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72. Rewind · The Euro Legions Podcast

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  Now let's get to this week's show.
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  My wallet is sobbing. I can hear it.
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  I can hear it in the hall now. It is breaking down crying.
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  It turns out that Attila the arrogant so and so he's got a
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  fake hammer. Oh.
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  A fake Whoa. As I say, Dick.
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  Welcome to episode 72 of the Allegiance podcast.
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  Currently while there's a lot of toy shows and appearances and an
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  open pre-order even the ashes of back Bendor get it directly
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  until 11 PM 13th of June. There's not really that much to
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  talk about on the legions front otherwise.
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  Maybe they can before the storm. I guess we were going to do an
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  episode this week talking about other toy lines that we're
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  interested in. There's a lot of news going
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  around from, uh, the build up to San Diego Comic Con, etcetera,
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  etcetera and different things that are going on.
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  It is con season really at the moment, it seems, umm, but
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  scheduling issues discovered that plans.
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  So I've put together a best of episode covering some of our
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  earlier stuff. And 1st up here's some legions
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  lore from episode 8. And I think we start in mythos,
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  that's where mythic legions takes place.
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  And we start with these primordial gods and goddesses in
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  a peaceful Kingdom. And if you're like me, you
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  didn't know exactly what primordial meant.
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  It means from the beginning of time.
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  So kind of implied, but also nice to have it there.
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  And there was two a God and a goddess, Helios and Celine.
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  And to me, I don't know about you guys, this sounds a bit like
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  Adam and Eve so far. Would we?
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  Would we go there? Yeah, it's that so far, isn't
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  it? They obviously were bored in the
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  peaceful Kingdom so they they they had loads of children and
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  what happens then? Helios gets jealous because
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  Celine is too into her children and Helios decides to create
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  these unnatural abominations. We don't know how I think.
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  Does anyone have an idea of how or no?
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  No, they don't recover that, do they?
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  No. It might come obviously in more
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  detail, but we can assume there's some sort of magic.
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  I guess he wasn't in the lab back then to get rid of these
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  kids, which is really this is when it really turns menacing
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  here straight away. Those people just leave them in
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  a supermarket. I feel like there's a story
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  behind that, but. Well, supermarket driveway,
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  swimming baths. Oh, poor man.
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  Yeah, so, but that is, yeah, that is pretty extreme.
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  And, and it's really what starts all the trouble off.
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  And, you know, he just does that just to get the attention of
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  his, of his missus. I mean, I've, I don't know about
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  you, but I have better ideas. And maybe make her a nice cup.
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  Maybe make her a nice cup of tea or, you know, cup of coffee in
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  the summer on a hot summer even maybe make her a nice gin and
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  tonic or a cocktail or something, you know, make sure
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  the kids are in bed. Make a bit of dinner, Done.
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  No problem happening, no. Yeah, he, he definitely went in
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  the extreme route, didn't he? He did.
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  Yeah. And of course, what happens
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  then? Can I, can I, can I pitch him
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  with the first question actually?
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  Well, John, rather just to interrupt your flow straight
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  away. So they were talking about all
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  their children and, and my question I think came into my
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  head straight was are the great beasts their children?
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  Because it talks about man and women being on Earth.
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  But then, yeah, I presume they have, they didn't have a few
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  million human children. So is it?
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  Are the great beasts somehow their children?
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  Could well be, yeah. I mean, if he's able to create
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  these unnatural abominations, surely when they're making
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  children, they could, yeah, make these great beasts that, that,
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  that we will get on to. But yeah, that is a good point
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  because it doesn't actually say specifically if he managed to
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  get the attention of Celine back by creating these abominations.
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  Because what happens is they basically destroyed the place
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  pretty much worse than the student fraud house after house
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  party. The mythos equivalent of your,
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  your, what is it? What did they say?
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  In America? Your, your, your freshers first
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  night party. Yeah, yeah.
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  So all sorts of monsters, creatures, etcetera, which is
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  cool and all and we kind of know them the best.
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  The best four, I guess to come out of that are our BIG4.
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  I thought that was interesting. We only know of four of them, so
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  potentially there's more. So we've got, you know, OK, it
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  works quite nicely because they can match them with the
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  Horseman. But Four Horsemen of the
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  Apocalypse, obviously, is kind of what they're loosely based
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  on. Yeah, but it means there's
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  others if they want to go that route and bring some of them in.
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  Yeah, it's very clever, isn't it?
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  They've Yeah, they've left it nice and like themselves.
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  So, you know, let's have a wait. The four the.
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  Four with the four horses is beautifully square for for a toy
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  line, yes, but this little window of opening is also
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  beautiful for the toy line when you get that far.
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  Yes, yes. So we get Arathir, Necronominus,
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  Elithia and Poxis, just in case you haven't been paying
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  attention so far to episodes one to seven.
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  I think we've mentioned them a few times.
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  And then this is where we come on to your great beasts,
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  Richard. Yes, we saw the four great
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  beasts rise. Yes, exactly to.
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  Take them on. Exactly.
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  So we've got the lion warrior and that's the Odysseus, the
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  winged serpent, that's Basilia, the crowned eagle that's eat the
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  run good to dominate him, but we'll take him and the ivory
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  sag, which is Zylona. And then there was wars for
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  decades and eventually they banished the Dark 4.
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  So that's the kind of helicopter view of what happened in the
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  past. Which if you then look at the
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  toy line, is kind of what has been released up until Arathea.
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  Arathea was released if it feels like that's what's meant to
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  have, sort of. Gone absolutely, isn't it?
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  Yeah, I guess that of the beasts we've only got 2 so far, which
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  is Etheron and Zylona. Ether on very, very early and
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  and very difficult to get. Zylona was available for a long
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  time. The other two, the winged
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  serpent, which I think might be down along your line of lizard
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  men, snake men. Rich, good.
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  This is where it could get interesting for you there.
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  And the lion warrior will always take a liony type beast.
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  Thank you very much. Yeah, I think it's it's weird
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  the the the four beasts, I think they should probably do.
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  I mean, they said they're going to do another ether on at some
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  point, which makes sense because the other one, although it's a
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  great figure, does have problems standing up as all the birds do.
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  And it's super rare, but I would imagine that they're going to
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  release Silono in version two as well, just because it's it's a
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  really basic figure. I mean, it's a lovely figure,
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  but it's, it's quite basic, hasn't got any of the thrills
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  you do. And thrills rather that you'd
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  expect from a faction, you know, a faction God.
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  Well, realistically, you think about it, they, they, they're
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  going to redo the leaders of each group, which we'll get on
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  to talking about this later. They'll redo the leaders of each
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  group. You've got to then the beasts
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  have almost got to trump them, haven't they, in terms of how
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  they look? But I think, yeah, that's
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  something we can talk about. I think when we talk about the
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  way that what's going to be released and how it's going to
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  present itself in the future, I think.
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  Yeah, yeah, I have my own theory on this with regards to the
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  releases, but maybe I'll I'll drop it in when we get a bit
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  further in the story. So what interesting here I think
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  as well is that each of the leaders of the evil and the good
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  groups so that you're 8 factions that aren't that are kind of now
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  factions in in the line, not counting the two splinter
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  factions. So each one of them has a
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  special weapon which kind of matches off and which will which
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  kind of is also built into the story further down the line.
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  So you have Arith here with the Arthur Blade, and this is where
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  we have our War of the Arthur Blade video game coming.
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  We have Necronominus with the God Raiser, which is that really
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  cool slide that's coming with Necronominus.
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  Really looking forward to that. We have a Lithia with the Soul
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  Spiller. So that's the kind of scales
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  kind of weapon that she has and and poxes with the plagues there
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  bow and I love that this shoots off these kind of flies and
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  stuff. And David Williams did a great
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  drawing that Emil Coloured of poxes if you want to see maybe
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  an image of that and how it would look.
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  I think I described them as an artist super team or something
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  like that. The pair run together so good.
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  I wish I had I. Wish I had of the talent, the
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  little. Baby.
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  Tollworth of their talent, yeah. I'm not into the translucent
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  plastic stuff like Mali's, but those bugs that are coming off
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  the bow, Oh my goodness. Yeah, it's just a little the
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  last. Thing the line.
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  It's just it's a little so clever.
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  Yeah, it's amazing. And then we have the four good
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  weapons. So that's the Leodisseus hammer.
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  It's the staff of Basilia. It's Etheron with the Heavens
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  brand sword. It's the Serpent's birth staff,
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  sorry for Basilia. And it's the silver cord bow for
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  Zylona. And I think if you, if you know
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  anything about the line, you'll, you'll already hear that those
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  weapons sound familiar to the four leaders of the four good
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  factions. And that's another interesting
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  part of the story where they don't take their house name
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  forward or their name of their their surname that we would
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  traditionally have today. They actually take the name of
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  the weapon as their last name. So then we have the Yeah,
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  Attila, Leah, Sir Hera, Serpent's Bar, Gideon, Heaven's
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  Brand, and Artemis Silvercord as the four leaders.
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  I've never picked up on that before.
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  That's actually really cool. There you go.
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  So I've learned something already, Richard and I really
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  hope our listeners are are learning.
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  I'm trying to take this kind of slowly so that so that it sinks
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  in because I think that we could we could really go down into the
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  nitty gritty. But I think if we have the
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  helicopter view, the nitty gritty will will be more
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  interesting because you'll always be able to tie it back.
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  Yeah. So, so that brings us to the
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  present day. And that's where it says that
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  man is the one that remains, which is why we don't have the
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  four great beasts. And this is where I'll come back
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  to my theory on the releases. We don't have the four great
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  beasts because they don't exist in the present day, and I think
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  that's why we don't have them yet.
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  Now, the story might advance that the they somehow come back,
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  which we can get on to later, but that Mal is not in there.
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  That might sound pretty cool to me.
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  And we talk about everybody and it's why in the story it makes
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  sense that we're getting the Dark 4 back because they are
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  coming back and that's coming part of the story.
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  We're not getting the Dark Four from the history that we've just
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  talked about. We're getting the present day
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  dark four that are coming back. This is where we come to these
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  shadow kingdoms within Mythos. So there's the mythos is kind of
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  divided into four, and it's kind of four equal parts of the of
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  the map of mythos, basically where where the four good
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  factions reside and they come together at this castle in the
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  middle. And then you have these four
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  shadow kingdoms, which I didn't really know much about until I
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  read about them today or the last days.
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  There's Arathorne, which is Arathir, the Dead Lands, which I
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  think we can safely say is Necronomimus, the Nether Gate
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  which is Poxus, but that's actually just a gate into a
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  realm of Ophidion, which is where they actually reside, and
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  the White Spine, which is where Rich is hanging out with all
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  these buddies in Phonetia's Brood.
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  It's the best name as well for all.
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  Yeah, the bloodless throne. Yeah, very cool.
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  Here's some more lore from episode 9 where we delve further
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  into the story of Attila and the army of Leodysius.
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  You can imagine are there in a fight with Attila, Roar, Atlas
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  if he returns or whoever sort of thing and the two weapons
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  clashing and whether you know the good weapon actually
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  counteracts the other one. Yeah.
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  And the, it says the reason that the castle, or at least I, I
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  deduce from what it says next, is that the reason the castle is
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  at the centre is that Celine called all his Croatian
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  creations towards her and she was obviously in the centre of
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  the the mythos. And that's where the castle then
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  became from there because all the beings got called towards
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  the centre. And then obviously we saw from
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  the map last week that everything, all the bad stuff is
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  coming from the the the outside of the of the map.
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  Yeah, I thought that was really quite interesting.
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  It's like, you know, she was the the leader of the fight back
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  almost, or she started to fight back rather, you know, the great
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  beast then took it on. But she was one that actually
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  did something and got them going.
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  Yeah. And then Helios, he, he, his
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  plan was to basically undo once he'd kind of got her attention
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  back and maybe got rid of her, her living being so that they
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  could wipe the slate clean and start again.
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  He he wanted to undo what he'd done and then they have a clean
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  slate. And let's start this again and
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  do it in a way that maybe we can, you know, we can have the
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  OR I can have your attention without your attention being
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  taken up by all your creations. And then he starts to question
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  that. And I think that was one thing
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  that you had also brought up Richard, was that does he just
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  question it or does he actually try and undo it and it doesn't
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  work? Yeah, listening back to the the
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  Jeremy thing, it was really interesting to hear that.
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  I think, well, I'm doing the book will spell out in more
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  detail. But yeah, did he active, you
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  know, did he actively try and undo what he'd done?
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  And they, they were just too powerful and he couldn't do
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  anything about it now, which is saying something as he's a God.
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  What do you think about it? I mean.
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  Yeah, and then final, final couple of things and then we'll
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  get on to your to more of your stuff.
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  Richard that you've brought up here is I see that after the
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  great wars the dark forces return.
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  First trigger of that is that the order of ether on falls from
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  grace. So I always knew it was their
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  fault somehow. It was my instinct.
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  I know that any order order of Ethan fans now hate me since the
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  last couple of episodes, I'm sure because I'm really giving
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  them unwarranted, their their faction unwarranted abuse, I
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  would say. But yeah, that's what it says.
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  It doesn't really give details as to what sort of grace they
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  fell from. It seems to be a lot of
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  infighting and a lot of arguing over and I mean, I guess it's
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  the it's the religious element. There's always a contention
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  there, you know, are you being religious enough?
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  Are you sticking to the texts, etcetera, etcetera.
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  I get that feeling. It's not written or it's not
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  explained, but it seems to be that sort of thing.
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  And then the second thing is the, the main trigger that
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  allows the dark forces to return is the loss of the leaser
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  hammer. So that seems to be key and it's
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  Attila seems to be and the the whole faction, but Attila
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  especially seems to be so arrogant that he didn't think
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  this would matter. And he just thought the hammer
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  was a symbol. And obviously the hammer is not
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  a symbol. It's actually containing a great
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  some sort of a power that's keeping the evil at Bay.
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  But it it's written in the Lord that its loss allowed the evil
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  to roam free again. And that was the kind of trigger
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  that would there was able to bring them together for the
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  thing that I really want to know more about.
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  And I'm afraid I don't have any more for you on this, listeners.
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  Is the covenant a shadow? What went on there?
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  That's the first bit I'm going to flick to in the book when I
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  see it. But yeah, so the Leiser hammer
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  is lost a bit like my tactics laser hammer.
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  I think there's more chance of the real one, so yeah than your
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  tactics. One I'm going to keep making
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  that joke every week until last week was going on this have to
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  think of an orc joke Nick for next week yeah so so that's
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  where I am so then Rich if if you want to bring up your
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  highlights yeah but you can you can of course comment on just.
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  I'm just going to say the the order of Ethan 4 falling or
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  going into distribute in my head, it's a bit like the sort
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  of Borgia Pope sorts of thing. It was like, you know, just
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  disgrace. They were more interested in
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  wine women. So explain.
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  Explain that, Explain the Borgia Pope thing to me, because I saw
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  you. You wrote that on our notes, but
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  I didn't really understand it. So it was a a run of popes, I'm
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  not quite sure how many, but they basically they weren't, you
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  know, there was no religious element.
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  They were. They were in power because of
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  who they were rather than. I'm sure people tell me I'm
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  slightly wrong on this, but rather than their dear.
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  That's OK. It's our podcast.
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  We're the highest you. Know nurse and that sort of
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  thing so basically yeah, they were just you know they they
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  just enjoyed themselves wine women just whatever they want.
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  Maybe the Knights of In the Order got too interested in
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  pulling the birds. Hey.
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  Boom boom, there's there's the bomb for the.
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  I need a sound effect. I need a sound effect for that,
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  Malcolm. There's more whiskey to go.
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  In terms of the hammer, I think, I think my question was, and
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  it's something we can discuss here now, was it lost or was it
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  deliberately removed? So did Attila go, do you know
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  what? I'm I'm more powerful now.
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  I don't want to be people going, oh, you're only powerful.
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  Good, you've got the hammer. You know I'm going to bury the
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  ham in my back garden and then you know people will still
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  follow me anyway. I think it's more likely someone
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  removed it from him to try and remove him from power and
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  nothing. I think that's my personal sort
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  of thoughts and this arrogance bit that we've talked about.
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  You know, he's kind of, he's made out to be a bit of a Dick,
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  isn't he? Let's face it.
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  And I wonder if he just, you know, like arrogance, like, it
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  doesn't matter. Who cares?
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  Oh. Did he Luke Skywalker it over
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  his shoulder and just and just walk off?
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  He'd need a big arm for that. That's a big hammer.
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  They're strong. They're strong fellas in the
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  Army. Yeah, well, maybe it's like Otho
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  or somebody that sneaked it away, Mal, because I'm injured.
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  The BIOS do him that. He's not happy.
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  Exactly, I'm really clinging on to that what that that little
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  nugget that Otho is not happy with the with the the ousting of
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  Atlas, because I think there's there's got to be story behind
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  that got to be. Yeah, we want, we want the first
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  series of the Netflix, the first series of the Netflix series to
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  be Attila Atlas, although and that little argument going on
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  there between them and all the kind of betrayals and and what
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  happens to kick it off there. Then we'll have flashback to
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  hell yes and Celine and all that.
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  Carry on. And then we'll go forward to the
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  Dark 4. Thank you everybody.
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  That's our scoop for the week. Netflix myth Allegiance series
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  On the Way, confirmed by John. Confirmed, yes.
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  Yeah. So what?
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  Not sure if it's going to be animated or live action.
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  And my, my final question on the hammer is obviously he's got the
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  hammer in the two pack now. Is that just to make the two
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  pack better or has he, has he actually got it back and that's
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  going to fall into the story? Yeah, that's an interesting
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  thing as to what point in time some of the two point OS come
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  from. And I did notice now I don't
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  have the figure funnily enough, but I did notice on the website
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  that the two point O Attila bio is the same.
• 23:34
  So for example the two point O Gorgo buyer is different or
• 23:42
  there's at least a little bit more info.
• 23:45
  But on the website the two point O Attila Biro is the same.
• 23:49
  So I. Wonder if it's a combination
• 23:50
  with the two point O's of just wanting to update the figure to
• 23:53
  what they would have liked to have done or with hindsight
• 23:57
  would have liked to have done and now can do.
• 23:59
  And some are progressions of the character.
• 24:03
  Because Artemis was a progression wasn't it?
• 24:06
  Of her or a previous version. I forget which way round.
• 24:10
  It was a previous. Version.
• 24:11
  A younger version. That's right.
• 24:15
  But I suppose we we have the other heroic weapons, so it's
• 24:20
  maybe just a way of closing that off as well for collectors.
• 24:24
  For sure, yeah. I think I miss when I said about
• 24:28
  where we were in the story. I think we're now at the point
• 24:30
  where the Dark Four are coming back.
• 24:33
  But previously we were after the original battle, weren't we?
• 24:40
  In the Yeah so. My my question to you guys is,
• 24:44
  Atlas is ousting. When we talked about this a lot
• 24:46
  already, obviously, what do you think happened?
• 24:49
  Was he ousted because he wasn't charismatic enough?
• 24:53
  Did they did? Were people worried that, you
• 24:55
  know, the army was losing its pizzazz and that they needed a
• 25:00
  more charismatic leader? Or was he ousted because Attila
• 25:03
  wanted the power? Yeah, I think that it's it's
• 25:07
  that he was too, too military, you know, so too rigid and too
• 25:11
  stuck in in in that sort of mode.
• 25:15
  So he wasn't flexible at all about things.
• 25:18
  Right, I say. I like.
• 25:20
  I like the other way. I like this idea that Tiller is
• 25:26
  he he craves power and control and Atlas, I see Atlas as being
• 25:34
  quite a wise person and and you know, and the fact that he can
• 25:41
  he he he attracts these other like, you know, lost souls.
• 25:46
  I feel like he must have some charisma about him.
• 25:49
  Yeah, I mean the way he is now, for sure.
• 25:51
  But I think he might have picked that up through his, you know,
• 25:55
  through his experiences after being thrown out, you know?
• 25:58
  Possible you do learn with your. Experiences so because as we as
• 26:06
  we as we see with Atlas, he ends up in the Colosseum at Mercurios
• 26:15
  and he ends up joining with Calabias to bring down
• 26:19
  Mercurius. So a lot of water has gone under
• 26:23
  the bridge there. You have mentioned here Richard
• 26:27
  of of what? How was he captured or how did
• 26:30
  he end up in the Colosseum? See, and again, in my head, this
• 26:35
  is this is Attila putting a a statement.
• 26:38
  Outgoing Atlas has quit. He doesn't want to help lead
• 26:42
  anymore. I've taken over.
• 26:44
  We're in actual fact this is Attila having Atlas arrested or
• 26:47
  something. Sold off into slavery
• 26:49
  effectively, then ended up in the Colosseum.
• 26:52
  Get rid of the myth. Make it disappear.
• 26:55
  But unfortunately, as if I'm not in Gladiator the movie, it
• 26:58
  doesn't. Work.
• 27:00
  And then what is this one about? Does the army of Leo Dyseus only
• 27:04
  recruit clerics and majors who are willing to fight?
• 27:08
  So what? What angle are you coming up
• 27:10
  from there? I was reading is it Faustia's
• 27:14
  bio, I think, and she was talking about the cleric, but
• 27:17
  she they didn't use battle magic.
• 27:18
  But it was effectively saying that I think that, you know,
• 27:21
  she's trained in that and, you know, isn't at all afraid to use
• 27:24
  that. And I was got just got me
• 27:26
  thinking like, because it's such a militaristic faction, you
• 27:30
  know, they're not interested in clerics and mages that, you
• 27:32
  know, do healing powers and that necessarily it's like, no, we
• 27:35
  want the ones that want to fight.
• 27:37
  They're not, you know, they want to focus their spells on
• 27:40
  fighting because I know, I know in one of the other sections it
• 27:44
  talks about the convocation of Basilica welcoming in magic
• 27:50
  users from the other factions as well into their grand library
• 27:53
  to, to, to learn about magic. And I can imagine the ones from
• 27:58
  the, the army of the Odysseus turning up and going.
• 28:01
  Just point us in the the, the war spells section.
• 28:04
  I don't want to know about, you know, nature and this sort of
• 28:06
  stuff. Just point me into how you
• 28:08
  destroy your enemies. Action of the tree.
• 28:10
  I'm going to do, Oh yes, I'm going to do my studying there
• 28:13
  and then I'm going to go back and I'm going to fight.
• 28:15
  OK, so in order the number one way you get into the army, but
• 28:18
  it is you got to fight whatever the skills you have after that
• 28:22
  is fair enough and and we can use them, but if you're not a
• 28:25
  fighter, you know, go over to some other faction.
• 28:30
  Episode 13 is where the fake hammer from our intro was
• 28:33
  discussed and the first, the first bit of information is
• 28:38
  basically the last hammer. So we've we've mentioned that
• 28:41
  before. You remember that Rich right
• 28:44
  that Attila has lost his hammer. Yeah.
• 28:48
  And Mal, we, we mentioned before as well that Oh well, Attila has
• 28:54
  in the war of the Arthur Blade figures.
• 28:59
  Update I have not received my package.
• 29:01
  There has been no moment to my package since.
• 29:05
  But when you were mentioning where the where the keep was or
• 29:10
  whatever, I was going to ask you to check that out on the cloth
• 29:13
  map and then remember that you hadn't got it.
• 29:17
  So which? Is exactly why you should have
• 29:19
  mentioned it now. Now it's too nice to do things
• 29:24
  like that. Rich thought of that.
• 29:26
  He would have mentioned it. Oh, 100%.
• 29:30
  Yeah, no, I went to the website where there's a perfectly nice
• 29:33
  high resolution picture of the map when needed.
• 29:36
  Uh, one day I would podcast in front of the cloth map.
• 29:40
  There is a little gap there you see on the wall.
• 29:42
  That's where it'll go. Uh, so, uh, it turns out that
• 29:49
  Attila the arrogant so and so he's got a fake hammer.
• 29:54
  Oh, a fake? Yeah.
• 29:59
  Whoa. As I say, Dick.
• 30:04
  It's basically like West Ham and Ted Lasso fake hammers.
• 30:09
  See what you did there? Do not explain that joke.
• 30:13
  Google it. Google it.
• 30:17
  Yeah, so it's a fake hammer. So Attila as, as Mal has said,
• 30:25
  complete Dick, he's going around with this hammer, like Jeremy
• 30:31
  said, because he's so badass. He's still able to, you know,
• 30:35
  rule and kind of, you know, win battles and all this with this
• 30:39
  fake hammer. But it doesn't possess any of
• 30:42
  the magic and the kind of power that the original one has
• 30:47
  because basically the the bad guys have it.
• 30:53
  Gore Tek has seen it. This is my thing that Jeremy's
• 30:56
  like, oh, he's still he's, you know, he's so badass and he's so
• 30:59
  dominant. He and I'm like, he lost a giant
• 31:02
  hammer. How does anyone lose a giant
• 31:04
  hammer? Oh, it's behind the sofa.
• 31:08
  Oh shit, no it's not. Yeah, and he lost it to the main
• 31:13
  enemies of his faction. It wasn't as if somebody else
• 31:16
  cares. Snag came in and grabbed it.
• 31:18
  He'd lost either. Yeah, he couldn't have lost it
• 31:20
  down when he was down in Salona trying to chat up Artemis Silver
• 31:24
  Cord, you know. No, no, no, no.
• 31:27
  He lost it and gave it to the Legion of Arthur.
• 31:34
  I mean, ridiculous. So they have it and they also
• 31:42
  talk about the fact that the dark weapons still remain in
• 31:45
  mythos, and the reason the dark weapons still remain in mythos
• 31:51
  is because they were created in mythos, so there was no way of
• 31:55
  taking them out of mythos. So that also leaves open the
• 32:01
  possibility that they can retrieve the dark weapons and
• 32:05
  for example, the other blade to bring back Arethere.
• 32:10
  It would be the first of the dark four that they're going to
• 32:13
  try and get back. And they have discovered the
• 32:16
  location of the Arthur blade and it's with the elves in Castle
• 32:20
  Silverthorne and Rich. It's no surprise to you that the
• 32:24
  elves were the ones that were the start of the problem for the
• 32:27
  good guys of. Course it were, yeah.
• 32:31
  So that. Would be that game.
• 32:32
  No Peace man, peace and let's get like sliced up.
• 32:36
  So that's, uh, that's their first port of call.
• 32:38
  They're going to get the ather blade from the Isles, from
• 32:42
  castle Silverhorn. That's the covenant, the shadow.
• 32:45
  They signed the pact to retrieve the four dark weapons, starting
• 32:49
  with the ather blade. That's why there's the War of
• 32:52
  the Ather blade from the mythic Legions tactics game, uh, which
• 32:56
  apparently has wonderful figures that were released with it.
• 32:59
  And and that's, I don't think I ordered any, to be honest.
• 33:08
  Yeah, to be honest, yeah. I think I just the $1000 back a
• 33:14
  couple years ago. I just, I actually just think I
• 33:16
  threw that away when I was up for a walk.
• 33:17
  Oh dear. Yeah.
• 33:21
  So that's so it's yeah, the elves are going to get their
• 33:23
  asses kicked. I mean, that's a spoiler for the
• 33:25
  myth is leading tactics game, to be honest.
• 33:27
  Yeah, the elves are are getting it.
• 33:31
  The Arthur blade's going to get lost.
• 33:33
  Arthur is coming back. And after that, Oh, yeah.
• 33:38
  And Valgar, he was getting, he was getting the hearts when he
• 33:41
  said, oh, it's the soul Spiller. Can you, can you get the soul
• 33:44
  Spiller back? You know, he was, he was really
• 33:48
  getting excited about the fact that he was going to get the
• 33:51
  Soul Spiller and then obviously Elithia as a result.
• 33:56
  He's obviously a massive mummy's boy.
• 33:59
  He is, yeah. Actually, that's Necronominus.
• 34:06
  I hope he's not like Homelander in The Boys.
• 34:13
  He is not bad looking to be fair.
• 34:17
  Again, that's probably not a figure they'd release.
• 34:24
  No, let's be honest. No.
• 34:28
  Yeah. So that's that's the covenant to
• 34:32
  shadow. Any further comments on that
• 34:35
  guys? What do you think, Rich?
• 34:40
  That's really interesting. I'm not.
• 34:43
  I'm not at all surprised that until I lost the hammer.
• 34:45
  Because he's a prat. That's a good word, Prat.
• 34:49
  Yeah, yeah. But I I guess maybe I mean, did
• 34:54
  Jeremy Hinton whether Atlas knew about the hammer being lost and
• 34:57
  that was part of why Atlas. No.
• 34:59
  Went or OK? But this could of course come in
• 35:02
  a later chapter. This isn't.
• 35:04
  It could or until I could push Atlas out because he's like, oh
• 35:07
  he he'd know it's fake. Out you go bro.
• 35:10
  I think this has happened after he's pushed Atlas out.
• 35:14
  I reckon that's a bit of. His well, I reckon Atlas has
• 35:17
  figured it out and then gone Oh yeah, I'm not hanging around
• 35:21
  with this douche bag if if he's kind of going to do this kind of
• 35:25
  a move. Do you reckon?
• 35:27
  Oh, no, I think it's more that Hill has gotten complacent after
• 35:33
  all these sort of success and, you know, bit of wine, a bit of
• 35:38
  partying. Showed off his.
• 35:40
  Hammer with a few ladies and you know.
• 35:43
  You reckon so? Jeremy didn't say how they got
• 35:47
  the hammer then. He just said that Gorthock had
• 35:49
  said he'd seen it. Yeah, he just said yeah, that
• 35:53
  they that they had got the hammer and the gore dot coms.
• 35:57
  He had seen it because it's in the the the Arthur guys.
• 36:01
  Have it he he was only reading this particular chapter.
• 36:04
  Yeah. So there there is probably
• 36:06
  explanation of how they get the hammer in there as well.
• 36:08
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bang Bang Max was.
• 36:12
  That's really interesting though, shows basically the
• 36:14
  weird Clare points on. His head.
• 36:19
  I like where it's going here. Yeah, I can't.
• 36:21
  I mean, we said it at the time, but I can't wait for that book.
• 36:24
  It's going to be so good to get all these things filled in and
• 36:27
  just get another appreciation. Yeah, I just want a massive
• 36:30
  coffee table thing, you know? Yeah, yeah.
• 36:32
  Jeremy was saying he envisions this is like a big coffee table
• 36:36
  book and, you know, say a mix of art and stories and something
• 36:40
  you could just pick up and flick through.
• 36:41
  And I think all three of us. Yeah, I just want people, you
• 36:45
  know, I just want people to come into the house to actually just
• 36:48
  pick it up and go, what's this? You know, Yeah.
• 36:51
  And then you can kind of have an in to show them their figures,
• 36:53
  the figures, rather than they're just like, oh, those figures.
• 36:56
  That's weird, Diverting away from the Lord this time.
• 37:03
  Here's some of my Mythic legions tactics delivery saga, which
• 37:07
  spanned multiple episodes around this time last year.
• 37:13
  Maybe just to to predate that a little bit.
• 37:14
  I know people are very, very eager to hear about my trials
• 37:19
  and tribulations of my tactics figures on FedEx.
• 37:23
  And so I recorded a top secret call this week between myself
• 37:29
  and FedEx. So the first voice you hear on
• 37:32
  this call was me and then the other voices, people on the
• 37:36
  other end from FedEx. So I just have a listen and
• 37:39
  you'll hear what I'm dealing with here.
• 37:41
  It's it's pretty tough, pretty tough goal.
• 37:42
  Now look here my good man, I don't want to talk to you no
• 37:46
  more you empty headed animal food truck whopper.
• 37:51
  I fart in your general direction.
• 37:53
  Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of
• 37:57
  elderberries. Is there someone?
• 38:00
  Else up there we can talk to. No.
• 38:02
  Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time.
• 38:08
  So that's how it's going. Just so you know, there may be
• 38:12
  further updates next week, but that's the update for this week.
• 38:16
  So the big news guys is I got my monkey King figure.
• 38:19
  Oh. Yeah.
• 38:20
  He didn't get, he didn't get caught in customs.
• 38:23
  And the even bigger news is what's the saga is over?
• 38:27
  Oh my word, I got my mythic legions tactics figures.
• 38:32
  Oh yeah, surely there's like, celebrate good time.
• 38:41
  I was going to maybe I should. I was too lazy today.
• 38:47
  Yeah. So I got a box, this box this
• 38:50
  week and our delivery and it was two boxes.
• 38:53
  It was the Monkey King smaller box and very large big box with
• 38:59
  my mythic legions tactics figures which was a couple of
• 39:02
  extra male orcs and then one each of the other ones and a
• 39:06
  Tupac or two Tupacs. Actually I bought 2 tupacs.
• 39:08
  I didn't realize I did, but I bought 2 Tupacs and and then the
• 39:14
  coins on the map and the T-shirt.
• 39:17
  The, uh, picture of the coins you sent, They actually got
• 39:19
  really, really good. They are.
• 39:21
  Cool the the frustrating thing about the coins is there's only
• 39:24
  5 factions. Uh, so they didn't unlock them
• 39:28
  all and a feel for what they are.
• 39:31
  They probably should have just done them.
• 39:33
  Yeah, but I hope they plan to do them in the future because it
• 39:36
  would feel a little bit incomplete.
• 39:38
  Yeah, I had no interest in those in the Kickstarter, but have you
• 39:41
  seen yours? If they released all the
• 39:42
  factions now, I'd quietly bias. Yeah, yeah, I'd be happy even.
• 39:46
  Like I don't care that I heard that.
• 39:47
  Like maybe I have them and other people don't.
• 39:49
  I'd be happy if they just released them now as a maybe
• 39:52
  exclusive set with all of them. I'd be cool with that.
• 39:57
  That would mean then that I could fill up the shelves.
• 40:00
  But uh, yeah, so amazingly so, uh, I was actually even in touch
• 40:05
  with FedEx as well. And they said that the problem
• 40:09
  was they did a software update in FedEx and then they had
• 40:14
  connection problems, I suppose automatic connection problems
• 40:17
  with the people that handle their customs, uh, clearance.
• 40:22
  And instead of just doing it, they must have just left it
• 40:25
  sitting there. I guess you're an IT manager.
• 40:29
  You do it. Yeah.
• 40:30
  So it's, I suppose every day they were like, yeah, it's going
• 40:32
  to be fixed. It's going to be fixed, going to
• 40:34
  be fixed. And I guess what happens, it
• 40:35
  just sits there for day on, day on day.
• 40:38
  And then they eventually decided, because you said it
• 40:40
  still wasn't fixed, but they just decided to release the
• 40:43
  packages. So I don't know if I'll get
• 40:45
  charged now. I haven't got charged yet.
• 40:47
  They're IT guys. With the charge, whatever it is,
• 40:50
  but I'm hoping that they maybe didn't apply the full charge or
• 40:54
  something as a hopefully at least they waived their €15 in
• 40:59
  fee that would be, that would be fair.
• 41:01
  And I didn't. Yeah.
• 41:02
  You'd really hope, couldn't you? They didn't.
• 41:05
  So yeah, I was going to say they didn't think they needed to with
• 41:07
  all the double billing they've probably done, which has got to
• 41:09
  be part of this. Oh.
• 41:10
  Yeah, yeah, you've paid my Yeah. So absolutely nothing the
• 41:22
  Horsemen could have done with this.
• 41:24
  Umm, because I've actually, I've actually know other people that
• 41:26
  had packages with FedEx from the States, got stuck for a month.
• 41:31
  So completely unrelated to the Horsemen, they were very good
• 41:34
  every time I contacted them, but, uh, they couldn't really do
• 41:38
  much from their side, and I understand why now.
• 41:41
  And finally, to get you up to speed on Miles, beloved cosmic
• 41:45
  legions, here's an overview of the world taken from episode
• 41:50
  #21. Thanks for listening this week.
• 41:54
  We'll be back next week with a brand new episode story of
• 42:00
  Kazmiri Ma. Yeah, let scoured bar and wide
• 42:05
  across all the source horsemen and any other source of cosmic
• 42:10
  legions law and this is what we've come up with you've.
• 42:14
  Travelled to Kazmiri, no. Oh, well, yeah, I mean, that's
• 42:18
  I'm still working on the rocket. That's that goes what I'm
• 42:21
  saying. Yeah.
• 42:22
  Yeah. So Cosmirium, the birth place of
• 42:27
  planets, stars and even life itself.
• 42:30
  Created by cosmic gods of old, the Orion authors and their
• 42:34
  Cronin offspring. It is a system divided into five
• 42:37
  rings centred around a fiery son named Zol, the first star.
• 42:43
  Each circle of this system performs a specific role.
• 42:47
  So there you go. We've got the settings, but
• 42:48
  there's that's Cosmium itself. That's that's our.
• 42:52
  Universe. And then we get the five rings.
• 42:55
  Yeah, so the first string throw pass.
• 42:59
  Same with the puzzled look. The innermost circle and home of
• 43:03
  auras. The 1st planet and home to the
• 43:05
  Orion Ortho gods. So this one is.
• 43:10
  So this one is kind of the yeah, this is the original, I guess
• 43:14
  the birth place of of it. Sounds like it, doesn't it?
• 43:17
  It sounds like that's where our super beings, if you want to put
• 43:22
  them that way, might be. Might.
• 43:23
  Be related a bit to Legions. This is where Celine and Helios
• 43:28
  were kind of hanging out. Yeah, OK.
• 43:29
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Zatos, I said that
• 43:33
  weirdly. The 2nd circle and heart of
• 43:36
  military power in the Pharaohs Kingdom as the last of the
• 43:40
  original Cronin races, the Fair Ox enforced the will of Auras.
• 43:45
  So there you go. That sounds like a militaristic
• 43:47
  zone. And this is the first centre
• 43:50
  mention of this fair ox, but I think they they become quite
• 43:53
  important. Yes, yes.
• 43:58
  And then we've got Mesos. The 3rd circle is the most
• 44:02
  populated of the rings and the big, biggest, busiest hub of
• 44:06
  civilian activity in the system. I'm guessing we'll get a lot of
• 44:10
  stories. Coming out of memoirs, yes, MEMS
• 44:15
  characters here. Yeah, and then we've got
• 44:17
  Thermos, the 4th and fastest growing of the Circles.
• 44:23
  Rapidly expanding access to tech created in Theoremos has been
• 44:27
  has been providing unprecedented independence and power to the
• 44:31
  citizens of Cosmirium. So again, I think we're going to
• 44:35
  get a lot of action going on there.
• 44:37
  That's where the technology is happening, so.
• 44:41
  Yeah, and Exos, the 5th Ring is the largest, furthest, and least
• 44:47
  chartered ring of Cosmirium. The dense and mysterious nature
• 44:51
  of this sector has aided in forging it into a haven for
• 44:54
  outcasts, scavengers, and criminals looking to escape the
• 44:58
  reach of Fair ox power. So.
• 45:01
  OK. So that's that gives us a bit
• 45:04
  more context on the Fair Ox. So for me then that sounds like
• 45:08
  the fair Ox is kind of a bit like the Empire in Star Wars
• 45:12
  maybe. Would you say it?
• 45:14
  It yeah, it feels like that, although I get that vibe off and
• 45:18
  we'll talk about that a bit later.
• 45:20
  But Tusk as well, although maybe they're more of a a trade, like
• 45:26
  a trade, I suppose, trade federation, trade empire,
• 45:28
  whatever you. So yes, I suppose perhaps that'd
• 45:31
  be more of a link there. I think the fair ox to me in my
• 45:35
  head sound a bit more like the shadows and the vollons in
• 45:38
  Babylon five who were original races like, you know, they were
• 45:44
  the original splinter races from the original immortal God type
• 45:47
  things in that universe sort of thing.
• 45:49
  And they were they were trying to, you know, direct the the
• 45:53
  path of all younger races and that sort of thing.
• 45:55
  So I got that sort of image of about the fair ox in my head.
• 45:59
  Yeah, I think that also makes sense.
• 46:04
  All right, and then we get to a paragraph that opens up a lot of
• 46:08
  intrigue and suggests where the story and the direction of
• 46:12
  things might go. The Orient vision of a
• 46:15
  harmonious and united system remains seemingly attacked under
• 46:19
  Ferox rule. The five rings of known peace
• 46:22
  and prosperity for ages. But things are not always as
• 46:25
  they seem. Harmony is fragile, and even the
• 46:29
  smallest of fishes can transform into a malignant, crumbling
• 46:32
  chasm. When the chasm opens up, what
• 46:35
  will be revealed? It could very well be the end of
• 46:38
  a utopian dream, but it could also be the first glimpse into a
• 46:43
  bright cosmarium. Well, so it's really setting the
• 46:47
  scene at at a point where, you know, we're we're at a point in
• 46:52
  the whole thing where we don't know what's actually going to
• 46:55
  happen in this place. It's like a tipping point of
• 46:59
  Cosmirium. So definitely it's kind of yeah.
• 47:03
  And these things have kind of, you know, developed.
• 47:06
  You've obviously talked about these five rings, but nothing
• 47:10
  has really, there's been no kind of big event that has kind of
• 47:15
  caused it to go in one or another direction.
• 47:18
  But I guess that that's where we're going towards no.
• 47:22
  Well, the hints, and we may or may not get to it today, is it
• 47:28
  feels like Igar is going to be part of this, doesn't it?
• 47:33
  And whatever's going on with him, he, there's very much, he's
• 47:36
  a key character in the in the story.
• 47:40
  So how is that going to come about?
• 47:44
  OK, so I've sort of taken it ring, ring by ring.
• 47:47
  This is going to turn into a comedy gold episode again, isn't
• 47:50
  it? Nothing wrong with a nice ring,
• 47:52
  yeah? As long as we keep the Beaver
• 47:56
  basher away from it all, we'll be OK.
• 47:59
  It's the perfect place for the Beaver basher.
• 48:02
  So ring motion. Sorry.
• 48:09
  So ring one is where the the Orion author gods are, and I'm
• 48:13
  wondering if we'll ever see those.
• 48:15
  It's a bit like Celine and Helios in mythics, isn't it?
• 48:17
  It's like everyone's. Are we ever going to see them?
• 48:19
  Are we ever going to see these? Or is it just going to?
• 48:21
  Be I hope we see them sooner than Elias and Celine, please.
• 48:26
  Oh really? I can see them being like the
• 48:29
  epic conclusion of the story, which we never once say.
• 48:34
  No, they don't. It's like the Four Horsemen of,
• 48:38
  you know, of mythic legions. Doesn't need to end after them,
• 48:42
  you know? And this could be, I don't know,
• 48:45
  I just want some gods on my shelves.
• 48:48
  Give me a break here. So the Fair Ox, I personally
• 48:54
  would like to see one of these sooner rather than later.
• 48:57
  I think because they're such an important part of the story.
• 49:00
  I don't think we'll necessarily see them sooner rather than
• 49:02
  later, but they're such an important part of the story.
• 49:04
  I think you know just one of them as a background character
• 49:07
  or involved in the wave would be a really good way to do it.
• 49:10
  I don't know. I think we potentially could
• 49:12
  because they're described as sort of being like, they're
• 49:15
  almost like the military, aren't they?
• 49:16
  And the peacekeepers And, you know, so we might see one of
• 49:21
  them some point. That would be great.
• 49:25
  And then the next question in my head is what would they look
• 49:27
  like and not like an in depth thing, but just in AI got two
• 49:32
  options. Either they're going to be like
• 49:33
  little aliens, all scientific minded and that sort of thing.
• 49:37
  And then it's the mechanical side of the the military sort of
• 49:40
  thing or the big hulking brutes. And that's how they enforce the
• 49:45
  military. Well, they are Cronin, so have
• 49:52
  we seen a hint at what they look like in the Cronin skull?
• 49:56
  Or is that? Different.
• 49:57
  It sounds like the Cronin are variations of a race, doesn't
• 50:04
  it? Maybe maybe casts classes of a a
• 50:07
  particular race. So the fair Ox are one of those
• 50:12
  classes casts whatever you would call it.
• 50:15
  Mal, I didn't put two and two together there.
• 50:17
  That you're quite right, yeah, could well be.
• 50:20
  That's what this is for Rich, is to talk through it.
• 50:22
  You know, we nobody expects us to come here with the answers.
• 50:25
  We're coming here with the the data, what's out there.
• 50:29
  And then we we widely speculated between the lines.
• 50:32
  We proved. We admitted one, didn't we?
• 50:34
  They come wildly speculate and not get half of it right.
• 50:39
  I'm. Sure, they'll enjoy this.
• 50:42
  I also would like to see more of the Cronin races so they talk
• 50:46
  about the Fair Ox being the last ones, but for me it's like, well
• 50:50
  they're the last one that's maybe intact as as a entire
• 50:52
  civilization, but I'd be a handful of a few other ones that
• 50:57
  are still dotted. Around them.
• 50:59
  Well, can I share my, my thought on this that I, I almost don't
• 51:03
  want to in case I'm right, because it's it'll be yeah.
• 51:07
  But I'm wondering if Olek and his race is actually going to
• 51:15
  turn out to be Cronin, because you think about his head shape.
• 51:19
  Yeah. And yeah, then and then the this
• 51:23
  sort of hints at him being, you know, key pivotal to whatever's
• 51:29
  going on. So he could be first of the good
• 51:34
  fire, rocks or whatever, you know.
• 51:38
  Well, another another well, he's not a fair rocks.
• 51:41
  He's something else, but it could that could be one of the
• 51:43
  crown and. Got you.
• 51:45
  Whatever, you know, it doesn't really indicate where what the
• 51:49
  fair ox are. It just says the last of the
• 51:51
  original Cronin races. So is it cast?
• 51:54
  Is it? I don't know what, but yeah.
• 51:57
  And also Alcatar's in Ring 5, isn't it?
• 51:59
  So that's far enough out that the fair Ox might not
• 52:02
  necessarily travel that far out themselves.
• 52:05
  Or is he there because they don't want him around?
• 52:08
  Maybe. We don't know why he's.
• 52:10
  Good stuff. But yeah, I'm really hoping if I
• 52:17
  mean, I'm sure Eric probably isn't listening, but if you are
• 52:19
  listening, Eric, please do a few more the the Cronin racist
• 52:23
  something. I agree.
• 52:24
  With that one, agree with that one.
• 52:26
  Yeah. And then my last fair OX thing
• 52:28
  is I mentioned it very briefly before, was the, as they're the
• 52:31
  military, I'd imagine they're going to have amazing mechs,
• 52:34
  robots, that sort of thing. So when we eventually get to a
• 52:38
  fair Ox wave, I can imagine that being very heavily mech
• 52:41
  orientated and that sort of thing, which is another reason
• 52:44
  why I think maybe it might be further down the line before we
• 52:46
  get a fair ox wave. Now isn't that interesting?
• 52:50
  My visual of the fair Ox immediately because they're an
• 52:55
  ancient race, have been wearing much more ancient armour, which
• 53:00
  I know sounds weird if you're going to control people like the
• 53:04
  Tusk who are so like, who to me are the high tech group?
• 53:08
  The ones with all the money and all the tech.
• 53:13
  Although then there's mentioned, where is it?
• 53:20
  There's mention of that theoremos where there's
• 53:24
  expanding access to text. So maybe there's a, a group in
• 53:28
  there that actually is where all the text coming from.
• 53:31
  I don't know. But yeah, my my thought with
• 53:33
  Fair Ox was that they'd actually be quite ancient in their their
• 53:38
  garb. Eric, if you're listening, I'm
• 53:40
  quite happy to go with Miles version of that too.
• 53:43
  That also sounds awesome. Yeah, I think we've seen
• 53:50
  characters like that even in Star Wars, the prequels, with
• 53:54
  the kind of very ornate robes and stuff like that.
• 53:57
  But it just then suggests there's something else about
• 53:59
  them that would enable them to keep control of everyone that
• 54:04
  isn't necessarily that deck. Maybe I've just The problem is
• 54:13
  now when we talk about this, I've just got visions of Jeremy
• 54:16
  screaming at the radio it. Should be This is why we're
• 54:19
  doing it just to trigger you Jeremy, we'll.
• 54:23
  Turn off, we'll turn our phones on in a bit.
• 54:25
  And then we just got these abusive messages from and going
• 54:27
  seriously, stop giving people false.
• 54:29
  Vote no. I have to pull turn it on on
• 54:32
  Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:35
  Anyway, Rich, continue with the with the circles or or your
• 54:45
  coffin fit that you've quite nicely gone on mute for which I
• 54:48
  appreciate very much. Glass of water and that went the
• 54:51
  wrong way. My apologies.
• 54:53
  So circle three, I would like this to be the big wave for this
• 54:59
  year. Is something set in circle 3?
• 55:04
  I think Obviously so far we've had waves one or two have been
• 55:09
  in the 5th ring. Wave three.
• 55:11
  I can't remember if you said it where it was or not.
• 55:14
  We just called it an outpost, didn't it?
• 55:16
  Outpost. But that could be closer to this
• 55:19
  type of a scenario than. Could be, but I, I think pulling
• 55:23
  us so we've we've had that sort of the out.
• 55:26
  I've got all hands here now so John and Mal can see my hands
• 55:29
  waving all over the place because I'm getting.
• 55:30
  Excited. As long as it doesn't hit your
• 55:31
  mic, I'm good. But yeah, they've they've done 2
• 55:38
  waves in ring five. I wouldn't want them to stay in
• 55:44
  ring 5 for the next big wave. I think that would be a mistake.
• 55:47
  And I think even moving to wave to ring 4 wouldn't necessarily
• 55:50
  work. I think ring three would be more
• 55:53
  of a a system universe building sort of platform in your rights
• 55:59
  that this is this is what they're the main part of
• 56:02
  Cosmirium, as it were, looks like.
• 56:03
  And then we can take you off to four or five to whatever
• 56:06
  afterwards again sort of thing. But I'd be worried if they if
• 56:09
  they kept sticking in five they. I don't think they were.
• 56:13
  They don't know they wouldn't be, they wouldn't be the world
• 56:15
  building and they might lose people a little bit because of
• 56:17
  that. But are we going to get the the
• 56:21
  Cosmic Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker then in this
• 56:25
  ring villager or whatever? The funny thing is, I'd argue
• 56:33
  cosmic villages are genuinely more interesting because in this
• 56:37
  universe they're going to be situated in, well, Alpo Saxius
• 56:42
  and OK, I suppose the chefs and that nobody cares about.
• 56:46
  Although although we see all machines making the food these
• 56:48
  days. True, true.
• 56:49
  You know, anyone that's a human is going to be interesting for
• 56:52
  some reason or another. Or not human but like a non non
• 56:55
  robot. Organic shall we say?
• 56:58
  Yes. Yeah, but I think I think basing
• 57:01
  it in wave 3IN, wave 3IN system three would be it would be a way
• 57:07
  to snag people in like a major storyline.
• 57:09
  Just keep keep it going strong. It'll give the casual collector
• 57:12
  something else to hold on to as well rather than going well,
• 57:14
  this this line looks great, but it's just about a prison and
• 57:17
  something happening in the the outer reaches of this place
• 57:20
  rather than like. And here's here's something
• 57:22
  meaty for the middle to to anchor you and then it can go
• 57:27
  different places. That was one thing as I was
• 57:30
  reading through stuff that I thought actually, you know what,
• 57:32
  this is a fantastic way of doing things is there's so much
• 57:35
  opportunity for side stories, you know, unrelated to the main
• 57:41
  story, or maybe they're characters that are start off in
• 57:43
  a Side Story and join the main story.
• 57:47
  But yeah, which lends it to what you've just said there.
• 57:50
  You could have a whole, doesn't have to be related to the main
• 57:53
  story. You could have a whole little
• 57:54
  bit of a story that's gone on in whichever ring it happens to be.
• 58:00
  It doesn't have to all be focused on the main story at
• 58:02
  all. Yeah, I definitely, yeah, I
• 58:08
  think it was just doing good. Again.
• 58:10
  It's like, oh man, Kylie, I'm telling them what to do for
• 58:12
  business, but just to just to give it.
• 58:14
  Deserve deserve podcast. We can turn them on our podcast.
• 58:18
  It's not like we're ringing up their their offices and saying
• 58:21
  you must do this. This is true.
• 58:26
  I'll just make sure I don't get carried away interim for a day
• 58:28
  and just grab Eric and go right there.
• 58:30
  Eric, here's my idea. It's.
• 58:30
  Different problems. We will not be responsible for
• 58:33
  Rich at the interim for a day as Rich, not rich as a host of the
• 58:39
  Eurasians podcast. We'll make that clear to Jeremy
• 58:42
  right now. And then that takes us to the
• 58:47
  4th ring and reading the story, this is the powder keg.
• 58:51
  This is Terumios Terumios. Which?
• 58:56
  Slog relies on Tarixium because I know from our episode where we
• 59:01
  talked about the cosmic wave one and the figures and Tarixium was
• 59:07
  quite a big part of his story. And this is Perimios, which
• 59:11
  again is is I would say the same type of word.
• 59:16
  And this is where all the tech is created, so I think there
• 59:20
  might be some connection there somehow.
• 59:21
  Maybe not. That's a good show.
• 59:23
  I know they manufactured the Tarixia mountain of Alcatar, but
• 59:28
  you know, maybe the the guy invented it in Tarimios.
• 59:32
  Anyway, guy or girl, sorry. Well.
• 59:36
  Well, it was Ziri Ziri who created it, but.
• 59:39
  That's right. Yeah, it was Ziri.
• 59:41
  It wasn't. It maybe there's some link to
• 59:43
  yeah, as you say, the Rumios through Moss.
• 59:49
  OK, Rich, so what's your? So, yeah, so I, I think it's a
• 59:54
  sort of powder keg. I think people, people are
• 59:56
  getting a taste for independence.
• 59:58
  So you've, you've got people in the third system, the third
• 1:00:01
  ring. Oh, God, there's gonna be
• 1:00:02
  different names here who are just the settled.
• 1:00:05
  They're just getting on with their lives.
• 1:00:06
  You know, this is, this is the way it's always been done.
• 1:00:08
  The fair rocks are relatively close to them.
• 1:00:11
  So if anything does happen, they're there straight away.
• 1:00:14
  Whereas this is the, you know, people are getting more access
• 1:00:16
  to more stuff by the storyline. They're going to start wanting
• 1:00:20
  independence. This is where it might kick off
• 1:00:21
  a little bit. And I could my suggestion again
• 1:00:25
  would be next year do a a ring four wave and have it some sort
• 1:00:30
  of independence movement against some fair ox military people
• 1:00:34
  coming in to try and put that down.
• 1:00:37
  Sounds good. Yeah, sounds good.
• 1:00:40
  And then you could have the you know, the fair Ox would probably
• 1:00:43
  win. Then the independence people
• 1:00:44
  flee to the 5th ring, and then you can circle it back then to
• 1:00:47
  Alcatar and do all that sort of thing if you want to.
• 1:00:52
  And then the 5th ring, I mean, this one, this is the one with
• 1:00:54
  the most possibilities, obviously, because it's all
• 1:00:56
  uncharted space. Not, you know, not necessarily
• 1:00:59
  that populous and that sort of thing.
• 1:01:03
  But. As I said, my worry is the line
• 1:01:05
  will get sucked into staying in the 5th ring too long.
• 1:01:08
  It's, you know, it's, it's not, it's not a Mandalorian set up.
• 1:01:14
  It's that, you know, it's not just about the Outer Rim and all
• 1:01:16
  that sort of stuff. It's you want to pull it back
• 1:01:18
  to, you know, excuse all the Star Wars references, but pull
• 1:01:22
  it back to chorus and and have all that sort of thing going on.
• 1:01:24
  So, but yeah, you know, you could do.
• 1:01:27
  Let's not focus on the negative here, like let's, let's trust
• 1:01:30
  them that they're going to do the right thing.
• 1:01:32
  Oh, absolutely. I need an 800% day, 100%.
• 1:01:35
  Did they? They've not, you know, done us
• 1:01:36
  wrong so far. But it gives you this.
• 1:01:39
  This ring, I think, in particular gives you scope for
• 1:01:41
  lots of smaller factions and smaller waves.
• 1:01:44
  So you could have like a criminal gang with, you know,
• 1:01:46
  four or five figures if you wanted to fit a smaller wave in
• 1:01:49
  somewhere. You could have a few bounty
• 1:01:50
  hunters, you could have pirates which Mal would pass out with
• 1:01:54
  excitement over. Very cool bounty hunters as
• 1:01:57
  well. And anyone who's a little bit
• 1:01:59
  rogue, you know, he's, he's very cool in my book.
• 1:02:01
  Novian Lean. He's our brother, fans.
• 1:02:04
  Yeah, yes. No, my, my cosmic customs have
• 1:02:07
  already got a lot of bounty hunters in.
• 1:02:10
  I still I still smile with such happiness that your was What was
• 1:02:16
  the name of your crew? The the I've listened to this
• 1:02:21
  three or four times Edit and it's.
• 1:02:22
  Something of doom. Oh, it was the Templars of Dooms
• 1:02:25
  one, but there's the scumbags of the galaxies.
• 1:02:27
  Scumbags of the Galaxy, that was it.
• 1:02:29
  Yeah, Yeah. This made me smile every time I
• 1:02:31
  heard it. Brilliant.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah. So that was that was my take on
• 1:02:38
  the rings, really just what I think of them.
• 1:02:41
  I think that's good. I think that's.
• 1:02:42
  Good. I think that that really fleshes
• 1:02:46
  them out more in terms of of a kind of an overview and also in
• 1:02:53
  terms of maybe potential that they could have and why they're
• 1:02:58
  actually structured the way they are.
• 1:03:19
  None.