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5/7/26: Billionaire Says Tax The Rich Is A Slur, Epstein Alleged Final Note, Glenn Greenwald On ADL & Animal Abuse · Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar

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  Speaker 3: dot com. Turning now to debt, a shocking news statement
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  Speaker 3: from the White House Economic Advisor Kevin Hassett talking about
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  Speaker 3: how credit card spending is up and that's actually good
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  Speaker 3: for the economy.
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  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen.
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  Speaker 4: The head of one of the big five banks in
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  Speaker 4: my office yesterday going through the credit card data, and
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  Speaker 4: just as Secretary Bessince said, credit card spending is through
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  Speaker 4: the roof. They're spending more on gasoline, but they're spending
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  Speaker 4: more on everything else too.
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  Speaker 5: Wow, really good.
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  Speaker 3: It's just great news to hear that. So many people
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  Speaker 3: are spending more on their credit cards as usual, a
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  Speaker 3: really good sign for the US. How do you think
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  Speaker 3: of a Yeah, how could you possibly think that that
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  Speaker 3: is a good indicator of where things are?
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  Speaker 2: When your circle of like friends and peers is like
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  Speaker 2: credit card issue wor you know, like executives at Visa
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  Speaker 2: or whatever, then you think a little differently about these things.
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  Speaker 3: If people are using their credit card and they're paying
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  Speaker 3: off their balance, then great, But what is it. It's
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  Speaker 3: like seventy something percent of people carry a balance, and
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  Speaker 3: the amount of balance has actually gone up even more
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  Speaker 3: under the Trump administration, especially during the last six month periods.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I would say that's actually a really bad thing.
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  Speaker 3: Actually we should probably cut credit cards off. But that's
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  Speaker 3: a whole other.
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  Speaker 6: Remember when Trump was going to cap the interest rate.
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  Speaker 1: We covered it. I mean we gave it to some
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  Speaker 1: serious talk.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, somebody scolded me, I don't even remember, why
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  Speaker 3: have you done more coverage on this credit card thing?
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, well, do you think it's real?
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  Speaker 1: And they're like no, I'm like, well then that's why.
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  Speaker 5: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: I mean we covered it whenever it came out.
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  Speaker 3: Seriously, it died in Congress and then oops, turns out
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  Speaker 3: that it's never actually going to happen, or maybe it
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  Speaker 3: will someday, but in the immediate term, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: I do want we were trying to pair of this.
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  Speaker 3: Because this is a story that we're both really passionate
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  Speaker 3: about and it really makes me sick that this can
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  Speaker 3: even exist in the United States.
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  Speaker 1: So we're going to spend some time.
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  Speaker 3: Let's put it up here on the screen, so pro
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  Speaker 3: public a phenomenal job here. This lender said its loans
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  Speaker 3: would help tennesseeans. It has now sued more than one
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  Speaker 3: hundred and ten thousand of them. So let's take some time,
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  Speaker 3: shall we. Is that across Tennessee there is a company
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  Speaker 3: called Advance when what they have decided to do is
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  Speaker 3: they have sued over one hundred and ten thousand people
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  Speaker 3: since twenty fifteen, more than any other payday lender, making
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  Speaker 3: it one of the largest plaintiffs of any Tennessee based
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  Speaker 3: company collecting debt in Hanson's Appalachian County. This is somebody
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  Speaker 3: who they profile where nearly half of households make less
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  Speaker 3: than fifty thousand. The company has filed one case for
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  Speaker 3: every thirty two residents over that period of time. Now
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  Speaker 3: they began filing thousands of these lawsuits after Tennessee lawmakers
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  Speaker 3: approved something called Flex loan, a product which was pioneered
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  Speaker 3: by Advance in Tennessee.
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  Speaker 1: The loan's four.
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  Speaker 3: Thousand dollars cap is nine times higher than the limit
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  Speaker 3: for most payday loans. The company charges the equivalent of
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  Speaker 3: a two one hundred and seventy nine zero point five
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  Speaker 3: percent annual interest rate. Let me repeat that, a two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and seventy nine point five percent annual interest rate.
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  Speaker 3: Before it became legal, payday lenders could only lend four
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  Speaker 3: hundred and twenty five dollars and borrower could never be
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  Speaker 3: required to pay back more than five hundred. Since then,
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  Speaker 3: those protections have been eliminated, and now thousands of borrowers
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  Speaker 3: are defaulting. Flex loans only stop growing when they are
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  Speaker 3: completely played off, when a flex lender declares the loan
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  Speaker 3: is in default, or when it sues the borrower.
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  Speaker 1: If the loans do.
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  Speaker 3: End up in court, the law allows lenders to recoup
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  Speaker 3: attorney fees, which cannot be done with payday loans, a
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  Speaker 3: practice that can add up to a third of the
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  Speaker 3: loan amount. Court judgement against customers are often thousands of dollars,
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  Speaker 3: some exceeding ten thousand. Forty percent of all cases end
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  Speaker 3: up in wage garnishment. The consequences affect Flexcellence were predicted
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  Speaker 3: in the Tennessee legislature ten years ago. The Consumer Financial
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  Speaker 3: Protection Bureau wanted to regulate the product created by the agency.
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  Speaker 3: The Trump administration's effort to dismantle CFPB are even currently
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  Speaker 3: being reviewed by the courts. Advances argued this product would
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  Speaker 3: help consumers by offering them loans that are technically cheaper
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  Speaker 3: than a payday loan. It downplayed concerns by consumer advocates
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  Speaker 3: that these high interest loans targeted and trapped low income
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  Speaker 3: borrowers a death that they could never pay off. And
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  Speaker 3: when you just keep reading, I could go on forever
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  Speaker 3: about this particular company, but you have two hundred and
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  Speaker 3: seventy nine point five percent annual interest rate up to
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  Speaker 3: a what is a four thousand dollars limit? Now, this
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  Speaker 3: payday loan often the most predatory type of loan that
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  Speaker 3: is out there.
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  Speaker 1: We all I thought that we recognize all this.
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  Speaker 3: Like ten years ago, we effectively pass all these regulations
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  Speaker 3: across the country, and I was like, oh, we're good.
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  Speaker 1: Little did I know that the.
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  Speaker 3: State of Tennessee that you have a product which is
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  Speaker 3: somehow worse. Now, I don't know what's worse is that
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  Speaker 3: so many thousands of people are actually using them, which
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  Speaker 3: I guess shows how desperate things are, but it validates
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  Speaker 3: my entire view on these types of things. We're like, no, actually,
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  Speaker 3: we just don't allow this shit here in the US.
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  Speaker 3: We do not allow people to lend out at two
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  Speaker 3: hundred and eighty percent. There's a word for it, you know,
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  Speaker 3: usury actually, and we decided that as a society, we
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  Speaker 3: weren't going to entrap desperate people in these types of circumstances,
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  Speaker 3: which will only bury them even more. But what's really
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  Speaker 3: gross is how many millions of dollars that these people make.
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  Speaker 3: You know, in the future, because it's your favoritch dead,
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  Speaker 3: you're dead, garnishing your wages and get a court judgment
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  Speaker 3: against you and your property, and you'll be digging yourself
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  Speaker 3: out of this for years when I don't know, maybe
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  Speaker 3: you've had a drug problem, you're in a desperate straight
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  Speaker 3: you didn't think fully about the consequences. The next thing
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  Speaker 3: you know, you're paying for fifteen years later.
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  Speaker 2: One of the women in here that they talked to.
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  Speaker 2: She took in her grandkids, and the added cost of
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  Speaker 2: their you know, school supply, food, whatever they needed just
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  Speaker 2: was too much for her to bear. And so she
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  Speaker 2: was at risk of losing her home. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: why she went to you know, advance, and she was
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  Speaker 2: paying her loan off, but she didn't realize the way
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  Speaker 2: that it would continue to accrue and they would let
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  Speaker 2: you borrow more on your principle, and she was doing
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  Speaker 2: that and got.
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  Speaker 6: In this loop.
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  Speaker 2: And the so many crazy things in this article, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: the whole thing is so heartbreaking and so disgusting. The
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  Speaker 2: level of exploitation here, the level of predation, and also
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  Speaker 2: the level of corruption because this company was started in
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  Speaker 2: Tennessee and they bought off all the legislators there, big
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  Speaker 2: donors also to Trump. Very happy, i'm sure, with you know,
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  Speaker 2: Trump effectively eliminating the CFPB, so any sort of limits
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  Speaker 2: that would have come from the federal level that is
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  Speaker 2: all gone as well. And there was one guy in
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  Speaker 2: the Tennessee legislature, one who voted against the legislation that
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  Speaker 2: made all of this legal. And what he honed in
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  Speaker 2: on he was a lawyer, had some experience in the area.
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  Speaker 2: He recognized that this ability for them to recoup the
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  Speaker 2: attorney's fees meant that would give them a huge incentive
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  Speaker 2: to basically take everyone to court and put them through
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  Speaker 2: the ringer. And you're talking about poor people who don't
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  Speaker 2: understand this system, don't have money to hire a lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: so they're trying to navigate this incredibly complex bureaucracy, have
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  Speaker 2: no idea what they're doing. They are never going to succeed,
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  Speaker 2: or almost never going to succeed. And so this was
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  Speaker 2: the stat that really floored me in here advance. This
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  Speaker 2: company has brought one lawsuit for every fifty Tennessee residence
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  Speaker 2: since twenty fifteen, one out of every fifty residents has
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  Speaker 2: been sued by this company. And yet Tennessee still allows
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  Speaker 2: this to occur. It's just so discussed one.
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  Speaker 3: Two hundred million dollars, yes, twenty fifteen, and it's and.
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  Speaker 2: It, like you said, also is just a sign of
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  Speaker 2: how desperate people are. You know, how many people are
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  Speaker 2: in the position where it's like I got you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to be able to pay my marge,
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna get kicked out in my apartment, like I'm
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  Speaker 2: you know, right on the edge here and in need
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  Speaker 2: of these sorts of incredibly predatory loan product. So really
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  Speaker 2: discussing at the same time we've got, you know, any
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  Speaker 2: efforts to maybe fight back against this incredibly rigged system
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  Speaker 2: are now being deemed by a billionaire as like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: effectively like a racial slur to ask for the rich
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  Speaker 2: to be taxed. More so, maybe people weren't in such
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  Speaker 2: dire circumstances and you had a more equitable distribution where
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't the Gilded age. Two point zero. Put C
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  Speaker 2: three up on the screen. This is so crazy. So
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  Speaker 2: this was This is the guy who's the head of
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  Speaker 2: this Bornado real estate empire. His name is Stephen Roth,
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  Speaker 2: and he was asked about the whole like Zoron Mamdani,
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  Speaker 2: tax the rich, going after Ken Griffin, et cetera. And
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  Speaker 2: what he said in response to this is so crazy,
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  Speaker 2: and I quote, I must say, I consider the phrase
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  Speaker 2: tax the rich, quote tax the rich, when spit out
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  Speaker 2: with anger and contempt by politicians both here and across
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  Speaker 2: the country, to be just as hateful as some disgusting
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  Speaker 2: racial slurs, and even the phrase from the river to
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  Speaker 2: the sea. Mister Ross said referring to the pro Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: phrase that some Jews believe him out to a call
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  Speaker 2: for ethnic cleansing. So you know how, you know how
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  Speaker 2: apparently mister Roth must feel about that phrase. He says,
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  Speaker 2: tax the riches, even as bad Zagara is calling for
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian uh liberation. But to claim that that's like a
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  Speaker 2: racial slur, that's like saying the N word. Tax the rich,
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  Speaker 2: literally a call for a policy proposal at a time
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  Speaker 2: when billionaires.
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  Speaker 6: I don't know what his effective tax rate is, but in.
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  Speaker 2: General billionaire's effective tax rates are lower than the tax
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  Speaker 2: rates of probably like many of the people are getting
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  Speaker 2: screwed over by advanced lows, certainly by middle class people
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  Speaker 2: or small business owners or whatever. And to change that
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  Speaker 2: he considers to be an epithet. He considers that to
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  Speaker 2: be beyond the pale, just total total insanity here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean, I mean, these guys do know themselves,
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  Speaker 3: no favors. They go on TV and they literally cry
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  Speaker 3: about tag Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 1: Who's that guy? What's his name?
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  Speaker 3: The billion Oh Cooperman Leon? I want to say that's
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  Speaker 3: his name. If not, maybe I didn't. I apologize mister
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  Speaker 3: Cooperman and your legal team.
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  Speaker 5: I'm purely specting.
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  Speaker 3: I'm fairly certain in terms of my recall, but yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I mean it's like, you're so I remember that when
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  Speaker 3: they would do that, and I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: you know, from purely self interested perspective, wouldn't you want
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  Speaker 3: to just lay low like whenever, whenever you're paying nothing
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  Speaker 3: and you're filthy rich. I'm how old is this guy,
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  Speaker 3: Stephen Roth. It's like, dude, just you know, just lay low,
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  Speaker 3: Like why even try to pick this fight? But because
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: these guys really believe that they're like the kings of
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  Speaker 3: the city. That Vornado real Estate Trust or you know whatever,
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  Speaker 3: are these people who should be worshiped. And you know,
• 10:53
  Speaker 3: if you're in New York, I think the one thing
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  Speaker 3: that we all know is the people just love landlord
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  Speaker 3: new York City.
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  Speaker 5: They're just the.
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  Speaker 3: Most beloved class that everybody's had a great relationship with,
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  Speaker 3: is the landlords. Yes, and that they and the developers, right,
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  Speaker 3: and that real estate developers and the landlords are just
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  Speaker 3: the most beloved class of figures who we really want
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  Speaker 3: to hear sympathetic notes from.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, here's the thing, too, is like when are
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  Speaker 2: you going to realize who we talked about. This is
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  Speaker 2: what Rogue calls the wealth tax in California in anti
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  Speaker 2: revolution tax, Like, when are any of these guys going
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  Speaker 2: to realize you've got to do a little something or
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  Speaker 2: else you're going to have a big problem this type
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  Speaker 2: of wealth disparity, which is only set to spiral wildly
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  Speaker 2: with AI. This is not going to you know, is
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  Speaker 2: not going to be good for you over the long
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  Speaker 2: if there isn't some way to mitigate it, to make
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  Speaker 2: people feel like they're bought into this society and have
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  Speaker 2: some stake in what's going on. I mean, it's no
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  Speaker 2: surprise you have the acts of political violence, including acts
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  Speaker 2: of violence against you know, CEOs, and the country looks
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  Speaker 2: and that is like, oh, I kind of get it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, that should be such a war signed.
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  Speaker 2: And a wake up call of where we are and
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  Speaker 2: how disgusted people are and how desperate they are.
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  Speaker 6: And yet to even call generally for tax the rich.
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  Speaker 2: He considers to be just beyond the pale unacceptable. He
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  Speaker 2: thinks he said something in there too about how like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, these are the best of the best and
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  Speaker 2: we should be thanking them or something like that. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: oh my god, buddy, like that is crazy. You're a
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  Speaker 2: real estate developer at a time when like the vast
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  Speaker 2: majority of people are like, I'm never gonna be able
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  Speaker 2: to afford a home.
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  Speaker 6: Vast majority.
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  Speaker 1: I think he's college. But it's still the point.
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  Speaker 3: It's just like, because I'm pretty sure like those buildings
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  Speaker 3: are all though.
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  Speaker 1: Either I think they're looking like Times Square and all that,
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  Speaker 1: if I recall.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I feel like they do apartments too,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
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  Speaker 3: But it's just generally like, don't you guys have any dignity,
• 12:44
  Speaker 3: you know, whenever it comes to being like self awareness,
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  Speaker 3: self awareness and dignity.
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  Speaker 1: You know.
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  Speaker 3: Ted Turner just just died, the guy who created CNN,
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  Speaker 3: and they don't make it like him anymore these he's eight.
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: I think he was like eighty seven. Yeah, he created CNN.
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  Speaker 3: He was filthy rich. He was a playboy, you know,
• 13:01
  Speaker 3: Jane Fonda and all that. He was a landowner. He's
• 13:03
  Speaker 3: also a big environmentalist. And also in the last twenty years,
• 13:06
  Speaker 3: he didn't really hear much about him. You know, he
• 13:08
  Speaker 3: didn't use his vast media empire in his aging time
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  Speaker 3: to protect his wealth. He kind of just made his
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  Speaker 3: money and just went off. He was one of the
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  Speaker 3: largest landowners in the US, and I was like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: a lot more rich people should be, like Ted Turner,
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  Speaker 3: like why is it so so hard right in the
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  Speaker 3: in your waiting days to be like, Okay, my time
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: of relevance is coming to an end and I should
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  Speaker 3: enjoy time with my family whatever, and just kind of
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: not you know, you had, you had your heyday, you're
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  Speaker 3: working time, and it's over. And yet these these people
• 13:37
  Speaker 3: they're like they cling to these riches with you know,
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  Speaker 3: with the desperation where look, you know, I don't maybe
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  Speaker 3: the wealth tax wouldn't solve everything because as long as
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  Speaker 3: you don't use it for the right purposes, then I
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  Speaker 3: don't know. But my point is just like we got
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  Speaker 3: to figure out something when he has some sort of
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  Speaker 3: a social contract. I don't know if it includes a
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  Speaker 3: wealth tax. You know, maybe it would include more of
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  Speaker 3: a financial tax, like more of going after our hedge
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  Speaker 3: funded industry. There's all kinds of tax loopholes alone would
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  Speaker 3: raise hundreds of billions of dollars, Like you don't even
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  Speaker 3: have to do that.
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  Speaker 1: I guess that would technically be a wealth tax.
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  Speaker 3: So there's all these different solutions. But you know, to
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  Speaker 3: Roe's point, I haven't looked fully at the California thing,
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  Speaker 3: but the anti revolution one is just empirically correct, Like
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  Speaker 3: we have a complete It's not just about inequality just
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  Speaker 3: in terms of wealth. I think it's really about inequality
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  Speaker 3: whenever it comes to the opportunity that people have to
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: start off from a baseline. The American dream is built
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  Speaker 3: on the idea your kids will have a better future
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  Speaker 3: than you. That is just not the case for the
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  Speaker 3: last twenty five years period, end of story. So that
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  Speaker 3: has to be solved. Some of it starts with housing,
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  Speaker 3: but a lot of it, you know, starts with a
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  Speaker 3: lot of other different things.
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, so.
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  Speaker 3: That's tax the rich is a one way in which
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  Speaker 3: it's you know, being channeled, but it's almost being channeled
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  Speaker 3: in a lot of very you know, very different ways.
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  Speaker 3: And people's the way that they feel about our society,
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  Speaker 3: the news, AI, social media, the level of control that
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  Speaker 3: they feel data centers seems like a physical manifestation.
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  Speaker 1: Of all that.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, I'll never understand these people,
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  Speaker 3: but that's not that's why I'm not one of them.
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  Speaker 1: It's a sickness. It's literally a sickness.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean this will be transition us to
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  Speaker 2: our Epstein blockair. I mean, one thing we learned from
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  Speaker 2: the Epstein files is they just don't see other non
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: elites as like fully human the way that they are.
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: And so that's, you know, that's how they justify this
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: immense wealth. This is immense, privilegious, immense power. Is they
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: deserve it, and that also comes out in his comments here.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: Let's get to this Epstein suicide note, alleged suicide note,
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: which was released by the court. Let's go and put
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: d one up on the screen. This is from the
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: New York Times. Okay, so here's the note on the right.
• 15:47
  Speaker 2: You can see the handwriting there. And I'm going to
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: give you like the punctuation and stuff as well, just
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: because I think it's significant in terms of analyzing whether
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: or not this is a real product. They investigated me
• 15:58
  Speaker 2: for months, found nothing. All caps, the note begins, adding
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: that the result was charges going back many years. It
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: is a treat to be able to choose one's time
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: to say goodbye. What you want me to do? Dash,
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: dash and dash there buzzt out crying. The note reads,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: no fun, all caps, not worth it?
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: All caps.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: So the backstory here is that this note was according
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: to Epstein's former selmy, who was a former cop who
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: killed for people, was convicted of killing four people. He
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: maintains his innocence. In any case, he was put for
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: some reason in the same cell with Jeffrey Epstein. Seems
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: kind of crazy to start with. In any case, that's
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: what happened. And he says that he found this note
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: tucked into a graphic novel that was Jeffrey Epstein's. It
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: was written on like yellow paper, he said, and he
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: opened the book to read and he found it there.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: It has been sort of caught up in court proceedings.
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: What's this guy's name, Tartaglioni. It's been caught up in
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: his court proceedings and was sealed because of his own proceedings.
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: There was now this motion to hey, let's release this
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: thing because it's a subject of public interest in so
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: it was released. Tartaglioni and his lawyers claimed that they
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: verified that this is truly from Jeffrey Epstein, but we
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: don't know how. We've been given no evidence of that,
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: so that's what.
• 17:19
  Speaker 3: We He told The Times that he found the note
• 17:22
  Speaker 3: in a graphic novel.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I would actually love to know which graphic novel.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: After mister Epstein was taken out of the cell after
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the apparent suicide attempt, I opened the book to read it,
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: and there it was. It was written on a piece
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: of yellow paper ripped from a legal pad. The medical examiner, remember,
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: then ruled his death a suicide. Also, this was not
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the actual alleged suicide. This was an attempted suicide that
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: they claim happened. And Tartulloni is I think he's the
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: former cop. Yeah, he has a former cop who it
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: was awaiting trial at the time for quadruple homicide.
• 17:53
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: Just to be clear, I will do the most boneheaded
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: thing of all time.
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: I asked, AI Claude, does this fit with Epstein's writings?
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: So that with that caveat that this is the lowest
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: tier commentary you can offer, and I apologize.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: He said.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: This is what Claude says, what I can say. The
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: note style, fragmented, dramatic, heavy use of caps and exclamation points,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: is unusual for a suicide note. It reads more like
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: someone venting frustration than someone in a final and a
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: reflective state of mind. In terms of Epstein's writing style.
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: What they say is that because it's mostly legal documents
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: and correspondence with associates, not just casual personal prose, it
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: is hard to establish a classic, a clear stylistic fingerprint.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: So there you go.
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: In terms of what Claude thinks of how it fits
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: with the alleged suicide note, I mean, if I'm being honest,
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: it just seems kind of fake. It might you know,
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: this is my own personal opinion and speculation, like it
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: seems fake to me, just doesn't fit with a lot
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: of his I've read thousands of his emails, between the
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Epstein files and those hacked emails that Ryan and I
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: had access to. I feel like I'm pretty familiar with
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: his writing style. M dash thing in particular is weird
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: that said people write very differently by hand necessarily than
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: they would type. And Claude makes a good point that
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: he's corresponding mostly with his teams of lawyers and other people,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: not as many of his personal communications that were in there.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: So I don't know for sure.
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: It does feel like the grandiosity of himself definitely, but
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: the level of like humor and other things you know,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: alleged within it bust out crying like, I don't know,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: I could be wrong. I'm not sure I'm buying it
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: now personally. That's just that's just my opinion.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: Yeah, neither, I mean. And we also just just say, like.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: TARTAGLIONI has a bit of an incentive here because and
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: he even said at some point, like you know, in
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: case they thought that it was me that did this
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to him, And so that's also should be taken into
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: account that the person that will allegedly found it would
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: have a reason for producing such a note to get
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: any sort of suspicion that he did something here off
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: the table.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: There you go, Okay, all right.
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: We also had some interesting developments with regard to mister
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: Howard Lutnik, a little bit of upset from both Republicans
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: and Democrats. Let's actually put D five up on the
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: screen first. So Lutnik testified behind closed doors about his
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: relationship with Ebstein, what he knew, blah blah blah, and
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: so this is kind of fastening. James Comer, who was
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: a Republican, actually admitted that Lunik had not been one
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: hundred percent truthful about being on Epstein's island. Ahead of
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: this interview with the Oversight Panel on Wednesday.
• 20:44
  Speaker 6: So this was for a closed door.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: Transcribed interview as part of the Oversight Panel's investigation into Epstein.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: After the fact, a number of the Democrats who were
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: part of that interview were extremely frustrated and disgusted with
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: Lutnik and said outright that they thought he was lying
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: during that interview that they had with him. Let's go
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: and take a listen to what Rocanna had to say
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: this as D two.
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: Well, now we know why is that interviewer was not videotape.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: If Donald Trump had seen the video transcript, he would
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: have fired Howard leftan It was really embarrassing, and he
• 21:23
  Speaker 7: was asked very straightforward questions about whether he regretted misleading
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: the American people. I mean, he said that he would
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: never see Epstein again in two thousand and five, and
• 21:38
  Speaker 7: everyone knows that he took his wife and kids to
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: see Epstein in twenty twelve, and yet it was just
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: contortions and lies and no acknowledgement that he misled the
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: American public. And then he's raised even more serious concerns
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: about the investigation. He originally had said that Epstein engaged
• 21:58
  Speaker 7: in blackmail and recorded videotapes. Now he's saying, well, he
• 22:03
  Speaker 7: was wrong, he was just speculating and Epstein actually didn't
• 22:07
  Speaker 7: engage in blackmailing.
• 22:09
  Speaker 8: This raises the question on what could cover up is.
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: Did someone tell him to say that I've not heard
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: that he is that Epstein never engaged in blackmail. Why
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: is Howard Lutnik changing his testimony, changing his story. He's
• 22:23
  Speaker 7: lost to all credibility and really it's a shame that
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: the American people don't get to see what he did there.
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: And you'll recall, of course, Lettnck famously give that interview
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: where he told his elaborate story about my wife and
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: I from the very first moment that we met Jeffrey Epstein,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: we were disgusted and we said we would never have
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: anything to do with him. And then lo and behold
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the emails come out and they had gone to the
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: island and maintain a relationship, etc. So Roe was pointing
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: out that he still is trying to avoid grappling with
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the fact that he just you know, clearly outright lied
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: in that original telling of his disgust and how they
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: vowed they would never have anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: James Walkinshaw also had some pretty strong comments after the fact.
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: This is the.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Congressman who represents Fairfax County replaced Jerry Connolly after Jerry
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: Connolly died.
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: Let's go and take a listen to that.
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: I hope today that we would have heard some more
• 23:14
  Speaker 8: some contrition from Secretary Letnik for flat out lying to
• 23:18
  Speaker 8: the American people. Instead, what we've heard thus far is
• 23:22
  Speaker 8: hours of testimony where he's attempting to redefine the meaning
• 23:26
  Speaker 8: of the word I.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: He claims that when he said.
• 23:30
  Speaker 8: I would never be in a room again but Jeffrey Epstein,
• 23:35
  Speaker 8: he meant only him and Jeffrey Epstein. Epstein was so
• 23:39
  Speaker 8: gross to him, so disgusting, that he wasn't willing to
• 23:45
  Speaker 8: be in a room with him. He was perfectly okay
• 23:48
  Speaker 8: with his wife and family being.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: In a room with Epstein.
• 23:52
  Speaker 8: He's lying, and today's transcribed interview is part of the
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: ongoing cover up, because the American people deserve to see
• 24:01
  Speaker 8: the video of what's taking place in there. They deserved
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: to see the sweat on the Secretary's brow as he
• 24:07
  Speaker 8: struggles to answer basic questions, not his lies to the
• 24:11
  Speaker 8: American Vida.
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: So anyway, Sager, they were apparently none too impressed with
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: what mister Luttnik had to say behind closed doors.
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: Shocking, Yeah, really shocking, right in terms of no, I
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: mean comer even said it straight up.
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, he didn't tell the truth. He wasn't
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: he was not.
• 24:27
  Speaker 6: What percent truthful was?
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like remember when Andrew Schultz interviewed Trump and
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Trump was like, I'm mostly truthful.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Andrew was like, what is what do you mean most? Anyway?
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: All right, well, what do we have standing by Glenn Greenwald?
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Let's get to it.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: So, guys, we have a new annual report from the
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: ADL on alleged anti Semitic incidents. We can put E
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: four up on the screen. This is their audit of
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: anti Semitic incidents in twenty twenty five. According to them,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the number has gone down since twenty twenty four, still elevated,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: and they say the number of violent incidents has increased.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Join us now to break down the import of this
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: report is Glenn Greenwald, independent journalist and publisher of the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: Glenn Greenwald Substack, which of course we recommend you guys
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: all subscribe to.
• 25:14
  Speaker 6: You great to see.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Glenncin you great to be with you, guys.
• 25:17
  Speaker 6: Yeah, of course.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: So let me kick us off with this segment with
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: Jake Tapper and Jonathan Greenblatt explaining this report and how
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: they defined quote unquote anti Semitic incidents in this report,
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: and then we also have our own bull slideshow we
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: can pull up of the nature of some of these
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: alleged incidents.
• 25:34
  Speaker 6: This is E nine. Guys, let's go and take a listen.
• 25:37
  Speaker 5: How did you define an anti Semitic act?
• 25:40
  Speaker 9: I mean, if somebody criticizes the government of Israel, is
• 25:44
  Speaker 9: that anti semitism?
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: What was the way that you defined it?
• 25:47
  Speaker 10: Well, the ADL has been tracking anti Semitic incidents in
• 25:50
  Speaker 10: a systematic way, Jake, for forty six years. We have
• 25:54
  Speaker 10: a very rigorous methodology. An anti Semitic incident is defined
• 25:58
  Speaker 10: by an act like harassed, vandalism, or violence directed at
• 26:02
  Speaker 10: an individual or an institution because of its Jewish identity
• 26:06
  Speaker 10: or connection to the Jewish people. So pro Palacine activism
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: is not anti semitic. Criticizing the state of Israel is
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: not necessarily anti Semitic, but wishing violence against all Zionists
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: or Israelis or Jews, that's anti semitism. Saying free Palestine,
• 26:26
  Speaker 10: marching down the street is not anti Semitic. Screaming free
• 26:29
  Speaker 10: Palestine at elderly people walking into a synagogue is anti Semitic.
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: So you know, into a certain degree, time, place and
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: manner really is important here. But let me note ADL
• 26:43
  Speaker 10: looks at this and we found in twenty twenty five
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: that more than half of the anti Israel demonstrations were
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: an anti Semitic at all, and we didn't count them.
• 26:53
  Speaker 10: In fact, we don't count most of the things that
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: are reported to us only if we can ascertain with
• 26:58
  Speaker 10: certainty that there was a motive again to marginalize, intimidate,
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: or threaten people because of their faith.
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: Your reaction, Glen, All you have to do is look
• 27:10
  Speaker 9: at the data set that the ADL produced as part
• 27:13
  Speaker 9: of this report to see that everything Jonathan Greenblatch just
• 27:16
  Speaker 9: said is basically at best deceitful, if.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: Not outright lying.
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: There are all sorts of incidents where as part of
• 27:25
  Speaker 9: anti Israel protests, meaning protests against what they've done in
• 27:28
  Speaker 9: Gaza or what they're doing in Lebanon, or what they
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: do more broadly with the treatment of Arabs and Palestinians
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: in the West Bank, where if you say free Palestine
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: if you say from the river to the sea, if
• 27:40
  Speaker 9: you say globalize the Intifada, that automatically goes into the
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: category of anti Semitic incidents. No matter where you're saying it,
• 27:49
  Speaker 9: how you're saying it, at whom you're directing it.
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: You can just go through the data set. I think.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: I hope you guys have some least, because five up, guys,
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: we can go through. I'll read off a few of
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: these to give you guys a sense of some of
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: the nature of the incidents here. So, a Jewish public
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: figure received anti Semitic harassment from a user on x
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: who accused them of being involved with the assassination of
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and being a foreign agent. That was one
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: alleged incident here in ISRAELI flag was moved from a
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: locker and a I like this potentially anti Semitic flag
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: was placed across from it. At Syracuse University. Let's go
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: to the next one here that we have. At an
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: anti Israel rally rally organized by groups including Palada Indivisible
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: in the Car Party for Socialism and Liberation, protesters displayed
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: messages including Zionist f off.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: Let's see the next one.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: An individual wearing a Palestinian flag harassed people participating in
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: a pro Israel march, saying free America from the chains
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: of Israel. Free America, and you are propaganda. I'm not
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: sure what is the problem with that one. Students for
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Justice in Palestine and Brooklyn College post a message on
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Instagram attacking Hillel, writing Hillel is not a student group
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: as it claims, but an active participant in JA.
• 29:00
  Speaker 6: On a side, the.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Post also targeted to Jewish students by name who had
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: served and volunteered with the IDF. So those are some
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: of the types of incidents. As you can see, there
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: are many incidences that were reported here, some under harassment,
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: some under vandalism, and some under overt violence. Some of
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: them are genuinely, you know, things that are terrible, like
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: assaults and things of that nature, although I also have
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: to say, because the ADL has so beclowned themselves and
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: undermined their credibility, you have to look at those and
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: be like, well, did this really happen? Did it really
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: happen in the way that they're presenting it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: Even the assaults, which generally are what people think about
• 29:34
  Speaker 9: when you hear about hate crimes, like anti Semitic hate crimes,
• 29:36
  Speaker 9: race hate crimes. I think you know, if you look
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: at the bar graph, you will see the drastic number
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: of uh these kinds of incidents where people are expressing
• 29:47
  Speaker 9: political views not aimed at Jews, aimed at the ideaf,
• 29:50
  Speaker 9: aimed at Israel, aimed at Israel defenders, aimed at the
• 29:53
  Speaker 9: ideology of Zionism, which is not the same as Jews.
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: There are huge numbers of Jews, huge numbers of the
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: who don't believe in in Zionism, don't believe in the
• 30:03
  Speaker 9: apartheid state of Israel, don't believe in the moral justice
• 30:07
  Speaker 9: of committing genocide in Gazdo or stealing land from Syria
• 30:10
  Speaker 9: and Lebanon and the rest.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: So it's all done with the conflation.
• 30:14
  Speaker 9: Now, of course, you can find some genuinely anti Semitic
• 30:17
  Speaker 9: incidents and under the assaults category, even if you were
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: to credit the ADL, which would be very foolish to.
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: Do in light of what we know about them.
• 30:24
  Speaker 9: But even if you were to credit all the assaults
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: that they counted as actual anti Semitic assaults, it numbers
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: in like the low hundreds, like one hundred and sixty
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: or two hundred or something like that, which you know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: I'm not saying should be dismissed, but is far from
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: the sort of epidemic they're trying to depict.
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: And I think the context.
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: He're is so critical, which is that there is an
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: a very well documented and rather still rapidly accelerating collapse
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: of support for Israel in the United States and throughout
• 30:54
  Speaker 9: more broadly the democratic world.
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: And the solution.
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: That they've embraced, the only one that they can really
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: think of, is to equate protest against Israel or even
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: opposition to Israel, with anti Semitism. We saw that in
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: the encampments on College, which were all deemed basically intrinsically
• 31:11
  Speaker 9: anti Semitic, even though they were filled with Jews and
• 31:13
  Speaker 9: led by Jews and all kinds of Muslims who only
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: had a problem with Israel's destruction of Gaza.
• 31:18
  Speaker 5: And then also the kind of more.
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: The broader institutional imperative these kinds of groups, if they're
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: a group aimed at injustice X, they have an inherent
• 31:27
  Speaker 9: interest in institutional interest in depicting X as grave of
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: a problem as possible.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: And that's what really is going on here.
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and one case, what drives me crazy is is
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: you know, it's one thing to label something anti Semitic,
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: but it's another to use the instrument of the law
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: against them. Can we put E seven up here on
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: the screen. This was a case, Glenn, I'm sure you're
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: familiar with where this f A Florida International University student,
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Gabrielle Aldana was arrested for wanting Israel's net and Yahoo
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: what they say to drop bombs on the school event.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: What it really was is a joke in a WhatsApp
• 31:58
  Speaker 3: group of two hundred and fifteen students where she said, Netanyahu,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: if you can hear me, drop some bond bonds for
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: US Capstone students in Ocean Bank Convocation Center in bondcourt,
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: they said. She also wrote there is going to be
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: a bomb in the Ocean Bank center. It was going
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: to be Jonathan's fault, in reference to another student in
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: the chat. She appeared before a judge and was literally
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: not only arrested, but we learned from her. According to her,
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: she made contact with our team that the charges have
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: come ahead and been filed or continued to be in
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: the court case against her. Now we're going to have
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: a GoFundMe. A linked down in the description. But this
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: is beyond the ADL's weaponization of the term anti semitism
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: to extend it further. This is the state of Florida,
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: or many other jurisdictions across the United States using these
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: types of incidents to weaponize the law against our own citizens,
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: in this case a joke, but in often cases protests
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: against the government of Israel.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:54
  Speaker 9: Look, I'm somebody who obviously has advocated or not obviously,
• 32:57
  Speaker 9: but they have advocated for free speech and pretty aggressive
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: and robust one they might even say absolutist version of
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: free speech for decades versus the lawyer and now as
• 33:05
  Speaker 9: a journalist.
• 33:06
  Speaker 5: And there have been many threats unrelated to.
• 33:09
  Speaker 9: Israel or ADL the ADL type groups over the years,
• 33:13
  Speaker 9: but at the moment, bar and away the greatest threat
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: to free speech, both in the United States and more
• 33:18
  Speaker 9: broadly in the democratic world, are laws that are being
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: passed designed to ban or limit, or punish or even
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: outright criminalize all kinds of criticisms about Israel by conflating
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: those with anti semitism and then kind of pushing them
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: into the hate speech laws that had been promulgated all
• 33:36
  Speaker 9: throughout the democratic world. And this thankfully we have the
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: First Amendment in the United States, which makes it more difficult.
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: But the very first agenda item, seemingly of the Trump administration,
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: was to figure out ways to weaponize the law to
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: punish Israel critics as anti semites, imposing broaden hate speech
• 33:54
  Speaker 9: codes on our college campuses. And then you have all
• 33:57
  Speaker 9: these state governors often read state governors, but not always,
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: who have been propagating all sorts of laws designed to
• 34:04
  Speaker 9: punish and limit how much you can criticize Israel in
• 34:07
  Speaker 9: the United States. It is a grave problem from a
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: free speech perspective, and the way in which the ADL
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: is manipulating this report is exactly the underlying framework for
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: how it's done. I would just quickly add this was
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: the sort of the excesses of the woke movement and
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: the fallout of the LM, and me too that even
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: a lot of its original supporters felt uncomfortable with how
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: far it went, and the American Right was apoplectic, and
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: I thought they had legitimate grievances.
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: And now basically the primary.
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: Tactic of at least the pro Israel faction of MAGA
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: and the American Right is to go around screaming bigotry
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: and anti Semite and racist and everybody who disagrees with them,
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: and then going further and using these institutional and even
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: legal mechanisms to punish and stifle it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: It's remarkable to watch they have no self awareness.
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: Well, and I think they're probably. I mean, if you
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: really want fuel anti Semitism, how about we pass a
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: bunch of suppressive, authoritarian style laws and institute a government
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: wide crackdown on any criticism of Israel. Will simultaneously insisting
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: that Israel is inextricably linked with the Jewish people, and
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that every Jew is aligned with Israel, and that attacks
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: on Israel or attacks on all Jewish people like that
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: is a surefire way to increase anti Semitism. So I
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: think Jonathan Greenblatt and his ILK have done more to
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: stoke actual, genuine anti Semitism than virtually anyone else in
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: this country.
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: I could not agree more.
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: You know, it's a human impulse to want to be
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: free in terms of how what you can think and
• 35:37
  Speaker 9: what you can say, and it's been documented over many centuries.
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: Obviously some cultures deprioritize in others, but all of us
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: have that instinct and it's especially American ethos, Like, I
• 35:47
  Speaker 9: think we all just instinctively have this kind of backlash
• 35:51
  Speaker 9: or anger effect when we're told we can't say certain
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: things or certain topics are off limits. I do think
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: there was backlash from the kind of excesses in free
• 35:59
  Speaker 9: speech suppression in the name of racism or you know, homophobian,
• 36:04
  Speaker 9: transphobia and misogyny and like.
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: And I think we're seeing that now.
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: But you know, the irony crystal is that under these
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: new hate speech laws that the Trump administration forced our
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: leading universities to accept, this IHR expanded definition of anti Semitism.
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: One of the new definitions of anti semitism is you
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: can't conflate Israel and Jewish people. So if Israel does something,
• 36:28
  Speaker 9: you can't say, oh, look, the Jews are committing genocide
• 36:31
  Speaker 9: that is actually anti Semitic to attribute to all Jews
• 36:34
  Speaker 9: with the State of Israel, the government of Israel do.
• 36:35
  Speaker 5: And yet they do this all the time.
• 36:38
  Speaker 9: This is the whole foundation for what they're doing is
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: to say, if you criticize Israel, it means you're criticizing
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: quote unquote the Jews. They're the ones constantly conflating it
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: because that's a prerequisite for being able to characterize Israel
• 36:51
  Speaker 9: criticism and anti Israel activism as anti Semitisms. They punish
• 36:55
  Speaker 9: it when it's done by their adversaries or their enemies,
• 36:59
  Speaker 9: and then they turn around and embrace exactly that formulation
• 37:01
  Speaker 9: when it's in their interest to do so.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: It's so crazy. I mean, we're watching this to the
• 37:04
  Speaker 3: government level. Can we put E two uffare on the screen?
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: So there's this recent incident in New York City where
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: the Assistant Attorney General Harmei Dillon has now announced that
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice is
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: going to investigate this protest that happened at a synagogue
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: in New York City. Now, if I put it that way,
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: it may sound bad, But when we dig a little
• 37:27
  Speaker 3: bit further into what exactly was going on, can we
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: put E three up there on the screen. This was
• 37:33
  Speaker 3: at a synagogue in New York City, the Park East Synagogue,
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: where a person who was able to go to the
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: event saw that there were properties that were being advertised
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: about not necessarily for sale in that jurisdiction, but being
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: advertised to invite American Jews to make alia to Israel,
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: where properties in some cases available in the West Bank
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: were being sold or being told.
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: Them that they could go and they could go and
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: live there.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: A very very different, you know, event than the way
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: it was initially sold as just a protest against a
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: synagogue and in this case Glenn, these protesters were clearly
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: going and protesting against this, you know, this advertisement of
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: land available in the West Bank. And now the Civil
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Rights Division is saying protesting that, you know, protesting that
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: which you know, even the New York Times and others
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: who when they when they cover this are like usually
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: acknowledged as illegal. That's how they refer to the West
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: Bank properties. The Civil Rights Division of our government is
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: going after protesters for sales of that type of land
• 38:37
  Speaker 3: and property in the West Bank currently in Palestinian Land.
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: I mean, this is the lie at the heart of
• 38:45
  Speaker 9: everything that this whole campaign of deceit is rest on,
• 38:49
  Speaker 9: is to pretend that people who are protesting Israel, or
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: people who are protesting stealing the land in the name
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: of Zionism, are somehow targeting Jews for being Jews. Again,
• 38:59
  Speaker 9: this was the lie at the heart of the smear
• 39:01
  Speaker 9: campaign against the student protesters, that these people were supposedly
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: harassing Jewish students, not letting Jews pass, when in reality,
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: these camps were full of Jews, of Jewish organizers, of
• 39:11
  Speaker 9: Jewish uh, of Jewish leaders who were leading in many
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: cases and certainly participating in these anti Israel protests.
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: They weren't targeting Jews.
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: They were targeting the ideology that says America should pay
• 39:22
  Speaker 9: for and finance and arm the genocide in Gaza. I know,
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: you guys interviewed them. I interviewed tons of students on
• 39:29
  Speaker 9: my show. There were at supposedly the most anti Semitic encampment,
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: which is at Columbia. They had spot dinner every Friday
• 39:36
  Speaker 9: night because there were so many Jews. They had you know,
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: dinners for every every kind of religion, including shipbout dinner
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: every Friday night.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: And this is the same thing.
• 39:45
  Speaker 9: Nobody remotely honest thinks that now that protest was about
• 39:50
  Speaker 9: targeting a synagogue because it's a synagogue. As you say,
• 39:53
  Speaker 9: they were protesting what the US government for decades under
• 39:57
  Speaker 9: ball parties has said is a direct threat to national security,
• 40:00
  Speaker 9: which is Israel annexing more and more of the West Bank,
• 40:03
  Speaker 9: which prevents it to state solution, which destroys America's ability
• 40:06
  Speaker 9: to operate safely and in its interest in the region.
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: Now it's an American citizen, you can't go in and
• 40:13
  Speaker 9: protest the seizure of land, this stealing of land, this
• 40:18
  Speaker 9: selling of land, simply because you happen to put it
• 40:20
  Speaker 9: in a synagogue, which is exactly why they put it there,
• 40:23
  Speaker 9: so that it looks as though they're protesting a synagogue
• 40:26
  Speaker 9: rather than protesting this this this this policy.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: Of theft, yeah, which is so disgusting. The strategy there
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: to use a synagogue is sort of like a.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Shield, you know, religious shield, Yeah.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Exactly, in order to look at these mean protests. If
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: they just hate Judaism, it's like, no, they hate that
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: you're selling illegal stolen land, how about that? But that
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: gets left out of almost all of the cover sor
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: it's buried. Soccer was looking at the New York Times
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: article and the way that you know, in the headline
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: in the subhad they don't mention anything about the West
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Bank legal land feed in before they even mention it,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and then they use this you know, sort of bullshit,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: wishy washy language. Oh, in most places around the world
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: they consider this to be illegal. So I mean the
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: way that the liberal media has helped to, you know,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: create enough runway for this genocide against Palestinines to occur
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: as a whole separate target topic.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: Altogether.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: I want to turn to these stories, two different stories,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: But let's start with the bill that passed the House
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: that's made it into the Farm Bill, which enforces requires
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: federal government mandated cruelty against pigs in particular, and could
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: put F two up on the screen. And Glenn, you
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: can explain this certainly better than I can. But California,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: among other states, had passed some legislation saying, listen, what
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: we do to these animals is horrific enough. At least
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: we can require that they're in a cage large enough
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: where they can turn around. This bill being pat that's
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: already passed through the House now has to the Senate
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: says no, we're not going to allow states to carve
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: on even this level of humanity towards these highly intelligent animals.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: So can you give us a little bit of the
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: background here and what this bill would actually mandate.
• 42:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I read an article in twenty seventeen for the
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: Intercept where there was this case where animal activists went
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: into Smithfield farms where they have tens of thousands of
• 42:19
  Speaker 9: pigs held in the most nauseating conditions you can possibly imagine,
• 42:22
  Speaker 9: and they rescued two little piglets who are basically on
• 42:25
  Speaker 9: the verge of death. Obviously not stealing from Smithfield in
• 42:28
  Speaker 9: a monetary way. These pigs had no monetary value, they
• 42:31
  Speaker 9: were going to die, but symbolically to kind of personalize
• 42:34
  Speaker 9: the pigs and to show what the conditions were, and
• 42:38
  Speaker 9: the FBI went on a nationwide hunt in order to
• 42:42
  Speaker 9: find these two piglets. They went into refuges and shelters
• 42:46
  Speaker 9: and they clip parts of the pig's ears to do
• 42:49
  Speaker 9: a DNA test to try and find these two piglets
• 42:52
  Speaker 9: and then prosecute the activists because they're working at the
• 42:54
  Speaker 9: behest with this gigantic factory farm industry that's led by
• 42:58
  Speaker 9: Smithfield Farms, which is owned in large party by the Chinese.
• 43:02
  Speaker 9: But even before that, it's it's a complete bastardization of
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: farming values. They as you were showed a picture of
• 43:08
  Speaker 9: what's called a gestation crate where the female pigs are
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: put into this tiny crate where they cannot turn around.
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: There's no space for them to turn around, and they
• 43:16
  Speaker 9: live like that their whole life.
• 43:17
  Speaker 5: They're impregnated, they.
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: Have babies, the babies are taken away from them after
• 43:21
  Speaker 9: the minimal amount of time. They often step on them,
• 43:23
  Speaker 9: they don't see them. They go insane. They actually start
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: biting through the metal cages and losing all their teeth
• 43:30
  Speaker 9: because I have a small farm with a bunch of
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: farm animals, and pigs are as intelligent as dogs, as sentient,
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: and probably more emotionally complex. And what they are above
• 43:40
  Speaker 9: all else is extremely social animals. It's just like if
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: you put a human being in prolonged isolation of solitary confinement,
• 43:46
  Speaker 9: they're going to go crazy because you've deprived them of
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: what they need as human beings, which is interaction with others.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: Same with these pigs.
• 43:52
  Speaker 9: But it's done on a massive scale, and so a
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: lot of states and it's happened in Europe and elsewhere
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: around the world has said no, we're not saying we're
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: going to be vegan, we're not going to stop eating meat,
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: but there's a level of sadism and cruelty and torture
• 44:07
  Speaker 9: that we won't tolerate. And these states democratically kid It
• 44:10
  Speaker 9: was a referendum in California others as well. The Biden
• 44:12
  Speaker 9: administration challenged it, tried to get the Supreme Court to
• 44:15
  Speaker 9: overturn these animal rights, these animal abuse laws in California
• 44:19
  Speaker 9: and elsewhere.
• 44:19
  Speaker 5: The Supreme Court upheld it.
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: And so now the industry is using their control over
• 44:24
  Speaker 9: the Congress and the Senate with their money to basically
• 44:27
  Speaker 9: ban what voters enacted, saying we don't want in our
• 44:30
  Speaker 9: state to consume products that are a byproduct of the
• 44:33
  Speaker 9: most sickening torture you could possibly imagine.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: And is really all of this, Glenn, just at the
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: behest of corporate profit, is that the entire drive behind it?
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Because it doesn't even seem fathomable, You know that you
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: could be against something like this unless I guess it's
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: what X more sense in order to moderately care for
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: these animals. Is that really the drive behind this entire thing?
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: Yes, I mean, you know, farming for so long has
• 45:02
  Speaker 9: been based on organic and natural values. You have free
• 45:05
  Speaker 9: range chickens and far and cows and.
• 45:09
  Speaker 5: Pigs.
• 45:10
  Speaker 9: This is total industrialization of the process that disregards what
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: the Bible and religions teach is the inherent value of
• 45:18
  Speaker 9: God created animal life. The most majestic, one of the
• 45:20
  Speaker 9: most majestic things we have on the planet. It's designed
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: to take it and completely objectify it solely for corporate profits.
• 45:27
  Speaker 9: That's the only reason why they don't give pigs a
• 45:29
  Speaker 9: little bit more space before they're slaughtered, so that they
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: can at least turn around and have like a minimally
• 45:34
  Speaker 9: decent life on their way to the slaughterhouse. It is
• 45:38
  Speaker 9: all about corporate profits. And then they have these lobbyists,
• 45:40
  Speaker 9: and unfortunately there's no countervailing lobby that is for say,
• 45:45
  Speaker 9: animal welfare. The interesting thing is that this has become
• 45:49
  Speaker 9: genuinely bipartisan. I think like dogs are kind of the
• 45:52
  Speaker 9: gateway into understanding the cruelty to animals, and there have
• 45:56
  Speaker 9: been now biparties and efforts and genuine biparties and movements
• 45:59
  Speaker 9: to her the worst of animal cruelty. It might run
• 46:03
  Speaker 9: into problems in the Senate, but you know, I've watched
• 46:05
  Speaker 9: Congress long enough to know that you never place your
• 46:07
  Speaker 9: bets against industry lobbyists.
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: They always seem to get their way.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And they frame it, as they call it, the
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: Save our Bacon Act, and so they go after you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: Americans love a bacon I'm like, oh, bacon's going to
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: be too expensive if we don't, you know, torture these
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: pigs a little bit more. And so I know that's
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: the way I remember when California was looking to pass
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: this legislation. That was the way that they framed it.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: The sort of fear mongering tactics that they used, using
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: you know, I mean, frankly using the like exploitation, desperation
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: of the American people and their sensitivity prices against them
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: in you know, on behalf of this large industry. I
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: also wanted to get your reaction to put F four
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: up on the screen to the rescue of this fifteen
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: hundred roughly beagles. I mean, these images are just like, yeah,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: can you not be moved by these adorable little dogs
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: being you know, getting to go outside and run around
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: after being subjected to horrific conditions and being used for tests. Glinn,
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: give us a little bit of the backstory here, if
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: you could, about the way activists were able to, at
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: great costs to themselves, were able to secure the significant victory.
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, it's such a feel good story, but
• 47:18
  Speaker 9: it also has so many lessons for how activism can
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: actually succeed I think sometimes we get jaded. I even
• 47:23
  Speaker 9: just said like, hey, I wouldn't put my money against
• 47:25
  Speaker 9: you know, industry groups in Congress. But this is actually
• 47:28
  Speaker 9: a success story, but it's so long into making it.
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: The first time I wrote about Rigelin Farm was twenty
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: seventeen or eighteen, and the only reason I knew was
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: because there were these activists kind of working, you know,
• 47:37
  Speaker 9: on the fringes about an issue that hadn't gotten much attention.
• 47:41
  Speaker 9: And if you looked at what happened with Rigeland Farms,
• 47:43
  Speaker 9: they breed dogs into the world, purposely beagles, because it's
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: a very docile, loving, trusting breed of dogs that's purposely
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: the what they want in their labs, and they sell
• 47:54
  Speaker 9: them for these absolutely sadistic, gratuitous experiments to research foracilities
• 48:00
  Speaker 9: or corporations where that are funded by the US government.
• 48:03
  Speaker 9: And while they're bred, they're kept in these metal cages,
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: these just completely overcrowded metal cages. They never see the
• 48:11
  Speaker 9: light of day. These dogs that just got released, it's
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: the first time they went outside.
• 48:15
  Speaker 5: This the first time they were actually on ground.
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: They had spent their whole lives in metal cages, and
• 48:20
  Speaker 9: these activists you know, there's Wayne Song who's with the DXA,
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: the Direct Action Everywhere group that does civil disobedience. They're
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: the ones who rescued those pigs that I mentioned before.
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: They have been working to get Ridgeland farms closed. And
• 48:34
  Speaker 9: what finally enabled them to do it was that there's
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: been these bipartisan groups like White Coats Ways that have said, hey, Conservative,
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: you don't want your government money funding hideous animal experimentation.
• 48:45
  Speaker 9: Have said to the left, you love animals, you want
• 48:47
  Speaker 9: to protect animals, And it kind of became this bipartisan
• 48:50
  Speaker 9: movement because they weren't picky or ideologically pure about who
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: their allies would be. They just wanted to shut this facility.
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: And finally it's getting shut It's saving thousands of these
• 49:01
  Speaker 9: beagles who would have been destined for the most horrific
• 49:04
  Speaker 9: animal experimentations, and then they breath them into the world
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: just for experimentation, and then they killed them after.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: So that's their whole lives.
• 49:11
  Speaker 9: Ridgeland is finally being shut down, but it's still a
• 49:13
  Speaker 9: massive industry of dog experimentation that this kind of symbolizes
• 49:17
  Speaker 9: how to do successful activism, both in this area.
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: And I think more broadly.
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know this just to make it bigger
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: than animal welfare, because that's a key component of this.
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: This fits with generally, I think if you were to
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: ask RFK Junior of two years ago, maybe three years ago,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: it would have been vehemently opposed to things like this.
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  Speaker 3: It fits also with some of the betrayals from the
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  Speaker 3: Trump administration on the MAHA movement, of glyco state, and
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  Speaker 3: of the prioritization of corporate profit let's say here in
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: terms of pigs and animal welfare, but generally, one of
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  Speaker 3: the more inspiring parts you know, you would think originally
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  Speaker 3: of MAHA was like, Okay, let's actually take our environment seriously,
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: what we put into our body. It's not just good
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  Speaker 3: for us, but also in terms of regenerative agriculture, like
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  Speaker 3: many of these things have just not come to pass,
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  Speaker 3: not only not come to pass, but outright rejected by
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  Speaker 3: this administration. Glenn, And I know, I'm just curious, you know,
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  Speaker 3: what you make of that. But at the same time,
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  Speaker 3: I do think there's more heightened awareness because of the
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  Speaker 3: work that you've done activists and others on these things.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just curious how you're thinking about it.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, if you enter these facilities which I have done.
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  Speaker 9: You'll obviously be shocked by the animal cruelty, but it's
• 50:23
  Speaker 9: also physically repulsive, like the smell the conditions of these
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: animals that then are fed into people's bodies. They use
• 50:32
  Speaker 9: massive amounts of antibiotics just to kind of mass treat
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: these animals to prevent them dying before they can sell them.
• 50:38
  Speaker 9: And this mass use of antibiotics has a very high
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: risk of creating antibiotic resistant infections that can be a
• 50:45
  Speaker 9: gigantic threat to the human species. They dump this waste,
• 50:49
  Speaker 9: this disgusting, repulsive, these conditions go into poor neighborhoods where
• 50:54
  Speaker 9: they just dump enormous amounts of waste without any real
• 50:56
  Speaker 9: studies of what the impact is. There's all kinds of
• 50:59
  Speaker 9: cycle logical effects on the workers who are required to
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  Speaker 9: just slaughter and devalue human life. They come out with
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: all kinds of trauma, all kinds of psychological issues. It's
• 51:08
  Speaker 9: a multi level sickness that this industry is producing. But
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  Speaker 9: of course the problem again is you know, our Congress
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  Speaker 9: operates based solely on money, and they are a very
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  Speaker 9: well funded group. If I can just quickly tell you,
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  Speaker 9: like just one short antidote which is in places like
• 51:25
  Speaker 9: Montana and Idaho, which typically have a kind of libertarian
• 51:29
  Speaker 9: free market ideology, like you can do what you want,
• 51:32
  Speaker 9: the government shouldn't tell you. They just pass bills that
• 51:35
  Speaker 9: ban lab grown meat, which was the alternative for people
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  Speaker 9: who still want to eat meat but don't want to
• 51:40
  Speaker 9: consume animal products. And in other words, people who want
• 51:45
  Speaker 9: to buy alternatives to factory farm meat are now banned
• 51:48
  Speaker 9: from doing so because these industries are so powerful that
• 51:51
  Speaker 9: they got the legislators and the governors to ban their competitors,
• 51:55
  Speaker 9: even though these are free market states of consumer choice,
• 51:58
  Speaker 9: and like, that's the level of power that we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: Incredible stuff, Glenn, Thank you so much. Thanks for breaking
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: down all of these issues for us. We really appreciate
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  Speaker 2: it's great to see you.
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  Speaker 5: Thank I being with you guys. Thanks talk to you soon.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching.
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  Speaker 5: We appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: Friday show for everybody tomorrow. See you then.