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Keyforge Vault Tour Philly Super Mega Super Duper Super Saiyan Review and Results · Archons Corner

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No, I don't get stress is gonna get the conversation. Hey everyone,
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it's Jeremy from Ghost Galaxy and you're listening to ar CON's corner. All right,
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what's going on? Everybody? I am I'm on the only the wh
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Okay, I e giant here by our normal cast of misfits. So we
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got z Hey, we got I'm sorry, Cash Drazz Jazz, we got
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guys, we got the Choke Show. That's your sheep, yep, I'm
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not taking draft corpse name. Oh sorry, we got the Ewakis of Ewoks
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Junior. Hello, Hello Keith for arch community. Glad to be back.
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Our favorite Alf the Southern Variety is silently Alf. And we got mister Mike
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Funi joining us today for our first segment of the day. Mike, how
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you doing? I'm doing good? How are you? I've had worse days,
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I suppose. All right, Mike, how is your last name?
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Actually said, well, that's abbreviation. My last name is Funicello, so
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it's Fooney and high school that was my brother's nickname, that it was mine
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all the way up to my cousin or my nephew and now my sons.
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So it's Mike Fooney My nickname in high school is asshole. But we'll get
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it another time in wait in a high school. Yeah. Thanks, never
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changed. Yeah, thanks, never changed. But Z you guys wanted to
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do a quick interview with Mike before we got started on the festivity. Yeah.
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I think he has a pretty pretty relevant and cool story. Um,
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so it's just basic interviews with style Mike. Um, let's start off with
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the basics. Um, a lot of we just didn't view for our patreon
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for Devon and Jason, who won the whole thing. So if you want
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to hear that, so I'm a patron and take a listen. But today
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for all of us, we have Mike here. You're less of a known
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quantity in the community as far as like things go. So where are you
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from? How long you've been in key Forge? Um, I'm from near
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Albany, New York. I've been in key Forge since day one. I
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actually won my local stores opening tournament with a dixty six SSS deck. I'm
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very nice. Nice. Obviously SaaS wasn't a thing then, but um,
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was it horsemen or something fun like that? No, it was just a
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Brobnar had to some of the mars where you'd reap in archive their creatures.
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It was just kind of consistent in that way. But I still remember because
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your last podcast you talked about awkward moments after I won. There was some
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guy who's like, oh, yeah, you won with that deck. I'm
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like and look back, I'm like, sixty six ass, So what are
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you talking about? Yeah, everyone was like a certain way about certain next
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in the very beginning. It was kind of funny. Um drafts and take
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the next question. Yeah yeah, So so tell me about your vaulty experience.
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Was this your first one? And how was this one? This was
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actually my second one. I did albany Um back in what was that twenty
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nineteen, Like kind of consider this Phillthy one my first one because I had
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just started getting in the competitive about a month before albany Uh traded some I
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bought some decks and then traded with Jupiter Um. I brought a Peters.
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I don't know if you guys know that deck gave was say, yeah,
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it's it's been owned by like twelve people. Yep. Yeah. It was
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like an eighty three sass at the time, and I totally misplayed it.
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I go over that all the time. I pulled back and Eddie instead of
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pulling back up the five story on creature that otoac against the Shadows deck.
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Right. So that was my first fall tour, um, but this fall
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tour it was a you know, I got a deck that was eighty five
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SaaS was playing it one hundred and fifty games in the last month, but
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I was about sixty. Um. I did beat cheap with Fraud once and
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ran out and told everybody, and they all looked at me like I had
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two heads. Um, he has sense murdered me many times. So I
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thought it was going great, but then the loss after loss, so I
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was thinking I'd go maybe two wins. So yeah, all right, g
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are you gonna ask him next question? That directly leads into this. Yeah.
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I mean it kind of heard a little bit about there with your deck
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selection, but we've we haven't eventually faced off in arkon. So what was
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your original arkon deck Planum? I think you've shared what the deck is,
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but uh, kind of talk to us about why you were looking at that
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deck and how that deck kind of fit in with your original choice. Sure,
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so it kind of sets up a little before that where I wasn't playing
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key for itge So I sold almost every one of my decks, the Jupiter,
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which he put for sale like today, so then I was. Then
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we played some Wall once we got our Kickstarter, and it was I just
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had so much fun that it reignited me, and I started playing on TCO
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obviously not with Woe at the time, and and friends were talking about going
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to Philly. So I started playing it on TCO and just got murdered by
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this double dark Amber Vault deck. So I started looking for one and I
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didn't find double, but my friend had one that it was a single double
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dark Amber Vault but also had eaton jar. It was it was a good
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deck, so I that was going to be the deck I played. I
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figured I would, um, like I said, win a couple of games.
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Funny thing is I would have had a much better chance against Jofie with
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that deck than with what I ultimately played. But I never would have been
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there, right, I wouldn't have been four and oh at that time,
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So yeah, I think I made a good choice, all right. So
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you were planning on that deck, you'd found that, and you end up
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with something else, so so tell everyone, so not everyone knows like what
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happened, like, so Friday, you're playing at this Philly ball in these
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raindow events. Once we finally got our product, Like just walk us through
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the progression of like that moment, so that like you showed up to ten
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am the next day to play play the deck that you decided to play.
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What was that process? Um? Well, I had joked with my friends
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that I'm gonna get down there early and buy like four cases of whoe and
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find my adult ball. Um. But then like all of the events that
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had to take place, like to go bad or to go good, however
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you want to word it, Like their palette had to not show up.
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They had to you know, skip those decks in on an airplane, and
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I happened to be on the phone in the corner when they said to line
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up, So I was deck on her third right whatever. I was in
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the line and hamming the deck. I go, I open it and woe
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was new. So it's not like opening like a re battle Fleet key abduction
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deck where you immediately know you got something great, and you know, I
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first look at brobnar and I see double brick nasty, but no HOLI fast,
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So I'm like, oh, I don't know, and I look at
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it, unfathomable, there's no you know, be fuddled in the business abyssal
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site. But then I started looking at the aquedon and the exchange program with
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shoot In Screwed Investor, closed door Negotiation, umchange programs. Yeah, so
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it's very consistent and trading frenzies. So I can swap take six of yours
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and swap it over and you know, immediately take it back at the amber,
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back into my pool. Uh. So I'm opening the decks and you
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know, obviously we're trying to seal the lions, and I say to my
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friends at June um who's she's like really good, much better than I am,
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And said, I think this might be a good deck by itself.
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And we start looking at it and we pull it up on uh you know,
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deck's a key Fororage. At that time, it's ninety four sass.
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It's now ninety three sass. So I said, all right, yeah right,
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it's like don't worry seven by next week. UM. I was like,
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you know, what if I'm going to play this tomorrow, Like I
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actually said that, I'm like, maybe I should play this tomorrow. I
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was like, I'll play it as is in seal the Lions, and my
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first deck it just rolled. And then her first game it just rolled.
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My second game, I actually played Bruce, who ultimately finished fourth in Alliance,
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and he had this big Saurian board and he really beat me pretty good.
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I made some mistakes, but then so I'm feeling bad now. But
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then my third game was just easy. It was so easy. I was
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like, all right, well, what's going on here? So I asked
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June to get out her three Chronos deck that she actually did top sixteen with
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in the Vault Tour, and I said, let me play you. You
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know now, it's like eleven thirty right as we tried to find yeah,
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yeah, yeah, we couldn't find beer in Philly because it's a beer store,
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and so we're like, all right, let's just go back and play.
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And I'm like, if it's competitive, I'm gonna play it. And
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the first game she beats me pretty easily, but like I had two keys,
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I think. And we played again and it was a little tighter.
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Again she beats me three to two, and like that was it. Like
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I'm playing this deck. I have to do it. It's better than the
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deck I was gonna play um. And then I show up and I'm doing
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and like I had some doubts. When I'm saying in line to register,
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I'm like, I shouldn't do this. I shouldn't get to get to the
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guys like which deck to h Yeah, and like Jupiter thought like you're nuts,
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Like he didn't say it all loud, but he's like, so why
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are you playing it? Because it's ninety four SaaS, you know, hinting
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at I shouldn't. I was like, well, no, because it's no
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much better than the one I'm playing. Um. Yeah. Then my first
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game was actually one of my more difficults until later obviously when I when I
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lost UM when heck, guy didn't really know how his deck worked and you
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didn't know how to reassembling automatrons worked and stuff. So I was like,
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oh man, they make it a bad decision. And then I just then
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I just rolled um right up until I got to Jovi. And even at
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that point when I'm playing Jove and Jove kills me like three out. Oh,
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Like I was like, all right, maybe this isn't as good as
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I think. Maybe I just had a bad draw and I had an easy
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draw, and I'm thinking that all day. So one of the guys I
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beat, he's finished, you know, just out of top sixteen. The
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other guy beat lost a Jupiter in top sixteen. So I was like,
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all right, all right, you know, we got something here. Maybe
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I'm not as bad as I think. And then come to my game with
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e Walk, and I was down early and fast, and like, inside,
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I concede it inside, like I'm gonna lose this. Just make it
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a game, and we just kept battling, you know, and ultimately came
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out on top in easily the best player I've beaten against, one of the
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best decks, in one of the best games I've ever won. And I
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told him that and that game like and I told him and pretty much any
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would have listened at that point that I felt validated and that I could actually
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play key Forge at a high level. Granted I had a great deck and
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I got lucky to open it, but beating him with his deck that he's
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played thousands of times or however many, really that really put me over the
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top. Feeling good. Well, j are you got a response? You're
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here? I did um again, Mike. I appreciated the game. It
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was a very hard fought game. It's unfortunate to kind of finish with the
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end of time rules, but it was it was great to see woe come
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out and one for you to have the confidence to see woe and the potential
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in the deck and then to actually execute that and say I'm going to take
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it. As you said, it wasn't an easy decision. It wasn't like
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you were just blowing everybody out when you were practicing, but with a few
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reps to come into ARCon with few reps compared to other people who had significantly
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more rep like six, I mean maybe five when I started ball too.
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Yeah. Yeah, but but that shows a lot of guts and I love
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to see that, and I'm glad that it paid off. Um. You
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know, I would have obviously liked to have seen a different outcome on the
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final game, but the end result is that that's woe and that's what it
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can do. Um. And it was a great, hard fought match,
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and so I loved every moment of it. Awesome. Yeah, it was
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a great to play with you, and I told you that in person there,
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but yeah, it was amazing to play with you. Um. So
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oh, I was gonna say, And so this became the first deck in
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our Cohn the first Woe deck to make top eight. Because of this,
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it was pretty pretty cool, pretty like I predicted at the Expensive You Walk
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unfortunately one would make top eight. I did not predict that it would be
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opened at the event on Friday, which I think this is important for people
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to hear because like for over a year now, we've basically be like have
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been preaching that you just don't open decks and make top eight top cut in
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anything in the future. UM, and we covered it, like when we
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talked to Devin yesterday, Devin opened his deck like a couple months ago at
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a store while he was board waiting to play DND or some other game or
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something. You just cracked a code to pack and that was the winning deck
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for our corn over this weekend. Mike here opened it the during the event
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for Alliance, Like we're wrong, Lane ass can be you can just open
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a deck in make top eight is gonna sell your z I'm not saying this
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is changing my sealed opening methods or non methods, but either way it is
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very possible. UM. But so like the fact that Julian five rec directly
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goes in the next question that I had planned, which sheep is still not
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in the sheet. So I'll answer the question, ask the question, what
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did you learn during or after the event about your deck that you think you'd
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be doing better on now that you've just had more reps? Jeez, where
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we can um? Well for good radio? Can we actually go ahead and
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state what the deck is? Because not everyone probably? Okay, we don't
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douse block Bot's gonna tell us about your deck. Block Bot is not going
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to do that. Oh okay, I then I could but tells everyone about
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his deck. Do you actually, Mike, do you have the name off
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the top of your head? Otherwise I can plug her in? What kind
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of question of that? Of course I do. It's sitting in front of
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me in case you had questions exactly what's in it? Um? Are you
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purring? Like? Is it purring your relevant like? You know it's your
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hairless cat? Here the um the hairless cat. No, it's much better
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than a hairless cat. Um. Yeah, So I've been playing it all
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day since the most of all that has been fixed. But the name of
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the deck is Trader Daniel Cotton harm. Cotton harm is one word. Um.
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We refer to it as a Trader Dan, as a trader with a
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D not a trade tour erect. Yeah. Um, so with I played
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the Prospector as a pure draw deck, like I'm just gonna draw and draw,
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like that was my first game, Like just keep trying to draw and
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you know, just you go that way. Um. And then night after
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playing Ewalk, he's like, hey, you know, you should probably keep
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the Prospectors alive and use them as creatures. And then you know, Z
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said the same thing after my game, and then on the way home um
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from Philia, which I had like a five hour drive because of the rain,
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I started thinking about it, and then it clicked. It's like,
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yeah, if my first turn I dropped against see I dropped three Prospectors,
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but then I you know, I kilt them all right there? Yeah mass
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mass buyout, Yeah I got. I ended the tern with four amber.
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I'm feeling good, you know. And but if I had left three creatures
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out there, if he doesn't kill them, I come in a reap for
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three and then bass buy out and I'm at a key at turn two if
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he does kill them nine cards, It's like, oh man, that I
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messed that up. But I still don't feel bad because I still feel like
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I won, like getting top eight. I won, you know, on
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top of having a great deck to take home. Um. But so what
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I've learned since then is to really handcraft, and I learned it with e
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walk Is. I just held on to MOODI. Unfortunately it has to drop
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hips on it, so you really just you do want to play it and
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get essentially a draw of four between making the token and that later drawing one.
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But I held onto that against Z unfortunately at the time, so it
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didn't matter, but it held and held until it would matter. Yeah.
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But I've really been handcrafting now with a shrewd investor and Exchange program. Yeah,
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that's just an easy take three from them and it turns into a seven
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swap, right, I gained four in the end. Yeah, and I
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have played against Exchange program quite a bit, so I kept my board very
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very clear, very few creatures. It's like, I'm not play to creature
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down here, because that is stupid. Yeah, and for those of you
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wondering who MODI is, that's what we hear at AC affectionately called tim Gimmy
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Jimmy Timmy. And then another thing I did learn was I played a couple
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amazing games today where I was down two keys to one, battled back because
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of weak link and um the rod So yeah, their key costs twelve um.
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Granted I had used that against Ewalk, but like it was amazing.
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They had eleven amber, they're going to win the game, and then their
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next turn they're at seventeen. But you also have like the fish dude that
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could keep somebody tapping. Yeah tom oh yeah, um for rocks whatever,
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yeah if they're depth damage. But then I go back rant and rive,
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steal half prop Ragnar prep and go on to win that game. And then
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I had another game where all the brobnar was in my hand, double brick
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nasty um put out the flame wing spock Herder. He'll make a token next
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turn. Very good. Yeah, it was just like, you know,
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it's way better than I thought. I mean, I played ten games today
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and it's just late night and day compared to what the val Tour play was.
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Like, what's your record today? Out of ten um one moment,
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I'll tell you I lost one game and that was too. I knew his
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name when I lost, but I can't remember his name now m but he
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was playing his name Deck second Wind or something like that. Second act yeah,
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second act yeah, second act. Yeah, he had a oh sorry,
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I'm eight and one today. I lost that one game he was playing
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his name deck dropped a legionary trainer and made like three or four tokens that
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turn all which reaped and draw cards. Yeah, so yeah, that was
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just I've seen that deck. It's it's really fun. Yeah. Um,
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but yeah, I've been steamrolling. I think I think Southerly Elf we played
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earlier day, we showed off. Speaking of that, I'm sorry what Southerly
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off? I didn't hear you. Oh. Danie also brought a Jackey opened
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at the vault, but uh trader trader dan took me down yep. Um.
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So, final question, what's your future ball plans? Um? I
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was checking the dates and I can't make any of them because I also I
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coach youth football and it's my my youngest son's last season where I'm his coach
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and he doesn't just play for school, and they're going to be during our
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draft at one's going to be during a game. Um. So I was
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really hoping I could make one, but they're just that doesn't match up.
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Well. There will be a play in at Worlds if you are able to
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make that. I think that's November tenth through twelve, um, but man,
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I would have been love to see you on for further adventures. And
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yeah, yeah, any questions from for us before we announced you had to
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be here and get onto our normal rant driving whining. No, I can't
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think of any off the top, I mean top my hand because you guys,
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uh, it's great to play both you ze and you walk. You
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both helped me after the game, which is part of the community, right.
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Yeah, um, so it's fantastic. Hopefully my friends will take Trader
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Dan to Minnesota. But I, oh, I'm trying. I'm like,
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guys, take it. I can't make it. Like, let's start get
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reps represent like we're not officially a team, but you know our our mini
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small little discord here we've top eight, top twelve, two or two top
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eights, a top twelve, and a top sixteen. Like we're doing all
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right here. That's pretty good man, Like, yeah, there's like six
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or seven of us on that discord that talks. It was Jupiter Happy saying
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June was top sixteen. So yeah yeah, and now Jukes selling all of
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this stuff again. Yeah, go, oh my god, that guy we're
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gonna we're gonna fight over fleet. I think we loved you. Yes,
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yes, if it wasn't for him, I wouldn't have had Peters and I'll
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sorts of decks. So well, all right, I think we're gonna kick
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you out. I hope you have a great evening. Stick around and listen
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to the show if you like. We were talking about everyone's vault experience the
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weekend. Um, I don't think coming on. Yeah, I think.
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Thank you. I'm honored to have been invited. Um, you know,
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my fifteen minutes are up, and I'm okay with that. I'll just go
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back to being unknown and playing key for it. Oh you're known now,
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You're not that and Mike, you are known on the Facebook group there,
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so it was really nice to actually meet you in person. And again,
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as he said, the community is great. We are there to help each
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other, so I appreciate being able to play. I would have liked to
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see a different outcome, but hey, that's key forgein. Gotta love every
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minute. Man you tried on your playing a Star Alliance when you reaped with
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um Kirby hits all right, I did, I did. I'll talk to
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you later, Yeah, later, all right, time for more fun festivities
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from the Vault tour. So I guess we're gonna give it a quick rundown
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of days and as we come into some of the talking points that we have
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and maybe again maybe we'll focus on these a little bit more and upcoming episodes
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and kind of go from there. Does that sound guys? Sounds good?
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All right? So day zero, x Ray again gets lost. Wow,
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most of us weren't there, I mean, dress but you couldn't even help
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a brother out. You just let him get lost on his own. Woe
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A dark alley again somewhere, I mean, he was in a far worst
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place than a dark alley. So so x Ray goes in on Thursday.
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I'm working Thursday, right, so I can't I can't get down there or
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whatever. And so x Ray, I guess, is like, I'm gonna
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go. I don't know, I don't find a chick fili or something.
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I don't know what he's doing for whatever reason, wherever he's barbecue barbecue.
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There you go. He's like, oh, here's a barbecue spot, and
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Philly barbecue spots. Wouldn't you be looking? But in Philly that's not like
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the first thing I go to. Yeah, that's not the first thing you
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looking for a cheesesteak. Yeah, and you definitely don't look for any of
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it in West Philly because West Philly is definitely not the place you want to
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go. And apparently he gets there if you want to stay alive, Yeah,
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yeah, there's certain places like West Philly. Don't want to go there.
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Right, I'm in North Philly, Like you don't want to be in
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Kensington, Like there's there's a number of places you just don't want to be.
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And uh so x Ray was there and I don't I don't exactly remember
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the story, but apparently he's walking around and seeing like, wait a second,
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like I'm in a really really shady neighborhood, and um, didn't he
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say he had an encounter he saw he witnessed someone like out on the street
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being arrested outside of the Barbie coup laz he found after he was like walking
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out to his car. Yeah, I guess there his car. I guess
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he had to uber to these places because he didn't have right car. Actually,
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right, that's even worse. And I think he's probably out there waiting
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for the uber while he's just watching somebody getting you know, you know,
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read their rights or whatever. Well, he said, he's I thought,
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he said he saw the guy. The cop actually drew his taser on the
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guy whoever was getting arrested, like like, don't make me have to taste
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you don't ask me, bro, And so I think started to realize,
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what a second, this is not where I should be. Edie told me
27:18
the next day. I was like, well it was in West Philly.
27:21
I was like, what, yeah, a picture and where he was on
27:26
the discord and everything. It's like, well, this is like you're not
27:30
supposed to leave the hotel, bro, Like, I mean, there are
27:33
plenty of good places to go in Philly. We checked out some of those
27:37
great places which we can talk about. None of them were in West Philly.
27:42
No, So I think if we have learned anything here, it is
27:45
if you are traveling an x Ray says let's go to such and such,
27:51
just saying no, because you say you walked down that dark alley first.
27:59
Let you survived. Just hide behind x Ray. The guy it won't see
28:03
you, all right, he wasn't by the navigator in the car. And
28:10
you know we did get to the right place eventually. Did you go through
28:14
like a whole bunch of bad neighborhoods. First, well, probably take her
28:18
wrong there and somewhere more than a one cliff. So that is how you
28:23
get experienced and stories that you will forever remember about these amazing But this is
28:30
x Ray we're talking about. X Ray has not doesn't like leave his house
28:34
on most days. What he doesn't eat at home? He leaves his house
28:40
every day. Well, okay, you're confusing x Ray and Z. Oh
28:45
sorry, maybe I put up that Texas roadhouse. Yeah, but uh,
28:53
let's see what he doesn't differentiate? Different differentiate, tell those apart. There's
29:00
some another big Texan I did not know. Did you know there is a
29:04
live chat in the show, not just the live chat. I can kill
29:08
that now. There must be like a live chat. Yeah, if you
29:12
know. If you look up at the top right, there's a little chat
29:15
bubble and there's an actual chat in within here. I didn't know that.
29:19
See if there goes Dan, Yep, I did not know that. So
29:25
that's cool. I can eliminate that chat channel. But more al of the
29:27
story, don't travel with x Well, you can travel with x Ray,
29:32
but uh, beware question. I just don't let X Ray make choices.
29:38
Yeah, don't let go wherever you you think lately cheap. You're the one
29:45
going ahead and saying don't travel with X ray tell us, now I don't.
29:52
I said don't let them all right, So tell us day one Friday,
29:59
How is the start of your bolt tour? Sheep? My Bolt tour
30:03
is great? No, no, no, no Friday travel. We're just
30:06
travel where I lost my idea immediately and didn't have enough sleep, and it
30:11
was just a fantastic day. That's fun. We didn't lose the carum,
30:18
nothing serious happened. It was all good. You didn't blow a tire.
30:22
I did not. We didn't hit a Cat's that I'm aware of. Yeah,
30:30
I didn't have to do too many Swervey things. That's still draft cars.
30:36
That's still top five most terrified I think I've ever been in my life.
30:40
I had no idea why. Yeah, just he makes a huge wide
30:44
left turn back into the center lane for a cat. Sure it was a
30:48
cat. Still don't know what it was. But that's a totally different thing
30:52
than the draft car. The draft car, I gave everybody the same experience,
30:56
perfect, perfect, You ain't special Wisconsin cat Yep. But for attendance
31:04
that we had ninety nine in ARCon and nineteen in Alliance, for a total
31:08
of one hundred and eighteen playing in the Vault tour itself. I think they
31:15
said there was one hundred and thirty registrants, so there were I was just
31:19
gonna ask aleven people who didn't play or whatever it is due to some kind
31:25
of circumstance. They must have bought tickets and not made it out or whatever.
31:27
Yeah, or said, I don't actually want to play either of these
31:30
fourmats. I just want the decks and to hang out and play the other
31:33
stuff. Yeah, there's some people I thought didn't show up to the main
31:37
events and just went ahead to the like second member and doing sealed. H
31:42
But let's let's talk about those numbers for a moment, shall we. Because
31:48
we did a prediction and all of us were like sixty percent arc on percent
31:52
Alliance around there, and you're not taking my time in the sun away from
31:56
me. Why Alliance number worse spot on Wookie Winso did predict one hundred and
32:06
eleven participants. However, our percentages for our Cotton Alliance were wildly wrong.
32:15
Um, yes they were. I said sixty forty. Drazz said sixty five
32:19
thirty five Sheep said sixty six thirty three zero sixty seven people there. Wow,
32:29
Sheep was the worst on the number prediction, but actually was the closest
32:34
for the spread um because it was just a little shy at twenty percent.
32:40
Our god, but Wookie was really really good as far as the number,
32:46
Like you're spot on, like that's seven away. That's really good. Well,
32:50
I mean it's pretty I don't know if you've been paying attention since Oh,
32:54
I don't know, what was that place we were down in Illinois that
32:59
was a forever and a day trip away. That problems with you the answers
33:02
now Collinsville, thank you. Since then, there's been that one only had
33:08
like seventy some but it's been pretty traditionally around that one ten to one twenty
33:14
rate for most you know, quote unquote Vault tours. KFC kind of broke
33:20
the mold with that, but that wasn't a Vault tour. Well, and
33:23
when you're talking twenty percent, we actually have, you know, just shy
33:28
of one hundred and twenty where we actually got to sixteen percent. They're almost
33:31
seventeen percent for Alliance, right, So it's a very very very small percentage,
33:37
and I think the best decision for me was actually not to show up
33:40
last week for recording. I love you guys all, but I was up
33:44
at two forty Central time, and by the time I finally laid my head
33:47
down that day, I was at least twelve thirty one o'clock Eastern time.
33:55
And I would argue one of the other important things when you and a vault
34:00
tour is sleep management along with food management, um in addition to what we
34:05
have been talking about for water. So I would definitely add those two things
34:07
in for the future. This is why I don't come because I keep everyone
34:13
up at night that I was so grateful to have the little bit of sleep
34:16
that I got, so thank you for that, Wookie, no problem,
34:21
I'll tell you wow. I'll tell Gig to always have it right on my
34:25
children's birthdays. I was having fun with well, actually I wasn't having fun.
34:30
I was what I mean, I have I have more hair than a
34:34
majority of the people in this chat, but what little I have left was
34:39
either graying or falling out. So we're talking about back here now or I
34:45
got a lot of it because that's where it travels to, right, That's
34:49
right for everybody to strict to your bath. So all right, I'm gonna
34:54
stop harassing Wookie now thirteen twelve. Move on from the numbers, though,
35:00
we do need to note that, like we're standing in line, we're all
35:05
in arc On. The ARCon line is ginormous, and everyone and their little
35:09
pods of people are starting to appoint at the Alliance like laugh and make jokes.
35:14
Right, yeah, while we're standing there, three people walk from the
35:21
ark On line, grab some decks in their stuff and register for Alliance instead.
35:28
Maybe one of them just played their arcn you counted three. I actually
35:37
saw sex, so that's why, um, and I happened to be at
35:40
the back of the line for ARCon. I was trying to match up to
35:43
see if my proxy deck would be allowed. Um it was not, but
35:49
I wanted to make sure that everything lined up. Here's the cards in the
35:52
order that matches on both sets, and yeah, I had someone right behind
35:55
me. There are six individuals that they had counted that had witched from Arkon
36:00
to Alliance at that point, so that we really really would have been one
36:06
oh five to thirteen yea, and not including the sixty switched. Um,
36:12
there are other people I spoke beforehand that pre signed up for Alliance because they
36:15
knew it'd be less people. Yeah, well it was, it would have
36:17
still been, but switching from like line, the line is a little bit
36:22
more aggressive as far as like this really should have only been thirteen. Well,
36:25
the picture they they practiced, they came out for Arkon. That's what
36:29
they're set for. Ye, and that's crazy, yep. I mean we
36:32
just talked to Mike about being able to pick up a deck the day before
36:37
and run it for Arkon. Man, think I'm gonna go ahead and switch
36:39
because Alliance is a different baby by itself. Um, Have these folks thought
36:45
that maybe they had a better chance by switching than technically they did Because we'll
36:51
get to this later. But they only had to win like two games you
36:54
get to top eight. Um, I had to win a lot more than
36:59
that, you walk, Hony. We'll talk about that when we get the
37:07
Statistically, they had a good shot. But yes, has this sent a
37:12
large enough um, large enough cry want for them to possibly do away with
37:22
you? No, they're still gonna try to push. I mean, you
37:25
can yell all you want if you're yelling at a deaf person. They ain't
37:29
gonna hear you bro wow. I mean I was like, look, I
37:37
have submitted the form um, but it wasn't about this, Like I am
37:42
still in the boat that key Fords for all theeds to be a thing like
37:49
screw. I mean, I thought it was just three, but apparently there's
37:51
thirteen people that had dedicated time, got rep spent money on decks, did
37:55
whatever they need to do to be good at this format, and thirteen is
38:00
more than zero. So like, respecting these people and their version of key
38:06
for its is fine. It doesn't actually affect me at all. I played
38:09
my event. Whether they were there or not, did not affect my event.
38:14
I think the only thing that's truly missing from these formats is that sealed
38:19
needs to be a third yes option run concurrently with the other two. I
38:25
saw how it was run. We're gonna talk about a lot of things.
38:29
G and Marcus did a good job running two very high end concurrent events.
38:36
I think with adding minimal more staff, maybe just one more person, actually
38:40
they could have been running a sealed event concurrently with these two, and we
38:45
could have had all three events at all, all all nationals, in all
38:51
worlds, and we would actually have had more people in that scenario, I
38:54
think we see one hundred and fifty people playing OP across three events because more
39:00
people will show up to play Sealed, because we know this to be true
39:04
from the full year of OP play we had before. Every Sealed Vault sold
39:08
more than every Arc. Every every Sealed Vault always does better than our con
39:13
vault. I mean, so it's not like because like I think they're argument
39:15
of doing that as it would cut from the other format, Like I don't
39:17
think it does. Like I think we would literally have seen Like I think
39:21
there are some people who would flap over. I mean, it's gonna go
39:25
sealed our con Alliance, like there's no I think you still see the nineteen
39:29
people because like there's the people who really want to play it, and then
39:31
there's a people that will sell their sold to make top cut. But you're
39:35
still gonna get the nineteen people there, right, But like our con will
39:37
probably would have probably had like seventy and Sealed probably would have had seventy five,
39:42
and Union it would like one hundred and sixty people playing key Forge and
39:45
having a great time. So I don't think you're rid of Alliance. Just
39:50
bring back the format that is literally the most popular of all time. I
39:53
why is it not here? I think that we can see the gen Con
39:58
numbers also showing this as well. That ar consoled out Alliance, there's still
40:02
a few slots, so you have some people who are die hard Arkon fans.
40:07
There's more than a few well, but they won't play Alliance. But
40:10
there's other individuals who just want to play key for But ultimately I think Alliance
40:15
will fill out at gen Conn as well. I think you will see the
40:17
seventy two seventy two, but we are only going to see it because gen
40:21
Coon is. Lots of people go to it anyway, and there's nothing else
40:24
for them to play if because Arkon is told out so fast. Yeah,
40:29
we allowed seventy two people to play an ar kind of gen count. Yeah,
40:32
seventy two slots for each because that's the only amount of space they'd get.
40:36
Um, and there are people who wanted to play Arkon who are not
40:39
able to because they did not get it into our boy x right in the
40:44
ac is one like we all know, he's famous for registering for stub late.
40:47
Well this time it actually bit him in the ass. He is not
40:51
going to get to play ark on. Therefore he's not even going to gen
40:53
Con. So all right, so with talks obviously. Um, you guys
41:00
all came home, Me, Sheep and Sheep, Ewok and myself had our
41:07
had our regular night at the game store in Ewok. You tell me you
41:10
saw buckets of new people. Yeah, this was actually one of the things
41:15
that surprised me. And this was a great surprise. Even as we walked
41:20
in, I met a couple who I hadn't gone ahead and seen, and
41:25
Drazz I know that we were sitting down playing and they came up and just
41:28
hey, how's it going, started talking, so big shout out to Laura
41:32
and Ian. They were, you know, from the Philly area, but
41:37
key Forge. But there were multiple individuals I saw around that came in their
41:40
groups from up and down the East Coast that they were new. Here's two
41:46
weeks into key Forge, here's a month into key Forge. Hey, I'm
41:50
just getting back into key Forge. Seeing and hearing those statements was really,
41:54
really, really nice and something that I think is encouraging for our group,
42:00
for key Forge as a whole. Yeah, I was very pleased and surprised
42:06
by how many new folks there there was. It. Um, I had
42:12
anticipated right that in future events once sealed product was released, that newer folks
42:17
would be coming around. I was very impressed by how many unknown names there
42:23
was at this event before release, before full release of while it was pretty
42:29
awesome. Yeah, it has been a long time to dip in a room
42:31
of key forgers where I didn't like no large chunks of people. There's probably
42:37
forty people in that room I had never seen U. It was very very
42:43
courageous. That's one of the bigger positives of it. Like just the one
42:45
twenty eight there were more than that, right, So there were like one
42:50
hundred and forty people there and then like another forty people that I had never
42:54
seen. Like our game is to some extent growing in a way that,
43:00
like we talked about, like needed to happen. So that is very encouraging
43:02
to see. Um, we won't be able to do anything like metric like
43:07
that for gen Con because it's capped, but I am excited to see how
43:10
many we get in Minnesota because that will be another data point to see like
43:15
how many people are there, how many people are new, how many people
43:21
are just trying to force alliance? All Right, I'm gonna ask this question
43:27
because this is the draft Corps created the sheet this week. Well before you
43:31
before you get there, Wookie. I also want to give a shut up
43:34
because there were new faces on the GG side as well. Um, and
43:38
so that was that was something I was not anticipating. But uh, we
43:44
walk in and as we walked in, there is a new face that's wearing
43:49
a GG shirt. That happened to be Josh, who is the new Key
43:51
Forage op and not not h but honestly, I think from scouting from the
44:00
other discords, I believe online handle's orbital tangent. But Josh is there.
44:05
And it's hysterical because Josh comes up to the group that was talking and this
44:10
is a group of pretty die hard regulars had been around since the beginning,
44:15
and just like, so Key Forage, are you guys new? Just like
44:22
started laughing, like you have no idea what you walked into? Man,
44:27
he was He was hired two days before the Philly Vault tour. So shout
44:31
out to Josh and being able to set up events, being able to help
44:36
run part of what was there. I also spent quite a bit of time
44:38
with Keith, so shout out to Keith. He is actually the software side
44:44
and had worked fifteen years with CTP. But you have other individuals that were
44:50
there and I would not be. And I think he's brother. Yes,
44:57
yeah, not a clue, right, So now our nepotism, that's honestly,
45:07
isn't that how small companies work. I mean most of people I run
45:15
a small pawn shop, you know, in a larger company, and most
45:20
of them are related. So just just saying that's that's kind of how these
45:27
things they go. Well, I thought that Keith was awesome. He spent
45:30
a lot of time just being able to talk and just really personal and we
45:36
were talking even about Keyport's just family and kind of items that are happening.
45:39
Um And that was while we were waiting for kind of some product there.
45:44
So we'll get to that in a little bit. But I appreciated seeing some
45:47
new faces, both on the player side and for GG realizing that this event
45:53
is going to require some staff members to be there. Um So I appreciated
45:58
that choice when they couldn't find somebody to run it for them, just no,
46:05
but they could have just left Jeremy, and I think that would have
46:07
been an absolute catastrophe. Um So I do think that they made the right
46:12
call to bring in other employees to be there to help assist it. Just
46:15
it requires multiple sets of hands. Having run live, we know that.
46:20
Um, so I give them credit that they actually had people there. All
46:24
Right, I'm gonna this is the one I gotta ask, sir, Sir
46:29
draz Korn start start at three. Jeremy looks nervous. Yeah, it's like
46:36
it's getting close to three. It's all like maybe it's like two thirty.
46:39
So I'm walking around, I see I see Jeremy like at the table there
46:45
where g folks are getting set up, and so I walk over to him
46:51
to say, hey, how's it going, excited to be here whatever?
46:54
And the dude looks super nervous. It looks like hasn't slept. Like I
47:00
mean, I'll be honest with you, guys, sent some pictures. He
47:04
just looks tired. Yeah. Yeah, it looked like I don't know if
47:07
I would say he was nervous, he was just exhausted. Yeah yeah.
47:12
And so so I was like, how's it, good man. He's like,
47:14
oh, you know, it's like okay. He's like, will you'll
47:19
find out in a moment. I love drazz cars stories. It's just came
47:25
in a high pitched gard oh no, and so so like I instantly,
47:32
the first thing that flashes into my head is the product's not here. Immediately,
47:38
oh immediately, I was like, there are no woe decks here.
47:43
There are no unshain decks. But I do not say this out loud because
47:47
I do not want to jinx the situation. But like, I'm like to
47:53
be like, what else could it be that Jeremy looks this frazzled that were
47:59
that were here and like nothing and I'm looking around right and I'm like,
48:04
there's a couple of banners and stuff. Isn't like that much stuff around.
48:08
They had like a little like tripod speaker they would trying to use. I'm
48:13
like something something fishy and it wasn't the raider. That wasn't wasn't the raider.
48:23
And uh yeah. So so come three o'clock, Jeremy walks up and
48:30
is yelling because there's really no speaker system there. Because well, he informs
48:37
us that, hey, there's there's a palette of stuff of products that includes
48:45
like wow, sealed decks, the sealed on chained decks, the mystery that
48:50
we'll talk about in a moment. It includes their projectors, their screens,
48:55
like all their equipment that they were going to use to make the event great.
49:06
It didn't show up yesterday. He called and they were like, oh,
49:10
yeah, hey, I'll be there tomorrow for sure. So he calls
49:14
Friday morning and they're like, oh, no, I don't know who told
49:16
you that this stuff is still on a train. It's not going to be
49:20
there till Monday. And so the product, by the way, for those
49:24
of you following at home, we're going to use on Friday or seal the
49:31
lines. Yep. This is all the unchained decks or don't know what is
49:38
yep, yep. Lots of prize stuff never appeared. So so I can
49:45
understand why Jereby is like he absolutely freaked out and frazzled, like he hasn't
49:51
slept. So they pivoted and they needed to, right, this is the
49:55
Vault number one, like you gotta make it happen. So what they did
50:00
is, you know, called home base and it's like, we got nothing,
50:06
Well, you guys got to bring something. So they put I actually
50:10
forget the guy's name, he's the Art of Forage manager, and they put
50:17
him on a plane with three boxes full of decks and flew him to Philly
50:27
right and uh, so that he got there right when he could get there
50:30
right a little late. Uh and uh brought brought a bunch of woe with
50:37
him so we could play whoam, and brought a small amount of unchained decks,
50:45
now not enough to run the unchained matches, but enough that there was
50:47
some there that we could do unchained pods. Um. So, I you
50:53
know, do you have to hand us to them for pivoting and for making
51:01
the best of a really bad situation because they they had to right. You
51:08
can imagine what half of you would have done, right And they're like,
51:10
oh well, but they they realized they had to do something. And I'm
51:16
sure this was expensive for them to do, but they made it happen so
51:23
that we could have a sealed event, even if it was it was only
51:28
three rounds um and Uh. We didn't get the full event, but we
51:32
did we did get to have some fun. Yeah, so in the end
51:37
there was no unchained matches. I think they actually navigated that hurdle um really
51:42
really well. Honestly, like they that was a huge hurdle to overcome.
51:46
I was super looking forward to the unchained thing happening. It didn't happen,
51:51
but I think given all of the barriers they had being able to start,
51:54
I think we started playing around six thirty or at least we started getting the
51:58
new seven decks around six thirty seven. So like it was, it happened,
52:04
it happened. So that was very very good on them too. I
52:07
don't have some great about it and kind of power through the situation. All
52:13
right, it's time till Lucky will. It's it's time for the up in
52:20
my chair and for the great debate, right, the great debate. So
52:25
one of the things that came out of UM the Vault Tour in Philly is
52:30
the introduction of the Master Vault set. There is a lot I'm mixed emotions.
52:39
Is that fair? Mixed emotions? You could say that about this set.
52:45
I as well have mixed emotions, mixed emotions. Complicated, guy,
52:53
Yeah, I'm complicated. He's an onion, that's right. So who are
53:00
to tell me what the Master Vault Master decks are? I think I got
53:07
this part. So the Vault Master set is a three hundred and sixty four
53:15
cards set made of a previous They take all of the sets that exists.
53:21
Sets one through six. They ignore any cards that make tokens, they ignore
53:24
any cards that affect or deal with the tide. And they have certain selected
53:30
cards put into this three hundred and sixty cards set, and they put it
53:36
in the algorithm just like any other algorithmic design choice has normal rules. If
53:43
it's like an LA type card, there's only be one of If it's a
53:46
JR type card, they'll be only one of those two cards I don't think
53:49
are in the set, But either way, if they had restrictions like that,
53:53
they would be applied per the normal algorithm standard rules. They are then
54:00
generated just like any other deck. They have an archive image, they have
54:05
a deck list, they have a QR code that is cannibal into a tournament
54:09
event. Um. What the curated part comes where there are certain things that
54:15
never existed before that are supposed to create new and interesting combos because it in
54:22
and of itself is considered its own set, which is a master vault set.
54:30
Um, and that's what it is. Vault Master, Vault Master.
54:36
Thank you. Yeah, you're gonna replace place, replace walkbot here. Yeah,
54:39
well you went, you went a little walk sat there for a second,
54:43
at least on my end. But um, This obviously grants a little
54:47
bit of controversy because why everyone exclusivity not everybody. I didn't say that part,
54:57
like I said what it is? Are like JR? I said what
55:01
it is JR. What's unique about these types of decks as far as the
55:06
acquiring them? The only way to be able to get them is to attend
55:10
a vault to where and you'll get one in the goodie bag and then you're
55:15
going to go ahead and we had the chance to purchase one. That is
55:20
how it has been described so far. So anyone who didn't go to the
55:22
vault Tour Philly has a chance if someone posts it in the secondary market.
55:30
But frankly, there's just it's a very very exclusive item, and so that
55:36
bothered individuals because now all of a sudden it is tournament worthy and it is
55:42
exclusive, so that limits other people. Vault hold on tournament legal, not
55:47
tournament worthy. These there are two different terms here. Term yes, yes,
55:54
legal, all right, they are legal to play in a tournament just
55:59
like any other what a whole other story. But yeah, I'm still getting
56:05
caught up on sleep. That was twelve hours across three days by But then
56:10
the question becomes is it good for the game. Well, there are definitely
56:19
people freaking out about this, ye uh, like the l everybody that's internationals
56:27
freaking out. Yeah, just to be clear to our audience and also be
56:31
fair, like the internationals have the most to freak out about. Yeah,
56:35
yeah, I think I think that's fair. Freak out is a little more
56:37
fair than state side oblivious some of the stuff that's going on internationally. We
56:43
do care for our keyboards, like Breadthren across the seas. We we wanted
56:47
them very much to have five vaults, not two, um, which I
56:52
guess not even that's not even on our list to talk about. No,
56:54
and at that and at that point realize that no vault had been sent up
57:00
for yes, and they just news because this news all came out Friday online
57:05
like they Jeremy gave his little speel about what they were and the internet went
57:10
on fire immediately, like they weren't even talking about a vault anymore. It's
57:15
like there's just crazy blah blah blah blah blah. Well, I think we
57:20
failed to mention that there was a deck vault Master deck, which is open
57:22
that as a prospective one hundred and five sas. But that wasn't the first
57:28
one on Friday. The first one on Friday was like the decks pod,
57:32
Like if you broke it up, the pods weren't all great, but it
57:36
had one like bonkers logos pod that was insanely good. Then that's all that
57:42
people seen. That was literally the first image online and the rest of the
57:46
deck was not great. It was not competitive. It's just is what it
57:51
is. But like the logos pot a loon, it was probably if it
57:54
were broken down into pod ranks, would be one of the better pods people
58:00
see. Like, it was just really good. So for Alliance purposes,
58:04
which this is able to be brought in for Alliance, Yeah, that's where
58:09
some of the concern came from. Well, except it's only Alliance with its
58:14
own set, correct, you would you would have to be able to have
58:16
Vault Master, which again is a very limited deck pool. Very Yeah.
58:22
I would just like to say, like, I know, everybody keeps saying
58:24
exclusive and they are exclusively available at Vault tours, but really what it is
58:32
is they're just ridiculously expensive, right, because you have to pay a bunch
58:36
of money to travel to a Vault tour and then pay fifteen dollars a deck
58:39
to get them. It's not that people can't have them from any country,
58:44
it's just that they're not reasonably priced right when you think about the cost it
58:49
takes to actually get one, And my gut really says that the cost to
58:53
get them isn't going to make them work, Like it is definitely not worth
58:58
going to Vault Tours just for these. And I what I first opened mine
59:06
and like realized and comprehended what it was. I wasn't sure what to think
59:14
about it. My initial reactions like, oh, I don't m not,
59:20
I'm not sure if this is a good idea or not. I like I
59:25
knew right away there's gonna be people upset about this. But I also want
59:31
GG to be able to get some good revenue off of a product that they're
59:38
making and have interesting creative ways to make different things that folks will want and
59:45
that I'll want. Um. I definitely have a little trepidation around is this
59:52
gonna be um you know, more powerful set and then therefore are really the
1:00:00
set you're gonna want and it lessens the other stuff. I don't know that
1:00:07
that is what's happening. I think it's too early to tell, but definitely
1:00:13
there's a lot of people out there throwing fireballs saying that that is what's happening,
1:00:17
and there's concern. There's concern. Well, I think people need to
1:00:23
remember that this is an algorithmically generated game. Like even if the card pool
1:00:30
was like one standard division better than the other card pools, the likelihood that
1:00:37
you're going to get some bonkers deck is just stupid low, especially at the
1:00:45
numbers, Like so we're estimated there were like one hundred and thirty people there.
1:00:49
That means there's two hundred and sixty of these decks in circulation right now,
1:00:52
meaning that other than the one that we saw there, that probably is
1:00:58
the one and only playable like arc on deck in the whole pool at most.
1:01:04
And even the deck though like people were freaking out about like today,
1:01:07
is it's good. I'm not gonna say it's not. But there's a really
1:01:13
good chance that that deck would not have made top eight, and then you
1:01:17
just have just the same that the rest the people had decks that did make
1:01:22
top eight. Well, there's deck the Childish Vault Master of Nanma uh was
1:01:30
opened by a local of mine, and uh he showed it in the h
1:01:37
F s Forum and hfs started freaking out and going crazy the nice place and
1:01:45
key Forge people are like flipping out out and throw a chair. Yeah,
1:01:53
now here's I'll tell you from somebody from who is the outside looking in?
1:01:58
Right? So the overall is this good for the game, and it's to
1:02:06
be honest, it's neither good nor bad. Right, This is something we
1:02:09
asked for. This is something we've been talking about and putting something out there
1:02:14
that has coveted, wanted um gets people out of their homes and into playing
1:02:20
key Forge. This is technically what you asked for, what we've all been
1:02:24
asking for. Yeah, I was about to say, I've been asking for
1:02:28
something that's unique that you can only get an a vault for that people care
1:02:31
about. Sheep has two for a long long time, and this does check
1:02:37
those boxes. There a reason to go to a vault other than winning money,
1:02:45
because neither Sheep nor I care about any of the prizes on that list.
1:02:50
Yes they are helpful, but like we're not there for that, um,
1:02:54
other than like hold on, there's more. Um. So it does
1:03:01
check those boxes, right, yes, um, now again, and I
1:03:07
know what Sheep's already going to say, because yes, this is exclusive to
1:03:12
the people who went to vault tours, who can make it to vault tours,
1:03:15
who are able to get at vaults. Yes, my paychecks exclusive to
1:03:19
the people who went to work and got it. That's not how exclusive work.
1:03:23
Yeah, yeah, what do you mean? That's not how exclusive?
1:03:25
I mean, that's just not I mean, like it is, but it's
1:03:30
not truly. There is nothing in this thing that says you cannot have it.
1:03:37
It says you have to come to a bault. I mean anyone in
1:03:39
the world could have bought it for three hundred dollars that day. So and
1:03:45
then and there's there's the innert problem with it is the crazy markup. Now
1:03:49
it's you trying to recoup some money. Hold on, it's you trying to
1:03:53
recoup some money. Some of us get that. Most people are not going
1:03:57
to but it is exclusive, and there are problems, and they're having problems
1:04:01
in the past. But see, this is the problem I have with key
1:04:05
Ford in any other game that is like anywhere close to our level. Like
1:04:13
you just said, this is super exclusive, right. If I had a
1:04:15
comparable product in Magic to that deck that day, no one would have blinked
1:04:21
twice about me putting something up there that costs for three hundred dollars. Well,
1:04:25
because I got an exclusive here's the fab card that was gold cold foiled.
1:04:30
It would have been a thousand dollars. And you're again where problem key
1:04:35
forces. It's always comparing apples and oranges. If there was anod you like
1:04:41
to do too, I'm just saying, like, we need to value our
1:04:44
game more. But if it was, if it was a fab cold file,
1:04:47
it would have been a card that was also available at a non could
1:04:50
foiled version at a much more reasonable price. If it were Magic, this
1:04:56
would have been a card that was released in the set that maybe has different
1:04:59
arts. If this were Pokemon again, you know, special game. This
1:05:05
is the right. We've been asking for ways to find unique things to do
1:05:09
and they found one, and then there are people bitching about it. But
1:05:12
but the question is the good for the game as a whole. I think
1:05:16
the answer is yes, local play in local game stores where it becomes more
1:05:23
accessible to everyone. Mate, Like, I don't know whether they keep doing
1:05:26
it with this set or the other set. And they haven't even announced you
1:05:30
know, LGS plans yet, so we don't know what they're doing. I
1:05:32
don't know if they know that lgs exist, but they don't. But anyway,
1:05:36
what's l like? So I want to send us kids that have no
1:05:43
prizes? Yep. But the issues you're you're always going to have this same
1:05:47
issue, the same Torch and Pitchfork, the same Fireball issue. Whenever you
1:05:53
release something that is and again you keep saying, well, it's not exclusive.
1:05:56
You could buy it for me for this much that that it's exclusive.
1:06:00
Now that's not those people are going to like wine in Pitchfork and Fireball online.
1:06:06
But when it comes down to it, some of those same people are
1:06:10
now trying to go to more vaults because of this. Do you really believe
1:06:15
that? Yes, yes I don't. But so there are people talking about
1:06:21
on the discords on well I was, but now I'm probably gonna try.
1:06:27
Well, I'll go ahead and use their own look of card. And I
1:06:30
didn't talk to him about this, but Gig did not clearly express what was
1:06:33
going to be offered at the vaults, and so it wasn't enticing to him.
1:06:38
He has gone to vaults in the past, So we need to better
1:06:43
market what is available, what is exclusive. And yes, there are individuals
1:06:47
who will now come out in my opinion, The one thing that could have
1:06:51
been done is a better marketing from gig stating ahead of time you will get
1:06:58
one unique deck that is going to be from a soon to be created SATs
1:07:02
that is going to be tournament worthy or that will be tournament playable. Sorry
1:07:06
I keep using worthy, but tournament play that I agree. Where they dropped
1:07:12
the ball, that is where they dropped the ball, done so many other
1:07:15
things, like like why didn't they market this? This is going to be
1:07:18
a draw, Like we probably would have hit one fifty one sixty had people
1:07:21
known this prior to the day of right, Like like that's a thing that
1:07:28
they need to be aware of. Like they they are are they are trying
1:07:30
to do cool things. I think this is a cool thing. And I
1:07:33
actually like to prove my point about people going Dan and ewok mostly Dan through
1:07:40
a fit about not knowing that they had stuff at gen Coin to give away,
1:07:44
and it was the crapp he already had, yet he felt like he
1:07:49
missed out on this stuff he didn't want and said he probably would have gone
1:07:56
had he known it was there, and he doesn't give a shit about the
1:08:00
stuff he was wanting about not being a baguette had you told sheep they were
1:08:04
gonna have this deck at gen Con, he would have been to gin Con
1:08:08
for sure. I agree with that statement. I will also say in our
1:08:12
AC live chats you can see dead sink GG has shown that they can do
1:08:15
unique border treatments and custom names. Standard Wodex with a special VT treatment great,
1:08:20
or standard Wodex with names like blank of Philly VT also great. We
1:08:27
saw that we have had special stamps with FG, and that's I don't know.
1:08:33
I almost feel like that would have been potentially more of a collector item
1:08:39
from what's there, but that would have been like, well, the reason
1:08:42
the reason people are pissed about this one is because it's a specially curated set.
1:08:46
Now again, I think the other thing that people need to realize is
1:08:49
ninety nine point nine percent of these decks are going to be nothing burners,
1:08:54
They're gonna couple nines whatever. I think they're gonna go in your shredder.
1:08:59
Been right, unless like you're a mad collector and you're like trying to collect
1:09:02
all this stuff. This. Yeah, I sold one. I did sell
1:09:08
the one online. I sold her for three hundred dollars. I did not
1:09:11
open and by the way, for the two whatever's that said I did?
1:09:14
I walked straight for somebody. Yeah, I walked straight from the table and
1:09:17
I took a picture. If you haven't seen the videos about how these things
1:09:20
are packaged, they are man handled by like monkeys, so like, wow,
1:09:27
I took it from them. I took a picture. I put it
1:09:30
in my bag. Jeremy's did not open this deck. I don't open sealed
1:09:35
product. I'm famous for this, um, well not just that whatever.
1:09:41
Anyway, the other one I opened to play a sealed game of Master of
1:09:46
Vault Masters with Michael Hurley. I had a great time. It was fun.
1:09:50
The deck sucked like it wasn't good. Um, there was not even
1:09:55
a pot in it that was redeemable. I was so good. I gave
1:09:58
it to Wookie. But that's key for its like it doesn't like it basically
1:10:02
does not matter what the card pool is. You could actually put all just
1:10:06
eight to your cards in there and it's still gonna generate garbage decks because the
1:10:11
algorithm it's not seeing, hey, put your time traveler with face shift into
1:10:16
you know, like hecatom and soul stuff. It's not doing that. It's
1:10:19
saying grab cards, that is it. It is not intelligently designed in that
1:10:25
way. So there's even if you have the best card pool in the game,
1:10:30
if you only have two hundred and fifty two decks, almost all of
1:10:33
them are going to suck comparable to anything that made Top eight. If you
1:10:39
have all the best cards in all the game, I think there's going to
1:10:42
be a larger portion of them that are going to be pretty decent. Even
1:10:45
at two fifty. They're not like you. It would be a statistically,
1:10:50
it would be a statistical anomaly for one out of two fifty to be a
1:10:55
top eight cut worthy deck. And so what's making the top eight cuts in?
1:11:00
And with the cards in there, right, it's lacking a few certain
1:11:03
things that will make it struggle into will Yes, well that's another thing,
1:11:09
like we haven't talked about. These decks don't have tokens. Tokens are the
1:11:14
future of key Forge. You're going to go to vents at some point in
1:11:16
time. Some of them it's going to be like half tokens. No,
1:11:19
they don't. Okay, So all the ones I'm seeing on the okay that
1:11:24
come are not token not master's jokes. If you're seeing a deck with a
1:11:28
token, okay, mine as volcano though, so I can handle token.
1:11:32
Yeah, yeah, like there's a let's reprint volcano because yeah, and again
1:11:38
Genia's card. Maybe we should go hid in state. If you're looking for
1:11:42
vaults, there are two key words that should show up in all of our
1:11:45
Vault Master series, and that is vaults and Master's right, well, or
1:11:55
it's not necessarily they will have either vaults or master. They might have both.
1:12:00
Okay about Master decks. Um, do I think they're personally good for
1:12:09
the game? No? I do not. Um will it end up being
1:12:12
a nothing burger? More than likely? That's that's how I feel. On
1:12:16
about it. Again, I've I've talked till I'm blue in the face,
1:12:21
and people don't understand, Like is it good? No, because once you
1:12:27
put in a level of exclusivity, whether you want to believe it's exclusive or
1:12:30
not, once you put in a level of exclusivity, you're going to lose
1:12:33
a chunk of your player base, period, end of story. It's been
1:12:38
done, it's been tried, it has failed multiple times over and over again.
1:12:43
Whether you want to say the player base goodbye, well, that's rough
1:12:48
in a game struggling you say that, But I think that you are going
1:12:56
to lose a percentage of the player base. I think to gain more than
1:13:00
they lose for the future audience of our game. I think that we need
1:13:04
to communicate ahead of time that this is going to be available. We need
1:13:09
to peak people's interests, and I like anything that's going to bring more individuals
1:13:13
out to our vaults. Frankly, right now, there is a huge cost
1:13:15
to be able to go to the vaults, especially if you're traveling and you're
1:13:18
not local to that area. So I think that it is good. I
1:13:25
think that they needed to do better marketing and let people know ahead of time.
1:13:28
That's where I stand, Like, I pretty much agree with what does
1:13:30
think just said in our chat. If she's a live chat, Yeah,
1:13:33
they are saying, I don't know if it's he or she. I will
1:13:36
say, though, despite I think it needs them fine tuning. I do,
1:13:40
and all caps appreciate gig is experimenting and trying new stuff. I think
1:13:44
they can get it to a happy place eventually. Like that is where I
1:13:46
am with this endeavor. We've said we want stuff that's unique, interested in
1:13:50
engaging to the community that we care about. They are providing that to the
1:13:55
people. They're going to vaults and gig wants people to go to vaults,
1:14:00
and again we don't know what it is. Right, they need to also
1:14:03
do this at the local level, because the local level is what makes the
1:14:08
world run round. Yes, you can't hope they like I hope there's something
1:14:15
that vault master. It would have to be something different, but something interesting,
1:14:17
something exciting that they can give out that will drive people to the stores.
1:14:25
Replaced one card in the vault master pool. Yeah, I mean,
1:14:30
but something that locals, right, because like I mean, we showed up
1:14:34
this week. It was me and my daughter, Dan and Ewak. It
1:14:39
was just four of us. Again, I don't know where all the other
1:14:41
people went, but like you know, it was there. They need to
1:14:45
drive people into the stores. I don't have a problem with gig is saying
1:14:48
I need to make a profit, which I know is I don't remember who
1:14:51
posted the argument, it was Ze or Dan me, But the problem is
1:14:56
that you got to do it at the smaller level. You can't just do
1:14:58
it at the top end. Yeah, yeah, I think it has.
1:15:01
This has to be and it based on what they've said for this. It
1:15:05
shouldn't be this, but it should be something else. Be fair. We
1:15:09
don't know, like they might have this for week already that we don't know
1:15:15
what it is, so we need to catch like bash them for the well
1:15:20
we can't, but anyway, we don't know. We'll get into the gashing
1:15:25
here in a minute. Um uh stick around, Um all right, So
1:15:31
sealed tournament only went three rounds. Prize prizes were unknown because they were on
1:15:38
a palette on a on a train. Huh yeah, yeah, So we
1:15:42
don't know if it was a bunch of decks. We don't know, if
1:15:45
it was something special. We don't know if there was like a prize wall
1:15:47
you gotta pick from, like, we don't we don't know any of us
1:15:51
actually go three zero in this event. I went one too, So I
1:15:57
went Uh, I went to one. I actually I actually really liked what
1:16:02
I had. I was a little sad to to not be able to go
1:16:08
the whole thing because I feel like I had a shot at recovering from that
1:16:14
loss against a very very strong deck, and I would have liked to see
1:16:19
how far how far I could have gone with my sixty something uh decks that
1:16:28
put together. Um, but there's just a lot of fun cards in will
1:16:30
that you can take advantage of so I was. I was loving it.
1:16:35
So we have no idea what those prizes are still, but I can't confirm
1:16:40
that everyone well, I mean I don't know if everyone got them, but
1:16:44
the people were getting their emails today that email came. I got one because
1:16:47
it wasn't for this event. I got one for something else later. Um
1:16:51
J Jr. Should have got one today, two for the same things and
1:16:58
I won a raffle. We did nothing really to get that. We would
1:17:01
just want to wrap. I want to stealed pod. So I got an
1:17:06
email for that. And none of us know what these prizes are. We
1:17:10
all just got an email from the new jobs. You're all getting fuzzy.
1:17:14
Yeah, maybe more fuzzy from my army. So the prize that was one,
1:17:20
I don't know what it is, but it was one not just random,
1:17:25
but by going ahead and doing the mixer. The mixer was that you
1:17:28
would go and basically bring a deck and one of the three houses from your
1:17:31
opponent's deck had to match one of the icons for the houses on the sheet.
1:17:35
And then there was six odds icons from random and you turn that in
1:17:41
and that's what we drew in order to get some prize. It was like
1:17:45
a little mixer type like icebreaker thing, and it was I had fun with
1:17:50
it. Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoyed. Right. It
1:17:55
wasn't as engaging or as fun as like the Unchained event from KFC that I
1:17:59
was looking forward to doing again, but it was also a fun I think
1:18:02
this was part of their pivot when they realized the palette wasn't there like it.
1:18:06
I do feel like they printed those out, like in the six hours,
1:18:11
Jeremy had to scramble, so I think I think that was a good
1:18:15
distractor because that's what we were doing while we were waiting from three to six
1:18:18
for the product or arrived. Um, and I had a good time during
1:18:21
then. I played some people that I might not have played, especially because
1:18:26
you had to do certain houses. I definitely played some decks that I was
1:18:29
probably not going to play because like my opponents need certain decks. I'm gonna
1:18:32
had a good time. It was fun playing key for were just fun shocking
1:18:35
all right. Um, we have a new tournament software as well that we
1:18:41
did a positive So tell us a little bit about the tournament software. You
1:18:46
guys got to endure. I mean, see, well, Chris, you
1:18:51
want to do this like you're you're dev like, what was it from your
1:18:54
lens as a person that does Yeah, the name of his play style with
1:18:59
an I And it was a very very it was very just smooth user experience.
1:19:03
All you had to do is just sign in with your was a keybringer
1:19:08
account yep, and then that just tied you right into your bracket for the
1:19:11
day, and all you had to do there's no information about who is placed
1:19:15
where, but you just refreshed the page and it would tell you what table
1:19:17
you're at, who you're facing, and how much time was left. And
1:19:21
once the rounds started, you're able to report right in the app the results
1:19:26
and you could leave like it the round seem to be time through the app,
1:19:29
so if you like left your phone up, you could actually use it
1:19:31
as a timer for the pairing. Yet depending on your phone settings. As
1:19:34
far as like it going to sleep and all that now, I was kind
1:19:39
of neat. I think the only negative was that like they used the same
1:19:45
term for while you're waiting to be paired as when you got up by and
1:19:51
I think that's one of the things that's just early, Like this is brand
1:19:55
new software, so like you would see TBD as in like to be decided
1:20:00
during the pairing window when the software was pairing the next round. But you
1:20:03
would also see that acronym if you received a buy for the current round,
1:20:11
So like, had you probably you? Probably? We haven't talked about the
1:20:15
tournament. For me, I feel like I've times happening, but I'm just
1:20:24
yelling at a brick ball sometimes just a website. Just a website, and
1:20:30
two thumbs up for me. It's a very nice looking, very sleek,
1:20:33
and it worked well. I didn't hear of any issues of site functionality itself.
1:20:38
It wasn't like dropping you out either, because like some software that's doing
1:20:41
like that, like even like the old master ball would log you out here
1:20:45
and it was a real app and I never got locked. I would mean
1:20:47
it would do that sometimes, but like as soon as I clicked to go
1:20:51
back in it, it remembered everything and logged me back in immediately. Um,
1:20:56
drazz, you're also in the deav world. Any any other feedback to
1:20:59
add to Chris? So yeah, no, I thought I thought it was
1:21:01
good. The uh, the thing I noticed right away and then we had
1:21:06
a conversation about it, was that it was great at telling you where to
1:21:12
go where to be and was very clear. Um, now the thing it
1:21:16
didn't have, which turned out was on purpose. Why yeah, it was
1:21:24
an actual view of the bracket. So people were online, we're chatting,
1:21:30
and we're asking like, hey, where's the bracket. We want to see
1:21:33
how folks are doing. What's going on? Right, And so I was
1:21:36
like, yeah, like we should be able to see that, and we
1:21:40
should be able to have people follow along. But like a Z, you
1:21:44
were explaining why that's not a good idea. So so like in a in
1:21:46
a double elimination bracket, if you see the full bracket, you know who
1:21:50
feeds into who. Um, again, this shouldn't be double elimination, but
1:21:55
it is. So like if I go let's say three zero, and then
1:22:00
I lose my fourth game, I am now in the loser's bracket, but
1:22:04
I'm not going to play until like round eight. All of the losers are
1:22:10
still fit fighting through round four or five, six, seven, eight,
1:22:13
I could if I saw the bracket in live time, I know exactly who
1:22:17
feeds to me. I could literally go like spectating is still allowed and a
1:22:23
legal thing to do. I could then go watch my opponents as they slowly
1:22:28
one game at a time for the next four hours, feed into the bracket
1:22:31
where they will eventually play me. And I don't know, like people that
1:22:36
are played a lot of key for understand how much data that actually is.
1:22:42
Like, hey, I didn't think that that combination cards led to that line
1:22:45
or this person came back three keys to zero or two keys to zero.
1:22:50
Using this method like that is a huge advantage as first of all, you're
1:22:55
fresh, and like maybe like there's a chance just watching your opponent them,
1:23:00
knowing you're watching them for that long, we'll tilt them in your game.
1:23:02
So like, they definitely did the right thing there. I mean, in
1:23:08
the end, it just shouldn't be in that format. But anyway, like,
1:23:12
if it is in that format, you definitely do not want everyone knowing
1:23:15
the bracket because of everything I just said it is that would definitely be an
1:23:21
additional negative play experience on top of what was already going on during the event.
1:23:27
As far as the format goes, I will say, well, you
1:23:30
guys didn't see play style go down when they started round number two. Play
1:23:34
style did go down, but they had the dev team on it right away
1:23:40
and it was fixed within a couple of minutes, So awesome job. On
1:23:44
that. I mean again, if you didn't have a buy in round two,
1:23:46
you never would have known it. But it did go ahead and freeze
1:23:50
up, and it basically sent a white screen. We talked there a couple
1:23:54
of us who are like, hey, what's happening, But great job getting
1:23:57
fixed right away. We moved on and the rest of super quick. I
1:24:00
didn't even see it. It was, And honestly, the rest of the
1:24:03
tournament was super smooth. So I really enjoyed that. All right, getting
1:24:09
the day two. Day two is the O will you missed the Draft Cours,
1:24:14
We will do the draft coar experience on a arcons after dark? What
1:24:18
what? Yeah? We are moving on to day two. So event main
1:24:26
events we have Alliance and ARCon. We were told to get there at nine
1:24:31
for a ten o'clock start. Nine was to register everybody. You guys start
1:24:35
at ten. No oh yeah, thankfully not to their credit though they were
1:24:43
actually trying and had had the like this was the Had they not done their
1:24:48
sales at that moment, which was kind of weird, I guess um,
1:24:55
we would have started at ten, to be honest, like or anybody had
1:24:59
won to play Alliance, they also would have started on our actual arc online
1:25:03
because that's one of the things I was looking for because like you know,
1:25:06
maybe one day I would run an event for GG. I will never run
1:25:12
a double elimination vent. So like that is just off the table if that
1:25:15
doesn't change. So um. But anyway, like they did get through that
1:25:19
line, both of them, Arkon and Alliance buy ten o'clock. We could
1:25:24
have started at ten o'clock. But anyway, but you didn't so well because
1:25:30
they were doing because okay, so they gave us a cup on or ticket
1:25:34
or whatever, a little card that we could take that card to a purchase
1:25:39
table. They again they brought other products and boxes off of a plane because
1:25:44
their palette still never never showed up. They where they were total was going
1:25:46
to arrive on Monday, so they rediverted it back to many UM. So
1:25:51
with the card, you could buy three wodeck sealed, one unchained sealed in
1:25:57
one more Masterbault deck se um. So that's what everyone was doing because they're
1:26:02
running to get their Master of Ball deck. So like they didn't start the
1:26:05
event until everyone went through the pay line, and the pay line was actually
1:26:09
kind of slow. Um. But that's this point of sale, Like there's
1:26:13
there's not much you can do about well, no date. So I don't
1:26:15
know if you noticed they had to type in their credit card numbers because the
1:26:21
swiper, the swiper attachment for I was like was on the palette person um
1:26:29
oh yeah, yeah, like it was a little oh yeah yeah, it
1:26:30
was low um. And then towards the end they ran out of cash as
1:26:36
well change. Oh who was using cash? Well, when you're swipers busted
1:26:46
again. I think this was intended to be and this is hypothesis, but
1:26:49
this was intended to be given out on Friday. They just didn't have things
1:26:53
ready to go, and so they did get us once once the product showed
1:26:57
up, they got us going with the sealed right away. And I think
1:27:00
they made the best of it for Saturday of okay, people are here,
1:27:03
now you can get your decks. It sloaded up a little bit, but
1:27:06
it was not a big deal. Honestly, that was not my main concern
1:27:10
for the day. No, yeah, all right, predictions, let's get
1:27:15
into our predictions. So we already went through the total ARCon An alliance.
1:27:23
We didn't I'm gonna guess we didn't get numbers yet. No, I don't
1:27:27
think they really did anything they might share us with the numbers, but once
1:27:31
we get numbers, then we can go back to the predictions. But we
1:27:33
don't have anything else for that okay um and that okay so tournament format.
1:27:40
So the double elimination format is a thing that it doesn't seem like ninety percent
1:27:46
of the people, like I know at one person that was a fan of
1:27:56
it, if you could say fan, they're actually probably in our chat right
1:27:59
now that memory. Body else I talked to had the exact reaction. I
1:28:06
was expecting that we I had talked about the last I don't know nine months
1:28:12
now, and I actually had some individuals who had some very big visceral reactions,
1:28:19
Like I had someone who was straight up on tilt that I had to
1:28:23
talk down and that shouldn't be the task when you're starting a game. But
1:28:28
it was just based on the fact of double elimination and needing to wait,
1:28:32
and that doesn't even count with my situation. I did go ahead and play
1:28:39
Jupiter first round. Great guy loved being a play and I took a loss,
1:28:43
and that is extremely difficult to take a loss there in game one.
1:28:46
So I ended up sitting for a buy, then lunch and another BUYE,
1:28:50
which equated to We finished the game with Jupiter and myself at eleven thirty nine
1:28:56
in the morning, and I did not play my second game until three nineteen
1:29:01
in the afternoon. Woof, that is it's I'm there to play key Forge.
1:29:11
Everyone else is there to play key Forge, and to play key Forge.
1:29:15
I did play a lot of money. We didn't know what to do.
1:29:18
You're in the waiting period. I didn't know that I had a double
1:29:21
buy until we had come back from lunch, which honestly, we were having
1:29:28
some issues with lunch that I honestly posted and like, hey, I'm just
1:29:31
I'm already out. It's such a long gauntlet. Maybe I just won't even
1:29:34
go ahead and play. So if my food's here, I'll ride back with
1:29:39
Corey. And then it ended up we got the food, we make it
1:29:43
back just in time. Draft score is racing to get there and I show
1:29:46
up and it says TBD, and again I don't know if it's to be
1:29:49
determined, and we're there. It was the same for the buy, but
1:29:54
there was a lot of stress at that moment, and so under this scenario,
1:30:00
it it really really hurt. Not only did it hurt, but I
1:30:03
saw as when we finished the first round. There were a number of individuals
1:30:08
who had taken a buy in the first round. That's just with the seating,
1:30:13
but everyone who lost all sat and it wasn't at fifty percent, but
1:30:17
it was pretty close to fifty percent. That now you just have half the
1:30:20
people who are sitting there waiting and we can't play it. We can't play
1:30:25
a side events, we can't go ahead. You could potentially do something casual,
1:30:30
but you don't know if you can start casual, if you're going to
1:30:31
be able to finish it in time. The communication was necessary, but it's
1:30:36
just you're thinking about your game. You're thinking about okay if I go too.
1:30:40
I'm just straight up out. There's a lot of thought process that's going
1:30:43
into it. And for someone who, frankly, at other Vault Tours has
1:30:47
been on the bottom, there's been a lot of joy for us just playing.
1:30:51
We're gonna we know we're playing the next round. Okay, I want
1:30:55
O two, I want oh three, I'm still playing. Here At Philly,
1:31:00
I saw more dejected looks and looks of depression than I've ever seen because
1:31:04
people were just sitting around waiting, and one of the worst things for humans
1:31:10
is just to wait and not know what's going to happen and when. So
1:31:15
for me, that is why this double elimination and call back. We need
1:31:19
to provide feedback. We need to be very very consistent this it's just not
1:31:27
fun. You're sitting and waiting. And I had a very different experience as
1:31:30
we went through. And then I played from three to nineteen until eleven o'clock
1:31:33
at night, so I didn't have dinner, I didn't have food, feeling
1:31:40
absolutely worn out from playing all of those games because it is you don't make
1:31:45
a mistake otherwise you're just straight up out. I don't think it was I
1:31:50
don't think that's good for our game in order to bring out the best players
1:31:55
playing the best ax. Yeah, it was awkward too, because like I
1:31:59
kind of wanting to go over to you between a match and be like,
1:32:01
hey, how's it going, how are you doing? But like I also
1:32:05
didn't want to go over and like how you look at me. It'd be
1:32:12
like, oh, all you guys would go off and be drinking right now
1:32:16
if I wasn't the one person still in it. So it was like weird
1:32:20
and awkward to like, but dress you say you say that that was under
1:32:26
my thought the whole time. I'm holding everyone else up, man, because
1:32:30
I didn't watch to think that, Like, wasn't you. I know that,
1:32:34
and I want to be able to try and make Day two. So
1:32:36
I'm pushing. I'm trying to do what's right. I mean Jupiter's deck,
1:32:41
it was a great matchup. It was super close. It was a call
1:32:44
on one card. It happens, he played it really well. That's key
1:32:48
forge. But to have to have that grueling gauntlet where I now have to
1:32:54
turn around and we had two buys, but then I need to play the
1:32:58
next seven games and win all of them to make Day two. Yeah,
1:33:02
like one of the things that I like. Again, we've said like if
1:33:04
you had an issue, if you were there, hell, even if you
1:33:08
weren't there and you don't want to experience what we're talking about, you could
1:33:11
fill out their contact for him and say like, hey, I'm interested in
1:33:14
coming to a vault, but I hear the double elimination like it's a ten
1:33:18
round scenario where it will last fourteen potential hours. I don't want to play
1:33:25
in that. Submit that to GG. There is one person that our community
1:33:29
needs to convince the person that owns the company, so we need to all
1:33:32
submit that. And like to make our point really really clear, is this
1:33:36
you Walk played the best keyboards I've ever seen him play and is like the
1:33:41
entire sent of keyboards that I've known him. And at the start of round
1:33:46
ten before he played that game on round at the end of round nine of
1:33:51
an event that started at nine am, because that's when we need to be
1:33:55
there for registration, so somewhere around ninety so we'd already been there twelve and
1:34:00
a half hours. Ewok was six in one in an insanely good field in
1:34:09
any way you look at it. He deserved to be top cut whatever in
1:34:15
any game I know of that is even remotely comparable to the game we play.
1:34:18
He deserved to be top cut by far more than me and even Sheep
1:34:24
did because the amount and how well he played for the duration he played it,
1:34:28
neither of us did that. And yet he then had to play one
1:34:31
more round. He had done amazing all day, he finally hit his wall,
1:34:38
and due to play mistakes, not like deck versus deck, like I
1:34:41
think like we talked through what happened that round because I was I saw the
1:34:45
tourney. We were talking about and he just swiffed like he just didn't have
1:34:48
the capacity to do it anymore because he'd played more keywords than his opponent because
1:34:54
his stipponent lost on a much later round, so he had to play less
1:34:59
games than jr did. And that is not okay, it's just not I
1:35:04
think we're gonna go into double elimination on our rant and all that stuff.
1:35:11
Maybe next week's episode. I do think it weren'ts more talking this. There's
1:35:17
lots of stuff, So we'll get some notes together and we'll kind of go
1:35:20
from there on that. Let's move into how did they see do zee?
1:35:26
How did you do? On day one? I had a very different experience
1:35:30
than you walk, So again like this, we'll talk about the details did
1:35:35
it? But we had ninety nine players, which if you take ninety nine
1:35:40
and subtract from sixty four you get thirty two, right, Like, no,
1:35:45
that's not right, you get thirty five. So like seventy people have
1:35:48
to play to make to move to round two, So that means twenty nine
1:35:54
out of the ninety nine have to have a buy round one of the event.
1:35:58
So while jr Um loses to Jupiter, overall there on a fleet I
1:36:04
had ap ply like I I avoid any possibility that I had to play the
1:36:11
next eight games in a row to make top cut, and I just I
1:36:15
just kind of chilled. I like played around, like I shuffled my deck
1:36:18
some. I did some gold fishing. I had talked to Jason at some
1:36:21
point I started walking around to see who else did fine, and read about
1:36:25
to other people that had buys. We had a good old time, um
1:36:29
and then I won four games in a row. Lots of great matches there.
1:36:33
The field was super tough, and I made day two. So with
1:36:39
just playing four games a key forge, I think I was done around three
1:36:43
something maybe four. Beet beep, you're a sheep? How did you do
1:36:48
with? How did how did fraud? Fraud? Did horrible? I did
1:36:57
fine? This is actually true. I did go five on day one,
1:37:04
really tough matchups. Going into game five, I had played my yeah this
1:37:13
is fraud double battle Fleet deck with library access. I had played five key
1:37:18
or five battle fleets throughout four games. I'd only played battle Fleet five times.
1:37:25
I think I'd looked at sixteen cards off of those five battle fleets,
1:37:29
and only three of them were Mars cards. That's how the day had been
1:37:32
going like and I'd only played Library Access once. Also in those four games,
1:37:38
I believe there was no efficiency going on in fraud, but it just
1:37:44
has so many pips, and I kept archiving my international graft on reasonably big
1:37:51
logost turns that I would get people to go big and let me ig and
1:37:57
keep myself in the game. But it was a fraud. Was not playing
1:38:00
very fraud like, but it was. I knew how to play normal key
1:38:04
for US. I did the rest of US value fraud. All right,
1:38:12
Draft cor, how did you do about it? Do not skip the first
1:38:21
matchup? Be all right? So listen, we all just want to hear
1:38:25
about how you lost to a nine year old playing DT. Yeah. Oh,
1:38:30
you're the real joke show around here. So so so here's how it
1:38:33
went. So I I sit down at my table and there's there's like a
1:38:39
kid, you know, cross from me, um, a nine year old
1:38:44
kid. I was like, all right, so I'm like talking with him
1:38:47
and uh you know he uh. I was like, oh, we you
1:38:55
know, we trade our concrds. Oh yeah yeah, So you know,
1:38:59
kid, it's a little nervous, right, that's fine. I'm like,
1:39:01
okay, it's DT looking through. I'm like, all right, you know,
1:39:06
actually this seems like a pretty pretty DEAs and deck. Right. Um,
1:39:13
it's got triple Chelonia with lots of ways to get creatures on the field.
1:39:19
It's got um most importantly, it's got final analysis, it's got thinked
1:39:27
twice, and it's got data forage. I'm like, okay, okay,
1:39:31
get all a bunch of guys in the field, final analysis, data forage,
1:39:35
thinks twice, data Forage. That's that's what this deck is, right,
1:39:39
I'm on Galaxy. I just gotta go fast and I'll be fine.
1:39:43
No no scaling ember right, no submersive principle. Um, So here we
1:39:49
go. Well, so this kid plays this this deck very well and was
1:39:58
focused. I I'm not even sure he really looked at what I was doing
1:40:02
much at all. He was super focused on what he was doing. And
1:40:08
it was pretty clear that he had played this deck a lot. And actually
1:40:13
I found out later that yes, this kid has played this deck hundreds and
1:40:16
hundreds of times, and so yes, yes and so oh yeah by many
1:40:25
many times. And so I'm like I'm going, I'm like, okay,
1:40:30
I just need to burst. I just need to burst as long as I
1:40:31
burst in time. I'm fine. And so finally get my big burst and
1:40:39
I could make a million member and uh get to I get to check.
1:40:45
I got two keys. I've got I don't know how much ember it's at
1:40:48
least twelve maybe eighteen number uh and there's there's right no way he can take
1:40:57
me off. UM. So I've been looking for or my Gateway because I
1:41:00
know if I play my Gateway clears board, UM, then I win.
1:41:06
And I'm looking over to his deck is his drop pile? I like,
1:41:10
it's mighty mighty low right if he um and and his UM data forge was
1:41:17
already his discard, so if he flips like, I'm good. So kid
1:41:23
calls Star Alliance and starts putting down some uh um creature it's in his hand,
1:41:31
and then like his eyes go wide and he's like start shaking. I'm
1:41:36
like, are you okay? And he's like, that's that's that's not what
1:41:42
I meant. And I'm like, okay, okay, that's that's okay,
1:41:45
that's all right, that's all right. Like still got your hand on the
1:41:48
card. It's fine. So he takes it back and he goes the logos,
1:41:54
he goes into his cycleic goes into uh final analysis. He he clears
1:42:00
his board, he draws cards, He draws the exact number of cards left
1:42:06
in his deck, and then he plays his thing twice to data forge with
1:42:11
exactly the right number of ember and the right number of cards in hand.
1:42:16
The key cheat and win and I lose. And this kid's dad comes over
1:42:23
and he's so excited. He's like, this guy has a podcast. Oh
1:42:30
my gosh, like like the dad is like so excited, and I think
1:42:34
he realized, like, oh wait, maybe it wasn't a cool thing to
1:42:36
say, so he tries to be a little bit nice to me, like
1:42:40
it's it's cool. It's would have been like and I would and we would
1:42:44
have never have been here if it wasn't for nice guy's draft car letting your
1:42:46
kid take a shitty turn back table no, and and and it's and I
1:42:56
that kid played great except for that mistake. Bro. He he said,
1:43:02
you know, he started putting out a star alliance and um, other than
1:43:08
that, he played I think basically flawlessly. And uh and and he won
1:43:15
that game and uh and yes I let him have a TakeBack, but I
1:43:20
you know, nice kid drafts soutting in again all right, how did you
1:43:28
do? Well? We know, but well yeah, um, so I
1:43:32
started off facing good friends Jupiter um placing with fleets, Niggle tooth Bebham.
1:43:38
He is on Coda rush so triple hunting which triple dust pixie choda. Um
1:43:45
yeah, that's that's untamed right there, help from future self with time traveler
1:43:49
BDq um and he played that deck flawlessly. It has master plan and it
1:43:56
has hidden stash the main key turning point and Jupiter was very nice. He
1:44:00
let me take back one component, so it was again he was extremely generous.
1:44:05
However, I made a choice. I'm up on board. I fought
1:44:10
back from this pixie in hunting which untamed. That just goes off and I
1:44:16
have not seen dust pixies two and three. And at this point I finally
1:44:21
get to my in furnace. I have two of them, and conveniently they
1:44:26
both came together. And I thought about it for a half seconds. I
1:44:30
can play both, knowing that there's two that I haven't seen, or I
1:44:35
can hold onto one. I made the choice to play both because I had
1:44:40
board was just pushing to outrace him at that point, and Jupiter next turn
1:44:45
pulls back his archives and under the under the master plan was the other Pixie,
1:44:50
and his hidden stash was Pixie. So he pocketed him perfectly and burst
1:44:55
it up. I kept him off for a little bit, and then he
1:44:59
eventually a couple of turns later, he pushed a ten and there was nothing
1:45:01
I could do. Very very very well played eighteen expected amber thirty five,
1:45:06
sorry, eighteen printed amber expected of thirty five. So snagletooth, phenomenal deck,
1:45:12
and Jupiter actually made it all the way to that final tenth game as
1:45:15
well. So solid deck, seventy five arc eighty six SSS deck. It's
1:45:23
straight code of rush that's there after that big weight from eleventh ninety three nineteen.
1:45:29
I then faced a fourteen year old boy. This actually happens to be
1:45:32
Devin, his nephew, and Devin's fourteen no no, no no, his
1:45:39
nephew is ended up playing and shut out to Josiah. Josiah played very very
1:45:44
well. He was on aviators Coda Rush. So I see Coda rush again,
1:45:48
and this time we got three dust pixies, two do fairies. Nature's
1:45:51
called Choda along with disan logos, and so I'm just seeing Coda rush cod
1:45:58
to rush. Honestly, I think the game transitions that I had purged most
1:46:03
of the untamed I did hold on to my in furnace. I got them
1:46:09
both at the same time, and I held this time until I saw the
1:46:11
other dust Pixie, So maybe I learned a little bit there. But it
1:46:15
came down to in a rise that was in this deck, and Josiah chose
1:46:20
to pull back the logos at that point instead of going ahead and pulling his
1:46:29
diss, so that was really the difference. Game three, I played the
1:46:32
Tired Guy, which is a sorry tired guy, which is Andy p Online.
1:46:36
He's on MM steel and Triple Mark of dis and honestly, this game
1:46:42
just rolled to me. I felt a little bad, but it was three
1:46:45
keys to zero one Mark showed up and it got out of hand pretty pretty
1:46:51
pretty early. Game four, I played dominic H, who's coming all the
1:46:56
way down from Canada, so it was nice to see a number of the
1:46:58
Canadian individuals showing up. I will say, dominic I felt really bad about
1:47:03
this game. This like just like facing Josiah after that long break. I
1:47:10
probably wasn't in the best mood, but try to turn around. I could
1:47:13
see that you had just gotten back from serving I know that you were tired.
1:47:16
Your long break then also hurt. And so this is one of those
1:47:20
games that stood out to me and it was very unfortunate how it finished.
1:47:25
Dominic H was playing his code of Rush, so dust Pixie times two,
1:47:29
lost in the woods times duo and you played that really well where he threw
1:47:31
both dust pixies and lost in the woods and right away he has key chart.
1:47:40
YEP, looks like we lost. I was playing Smoke, so Smoke
1:47:46
is a tie deck and that did. Yeah, that did cause some issues
1:47:49
for some individuals, just because they may not be as familiar with the deck,
1:47:57
and that did slow it up a little bit. It ends up that
1:48:00
it came down to time, and time was called on dominic as he is
1:48:04
drawing and he is drawing four of the final five cards. He is sitting
1:48:09
at six amber and one of those final four cards that he draws is his
1:48:14
key charge. Um. But because of the ends time rules, us gets
1:48:19
really weird because there was a question that was asked, will you give us
1:48:25
an extra minute? That just puts me in a really, really really difficult
1:48:30
spot. Um. We both played under the same idea for the whole rest
1:48:33
of the game. UM. It is not a win for anyone, but
1:48:38
that that game will stick with me. UM, and I could see that
1:48:42
that really frustrated him as well. UM. I did have Garcia which was
1:48:46
the bottom card, and I had some nice um time card that remained,
1:48:54
and then Garcia to draw and I could keep him off of check and then
1:48:58
I want on tiebreaker and out or is it going in and out? Sounds
1:49:02
fine? Okay, I keep losing you every now and again. I'm not
1:49:06
sure why. Sorry man UM. Game number five after that that was a
1:49:11
really stress inducing game. UM. I then played our good Roger Shrubber or
1:49:15
Adam from AC so it was great to see him. And he was playing
1:49:19
Gideon, which is a Spanish deck. So actually throughout the tournament I ended
1:49:24
up facing a Spanish deck, I was playing tie deck, and I faced
1:49:27
an Italian deck. Um. This one went down three keys to one.
1:49:31
H Adam went ahead and said he got a pity key. Um, he
1:49:35
actually on my big giant board. UM. He played whistling darts to damage
1:49:42
everyone for one and then he came back the next turn for each damaged it
1:49:45
was a discard for each damaged creature misery exploit for nine UM and that's where
1:49:53
it finished. Game number six, I was on stream. Biggest misery exploit
1:49:58
I think I've ever heard of. It was. It was crazy, but
1:50:00
it was it was pretty funny, so we're I needed that laugh or two
1:50:04
after the previous game, so I appreciated that more than I can say Adam.
1:50:11
Game six was actually streamed, so that was my first ever stream game,
1:50:14
and I played Mujic online which was Marco, and Marco's actually a newer
1:50:18
key Forge player. He was on Woe, so this is my first time
1:50:21
playing in with Woe. It was a deck that he also opened up on
1:50:25
Friday, and as a Magic player, it was it was great to see
1:50:30
him, you know, playing key Forge kind of here. But this was
1:50:32
a pretty smoke handled it pretty easily. It was three zero m. I
1:50:39
did have a misplay, so I apologize to anyone online. And that's again
1:50:43
when you're playing a foreign language deck. I did bring it. I had
1:50:45
proxy deck. We used stickers instead of all having the printed enhancements, and
1:50:51
because of that they wouldn't allow it. So I played and I know exactly
1:50:59
what survey does. That individual Survey has amber pip, it has a damage
1:51:02
pip and you're drawing two cards and you're discarding one. I, however,
1:51:08
took the other card and I put it into my hand, which I then
1:51:11
promptly played online and on stream with Kirby, and so that was wrecked fight.
1:51:16
I'm glad that it was caught, but please know that was not done
1:51:19
purposely. But again, that's where some of those foreign language decks can become
1:51:23
very very tricky, is you've been playing for a while, you're going through
1:51:27
it, you just make one simple mistake. So I appreciate any help there
1:51:30
to catch that. But I ended up taking Magic three keys to a zero.
1:51:35
I then face quick draw. So Matt's from bottom of the beaker and
1:51:41
he was playing a double chain Gang game. So double Chain Gang deck,
1:51:45
super fun. I actually was really scared by this deck. I am creature
1:51:50
spam and he had double red alerts and triple unnatural selection and it was an
1:52:00
interesting match. But I ended up being able to take that game. And
1:52:03
then we already talked with Mike Funny, but I finally came back and played
1:52:09
Mike Funny. I jump out to a big lead, and I'm up first
1:52:13
key, I'm pushing for second key, and basically on the last ten minutes.
1:52:21
I absolutely faltered, and part of it was on a play. In
1:52:28
this individual case, I had Garcia that was out on the corner. Mike
1:52:33
was assigning a damage from his Robin attorney. He's like, I'm gonna go
1:52:38
He yeah, it doesn't matter. I'll point here and he pointed to Garcia.
1:52:44
Whether that was good sports with ship and like he purposely had it or
1:52:46
he didn't, I don't know. It seemed very odd. But he then
1:52:54
played weak Link, which is an unfathomable card. It is a rare.
1:52:57
This creature gains while this creature is exhausted. Your keys cost plus six.
1:53:02
And so when I called my next house, I went ahead and untapped UM.
1:53:14
I unexhausted at the end of the turn, and he was readying ready
1:53:19
my apologies, get a straight he were you even playing it? He had
1:53:27
used he had used figur ific rod in order to go ahead and to exhaust
1:53:30
it UM, and so I thought, hey, I just need to get
1:53:33
out. He has one ran to arrive that has left. That is his
1:53:36
amber control. I know that I just need to make sure I'm not going
1:53:40
above eight. We're good and time keeps doing duling down. We're looking he
1:53:45
is he has shuffled through his deck three times a lot of time. That
1:53:50
is there, Yes, that is that is pushing with those prospectors. Um,
1:53:56
however I missed. All right, hold on, I feel like it's
1:54:00
an opportunity to play a salt and pepper song. Here. Push it?
1:54:02
Oh, sorry, push it. The card that I admits, which I
1:54:06
had never seen in play was Phissiloa, which is a four power one armor
1:54:12
aquan unfathomable and it has two in hands damage pips. Damaged creatures do not
1:54:16
ready during the ready cards step. And this is big because my Garcia is
1:54:24
exhausted, which means my keys are going to cost twelve and I have to
1:54:28
get rid of it. I did have cards in my hand to do that.
1:54:30
However, I basically time walk because I had called Starlines and I missed
1:54:35
it. We had actually on exhausted it or readied it as people would say,
1:54:42
and it was pointed out, nope, that that needs to stay exhausted.
1:54:45
So after that turn, that's where I'm now a little bit on tilts,
1:54:48
thinking Okay, what can I do? I do come back and I
1:54:54
have my Locus cards to be able to get rid of Garcia, and then
1:55:01
Mike's going through. He's moving. He is now pushed. He's gotten his
1:55:04
first key, and he is pushed to about eight Amber. I'm sitting at
1:55:09
nine still. He did go ahead and ran to arrive me because I pushed
1:55:12
at ten for that Star Alliance turn to bump me all the way back to
1:55:15
five, and I am now not in control. We're looking at littlemite of
1:55:20
a time and I ask Marcus how much time has left, and he goes
1:55:25
a minute and thirty four seconds. At this point, Mike is still playing
1:55:30
his turn, so it gets to me. I call Star Alliance, go
1:55:34
reep, reep, reep, start to draw, and time is called.
1:55:39
I am drawing, and just like Dominic, who is in the same boats.
1:55:44
Now I knew exactly that pain because he was Dominic was drawing. If
1:55:47
Dominic gets one more time, one more turn, he wins the game on
1:55:50
the keychie. If I get one more turn, I win, doesn't matter.
1:55:55
I'm drawing. Mike comes back and he plays Timmy, which frankly didn't
1:56:00
really matter because it was end the time rules, but that kept from forging
1:56:03
keys. And then we checked for Amber and he has the chance to be
1:56:06
able to reap out because he gets to finish his turn. Difference of amber
1:56:13
very well. Played the bummer to see Woe make it in off of my
1:56:15
back, but it's nice to see Woe that was open to be able to
1:56:18
make it and it's it's a solid dock. It definitely do things. So
1:56:21
you're the reason Well made it, huh. I am one hundred percent the
1:56:26
reason Woe made it in and again it I played thirteen hours and fifteen minutes
1:56:32
worth of great key for us in the last ten minutes. The last ten
1:56:36
minutes is where I faltered, and it wasn't even all playing it, but
1:56:40
I honestly messed up weak link with Fissiloa and that's on me. But it's
1:56:46
just a real bummer that it goes to time, because if it doesn't go
1:56:49
to time, games different. But again, if it doesn't go to time,
1:56:54
I'm not there based on dominic So yeah, all right, short on
1:56:59
time only, how'd you do? I was oh two out, had two
1:57:03
scrappy matches against some in furnace decks, and two learning experiences on things I
1:57:10
would have done differently. The first game, I had a da Hills tempting
1:57:15
offered back to hand and I didn't want to play it. Because I want
1:57:16
to push up his key cost and let him forge with the faust. And
1:57:19
I should have just discarded those two cards gotten rid of it. Instead,
1:57:24
I held on to it for a few more turns, and I think that
1:57:28
ultimately slowed me down too much a number game. So barely lost that one.
1:57:32
And then on the second match I had a fatal fatal error I left.
1:57:38
There was one point I had left two board clears and the discard pile,
1:57:44
and they both got knocked out by in furnace and there was nothing I
1:57:46
could do to stop the board after that point against J. T. Russell,
1:57:50
and he uh got a pretty much got his whole deck into his hand.
1:57:57
About two great games, all right, wraps up day two. We
1:58:01
move into days well, day three, right, this is uh, this
1:58:04
is top cut day. Who made top cut? Sheep and me? I
1:58:11
think she might have gone to bed. Yeah, I haven't faughn afleep yet,
1:58:16
old man sheep is still around. Maybe she first sheep tell us about
1:58:21
your top cut? Well, so right, I went five on day one.
1:58:28
Fifth round was against Devin re flaming Hobo. I come back for day
1:58:32
two and I get paired against Devin. Feeling good, feeling saucy. Uh
1:58:40
no, no, because he is playing Minuity, which is also a double
1:58:44
Battlefleep Key Abduction that has a higher much higher high roll than fraud Um and
1:58:51
boyle boy did he high roll me? Is Deck did everything he wanted it
1:58:57
to do. He had a library access turn that actually put his hold Deck
1:59:01
into his hand, so the next day he could just go Battlefleet key Abduction,
1:59:04
Battleflee Key Abduction, Battleflee Key Abduction. Good game, right, So
1:59:10
that was that was what nim play key Forge. I mean I did make
1:59:15
enough amber for two keys, but it didn't matter. And so the way
1:59:19
it goes is at this point I think, yeah, I'm five and one
1:59:26
and Devin is he had a first round by so I think he's also five
1:59:32
and one at this point. But because I beat him in double limbs and
1:59:36
he beat me in single limbs, I'm out. That was the end of
1:59:41
me. It was a great game from Devin, like it is. The
1:59:44
format, nothing nothing wrong with that part of it outside of there were several
1:59:49
people who had to play the same people they played in the in the double
1:59:57
limb rounds because the way they're bracketing software, and like I was seed one
2:00:02
and Devin because of where he lost to me goes to the bottom of the
2:00:05
bracket or seed eight, which means as long as he wins, we are
2:00:10
guaranteed to play because then they then pay or one verses eight. So the
2:00:15
way their bracketing software is currently designed, going into the first round of Top
2:00:19
eight, you'll almost always play people you defeated earlier. That'll be interesting.
2:00:28
But I was Top eight, m what did what did that get you?
2:00:33
Yeah? I got absolutely nothing? UM, so that was fun and I
2:00:40
do I do think this is something UM that gig can work on. I
2:00:45
really like the patch that Marcus Frankly is a judge put out his own money
2:00:48
for UM. It kind of represents the pins that we saw at previous faultur
2:00:53
So that was awesome, But you want to have it is Honestly, that
2:00:57
is one of those mementos that I will remember and I'm like, I'd like
2:01:00
to see that for the other vts, the pins and I can put it
2:01:02
on the carrying case iron but yet they are so on on yeah, but
2:01:11
still really cool. Who owns an iron anymore anyway? But what we want
2:01:16
is to have some mark that you made Top eight, that you made day
2:01:20
two. So here's some sleeves, here's a matt, here's some trinkets.
2:01:26
Well, and maybe that was there, but it's on the palette that's on
2:01:28
the train. I don't think so, because they collected information from everybody else
2:01:32
to send prizes for stuff. So I don't know. I think not no,
2:01:36
shape they have your information. They didn't. They got they got five
2:01:40
grand enterprises and that's it, right, But I think that's it is that
2:01:45
I would instead of seeing the five grand that's there. I don't think that
2:01:49
people are all coming and playing for the money some of those little trinkets that
2:01:54
you can go ahead and put out for all players or for individuals who are
2:01:59
making the top cuts. Let's there's also not a leaderboard anymore either, so
2:02:03
like there is really nothing for making top cut. Well, and and again
2:02:10
we don't there was a palette, the mysterious palette. I am willing to
2:02:16
bet a significant amount of money that there is nothing. Well, I mean
2:02:21
they would have. They would have just said we have stuff and we're gonna
2:02:25
ship it, because they're shipping stuff for people who won sealed pots, right,
2:02:30
Like, like I told you, they already have your information. So
2:02:32
no, they do not have my information. How they don't they wrote your
2:02:35
letter? So how much is a significant amount of money? Sheep? Ah,
2:02:41
you tell me, m okay, how much are you willing to lose?
2:02:45
Southerly? All right? See how you you hit top four? How
2:02:53
was your experience? So? Yeah, day one, I had a buy
2:02:58
Um. Then I play the feckless It was a Imperial four six semper tribute.
2:03:06
Um kind of Dino deck. I super high rolled that game. Um,
2:03:12
so I kind of just went off with my auto encoder. Everything was
2:03:15
sitting exactly where I needed to go. The second my round three for me.
2:03:21
My second actual game, I played Edo, who made top eight at
2:03:27
KFC. I think it might have actually gone the top four. Fantastic deck,
2:03:30
so it was actually kind of terrifying. Um. I did really well
2:03:33
up the front of the game. In the end, it came down to
2:03:38
whether I could draw a board clear after he put a lot of captured ambro
2:03:42
on his dude. Luckily he didn't draw back into the Imperio fours a second
2:03:45
time because he did fire once the whole So I actually fought two Imperio four
2:03:49
jacks in a row. The Edo almost always fires, it's entire everything or
2:03:57
just a day two. But they don't. I don't get to talk about
2:04:00
my thing. You already did, no, I didn't. Okay, fine,
2:04:04
but but she didn't talk about his first day's games. All right,
2:04:09
fine, Day two, Day two nine. This is gonna this is gonna
2:04:13
be like the Philly Vault Tour show. We said we were gonna be in
2:04:17
it for a long time, Yeah, did we? We love keep I
2:04:25
can hear sheep. Will he whine so much about everything he doesn't know when
2:04:29
to stop, even if it's a whining about us. All right, anyway,
2:04:32
So my Top eight match Day two was against Mike fun I whatever,
2:04:39
Mike um and um, and he took me all the way to the time
2:04:45
too. This was literally the first game in my entire Vault experience. And
2:04:49
I'm willing to bet money no one's played in more about games than I have.
2:04:55
Um. I've never gone a time and they used to be thirty five
2:04:59
minut So yeah, I think some of that was, like it being Top
2:05:03
eight, we were playing through lines a little slowly, but like it went
2:05:09
all the way to the wired Amazon pink jacket. It's a very fast deck
2:05:14
as far as like tempo goes in the pace of play, but we go
2:05:17
all the way to the end, we're kind of battling around like. So
2:05:20
at some point near the end, he'd played the visible hand or whatever the
2:05:26
ecuadon card is that shows you your hand and it makes two tokens. But
2:05:30
he showed me that he had Tomoti in his hand, and I saw him
2:05:33
take two unfathomable turns at two fish turns after that, and like he didn't
2:05:40
play the card, so like we're basically dancing around him knowing that. So
2:05:45
I think it grinded the game down to a kind of a halt. At
2:05:49
my final turn, I was debating a weather to go ahead and lock him
2:05:54
into into fish and pushing high on Amber, knowing that he would just tomodi
2:06:00
me or forcing the same kind of result into logos. But I had a
2:06:04
lot of Logos cards in my archive and in my hand because at that point,
2:06:09
like my auto ancuter had been going off, so I had just a
2:06:12
ton of cards to look at while I was doing the math to decide whether
2:06:15
to go into logos that turn versus the dis turn. Time was called on
2:06:18
my turn, I hadn't called my house yet, so at that point I
2:06:26
did the quick amber math. I went into discs, I marked him into
2:06:30
Fish. I pushed real high, knowing that he just called fish in his
2:06:34
maximum possible amber could not exceed mine and that Timodi would not matter in the
2:06:42
time roles because the time had been called before I called my house. I
2:06:46
think had we played it out since I had redacted online, I would have
2:06:49
won naturally as well, based on the math on the logos that I was
2:06:55
counting up. So I would have liked to have finish the game naturally.
2:07:00
But it did not work out that way. But like, since I basically
2:07:02
knew his hand right like because he showed me his hand, so I just
2:07:06
had a lot more to calculate at that moment. But great game. That
2:07:12
was absolutely fantastic, And I talked to like, I talked to Mike literally
2:07:15
after the game. I was like, that turn one, you did this,
2:07:17
later, you did this. Had he been playing his prospectors in a
2:07:23
different way, I honestly don't know if I win that game, like just
2:07:27
straight up, because there's different ways to value prospectors than what he was using
2:07:31
them for. But what was real and it's here. And he opened that
2:07:35
light the day before, which is wild because I definitely did not open Mike
2:07:41
round. I've never opened anything like that, so I'm looking forward to see
2:07:46
where that goes. Very next round, though, I was playing that's damn
2:07:53
decks called I think it's called Countess. I was playing it pretty good.
2:07:59
It's actually very gooddeck called Countess Bullseye thing. It's dislogo storing. It does
2:08:07
not have like a super flat flashy sass or whatnot, but it has a
2:08:11
gigantic exile combo. It's got some stuff to set up the combo. In
2:08:18
the game that I was playing, it did not draw any like set up
2:08:20
pieces. It just naturally drew into this. So here's the turn four that
2:08:24
I will never forget. I had four amber. He no. I had
2:08:30
six amber. He started with four. He had a Sparta Soar and a
2:08:37
the four one legionary dude that when he fights he can exalt you someone else.
2:08:41
I had no creatures on the board. At the start of the turn,
2:08:46
he lands the Terror Dactyl and he plays Tribute exalts it, so he
2:08:52
takes four of my six. Then he plays a second tribute. This is
2:08:56
hand of his six cards. He has not archived anything or anything like that.
2:09:00
Second tribute takes two of my amber. So he's captured six. He
2:09:03
exalts to seven. Then he exiles the Pterodactyl to my side of the table.
2:09:09
Then he plays Imperium on his own two dudes, and then he plays
2:09:13
Regrettable Meteor as his sixth card. All soar In pops his too awards,
2:09:22
kills the Pterodactyl, gains Amber rapes with the two guys in his turn with
2:09:28
twenty one Amber in his pool, and I have zero on turn four and
2:09:37
the end I did to conceie like right before I was about to four to
2:09:41
my second key, but I did. Actually I should have been able to
2:09:43
get back to a second key there before the conceit, but yeah, he
2:09:50
took it that. I will never forget that turn the deck is fantastic.
2:09:56
He does have things that could have set that combo up, like like as
2:10:00
a handcrafting state, but in this case it just drew into it. And
2:10:03
that is key forge. Sometimes the crucible says you shall not pass, and
2:10:09
that definitely happened in that whoa, whoa. I think that's gimmick infringement right
2:10:13
there. I don't know if we can do that. I don't know.
2:10:15
I don't know if we could do that. But yeah, like he went
2:10:18
on to face Devan. He didn't make it past Devin, but congratulations he
2:10:22
made he was making the worlds and I ended right there at top four.
2:10:26
Um, in theory, I'm gonna get some money for that, but we'll
2:10:31
see, we'll see. Um. But yeah, that was my experience.
2:10:35
I had a blast playing key Forge. The tournament structure does not affects me
2:10:41
because I had won all the way up until that point. But I like,
2:10:45
I like Arre talked about talking people down. I didn't talk anyone down,
2:10:48
but I ran into three separate people that said they are no longer planning
2:10:52
an attending events until the format changes. But that's as a whole different thing.
2:10:56
I had fun in my events. I'm excited about playing op key Forge
2:11:01
again. All right, Well that takes us through that. Um. I
2:11:07
mean, I know we got a few other things that you guys wanted to
2:11:09
hit ze. You said you guys had some or draft Corp. Maybe I'm
2:11:13
not hanging out with with some GG crew having some talks the very last day.
2:11:20
Yeah. Yeah, so so day three, yep, we ended up
2:11:26
hanging out at the hotel playing some games. I ended up facing Jeremy.
2:11:31
I took him on and uh, yeah, it was fun just chatting whatnot
2:11:37
and playing playing some key Forge right like he Um, you know, they're
2:11:43
very busy and he isn't one of the primary playtesters, so he actually doesn't
2:11:48
get that many chances to to play the game, um compared to you know,
2:11:54
like a Michael Hurley who's actively trying stuff, tweaking stuff of changing stuff
2:12:00
all time. So um, that was cool to play with him, and
2:12:03
it was cool to play with other folks. Other folks there and uh z
2:12:09
you were playing with Hurley. Yeah, we played, um vault Masters sealed
2:12:15
his his deck like took took the win, like he beat me, and
2:12:18
then he proceeded to beat I think Sheep, and then he beat Sydney like
2:12:24
he went three. Uh with his his vault Master's deck, like mine was
2:12:28
not great. They could not handle what he did, so like it had
2:12:31
like three screech bombs or something that was funny. Um, and I had
2:12:35
like no amber controls, so it's like, okay, you're I just lose
2:12:37
the key here. And then I tried to win with just board reaping.
2:12:41
Um it did not work out. Um. So yeah, I had a
2:12:43
lot of fun just talking to him, playing the game. He's actually pretty
2:12:48
good. He knows all the rules, he does some really his sequencing is
2:12:52
good, very well played. Um that's good to you know. He's the
2:12:56
one of the lead designers. I think he is the lead designers. So
2:12:58
I'm glad he knows how to play the game, um at a good level.
2:13:05
All right, tell me about Senior Z talking to himself. I didn't
2:13:09
write that drafts controlling me here. Well, we were, and actually that
2:13:16
might have been on day four. I think it was. Actually we were
2:13:20
heading to the airport. Yeah, and uh so we pop on our own
2:13:26
podcast, which which apparently Ze never listens to. And yeah, I don't
2:13:35
listen to our podcast either, because I was there. I lived it well,
2:13:39
right, But we were listening to our own projections to see how wrong
2:13:43
we were. The answer is very wrong. And although you were pretty on
2:13:48
point, Bookie, So kudos to you, sir. There you go.
2:13:54
Um, and so, like we're like halfway through the podcast, I forget
2:14:01
you said do something like why didn't you guys tell me I sound like shit
2:14:03
or something like that. They were like, what are you talking about?
2:14:07
Like I like paused it. I was like, guys, one of you
2:14:13
should have told me to get a better mic, like hold on, hold
2:14:16
on, let me, let me, let me go ahead and go back
2:14:20
into the chat um. So I need a better mic situation. I say,
2:14:28
you don't say, he goes the ball. That was me listening at
2:14:33
that moment. That's what that that statement is for, because I was literally
2:14:35
texting from the car. Yeah. Yeah, And I've only been telling Z
2:14:41
this for oh geez, there was three years now and four. We even
2:14:48
went as far as to get Z a better mic at one point in time,
2:14:52
and he just refused to use it. I set it up. I
2:14:56
just forget it to turn it on sometimes all the time, and it's on.
2:15:03
I hopefully I sound better today. It sounds significantly better. I hope
2:15:07
you got to have it on. I've got this like mic stand like to
2:15:13
punch me in the face at the trust me, trust me, it ain't
2:15:16
gonna mouth. It ainta hurt. It's like that ball, come anka hurt
2:15:18
you. I'm just not used to big balls face like a well, well,
2:15:24
to be fair, my microphone isn't a ball. The shaft one could
2:15:31
say that. Yeah, and this is where we completely digress. Okay,
2:15:35
our kind of after dark. But anyway, it's changed a big Z for
2:15:41
like what one day. Yeah, so I mean it's it's funny. Yeah,
2:15:45
I've only been saying this for like three years. We got it.
2:15:48
Like at one time, I gave my I gave you a whole mic set
2:15:50
up, and I think you gave it to Eric he was doing our whatever,
2:15:56
right, that's regardless, Like it is what it is. So now
2:16:01
you have the proper setup and and we're good to go. Now, so
2:16:05
it's all better fine here now, how are you? Um? So yeah,
2:16:13
we figured that out. Um, I think again, we're gonna go
2:16:16
to the drazz Core experience on a Patreon episode. So, um, if
2:16:22
you are interested in hearing about the drazz Core experience, for a dollar or
2:16:26
I think it's actually five bucks a month, you get the extra episodes.
2:16:30
Um, I have no idea. Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is.
2:16:33
For five bucks a month you get the extra episodes. Um, but when
2:16:37
that's well worth it when you can hear about Jay Power and seven who both
2:16:41
one so you can hear from Jay Power and Devon. This wraps up the
2:16:48
official Philly Vault VT super Mega Uper Duper Super Saian Show. Um, we'll
2:16:54
go into more double elimination here in the next upcoming weeks because it is it
2:16:58
is a big point of contention right now. As far as that and as
2:17:03
well as the second number, I think we'll we'll hit up next week depending
2:17:07
on where we land with news and all that stuff. Hopefully Gigi gets us
2:17:13
something with some numbers, because we like numbers and we have predictions. Well,
2:17:18
I think if they share that, it's just actually going to be good
2:17:22
for the field to see, because I think people did pretty well with stuff
2:17:26
that other people need to see that they did well with but like they wouldn't
2:17:30
be expecting, especially a lion tech. The only other thing we can really
2:17:33
get into um into our discussion is our top eight predictions would strategy. We
2:17:43
can go under that next week for perfect we can do that next week where
2:17:46
we're already two hours and twenty minutes, and so yeah, I my final
2:17:50
thought, I know sometimes yes, yeah, go ahead. Is my final
2:17:54
thought is I had a great time. My experience was excellent. I did
2:17:58
not lose any of my games on day one, though lots of people do
2:18:01
not have that same experience. If you're at Philly or you've been thinking about
2:18:05
going to vaults and what the experience we describe with JR and the nine am
2:18:11
to eleven pm experience. If that is something that you did not like at
2:18:16
Philly or you're worried about going into go to their site. There is a
2:18:22
little feedback form. You can either choose customer service or other and write organized
2:18:28
play as a title and describe like your feelings about that situation and how it
2:18:35
impacts whether or not you will be attending vaults in the future. All of
2:18:39
that can be collected as artifacts from either Josh or Jeremy to present to the
2:18:43
only person that can actually make the decision whether this format changes to something more
2:18:50
palatable to a positive player experience. I don't think you're going to see a
2:18:54
format change this season, but possibly if you don't submit it, and we
2:19:00
won't. But if absolutely our entire competitive player base submits this and tries to
2:19:07
get this done, that is a big difference from them not listening. Then
2:19:11
if we don't say anything and they continue as they continue, like all they
2:19:16
can do is ignore us or say no, right, but at least we've
2:19:20
said our peace. If you're whining about it or complaining about it in a
2:19:24
discord and not and you have not submitted that form, please just stop saying
2:19:30
anything at all. First, and it's important that we speak up not only
2:19:35
for the players but also for the staff and the judges who are there too.
2:19:39
Those are very long days because they're there before us and after us,
2:19:43
yea earlier on the cast. Like there is a scenario where like AC could
2:19:50
potentially run something for gg. I will never run an event in this format
2:19:58
period, so like there's no chance that like we do this stuff, you
2:20:03
know, in this venue, like in this format um for the community,
2:20:09
and we would like to particially be able to do that. Just this is
2:20:13
not something that I'm going to staff judges for or even potentially pay people twelve
2:20:18
thirteen hours for as judges, Like that's that's not a thing it is.
2:20:24
It is beyond asking, you know, normal people that work these things to
2:20:30
do like Gee and Marcus did fantastic. They put a lot of time into
2:20:33
that day and I'm sure they were exhausted and they didn't need to be.
2:20:37
There was no reason that that that had to be a thing, all right,
2:20:43
dras score watching guy. I had a great time, and I hope
2:20:48
to see more of you listeners at the next event. And the next event
2:20:54
is gen Con and uh I will be there and it's my first gen Con.
2:21:01
I'm excited to do key Forage, excited to experience other gen Con things.
2:21:05
Yeah, so I'm still shocked this is your first gen Con. But
2:21:09
is what it is? Well, it's it's immediately after the World Board Gaming
2:21:11
Championships the week before, and I've always gone to that. Got it,
2:21:16
E walk what you got. I appreciated being able to get out in real
2:21:22
life play and to see so many new friends, so many new faces at
2:21:26
key Forge. Saturday was impacted by again the double elimination, so it really
2:21:35
did have an impact and being able to go out whereas typically we would finish
2:21:39
any other vault around seven and you could grab dinner at that point and then
2:21:41
just socialize. So for me, if you made top whatever, correct,
2:21:46
but even just the idea for people getting together and we have a phenomenal community.
2:21:50
I did appreciate Sunday for all those who are kind of staying back.
2:21:56
There was some wet other issues and hopefully everyone has made it home at this
2:21:58
point or caught up caught a ride. I know that flights are a real
2:22:03
issue from many individuals, but shout out to everyone who stayed back and we
2:22:07
went out to South House. So that's from Sydney Captain Stupendous, x Ray,
2:22:11
Foolish, Big Jay Mam and Dge claims bend the Monkey Like. Those
2:22:16
are the moments that Yeah, I'm sad about not making you know day two
2:22:22
and that top cut, But it's also the camaraderie and just being able to
2:22:26
talk shop about key Forge when I'm in groups like South House that I will
2:22:31
remember it's what keeps drawing me back to the ball tours. So I really
2:22:35
appreciate that, and I feel very blessed that gig is putting on events.
2:22:41
I just we want to strive for better in the format, just because we
2:22:45
know that this game can continue to grow and we want the best for it.
2:22:50
And finally it's sadly Yeah, so Philly g sneaks are not brain food.
2:22:58
I don't care how many calories are in there, They're not brain food.
2:23:03
That's true. Yeah, you eat well at the vaults and doesn't matter
2:23:07
whether you have four roommates or that an alarm in the morning so they will
2:23:11
not wake you up. M fair enough, and you want to you want
2:23:20
to call some folks out who who didn't wake up? Yeah, no,
2:23:22
no, no, no, I can know like I know some names there,
2:23:28
they know who they are. With that being sad, thank you all
2:23:31
for joining us in the live chat as per normal. Make sure you're following
2:23:37
us on all social media. I've been having some fun with a little editing
2:23:41
tool that I recently found UM and posting some some fun stuff, So make
2:23:46
sure you're following us on all the social media's If you want to stick around
2:23:50
after, we will be designing the AC team shirts right after this. It's
2:23:56
not gonna be much of a design. It's basically gonna be picking a shirt
2:23:58
that we like. UM. If you want to do that, stick around,
2:24:01
join us in chat. Are we going to into the corner chat and
2:24:07
we'll see y'all next week. Happy fortune everyone, May the forage be with
2:24:13
you. Yeah. Conversations at the level lot has a fun times. Try to get