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FT Live @ Winter Meetings Day 3: Ken Rosenthal & Jim Duquette's take on Pete Alonso deal + more reports · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Inside Scoop time with e FT senior insider Ken Rosenthals
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Speaker 1: for wrapping up the winter meetings in Orlando.
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Speaker 2: You know what's funny, I just thought of this.
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Speaker 1: The most talked about team is a team that actually
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Speaker 1: hasn't done anything, and it's the Mets.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's true, and they've done Devin Williams right before
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Speaker 3: it was here, by the way, but well, yeah I
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Speaker 3: saw last night, but before this, not during this stretch. No,
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Speaker 3: you're right, and certainly the Mets are going to be
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Speaker 3: the talking point of the sport right now. I just
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Speaker 3: got done writing about them and all this is well
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Speaker 3: and good. Do you want to lose these guys? Okay,
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Speaker 3: but you have to have answers, and I'm not necessarily
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Speaker 3: seeing what those answers are going to be. And I'm
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Speaker 3: sure David Stearns has some kind of plan. They're not
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Speaker 3: talking much about what they're gonna do. That's fine, but
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Speaker 3: they need to outfielders, they need starting pitching, and they
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Speaker 3: don't want to play long term on the big time
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Speaker 3: starting pitchers were and free agency, which I understand. Those
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Speaker 3: guys have questions. And now they have a closer, Devin Williams,
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Speaker 3: who will not have a safety net in Edwin Diaz,
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Speaker 3: so you're gonna need to be busy. I'm sure they
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Speaker 3: know that. They obviously know that. But the way I
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Speaker 3: wrote the column was, if you're a Mets fan right now,
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Speaker 3: the irrational side is winning.
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Speaker 4: Is has thing true about not calling him about Devin Williams,
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Speaker 4: and then therefore he got his feelings, which I totally
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Speaker 4: understand because he's been there.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a star.
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Speaker 4: He is a star of the new when they play
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Speaker 4: the trumpets, he's the man coming out of there and
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Speaker 4: he's done in the biggest stages. So is that a
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Speaker 4: true thing that led to him then going to the Dodgers.
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Speaker 4: I don't know that that alone, well, it adds up.
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Speaker 4: As a player, you want to be respectful. That's where
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Speaker 4: I'm going ages.
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Speaker 5: Especially a guy that has been there, done that.
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Speaker 3: That was one element their offers, I'm sure were another element.
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Speaker 3: Jeremy Heffner leaving Edwin di has had a good relationship
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Speaker 3: with him. All of that adds up, as you said,
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Speaker 3: and players they want a certain respect shown to them,
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Speaker 3: especially someone like DS who meant so much to the
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Speaker 3: franchise from what I've heard, and it's not just with
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Speaker 3: the failure to call him and inform him. With Devin Williams,
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Speaker 3: it was overall from when I've heard that respect he
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Speaker 3: didn't feel was shown to them.
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Speaker 4: By the way, has anyone done a proof of life
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Speaker 4: on Mendy Carlos Mendoza, I saw him yesterday, but today.
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Speaker 5: Now Alonzo's gone.
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Speaker 4: Has anyone has anyone seen or heard from Mendy because
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Speaker 4: he's gonna have to put all this together. I mean, yes,
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Speaker 4: David Searns, but if they don't do what they need
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Speaker 4: to do, it all falls on him, not David Sterns.
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Speaker 3: And you know what, guys, it's going to be a
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Speaker 3: different kind of team obviously. They also made the Semian move.
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Speaker 3: They acquired a thirty six year old second baseman who
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Speaker 3: was in offensive decline and I know what they're saying
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Speaker 3: about run prevention, and Pete Alonso is not the best
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Speaker 3: defensive first baseman. I don't think the Orioles cared all
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Speaker 3: that much about it because they see him as a
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Speaker 3: game changer in their lineup, and he is for them.
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Speaker 3: This is a huge move for Baltimore and the Mets
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Speaker 3: just didn't see it that way. I understand no player
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Speaker 3: is perfect, but man, Peter Lonzo brought an awful lot
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Speaker 3: and like Nimo, like Diaz, he proved he could play
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Speaker 3: in the New York pressure cooker. Not a small thing.
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Speaker 3: Marcus Simeon hasn't done that. Devin Williams has done it
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Speaker 3: to an extent, but he had mixed results this year,
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Speaker 3: So fucked in them. They're gonna have a lot to
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Speaker 3: do and it's not gonna be an easy puzzle.
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Speaker 2: To put back together.
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Speaker 1: What about the puzzle that the Orioles are trying to
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Speaker 1: put back together?
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Speaker 2: Line up looking nice now. They still have a lot
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Speaker 2: of work.
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Speaker 3: To do on the page side. They will be active
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Speaker 3: on starting pitching. I recorded yesterday with Will Salmon that
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Speaker 3: they've been talking to the Marlins about Edward Cabrera. They're
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Speaker 3: also talking about other trades. There have been published reports
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Speaker 3: linking them to Mackenzie Gore and they are also involved
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Speaker 3: in Ranger of Suarez and at the top of the
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Speaker 3: free agent at Market Valdez as well. So this is
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Speaker 3: not it for them, but the breadth of what they
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Speaker 3: have done so far is somewhat astonishing. Starts with Leoti
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Speaker 3: Tavares Andrew Kittridge. They trade for him, then they exercise
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Speaker 3: his option. Ryan Helsley, they trade for Taylor Ward and
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Speaker 3: now Pete Alonso. That's the team that is doing things.
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Speaker 3: That is a team that finished last last season and
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Speaker 3: said not good enough. And it's also an ownership much
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Speaker 3: different than Steve Cohen, of course, but an ownership that,
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Speaker 3: while operating in a mid market, is stepping up and
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Speaker 3: saying it's time, let's go. We gotta get going here.
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Speaker 3: And they are impressively putting a team together.
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Speaker 5: I love. Yeah, we bang on them all the time.
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Speaker 5: Finally Gill get him, go here we go.
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Speaker 3: And you know what, too, there's always a question with
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Speaker 3: a team like that. Cincinnati's facing this, Pittsburgh's facing this,
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Speaker 3: can they actually get the guy? And the Oriols, of course,
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Speaker 3: they bid the the same amount for Schwarber that the
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Speaker 3: Phillies did, but the Phillies were given the right to match,
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Speaker 3: it seems, and just did that. But here are the
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Speaker 3: Orioles and they were in there against the Red Sox,
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Speaker 3: they were in there against well, I guess the Mets
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Speaker 3: didn't really did, but they won. And that's what you
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Speaker 3: have to do in free agency to get the player,
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Speaker 3: you have to win.
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Speaker 5: We all know.
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Speaker 3: It always sounds great the first day and who knows
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Speaker 3: how this will work out. But Peter Alonso's thirty one.
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Speaker 3: It's not gonna stop hitting anytime soon in my estimation.
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Speaker 3: So it's a huge day for the Orioles, huge day
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Speaker 3: for kind of continuing the revival in that city of baseball,
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Speaker 3: which took a little bit of a step back last year.
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Speaker 2: Nothing has actually happened with the trademarket, and.
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Speaker 4: That's gonna I was gonna say who won the Winter
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Speaker 4: Meetings because every year we have offseason winners only.
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Speaker 2: Three moves, I mean, there's a few others.
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Speaker 4: He knows more of the insider what he thinks is
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Speaker 4: gonna happen down the road. Who do you think is
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Speaker 4: maybe set themselves up?
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Speaker 3: Will the Ools for sure set themselves up?
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Speaker 6: Well?
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Speaker 3: Yes, and aj not to cop out, but too early
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Speaker 3: to pass judge. And that's the one thing with the Mets,
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Speaker 3: what they've done so far is curious, to say the least.
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Speaker 3: But it's December tenth, it's not February tenth, and there's
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Speaker 3: plenty of time. I just don't see the options being
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Speaker 3: that great. For example, Peter Alonso is one of the
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Speaker 3: great right handed hitters in the sport. He hit behind
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Speaker 3: Juan Soto, one of the great left handed hitters in
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Speaker 3: the sport. Who is going to fill that spot? The
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Speaker 3: two top free agents, Cody Bellinger and Kyle Tucker are
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Speaker 3: both left handed. The Mets show no inclination that they're
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Speaker 3: going to sign either anyway. Who is the right handed
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Speaker 3: bat behind?
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Speaker 7: So I don't know.
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Speaker 3: I guess those guys should be six to seven in
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Speaker 3: the lineup, you know, could be a trade, could be
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Speaker 3: a trade. But again, one of the reasons the Ools
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Speaker 3: jumped on Taylor was the lack of right handed hitting outfielders.
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Speaker 3: Maybe they signed Harrison Vader back the Mets. I don't know,
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Speaker 3: but he's not a protection guy. And good luck trading
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Speaker 3: for a right handed slugger.
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Speaker 5: Simeon not that guy anymore.
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Speaker 3: Have seven hundred ops the last two years.
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Speaker 1: Hey, we talked about this twenty minutes ago. I was
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Speaker 1: reading some parts from your notes column the Braves, Remember
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Speaker 1: the Braves. What are they going to do this offseason?
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Speaker 1: I know you wrote a little bit about some prying
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Speaker 1: into relievers.
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Speaker 3: Yes they're on relievers, and Robert Suarez is one, but
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Speaker 3: there's competition for him. And it's the other thing with
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Speaker 3: the Mets. By the way, they face competition for all
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Speaker 3: these players. Most of the teams are trying, so that's
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Speaker 3: a problem in addition to everything else. But the Braves
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Speaker 3: they want another reliever, they want a starter, and they
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Speaker 3: want to if possible, continue upgrading at shortstop so they
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Speaker 3: could play Dubon all over the field. Now, hash On Kim,
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Speaker 3: we haven't heard much about him. He's still out there.
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Speaker 3: The Braves of course acquired him for the last stretch
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Speaker 3: of the season to get to know him. He becomes
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Speaker 3: a free agent, of course, which is his writ and
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Speaker 3: which I think was their expectation. But he's a guy
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Speaker 3: that if his market doesn't develop, and there are teams
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Speaker 3: that could use him besides the Atlanta Braves, obviously they
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Speaker 3: would love him to come back.
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Speaker 5: By the way, you know, you said six to seven, right,
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Speaker 5: six seven?
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Speaker 2: There you go, perfect.
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Speaker 3: I'm with the cool kids.
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Speaker 5: I know the shot is like Ken said, sixty seven,
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Speaker 5: which is great.
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Speaker 4: But one of our friends, one of our colleagues, a
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Speaker 4: guy you worked with much more than me, won the
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Speaker 4: Frick Award was Frick. It was the Frick Award, Fortsy
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Speaker 4: Frick Award. Joe Buck one of the best dudes I know.
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Speaker 4: People bash him He's one of the best dudes I
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Speaker 4: know in the world. Always gets back to you. We'll
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Speaker 4: do whatever, give you anything you want. One of the
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Speaker 4: greatest guys in the world, one of the best sports announcers, baseball, football,
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Speaker 4: any sport he can do. One of my favorite people
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Speaker 4: I've ever met. I want your thoughts on him getting
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Speaker 4: into the Hall of Fame.
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Speaker 3: I was thrilled to see this. And I work with him,
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Speaker 3: I believe, maybe fifteen years at Fox.
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Speaker 5: And.
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Speaker 3: I know what people say, Oh, is this he's that
9:09
Speaker 3: the guy called twenty four World Series. He didn't call
9:12
Speaker 3: twenty four World Series because he sucks, Okay, he did
9:16
Speaker 3: because he is the best at his craft. And I
9:20
Speaker 3: was privileged to be part of that team that he
9:23
Speaker 3: was leading. Obviously, as far as the broadcast and AJ
9:27
Speaker 3: I'll tell you this one story because it showed me
9:29
Speaker 3: how gifted he was, and it was such a subtle
9:33
Speaker 3: thing that I'm sure no one noticed. Two thousand and nine, ALCS,
9:37
Speaker 3: I believe the Yankees and Angels are playing. The Yankees
9:42
Speaker 3: are kind of putting the series away a little bit
9:46
Speaker 3: and Tim mccarvert I get this conversation on Airbell looking
9:50
Speaker 3: ahead to the next series Joe pulls it back to
9:53
Speaker 3: the game in a way that was so masterful, so easy,
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Speaker 3: and yet the view the listener would not have even
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Speaker 3: known what had happened. And he has amazing gift, Great
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Speaker 3: on the big moments, great in every aspect of broadcasting.
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Speaker 3: He is, I believe now in both the Baseball and
10:12
Speaker 3: football Hall of Fames again, that guy who is that
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Speaker 3: two Hall of Fames. I don't think he sucks. He's
10:21
Speaker 3: pretty dawn good, all time greats.
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Speaker 2: He's a legend, and he makes every event feel bigger.
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Speaker 3: That's right, and that's why ESPN wanted him, because he
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Speaker 3: elevated them.
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Speaker 5: And does this mean he's coming back into a baseball
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Speaker 5: again though he.
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Speaker 3: Sure doesn't sound like he really wants to do that.
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Speaker 4: I don't know big events deal, Yeah, I know, I
10:42
Speaker 4: know they got some special games.
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Speaker 3: Here and there. I would think he might do it,
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Speaker 3: But he's doing pretty well.
10:52
Speaker 2: It's tough to do multiple sports. A lot of guys
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Speaker 2: do it, but it is also multiple still on.
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Speaker 3: A personal level, before I started Fox on the broadcast
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Speaker 3: in two thousand and six, they had not had a
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Speaker 3: print person be a sideline reporter and Joe and Tim,
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Speaker 3: they didn't have to agree to that. They didn't have
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Speaker 3: to accept that, and yet not only did both of
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Speaker 3: them do it, and they both have now won Frick Awards.
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Speaker 3: They accepted me, they brought me in, they made me
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Speaker 3: feel part of it, and I'm forever in debt to
11:23
Speaker 3: both those guys.
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Speaker 4: I love both those guys the same thing you told
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Speaker 4: me you were talking about Joe and Tim.
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Speaker 5: We were recently at Tim.
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Speaker 4: It was a few years ago Tim mccarver's celebration of
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Speaker 4: life in Saint Louis. I get a call from Bob costas,
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Speaker 4: can you come speak at Tim mccarver's celebrational life if
11:38
Speaker 4: you know the family would like you to speak U
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Speaker 4: And I'm like, well, I knew Tim, and I didn't
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Speaker 4: know Tim like as well as y'all did, but we
11:43
Speaker 4: had a relationship and I'll never get Bob Costa says, hey,
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Speaker 4: can you speak? And I go, well, where you know
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Speaker 4: what am I saying? Just tell stories about Tim Da
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Speaker 4: da da And I said, well, who am I speaking between?
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Speaker 4: He's like, well, between me and Joe Buck. And I'm
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Speaker 4: like wait a second here, Bob cost is me and
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Speaker 4: and then Joe Buck. And then you were there and
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Speaker 4: you saw it was there and I and I did
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Speaker 4: my whole little thing and told some funny to McCarver
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Speaker 4: and then the best was Joe followed me and he
12:08
Speaker 4: weaved what I said into what he was saying. And
12:11
Speaker 4: I was like, Okay, this dude is just the best,
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Speaker 4: and like made it so good.
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Speaker 3: He was inducted into a third Hall of Fame, the
12:17
Speaker 3: National Sports Media Association Hall of Fame. I was there
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Speaker 3: for that, and this was in North Carolina. His speech,
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Speaker 3: it was so hilarious. This guy is one of the
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Speaker 3: funniest people I know. And he's self deprecating, he's humble,
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Speaker 3: he knows he take He took all the criticism because
12:33
Speaker 3: of his father, and he's following his father. It's nepotism.
12:36
Speaker 3: He attacks it head on. He will tell people I'm
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Speaker 3: a nepo baby, and I'm proud of it. And man,
12:44
Speaker 3: I'm sure his dad right now is looking down at
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Speaker 3: his son and saying, man.
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Speaker 4: In twenty years of the day, don't forget the ninety
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Speaker 4: one Kirby Bucket game six Cardinals.
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Speaker 3: That's my call.
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Speaker 4: So do you know that we had a conversation before
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Speaker 4: the game about that. I don't know if you were
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Speaker 4: in the car with us. That was my first ever
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Speaker 4: thing with Fox. And I said, Joe, you know, it's
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Speaker 4: twenty year anniversary. And he knew obviously, and I said,
13:07
Speaker 4: you know, if Cardinals hit a walk off, you got
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Speaker 4: to do it.
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Speaker 5: He's like, oh, trust me, we've I've thought about it already.
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Speaker 4: Oh really And then and then David Frees hit the
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Speaker 4: home run and we'll see you tomorrow night.
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Speaker 5: And this is how good he was though at like
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Speaker 5: forward thinking about.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he was just a master.
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Speaker 5: Is a master. Yeah. I still can't talk about Yes.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, congratulates the second winner after Vince Scully.
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Speaker 5: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Wow, I didn't know that. Well, we'll get him on.
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Speaker 1: We'll talk about it, Ken, we'll talk to you, or
13:36
Speaker 1: we'll hear.
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Speaker 5: From my wife, you know.
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Speaker 3: Oh well, I can just talk about Hoyns old Day too.
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Speaker 5: Oh yeah. But he also is going.
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Speaker 3: In BBWAA winner. Longtime beat writer for the Cleveland Plain
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Speaker 3: Deals since nineteen eighty three, and he's seen it all
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Speaker 3: from Municipal Stadium to Jacob's Field to Progressive Field. Now.
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Speaker 3: He's covered all kinds of teams, good, bad, so ugly.
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Speaker 3: He is beloved among the baseball writers and when he
14:02
Speaker 3: got in yesterday we were all just laughing and thrilled.
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Speaker 3: Is just a fun loving guy on top of everything else.
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Speaker 3: And yeah, Hoynsey and Joe Buck, it's quite a pair.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: We saw great tweets from a lot of the BBWA members,
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Speaker 1: you know, sharing how happy they were for for Hoynese
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Speaker 1: and he's there and you all get to see it
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Speaker 1: in the room.
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Speaker 2: That's very cool, taking a tour of all of the.
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Speaker 1: Past suites that Jim Jucatt has spent time in as
14:36
Speaker 1: he joins us right now, Duke, good to see you
14:40
Speaker 1: and there's a big crowd for you today. Yeah, yeah,
14:43
Speaker 1: we brought them in. Yeah, you're the man of the hour.
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Speaker 1: You know why Yeah, because you worked in the front
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Speaker 1: office GM, both with Baltimore and with the New York Mets.
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Speaker 6: These are my two teams right here.
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Speaker 8: Yes, I've been getting hit up by a lot more
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Speaker 8: Baltimore fans and a ton of upset Mets fans, not
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Speaker 8: just because of love Alonzo, but Diaz, Yes, does this happen?
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Speaker 5: Can you believe this? But it's unbelievable.
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Speaker 4: Like as happy we'll get to the Orioles, as happy
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Speaker 4: as they are, but this to me is more of
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Speaker 4: a met story and David Stern saying we tried with
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Speaker 4: this core group, Nemo gone, Dias gone.
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Speaker 5: Alonso gone. How does this happen?
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Speaker 4: Is this just David Curtin saying I'm doing it my
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Speaker 4: own way and I don't care about money because we
15:28
Speaker 4: still have Soto, we still have Lindor, and we still
15:30
Speaker 4: have other big contracts.
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Speaker 8: It's hard for me to imagine that the plan at
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Speaker 8: the end of the season is disappointing as it was
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Speaker 8: and embarrassing as it was that your plan was, well,
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Speaker 8: we're gonna get better next year and it's not gonna
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Speaker 8: include Brandon, Nemo, Pete, Alonzo, Edwin Diaz.
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Speaker 3: Like.
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Speaker 8: That doesn't That doesn't resonate with me. That doesn't make
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Speaker 8: any sense. But I think you know, when you look
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Speaker 8: at it in its entirety, when you talk about it
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Speaker 8: in silos, and you just think, okay, you know, from
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Speaker 8: a business side, Okay, maybe maybe Nemo is starting to
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Speaker 8: age a little bit. Okay, Diaz, maybe you didn't want
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Speaker 8: to go to three years, which I don't get. But
16:01
Speaker 8: maybe you didn't want to.
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Speaker 5: Go to three years.
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Speaker 8: Oh maybe you didn't want to go more than three
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Speaker 8: years to pee. So there's each individually wrapped. You go, Okay,
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Speaker 8: I understand that angle, But when you have this much
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Speaker 8: change and you know, influx with your team, how are
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Speaker 8: you gonna unravel this? How are you gonna how are
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Speaker 8: you gonna improve? And and does your fan base believe you?
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Speaker 6: That's the other thing.
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Speaker 8: There's a believability factor or lack of credibility right now
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Speaker 8: because of how upset they are about losing two iconic
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Speaker 8: homegrown Mets players.
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Speaker 6: These guys are homegrown, not any good players, but homegrown.
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Speaker 6: So I think there's a huge, huge.
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Speaker 8: You know, PR issue that you'd have to have your
16:37
Speaker 8: head in the sand to not understand or believe. And
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Speaker 8: they like, the next moves better be good, you know,
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Speaker 8: and and they better be like impactful. And that's where
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Speaker 8: I'm still not sure they're gonna go impactful going forward.
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Speaker 2: I got one for you in your ear, crats.
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Speaker 7: Do they I mean the move the moves? It wasn't
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Speaker 7: just like you're not talking about just PR guys. You're
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Speaker 7: talking about the dude who led the team in homers.
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Speaker 7: You're talking about the dude that led the team and
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Speaker 7: saves for the last however many years? Is there do
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Speaker 7: you see a way like you mentioned it like it's
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Speaker 7: hard to say, Okay, we're gonna unravel this. Do you
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Speaker 7: see a way that David Sterns unravels this or is
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Speaker 7: this the beginning of the end for his approach to
17:22
Speaker 7: the way this team's gonna win because it didn't work
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Speaker 7: last year with the starting staff that he assembled.
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Speaker 6: Right, you know, I think that you know, the starters,
17:30
Speaker 6: let's start just there. I mean, he doesn.
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Speaker 8: Want to give up any long term deal, give out
17:34
Speaker 8: any long term deals right to starting pitchers. Okay, well,
17:37
Speaker 8: you know, I think the way the market is playing
17:40
Speaker 8: itself out is kind of looking like it might come
17:42
Speaker 8: in like fall into his hands. If if you look
17:44
Speaker 8: like a Michael King, sounds like no more than four
17:47
Speaker 8: years or three years, you know, if you look at Valdez,
17:50
Speaker 8: sounds like he's having a harder time getting six or seven.
17:53
Speaker 8: I don't get the sense though the Mets are on Valdez,
17:55
Speaker 8: but you know, I think that uh, you know, Zach
17:58
Speaker 8: Gallon still a mix in the but we haven't really
18:00
Speaker 8: heard it. There's a certainly trade potential that I could
18:03
Speaker 8: see happening there with the Mets because they have a
18:06
Speaker 8: host of prospects that you know, strong prospects capital that
18:09
Speaker 8: he's willing to part with. But you know it's still
18:13
Speaker 8: right now you kind of start with that starting rotation. Now,
18:15
Speaker 8: how are you going to improve on the position players? Like,
18:17
Speaker 8: if you're not going to go after Tucker or Bashett
18:20
Speaker 8: you know, and I don't think Bashette fits, but Tucker
18:22
Speaker 8: certainly does. You know, what else are you going to
18:24
Speaker 8: do to improve the offense because you lost two significant
18:26
Speaker 8: offensive pieces?
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Speaker 5: Agreed? Agreed. Right now, we've hit the Mets.
18:30
Speaker 4: We've kind of, I don't want to say blasted the Mets,
18:33
Speaker 4: but we're more surprised on what the Mets off season
18:35
Speaker 4: so far has been.
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Speaker 5: Sure, now let's go to the Orioles.
18:38
Speaker 4: They just picked up a forty plus home run guy,
18:40
Speaker 4: a guy who plays one hundred and fifty to one
18:42
Speaker 4: hundred and sixty two games a year. It's a great
18:44
Speaker 4: guy in the clubhouse from everything I've ever heard. What
18:46
Speaker 4: does he bring to the Orioles? And how happy should
18:49
Speaker 4: the Orioles fans because they got Taylor, they got Taylor Warp,
18:53
Speaker 4: they got now they have penal longs, so they had
18:55
Speaker 4: a two huge bats they should need starting pitching. But
18:57
Speaker 4: is this Micha Elias really saying, hey, we're finally have
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Speaker 4: the money and resources to really go.
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Speaker 8: Well, it looks like it. I you know, I was skeptical.
19:05
Speaker 8: I think a lot of the fans were that they
19:07
Speaker 8: were willing to do this. They got shut out there
19:08
Speaker 8: with Schwarber. They were in on Shober and could have extended,
19:12
Speaker 8: but they got their one of their guys. And I think,
19:14
Speaker 8: you know, when you look at the young talent that
19:16
Speaker 8: they had, it was lacking a couple i'll call them
19:18
Speaker 8: adults in the room, Guys that could be leaders in
19:21
Speaker 8: the clubhouse, Guys that could give you a professional approach,
19:25
Speaker 8: you know, and be impactful to take pressure off the
19:27
Speaker 8: young guys right now. It allows you Gunner to just
19:30
Speaker 8: you know, if he can stay healthy, not worry about
19:33
Speaker 8: anything else.
19:33
Speaker 5: You know.
19:34
Speaker 8: It allows a little bit of room for Rutchmen to
19:36
Speaker 8: going to hopefully get back on track how all day,
19:38
Speaker 8: to develop in his own you know window. You know,
19:42
Speaker 8: he's still a really young kid. You know, maybe it
19:44
Speaker 8: allows Cowser to hit in the seventh hole, which is
19:47
Speaker 8: probably where he is better off, instead of hitting at
19:49
Speaker 8: the top of the lineup. Like it changes their entire
19:51
Speaker 8: lineup around and now they have to go get pitching.
19:54
Speaker 8: But you know you remember this too, ag when when
19:56
Speaker 8: you'd signed somewhere, or let's say, I'll go back to
19:58
Speaker 8: when I signed. When when I was with the Mets
20:01
Speaker 8: and we signed Pedro Martinez Omar signed him when we
20:05
Speaker 8: had we struggled until we got Pedro, and then Pedro
20:08
Speaker 8: helped us get Beltron right, and he got of like,
20:10
Speaker 8: oh wow, Pedro signed there. Okay, there must be doing something,
20:13
Speaker 8: don't Beltron goes. I want to be there too, you
20:15
Speaker 8: Alonzo signing there goes? Okay, well, now they's starting pictures. Okay,
20:19
Speaker 8: now I know what the Oriels are doing.
20:21
Speaker 6: I wasn't sure. Now I know, you know, and I
20:23
Speaker 6: think it just changes.
20:24
Speaker 5: Thank you, Thank you for saying that.
20:26
Speaker 4: Thank you, because I've been saying this crowds AVNI for
20:29
Speaker 4: days now. Teams like the Pittsburgh Pirates, Oh, we want
20:32
Speaker 4: to turn our fortunes around. Show everybody you got to
20:35
Speaker 4: sign somebody, and you might have to overpay a little bit, right,
20:38
Speaker 4: but that shows that they're serious. Right, And here you go,
20:41
Speaker 4: the Orioles are now officially serious.
20:43
Speaker 6: About Jason Worth did it with the Nationals a couple
20:46
Speaker 6: of years.
20:48
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a long list of this afterning.
20:50
Speaker 4: The Cubs did it with Lesser and Lackey, that's right,
20:53
Speaker 4: Rizo and Bryan and all those guys coming, Oh hey,
20:56
Speaker 4: we got and they might have done until the year early,
20:58
Speaker 4: but then they ended up winning the World Series Erlander, right,
21:01
Speaker 4: I mean, so sorry, yeah.
21:03
Speaker 5: Thank you for saying no.
21:04
Speaker 8: I mean it's true, and we've seen it happen so
21:06
Speaker 8: many different times. I don't know why organizations don't do
21:09
Speaker 8: it more. I really don't.
21:11
Speaker 7: Who got the better deal Phillies and Schwarber, Orioles and
21:16
Speaker 7: Pete Alonzo because it's two years younger for Pete, he
21:19
Speaker 7: can still play first. It doesn't hamstring you yet.
21:22
Speaker 8: At d H Right, Well, that's that's a great question
21:26
Speaker 8: because and they're so different, like one's righty, one's lefty.
21:29
Speaker 5: You know.
21:30
Speaker 8: I think with with the Orioles, I think they got
21:34
Speaker 8: the better deal because he can play a position and
21:38
Speaker 8: they needed them so badly, you know, the Phillies, if
21:43
Speaker 8: it wasn't Schwarber, they would have pivoted to Tucker or whatever.
21:46
Speaker 8: This this opens up so many different things, and there's
21:48
Speaker 8: so much skepticism there with the Orioles, like Dave Dombrowski
21:52
Speaker 8: knows what he's doing. You have a high degree of
21:54
Speaker 8: faith and confidence that, oh jeez, if you didn't get
21:56
Speaker 8: sharburh okay, they would done something else.
21:58
Speaker 6: But like I knew, Dave was not gonna.
22:00
Speaker 5: Let Schweber get away.
22:01
Speaker 8: There's no chance, you know, the Hall of Fame, you know,
22:04
Speaker 8: general manager.
22:05
Speaker 6: But with with Michael Llias, there was a lot of
22:07
Speaker 6: uncertainty down there.
22:08
Speaker 8: He needed he needed this one, you know, And and
22:11
Speaker 8: I think you know it'll age.
22:12
Speaker 5: Well.
22:12
Speaker 6: Listen, I'm not gonna bet ever against Schwarbert.
22:15
Speaker 8: If he ends up hitting forty more homers per year
22:18
Speaker 8: over the next five years, we're gonna be talking about
22:20
Speaker 8: in the Hall of Fame like he's gonna have over
22:21
Speaker 8: five hundred home runs if you start to look at legacy.
22:24
Speaker 5: So I like, I love what he is.
22:25
Speaker 8: The problem. The only problem is he's a DH, you know.
22:27
Speaker 8: And I think that's when I say DH, it just
22:30
Speaker 8: hurts your versatility from a front office side of you know,
22:33
Speaker 8: your the way your roster plays out.
22:35
Speaker 5: So I love Kyle Schwarmer.
22:36
Speaker 8: I'd want him on my team any day, and i'd
22:38
Speaker 8: I would make him a full time DH and screw
22:41
Speaker 8: the rotation DH.
22:43
Speaker 6: Like every team likes to do.
22:44
Speaker 8: But you know, in the sense of which one might
22:47
Speaker 8: work better, I think Alonso is just because he has
22:49
Speaker 8: some position, some positional flexibility.
22:52
Speaker 4: Okay, so you mentioned this, and we've talked about the
22:54
Speaker 4: oils forever. They have all these prospects, Cow's are Holiday,
22:58
Speaker 4: Adley Gunner, and they never really where they were reverse
23:00
Speaker 4: to trading them.
23:01
Speaker 5: Right, how much is a prospect really worth?
23:03
Speaker 4: Because we just had a whole Jackson Holiday was worth
23:05
Speaker 4: forty to forty nine million dollars?
23:07
Speaker 6: Right, how much is a prospect really worth?
23:09
Speaker 4: And how do you know when to get rid of
23:11
Speaker 4: them and make that move and hold on to them
23:14
Speaker 4: and then they become too old and now they're not
23:15
Speaker 4: worth anything.
23:16
Speaker 8: So the worth the value when we look at it,
23:19
Speaker 8: a lot of it's in the projection. So like, okay,
23:22
Speaker 8: is Jackson Holiday going to be an impactful second base
23:25
Speaker 8: slash shortstop in the foreseeable future?
23:29
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, you know, is that a five.
23:31
Speaker 8: Or six war player just just just use war as
23:33
Speaker 8: the simple way of evaluating it. Is he going to
23:37
Speaker 8: be a five or six war player over the next
23:39
Speaker 8: four seasons, right or better?
23:42
Speaker 6: And if that's the case, then you then you can
23:44
Speaker 6: put a value on it.
23:45
Speaker 8: You know, you throw eight nine million dollars per war,
23:47
Speaker 8: you can come up with evaluation at least whether you
23:50
Speaker 8: agree with it or not.
23:51
Speaker 6: That's that's how the front officers are doing it, right.
23:53
Speaker 8: So I think that's you know, in Mayo as another example,
23:56
Speaker 8: like they have a high degree of faith that Kobe
23:58
Speaker 8: Mayo is going to be an impact guy.
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Speaker 6: There's too much swing and missing there for me right now,
24:03
Speaker 6: you know.
24:03
Speaker 8: And so you know, what's a potential thirty homer guy
24:08
Speaker 8: that can't make contact, doesn't really do anything for you
24:10
Speaker 8: in the marketplace, that's not as much value, right, so
24:13
Speaker 8: he has to figure out a way to make better
24:14
Speaker 8: contact or else. You know that the value that they
24:17
Speaker 8: think he has is going to go down to two
24:19
Speaker 8: is gonna happen like six months so to strike out?
24:23
Speaker 8: Yeah no, right, So yeah, I think that's the stuff
24:25
Speaker 8: like that, And I'm always fascinated about it because it changes.
24:28
Speaker 8: Like there be times where our valuators would go, oh yeah,
24:30
Speaker 8: this guy is impactful, and then a year later we're like,
24:33
Speaker 8: oh man, we don't have.
24:34
Speaker 6: Any value for this guy.
24:35
Speaker 8: We we held on to him too long, you know,
24:37
Speaker 8: So that that's you know, there's those those impactful guys
24:41
Speaker 8: that usually are obvious, Like when you saw an impactful
24:44
Speaker 8: guy come out, you go, oh yeah, that guy's gonna stick.
24:46
Speaker 6: You could kind of see it with your own eyes.
24:47
Speaker 8: It's the nuance of oh can Jordan Westberg, who really
24:53
Speaker 8: wasn't on the scene that much, can he become an
24:56
Speaker 8: All Star or not? Like those are the guys you're like,
24:59
Speaker 8: okay that you can you make I think missus more
25:02
Speaker 8: misses or hits on those type of guys because you're
25:04
Speaker 8: not really sure when they first come up.
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Speaker 4: School because I think you'll get traded, possibly get traded
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Speaker 4: in the middle of the year, So he's out. Okay,
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Speaker 4: Crochet would be the one on this list.
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Speaker 5: I like that.
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Speaker 4: I just you know, hopefully he can duplicate what he did,
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Speaker 4: replicate what he did last year. And Jacob de Grim
25:59
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Speaker 4: But you know, he had a really good year last
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Speaker 7: Crochet at plus three point fifty because of the concern
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Speaker 5: You're not.
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