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  Speaker 1: I'm Chris Hansen right now on Crimewatch Daily from here
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  Speaker 1: in New York. He was one of New York's finest,
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  Speaker 1: a young NYPD cop who just married his girlfriend and
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  Speaker 1: welcomed a baby girl.
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  Speaker 2: I was a very good husband. I was a good father.
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  Speaker 2: I provided for my family.
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  Speaker 1: Until his sick and twisted double life was exposed.
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  Speaker 3: You talk about kidnap women, killing them, cooking them, and
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  Speaker 3: eating them.
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  Speaker 1: Today, my girl, New York's infamous cannibal cop busted by
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  Speaker 1: the FBI after his own wife made the chilling discovery.
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  Speaker 1: She was one of his targets.
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  Speaker 4: Your wife found photos of herself.
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  Speaker 1: His wife, her friend written a menu for murder.
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  Speaker 5: He's talking about doing terrible things to people.
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  Speaker 1: Is she a dangerous real life hannibal, the cannibal or
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  Speaker 1: just a man with a morbid imagination? Yo, this is normal.
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  Speaker 2: People don't choose the things they're aroused by. Right now,
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  Speaker 2: Andrea Isisen Serve with Crime Watch Daily, Jason Matta Crime
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  Speaker 2: Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 1: This, I'm Elizabeth.
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  Speaker 5: I'm here with Crimewatch and Michelle from Crime Watch Daily.
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  Speaker 1: Anagarcia from Crime Watch is crime Watch Daily Off.
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  Speaker 2: We'll find you again.
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  Speaker 1: We always do. Welcome to Crime Watch Daily. Everyone, I'm
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  Speaker 1: Chris Hansen. We start today with all new details on
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  Speaker 1: a case that not only fascinated the city of New York,
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  Speaker 1: it made headlines around the world. An NYPD officer accused
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  Speaker 1: of plotting to kidnap and eat his victims. Today, I've
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  Speaker 1: got a new interview with a so called cannibal cop,
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  Speaker 1: and we want to warn you some of the details
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  Speaker 1: in this next story are quite graphic and disturbing. Kidnap,
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  Speaker 1: great actions, kill and eat women speak louder than words.
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  Speaker 2: I was never gonna act out these fantasies.
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  Speaker 1: Or do that. It's an unprecedented case.
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  Speaker 6: You cannot prosecute people based on their disturbing and sick thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: That will leave investigators wondering where fantasy ends and reality begins.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think he was capable of kidnapping, assaulting, killing,
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  Speaker 1: and eating a woman.
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  Speaker 5: I think anyone is capable of anything.
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  Speaker 1: Wild headlines.
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  Speaker 2: It's never something that I thought would come back to
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  Speaker 2: blow up to this.
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  Speaker 1: Level in nickname notoriety.
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  Speaker 2: The cannibal cop, that's all I got to stay with
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  Speaker 2: me forever.
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  Speaker 1: How the hell did you get yourself into this? Three
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  Speaker 1: months before the scandalous story broke NYPD officer Gilberto Valley,
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  Speaker 1: known as Gil to his friends and family, is busy
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  Speaker 1: working in the night beat in Harlem's Upper West Side.
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  Speaker 1: Were you a good cop?
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  Speaker 2: I was a great cop. I was well respected. I
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  Speaker 2: was very pro out of my career. I was respected
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  Speaker 2: by my peers, by my supervisors, by the community. I
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  Speaker 2: was very proud. I enjoyed being a police officer very much.
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  Speaker 1: It is just twenty eight years old. Gil passes his
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  Speaker 1: sergeant's exam. The potential promotion in bump and pay will
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  Speaker 1: come in handy. Gil recently married his sweetheart of two years,
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  Speaker 1: Kathleen Mangutt, and they've just welcomed a baby girl.
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  Speaker 2: I was a very good husband. I was a good father.
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  Speaker 2: I provided for my family. But I did everything a
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  Speaker 2: man was supposed to do, and I love doing it.
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  Speaker 1: Life is good for the Valley family from Queens, New York.
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  Speaker 2: I lived a normal, typical American life, normal being the
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  Speaker 2: operative word. I had this thing going on the side.
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  Speaker 2: These chat rooms. They were done anonymously through a screen name.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know any other people I was communicating with
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  Speaker 2: other than their screen names, and that was it.
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  Speaker 1: Well, not exactly.
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  Speaker 6: Those chats were in the context of fetish chat rooms.
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  Speaker 1: One of NYPD's finest is leading a double life.
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  Speaker 2: It was graphic, It was brutally on the dark web.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, how do you even know where to go
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  Speaker 4: to discuss these things.
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  Speaker 2: There's a pornography website, a website has related links, so
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  Speaker 2: I got curious. I click on related links, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: one thing leads to another.
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  Speaker 1: And Gil is on the Russian website darkfetishnet dot com.
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  Speaker 1: It's a form for adults to discuss their wildest fantasies
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  Speaker 1: and fetishes and on this private members only site. The
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  Speaker 1: freakier the better.
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  Speaker 3: You talk about kidnapping, yeah, women, putting them in a suitcase,
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  Speaker 3: delivering them for a gang rate, and then killing them.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, killing them, but it gets much darker, cooking them
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  Speaker 1: and eating them aka cannibalism.
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  Speaker 2: Again, very graphic, brutal stuff. It was never anything real.
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  Speaker 2: It was all fictional.
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  Speaker 1: For two years, Gil has been surfing the Savage site,
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  Speaker 1: gaunking at gruesome photos of women appearing to be bound
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  Speaker 1: and eaten. Gill admits it's not everyone's cup of tea
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  Speaker 1: or in this case, a pound of flesh. Gil, this
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  Speaker 1: is normal.
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  Speaker 2: For a cop, you know, would it matter if I
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  Speaker 2: was a plumber, if I was an account you were
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  Speaker 2: a cop. But people don't choose the things they're aroused by.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone has their own things. People don't choose it.
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  Speaker 1: And while many view this as a sick, twisted world,
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  Speaker 1: Gill claims it became a normal part of his everyday routine.
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  Speaker 2: I come home from work after midnight as a police officer.
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  Speaker 2: Still I'm kind of wound up, so I'd never go
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  Speaker 2: right to sleep. No police officer who works that shift
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  Speaker 2: goes right to sleep.
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  Speaker 4: But not that many police officers engage in this kind of.
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  Speaker 2: Activity, right, that's fair, But people.
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  Speaker 4: Can why not watch a movie or sports or something.
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  Speaker 2: No, I did that some nights too. I wasn't on
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  Speaker 2: a computer every single night, but on many nights.
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  Speaker 1: According to computer records, Gil is logged on from midnight
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  Speaker 1: to well into the pre dawn hours, talking to his
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  Speaker 1: new friends.
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  Speaker 2: What was your screen It was a girl meat hunter.
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  Speaker 1: Your screen name was girl meat Hunter. Yes, this scary
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  Speaker 1: screen name seemed to fit considering the average exchange between
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  Speaker 1: Gil and another profile user named Ali Cohn. Gil's messenger
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  Speaker 1: name pops up as mha L fifty two and begins
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  Speaker 1: with a truly shocking message, and want to warn you
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  Speaker 1: it's graphic. He writes, I have longed to butcher and
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  Speaker 1: cook female meat. His buddy Ali responds, young women are good,
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  Speaker 1: nothing too big and fat. American meat has its own taste.
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  Speaker 1: I'll make a good meal for you. Gil tipes back,
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  Speaker 1: I'm dying to taste some girl meat. Gil's wife and
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  Speaker 1: baby are sleeping in the next room. All the moniacol
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  Speaker 1: messages flooded the computer screen.
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  Speaker 4: Did you engage in any of the stuff with your
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  Speaker 4: life at all?
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  Speaker 1: No, It's a secret cyber world, and Gil intends to
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  Speaker 1: keep it that way. Cop by day want to be
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  Speaker 1: cannibal by night.
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  Speaker 2: It's not something I ever wanted to volunteer because I
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  Speaker 2: was afraid of what people would think. They would see
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  Speaker 2: me as some kind of outcast or a freak.
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  Speaker 5: It's like two totally different people.
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  Speaker 1: Journalist in Crime Watch Daily Legal analyst Amy Dash covered
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  Speaker 1: the Gill Valley case, and she was the only reporter
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  Speaker 1: to stay in regular contact with a disgraced NYPD officer
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  Speaker 1: during his entire time behind barns.
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  Speaker 6: When I reached out to him as a journalist and
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  Speaker 6: he just came off as the most normal person and
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  Speaker 6: I thought this is so bizarre because there were some
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  Speaker 6: sick things going through this guy's head.
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  Speaker 1: In one of the many letters between Valley and Dash,
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  Speaker 1: he gives us an inside look into the mindset of
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  Speaker 1: the shamed ex cop, writing, I wake up every morning
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  Speaker 1: wanted to drive my head through the wall for being
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  Speaker 1: so stupid. Valley explains it to me, saying what's sick
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  Speaker 1: to some people is sexually gratifying to others.
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  Speaker 2: I have no problem saying my thoughts are deviant, they're unusual,
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  Speaker 2: they have normal but they don't affect who I am
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  Speaker 2: in real life. That this was something I never planned
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  Speaker 2: on telling anyone.
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  Speaker 1: And then it happens Officer Valley's Two Worlds collade.
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  Speaker 2: She found the internet history of those kind of websites
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  Speaker 2: I was looking at from there, said that led to
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  Speaker 2: her finding the.
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  Speaker 1: Chats the clean Cops dark and dirty side is exposed.
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  Speaker 6: So here you had someone who's sworn to protect and serve,
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  Speaker 6: and he's talking about doing terrible things to people, hurting people,
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  Speaker 6: raping people, wanting to.
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  Speaker 5: Eat people.
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  Speaker 1: Coming up.
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  Speaker 6: We don't know whether he's dangerous or not. From this
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  Speaker 6: point going forward, it's a.
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  Speaker 1: Dark discovery on the dark web.
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  Speaker 4: Your wife found photos of herself, yes, and her friends.
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  Speaker 1: Was the cannibal cop fantasy about to turn into a
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  Speaker 1: horrifying reality?
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  Speaker 5: He was surveilling these women.
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  Speaker 1: The wife of NYPD Officer Gilberto Valley does a little
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  Speaker 1: searching on the computer, and what she finds is beyond creepy.
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  Speaker 1: Her husband is not only talking to people about kidnapping
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  Speaker 1: and sexually assaulting women, but eating them as well. Yes, cannibalism.
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  Speaker 1: The big question, were these disgusting thoughts about to become
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  Speaker 1: a gruesome reality? And once again, some of the details
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  Speaker 1: you're about to hear are quite disturbing. NYPD Officer gil
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  Speaker 1: Valley is living a secret life cop by day, aspiring
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  Speaker 1: cannibal by night, until his deviant desires are discovered by
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  Speaker 1: his wife, and then this horrifying revelation she's one of
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  Speaker 1: his targets. How did she find out you were involved
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  Speaker 1: on this?
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  Speaker 2: She installed spywear on my computer.
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  Speaker 1: Why did she feel the need to install spywear?
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  Speaker 2: She thought I was having an affair.
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  Speaker 1: An affair would have been a relief compared to the
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  Speaker 1: terrifying things Gil's wife ultimately uncovered.
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  Speaker 3: You talked about kidnapping her and her friends, putting them
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  Speaker 3: in suitcases, raping them in front of each other, and
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  Speaker 3: killing and eating them.
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  Speaker 2: Right, that's going to scare a woman, I understand that.
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  Speaker 2: And these were fictional writings again, but were they?
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  Speaker 1: Turns out Gil had these demonic plans for his wife
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  Speaker 1: after their very first date. In his memoir Raw Deal,
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  Speaker 1: Gil writes, when he got home, he pleasured himself sexually
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  Speaker 1: while quote imagining her being chloroformed in kidnapped strip naked
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  Speaker 1: and laid out on a platter with an apple in
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  Speaker 1: her mouth.
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  Speaker 5: There were some sick things going through the sky's head.
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  Speaker 1: And Gil isn't alone. He's often chatting with several other
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  Speaker 1: wannabe cannibal creeks, among them Christopher Ash, a librarian from
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  Speaker 1: New York City, Dale Bollinger, a nurse from England, Michael
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  Speaker 1: van Heights, a mechanic from New Jersey, and Ali Khan,
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  Speaker 1: a butcher from Pakistan. There's a tendency to say, if
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  Speaker 1: this guy wasn't up to no good, he wouldn't be
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  Speaker 1: in a chair room like this.
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  Speaker 6: There are a lot of sick people who are turned
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  Speaker 6: on by disturbing things.
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  Speaker 1: According to recovered chats between Gil and the Pakistani butcher,
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  Speaker 1: the two men plan to kidnap Gil's wife and then
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  Speaker 1: tie her up, slit her throat, and watch the blood
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  Speaker 1: drain from her body. Allie con writes if she cries out,
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  Speaker 1: don't show her mercy. Gil replies, don't worry, We'll gag her.
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  Speaker 1: And when it comes to killing his wife, Gil comments,
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  Speaker 1: she's a sweet girl. I like her a lot, but
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  Speaker 1: I will move on.
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  Speaker 4: This isn't dear playboy. You might never believe this. This
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  Speaker 4: is graphic, threatening, dangerous, dark stuff.
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  Speaker 2: I understand it's very graphic.
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  Speaker 1: It's very dark, and Gil's hunger for human flesh doesn't
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  Speaker 1: stop with his beloved. There's action of the website that's
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  Speaker 1: entitled what would You Do to Her, where users post
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  Speaker 1: photos of various women. Gil uploads hundreds of pictures of women.
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  Speaker 1: There's just one problem.
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  Speaker 6: All of the women that he talked about were real
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  Speaker 6: people in his life.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. Gill's frightening fantasies appear to be based in reality,
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  Speaker 1: copied and pasted straight from his Facebook page.
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  Speaker 6: He talked about real people, real names, real dates.
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  Speaker 1: Gil's menu for murder includes a twenty seven year old
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  Speaker 1: prosecuting an attorney and college classmate concerning this woman and
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  Speaker 1: again warning it's graphic. Gil brags about tying up to
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  Speaker 1: a pully apparatus in his basement and cooking her a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Gill writes things like she'll be trussed up like a turkey.
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  Speaker 1: She'll be terrified, screaming and crying. These are your words.
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  Speaker 2: I understand you don't dispute that. Yeah, there's no denying
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  Speaker 2: that I wrote that stuff. It's just it's one thing
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  Speaker 2: when I'm an anonymous screen name. It's not a thing
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  Speaker 2: when I'm sitting here looking at you and I'm Gil
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  Speaker 2: and I'm a person now.
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  Speaker 1: And then there's an acquaintance who Gil knows through his wife.
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  Speaker 1: He allegedly plans to abduct and sell this woman to
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  Speaker 1: his online buddy, Michael van Hies from New Jersey. Gil
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  Speaker 1: writes five thousand, and she's all yours. The Jersey mechanic
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  Speaker 1: writes back, could we do four? Remember Gill is a
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  Speaker 1: cop sworn to protect people. And finally, there's an eighteen
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  Speaker 1: year old student who attends Gill's high school alma mater.
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  Speaker 1: He refers to her as quote, the most desirable piece
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  Speaker 1: of meat I've ever met.
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  Speaker 2: I speak about in these chats a human size of
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  Speaker 2: in the house in the middle of nowhere, a white
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  Speaker 2: van note of the stuff exists. It's all clearly fictional.
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  Speaker 1: How do you even think that up?
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  Speaker 2: It's not normal, it's just fixed, it's just writing. It's
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  Speaker 2: just you know, But you see how it looks. No, sure,
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  Speaker 2: I understand how it looks. I totally get.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like you're preparing to kidnap, rape, kill, and eat.
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  Speaker 2: Based on completely fictional writing.
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  Speaker 1: But when Gil's wife reads these menacing messages, she packs
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  Speaker 1: up their baby and flees to her parents home.
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  Speaker 7: What did she say to you after she read about
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  Speaker 7: these twisted fantasies?
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  Speaker 2: Her initial reaction was to try and work this out.
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  Speaker 2: She sent me a text message after she left. She said,
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  Speaker 2: let's try, and I'm not giving up. Let's try and
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  Speaker 2: find a couples therapists.
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  Speaker 1: But it appears missus Valley has a change of heart.
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  Speaker 4: She went to the FBI.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Then about a month after Gil's wife leaves him,
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  Speaker 1: all hell breaks loose. There's a knock at the door,
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  Speaker 1: and when he opens it, there are six FBI agents,
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  Speaker 1: guns drawn squarely in his direction.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'm a very good rider. Obviously the FBI thought
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  Speaker 2: I was committing a real crime, thought.
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  Speaker 1: Or new ends up. The Feds had been watching Gill,
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  Speaker 1: and according to them, Hill has been doing some watching
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  Speaker 1: of his own. The Feds call it stalk it.
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  Speaker 5: He was surveilling these women.
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  Speaker 6: So he had accessed an NYPD database, and he had
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  Speaker 6: started looking up personal information.
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  Speaker 7: Key accessed as a police officer a law enforcement database,
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  Speaker 7: that's right, and was essentially using it illegally, Yes, to
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  Speaker 7: get information on potential targets.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and it's a big deal. It is a big deal.
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  Speaker 1: Officer Valley is charged with conspiracy to commit kidnapping and
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  Speaker 1: illegally accessing a federal law enforcement database. If convicted on
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  Speaker 1: the two felonies, the NYPD cop faces life in prison.
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  Speaker 1: It's a sensational story, well, cannibal cop. There was a
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  Speaker 1: huge headline.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, and I was kind of shielded from that because
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  Speaker 2: I was in prison. I never really got the extent
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  Speaker 2: of how big it was on the outside.
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  Speaker 1: But inside the courtroom, the shocking and gruesome details of
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  Speaker 1: Gil's cannibalistic chats are dissected line by line.
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  Speaker 2: It was brutal, it was a it was a nightmare.
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  Speaker 2: It was very tough.
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  Speaker 1: Then a big moment when Gil's wife takes the stand.
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  Speaker 1: She tearfully testifies to discovering thousands of emails and photos
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  Speaker 1: of herself and friends on her husband's computer.
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  Speaker 6: He's talking about doing terrible things to people, hurting people,
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  Speaker 6: raping people, wanting to eat people.
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  Speaker 1: For twelve straight days, it's a parade of Gil's former
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  Speaker 1: college classmates and friends taking the stand. Each woman recounts
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  Speaker 1: the most schoolish and gruesome ways the NYPD cop planned
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  Speaker 1: to allegedly cannibalize them. Then the prosecution puts their star
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  Speaker 1: witness on the stand.
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  Speaker 5: The prosecution played upon the fears of the jurors.
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  Speaker 1: It's during this testimony that the six man, six woman
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  Speaker 1: jury appears to really squirm in their seats as they
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  Speaker 1: hear from a woman named Kimberly. She's a former college
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  Speaker 1: classmate of Gills and a frequent topic of conversation between
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  Speaker 1: the NYPD cop and his English pal Dale Bollinger, who
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  Speaker 1: goes by the screen name Meat market Mann. Gill writes
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  Speaker 1: to meet market Man, I just can't wait to get
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  Speaker 1: Kimberly cooking.
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  Speaker 6: They went into the chats and they had FBI agents
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  Speaker 6: categorized the chats too fantasy and reality.
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  Speaker 1: The chats related to Kimberly are categorized as reality, and.
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  Speaker 6: They said that one of the components that distinguish the
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  Speaker 6: reality chats was where there was specificity and where he
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  Speaker 6: talked about real people, real names, real dates.
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  Speaker 1: Unlike the other fantasy chats, prosecutors claim Gil appears to
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  Speaker 1: be taking real steps to kidnap and kill his former
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  Speaker 1: college friend. FBI agents point to a recovered document from
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  Speaker 1: his computer entitled Abducting and Cooking Kimberly, a blueprint.
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  Speaker 5: That was a key point of the government's case.
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  Speaker 1: In the blueprint, Gill lists materials needed car chloroform, rope, gag,
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  Speaker 1: something to put in the trunk to collect any DNA,
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  Speaker 1: separate bag to gather her clothes, gloves, and cheap sneakers.
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  Speaker 1: And then Gil does something that he hasn't done with
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  Speaker 1: the other potential victims.
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  Speaker 6: He ended up going meeting that woman on that date,
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  Speaker 6: though he had lunch with her and brought his wife
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  Speaker 6: and his child.
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  Speaker 1: That's right, Kimberly is no longer an online fantasy. According
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  Speaker 1: to prosecutors. She's now potential prey sitting inches from her
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  Speaker 1: alleged hunter. But the defense claims it's not enough to
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  Speaker 1: prove conspiracy.
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  Speaker 6: All they had were chats but those chats were in
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  Speaker 6: the context of fetish chat rooms where you had thousands
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  Speaker 6: of other people talking about very similar things. So how
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  Speaker 6: do you tell the difference between what's fantasy and what's reality.
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  Speaker 1: Gill's defense team says their client never purchased materials to
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  Speaker 1: commit these crimes or communicated with any of the alleged
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  Speaker 1: co conspirators outside of the fantasy website.
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  Speaker 6: There's no way that you can prosecute people in this
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  Speaker 6: country based on their thoughts alone without having actions to
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  Speaker 6: back it up.
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  Speaker 5: If they follow the law. That she returned not guilty verdict.
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  Speaker 1: Then, after nearly two weeks of testimony, the jury reaches
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  Speaker 1: a decision guilty. I mean shach Gill, Valley's mother is
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  Speaker 1: not alone. The comp's defense team is stunned by the verdict.
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  Speaker 5: It's a devastating verdict for us.
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  Speaker 6: We truly believe in our client's innocence and it was
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  Speaker 6: devastating to hear guilty.
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  Speaker 1: But is he coming up?
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  Speaker 2: What crime did I commit?
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  Speaker 1: And is the so called cannibal cop going to spend
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  Speaker 1: the rest of his life behind bars?
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  Speaker 6: Ultimately, I knew it wasn't the end, and it wasn't.
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  Speaker 1: When do thoughts cross the line into crimes for former
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  Speaker 1: NYPD police officer Gilberto Valley. Prosecutors say it was when
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  Speaker 1: he and several other men plotted to kidnapp women, cook them,
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  Speaker 1: and eat them. Now, facing life in prison, Valley's story
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: is about to take another incredible turn. It was devastating
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  Speaker 1: to hear guilty NYPD officer gil Valley, dubbed the Cannibal Cop,
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  Speaker 1: is found guilty of conspiracy to commit kidnapping. He's also
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  Speaker 1: been nailed for accessing a federal government computer database without authorization,
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  Speaker 1: a verdict that leaves the former officers defense team stunned.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure mister Vallely was crying. I was certainly crying.
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  Speaker 5: It's emotional. It's very hard to hear. We've worked very
• 20:12
  Speaker 5: hard and we truly believe in his innocence.
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  Speaker 1: After Valley's conviction, his attorney's foul emotion to appeal. Journalist
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  Speaker 1: in Crime Watch Daily legal analyst Amy Dashes watching this
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  Speaker 1: case very carefully.
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  Speaker 6: The case appalls me from a legal perspective because it
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  Speaker 6: was such a thought based prosecution. It was straight out
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  Speaker 6: of George Orwell's nineteen eighty four.
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  Speaker 2: I also adult loyalties, which can need to thought crime.
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  Speaker 6: Where a man had disturbing thoughts but did nothing in
• 20:43
  Speaker 6: reality to back them up, and he was prosecuted and convicted.
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  Speaker 1: But this is in fiction, it's fact. For former NYPD
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  Speaker 1: cop gild Valley, currently facing life in prison.
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  Speaker 6: It's very hard, almost impossible to overturn a Jerry verdict.
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  Speaker 1: For nearly two years, gil Valley remains behind bars, professing
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  Speaker 1: his innocence to our Amy Dash.
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  Speaker 6: It was always polite and he just came off as
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  Speaker 6: the most normal person.
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  Speaker 5: And I thought this is so bizarre.
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  Speaker 6: Because when I was reading the trial transcript, there were
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  Speaker 6: some sick things going through this guy's head.
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  Speaker 5: It's like two totally different people.
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  Speaker 1: There's NYPD officer, husband and father, Gill Valley, and then
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  Speaker 1: there's cannibal cop. It's online persona, a girl meat hunter.
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  Speaker 6: The bulk of the evidence from the prosecutors was Internet based,
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  Speaker 6: so you had chats, you had Google searches for blueprints
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  Speaker 6: for murder and rape, Google searches for chloroform. So the
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  Speaker 6: question becomes, is all of that Internet evidence enough to
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  Speaker 6: prove a conspiracy and to prove criminal intent or do
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  Speaker 6: you need more? Do you need an action outside of
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  Speaker 6: the Internet and.
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  Speaker 1: The shamed ex cop criminal action, according to prosecutors, was
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  Speaker 1: meeting with his former college classmate Kimberly for lunch. They
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  Speaker 1: claimed he stagged his target after putting together a document
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  Speaker 1: recovered from his computer until abducting and cooking Kimberly a blueprint.
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  Speaker 6: They only had that one lunch date as proof of surveillance.
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  Speaker 6: They played upon the fears of the jury and they said,
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  Speaker 6: is this the type of guy that you want out
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  Speaker 6: in the streets?
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  Speaker 5: And this is what the jury bought.
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  Speaker 1: But now the question is will the appeals court by it?
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  Speaker 2: Is that enough to put me in prison for the
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  Speaker 2: rest of my life? What crime did I commit?
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  Speaker 1: Coming up?
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  Speaker 6: The law says that you cannot prosecute people based on
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  Speaker 6: their disturbing and sick thoughts.
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  Speaker 1: And a man who knows a cannibal when he sees one.
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  Speaker 8: I interviewed Jeffrey Dahmer.
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  Speaker 1: Former NYPD officer Gil Valley, dubbed the Cannibal cop, accused
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  Speaker 1: of planning to abduct, kill, and cook women, has been
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: found guilty of conspiracy to commit kidnapping and illegally accessing
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: a federal government computer database while behind bars. The Disgrace
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Cops defense team appeals the verdict then the moment they've
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: been waiting for, the appeals court decision is in.
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  Speaker 5: This is elation, This is complete vindication.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Stunningly, gill Valley's conviction is overturned and the judge in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: this case goes on to make this public statement. Moreover
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: than nearly a year long kidnapping conspiracy alleged by the
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: government is one in which no one was ever kidnapped,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: no attempted kidnapping ever took place, and no real world
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: steps were ever taken to kidnap anyone.
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  Speaker 6: The appeals court said, there's no way that you can
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  Speaker 6: prosecute people in this country based on their thoughts alone
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  Speaker 6: without having actions to back it up.
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  Speaker 1: On the verge of tears and walking out of prison
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  Speaker 1: with his parents, the man behind the computer steps out
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  Speaker 1: of the shadows and speaks to the media.
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  Speaker 2: I want to take this opportunity to apologize to everyone
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  Speaker 2: who has been hurt, shot, that offended by my infantile actions.
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  Speaker 6: Not only did we know our client was innocent, but
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  Speaker 6: we really believed.
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  Speaker 5: In the rule of law.
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  Speaker 2: Cops usually don't farewell in prison, right, and that's why
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: they put me in solitary for my protection. There was
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: a total nightmare I want to go home.
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  Speaker 1: Guys, please much at all? Know and our Amy Dash
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: was the only reporter invited inside. When Valley got home
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  Speaker 1: and walked into the loving arms of his mom.
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  Speaker 5: What do you guys have to say? I mean, it's
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: like centific day.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm glad that this is all over in
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: the warm embrace of his dog. During your deal, Gil
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: lost custody of his daughter and his wife filed for divorce.
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  Speaker 4: Have you spoken with your wife since.
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  Speaker 2: You're arrest No, not one word.
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: What do you say to her today? I'm sitting here.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I'm just so incredibly sorry that this all happened. I mean,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: I've you know, I wish we had our old life back.
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  Speaker 3: Do you still go into these chat rooms, these social
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: platforms and discuss these dark fantasies.
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  Speaker 2: No, I don't do role plays anymore. I do occasionally
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: look at pornography. There's nothing unusual about that. But it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: not like the stuff just goes away. It's not like
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: I'm in therapy. I go to therapy once a week.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: It's not like the therapist can say abracadabra or some
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  Speaker 2: magic word and poof everything just goes away. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: these are still part of me.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: But in acquittal doesn't equal innocence, It only means the
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: prosecution failed to prove its case. Isn't it possible though,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: that the prosecutors in this case, the FEDS, the FBI,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: prevented an attack from taking place because they got to
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  Speaker 1: him before he can do it.
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  Speaker 5: For that, you would have to talk to a psychiatrist.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So we did a famous one, forensic psychiatrist, doctor Park Deets.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: He has interviewed some of the most notorious serial killers
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  Speaker 1: and mass murderers, including Jahar sir Naia, the surviving Boston
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  Speaker 1: Marathon bomber, John Hinckley Junior, who attempted to assassinate President
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  Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan in one of America's most famous cannibals, Jeffrey Dahmer,
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  Speaker 1: responsible for the deaths of seventeen boys and men.
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  Speaker 8: Jeffrey Dahmer is one of those rare criminals who actually
• 26:37
  Speaker 8: did consume part of the flesh of his victims.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Deed spent days with Dahmer, who was caught with
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: chopped up body parts stored in his home in Milwaukee.
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  Speaker 8: But the way he went about doing that bore no
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  Speaker 8: resemblance to what Gil and the people he was corresponding
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  Speaker 8: with were talking about.
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  Speaker 1: And the one big difference to be.
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  Speaker 8: A cannibal, one has to eat human flesh. He never
• 27:03
  Speaker 8: did that.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Deed spent two days analyzing the former cop.
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  Speaker 8: People who have secret fantasies and people who are planning
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  Speaker 8: a crime. They're not the same, but they can look
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  Speaker 8: very similar. And there's absolutely no evidence that he ever
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  Speaker 8: carried out any criminal activity with respect to abduction or rape,
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  Speaker 8: or kidnapping, or murder or cannibalism.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, doctor Dee's calls Gil's sexual fantasies more cartoonish
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: than criminal. Then, in a breakthrough moment during the psychiatric examination,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Gil shared with the doctor the origin of his dark
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: fantasies and you'll never believe it. That's right from the
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: comedy movie The Mask.
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  Speaker 8: He had a particular fascination with a scene in the
• 27:54
  Speaker 8: film The Mask in which Cameron Diaz is bound and
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: then rescued by a character played by Jim Carrey. And
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: in that scene she is looking sexy but also bound
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  Speaker 8: and damsel in distress.
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  Speaker 1: Then, from that seemingly silly scene to this, doctor Deeds
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  Speaker 1: also believes Gil poses no threat to women and paints
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  Speaker 1: him as a kind of loser in.
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  Speaker 8: Love, the kind of shy guy who is a little
• 28:27
  Speaker 8: slow to get round to having a sex life at all.
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: In his new book Raw Deal, Gil reveals this shacker
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: about his sexual experience, writing that is the thing about
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: still being a version at twenty five years of age.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: At some point it becomes less about the sex and
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: more about just getting it over with so you don't
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: have to think about it anymore. It's a far cry
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  Speaker 1: from his raunchy online chats.
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  Speaker 8: He's not accountable, never was in my view, never will be.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Now in his thirties and working construction, Gil is still online,
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  Speaker 1: but this time surfing the dating sites. He's traded his
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: online moniker Gruel meat Hunter for Amicable one fourteen, and
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: while he admits he's still turned on by.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: This, there's no cure quote unquote.
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  Speaker 1: There's one thing that totally turns him off smoking, Gil
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: emphatically states on the dating app no way. It appears.
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  Speaker 1: Everybody has their limits, even a guy nicknamed the Cannibal Cop,
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a nickname he'd like to take back into life. He'd
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: like to get back.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: I lost my family, my career. I'll never be able
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: to shake this, this nickname, The cannibal cop. That's all.
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  Speaker 2: It going to stay with me forever, so I have.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Even though I've been exonerated, I've been acquitted, I'm still
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: dealing with all kinds of ripple effects.
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: And while Valley remains a free man, the men once
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: called his co conspirators in the case are not. Christopher Ash,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: a former librarian at a New York City high school,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: and Michael Van heis a mechanic from New Jersey, remain
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: behind bars, facing life in prison. They too, are appealing
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  Speaker 1: their cases. Now we want to hear from you. When
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  Speaker 1: does a sick thought cross the line and become a crime?
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  Speaker 1: Sound off right now on our Facebook page.