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Patrick Mackay _ How He Became the _Devil_s Disciple_ _ Serial Killer Documentary · History Dark

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Speaker 1: Patrick Mackay was a monster.
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Speaker 2: And if ever he gets out of prison, I'm absolutely
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Speaker 2: certain that he'll kill again.
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Speaker 3: Patrick Mackay displays all of the classic signs of that
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Speaker 3: kind of offender we know as the psychopath.
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Speaker 4: It's hard to forgive a man who picks on people
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Speaker 4: who are old and weak and defenseless and murders them brutally.
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Speaker 5: In 1975, the quiet village of Sean in Kent hit
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Speaker 5: the headlines because of a gruesome murder. Father Anthony Crean
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Speaker 5: was killed by repeated blows to the head with an axe.
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Speaker 5: It was the last in a string of murders committed
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Speaker 5: by 22-year-old Patrick Mackay. Just seven years earlier, he'd been
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Speaker 5: labelled a schizoid psychopath. What I want to know is
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Speaker 5: how he was able to commit such horrific crimes and
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Speaker 5: why no one stopped him. I'm Fred Dynage and I'm
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Speaker 5: investigating Britain's most famous murderers. I want to know what
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Speaker 5: turned them into killers, sentencing themselves to death or a
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Speaker 5: lifetime behind bars. How does a child grow into a monster?
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Speaker 5: Patrick Mackay was born in London in 1952. His father, Harold,
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Speaker 5: met his mother, Marion, whilst working together in South America.
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Speaker 5: Marion fell pregnant with Patrick and Harold was sacked, forcing
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Speaker 5: them to return to England. Only 20 years later, Harold
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Speaker 5: and Marion's son was making the news as a psycho killer.
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Speaker 5: Journalist John Pennycate studied the case and wrote a book
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Speaker 5: about the man behind the murders. Let's talk first of
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Speaker 5: all about Patrick Mackay's childhood, because it was a very
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Speaker 5: troubled childhood he had, wasn't it? Yes.
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Speaker 4: His father was... an unhappy man who'd had a very
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Speaker 4: traumatic war and turned into an alcoholic and used to
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Speaker 4: come home at weekends on Fridays and Saturdays, very drunk,
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Speaker 4: and beat up his wife, Marion, and attacked the little boy.
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Speaker 5: Harold Mackay worked as an accountant, a job he hated.
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Speaker 5: He escaped the pressures of his everyday life by drinking
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Speaker 5: away his weekly wages.
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Speaker 4: There might be such a thing as a psychopathic gene.
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Speaker 4: That being somebody without scruples or morals or compunctions of
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Speaker 4: any kind, it might just run in families.
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Speaker 5: Someone who got to know Patrick Mackay as a child
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Speaker 5: and became involved in his family life is former police
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Speaker 5: officer Amy Tapp.
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Speaker 6: We used to patrol the town and we used to
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Speaker 6: go into the park and I went in and there
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Speaker 6: was Patrick in the middle of a little pond with
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Speaker 6: a great big piece of cement which he was going
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Speaker 6: to hit somebody else with, another boy. Boys like to fight.
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Speaker 6: But this boy was very, very violent and I took
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Speaker 6: him home and I left him with his mother and
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Speaker 6: hoped that that would be the end, but it certainly
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Speaker 6: wasn't because after that we used to have calls to
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Speaker 6: the house and we'd go up to the house where
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Speaker 6: he'd be going raving mad.
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Speaker 5: When Patrick was ten, his father died from a heart attack.
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Speaker 5: Harold's final words to his son were, remember to be good,
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Speaker 5: an ironic statement from a man who'd made his child's
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Speaker 5: life a nightmare.
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Speaker 4: The boy never saw him dead, and the boy didn't
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Speaker 4: go to the funeral, and therefore Patrick never had any
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Speaker 4: direct evidence of his father's death. And for the rest
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Speaker 4: of his life, he fantasised that his father was still alive.
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Speaker 1: Or.
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Speaker 4: started referring to other older men as Dad. Harold Mackay
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Speaker 4: was a problem alive. He was a problem for Patrick Debb.
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Speaker 5: Maddy and Mackay struggled to cope with the loss and
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Speaker 5: suffered from a mental breakdown, while Patrick developed into a bully.
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Speaker 5: He became violent towards his mother and two sisters, believing
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Speaker 5: his mother preferred the girls to him. Policewoman Amy Tapp
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Speaker 5: saw these tantrums firsthand.
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Speaker 6: If he got another boy, That boy could cry, he
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Speaker 6: could shout and yell, and there was never any compassion
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Speaker 6: there at all. He just was cruel, and you knew
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Speaker 6: that eventually he was going to do something which was serious.
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Speaker 5: What happens to a child in the first years of
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Speaker 5: their life, of course, can shape the adults they become.
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Speaker 5: Someone who's studied exactly what happens when things go wrong
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Speaker 5: is leading criminologist Professor David Wilson.
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Speaker 3: He has what we would know as the McDonald triad
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Speaker 3: of factors. So three issues in his childhood that's going
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Speaker 3: to be very significant in relation to the adult Mackay
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Speaker 3: is going to become. Cruelty to animals is often a
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Speaker 3: good indicator. So here we would have Mackay who'd sometimes
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Speaker 3: pin birds down on the road so that they would
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Speaker 3: be killed by cars passing over them. Also arson, fire-starting.
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Speaker 3: They like the sense of the power that the setting
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Speaker 3: the fire gives to them. They like watching things unravel.
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Speaker 3: And then the final thing in this triad of factors
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Speaker 3: is bedwetting. We have only a little evidence about that
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Speaker 3: in relation to Mackay, but he does seem to have
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Speaker 3: had this very disturbed childhood that's going to indicate the
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Speaker 3: type of man that he's going to grow into.
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Speaker 5: In 1964, Mackay set fire to a Catholic church, causing
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Speaker 5: £ 150 of damage. That's £ 2, 000 in today's money. The police
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Speaker 5: decided he could no longer be ignored. 11-year-old Mackay appeared
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Speaker 5: at Dartford Juvenile Court on trial for 21 charges, ranging
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Speaker 5: from stealing garden ornaments to arson. He was given three
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Speaker 5: years' probation and sent home to his mother with the
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Speaker 5: encouraging words, don't worry, he'll grow out of it. What
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Speaker 5: was your last encounter with Patrick Mackay, do you recall?
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Speaker 6: One lunchtime, they asked me to go up to this
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Speaker 6: house where his mother lived, and Patrick was in the house,
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Speaker 6: and there was firemen, there was ambulance men, there was
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Speaker 6: police outside, he wouldn't let anybody in. He'd got a
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Speaker 6: can of petrol, He was going to throw it over
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Speaker 6: anybody that came in. I knew that somebody had got
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Speaker 6: to go in, so I went in the kitchen door.
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Speaker 6: I thought, if he comes in and throws that at me,
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Speaker 6: I've got to deal with it. But I called to him.
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Speaker 6: Funnily enough, he came in. I said, Patrick, sit down.
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Speaker 6: He sat down. And I said to him, what's the
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Speaker 6: matter with you? And he said, I don't want all
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Speaker 6: them in there. This is my house. I said, it's
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Speaker 6: not your house, it's your mother's house. And eventually the
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Speaker 6: police were able to come in while we were in
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Speaker 6: the kitchen. And I think the ambulance people took him
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Speaker 6: to Stonehouse on that occasion.
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Speaker 5: Mackay's erratic behaviour continued over the next three years. He
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Speaker 5: spent time in approved schools and psychiatric wards. Each time
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Speaker 5: the teenager was committed, he was released due to his
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Speaker 5: improved behaviour or his mother's persistent petitioning.
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Speaker 4: It's easy to criticise the psychiatrists and social workers and
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Speaker 4: police officers who handled Patrick Mackay, and he slipped through
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Speaker 4: their sort of attention and then went away and did
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Speaker 4: something else and somebody else and somebody else and somebody else. But,
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Speaker 4: I mean, when he was only 15 years old, he
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Speaker 4: was diagnosed by a Home Office psychiatrist as a cold,
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Speaker 4: psychopathic killer.
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Speaker 5: In January 1967, Mackay was due to return to Court
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Speaker 5: Lees-approved school after spending Christmas with his family. Mackay was
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Speaker 5: so distraught at the prospect, he made a suicidal bid
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Speaker 5: and tried to gas himself.
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Speaker 3: He clearly did not want to go back into those institutions. So,
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Speaker 3: for example, often he would attempt suicide. It's quite clear
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Speaker 3: also that he would have his mother, Marion, advocate on
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Speaker 3: his behalf so as to prevent him to go back
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Speaker 3: into those institutions. She clearly wanted to give him a
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Speaker 3: stable home, a stable environment, but really didn't have the psychological,
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Speaker 3: the practical wherewithal to be able to deliver on that.
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Speaker 4: Immediately, she hit upon this scheme of taking her three children,
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Speaker 4: her son and two daughters, back to her home country, Guyana,
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Speaker 4: in South America. She went to stay with relations there.
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Speaker 4: The whole thing was a total disaster. They were roused
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Speaker 4: the whole time. The kids were unmanageable. Mrs Mackay was
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Speaker 4: not accepted by her family back in Guyana. And she
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Speaker 4: came back after three weeks. It was a complete waste
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Speaker 4: of time.
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Speaker 5: This upheaval caused Mackay to feel even more unsettled and excluded.
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Speaker 3: You know, one of the elements of this story, Fred,
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Speaker 3: that's very rarely alluded to, though, which has an impact,
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Speaker 3: I think, on Mackay the child, is that his mother, Marion,
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Speaker 3: is Creole. She's from British Guyana. And so that sense
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Speaker 3: of being from a mixed race at a time when
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Speaker 3: England was very much a monoculture, an overwhelmingly white culture,
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Speaker 3: he's neither one thing nor the other. So there's a
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Speaker 3: complexity there being built up in a variety of different
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Speaker 3: layers through the mental, health of his mother, the alcoholism
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Speaker 3: of his father, and of course this idea of him
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Speaker 3: being mixed race.
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Speaker 5: When he returned to England, it wasn't long before Mackay's
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Speaker 5: violence resumed. His mother and sisters were on the receiving end.
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Speaker 5: He mentally and physically abused them. The 15-year-old repeatedly tried
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Speaker 5: to commit suicide. He put his head over a ring
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Speaker 5: on the gas stove. When that failed, he tried to
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Speaker 5: drown himself under a tap. And when that failed, he
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Speaker 5: stabbed himself with a bayonet.
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Speaker 4: Any psychiatrist will tell you there's a big difference between
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Speaker 4: suicidal gestures, which are in a way a sort of
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Speaker 4: appeal to help, so you make this dreadful self-harming gesture.
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Speaker 4: I'm not convinced myself that Mackay ever did anything genuinely
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Speaker 4: to kill himself. He just did suicidal things like walking
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Speaker 4: along tube line tracks and things like that.
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Speaker 5: In October 1968, Mackay appeared in front of Essex Assizes,
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Speaker 5: charged with the violent assault of a young boy. The
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Speaker 5: 16-year-old was found guilty and sent to Moss Side High
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Speaker 5: Security Hospital in Liverpool.
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Speaker 3: There's no real attempt to help him develop, for example, empathy,
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Speaker 3: to understand the impact that he's having on other people's
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Speaker 3: lives when he's behaving in a violent way. So institutionally,
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Speaker 3: nothing is really helping him because there's not enough concerted
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Speaker 3: psychiatric help to deal with these underlying psychopathic tendencies.
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Speaker 5: In 1972, at the age of 19, Patrick Mackay was
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Speaker 5: released from Moss Side Hospital back into society. This was
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Speaker 5: despite the fact doctors had warned that he was dangerous
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Speaker 5: and a schizoid psychopath. It wasn't long before they were
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Speaker 5: proved right. I'm Fred Darnage and I'm investigating the case
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Speaker 5: of Patrick Mackay. Certified a psychopath at the age of 15,
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Speaker 5: he went on to kill at least three people. By
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Speaker 5: the age of 19, he'd spent the past eight years
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Speaker 5: in and out of mental institutions. The system had failed him.
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Speaker 5: Now Mackay was about to exact his revenge. The troubled
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Speaker 5: teenager found it difficult to form relationships. Carmelite priest Father
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Speaker 5: Creon saw an opportunity to befriend this lost soul, hoping
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Speaker 5: that patience and kindness would cure his violent ways.
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Speaker 4: Patrick was clearly a very disturbed character to almost everybody
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Speaker 4: who met him. By the time he met Father Creon,
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Speaker 4: he was in his sort of mid-teens and he was
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Speaker 4: drinking as his Father had done before him, and Father
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Speaker 4: Crean used to buy him drinks in the pub, which
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Speaker 4: made him, in Patrick's eyes, a very good friend indeed. But,
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Speaker 4: of course, Patrick responded to this friendship by eventually robbing
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Speaker 4: Father Crean of a cheque, which he cashed in the
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Speaker 4: local bank, which set up a whole set of consequences.
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Speaker 4: Father Crean intervened with the police not to press charges,
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Speaker 4: but the police decided that he ought to be charged,
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Speaker 4: and he was charged. He was ordered to pay compensation
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Speaker 4: and pay the money back.
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Speaker 5: Mackay couldn't resist his criminal impulses, stealing money and food
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Speaker 5: and cigarettes and often breaking into people's homes. He was
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Speaker 5: well known to Ken Tappenden, who at the time was
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Speaker 5: a detective inspector working with Kent Police.
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Speaker 2: He would befriend priests and vicars where he knew that
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Speaker 2: there was an easy touch really, that they would give.
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Speaker 1: Him money and he would go off and he would eat.
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Speaker 1: And he had a propensity to buy scotch as a drink.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't always a drunkard, but even in his early days,
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Speaker 2: he did like scotch. And when he got into scotch,
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Speaker 2: he got not violent, he got very excitable in his
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Speaker 2: own behaviour.
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Speaker 5: Mackay drifted back to London and found the normal family
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Speaker 5: life he'd always craved with a cowdress in Stockwell.
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Speaker 4: He was drinking companions with the sons and they took
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Speaker 4: him back home. And with a dad and a mum...
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Speaker 4: there was a family unit such as he hadn't had
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Speaker 4: for the best part of a decade. And he called
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Speaker 4: the Cowdrays, Mr and Mrs, Mum and Dad. And Cowdray
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Speaker 4: used to say to him, I'm not your dad. And
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Speaker 4: he said, yes, you are. I adopted you. This was
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Speaker 4: a substitute family. Well, he took absolute advantage of the Cowdrays.
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Speaker 4: He used to go there and doss and sleep time
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Speaker 4: after time after time. But I think it was the
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Speaker 4: nearest Mackay came to a proper, normal place. friendly relationship
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Speaker 4: with people of his own generation and his parents' generation.
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Speaker 5: It was Valentine's Day 1974. Akai had just been released
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Speaker 5: from Tooting Beck Hospital after yet another suicide attempt. It
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Speaker 5: was on that very same day his violent rage inflamed.
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Speaker 5: He was to become more terrifying than he'd ever been before.
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Speaker 4: He virtually didn't bother looking for work. and went on
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Speaker 4: a spree of mugging. Basically, handbag snatching old ladies in Chelsea.
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Speaker 4: Chelsea is full of fairly well-off old ladies. Sadly, many
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Speaker 4: of them widows. Sadly, many of them living on their own.
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Speaker 4: Absolutely fair game for a big strapping lad like Mackay,
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Speaker 4: who used to go up to them and say, can
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Speaker 4: I carry your shopping? And things like that. or various
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Speaker 4: silly ruses to get into their flats and houses. He
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Speaker 4: stole hundreds and hundreds of pounds that way.
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Speaker 5: 84-year-old widow Isabella Griffiths had been dining out for lunch
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Speaker 5: and shopping with friends when she returned home to Chain
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Speaker 5: Walk in Chelsea.
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Speaker 2: He first met her when she was carrying two very
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Speaker 2: heavy bags back to Chain Walk. And basically he carried
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Speaker 2: one and she carried the other. He didn't kill her
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Speaker 2: on the first occasion, he befriended her. I think it
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Speaker 2: was about two weeks later, he went back past the
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Speaker 2: house again and he knew she was in because he
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Speaker 2: saw the light on.
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Speaker 3: He goes knocking on her door to ask if she
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Speaker 3: needs any shopping done on her behalf. She has the
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Speaker 3: latch on the door, opens the door, Two Patrick sees
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Speaker 3: it's him and says, no, I don't need any shopping
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Speaker 3: done for me today.
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Speaker 5: Mackay was enraged. He burst through the door, breaking the chain,
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Speaker 5: and swiftly strangled the 84-year-old lady in her own hallway.
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Speaker 5: Mackay then moved Mrs Griffith's body into the kitchen and
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Speaker 5: wandered aimlessly around her home.
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Speaker 2: He always sat down and thought, where's my life leading me?
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Speaker 2: He used to talk like that. Where am I going
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Speaker 2: in my life? But he came downstairs, listened to Edward
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Speaker 2: Heath on the radio. Then he thought, no, I'm excited now.
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Speaker 1: Went to the kitchen.
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Speaker 2: She was still laying there. Whether she was dead or
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Speaker 2: not at that time, we don't know. But he took
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Speaker 2: a knife out, and I think his description was, if
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Speaker 2: you take a 12-inch ruler, it's about as long as that.
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Speaker 2: This was in his 46-page statement to us. And he said,
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Speaker 2: I wanted to put it, just below her chest, right
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Speaker 2: through the solar plexus, so that I'll miss the bones.
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Speaker 1: And he did exactly that, pinned her to the floor
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Speaker 1: with the knife. Mrs.
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Speaker 5: Griffiths was dead, but still Mackay remained in her flat
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Speaker 5: and rearranged her body, or as he later wrote, I
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Speaker 5: wanted in death to make her comfortable. He tied it up,
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Speaker 5: putting the crockery in the sink and closing the curtains.
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Speaker 5: Mackay then headed... into the night.
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Speaker 1: Why would he stay so long?
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Speaker 5: Why would he not commit the crime and then get
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Speaker 5: out as quick as possible?
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Speaker 1: Well, he doesn't leave.
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Speaker 3: So this reveals some very muddled thinking, perhaps because he
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Speaker 3: was drunk, perhaps because he was high, or perhaps because
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Speaker 3: he simply liked being in an environment where he was
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Speaker 3: in total control.
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Speaker 5: If this poor lady hadn't said, no, I don't want
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Speaker 5: any shopping, go away, and invited him in, would she
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Speaker 5: have lived?
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Speaker 3: That is a very good question because I think he
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Speaker 3: snaps when Mrs.
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Speaker 1: Griffiths says no.
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Speaker 3: Her failure to allow him into her flat is for
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Speaker 3: Mackay the straw that breaks the camel's back, the incident
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Speaker 3: that pushes him over the edge.
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Speaker 5: Isabella Griffith's body remained undiscovered for 12 days. There were
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Speaker 5: no clues to identify her killer. The police had hit
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Speaker 5: a brick wall. Television appeals were made, but the case
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Speaker 5: remained unsolved. Mackay's violence had escalated into murder.
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Speaker 3: Here's the key thing, Fred. He's learned that elderly people
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Speaker 3: like Isabella Griffiths are vulnerable. He's learned that often he
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Speaker 3: can use his charm to... get into their flats to
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Speaker 3: get into their lives. Again, we're dealing with the psychopathy. Again,
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Speaker 3: we're dealing with the sense in which he's going to
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Speaker 3: have a parasitic lifestyle. He's going to live off these
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Speaker 3: elderly women that he identifies as being vulnerable.
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Speaker 5: On the 10th of March... 1975, Mackay was pursuing his
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Speaker 5: usual pattern of stalking elderly ladies when he met 89-year-old
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Speaker 5: Adele Price returning from a shopping trip.
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Speaker 4: In this case, she lived in a flat, in a
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Speaker 4: block of flats in Lowndes Square, He followed her in
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Speaker 4: by shaking his own set of keys to give the
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Speaker 4: impression that he himself was a tenant there and was
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Speaker 4: going to let himself in.
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Speaker 2: He said he felt faint, and she said, I'll give
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Speaker 2: you a cup of tea, but this is how plausible
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Speaker 2: he was.
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Speaker 1: He said, no, I don't want tea, just give me
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Speaker 1: some water. He could be very plausible.
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Speaker 2: He was always lying, lying about his name, lying about
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Speaker 2: where he came from, but he was very convincing, very
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Speaker 2: convincing to policemen, let alone elderly people and elderly ladies
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Speaker 2: on their own.
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Speaker 5: Adele Price had no reason not to believe the nice
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Speaker 5: young man, but her kindness was a fatal mistake. Mackay
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Speaker 5: ordered Mrs Price into the bedroom, telling her, I don't
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Speaker 5: want any complications as I'm feeling on edge.
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Speaker 2: When he got her to a bedroom, that is when
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Speaker 2: he killed her, strangled her with his left hand. I
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Speaker 2: only make an emphasis of saying left or right because
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Speaker 2: this is Mackay. He wanted to tell you, I did
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Speaker 2: it all with one hand, but he did it with
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Speaker 2: the left hand.
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Speaker 1: That's his weakest hand.
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Speaker 5: Adele Price had become Mackay's second victim. He'd relished in
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Speaker 5: his control over the frail elderly lady, an easy strangulation
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Speaker 5: for the powerful 22-year-old.
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Speaker 3: I often think there's an element in which the killer
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Speaker 3: feels powerful doing that. because he's literally looking into the
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Speaker 3: eyes of the person he's about to kill and can
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Speaker 3: see that life draining away. So the killer has given
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Speaker 3: to himself the power of life and death, the power
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Speaker 3: that Mackay has been desperate to have for himself since
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Speaker 3: he was a young boy.
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Speaker 5: The murder of Adele Price was without motive. She was
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Speaker 5: unable to put up a fight. and had lost her
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Speaker 5: life trying to help out a stranger. Mackay later described
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Speaker 5: the killing, I felt hellish and very peculiar inside. This
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Speaker 5: peculiar feeling I had for some days before and after
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Speaker 5: each killing. Once again, Mackay had gone away with murder.
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Speaker 5: I'm Fred Darnage, and I'm retracing the case of psychopathic
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Speaker 5: killer Patrick Mackay. He'd been committed to psychiatric hospitals on
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Speaker 5: more than five occasions, been twice to the Moss Side
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Speaker 5: High Security Hospital, been in prison on two occasions and
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Speaker 5: carried out 24 muggings. Now he'd killed two elderly ladies,
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Speaker 5: but Patrick Mackay wasn't finished yet.
22:41
Speaker 2: He always had death on his mind and he always
22:43
Speaker 2: had killing on his mind. He was a very dangerous
22:46
Speaker 2: man by now and the Metropolitan Police couldn't get up
22:50
Speaker 2: with him.
22:52
Speaker 5: It was the 10th of March, 1975. The body of
22:56
Speaker 5: Adele Price, his second victim, lay in the bedroom where
23:00
Speaker 5: Mackay had just strangled her. After killing Mrs Price, he
23:04
Speaker 5: took a nap, only to be awoken by the elderly
23:07
Speaker 5: lady's granddaughter on the flat intercom. Unable to contact her grandmother,
23:13
Speaker 5: she let herself in and walked up the stairs. Mackay
23:17
Speaker 5: made a quick exit.
23:20
Speaker 4: She was going up, he was going down. She just
23:23
Speaker 4: thought he was another tenant in the building. When she
23:26
Speaker 4: got there, she unlocked the bedroom door, found her grandmother
23:31
Speaker 4: and assumed it had been a heart attack. And the
23:34
Speaker 4: medics arrived and a policeman arrived. And he was only
23:38
Speaker 4: a PC. He said, well, describe to me what happened.
23:41
Speaker 4: And this girl said, well, I unlocked the bedroom door
23:44
Speaker 4: and there she was lying there. You unlocked it from
23:46
Speaker 4: the outside? And she suddenly said, I told everything to
23:51
Speaker 4: the ambulance guys, don't touch a thing. He twigged that
23:55
Speaker 4: this was a murder scene. And that PC got a
24:00
Speaker 4: commendation from his superintendent for his quick thinking. It doesn't
24:04
Speaker 4: occur to the girl this might be a murder.
24:06
Speaker 3: In my research about serial killers in Britain, elderly people
24:11
Speaker 3: are the group that are targeted most regularly by British
24:15
Speaker 3: serial killers. there have been 225 elderly people at least
24:21
Speaker 3: murdered by British serial killers since 1960. What is it
24:26
Speaker 3: about the state of being elderly in our culture that
24:31
Speaker 3: makes them a suitable target for serial killers? Is it
24:35
Speaker 3: their voicelessness? Is it their powerlessness? Is it the fact
24:39
Speaker 3: that if an elderly person dies, we don't question that death,
24:44
Speaker 3: but simply accept it?
24:47
Speaker 5: Again, the police had no suspects for the murder of Mrs.
24:51
Speaker 5: Price and the crime went unsolved. But Mackay's violent ways continued,
24:57
Speaker 5: assisted by his obsession with Nazism. He'd made himself a
25:02
Speaker 5: crude Nazi uniform and, on occasions, could be seen goose-stepping
25:07
Speaker 5: and saluting to Hitler.
25:13
Speaker 3: One of the things that Nazism talked about was how
25:16
Speaker 3: the Aryans were a pure race.
25:19
Speaker 4: Now there's a.
25:19
Speaker 3: Sense in which by identifying with a pure race, there's
25:24
Speaker 3: some sense in which Mackay is rejecting that kind of
25:28
Speaker 3: mixed race background that he comes from. And also psychodynamically,
25:33
Speaker 3: he's trying to make himself scary. People will be afraid
25:37
Speaker 3: of him because so much of his life was about
25:40
Speaker 3: him being afraid of his father.
25:44
Speaker 5: 22-year-old Mackay continued to drift from place to place.
25:50
Speaker 3: He is able to hold down jobs occasionally, so he's working,
25:54
Speaker 3: he's staying in hostels, he's staying with the Cowdreys, moving
25:58
Speaker 3: from one particular location to another location, always committing petty
26:03
Speaker 3: crime as well as whatever job he may have been
26:06
Speaker 3: able to come by.
26:08
Speaker 5: But the usual pattern of Mackay's life was about to change.
26:13
Speaker 5: Over the past two years, Mackay became good friends with
26:17
Speaker 5: Father Creon, the Catholic priest he'd once robbed. The Cowdery
26:21
Speaker 5: family found this friendship rather strange and the Cowdery boys
26:26
Speaker 5: goaded Mackay that his friendship with Father Creon was actually homosexual.
26:32
Speaker 5: This angered Mackay.
26:35
Speaker 7: What was the.
26:35
Speaker 5: Relationship between Mackay And Father Creon, was it a strange relationship?
26:41
Speaker 2: No, it was a friendly relationship in the beginning where
26:44
Speaker 2: Creon actually did try to befriend him and try to
26:48
Speaker 2: give him food, if you like, to put it in
26:51
Speaker 2: simple terms, try to give him a drink, try to
26:54
Speaker 2: make him feel as if he was wanted at the
26:58
Speaker 2: kind of nun's home, the priesthood.
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Speaker 4: There is absolutely no evidence that I or my co-author
27:04
Speaker 4: saw to suggest that there was a homosexual relationship. between
27:08
Speaker 4: Father Creon and Patrick Mackay. However, his friends, the Cowdrays,
27:14
Speaker 4: turned it into a bit of a joke, the fact
27:16
Speaker 4: that he'd befriended a single supposedly celibate Catholic priest and
27:23
Speaker 4: made crude and disparaging jokes about his supposed relationship with Creon.
27:30
Speaker 4: According to Vic Cowdray, this threw Patrick into an enormous rage.
27:34
Speaker 5: On March 21st, 1975, just 11 days after the death
27:40
Speaker 5: of Adele Price, Mackay decided to visit Father Crehan in Sean,
27:45
Speaker 5: a small village in Kent.
27:48
Speaker 4: He admitted himself to Father Crehan's cottage. Father Crehan wasn't there,
27:53
Speaker 4: he was outside somewhere. Mackay waited. Eventually, the father came
27:58
Speaker 4: back in and saw Mackay waiting for him. He sensed
28:03
Speaker 4: aggression or something in Mackay and was very, very scared.
28:07
Speaker 4: And Mackay went and grabbed him and they grappled and
28:10
Speaker 4: they actually fought in the hallway of this house. And
28:13
Speaker 4: something triggered this manic frenzy in Mackay.
28:17
Speaker 5: Father Creon broke free and ran to the bathroom, closing
28:21
Speaker 5: the door behind him. Mackay chased after the Catholic priest,
28:25
Speaker 5: seizing an axe from a toolbox in the hallway. He
28:28
Speaker 5: burst through the bathroom door, knocking the terrified priest into
28:32
Speaker 5: the bath.
28:35
Speaker 4: He then produced a knife and started viciously stabbing the
28:38
Speaker 4: old man. He stabbed him in the neck over and
28:41
Speaker 4: over and over, and then he tried to stab him
28:43
Speaker 4: in the head. And this broke the knife, or bent
28:46
Speaker 4: the knife. Mackay then reached for the axe and then
28:51
Speaker 4: set about Father Creon with the axe, crashing it into
28:55
Speaker 4: his head and his face.
28:57
Speaker 7: And this, in fact.
29:13
Speaker 1: That is the axe.
29:14
Speaker 2: That's the one that actually killed Father Crean. He really
29:18
Speaker 2: massacred his head. In fact, when we went to the
29:20
Speaker 2: post-mortem and the top of the skin was taken.
29:23
Speaker 1: Off his head, his head was absolutely mashed inside.
29:27
Speaker 2: And this axe, and it still does to today, has
29:30
Speaker 2: got particles of brain still on it, as you can
29:32
Speaker 2: see on that ring. The ferocity of the way he
29:35
Speaker 2: struck him was quite incredible. He must have really used
29:40
Speaker 2: all his strength, and he was strong. He was strong
29:43
Speaker 2: at 17.
29:45
Speaker 5: The wounds in Father Crean's head were so devastating it
29:49
Speaker 5: left his brain exposed, but he wasn't dead.
29:53
Speaker 4: He was obviously not going to live for very long,
29:55
Speaker 4: but apparently he reached up with his hand to his
29:58
Speaker 4: exposed head Within a short time, lying in this massive blood,
30:04
Speaker 4: in this blood-stained bathroom, he died. Mackay then weirdly put
30:10
Speaker 4: a plug in the bath and ran the bath water
30:15
Speaker 4: so that the dead body of this Catholic priest was
30:17
Speaker 4: floating about in the water. Mackay stayed there on and
30:22
Speaker 4: off for about an hour, watching the body floating in
30:26
Speaker 4: the bath.
30:27
Speaker 2: Undoubtedly he knew he was dead because of the state
30:31
Speaker 2: of the man's body including his head of course and
30:35
Speaker 2: that involuntary movement but he wasn't content just with that
30:39
Speaker 2: the bath was full of water that he ran and
30:42
Speaker 2: he then bobbed the priest up and down for nearly
30:45
Speaker 2: an hour whilst he opened the window looked at a
30:48
Speaker 2: bonfire in the priest's garden and again he said it
30:51
Speaker 2: was just a wonderful experience and the bath just ran
30:54
Speaker 2: completely red with blood.
30:55
Speaker 4: You think he'd have and run 100 miles to get
30:58
Speaker 4: away from such a revolting crime scene. But no, he
31:01
Speaker 4: stayed there. This was the morbidity of his psychopathy.
31:06
Speaker 5: Mackay eventually left Father Crean's house, placing the axe back
31:11
Speaker 5: in the box, and visited his mother for dinner. He
31:15
Speaker 5: then went to the cinema in Gravesend before returning to
31:19
Speaker 5: London on the train.
31:23
Speaker 1: Was he insane?
31:26
Speaker 3: I don't think he was insane. Anybody who repeatedly commits
31:29
Speaker 3: murder is clearly not batting on the same moral wicket
31:34
Speaker 3: as you and I. Those psychopathic traits don't make him insane.
31:38
Speaker 1: And I think a.
31:39
Speaker 3: Lot of the roots of Patrick Mackay's murderous adulthood were
31:45
Speaker 3: shown when he was a very small boy by having
31:49
Speaker 3: an aggressive alcoholic father who regularly beat up Mackay. and
31:55
Speaker 3: also Mackay's mother. We see in that boy the sins
32:00
Speaker 3: of the father being repeated.
32:03
Speaker 1: In the child. Psychopath.
32:06
Speaker 2: I wouldn't put him down as insane. I would say
32:08
Speaker 2: that he could be very lucid. He could be very plausible.
32:12
Speaker 2: He knew where he was going. I think he became,
32:16
Speaker 2: if I want to use your word, insane, the moment
32:19
Speaker 2: he thought, it could be you, you've got to die.
32:23
Speaker 2: and I'm not going out of this place all the
32:26
Speaker 2: time you're alive. And that's when he said, I get excited.
32:29
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think of the word he always used.
32:32
Speaker 2: It's a most unusual word, but it meant worked up,
32:35
Speaker 2: loved it.
32:37
Speaker 1: Someone's got to die now. I've got to kill now.
32:40
Speaker 5: Later that night, Father Crean's body was discovered by one
32:43
Speaker 5: of the nuns from his convent. She called the police,
32:47
Speaker 5: and Ken Tappenden was one of the first on the scene.
32:51
Speaker 2: I got the first call probably about quarter to nine
32:54
Speaker 2: in the evening. And all they said at that time
32:56
Speaker 2: was Father Crean had gone missing. We didn't think too
32:59
Speaker 2: much of it. And then the next call came about
33:02
Speaker 2: 10 to 11. And what they said then was, we
33:07
Speaker 2: haven't found him yet. But a nun is screaming down there.
33:10
Speaker 2: The police were dispatched again. And, of course, the next
33:14
Speaker 2: call was the one that we knew were in business.
33:17
Speaker 5: Nothing could prepare Ken and his police colleagues for what
33:21
Speaker 5: they were about to find.
33:24
Speaker 1: All of us went.
33:24
Speaker 2: You had the very senior policemen from the county come
33:30
Speaker 2: out as well. And it was a macabre scene when
33:33
Speaker 2: we actually found him. Looking into, there was a bath
33:37
Speaker 2: of water. His brain was protruding from his head. The
33:42
Speaker 2: post-mortem revealed that his head was smashed right down to
33:46
Speaker 2: his eyes and nose inside.
33:48
Speaker 5: Father Creon had been killed in the most brutal manner.
33:53
Speaker 5: Now the police had to find the killer, and quickly.
33:58
Speaker 5: I'm Fred Dynage and I'm investigating the horrific murders carried
34:02
Speaker 5: out by Patrick Mackay. He'd already killed two elderly women
34:07
Speaker 5: and now he'd claimed the life of a third victim,
34:10
Speaker 5: a Catholic priest. Father Creon had been brutally battered by
34:14
Speaker 5: an axe at the hands of Patrick Mackay. There was
34:18
Speaker 5: no apparent motive for the frenzied attack. At the time,
34:23
Speaker 5: Ken Tappenden was detective superintendent of Kent Police. It was
34:28
Speaker 5: his hunch that helped the team working on the case.
34:32
Speaker 2: I just, about three in the morning, went back, because
34:36
Speaker 2: you start thinking, who is it? Then, all of a sudden,
34:40
Speaker 2: I thought, that'd be Mackay, because I can remember the
34:43
Speaker 2: wild look at his eyes, and people who have the
34:47
Speaker 2: eyes of a killer, it shows.
34:50
Speaker 5: Mackay left Gravesend and headed back to London after killing
34:54
Speaker 5: Father Creon. The police searched for him and visited the
34:58
Speaker 5: hostel he regularly used. Never in the same place, Mackay
35:02
Speaker 5: wasn't going to be an easy person to find, or
35:06
Speaker 5: so they thought.
35:08
Speaker 4: Someone at that hostel, one of the other inmates or
35:12
Speaker 4: one of the other people living there, remembered Mackay mentioning
35:15
Speaker 4: a family called Cowdery, The police did an electoral register
35:20
Speaker 4: check in South London, lots and lots of Cowdreys in
35:24
Speaker 4: South London, by happy chance. The first one they went
35:28
Speaker 4: to in Grantham Road was Vic Cowdrey, and there was Mackay.
35:32
Speaker 2: He was no trouble. When they went up the hallway
35:35
Speaker 2: and said, you're arrested, he came fairly quietly. But, of course,
35:39
Speaker 2: once they searched the place there, Cowdrey's place, under a
35:43
Speaker 2: lift-up settee, they found swastikas, They found knives, they found
35:48
Speaker 2: a sword.
35:49
Speaker 1: It was an Aladdin's cave. Cowdery must have known about that.
35:53
Speaker 2: I don't say Cowdery lived in fear of him, but
35:56
Speaker 2: I should think he probably slept with one eye open.
35:58
Speaker 5: Mackay confessed to the murder of Father Crean and was
36:02
Speaker 5: sent to Brixton Prison. He was appointed a solicitor, Robin Clark.
36:07
Speaker 5: Robin had previously acted as Mackay's solicitor when he stole
36:11
Speaker 5: the checkbook from Father Crean.
36:14
Speaker 8: When I was sitting at my desk one afternoon... phone
36:17
Speaker 8: call from Detective Chief Inspector Lou Hart at North Fleet
36:22
Speaker 8: Police Station. So he had an interesting client and he
36:26
Speaker 8: knew me and had asked for me, would I come along? And,
36:29
Speaker 8: of course, that then kicked in the saga that we're
36:32
Speaker 8: talking about today.
36:33
Speaker 5: When you first met him and in subsequent meetings, what
36:38
Speaker 5: sort of man did you find?
36:41
Speaker 8: He appeared to be extremely....
36:46
Speaker 1: Introverted.
36:47
Speaker 8: He was difficult to talk to at first until you'd
36:52
Speaker 8: got a decent rapport with him.
36:54
Speaker 5: It was a gruesome killing.
36:55
Speaker 1: It was indeed. What did he tell you about that?
37:00
Speaker 8: He couldn't remember too much after the event and I
37:03
Speaker 8: think this is exactly the history with the other two
37:06
Speaker 8: killings that he did admit to. He just lost his
37:11
Speaker 8: self-control and afterwards sat there wondering what he'd done and
37:15
Speaker 8: why he'd done it.
37:16
Speaker 5: The police had the evidence to charge him for Father
37:19
Speaker 5: Crean's murder, but there were still other unsolved cases outstanding.
37:24
Speaker 5: And Mackay's involvement in the murders of Isabella Griffiths and
37:28
Speaker 5: Adele Price was yet to be proven.
37:31
Speaker 4: In one of the flats where he'd robbed an old lady,
37:35
Speaker 4: he left a fingerprint on a spoon, and Superintendent Bland
37:39
Speaker 4: of the Met ran a fingerprint check because he was
37:43
Speaker 4: convinced there had to be some link between this great
37:47
Speaker 4: spate of muggings and handbag snatches and these murders of
37:51
Speaker 4: old ladies who were very typical of the victims of
37:54
Speaker 4: the other crimes. When the superintendent ran this cheque in
37:58
Speaker 4: the yard with his fingerprint, sure enough, up it came.
38:02
Speaker 4: Patrick Mackay in custody for the murder of Father Crean.
38:07
Speaker 4: So Bland went to Brixton to interview Mackay. And Mackay confessed,
38:14
Speaker 4: certainly to Price and Griffiths.
38:16
Speaker 5: While in prison, Mackay told inmates of other murders that
38:20
Speaker 5: he'd committed. And this information was fed back to the
38:24
Speaker 5: police detectives.
38:26
Speaker 3: The problem is thereafter that there were nine other murders
38:30
Speaker 3: that are associated with Patrick Mackay. And I get the
38:34
Speaker 3: distinct impression that what happened is that the police, in
38:38
Speaker 3: an age before DNA databases, DNA profiling... simply looked through
38:43
Speaker 3: their unsolved murders and went to Mackay and said, were
38:48
Speaker 3: you responsible for this murder? Were you responsible for that death?
38:52
Speaker 8: I think it was a time when the police had
38:54
Speaker 8: a policy of trying to clear up even crimes of
38:58
Speaker 8: murder by way of offences taken into consideration and they
39:02
Speaker 8: lived in hope that Patrick would say, oh yes, that's
39:05
Speaker 8: one I'll have and would own up to about 60 murders.
39:09
Speaker 5: Two more cases stood out as having strong links to Mackay.
39:14
Speaker 5: The police decided they had sufficient evidence to charge him
39:17
Speaker 5: with the murder of Miss Mary Hines in July 1973
39:22
Speaker 5: and the murder of Frank Goodman in June 1974.
39:26
Speaker 2: On Miss Hinds, he smashed her head to bits with
39:30
Speaker 2: a lead pipe, actually, and a lump of wood. He
39:34
Speaker 2: never really wanted to admit that one, probably because it
39:37
Speaker 2: was so gruesome, but in the end, the way he
39:40
Speaker 2: admitted it was, I killed her and it was easier
39:45
Speaker 2: than washing my socks. It gives you enough to start on.
39:49
Speaker 2: He ran a tobacco shop. Mackay went in for cigarettes,
39:54
Speaker 2: he said no, and with that, Goodman had to go.
39:57
Speaker 2: And he kicked the man to death on that one.
40:00
Speaker 5: On the 21st of November 1975, Patrick Mackay stood trial
40:06
Speaker 5: at the Old Bailey, charged with five counts of murder.
40:10
Speaker 5: Was his responsibility diminished by his mental abnormalities, or was
40:16
Speaker 5: he in fact quite sane and knew exactly what he
40:19
Speaker 5: was doing. If he was found insane, Mackay would be
40:24
Speaker 5: sent to a mental institution where he could be treated. However,
40:29
Speaker 5: if it was believed that no-one could help him medically,
40:32
Speaker 5: then prison was the only option.
40:34
Speaker 4: You can only go to Broadmoor or Moss Side if
40:37
Speaker 4: you are going to be receptive to the treatment that
40:40
Speaker 4: is offered there. The object of Broadmoor is not to
40:43
Speaker 4: lock people up forever. The object of Broadmoor is to
40:46
Speaker 4: cure them. When Mackay was on trial at the Old Bailey,
40:51
Speaker 4: the judge was given evidence of all his background in
40:53
Speaker 4: Moss Side and so on, and it was perfectly obvious
40:56
Speaker 4: that he was not susceptible to treatment, that there is
41:00
Speaker 4: no treatment for psychopathy.
41:02
Speaker 8: Diminished responsibility sets out in statute the grounds upon which
41:07
Speaker 8: the court can allow a charge of murder to be
41:12
Speaker 8: reduced to one of manslaughter where the intent to commit...
41:16
Speaker 8: has come about only because of a mitigating factor in
41:22
Speaker 8: Patrick Mackay's case because he was suffering from a psychopathic
41:26
Speaker 8: disorder and the prosecution allowed the allegations of murder to
41:30
Speaker 8: be dropped.
41:32
Speaker 5: Ken Tappenden attended the trial and saw Mackay's unusual behaviour firsthand.
41:38
Speaker 2: There was one day there, just when going to court,
41:42
Speaker 2: and I was going down to get him remanded again,
41:45
Speaker 2: and he was wild.
41:46
Speaker 1: His mother had upset him again because.
41:48
Speaker 2: We told him that she would be in court trying
41:51
Speaker 2: to get him bail.
41:52
Speaker 1: And he said, do my shoes up.
41:54
Speaker 2: And when I looked at his eyes, I had to say,
41:58
Speaker 2: you do your own fucking shoes up, mister. I'm not
42:00
Speaker 2: doing them up. Because I could see he was in
42:03
Speaker 2: a frame of mind. He had those killer eyes again.
42:07
Speaker 5: Patrick Mackay was sentenced to life imprisonment for three counts
42:11
Speaker 5: of manslaughter by way of diminished responsibility. for the killing
42:16
Speaker 5: of Father Creon, Isabella Griffiths and Adele Price. The murders
42:21
Speaker 5: of Miss Hines and Frank Goodman were not withdrawn but
42:24
Speaker 5: left open on file. Mackay was locked away, but his
42:29
Speaker 5: story didn't stop there. The press picked up on the
42:33
Speaker 5: controversial case and wanted to know how this killer had
42:37
Speaker 5: not been stopped earlier. If Patrick Mackay had had help
42:42
Speaker 5: much earlier in his life... Could all this have been avoided?
42:46
Speaker 3: In Patrick Mackay, we are dealing with a serial killer.
42:50
Speaker 3: And therefore, it's very difficult to say that I feel
42:52
Speaker 3: sorry or sympathetic for somebody who's done what Mackay has done.
42:58
Speaker 3: The kinds of background that he had when he was
43:01
Speaker 3: growing up does make one feel sorry for him. And
43:06
Speaker 3: I do get the distinct impression if more had been
43:11
Speaker 3: done with Mackay on a consistent way, we might not
43:15
Speaker 3: have been dealing with a serial killer. We may always
43:18
Speaker 3: have been dealing with a very damaged man, but I
43:21
Speaker 3: don't think he would necessarily have turned to murder.
43:25
Speaker 2: I think the authorities, between all of us, we bred
43:29
Speaker 2: a killer. Now, that's a strong thing to say.
43:32
Speaker 1: We bred a killer. The times that they let him
43:36
Speaker 1: go to kill.
43:37
Speaker 2: Because he was a monster, really, Patrick.
43:40
Speaker 1: And if he were to.
43:43
Speaker 2: come free today, I'm sorry, he'll kill again.
43:47
Speaker 5: Mackay has been in prison for more than 35 years
43:51
Speaker 5: and will spend the rest of his life behind bars.
43:56
Speaker 6: It's very, very sad that a boy grows up like that.
44:00
Speaker 6: I mean, I haven't seen him for years and I
44:02
Speaker 6: probably won't see him, but you just wonder what sort
44:05
Speaker 6: of man he's grown into.
44:07
Speaker 4: He did show this spark of self-awareness and self-knowledge. He
44:12
Speaker 4: knew that he was a very, very, very flawed human being.
44:15
Speaker 4: So while, for our own protection, let's please lock this
44:20
Speaker 4: man up for as long as possible until he's no
44:22
Speaker 4: danger to anybody, at the same time, let's acknowledge that
44:25
Speaker 4: in spite of his hideous background, there was another side
44:28
Speaker 4: to him.
44:29
Speaker 5: Did he ever show remorse for the killing of the
44:33
Speaker 5: two women and or Father Crean?
44:35
Speaker 8: He certainly couldn't understand why he'd done it. I think
44:39
Speaker 8: this troubled him greatly, to think that three people had
44:42
Speaker 8: died at his hands, and for him not to be
44:47
Speaker 8: able to say, well, it was because of A, B,
44:48
Speaker 8: C and D. But I think he'd have used all
44:52
Speaker 8: the letters of the alphabet in trying to explain why
44:56
Speaker 8: he'd done what, unfortunately, he clearly did, and all the
45:00
Speaker 8: harm and distress he caused to others.
45:02
Speaker 5: Patrick Mackay was certified a schizoid psychopath at the age
45:07
Speaker 5: of 15. By the time he was 22, he'd committed
45:11
Speaker 5: unthinkable crimes. I find this case very disturbing, not just
45:16
Speaker 5: because he killed these people in such a horrific way,
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Speaker 5: but I wonder if these murders could have been avoided
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Speaker 5: if the authorities had intervened earlier.
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Speaker 6: Thank you.