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Seconds with Pat Healy · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hey kids, this is just a public service announcement about
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  Speaker 1: this very episode you are listening to right now. So yes,
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  Speaker 1: this week we're going to get to a great segment
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  Speaker 1: with Pat Healy. But first, I've been meaning to get
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  Speaker 1: friend of the show Kate to come on anyway, so
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  Speaker 1: we were both in the same town at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: That usually doesn't happen, so this seemed like as good
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  Speaker 1: a time as any, so that was a great excuse
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  Speaker 1: for us to get together and do an intro for
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  Speaker 1: the show. Little did we know what we had in store.
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  Speaker 1: So we break away from the goings-on of the weekend
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  Speaker 1: at hand, and Kate escapes from her table where she's
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  Speaker 1: selling some great artwork and jewelry, amongst other things. So
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  Speaker 1: by the way, seek her out and support what she does,
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  Speaker 1: cause she's very cool, and she really deserves it after
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  Speaker 1: this episode. Anyway, so we're trying to get away from
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  Speaker 1: all the people and find a quiet corner to record
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  Speaker 1: the intro. Well, it wasn't a corner, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: It was a hallway.
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  Speaker 1: Not just any hallway. but one with big wooden doors
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  Speaker 1: that swing out into that hallway. So here's the public
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  Speaker 1: service announcement. Don't stand near those doors if, for some reason,
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  Speaker 1: you choose to hang out in a similar hallway in
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  Speaker 1: your own lives. Now that may seem fairly obvious and
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  Speaker 1: really wouldn't need to be pointed out to normal people. Well,
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  Speaker 1: Kate and I obviously aren't normal. And so about three
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  Speaker 1: minutes into our conversation, that door opens hard. And, well,
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  Speaker 1: you'll hear the rest. I just wanted to give you
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  Speaker 1: a little heads up here on the type of ridiculousness
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  Speaker 1: that is about to break loose. So be aware. It's coming.
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  Speaker 1: And more impressively, listen how quickly she recovers. That Kate,
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  Speaker 1: she is a trooper. Right back into the conversation. And no,
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  Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't have included this segment if she was
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  Speaker 1: seriously injured. Last I talked to her, she just had
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  Speaker 1: a hardcore bruise going on. And, I mean, maybe a
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  Speaker 1: permanent limp. But whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Whatever.
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  Speaker 1: The point is, she asked me as soon as we
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  Speaker 1: wrapped up if I was going to include that in there.
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, how can I not? I mean,
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  Speaker 1: aside from the fact that she was recovering during the
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  Speaker 1: entire conversation, there's no way around it. But more importantly,
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  Speaker 1: it was kind of amazing. Like, horrible for her. But
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  Speaker 1: just the fact that it happened right there in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the show. I've said it before and I'll
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  Speaker 1: say it again. I'm continually astounded by the places I
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  Speaker 1: go and the moments that I capture on this show.
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  Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm chronicling these ridiculous moments and
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  Speaker 1: along the way also capturing some pretty great conversations. And yes,
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  Speaker 1: Kate said she thought it was funny that it was
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  Speaker 1: all recorded as well and was even kind of looking
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  Speaker 1: forward to hearing it herself in some sick way. So
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  Speaker 1: it's with her blessing that you get to hear all
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  Speaker 1: of this and her yell at that girl who, by
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  Speaker 1: the way, came barreling out of that door.
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  Speaker 4: Anyway, there's your warning.
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  Speaker 1: Use extreme caution when listening to this podcast, specifically if
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  Speaker 1: you have a heart condition or are pregnant. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and also, if you're standing with your pelvis anywhere near
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  Speaker 1: a closed door, also stand with extreme caution. Words to
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  Speaker 1: live by, people.
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  Speaker 4: And now.
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  Speaker 1: On with the show.
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  Speaker 4: It's showtime.
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  Speaker 5: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 5: Picture Association of America. It is intended for mature audiences
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  Speaker 5: and parental discretion is advised.
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  Speaker 6: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 5: What's up and welcome to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 7: I am Brian and I am on location. We are
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  Speaker 7: coming to you live via digital.
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  Speaker 8: Recording from a hallway in the.
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  Speaker 1: Middle of one of those convention things.
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  Speaker 2: More importantly, with.
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  Speaker 9: Me is Kate.
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  Speaker 1: Miss Kate Davis, we're going. So the world will know. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Kate Davis.
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  Speaker 4: Who I am.
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  Speaker 1: World famous. Mistress of the light.
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  Speaker 4: Well, like, regionally.
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  Speaker 10: Regionally known.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like Mistress of the light. I'm going with it.
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  Speaker 1: What's your new billing?
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  Speaker 10: I would actually pay to be called that regularly.
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  Speaker 1: $ 4.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I have a cheap rate.
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  Speaker 1: That's, like, alarmingly low. I take what I can get,
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  Speaker 1: as we've seen with my fundraising effort. I take what
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  Speaker 1: I can get.
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  Speaker 7: So.
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  Speaker 1: I thought while we were here, you were a recent
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  Speaker 1: contributor to our Foilers nominations, proceedings, and I thought it
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  Speaker 1: was nice of you to kick in on that. So
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to have you on the show and say
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  Speaker 1: thank you for doing that.
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  Speaker 10: You want to repaint me by making me speak out loud?
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  Speaker 1: Isn't that a wonderful thing?
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  Speaker 11: Dude, I write and I paint. You think that talking
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  Speaker 11: is my... You've put a.
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  Speaker 1: Couple words together in the last few minutes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You can say words.
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  Speaker 11: I feel like I have to say what just happened, though.
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  Speaker 1: It was entertaining from my end? I don't know that
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  Speaker 1: you enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 11: Well, I was telling him that I literally had just
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  Speaker 11: spilled coffee on myself like not 12 hours ago. And
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  Speaker 11: while I was saying it, I spilled coffee down the
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  Speaker 11: front of my shirt. And then I walked into the
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  Speaker 11: little restaurant, Alcove, whatever that is. And this dude was like,
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  Speaker 11: it happens to everybody, guy.
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  Speaker 10: I was like, thanks. I was like, I hope it's
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  Speaker 10: the color of my shirt when it dries.
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  Speaker 1: You're very special is what we're trying to pass along here.
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  Speaker 10: In like all the ways, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Special.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 10: Super special.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think you're doing just fine.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks.
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  Speaker 4: I really appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: We're very proud of you. I appreciate that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know where I'm supposed to go with that.
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  Speaker 5: Very proud of you.
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  Speaker 1: You're doing just fine. We're all impressed with how you're
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  Speaker 1: walking and caring for yourself.
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  Speaker 10: It's like my mom. She's like, I'm so glad you're
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  Speaker 10: doing laundry now.
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  Speaker 1: Parental. Good for you, honey. Good for you.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, and you kept the cat alive.
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  Speaker 12: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I mean, good going.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Poor cat. Anyway.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, I love my kidders.
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  Speaker 1: So, we usually kick things off talking about movies and stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Have you seen any movies lately?
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  Speaker 13: No.
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  Speaker 10: Great question. Like, literally, you want to know what?
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  Speaker 4: I haven't.
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  Speaker 10: Let me tell you why.
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  Speaker 1: I fall into that category a lot, too. I do
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  Speaker 1: this so much I don't get to watch movies.
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  Speaker 11: What's weird, though, is that I am, like, my friends
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  Speaker 11: worry about me.
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  Speaker 10: I don't go outside.
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  Speaker 11: Sometimes I have to go outside to get, like, vitamin D,
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  Speaker 11: like the good sun kind.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, they make that? Can't they bottle that, too?
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  Speaker 11: They do, but it's, like, synthesized. It's, like, not quite
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  Speaker 11: the same. It doesn't give you the same benefits. Or
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  Speaker 11: maybe it does, and I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just building a big electric light at my house,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to stand in front of that.
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  Speaker 10: I do actually have one.
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  Speaker 11: It's called an OTT light. They're really good for crafting.
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  Speaker 11: They're also, they simulate sunlight.
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  Speaker 1: Special. He's super special.
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  Speaker 10: Super special.
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  Speaker 3: Oh!
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  Speaker 13: Ow!
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  Speaker 4: Sorry.
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  Speaker 10: I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 3: Are you okay?
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 11: Who lives in the room like this?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 10: Are you okay?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you should have done better than
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  Speaker 1: to stand there.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: But that was quite an accident.
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  Speaker 12: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 1: Are you okay?
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  Speaker 13: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I'm so sorry. It's okay.
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  Speaker 10: We'll be over here now.
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  Speaker 4: I think we should relocate.
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  Speaker 10: I'm, like, okay with being here, just not in front
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  Speaker 10: of the door.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 10: It's okay. This has been.
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  Speaker 1: Quite a day for you. I really don't know that
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  Speaker 1: you're going to make it. You think you're going to
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  Speaker 1: get home tonight. Should we see what just happened? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they heard the ruckus.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, well, the door was open directly into my pelvis.
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  Speaker 12: I mean, it was.
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  Speaker 1: Kind of our own fault for standing directly in front
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  Speaker 1: of a door.
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  Speaker 10: Dude, I just spilled coffee on myself. You think I'm
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  Speaker 10: going to notice I'm standing in front of a door?
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  Speaker 1: But then, of course.
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  Speaker 10: And I was trying to tell you why I haven't
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  Speaker 10: watched movies lately. I'm going to get to that. This
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  Speaker 10: is why, okay? So the reason why is with the
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  Speaker 10: con stuff.
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  Speaker 1: That's true.
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  Speaker 10: All I do is I end up listening.
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  Speaker 11: To the movies because I'm painting and I'm writing and
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  Speaker 11: I'm also... I actually had an article due this Saturday...
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  Speaker 11: while I had to get ready for the con.
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  Speaker 2: Nice.
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  Speaker 10: For also Horror Hunt Magazine.
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  Speaker 4: Nice.
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  Speaker 11: So, like, I had, like, this, like, huge weight on
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  Speaker 11: my shoulders, so I'm not going to watch movies because,
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  Speaker 11: you know.
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  Speaker 1: You have work to do.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah, so when I was painting, I listened to the
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  Speaker 10: Jurassic Park audiobook.
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  Speaker 1: That's relatively close.
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  Speaker 10: And it was great.
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  Speaker 1: Does that one just reading, or do they do, like,
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  Speaker 1: does the reader do monster-y, like, dinosaur sound effects?
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  Speaker 10: No, there were no sounds.
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  Speaker 8: No.
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  Speaker 11: Well, he would say, and he roared.
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  Speaker 10: Like, he would get kind of, like, graphic.
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  Speaker 1: Would you make the dinosaur noises?
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  Speaker 13: No.
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  Speaker 10: No, but I did whistle the theme song.
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  Speaker 1: All right, I guess. I really want dinosaur noises is
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  Speaker 1: all I'm saying.
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  Speaker 11: Oh, and then my cat, she just kept getting in
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  Speaker 11: the way and knocking stuff over.
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  Speaker 10: So I wasn't thinking.
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  Speaker 1: About making a dinosaur sound. As I previously mentioned, cats
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  Speaker 1: are trouble, and you can't trust them.
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  Speaker 10: Can you see my hip?
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  Speaker 1: You've been pelvised.
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  Speaker 2: Do you see it?
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  Speaker 1: That's not.
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  Speaker 10: I think it's going to be a bone bruise.
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  Speaker 1: It's sticking out, actually. You might have to have that reinserted.
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  Speaker 11: Well, and everyone was making fun of me yesterday because
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  Speaker 11: I was eating applesauce and everyone else was having, like,
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  Speaker 11: steaks and stuff.
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  Speaker 10: And everyone was like, you're such an old lady. And
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  Speaker 10: I was, like, sitting all, like, huddled over.
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  Speaker 1: I am not.
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  Speaker 10: And then I went to bed at, like, 11 the
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  Speaker 10: night before.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm up for going to bed whenever you want. I
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  Speaker 1: don't drink anything useful. I have coffee. I've kept it
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  Speaker 1: in my cup so far. But that's all really all
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  Speaker 1: I've had this weekend is coffee and cherry coke because
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  Speaker 1: I'm a party animal but oh man i added the
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  Speaker 1: cherry that was pretty hardcore well.
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  Speaker 11: I like really throw it off right now i can't
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  Speaker 11: imagine why like my like my hip is just throbbing
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  Speaker 11: in a I feel like I should call 911 or something.
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  Speaker 1: It's kind of Final Destination. I'm waiting for something else
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  Speaker 1: to come and, like, lop your head off or something.
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  Speaker 11: And I'm, like, expecting, like, just, like, someone to hit
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  Speaker 11: me with a dolly or, like, push me down.
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  Speaker 10: Some stairs I don't see.
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  Speaker 1: Just turn around.
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  Speaker 12: Huh?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, yeah. Two by four.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen that many a movie.
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  Speaker 11: I actually did see a guy get brained in the
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  Speaker 11: head with a two by four once.
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  Speaker 1: Nice. Were you holding this 2x4?
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  Speaker 4: No, no.
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  Speaker 11: I was like 10 feet away, so I saw the
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  Speaker 11: whole thing unfold.
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  Speaker 1: It's a 2x4 attack, I've heard. Yeah.
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  Speaker 11: And the one guy was like super tall, so it
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  Speaker 11: like really beamed him in the head.
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  Speaker 12: Nice.
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  Speaker 1: It was good. This is fun.
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  Speaker 12: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I did see a movie this weekend. And I wouldn't...
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I would go on and on
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  Speaker 1: about it if it wasn't very good, but I was surprised. Well,
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  Speaker 1: I hardly ever see movies at these because I get
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  Speaker 1: sidetracked and I don't do anything.
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  Speaker 10: I don't think I've ever seen one.
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  Speaker 12: I know.
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  Speaker 1: As I went in there, I got suckered in by the...
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  Speaker 1: person i was with earlier and i was like all
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  Speaker 1: right whatever i don't have anything to do for an
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  Speaker 1: hour and a half sure so there's a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the short films that are i like short films but
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  Speaker 1: some people are making short films and no i know
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  Speaker 1: they need to not be making sure but um then
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  Speaker 1: there was a movie called uh blood sucking bastards really
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  Speaker 1: which is sort of misleading because you've I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: guess not, because it is mostly a comedy.
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  Speaker 10: Sounds like an MST.
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  Speaker 1: But it seems like it would be very bad. And
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  Speaker 1: the thing is, it's really smartly written. Like, I was
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  Speaker 1: surprised how smart, especially because it's a comedy. Because like that,
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  Speaker 1: more than anything, is hard to write. And especially to
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  Speaker 1: get the timing right and then find the right actors
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  Speaker 1: to be able to deliver it right, all of which worked.
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  Speaker 1: So for like an independent movie, this was really well
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  Speaker 1: put together, really smartly written. And just genuinely funny. Like,
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  Speaker 1: I was surprised how funny it was.
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  Speaker 7: How long?
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  Speaker 1: It's a full-length movie. Like, hour and a half-ish.
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  Speaker 2: Really?
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  Speaker 10: And it's new.
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  Speaker 1: Somewhere in that neighborhood. And that's what I was going
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  Speaker 1: to say. As far as I know, like, most of
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  Speaker 1: the ones here, a lot of them haven't even been
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  Speaker 1: picked up yet. So I don't know if it's out
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  Speaker 1: there in the world yet.
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  Speaker 12: Weird.
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  Speaker 1: If so, go hit the Google right now and go
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  Speaker 1: search for it. Because it's worth checking out. Especially if
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  Speaker 1: you like horror comedy, which is a delicate balance anyway.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 10: I feel like that's only been... done well maybe four.
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  Speaker 1: Times yeah it's it's tough three of those are Shaun
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  Speaker 1: of the Dead that's what I was gonna say I
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  Speaker 1: compared it yesterday as I was talking to you I
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  Speaker 1: compared it to a very Shaun of the Dead vibe
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  Speaker 1: especially it's set in an office so you've got well.
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  Speaker 11: Dad and Breakfast I think that was that was fun
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  Speaker 11: yeah it like wasn't genuinely like Shaun of the Dead
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  Speaker 11: actually has like good.
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  Speaker 10: Kind of like oh shit parts.
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  Speaker 1: Well it works on both ends is what's awesome about
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  Speaker 1: it like it legitimately is a good horror movie and it's.
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  Speaker 10: Fun I'm like happy Simon Pegg is like famous now
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  Speaker 10: But at the same time, like, yeah.
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: You know Scotty.
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  Speaker 10: Like, I just feel like I just wish that we
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  Speaker 10: could have him back. Because he was, like, a really
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  Speaker 10: good representative.
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  Speaker 1: He still makes a lot of weird little indie movies,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like. Because I'll see a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 1: come out and go, like, when did he do this?
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know if he just does it on
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  Speaker 1: his downtime or they've been sitting on him for a
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  Speaker 1: couple years. But, like, a lot of stuff turned up lately.
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  Speaker 10: I mean, that's, like, what he's into.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Which is another amazing performance.
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  Speaker 10: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's pretty awesome. So that's my, you know, underground pick
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  Speaker 1: of the week. I don't know how out there it is,
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  Speaker 1: but definitely look for it.
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  Speaker 11: My underground pick of the week is Jurassic Park on audiobook,
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  Speaker 11: which you can find on YouTube. And it's read by
• 13:17
  Speaker 11: a very annoying man who says words wrong. And also
• 13:22
  Speaker 11: the kids in the book are way more annoying than
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  Speaker 11: they are in the movie.
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  Speaker 10: So there's your.
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  Speaker 1: Since you like talking into mics so much, how about
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  Speaker 1: if we get you to read the book and then
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  Speaker 1: you can create your own audio book?
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  Speaker 11: What's weird is like I'm kind of good at talking,
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  Speaker 11: but then when I read out loud, it's kind of
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  Speaker 11: a different story.
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  Speaker 1: I get that.
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  Speaker 10: Unless it's like a short paragraph. Oh, and then it
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  Speaker 10: gets real monotone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I'm.
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: I'm like somewhere in the middle. Like this, I just
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: ramble on and it's fine and I don't have to
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: think about it.
• 13:51
  Speaker 11: Like for me, I would be like, this is Jurassic
• 13:52
  Speaker 11: Park and now this is the part where the dinosaur goes, yeah,
• 13:55
  Speaker 11: and then the man says, we have a T-Rex.
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: I'm worse when I have to sit there by myself
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: and like do a little setup for the show.
• 14:01
  Speaker 10: Really?
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: But wait, I talk all day long and have no issues.
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: But now that I have to do it and there's
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: nothing else going on, I'm like, wait, what am I
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: supposed to say? Oh, I screwed that up too. So yeah,
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: I'm so much better just kind of rolling with it.
• 14:14
  Speaker 1: And that's how we ended up in this hallway where
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: you're getting pelvis.
• 14:16
  Speaker 7: Oh, God.
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 14:18
  Speaker 10: I'm like, I kind of, oh, at least like when,
• 14:21
  Speaker 10: because I'm supposed to be on my table right now
• 14:23
  Speaker 10: and my friend is watching it.
• 14:24
  Speaker 11: And so when I get back, she's going to sass
• 14:27
  Speaker 11: me and I'm going to be like, listen, I.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Got like brain. I'm making it a word. If you
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: get brain when you didn't have, you got pelvis. So
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: that's true.
• 14:34
  Speaker 10: I'm not going to try that.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: If you learn nothing from this little exchange, this hallway
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: of doom that you're in.
• 14:42
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 14:43
  Speaker 11: I don't like it here in the hallway. I bet
• 14:46
  Speaker 11: some stupid guy threw up in this trash can.
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I got to share this hallway with you.
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: It's a magical experience.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 14:56
  Speaker 11: Everywhere I go, fun fact, everywhere.
• 14:59
  Speaker 10: I go, I tend to see people throw up, and
• 15:01
  Speaker 10: I have a huge phobia of it.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I don't like this at all.
• 15:04
  Speaker 10: I haven't thrown up in 15 years.
• 15:05
  Speaker 7: Oh, Lord.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: We're getting into Seinfeld territory. We are.
• 15:07
  Speaker 7: I know.
• 15:08
  Speaker 10: Actually, everyone's always like, the cookie. And I'm like, I know.
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: Stay away from the black and white cookie.
• 15:11
  Speaker 10: Well, and I can't have gluten, so.
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, you need like double gluten. See what happens.
• 15:15
  Speaker 10: I think I should probably be capped in a glass case.
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: Maybe so.
• 15:18
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: Do we at least get an in case of emergency
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: little metal breaker?
• 15:23
  Speaker 10: Like to break my throat and open?
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't break the glass.
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: In case there's like a fire or something, we need.
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: To get you to escape.
• 15:30
  Speaker 10: Oh, I thought you meant like to force me to
• 15:31
  Speaker 10: throw up. I was like, I don't like this at all.
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: This is really gross. No, I don't like that at all.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I was trying to get an escape plan for you
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: because I'm assuming wherever you are, probably a fire will
• 15:41
  Speaker 1: break out. Knowing the way things go with you.
• 15:43
  Speaker 11: Oh, actually, when I was in New Orleans, we had
• 15:49
  Speaker 11: a hotel room. It was a family vacation like a
• 15:51
  Speaker 11: long time ago. Not that long ago, actually. And we
• 15:54
  Speaker 11: had like an adjoining room. And I turned the fan
• 15:56
  Speaker 11: on and I went to bed and I put my
• 15:57
  Speaker 11: earplugs in because there were like construction workers.
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: Sounds like trouble.
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 16:01
  Speaker 11: One of my earplugs fell out in the night, and
• 16:02
  Speaker 11: I woke up. It sounded like some weird dude was
• 16:04
  Speaker 11: snapping in my bathroom.
• 16:06
  Speaker 13: I know.
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: This really is Final Destination.
• 16:09
  Speaker 10: And so I was like, who's snapping in my bathroom?
• 16:12
  Speaker 10: And so I opened up the door.
• 16:14
  Speaker 1: Sort of doo-wop group? Yeah.
• 16:16
  Speaker 11: Well, I opened the bathroom, and I was ready to
• 16:18
  Speaker 11: just kick some guy. And it looked like there was
• 16:21
  Speaker 11: a flaming ashtray in the toilet. And what I realized
• 16:25
  Speaker 11: had happened was the fan that I turned on in
• 16:27
  Speaker 11: the bathroom caught on fire in the ventilation ducts. melted, well, fallen,
• 16:32
  Speaker 11: and then melted through the toilet. And it was actually
• 16:35
  Speaker 11: fire crackling, not a man snapping. And then the whole
• 16:38
  Speaker 11: hotel was evacuated, and it was during that Big Ten thing. Oh,
• 16:41
  Speaker 11: and Sum 41 and Tom Green were there.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Were you standing next to all of them? Because I
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: would like to see that little motley crew standing.
• 16:48
  Speaker 11: No, but I saw Tom Green so many times that
• 16:50
  Speaker 11: week that he started waving to me by the end
• 16:52
  Speaker 11: of it.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: He really has nothing else to do. He's Tom Green.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: He was just in our town like two weeks before that. Really? Yeah,
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: he was just passing through ours too.
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: He's all over the place.
• 17:02
  Speaker 10: Well, don't take away my Tom Green specialty.
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've never seen Tom Green.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: I don't know what you're talking about.
• 17:06
  Speaker 10: Well, what's weird is he's really gross looking.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: He's a weird looking dude.
• 17:11
  Speaker 12: In person.
• 17:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:12
  Speaker 10: Some 41 all tiny and weird.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: They were always weird looking dudes. But they keep marrying up,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: I suppose.
• 17:18
  Speaker 10: No, I don't think so.
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean... They were.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: In star category. Because I'm like, there kind of has been.
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: There's no offense to them.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: But how are they still marrying people who are in
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: the entertainment industry currently? I'm like, shouldn't they be red flag? Hey, whoa,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: what am I doing with this guy?
• 17:33
  Speaker 11: Well, and then the one fella and his alcoholism.
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: That's also a problem.
• 17:38
  Speaker 10: He got way almost dead.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: Just say no to booze, kids.
• 17:42
  Speaker 12: Oh, yeah.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: No. And throwing up.
• 17:44
  Speaker 10: Yeah, no, especially the second one.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: And setting fires. And the third.
• 17:46
  Speaker 10: And the third. But the first one, if you can
• 17:48
  Speaker 10: swing it, go for it.
• 17:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: So the moral is you're never safe.
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: Your room could catch on fire at any given moment,
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: even if you didn't do anything. And it probably isn't
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: a guy snapping in the bathroom, just so you know.
• 18:00
  Speaker 11: Not a man snapping in your bathroom that you previously
• 18:03
  Speaker 11: had bolted shut.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: Or, you know.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Where do you want to tell people? Because you have
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: awesome things and awesome words.
• 18:12
  Speaker 10: Oh, by the way, I write for more.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: You should probably tell people those things.
• 18:15
  Speaker 10: This is why you should have listened to me talk
• 18:17
  Speaker 10: about Jurassic Park.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: No, I like all the other stuff. But I feel
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: like you should be able to tell people.
• 18:21
  Speaker 10: Okay, so facebook.com slash Kate Dangerously.
• 18:23
  Speaker 11: That's my art and writing page. And you can find
• 18:27
  Speaker 11: my art and my writing, surprisingly, there. Sometimes pictures of me.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I think we should get a picture of you next
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: to this door that almost published you.
• 18:36
  Speaker 10: What do you mean almost?
• 18:37
  Speaker 13: Well.
• 18:38
  Speaker 7: Technically, it did.
• 18:38
  Speaker 10: Thoroughly did.
• 18:39
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: We'll have to see if you have a limp from
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: here on out because this will be a hell of
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: a story.
• 18:45
  Speaker 10: I'm not going to joke.
• 18:46
  Speaker 11: I actually really hurt. A, it scared me, and B,
• 18:50
  Speaker 11: it genuinely hurt.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: It was disturbing. I just want to look. It's not good, people.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: It's purple.
• 19:00
  Speaker 7: It's blue.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: Is it really?
• 19:01
  Speaker 7: It's bleeding.
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: Don't even.
• 19:02
  Speaker 10: It's not bleeding. My porcelain skin.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: Damn it. She's dying. I guess we should wrap up
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: here and go talk to Pat Healy, who is awesome,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: by the way.
• 19:11
  Speaker 10: Yeah, he's the sweetest.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Let's go do that.
• 19:14
  Speaker 14: And flowers might will when we walk past. And self-help
• 19:19
  Speaker 14: might help when it makes us laugh.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Only finding questions and answers. You and I are just
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: walking disasters. You and.
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: I are just walking disasters.
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Just walking disasters.
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: She only finds her love in a downtown school.
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: School They come from another world, spawned in the light
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: years of space Unleashed to take over the bodies and
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: souls of the people of our planet Bringing a new
• 19:59
  Speaker 5: dimension in terror to the giant super scope screen Whatever
• 20:03
  Speaker 5: intelligence or instinct it is that can govern the forming
• 20:06
  Speaker 5: of human flesh and blood out of thin air is.
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: Beyond any comprehension.
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: A cursed, dreadful, malevolent thing was happening to those he loved.
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: This isn't just an ordinary body, is it?
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: I never saw one like it.
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: It looks....
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: Unused.
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: The sensational star discovery of the view from Pompey's head.
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: And now an undreamed-of horror makes her life and love
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: a vortex of fear. Suddenly, while you're asleep, they'll absorb
• 20:44
  Speaker 5: your minds, your memories.
• 20:47
  Speaker 7: I don't want any part of it.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: You're forgetting something, Miles.
• 20:50
  Speaker 12: What's that?
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: You have no choice.
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: From city to city, an incredible hysterical panic spreads. As
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: the unimaginable becomes real, the impossible becomes true. Stop and listen!
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: Stop and listen!
• 21:05
  Speaker 5: Listen!
• 21:06
  Speaker 10: Listen!
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: Listen to me!
• 21:07
  Speaker 10: They're not human!
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Stop!
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• 22:20
  Speaker 15: That's part of your problem, you know.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: You haven't seen enough movies. All of life's riddles are
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: answered in the movies.
• 22:27
  Speaker 15: And now, on.
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: With the show.
• 22:50
  Speaker 16: I know you've come a long way, baby But you
• 22:55
  Speaker 16: don't need that heart of stone, no You.
• 22:58
  Speaker 14: Proved that you can do it, so do it, baby
• 23:03
  Speaker 14: You can make it on your.
• 23:07
  Speaker 16: Own But you can't keep running away from love Cause
• 23:13
  Speaker 16: the first one lets you down.
• 23:15
  Speaker 5: No, no, no.
• 23:17
  Speaker 11: And the others try to satisfy.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: You, baby.
• 23:21
  Speaker 14: With me, true love can still be found. Love can
• 23:25
  Speaker 14: still be found. The second time around.
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: Ooh.
• 23:32
  Speaker 16: The second time is so much better, baby.
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: The second time.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: All right, so we are here with Pat Healy.
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: Hello.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: I've watched you on the screen for years now.
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: I thought you were going to say since I was
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: a little baby.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Since lurking about outside your house. No, I was just
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: going to kind of go into a little bit of
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: how you got into things. So you were Chicago?
• 24:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I grew up in the suburbs of Chicago. And,
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: you know, I was always a movie freak with my brothers.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: I have three brothers. And ever since I was a
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: little kid, I loved the movies. And I seemed to
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: especially love the sort of cult movies and things that
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: were not easy to come by back in those days
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: before cable television and home video, God forbid, if you're
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: going to remember.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Definitely. Pre-cable was almost impossible.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so I started there. We lived in New
• 24:40
  Speaker 4: Jersey for like four years when I was in fifth
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: to eighth grade, sort of junior high school years. And
• 24:46
  Speaker 4: then I was back in the suburbs of Chicago, went
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: to high school, did theater in high school. Went to
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: Illinois State University in normal Illinois, downstate, in the middle
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: of the cornfields. where I studied theater, which was also
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: the birthplace of Steppenwolf Theater Company in Chicago, which is
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: a big theater company, and John Malkovich and Joan Allen,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: Gary Sinise, John Mahoney, those people came from. And I
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: got an internship there through my school and sort of
• 25:16
  Speaker 4: got my career start there.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: I got a.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Couple of understudy roles and went on stage. There was
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: an understudy, and then at the end of my year there,
• 25:26
  Speaker 4: I got cast in a play, A Clockwork Orange at Steppenwolf,
• 25:29
  Speaker 4: And just through my association with them, I was able
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: to get an agent, and that agent luckily had an
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: office in L.A. So when I moved to L.A., I
• 25:39
  Speaker 4: was pretty much set right up and got right into
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: the business.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So was it always... acting like that was just something you.
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: Were drawn to it was always filmmaking you know and
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: loving movies but acting was just like when I was
• 25:55
  Speaker 9: a kid it's not it isn't like it is now
• 25:58
  Speaker 9: where everyone has computers and cameras we did have a
• 26:01
  Speaker 9: super 8 camera and we made little things but really
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: that's what I knew how to do and I also
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: do have that part of my.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: Personality that is you know, that likes to show off
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and is social and is a ham and, you know,
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: danced around the records around the house. And my parents,
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: you know, encouraged me to do plays, which I wanted
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: to do and stuff like that. It's funny, I remember
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: the first play that I did was for the Park
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: District in Arlington Heights, Illinois, where I grew up. And
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: it was like a play about all the monsters. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: I played the Wolfman. I remember that. So here we
• 26:31
  Speaker 4: are full circle all these years later.
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: So it is one of those like watching, and I
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: see more of this now, and maybe just because I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: pay more attention to it now, but.
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: Watching like actors sort of build a career.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: And I've been more, again, I try to watch more
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: stuff based out of LA, which is its own world.
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: More than you want to deal with probably sometimes.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: But I mean, it is interesting watching people that just
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: can become a working actor and really can just find
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: that as this is my job and I don't necessarily
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: have to you know, work of waiter job and I
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: don't have to do something else.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 27:07
  Speaker 4: And that way I've been fortunate. It's been 20 years,
• 27:09
  Speaker 4: you know, and, and, you know, it's been about, I guess,
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: 17 years since I've had to have any kind of job, um, and, uh,
• 27:18
  Speaker 4: you know, real job. And, you know, LA is not easy, certainly,
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: but I've, I've done it. And, you know, most interestingly
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: in the last 10 years is when people have offered
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: me these leads in these smaller films, which has built my,
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: career as an actor I mean I have another career
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: as a screenwriter so I do supplement my income that
• 27:37
  Speaker 4: way but you know the smaller movies don't pay a
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: lot but they pay off a lot in sort of
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: you know building a reputation for myself and building a
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: career for myself and all that so and getting my
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: name out there more it's like you know people I
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: think for many years knew my face from little parts
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: in TV shows and stuff like that but Um, now, uh,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: you know, people know my name, you know, put the names.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: Of the face and build a career as just one
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: of those guys that absolutely documentary. And it's like, I
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: know that phase. Yeah.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: You make good money that way. And I was content
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: with that to a certain point. And then I wasn't,
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: it wasn't, I was sort of making lateral moves. I wasn't,
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: nobody was ever knowing my name and it wasn't like
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: this drive to be famous, but I knew that if
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: I wanted to, to hold onto a place in an,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: in this industry, cause it's harder and harder to do
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: that now without being a name. just because of the
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: way the business has gone and the economics of it
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: and everything, that I needed to kind of... Luckily, the
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: screenwriting picked up, so I was able to make money
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: that way. Then I could go and do Great World
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: of Sound, Compliance, Cheap Thrills, Innkeepers, because I can disappear
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: for a month and go and do that and not
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: worry about pulling in money or losing money or whatever
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: because my income is being supplemented.
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: I think those indie reveals... can give you the chance
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: you know because you're not necessarily going to just immediately
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: be picked up and be the lead in the next
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: big Marvel movie but you know if you can work
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: your way in that's their problem yeah which I mean
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: you'll be Captain America in the next.
• 29:10
  Speaker 8: One right you already worked your way into the second
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: one well it's hinted at I don't know if you
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: stay after the credits there's a scene and then there's
• 29:18
  Speaker 8: ten minutes of blank screen and then there's another scene
• 29:21
  Speaker 8: after that that introduces that idea.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: And then you want to go and shove Chris Evans
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: out of the way.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: And take that mask and you're like, aha.
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: I assume that's coming.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: That's how it works.
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: But I didn't want to say that I was going
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: to ask your opinion on like, because there are kids
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: that just sort of fall into that and somehow they
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: become a lead in a major motion picture and it's
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: like you had the benefit of, like, 17 years of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: working in the industry. Do you think had it just
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: some sort of happenstance and you were thrown into a lead,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: would you have been prepared for it that long?
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: No, it feels that it's worked the way– it worked
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: out the way that it was supposed to. I really
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: didn't feel that I had– even though I was working
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: and making a career of this, I really didn't feel
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: that I knew what I was doing until about 10
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: years ago. And that was like, I was in my
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: early thirties and I went down to do a great
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: world of sound with Craig's elbow. And there I was
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: like being asked to carry a movie for the first time,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: which I hadn't done. But for some reason I knew
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: I had the confidence to do, I think mostly cause
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Craig and David Green had confidence, you know, in me
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: to do it. And, um, you know, then I could
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: like start looking at the work and going like, Oh,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: that's good. You know? And, working with these good filmmakers that,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: you know, show you off. Well, oftentimes you go and
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: work on a television show, you got, you know, audition.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: And then the next day you're working and it's like,
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: you know, pages and pages of dialogues. It's not like
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: a lot of preparation time. So great world of sound
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: was the first time that I was something that I had,
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: you know, many, many months before I was able to
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: work on. And I've had, that's been the case with, uh,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: to varying degrees with compliance and, and with, with, uh,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: innkeepers and sheep thrills too.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 6: I mean, it seems like everything since then you, you've
• 30:53
  Speaker 6: had great roles and as you said like i logged
• 30:56
  Speaker 6: you know 30 hours of television i've probably done you
• 30:59
  Speaker 6: know i don't know how many is at least as many.
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: Movies and yeah um you know you just log time
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: in front of the camera and you're not trained as
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: an actor so that kind of stuff is the stuff
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: that comes naturally i think as you get older and
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: you're more experienced and more in touch with your feelings
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: and things that's the kind of stuff that's easier and
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: then you've done the sort of Malcolm Webwell 10,000 hour
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: rule of how to work on a movie set and
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: where the camera is and what works and what doesn't.
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Especially if you've watched what you've done and been properly
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: you know humbled and or humiliated by it then you
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: know you you get better at.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: It and more important watched everybody else i think that
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: everybody absolutely such an important key is watching everybody i've.
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: Done that since i was a kid oh on the set.
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: Just on that set watching everybody absolutely figuring out what
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: your place is in this.
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: Completely even when you're an actor you're you are just
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: one of many cogs in the wheel and so yeah
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: i don't think i would have I don't think– I mean, look,
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: if I was going to, somebody would have offered me
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: something right off the gate.
• 32:01
  Speaker 12: Obviously, you didn't. And they didn't.
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: But, you know, I don't think it was because I
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: was bad. I just think I'm not a type. I'm
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: not a specific thing that people were looking for. They
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: know they like it when they see it kind of thing.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: But it's like, you know, it's been a little more
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: difficult for me. But in a way, it's been much
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: better because I think, A, I wouldn't have been as good. And, B,
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: I had to go through a lot in my life.
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: You know, essentially, we all have to grow up. Yeah.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: I think if I had gotten, and I've watched younger
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: people get it too soon and watch it destroy them,
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: and I've had friends that have been lucky enough to
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: come back, but who really started as child actors or
• 32:37
  Speaker 4: very young, and it really screwed them up because there's
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: all this attention all of a sudden, and they're not
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: mature enough to handle it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: It's a tough road.
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: So I feel grateful that it's come to me later
• 32:48
  Speaker 4: in life because... I know how to handle it. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: know I'm not going to do something stupid to derail myself,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Well, and you picked up a lot of stuff on
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: some pretty impressive movies early on, too.
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, Magnolia, you know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're working with Paul Thomas Anderson, Julianne Moore, and,
• 33:05
  Speaker 4: you know, all these other people are around, you know.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I've certainly, like, rehearsed. We did a whole day of
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: rehearsal for anyone that worked with Julianne. So, you know,
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I spent the whole day with Phil Hoffman and Michael
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: Murphy and all these people that I, you know, really...
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: it worshiped and admired and got to see how they worked. And, um,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: that was, you know, pretty remarkable to see like top
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: notch people, you know, Robert Elswit, you know, Mark Bridges,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: like all these people that, that, you know, they were
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: kind of really getting their, you know, start, you know,
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Paul had made a few movies and, you know, but,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: but they were all, you know, certainly top, you know,
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: class top flight professionals. And so, yeah, I got to,
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: do a lot of that stuff, you know, really early.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: You know, I was part of the whole John Hughes
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: machine in Chicago doing Home Alone 3, which is like
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: a well-oiled machine by that point.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: I would think, yeah, at that point.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: And Roger Gosnell, who's a big director now, had just
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: been the editor on the other films and, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: was directing for the first time. And even like Marion Seldes,
• 34:08
  Speaker 4: who was like this great, you know, amazing, she passed
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: away recently, you know, New York theater actress, legendary really,
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: was on that film, you know, just watching someone like that.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: or being able to have a conversation with Jason Robards
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: for a few minutes, you know, he was, that was
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: his last movie. He was actually, he was dying, you know, when, uh, he, um,
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: when he was making the movie and, and, you know,
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: the one time I got to meet him, I was
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: just telling him, you know, how much of a, I
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: don't know if I use the word fan. I don't
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: know what I said, but you know how much I
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: admired his work and talked about some of the movies.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: And he said, uh, and he was walking around everywhere
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: with an oxygen tank, you know, And he said, movies.
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: That's just pulling faces. He goes, the theater, that's where
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: it's at. And he was really like, he really meant it.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: He really didn't like, you know, take that seriously. And,
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: you know, it wasn't difficult for him, you know. And
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: he won two Academy Awards. So, I don't know. There's
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: some kind of wisdom in there.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: That's impressive.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: But it's, I don't know, to me it's just such
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: a different art form. Like there's so much more that
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: you can do. in each field just on its own terms.
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, theater has its own groove and like
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you get into it and it works as its own animal.
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: And I like doing that but if I was only
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: interested in acting I think I would be a theater
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: actor but because I'm interested in filmmaking and I see
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: myself as another, whether I'm acting or writing or, you know,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: in these independent productions I usually have some other kind
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: of job on the set just the way they work out.
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: You know, and I've directed some shorts and I hope
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: maybe I'll direct a feature in a few years but, Um, I, uh, I,
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: I know how it all works. I wouldn't say I
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: know how to do all of it, but I know
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: how it all works and, and I know how to
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: be a part of it and I'm interested in all
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: of it. So it makes it people, some people are like, oh,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: film acting is so boring. You're sitting around all the
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: time and it's like, not if you're engaged and interested
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: in the process, you know, there's always something to, to
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: see and learn and glean, you know, it can be
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: because the days are long, but for me it's like,
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: you know, being in a, you know, being in a
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: playhouse cause that that's, you know, That's like a kid
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: in a candy store as far as I'm concerned.
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's what it is. It's like the film
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: aspect adds so much more to it or can if
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: you're doing it right. And I think especially, again, almost
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: drawn more to the smaller movies where if you're personally
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: invested in it, even as an actor, if you're invested
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: in what's going on, you are working on it all
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: the time.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It's not downtime all day long because you're all making
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: sure everything works.
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, in these smaller movies, she thrills, you know,
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: I don't have downtime. There's almost no... time I'm not
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: on screen so I'm always there and we're moving so
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: quickly that you know it's not you know there's not
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: a trailer to sit around in anyway one of.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: The other earlier ones I wanted to hit just because
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: I'm a huge Terry Zweigoff fan yeah I think the
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: guy's so underrated yeah he's amazing such a great filmmaker
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: so I don't know what I guess how did you
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: get involved in that one and then what was it
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: I was a huge fan of Dan Clowes in 8
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: Ball Comics and Ghost World was part of that and
• 37:13
  Speaker 4: so Cassandra Koulikundis, who cast Magnolia, actually cast Ghost World, too.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: And so she brought me in on that, and I
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: was super excited. And I just went in and kind
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: of geeked out on them, I guess. Dan was living
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: in Chicago at the time he wrote that, so the
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: character that I played was kind of based on a
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: guy or a series of guys that worked in a
• 37:34
  Speaker 4: comic book store that I used to go to.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: I knew it well and I walked in there and
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: just did it. That was like one of two times
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: in my whole life where I was, you know, hired
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: right there in the room. It doesn't happen that often.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: And those guys were amazing. They worked as a great
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: team together. And obviously I loved, I was a fan
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: of Dan's, but I loved Crumb. And Terry was great.
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: And that was a great experience, you know. And that was,
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: you know, that movie's a great legendary cult movie now, too.
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: A lot of these movies that I, you know, and
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: it'll be a natural segue into what we're going to
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: talk about, too, is like cult movies are movies that,
• 38:17
  Speaker 4: you know, don't have as large of an audience, generally speaking,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: but the audiences for them are rabid, you know, and
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: the film's reputation's built over the years. And when I
• 38:25
  Speaker 4: was a kid, like I said, we didn't have a
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: VCR until I was 13, 14 years old, and we
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: didn't have cable until I was, you know, maybe 11, 12.
• 38:35
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: And then a lot of these films in this book,
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Danny Peary's cult movies book, I think he wrote three
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: of them in Guide for the Film Fanatic. They were
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: things you just read about and you had to hunt down.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: You couldn't find Eraserhead. I mean, I didn't see Eraserhead
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: until it was re-released in the theater when I was 23,
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: 24 years old. But that was like, you had to
• 38:57
  Speaker 4: find these movies. And I was like, wow, that sounds amazing.
• 39:02
  Speaker 4: And a lot of those films became important and I
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: it's maybe no accident although it wasn't planned that i
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: ended up being someone who mostly appears in films like
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: that but like but one of those films i can't
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: remember it's in the first book or not was was
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: um seconds john frankenheimer seconds and that uh was a
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: movie that wasn't available even on dvd until i want
• 39:25
  Speaker 4: to say the mid to late 90s And I saw it,
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: I finally saw it after knowing about it since I
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: was a kid. I mean, it was literally nowhere you
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: could see it unless you lived in a major city
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: and they happened to show it at a rep house,
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: but I don't ever remember even that happening. I saw
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: it on Turner Classic Movies, I think, one night, really
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: late at night, which is kind of a great time
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: to see that movie because... It's the ultimate nightmare film
• 39:51
  Speaker 4: as far as I'm concerned.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: It's its own weird mystical state of mind.
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Well, we can roll into this week's movie.
• 39:58
  Speaker 7: It's time for Sofa Theater.
• 40:11
  Speaker 12: Rock Hudson, in an astonishing change of pace, stars in Seconds.
• 40:21
  Speaker 12: Rock Hudson as a second, freed from all responsibilities, now
• 40:27
  Speaker 12: ready to taste new pleasures. Rock Hudson as a man
• 40:42
  Speaker 12: who buys for himself a totally new life, a chance
• 40:46
  Speaker 12: to begin again. Every man's dream since time began. Rock Hudson,
• 40:53
  Speaker 12: as a man who lives the nightmare of being a second.
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: Why are you all staring at me like that?
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: Hey, John.
• 41:02
  Speaker 16: Hey, John.
• 41:03
  Speaker 10: Hey, John.
• 41:05
  Speaker 17: Why are they.
• 41:05
  Speaker 13: Staring at me like that?
• 41:08
  Speaker 7: They know.
• 41:09
  Speaker 13: They know what?
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: They're like you. Reborn.
• 41:29
  Speaker 18: It took seconds of your time to take his life,
• 41:33
  Speaker 18: it took seconds.
• 41:34
  Speaker 14: It took seconds of your.
• 41:38
  Speaker 18: Time to take his life, it took seconds It took
• 41:46
  Speaker 18: seconds of your.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Time to take his life. Seconds of your time to
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: take his life.
• 41:58
  Speaker 13: Seconds.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's from 1966. It's a John Frankenheimer film, and
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: he was a great director, one of my favorites. Starring
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: Rock Hudson in black and white. Photographed by the great
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: James Wong Howe. Photographed like a nightmare.
• 42:13
  Speaker 15: That it is.
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: And I guess, I don't know if we can talk
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: about this movie without being spoilers. Well, I usually throw
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: that out.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: So I know the plot according to IMDb, and we'll
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: throw the spoiler alert out now, because it does go
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: into weird stuff already. An unhappy middle-aged banker agrees to
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a procedure that will fake his death and give him
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: a completely new look and identity, one that comes with
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: its own price.
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: There you go.
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: Not that bad.
• 42:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so John Randolph, who was a great older character actor,
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: and he's middle-aged in that movie, has a dead end job.
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: I mean, he has a good job and had a
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: nice house in the suburbs of New York, but you know,
• 42:47
  Speaker 4: it's a boring job in a bank and he's in
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: a loveless marriage and his daughter has grown up and
• 42:52
  Speaker 4: moved out and doesn't really speak to them anymore. And
• 42:55
  Speaker 4: he gets a call one night from a friend of
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: his who he thinks is dead, who's died in a fire,
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: who says, you know, you can turn your whole life
• 43:03
  Speaker 4: around and, and, you know, um, get involved with this
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: program and, uh, you know, I'm recommending you for it.
• 43:09
  Speaker 7: And all that.
• 43:10
  Speaker 4: And he decides to check it out cause he's so miserable.
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:13
  Speaker 4: And it's a program where they, they fake your death
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: with a cadaver in a fire. Uh, and they give
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: you complete reconstructive plastic surgery and they give you an
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: entirely new life. One of sort of your own choosing
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: something that would make you quote unquote happy somewhere else.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: So he gets plastic surgery, and he looks like Rock Hudson, who,
• 43:34
  Speaker 4: for people that don't know, was the George Clooney, Brad
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Pitt of that time. And they move him to Malibu,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: and he's an artist named Tony Wilson. And from the get-go,
• 43:49
  Speaker 4: it's miserable. And, you know, basic idea of the movie is,
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: you know, you can't escape yourself and who you are inside.
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: Nothing like that is going to change that. And he's
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: He's the same miserable guy that he was when he
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: was living at home. It's not the situation he was in.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: It's who he is inside as a person.
• 44:05
  Speaker 15: Your studio is in Malibu, California.
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: Quite luxurious.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Very private. You'll make your own adjustment in your own way,
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: in your own time.
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: Oh, you'll be self-conscious at first.
• 44:21
  Speaker 7: Don't worry. It will wear off.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: And remember.
• 44:27
  Speaker 5: You've got.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: What almost every middle-aged man in America would like to have.
• 44:33
  Speaker 12: Freedom.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: Real freedom.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can't. Wherever you go, there you are.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: It's post-Twilight Zone, so it definitely feels like it's tapping
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: into that extended episode.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: Of Twilight Zone. And I want to say that Louis Giancarlino,
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: who wrote the screenplay, was a guy who wrote... I
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: think he did write some... He wrote some cool movies
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: like The Mechanic and stuff like that and Great Centini.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: But he may have been like, Frankenheimer was definitely a
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: live television guy in the 50s and 60s and stuff.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: And those guys were around when that stuff like Twilight
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: Zone and Outer Limits was being done. I think, I
• 45:13
  Speaker 4: don't know if Frankenheimer ever did any of those. I
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: don't think he did. He usually did like Playhouse 90
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: and stuff like that. But yeah, it's definitely a Twilight
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: Zone episode but a a really emotionally sort of staggering one.
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, it really, first of all, the whole movie
• 45:28
  Speaker 4: feels like a nightmare. You know, there's that scene where
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: he has that, goes to that sort of bacchanalia in
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: the woods and they're all nude inside the big great
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: stomping thing.
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: The scene where midway in I went, this movie's sponsored
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: by wine. Yeah. It's like the wine industry.
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: But it's really not. Everyone's supposed to be having fun,
• 45:48
  Speaker 4: but it's just, it's nightmarish, you know. Even the laugh
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: that he lets out might as well be a scream.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: Of some kind.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: Very strange that whole part I'll get back to that
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: but the part at the beginning where they use the
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: footage to blackmail him that you think is a dream
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: sequence but then kind of isn't because they actually made
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: it happen yes that had its own little weird like
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: German expressionist moment.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah well they designed like those sets like sort of
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: to look like those ones from Dr. Calgary or something
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: like that.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: And that was awesome because it just sort of comes
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: up out of nowhere and that you're so That's another
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: thing I was going to say. You're like 20 minutes
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: into this movie easily before you know what's going on.
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: And even if you've read the plot or if you
• 46:27
  Speaker 4: saw like the Twilight Zone version of it, it would
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: be like the guy would think it's a good idea
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: and be happy about it and join it and then
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: find out the dark side of it and maybe not
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: even until the end of the twist.
• 46:37
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: This is like as soon as he meets with them,
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: he knows it's a bad idea and decides against it.
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: But they've drugged him. And while they drugged him, they
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: made a film of him raping a woman. In this
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: weird expressionistic set.
• 46:49
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 4: And he kind of has to do it. He has
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: to do it anyway. Otherwise, he's over.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And again, my normal, like, trying to overthink some of
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: these things. I'm like, this company.
• 47:00
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Like, where do they really make their money? Like, what
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: they said they were charging him. Granted, it was a
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: lot of money at the time.
• 47:06
  Speaker 13: Yes.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, compared to the orchestrating of everything they
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: have to do, and then, like, keeping all these people
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: on staff, more or less, to, like, the guy that
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: lives with him, the woman that they bring in, like
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: all these other people that are involved in the program
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: that I'm just like.
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: I think we just got Baba buoyed. I think that
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: was pretty cool. It was a Stern fan.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, there we go.
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: No.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: Well, well, one of the twists you don't realize is
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: when he comes in and he's waiting, as you see
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: all the room of guys and you're kind of wondering
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: what they're waiting there for. And you find out that
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: no one's happy with the program and they all come
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: back to do it again. And they think they're going
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: to be another, get it again. But what they're being
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: used for as, Is a cadaver for the next person
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: that wants it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: It's just a meat factory.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Sort of jumped to the end. Do you think anybody
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: actually gets a second go through?
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: No, they're all there to be. Everybody just immediately becomes
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: a cadaver. That's the thing. You have to wonder where
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: the bodies are coming from for the thing. And the
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: people are recommending people that look like them or are
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: built like them, you know. So his friend ultimately gets picked,
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: you know, to go again. But, like, yeah, I think
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: they're all being, you know.
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: Just totally.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: Cadavered. Yeah.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: You got to.
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: Assume the only one that you see gated is Rock Hudson,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: so you got to figure that. That's what happens to
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: the rest of them.
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: That's the process.
• 48:16
  Speaker 7: Because he was.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: They just have to wait for someone else that's built
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: like he is to come in and... Not an easy
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: task and do it.
• 48:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing I thought was funny that, like,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: in the sales pitch, I'm like... I can understand, again,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: if we were going super sci-fi and it's like, okay,
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: they could take you back and make you, like, younger,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: but they don't. Like, you're still... Like, look at him, like,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: especially for standards now by Hollywood, I'm like, Rock Hudson's
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: still a relatively old guy.
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: Well, they didn't make him younger, yeah.
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: Well, you don't get anything else out of it except
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: just a different face, and then this whole life. Well,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: a much more handsome face, yeah. It's such a weird
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: sales pitch to me, because it's like, there's not that
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: much of an upside. And again, by the end, I
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: think that's what you're supposed to take from it.
• 48:59
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: But I'm like, even, like, I guess that's.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Why the blackmailing came along, because I'm just like, it's
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: not really a great deal.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: No, it's not. It's a Faustian bargain that isn't even
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: a bargain. It's just Faustian.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: It's just changing one thing for another, and you're still going.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: To be miserable. I think it really speaks to, things
• 49:18
  Speaker 4: because it's like we all want things to be different.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: And here's a company that's just like, well, people want
• 49:25
  Speaker 4: things to be different. We'll just tell them that and
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: we'll just fuck them, which is like what most corporations
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: do anyway. So as long as they get you in
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: the door and they get your money, they can do
• 49:33
  Speaker 4: whatever they want with you.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: I think it's cool, and again, because it uses that
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: classic sci-fi structure that's like, okay, here's the scenario, and
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: we're going to sort of put the spin on the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: science end of it and the weird juxtaposition of all that.
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: But in actuality, all we're doing is telling you a
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: story about life. And we're really kind of using this
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: as an example to set things up to examine just
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: the basic way life works.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, any of the great genre things, and I mean,
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: I've recently started to talk about this movie as a
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: horror movie because basically that's what it is, you know.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: is it's a tragedy. It's the tragedy of a story
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: of a man who, you know, didn't know himself and,
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: you know, really thought that his life was going to be,
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: you know, getting married and having the kids and having
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: a good job and having the nice house. And it
• 50:19
  Speaker 4: brings him no joy. He's living in this depression. And
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: so he thinks that if he just tries it again,
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: you know, and it's fancy and he has fancy new
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: rich friends and he lives in Malibu, he's an artist.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: and he's handsome and he looks like Rock Hudson that,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: you know, it'll be different. And it's just, that's not
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: what it is. You know, you gotta get, you gotta
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: get to know yourself. And, and that's a great tragedy because,
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: you know, we watch his sort of last, last moments
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: of life, you know, from his point of view. And he,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: he probably still hasn't learned the lesson, you know, it's
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: just that that's the tragedy. I think of most people
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: is they, they never really get to know each other.
• 50:55
  Speaker 4: And as a result, they're never really in, you know,
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: great contact or relationships with other people too and and
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: you know at the end of the day you know
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: maybe that's what the seconds is it's just sort of
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: like you know we all feel like we i never
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: thought about this way but like you know you think
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: about seconds as being like the scraps off the table
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: and so like yeah we think of like the title
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: is like being like you know this is like we
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: all sort of feel like we're just getting the seconds
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: of things you know but it's just it's not or
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: maybe the the seconds of life ticking away, you know, and,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: and us not really making much of it, you know,
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: it's ultimately just a tragedy, but it's just an amazing
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: looking and feeling movie where it just, it really feels
• 51:35
  Speaker 4: like a nightmare constantly. And like we said, it's not
• 51:38
  Speaker 4: like he's getting a good deal at the beginning. It's like,
• 51:41
  Speaker 4: it really just feels like, you know, you've stepping into
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: the nightmare of your own life, you know?
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: They never really pinned down the title, but I think it,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: That's my takeaway from it. And I think that's what
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: is the most interesting thing about it really by the
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: end is all of this stuff can still happen without
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: this company, without all the process. If you have the
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: strength of character to just be like, I don't like
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: my life.
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: I want to change my life.
• 52:05
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: He could i mean if he didn't want to be
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: married to his wife which again there was nothing wrong
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: with the relationship maybe it's one of those like you
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: kind of need to find.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: Your own happiness there's no fire in it anymore basically yeah.
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I mean there was nothing wrong with his wife there
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: was nothing wrong with his job.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: And later on when he goes to visit his wife
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: as his new guy you know she basically seems much
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: happier and says you know he was dead long before
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: he died in that fire anyway and it's a creepy
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: line ultimate sort of tragedy and sadness you know is
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: he Looks at his ashes sitting in an urn on
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: the fireplace there.
• 52:37
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 52:37
  Speaker 4: Life goes on without him. It's just something else he
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: can't handle.
• 52:40
  Speaker 1: And I think he even sees her as a different
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: person at that point. And I'm like, but she was
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: always there. So it's like if you would have just
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: kind of woken up from your sleep that your whole
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: life was in and be like, I still, you know,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: I cared about this woman once. I probably still love her.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I have a good job. It's provided me. It's like,
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: if you're become okay with your own situation, you're not miserable.
• 53:02
  Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are in that situation now.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: And that the movie has that, you know, begins sort
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: of with that weird dream. See the cycle sequence with
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: the weird, like distorted, like, you know, images in the,
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: in that crazy Jerry Goldsmith organ music, and then goes
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: into these like sort of POV shots over John Randolph
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: shoulder as he walks through, uh, Grand Central Station or
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Penn Station in the morning and it's like always a
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: dream you know it's always just sort of like but
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: yeah I guess you could also think about it as
• 53:31
  Speaker 4: a guy who's just sort of sleepwalking his way through
• 53:33
  Speaker 4: life you know has that camera that's mounted on his
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: shoulder that moves like he does when he does and they.
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: Kind of move weird too because I was watching that
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: and I'm like well it's not like this is really
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: old footage and they didn't know how to run it Frank.
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: And Homer knew what he was doing so it's like
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: he was manipulating the images and it's super wide lenses
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: too yeah it's.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Like But yeah, it's one of those, I was like, okay,
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: you either become okay with your life as it is,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: or if you really are genuinely that unhappy, all you
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: have to do is be like, you know what?
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, I'm going to have to bite the bullet.
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: I want a divorce. I want to move to Malibu.
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: He could do all the things in his real life.
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: He didn't have to look like Rat Cuts.
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: It's the midlife crisis thing. A lot of guys get
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: fancy red sports cars and run off with younger women
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: and all that stuff, and it doesn't make them happy.
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: And I think even Frankenheimer, even though I was surprised
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: to learn later on that he was really– in his
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: mid to late thirties during this time, but he made
• 54:24
  Speaker 4: all these films that are really dealing with a really
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: kind of sadness about middle age. There's, um, the gypsy
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: moths with Burt Lancaster and Gene Hackman and Deborah Kerr,
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: which is like, you know, about these sad traveling, um, uh,
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: skydivers that go from town to town and circus. And
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: they're just sort of like kind of sad, depressed middle-aged guys.
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: And it didn't really work out for them. And that
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: wasn't what they wanted to do. There's, I Walk the Line,
• 54:47
  Speaker 4: which is Gregory Peck as a small-town sheriff, an older
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: guy married to Estelle Parsons, who begins this affair with
• 54:55
  Speaker 4: the young Hot Tuesday Weld, who's the bootlegger's daughter. So
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: he's crossing the line of the law, even though he's
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: supposed to be the sheriff. They're all movies that are
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: dealing with that sort of sadness and horror and difficulty
• 55:13
  Speaker 4: with dealing with middle age, which... is interesting for me
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: is like in seconds and, you know, it's funny, middle
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: age now is not what it was then, you know,
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: now in my early forties, I mean, I certainly feel
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: like I, you know, am not an older man or
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: I don't even think of like, you know, middle age,
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: but I certainly relate to certain things in the movie
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: a lot more, a lot differently than I did when
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: I saw him as a young man, because there's only
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: so much time and you could really waste it, you know?
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: And I think that's why I had that response to it.
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: Cause I think, I think I remember hitting a point
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and it was years ago and it was before any
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: of that. I remember not feeling like I was doing anything.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: And I think I remember hitting that point of like,
• 55:56
  Speaker 1: I'm not happy. And like the only way I can
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: fix that is for me to fix that. Like nobody's
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: going to come along and offer you this, you know,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: option to fix everything.
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: So no, your best bet is like therapy or whatever
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: it is that, that allows you to look inside yourself
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: and see who you are and what you're about.
• 56:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: And, you know, get to work on it. It takes years.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: But if you're lucky enough like I was to start early,
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: you know, and I did start really early, you know,
• 56:24
  Speaker 4: starting to work on myself and going to therapy and
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: all that stuff, you know, by the time that you
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: reach that age, hopefully you'll find that you haven't wasted
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: your life and you don't need to start over again.
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think we'll all want that fantasy of, like,
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: I'd like to go back to, you know, when I
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: was a kid or when I was 23. Knowing what
• 56:41
  Speaker 4: I know now, but I mean, that's the whole reason
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: that you don't know that then. You have to learn
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: it through the experience of life.
• 56:47
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: There's the reason you get to the point where you
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: are is the journey that.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: Took you there. And I would hasten to add, too,
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: that I'm much happier now in retrospect looking back than
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: even then when I had, you know, maybe physical things
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: I was more. happy with, but, you know, in every
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: other respect, you know, emotionally and intellectually and everything, I'm
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: happy to be an older guy now.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: I think you come to learn what's important.
• 57:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: And that was my takeaway. It wasn't even like a
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: therapy thing. It became a creative thing.
• 57:16
  Speaker 13: Sure.
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: It became the arts. It became wanting to, okay, do
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: I want to paint? Which, again, is what he ended
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: up doing anyway.
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: So it's like, do I want to paint? Do I
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: want to, you know, be more involved? And that's kind
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: of how this came together. It's like, and maybe this
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: has become the therapy because I've realized how much I
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: enjoy this process, just the talking about arts in general
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: and filmmaking and storytelling is like, it is in its
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: way its own, you know, I think we learn so
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: much from movies about ourselves and I think that's what
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: I always try to take from it.
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: No, that's what's so lucky to do something like Cheap
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: Thrills where you're like, I get to run through the
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: entire gamut of what my life experience has been, you know,
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: in one single movie, you know, from beginning to end.
• 57:57
  Speaker 4: It's almost like, you know, birth as a baby and
• 57:59
  Speaker 4: go through all that rough stuff and, you know, even
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: come out like, you know, emerging crying and howling like
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: a baby at some point and being reborn as something
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: else and going through all the hard knocks. But I
• 58:10
  Speaker 4: also think that, yes, in conjunction with therapy and things
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: like that, all of the ways I've been able to
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: creatively express myself have been incredibly healthy for me. And
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: there's people that don't even get to talk that stuff
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: out and we get to like, you know, act it out.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: Kind of.
• 58:29
  Speaker 7: People live here.
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: Professionals.
• 58:32
  Speaker 15: Some in business, some write.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: No artists, I hope. I think you're the only one, sir.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: I think something else to speak to that sort of
• 58:42
  Speaker 4: happens in the movie is he seems to be awfully
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: concerned with social aspects and who his friends are and
• 58:48
  Speaker 4: what people think of him and stuff, you know, rather
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: than what he thinks. And, you know, that's something that
• 58:53
  Speaker 4: you really learn when you get older is like, It's
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: a cliche, but it's true. And even if you can't
• 58:58
  Speaker 4: hear it now, you know, you'll know it is when
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  Speaker 4: you get there. It's like, it really doesn't matter what
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: other people think. It's nice if people think, you know,
• 59:06
  Speaker 4: good things like being here, you know, like being at
• 59:08
  Speaker 4: the show and, and meeting all my fans and all
• 59:11
  Speaker 4: that stuff is really great but I consider that a
• 59:14
  Speaker 4: bonus or extra to you know the satisfaction of the
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: work that I get to do and it's.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Just be yourself at some point I think as you
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: again as we get older you start to realize that's
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: what you need to.
• 59:25
  Speaker 4: Do and that kind of appreciation that I get is
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: not guaranteed by the way it's like you can work
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: your whole life and No one will ever notice, but
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: I'm lucky, and I just consider it a bonus.
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: I think you get, again, we kind of hit that
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: same point. I think once you get old enough, you like,
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: number one, you kind of don't care, as long as
• 59:43
  Speaker 1: you learn who you are along the way. I don't
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: think you don't care.
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: A simple example is like if I go to an
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: audition now, and I don't do well, but I know
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: that I did the best job that I could. In
• 59:54
  Speaker 4: other words, I prepared, I worked on it, and I
• 59:56
  Speaker 4: didn't get it. It just means I wasn't right for it.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: It doesn't mean that I did a bad job or
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: I'm a bad person or it's a commentary on my character.
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 4: It's just I wasn't right for it.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Especially in the business that it is. Sometimes it's for
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: many other reasons.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 4: You have to learn, though, because you can internalize that
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: stuff early on and really start to think what they
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 4: think of you as being the truth about who you are.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 4: You know, and so seeing a lot of people that
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: end up not working or not doing what they want
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: to do, really depressed about themselves. But the fact of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 4: the matter is, like, it has nothing to do with anything.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: As long as you feel good about yourself, you're not
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: going to feel that way and you just go on
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: to the next one or you go and you do
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: something else or whatever. Like, I write, too. And, like,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: if I, you know, stop acting or do it less or,
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: you know, it's not, you know, satisfying to me anymore
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: considering how much it pays and... you know, I'm not getting,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: you know, the, you know, the kind of roles that
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: I want to play. I can go write, you know,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: on a television show as a staff writer or create
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: my own show. It's a really good living. It's still creative.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 4: It's still in the business. I have the experience. I've
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: done it. I know I could get one of those
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: jobs and I'm totally fine with that. Like I'm not, if,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: if I don't become a giant movie star, I don't,
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to consider myself a failure or that I've,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: you know, lost out on life, you know, like.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: In a way, I feel like that happy medium is
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: the happiest place you can get to because I watch
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: some of the huge stars and I'm like, they're so
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: tied to the things.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: They have to do. Well, not only that, but I
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: know some of them personally and their lives are miserable. Like,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: they couldn't sit here like this now. Yeah, you can't
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: do anything.
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Whereas, like, but also just creatively. Like, they're so tied to,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I know you get that, like, the... Will Smith plan
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: of like, okay, I got to do a sci-fi movie.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: I got to do a horror movie. I got a superhero.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: It's not working out too well for him.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: These days, but in general, like a lot of the
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: big A-listers that became a thing is like, you have to, whereas.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: Like, they let their agents run their lives, you know,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: and the agents know what the, where the money is. And,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: you know, they're always going to do something that stinks
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 4: because it's motivated by that. And it's going to start to,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: you know, go bad for them. And then, you know,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: It's also this thing. It's like, you know, Paul Newman
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: did it so right. He allowed himself to age. And
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: he was a star until the day he died because
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: he did that. You know, he was a big star
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: in his 50s and 60s and 70s, you know.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: And he did things his own way.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: That's right. And he didn't, you know, he didn't play
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: on his looks or whatever. It's just like he chose
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 4: interesting projects and interesting directors. He often played characters that were,
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: you know, dark and, you know, had, you know, you know.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: he did stuff that was interesting and it didn't hurt
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 4: him at all. So like this whole thing of like
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: staying relevant and making sure that you, you know, continue
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: to look young and make action films. And, you know, like,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: you know, they still keep doing, well, it's like the
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 4: Tom Cruise thing. It's like, you know, Tom Cruise is
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: in his fifties now and it's starting to be a
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 4: bit silly, you know, and, and he's a good actor
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: that people like and want to see and all kinds
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 4: of stuff. So, um, but, but that's, what's popular now.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 4: And he wants to be popular and relevant now, but,
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 4: You know, hopefully he will sort of come around. And
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: it's just hard right now because the industry really, those
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: are the only movies that people are going to see.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: But again, like I was saying with the sort of
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: the independent market, and I think what you were saying
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: about basically do your own thing. Yes. And I feel
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: like at this point we have. the technology and it's
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: so cheap to be able to, you know, compared to 20,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: 30 years ago, it was impossible. Yeah. But now you
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: can just create your own thing.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: It's harder being older. Cause you didn't get in on the, like,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: you know, like, you know, I don't necessarily know. I mean,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: I could do all that stuff as long as I
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 4: hired people who technically knew what they were doing, but like,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: and maybe we can even finish on this, which is
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: like Mark Duplass, who, you know, has been very successful
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: doing just that with his brother and just creating these shows,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: acting in things.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 4: Creating movies, writing, producing, directing, and acting, gave the keynote
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: speech at South by Southwest and said, the cavalry is
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 4: not coming. You are the cavalry. And at the end
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: of the day, that's true now. It's harder when you're
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: an older person. You can't just get on the road. Well,
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: I kind of am doing it here. It's like selling
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: merch at a table and stuff like that. But I
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: don't mind because I'm meeting... you know my fans and good.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: People yeah that's important especially now it's nice just to
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: sit here and talk to you quite frankly you know
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: it's like we are two people who live on opposite
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: sides of the country who have common interests and we
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: can sit here for an hour and and talk about
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: stuff that that we have in common you know that's
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: been my favorite part of this process is not i
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: again i try not to do it you know you
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: get to a lot of questions but i like more
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: of the like finding your experience yeah just as a
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: person just trying to relate to people and and be
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: you know how do you deal with this and one
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: i guess one more just for you acting wise especially
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: recently as you've gotten into your lead roles you've gone
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: to some very dark places yeah between especially compliance is
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: such a creepy movie yeah like in a way that
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: people probably aren't prepared for so.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: You're i don't know that anyone could be prepared for
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: that oh.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: No but you're especially your scene is So separate, you know,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: and I'm assuming shot completely separate.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: So I don't know.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: How hard was it?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: It was actually all shot together. All the scenes are
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: shot on the same soundstage. I'm on the phone with them.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: They're on the phone with me. There's the camera on me.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: There's the camera on them. That's cool. So we can
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: act together, and also it's, you know, of a piece.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: He uses me when he decides to use me and not.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: But I would say that, you know, that was a
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 4: really difficult movie for me to do. As you say,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 4: it was isolated. It was very internal. And Cheap Thrills
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 4: is as dark as it gets. It's very external and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: it's very cathartic to let it all out like I
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: do in that movie. But I would say the biggest
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: lessons learned between whatever the couple of years between doing
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 4: those two movies was, it's one of the great gifts
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 4: that I get to do as an actor is I
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 4: get to go and peer into the abyss. Yeah. you know,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 4: some of us are afraid to do that because we
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: might not come back from it. And there are times
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: when I haven't, but I think what I learned between,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: I definitely knew how to peer into the abyss during compliance,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: but what I learned by the time I did cheap
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: thrills was how to reel myself back in every day. Um,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 4: because you don't want to get stuck there and, you know,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: you can go home and really take that with you
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 4: and really have it bother you and sort of, you know,
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 4: fuck up your life in some way. And, and I,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: you know, I, I, it's not worth it to me
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: for a movie to, uh, you know, no matter how
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: great it is to, to, you know, affect my personal
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: life where I'm not sleeping well and I have, you know,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 4: I'm filled with bad feelings, you know, people have offered
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 4: me things I've turned down, but like you learn a
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 4: tool as an actor when to turn it on and
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 4: turn it off and you can allow yourself to go
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: there and just know that you, I don't know, you know,
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 4: it's not a quite a way to articulate how to,
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 4: but you, you, get lower down into that Canyon on
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: a crane and then somebody can, you know, and it's you,
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 4: you know, reeling yourself back up. You just develop the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: tools to do that. And that's, I think a good
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 4: life tool too, is like every once in a while,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: you're going to have to take a cold, hard look
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 4: at yourself and, um, just don't stay there.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 4: You come back to reality, come back to the present and,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: you know, use what you learn and what you saw
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 4: as a lesson, you know, and don't be afraid to
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 4: look at it because you, If you hide it or
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: you refuse to look at it, it's going to fester
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 4: and grow inside you in a way that is going
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 4: to hurt you and other people around you.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 7: Definitely.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: And if nothing else, you and Sarah Paxson need to
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: always work together.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: Well, that's something that I think was a gambit by
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: me to do Cheap Thrills, knowing that I would go
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: to those places. And we have so much fun and
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: we laugh so much together that having her around on
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Cheap Thrills just made things that much better because.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: I love the innkeepers. And it's you, too.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: The story is nice the way it wraps up, but
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: it's all that relationship.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: You two make that movie and are so good at it.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 13: Thanks.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but she's just, you know, a delightful, buoyant person. So,
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: you know, and she's a great laugher and she's incredibly funny.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 4: So if you can have someone like that around in
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: your life, you know, that brings light to the darkness,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: for lack of a better, you know, word, term, then
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 4: that's great, too.
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 15: Yeah, she's great.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 17: All right.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I thank you for coming and sitting down and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: being on the show. I'll give you a chance. What
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: do you want to tell people about as far as
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: just anything they need to check out right now?
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 4: Well, check out, you know, Innkeepers and Cheap Thrills certainly
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: is a movie that's been out for about a year
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: and is out on DVD and on Amazon Prime and
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 4: all kinds of on-demand platforms now. And, you know, I'm
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 4: out there.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I'm working.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 4: We'll see what's happening next, but I'm not quite sure.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter at Pat underscore Healy, H-E-A-L-Y.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 4: And on my Twitter page, you'll see my Tumblr page
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 4: link and also my Instagram feed, too, if you want
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 4: to check that out, too. Pictures of me. and my
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 4: cute nieces and nephew.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 7: Sounds good.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 4: Mostly.
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: So definitely, yeah, seek out everything you're working on because, yeah,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: you've done a great lineup, especially in this last 10 years.
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 4: It's been amazing, man. It's been fun.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 14: If I am a clock, then you are the time
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 14: I'm patiently waiting in your hollow life I'm counting the
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 14: times you lied to my face My hands were full,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 14: now just take it to me If I am a clock,
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 14: then you are the time I'm patiently waiting in your
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 14: hollow life I'm counting the times you lied to my
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 14: face My hands were full, now.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: Just take it to me.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 14: I'm closing your eyes, I'm shutting your heart. God, thy
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 14: will is hard.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: Hello, everybody. This is Ted Neely from Jesus Christ Superstar,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: and you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 17: I will drink.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 14: Your cup of poison. Kneel me to your.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 13: Cross and break me.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 14: Bleed me, beat me, kill me.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: Cause all I want.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 16: A second or two and all we got a second
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 16: to lose and all I am is tempted by.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 3: You because all I want a second or two and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: all we got a second to lose and all I
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 3: am is tempted by you later gators.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: Tell them bye Bye. We can get out of here now.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 10: We're going to go.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: We can go duct tape up your pelvis.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 10: Put me back together.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: I do have a lot of Frankenstein plans. There's schematics
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: at home.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 10: I mean, it is just probably a bruise.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: That doesn't mean there shouldn't be like a chainsaw and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: a belt sander involved. I mean, we really should test
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: this out and see where we can go with this.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: Okie dokie. And we might be able to fix that
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 1: gluten thing too. No.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 10: I like it because then it gives me a reason
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 10: to not go to dinner with people I don't want
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 10: to go with.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: That is a good out.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I'm like, oh, I just say can't.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're going to Arby's? All right, we're going to
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: get out of here. Okay. Otherwise, thank you for joining
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: us for this wonderful excursion into pain and damaging Kate. Yeah.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 10: Thank you so much.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: No problem. Thank you for coming here and being injured.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, that about does it. We will return next time.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: Same geek feed. Thanks for listening. Been a long time
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: since I've seen your face.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 13: I've been down, I've been.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: In lonely places.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 17: Now you say you're feeling different. Now you say you're
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 17: feeling different. Been a long time since I've heard your voice.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 17: Telling the lies I always believe in. Now you're saying
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 17: something different. Now you're saying something different.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: Maybe you've seen.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 13: It all before, but I'm gonna tell you something more.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 13: There's no such thing as a second chance There's no
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 13: such thing as another try There's no such thing as
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 13: time Been a long time since I've seen your eyes
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 13: Looking at me, looking through me Now you're looking somehow
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 13: different Now you're looking somehow different Been a long time
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 13: since I've felt your touch Pulling me closer and I
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 13: can't fight you Now you're doing something different Now you're
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 13: doing something different
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 13: You were having problems.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: I don't want to.
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 16: I don't want to.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 11: I haven't had alcohol this entire weekend. I need napkins.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Do you want me to hold this while you go
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: contain yourself?
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: Not on the pants, though.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Well, that's something.
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  Speaker 10: Oh, I have to hold it. Are you sure you're
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  Speaker 10: okay with me holding that with this when you saw
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  Speaker 10: what I just did?
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  Speaker 1: If you can control yourself. Can you control yourself is
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  Speaker 1: the question.
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  Speaker 10: I need to hold this in my face.
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  Speaker 7: Yes.
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