy, it's not as though the
- 1:42:48Speaker 3: consequences were only exacted in one direction. Both the customer
- 1:42:52Speaker 3: and the employee were punished by being banned from the
- 1:42:57Speaker 3: service even though the customer did nothing wrong. There could
- 1:43:02Speaker 3: be a goddamn orgy going on on the property and
- 1:43:06Speaker 3: it's exactly zero of this. Bitch is be wax. Is
- 1:43:11Speaker 3: this not part of the training that door dash gives
- 1:43:14Speaker 3: its employees. If not, it fucking should be Okay, I'm
- 1:43:18Speaker 3: gonna have to play the as a card against my
- 1:43:23Speaker 3: usual better judgment. But as a postman, I used to
- 1:43:27Speaker 3: be a postman, and even postman even as government employees,
- 1:43:32Speaker 3: even as royal employees, no less as as as they
- 1:43:35Speaker 3: used to be. Even postmen are absolutely not permitted to
- 1:43:40Speaker 3: trespass on anyone's interior property. They're allowed to go as
- 1:43:45Speaker 3: far as wherever the letterbox is and not a step further.
- 1:43:49Speaker 3: Why would they be If the door is wide open,
- 1:43:53Speaker 3: you drop the package just inside the door and you
- 1:43:57Speaker 3: go that's it. Thank fuck, I don't have to ring
- 1:44:00Speaker 3: the doorbell and waste my time waiting for this douchebag
- 1:44:04Speaker 3: to answer the fucking door. I know there's this stereotype
- 1:44:08Speaker 3: that postmen tend to just fuck off without ringing the
- 1:44:12Speaker 3: doorbell and leave like a card saying you weren't at home,
- 1:44:17Speaker 3: so we've taken your package back to the depot, please
- 1:44:21Speaker 3: come here and pick it up. But I can assure
- 1:44:24Speaker 3: you this is utter bollocks. Postmen don't want to have
- 1:44:29Speaker 3: to take the package back to the depot. That's just
- 1:44:32Speaker 3: extra work, especially if you have to do everything by foot.
- 1:44:37Speaker 3: The ideal workday for a postman or any courier is
- 1:44:42Speaker 3: to be able to deliver every package safely inside the
- 1:44:47Speaker 3: property and then go the fuck home without having to
- 1:44:51Speaker 3: drop anything off at the depot. The sooner we can
- 1:44:54Speaker 3: achieve this, the better. Postmen don't get to clock off
- 1:44:59Speaker 3: and go go home at a specific hour. They have
- 1:45:03Speaker 3: to deliver everything, or attempt to deliver everything, and they
- 1:45:07Speaker 3: don't get to go home until they've completed their round
- 1:45:13Speaker 3: their walk. Whether it's completed at one pm or five pm,
- 1:45:17Speaker 3: there's no excuse, so they're all trying to get their
- 1:45:22Speaker 3: work done as quickly as possible. It would never have
- 1:45:26Speaker 3: occurred to me in the event that I encountered an
- 1:45:29Speaker 3: open door to sneak into that house out of curiosity
- 1:45:34Speaker 3: just to see what's in there. It would just be
- 1:45:36Speaker 3: a waste of my fucking time. Not to mention a
- 1:45:40Speaker 3: potential crime. Even if it's not a crime, it would
- 1:45:44Speaker 3: it would be something that the customer could complain about it,
- 1:45:49Speaker 3: and in the event that they did complain, it would
- 1:45:51Speaker 3: be an instant sackable offense to trespass on someone's interior
- 1:45:56Speaker 3: property as well. It should be. The only exception would
- 1:46:01Speaker 3: be if I witnessed a crime that's that's one of
- 1:46:06Speaker 3: the perks of being a postman. Sometime sometimes they are
- 1:46:09Speaker 3: the first to witness a crime scene or indeed a
- 1:46:13Speaker 3: crime taking place. In that event, it's acceptable for you
- 1:46:17Speaker 3: to report that crime to your line manager and they
- 1:46:21Speaker 3: will report it to the police. And pardon my spleen.
- 1:46:26Speaker 3: But a man sitting in his own house with his
- 1:46:28Speaker 3: knob out is not a fucking crime, even if he's awake,
- 1:46:34Speaker 3: even if he's standing in the living room jacking it
- 1:46:38Speaker 3: to the Discovery Channel or whatever, that's not a fucking crime.
- 1:46:42Speaker 3: It's his house, it's his TV, it's his knob. So
- 1:46:47Speaker 3: hippretty happily get off my property.
- 1:46:50Speaker 6: If the man is unfucking conscious on the sofa and
- 1:46:56Speaker 6: happens to have his knob out, how in anyone world
- 1:47:00Speaker 6: is that supposed to be a threat?
- 1:47:03Speaker 3: Fuck you entirely, not not literally, don't actually fucking you
- 1:47:07Speaker 3: know what you know figuratively, Fuck you entirely. This is mental.
- 1:47:14Speaker 3: It is like that case in I think it was Canada,
- 1:47:17Speaker 3: where where some woman snuck into a man's backyard and
- 1:47:21Speaker 3: then she saw him naked through the window and then
- 1:47:25Speaker 3: had him prosecuted for indecent exposure. Needless to say, This
- 1:47:30Speaker 3: would never happen if the sexes were reversed. If a
- 1:47:33Speaker 3: man snuck onto a woman's property and saw her in
- 1:47:37Speaker 3: her birthday suit, he would get sacked on the spot
- 1:47:41Speaker 3: and probably arrested on the spot and put on the
- 1:47:44Speaker 3: sex offenders registry, never be employable again, and probably spend
- 1:47:49Speaker 3: years in prison. But the worst this bitch gets is
- 1:47:53Speaker 3: being sacked from door dash, and she still gets to
- 1:47:57Speaker 3: complain that she's the goddamn victive. I hate this world.
- 1:48:01Speaker 3: I don't know why anyone wouldn't hate this world. It's fucked.
- 1:48:05Speaker 3: It's completely fucked.
- 1:48:07Speaker 4: You know, you.
- 1:48:10Speaker 3: Could fix the immigration problem, you could fix all the
- 1:48:13Speaker 3: racism problems, you could even fix all the wars, but
- 1:48:17Speaker 3: we would still have this, this clown world, fucking situation
- 1:48:23Speaker 3: where a man is a criminal for looking at a
- 1:48:26Speaker 3: woman and a man is also a criminal for being
- 1:48:30Speaker 3: looked at by a woman. Can we please get around
- 1:48:33Speaker 3: to this at some point, anyone, ever? No, isn't it
- 1:48:39Speaker 3: isn't This shit far crazier than any of that other shit?
- 1:48:42Speaker 3: Might this be where all the other crazy shit is
- 1:48:45Speaker 3: coming from? If this kind of craziness is acceptable, then
- 1:48:49Speaker 3: it sounds to reason any other kind of craziness would
- 1:48:51Speaker 3: be would be acceptable? Absolute madness. Sorry, I need a nap.
- 1:48:58Speaker 3: I need a drink and a nap, and another drink
- 1:49:01Speaker 3: and another nap. I need drink drink siphoned into my
- 1:49:05Speaker 3: veins while I'm napping forever. I'm gonna I'm gonna, I'm
- 1:49:08Speaker 3: gonna go try that now. I'm gonna see what kind
- 1:49:10Speaker 3: of mcguiver device I could knock together with a vacuum
- 1:49:13Speaker 3: cleaner in a straw because somehow pump alcohol directly into
- 1:49:17Speaker 3: my liver while I sleep. Wish me luck, Wish me
- 1:49:22Speaker 3: my best possible fortune in the afterlife. Doctor around the
- 1:49:26Speaker 3: mccam mounted news on the Merger radio.
- 1:49:30Speaker 1: In regard to your front door, and don't order any
- 1:49:32Speaker 1: take any delivery, and then to get as drunk and
- 1:49:36Speaker 1: as tired as you want.
- 1:49:38Speaker 4: In regard to the law, I I got some bad news,
- 1:49:42Speaker 4: a pretty big black pill in Hima for all you guys.
- 1:49:46Speaker 4: I worked with a guy back in the nineties who
- 1:49:50Speaker 4: is on a sex offender list for life because a
- 1:49:56Speaker 4: girl who was on the street outside of his house
- 1:50:00Speaker 4: in an argument with her boyfriend called police after he
- 1:50:05Speaker 4: peeked out of his curtain to see what was going on.
- 1:50:08Speaker 4: In the street and said that he was parading himself
- 1:50:12Speaker 4: around naked in front of the window, and he was.
- 1:50:19Speaker 4: He was arrested and prosecuted and convicted of a sex
- 1:50:26Speaker 4: offense for that. So like, just even if you're in
- 1:50:32Speaker 4: your own home, if someone can see you from outside,
- 1:50:41Speaker 4: they will consider your nudity to be public nudity, you know.
- 1:50:46Speaker 4: And this is this is something that has has bugged
- 1:50:49Speaker 4: me ever since I learned about his case, because if
- 1:50:53Speaker 4: he had been a woman and a man had called
- 1:50:57Speaker 4: and said that, they would have arrested man for voyeurism.
- 1:51:02Speaker 4: But because it was a teenage girl and he was
- 1:51:06Speaker 4: an adult man, and she said that even though he
- 1:51:11Speaker 4: disputed her story, he was convicted of exposing himself to
- 1:51:16Speaker 4: her from inside his house behind his curtains. So, guys,
- 1:51:25Speaker 4: if you're going to order from any company that has
- 1:51:28Speaker 4: deliveries and stuff and you want stuff left outside the door,
- 1:51:34Speaker 4: you should be able to expect that people will not
- 1:51:38Speaker 4: come into your house and take pictures of you passed
- 1:51:41Speaker 4: out drunk naked on your couch and then post them
- 1:51:45Speaker 4: online and call the police and accuse you of crime.
- 1:51:47Speaker 4: You should be able to expect that, but you can't.
- 1:51:51Speaker 4: You have to lock your door. You have to protect
- 1:51:54Speaker 4: yourself because the state won't and the public will treat
- 1:52:01Speaker 4: you like you're the pervert, even though she took a
- 1:52:05Speaker 4: photo and she posted it online.
- 1:52:13Speaker 1: All right, Well that was all of our stories and
- 1:52:19Speaker 1: it was a super long sausage.
- 1:52:21Speaker 2: What are you gonna do?
- 1:52:21Speaker 1: So I want to know what you guys think about
- 1:52:25Speaker 1: all of these. Please feel free to leave us a
- 1:52:28Speaker 1: comment and continue the conversations in the chat as well.
- 1:52:33Speaker 1: We're gonna be going to because this has been a
- 1:52:36Speaker 1: pretty contentious incident. We're gonna be going to the Patron Show.
- 1:52:39Speaker 1: We're gonna be looking at some of these tiktoks, which
- 1:52:43Speaker 1: are response videos to the door dash essay girl, or
- 1:52:48Speaker 1: at least the girl who claimed to be essayed by
- 1:52:50Speaker 1: an unconscious man, and we'll see like what the cope
- 1:52:55Speaker 1: looks like on TikTok. So if you want to join
- 1:52:57Speaker 1: us for that, go to Feed the badgetor cop Force Last,
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- 1:53:04Speaker 1: hopefully in the Patron Show. Let me just double check
- 1:53:06Speaker 1: to make sure I'm not missing any super chats or
- 1:53:10Speaker 1: anything like that.
- 1:53:12Speaker 2: Looks good.
- 1:53:13Speaker 1: No super chats, no super chats, no rumble rants. Okay, cool.
- 1:53:17Speaker 1: So anyway with that said, I want to thank you
- 1:53:19Speaker 1: guys for coming on the show today, and I want
- 1:53:22Speaker 1: to thank Hannah and Mike for joining me and you know,
- 1:53:27Speaker 1: so that we can talk about these things Cuz I
- 1:53:29Speaker 1: think that it's.
- 1:53:30Speaker 2: Absolutely crucial that we have these conversations.
- 1:53:33Speaker 1: And I'm telling you I have it on good authority
- 1:53:35Speaker 1: that we are having an impact and this is a
- 1:53:39Speaker 1: good thing overall. So anyway, with that said, if you
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