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GUEST: Brooks Austin, AI Recruiting, 24-Team Playoff, NEW CFB Blue Bloods, Big Ten, SEC, ACC Payouts & More · Unafraid Show with George Wrighster

• 0:00
  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. College football recruiting. It is taking
• 0:04
  Speaker 1: a huge turn with AI. We got recruits faking highlights
• 0:08
  Speaker 1: and the possibility that AI may actually be doing player
• 0:12
  Speaker 1: or evaluations. Is that a good or bad thing? The
• 0:14
  Speaker 1: Big Ten it paid out over one point three seven
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: billion dollars to its member schools for the twenty twenty
• 0:22
  Speaker 1: four to twenty five year. That is more than the SEC,
• 0:25
  Speaker 1: the Big Ten, and the ACC And why that matter,
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: Big twelve. They are making a risky private equity play,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm going to explain to you why it matters
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  Speaker 1: and who the players are and what the interest on
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  Speaker 1: this is going to look like. Kirbie smart Oh, he
• 0:41
  Speaker 1: reluctantly had to give credit to the Big Ten, but
• 0:44
  Speaker 1: he also says some things that needs to be talked
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  Speaker 1: about as well, including the twenty four team playoffs, because
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: it is starting to gain steam with the coaches, but
• 0:55
  Speaker 1: fans absolutely hate the idea. So why are they doing it?
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  Speaker 1: Is one obvious answer. And also we got my man
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  Speaker 1: Brooks Austin in the building. We got to talk about
• 1:05
  Speaker 1: college football blue bloods. A lot of people think that
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  Speaker 1: they're blue bloods and the old days are the old
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• 1:29
  Speaker 1: Let's get too. The best thing that I saw today
• 1:42
  Speaker 1: This came from the world The Baseball's going on too.
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  Speaker 1: I think get a big card show. Oh no, the
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  Speaker 1: little bro ruin the moment?
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  Speaker 2: Through it back, Little broad through the ball back? Are
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  Speaker 2: you kidding me?
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  Speaker 3: Oh no, Hey bro, remember that Father's Day back in
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three when you cost me a foul ball.
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  Speaker 2: This is a father's day. Oh we got this evident
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  Speaker 2: to be forgotten.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome back to Fenway Park. He doesn't want
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: to get mad at the other brothers for throwing it back.
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  Speaker 1: It was just an instinct. We already know that AI
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  Speaker 1: is potentially putting people out of jobs, impacting the future,
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  Speaker 1: but now college football is being infiltrated by AI. Recruits
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  Speaker 1: are faking highlights, and now there's an idea that recruiting
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  Speaker 1: evaluation may be done by AI to like sift through
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  Speaker 1: even more of it. But before we even get into
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  Speaker 1: that and why all of that matters. Let's talk about
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  Speaker 1: how it's being used currently right now in Big Ten
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  Speaker 1: and other college football offices, and it is used majority
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  Speaker 1: of the time like me and you use it to
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  Speaker 1: check text, messages graphics. Now, let's go to the University
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  Speaker 1: of Florida. Florida hired a dude named Benjamin Elsner. It
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  Speaker 1: was to quote lead the program's efforts and analytics and
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  Speaker 1: AI for all parts of the organization. So when Billy
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  Speaker 1: Napier and his staff got fired, new head coach John
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  Speaker 1: Summer all comes in. Everybody was gone except for Elsner.
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  Speaker 1: Wonder why? And before last year Nebraska tasked this dude
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  Speaker 1: named Sean Padden, the Assistant ad for Strategic Intelligence, with
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  Speaker 1: using an AI agent to narrow the pool of fourteen
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  Speaker 1: thousand transfer portal names down to four in order to
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  Speaker 1: figure out who to pursue. These things are happening. In
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, Huddle Hudl, which is best known for
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  Speaker 1: his monopoly on high school game film, it acquired a
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  Speaker 1: company called stats Bomb. That was last May, and then
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  Speaker 1: the company announced that they had a new product, Huddle Iq.
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  Speaker 1: It is a data and analytics platform that uses AI
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  Speaker 1: to tag formations, routes, coverages, blitzes, and game film to
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  Speaker 1: help recruiting and to help gain prep because coaches can
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  Speaker 1: now put a play on and then help search for
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  Speaker 1: other plays and formations like it the way you can
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  Speaker 1: get tendencies on teams and all sorts of other things. Right,
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  Speaker 1: And then you had TeamWorks, which is a software company
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  Speaker 1: primarily used for roster management. They were announcing that they
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  Speaker 1: were having a round of funding to accelerate AI powered innovation.
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  Speaker 1: Two years later, from this sort of thing happening, where
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  Speaker 1: are we? So you got Antonio Morales. He just dropped
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  Speaker 1: an article in the Athletic. It is detailing that people
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  Speaker 1: are using AI in recruiting. Now here's his quote. We
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  Speaker 1: have some alums. They built out an AI agent that
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  Speaker 1: watches film. They have our grades. It's watched hundreds of
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  Speaker 1: hours of film to train itself for watching kids highlights
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  Speaker 1: and giving them an initial grade, and if they have
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  Speaker 1: a good enough grade, we'll dig into it more. We
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  Speaker 1: are getting to the point where if a kid sends
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  Speaker 1: off his film, it's not even going to be evaluated
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  Speaker 1: by a human. Think about that to get recruited to
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  Speaker 1: go to college. Now you essentially got to get through
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  Speaker 1: a social media algorithm, a YouTube style algorithm that says, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is good content, this is what people want to watch,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we're looking for. That is a tough barrier. Now,
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  Speaker 1: on one hand, you know AI is very smart. It
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  Speaker 1: can probably help, But does that mean that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of kids are going to get missed falling through the cracks?
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  Speaker 1: Because that already happens now, because there are some kids
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  Speaker 1: that are three stars that should be high four stars,
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  Speaker 1: guys that are five stars that should be three stars.
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  Speaker 1: Because film evaluation is subjective. So I would ask the
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  Speaker 1: question to you is do you feel more comfortable with
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  Speaker 1: humans watching the film or do you think AI can
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  Speaker 1: be a huge benefit for you and your team because
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  Speaker 1: you had a group of six general manager, tell the
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  Speaker 1: dude who wrote the article, Rales. He said, AI can
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  Speaker 1: sort through it and instead of us sorting through five thousand,
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  Speaker 1: just give us the top five hundred that we should
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  Speaker 1: be paying attention to and that'll save us time. So
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  Speaker 1: we're evaluating the right ones, not evaluating everybody. And then
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  Speaker 1: this begs the question is is AI then going to
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  Speaker 1: take over recruiting. You won't know until twenty thirty twenty
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  Speaker 1: thirty one. If the AI was right about these kids,
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  Speaker 1: and it's gonna take multiple cycles, all right. Next thing up,
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  Speaker 1: Kirby Smart. Oh, he gave credit to the Big Ten. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: it hurt him, and it hurt him to his soul.
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  Speaker 1: Because Kirby Smart has now taken over for Nick Saban
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  Speaker 1: is college football's reigning quote machine. He actually just sat
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  Speaker 1: down with Josh Pate talking about the potential expansion to
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  Speaker 1: the twenty fourteen playoff. So Kirby talking about the Big
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  Speaker 1: Ten passing the SEC, Oh, you could tell it was
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  Speaker 1: hurting them. But he still couldn't give him the full
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  Speaker 1: credit because he said, at the top of our conference,
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  Speaker 1: there's more good teams used to be Ohio State was good, good, Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 1: Michigan was really good with Jim Harbaugh and had a
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  Speaker 1: great team. Indiana's good. Like now you got Oregon, They've
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  Speaker 1: got a draw. They have the ability to track good players.
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  Speaker 1: Then he talked about nil. He was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Miami's got money too, nil as a factor. But the
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  Speaker 1: big thing that he said, he talked about that the
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  Speaker 1: talent is now spread out. Before the SEC was just
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  Speaker 1: hoarding it all. And then when he talked about Indiana.
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  Speaker 1: He said that it can change quick, but it doesn't
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  Speaker 1: explain why the Big Ten has been able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: And that's just I have so much respect to them.
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, are they better coaches than us? Kirby the
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  Speaker 1: answers yes. The answers yes, And it's it's that the
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  Speaker 1: SEC had relied on the talent so much. There's no
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  Speaker 1: denying that the SEC had more players drafted in this
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  Speaker 1: past NFL draft to twenty twenty six draft. But then
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: you wonder, why can't our teams beat those teams in
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  Speaker 1: the playoffs from other conferences which are less talented. It
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  Speaker 1: has to be coaching, right, Well, I believe that that's
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  Speaker 1: an issue. But the other thing is that the SEC
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  Speaker 1: has relied on that talent and thinking and the idea
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  Speaker 1: we're just better than everybody else, and they are being
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  Speaker 1: humbled to the fact that they can't just roll their
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  Speaker 1: helmets on the field and win anymore.
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  Speaker 2: But he is.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely may read to the idea of the SEC grind though,
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  Speaker 1: just like Lane Kiffing and anybody else in the SEC.
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  Speaker 1: He said, a lot of coaches in this meeting say
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  Speaker 1: that the Big Ten doesn't have the grind that we do.
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  Speaker 1: There's no way. Three of their nine conference games are hard.
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  Speaker 1: Their bottom four games are not our four bottom games.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to Starkville, Mississippi State, and Vanderbilt in my
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  Speaker 1: bottom four, and I'm holding up Vanderbilt fans. Do not
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  Speaker 1: take that. Do not take that. You are a different
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  Speaker 1: program now, he said. And I'm holding on to my
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  Speaker 1: butt to be able to play at noon on Saturday
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  Speaker 1: at Starkville and playing a good team who beat Arizona State,
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  Speaker 1: who goes and plays these other teams. So in theory,
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  Speaker 1: we're beating each other up. It's like the intensity wears
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  Speaker 1: you down. Stop it, stop it, Garby, stop it, Garbby,
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  Speaker 1: love your Curby, amazing coach. The reality is as much
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  Speaker 1: of the SEC grind. When you go to those November cupcakes,
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  Speaker 1: you get a whole week off. But now that you're
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  Speaker 1: playing nine games, I'm telling you SEC fans right now,
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  Speaker 1: you have no idea the horrors and the horror stories
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  Speaker 1: that you are going to experience with a nine game
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  Speaker 1: conference schedule. Everybody else has felt it, You guys are
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  Speaker 1: going to fill it deeply. When your sixteens play your
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  Speaker 1: twelves and they're close to the playoff and one of
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  Speaker 1: them get knocked down. It is going to hurt your heart.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, it will rip it out. It sucks,
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Next thing up, the Big Ten just
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  Speaker 1: paid out its money to its schools, and it is
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  Speaker 1: even more evidence that college football is a money making enterprise.
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  Speaker 1: The Big Ten paid out over one point three seven
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  Speaker 1: billion dollars to its member schools for the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 1: four to twenty twenty five year. That's more than the SEC,
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  Speaker 1: more than the Big twelve and the ACC. So for
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  Speaker 1: that year, out of that one point three seven billion
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  Speaker 1: dollars to its eighteen members, that's an average of seventy
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  Speaker 1: six million dollars per school. But you had Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: get ninety one point six, penn State got eighty eight
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  Speaker 1: point nine new members, like Oregon and Washington who only
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  Speaker 1: received partial shares of forty six and forty eight million dollars.
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  Speaker 1: The money from the conference is only part of the
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  Speaker 1: money that these athletic departments generate and the football teams
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  Speaker 1: generate alone. So you had a school like Ohio State
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  Speaker 1: that went on to win the College Football Playoff, they
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  Speaker 1: generated in that season more than three hundred and thirty
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  Speaker 1: six million dollars for that twenty twenty five fiscal year,
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  Speaker 1: and that topped the conference's leaderboard. Then you had the
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  Speaker 1: team that was second but sixty million dollars behind at
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  Speaker 1: Michigan at two hundred and seventy five point eight million.
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  Speaker 1: Then you had Penn State that generated nearly two fifty
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  Speaker 1: five which is forty one million dollars more than the
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  Speaker 1: number four team, which was Nebraska. And then you got
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  Speaker 1: teams at the bottom of the Big ten, where you
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  Speaker 1: had Maryland where they reported just one hundred and twenty
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  Speaker 1: four million in revenue. That's three point eight million dollars
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  Speaker 1: less than it did the previous year and twenty two
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  Speaker 1: point six million below any other Big ten public school NOE, Like,
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  Speaker 1: how big of a disparity there is from the top
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  Speaker 1: of the league to the bottom of the league and
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  Speaker 1: totally as a group the Big ten sixteen public athletic departments,
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  Speaker 1: so obviously that's leaving out Northwestern and leaving out USC
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  Speaker 1: they generated three point one one eight billion dollars in
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  Speaker 1: revenue and spent three point one two six in the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five fiscal year. Now four schools athletic departments
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  Speaker 1: they ran a deficit and that's down from eight who
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: were in the red in the twenty twenty four fiscal year.
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  Speaker 1: So the question is, how does this then compare to
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  Speaker 1: the SEC, Because the SEC distributed over a little over
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: a billion dollars to their sixteen members, and that's an
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  Speaker 1: average of seventy two point four million dollars per school,
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: and most of the full time members received this, but
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  Speaker 1: you had Texas and Oklahoma who received a little bit
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  Speaker 1: less than their first year as members. So this is
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  Speaker 1: an increase of more than two hundred million dollars to
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  Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three to twenty four season wish the
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: conference only distributed eight hundred and eight million dollars. Now,
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: let's contrast that to the ACC and the Big twelve
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  Speaker 1: because they have not released their twenty twenty four to
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: twenty five full year per school averages yet because it
• 12:14
  Speaker 1: normally comes from their tax fileings Now, the ACC, though
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  Speaker 1: in the prior year, the twenty three to twenty four season,
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  Speaker 1: they averaged about forty five million dollars per full member,
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  Speaker 1: and then Notre Dame, who's in there as part of
• 12:28
  Speaker 1: everything except for football, they received less. But you had
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  Speaker 1: revenue grow in twenty four to twenty five due to
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: the College Football Playoff expansion and their new members cale
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  Speaker 1: Stanford and SMU. But the projections are that there's going
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  Speaker 1: to be a wider variation because of the way the
• 12:43
  Speaker 1: ACC uses its performance based models, and they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be somewhere in between thirty five and sixty five million
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  Speaker 1: dollars depending on which schools, because the ACC also allows
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  Speaker 1: teams to retain one hundred percent of their College Football
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  Speaker 1: Playoff revenue instead of sharing it with the conference as
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  Speaker 1: a hole, which I think other people may end up
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  Speaker 1: considering on some level. Now, for the twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 1: to twenty five season, the Big Twelve is expected to
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  Speaker 1: distribute a total of five hundred and fifty eight million dollars,
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  Speaker 1: with their schools receiving roughly around thirty five and a
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  Speaker 1: half million dollars, though it's obviously going to vary depending
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  Speaker 1: on the shares that their new members get. Now, let's
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: take a step back from the actual numbers right and
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: look at what we're being told out in the media.
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  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, college sports is broken. We need to get
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  Speaker 1: back to good old days where it's about academics, it's
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: about you know, the love of the game, building great
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  Speaker 1: leaders and the future of the country and only one
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: percent will go pro. Well, the reality is that ninety
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  Speaker 1: five percent of them want to go pro. And I
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  Speaker 1: firmly believe, yes, we need to be building character, great leaders,
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  Speaker 1: all of them things, but those are byproducts of sports,
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  Speaker 1: right and now the sports are the draw like football
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  Speaker 1: is a money making enterprise. This is why the value
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  Speaker 1: of the scholarship is now significantly lower than what the
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  Speaker 1: players are generating in revenue. Yes, scholarships are valuable, but
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  Speaker 1: it is important to pay attention with the value of
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  Speaker 1: a scholarship is versus what the cost of it is.
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  Speaker 1: Because just putting one more kid in school and housing
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  Speaker 1: and all of that stuff, what does it actually cost
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  Speaker 1: the university, whether what the value of it is, those
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  Speaker 1: are two separate things. And now with the money that's
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  Speaker 1: coming in from TV everything else, it's far outpaced the
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  Speaker 1: value of the scholarship being commensurate with the trade off.
• 14:40
  Speaker 1: You got the University of Texas, they have a valuation
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  Speaker 1: of their athletic department of one point four eight billion dollars,
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  Speaker 1: Ohio State one point three five, Texas A and M
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: one point three as well. This is big business coming
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  Speaker 1: on the heels of these payouts. The Big Twelve has
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  Speaker 1: now proposed and they're putting into place what I believe
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  Speaker 1: a very risky private equity play. Leagues presidents and chancellors.
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  Speaker 1: They ratified the five year agreement with their capital partner, Redbird,
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  Speaker 1: as well as weather for Capital. Now they're finalizing a
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  Speaker 1: three prong package that is going to deliver an infusion
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  Speaker 1: of capital to the Big twelve and their member of schools.
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  Speaker 1: So you're going to have at least twelve and a
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  Speaker 1: half million dollars that goes to the League office to
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  Speaker 1: drive commercial development and business groups growth. So then they're
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  Speaker 1: going to give the schools and option to opt in
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  Speaker 1: to a credit line of thirty million dollars each, and
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  Speaker 1: they're going to offer strategic business partnerships that could pay
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  Speaker 1: off when the conference goes next to market for their
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: media rights. This sounds like some Larry Scott math right
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  Speaker 1: here from the Pac twelve, which did not work in Granted,
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  Speaker 1: they didn't get a private equity deal, but this is
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  Speaker 1: where we're heading. So Redbird, the company that the Big
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: twelve uses already they've already proven their wors with the
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Big twelve because they said one hundred thirty million dollars
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  Speaker 1: worth of revenue over the next five years through business
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  Speaker 1: arrangements with entities such as PayPal and players Era. But
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  Speaker 1: that's different than what is going on right now. And
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned Larry Scott, former commissioner of the PAC twelve,
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  Speaker 1: because he used to float this idea of keeping the
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  Speaker 1: PAC twelve alive, and now it's becoming a standard for
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  Speaker 1: people to align with private equity. So that twelve and
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  Speaker 1: a half million dollars that I talked about that goes
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  Speaker 1: to the league, then that number is supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: able to grow. It is supposed to help grow the league.
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  Speaker 1: According to the Kansas president dorg Gerard Redbird, though they
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: have over fifteen billion dollars in management, they got assets
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  Speaker 1: with an array of companies and its portfolio including Paramount Global.
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  Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Could we actually be seeing the
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Big twelve on CBS because of the strategic partnership there,
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  Speaker 1: and being that Airmount now owns Turner Sports, you could
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  Speaker 1: be seeing them on TNT and Turner as well. The
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  Speaker 1: college presidents they certainly hope that this is the result
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  Speaker 1: of this. So now let's go to that thirty million
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  Speaker 1: dollars in credit, right because credit we know how credit
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  Speaker 1: cards work. It costs money. So the Big twelve schools
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  Speaker 1: have a year to make the decision on that thirty
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  Speaker 1: million dollars, and people within the conference believe as few
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  Speaker 1: as two and as many as half a dozen of
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  Speaker 1: their programs plan to take the money, which comes at
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: a rate of ten percent. So that's almost three million
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  Speaker 1: dollars in interest per year if you took the whole
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  Speaker 1: thirty million. But if you're desperate today, we know how
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: payday loans work. And this Big twelve capital infusion with
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: private equity is actually different than Utah who already has
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: their private equity partner in Auto Capital, because that is
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: driven by Utah fans and people who are already invested
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  Speaker 1: into the program with them trying to use their private
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  Speaker 1: equity to invest money into it. That way, instead of
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: having to keep putting nil money in every year and donate,
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  Speaker 1: they can actually grow the money and grow the business
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  Speaker 1: of Utah Sports and make a profit. So that's the difference.
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  Speaker 1: And now the lasting the twenty four team college football
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  Speaker 1: Playoff is starting to gain steam with the coaches. According
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: to Joel Klapp, the media is talking about it more,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: but the reality is that fans absolutely hate the idea,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: and college football is running the risks of pulling in
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: NBA and losing their fans. So you wonder if fans
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: don't want it, why the possible expansion to twenty four teams.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: It is money, that is it, and they are forgetting
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: that this is entertainment for US fans. That college football
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: coaches want to move to twenty four is because they
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: foolishly believe that this is going to give them job security.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Because right now, what are you hearing at USC Make
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the College Football playoffs? Make the CFP, Make the cf
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: that my job will be safe if I make the CFP,
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: And yeah, that might work for one or two years,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: give you a little bit of a reprieve, but then
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: the goalpost is just gonna move further backwards like it
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: is supposed to feel exclusive. And that's why it's frustrating
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: for fans because we do not want this. We like
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: and love the idea of exclusivity. When we moved from
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: four to twelve, that was three times more, three times more.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: It should feel incredibly hard to make the playoffs, and
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: if you lose the value on the regular season, you
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: are risking doing what the NBA has fallen victim to
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I love the NBA. Loved it. I used to watch
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: almost every single Laker game. I talked to it a
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: kid of an NBA player who's trying to go to
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: the NBA, and he's like, Yo, this is it's hard
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: for me to watch. And I've talked to many NBA
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: fans about this, Like, guys, we used to talk about
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: ball every day. If you're losing those fans because you're
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: regular season product, sucks. Because everybody is shooting for the playoffs,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: Let's make a run at the playoffs instead of valuing
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: every single opportunity that we get. This is why there
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: has to be some sort of schedule uniformity. Fans deserve
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: more good games. So that's the issue. That's the issue
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: with the twenty fourteen playoff. Fans hate it. It's bad
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: idea for everybody. But up next, though, my man Brooks
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: Austin is in the building, and we got to talk
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: about college football blue bloods. Who is a blue blood,
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: who's not a blue blood, and also can you lose
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: your blue blood status? We're gonna talk about it. I'm
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: with my man Brooks Austin, and we have given you,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: guys a gift and undertaking a labor of love for
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the college football blue bloods. Because there's been a lot
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: of talk college football blue bloods. They want to go
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: back to nineteen thirties and the fifties and the seventies. No,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: we're focused on what's been going on for the last
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: twenty five years of college football because that's what we
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: determined is the most relevant. Would you agree with that, Brooks?
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: I mean that's a little disrespectful to the Fordham Rams.
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: They were pretty good back in the twenties, to be
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: honest with you, but no, off with you. We were
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: talking about this in text messages. Is like, Man, if
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: you ran off like you know, a string of titles
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: in the forties, like Minnesota, or if you ran a
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: string of titles off with the Wishbone in the nineties
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: like Nebraska, and you haven't been like really relative or
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: relevant in the last twenty five years, it's hard to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: do it. The way I think about blue Blades is like,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: does your logo carry weight? If your logo shows up
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: on the chest in a room full of other logos,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: does your logo matter? And I think the group of
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: logos that we settled on today are ultimately kind of undeniable,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and I'm glad that you applied metrics to it because
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not a super metrics guy. I'm a field guy,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: and oftentimes my gut, my big old gut, gets me
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: in trouble. I got bad feel for some of this stuff.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I forgot. I'll best round forget somebody, you know. So
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we have stern metrics that are relatively undeniable,
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: which I think we're going to ultimately settle on tonight.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, So the metrics that we landed on to determine
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: who the current college football blue bloods are because one
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: of the questions that I had was can you lose
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: blue blood status or can you earn blue blood status?
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: And some people are like, no, you are what you are,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: and you know, and the thing about the old days
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: is that they the old days. So the metrics that
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: we are using the number of and where you're going
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: over the last twenty five years, and we're going for
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: the last fourteen years, which is the college football Playoff.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: But when it comes to recruiting rankings, there's a little
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: bit of a caveat which we will explain to you.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: So the metrics number one AP top five finishes where
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: you finished in the rankings. That gets your two points.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: The college football playoff appearance get your two points. The
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: A conference title gets your three points. A national championship
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: gets your five points. Top ten recruiting classes since two
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: thousand and five, because before that the rankings getting a
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: little muddy, and you know it just there's not enough data.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: All this stuff that gets you three points. And then
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: the number of NFL first round picks because we got
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: to honor the SEC because they want to go total
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: draft picks to the first round picks. And now it's
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: total draft picks. You get one point for that. I
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: had to throw that in there, brooks Well.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, I'm gonna get out ahead
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: of this AP polls. They're biased. Everybody knows that AP
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: poles top ten recruiting matters, but recruiting doesn't matter. Look
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: Indiana SEC bias hack. All right, we got it all
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: out of the way. All right, it's all out of
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: the way now, all right, now, now we can actually
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: do the segment and the show. I do think like
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: if I were to like tweak this, and it's too
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: late to tweak this, I don't know if a top
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: ten class should be worth equal as a you know,
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: a conference title, you know what I mean. I feel
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: a little weird about that.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: But again, a little too late to tweak the the SEC,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: because the SEC.
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know you were trying. You
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: were trying to, like Homer, homer it for me, so
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't have to homer it for us. I appreciate
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: you doing that, George, always looking out for you, boy,
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Man.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: Man, listen, I'm trying to land the plane safely the way.
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: People from the SEC aren't just saying, oh West Coast
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: hack man, They're trying to They only pick metrics that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: we don't care about.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: Well, to be fair, one of the best recruiting powerhouses
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: that college football has ever created, it resides at the
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: Big Ten in the form of Ohio State. So it's
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: favoring them some of this and some of these metrics
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: as well.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Absolutely so. And we'll just go back back and forth.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: So I'll announce the first team number one, the blue
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: blood of all blue bloods for the last twenty five years,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: and it ain't even close. Is the Alabama Crimson tie.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: We got twelve twelve ap top five finishes, nine college
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: football playoff appearances, which is absurd. Nine conference titles six.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: We've only had twelve of them. Hold on, we've only
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: had twelve. We've only had twelve college football playoffs. They've
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: been in nine of them, seventy five percent, seventy five percent,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Crimson tie. That's insane.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: Go ahead's absurd. Nineteen top ten recruiting classes and fifty
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: one first round draft picks.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: Buddy, could you imagine modern times being the jackass of
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: a GM in Alabama that didn't sign the top ten class?
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: What happened the five years they didn't? You know what
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I mean? What was going on? Then? I with sleep
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: at the Wheel, I guess you know, honestly, this is
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: one of there's probably three or four schools here that
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: if we did this at any time period over the
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: last if you want to do forty five years, if
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: you want to do sixty five years, I think Alabama
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: would pretty be firmly intrenched inside the top three whatever
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: metric you do in terms of blue blood status you
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: know here. So yeah, it feels right that they're at one, especially,
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, damn all the winning, all the way when
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: you we were doing all these exercises before when you
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: do it like that, when you say it like that,
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: nine out of twelve yes, college football playoffs have featured
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: the Alabama Chris of tide. That is in saying now,
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: some people will say two of them they got you know, gifted,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: and they were allowed or should have been in there
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: this year, and the FSU screwing you know, if you
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: wanted to look at me, Man, I'm it is late
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: at night. I am off the SEC rocker right now. Man,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: what is going on? I'm sorry. I'm sorry to all
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: my SEC fans listening today. I apologize. I am not you,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: just you are ball I'm vulnerable. I'm vulnerable.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: When the baller sits with the truth teller, things just
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: come out.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Man. Oh man, but nah, they're being at one a
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: pretty sizable gap here in the points system there at
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: two O seven. I want to spoil number two, but
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: they're fourteen points ahead. It's a lot. You know. They
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: have dominated the last twenty five years of college football
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: bar nine.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's where I think the next ten years
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: are gonna be hard on Alabama fans. Yeah, all right,
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: you can announce number two. We'll just go back and forth.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so number two with one hundred and ninety three
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: total points and a real sizable gap between two and three.
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: Here just fourteen total points in the scoring systems. Between
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: one and two is Ohio State the Buckeyes. They have
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: seventeen top five final ranking finishes. They've been in seven
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: of the fourteen college football playoffs. They have eleven Big
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Ten conference titles. They've won three national titles in the
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: last twenty five years, which somehow feels light me like,
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: it feels light like the last one five years, I
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: might surely they got like five or six up. Nope,
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: they've got three. And they have seventeen top ten signing
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: classes in just the last twenty years alone. And they
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: have forty six first round draft picks. That's a lot.
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: That is a powerhouse. I mean, they're such a sizable
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: gap between Georgia and Ohio State and what they've done
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: from a winning recruiting and NFL production standpoint that they
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: are kind of in a league of their own over
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: the last twenty five years in college football.
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: When you do it like this, yeah, And the thing
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: about it, so, when I first got into media, prior
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: to getting on the radio, I was writing and then
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: I started working at fan Sided and I remember thinking
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: that Alabama was the biggest brand in college football because
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: they were winning everything. You see their number one on
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: the blue Blood chart. And then the head editor there
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: he was like, yo, I need you to write something
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: about Ohio State. I was like why, He said, Okay,
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: here's an exercise. Write an article about Alabama. Write an
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: article about Ohio State two weeks in a row, and
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: see how they do. Ohio State always comes out on top,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: it like, because they have like a damn near a
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: million living alumni, so that definitely helps.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: George. I'm just I am bamboozled at the idea that
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: a player like you, who had a career like you
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: had to write like for aside it Buddy. I played
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Division two ball and I had to write for fanaidy.
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: They didn't let you get on the radio after playing
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: Oregon in the league. What you had to go right? What? Like?
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: Did you just do it for the love of the game. Yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: I mean God tract things. But like, no, so to you,
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: because you ain't have to do that. You're George Whitfield.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Anybody listening to this, most of us that want to
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: do this for a living, we have to write first.
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I had to write first because I played Division two ball.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: You're you're big league, you got a big obah, Yeah,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: what's going on?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: So the so the reason why I started writing is
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: because I wanted to talk about all sports and and
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: one of the producers told me, he was like, yo,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: you're gonna be known as a football player, so start writing.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: And then and then I ended up ghost writing for
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: some people on ESPN and other stuff. So it was
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: a it was a.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, So it was it was for the love of
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: the game. You just you just educated and wanted to
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: stunt that you could write. That's that's that's what Okay, Okay,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: you know, so it's all right, you got to sharpen
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: the tool. You got to sharpen the toolach.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I like it.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: I like it the more. That's a hustler, George Whitfield,
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: that's a hustler. Yeah. No, where were we at?
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Okay? So we got Georgia is at number three AP
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: top five final rankings. We got eight college football playoff appearances,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: five conference title six, two national championships, and obviously those
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: were recent, but twenty top ten recruiting classes and thirty
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: four first round NFL picks, and I still remember oh,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: and that's a total of one hundred and forty eight
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: points compared to Ohio State at one ninety three.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: And this is our goodest gap, right, this is our
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: biggest gap on the list that we're going to have today.
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Georgia is like, you can just kind of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: pencil them in the college football playoff now. And what
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: Kirby Smart has done, I mean, think about when they win,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: they fired the last coach. Everybody's like, Georgia's George is
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: never gonna win. They're they're just gonna be good. Ten wins,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: nine wins, whatever, They're never gonna win. Kirby Smart has
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: he has gotten him into the blue blood conversation because
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: without Kirby they're still standing on the outside.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm looking at this as the thirty four first
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: round draft picks since two thousand. I think twenty six
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of those thirty four are Kirby Smart's. And he's been
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the head coach since twenty sixteen, so just the last
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: nine years or ten years, ten seasons of this twenty
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: five season pool, Kirby Smart's got this football program. I mean,
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: he's done ninety percent of the lifting on this data.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: He's done one hundred percent of the winning apart from
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: like one conference title. I think when Mark Rick in
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the last twenty five years, so he's done ninety percent
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: of this lifting in these metrics, and he's already pulled
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: them into number three. I think if you did this
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: just over the last ten years, I mean, George's probably
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: the top three years, right, that's what I'm saying. But
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: if you did just the last ten years, there's probably
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: Georgia o'house state and Alabama at the top, and then
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: a sizable wage gap. But we have the last twenty
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: five years, so we see this way, this major gap
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: between two and three. You're right, I think. I think
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: Kirby's gonna rapidly change these numbers pretty quickly over the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: next I don't know, five to ten years, however much
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: longer he's got left.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's still young. He's in his early forties, right, No.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: No, No, he's like forty nine. I think he's pushing fifty.
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's still yeah, that's he's if he gonna coach
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: as long as say, but he's still got a long time.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if we coach as long as
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: saving he's fifty, I don't I don't know if he
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: coaches till he seventy two, seventy three. The idea that
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Kirby Smart has twenty three more years, just go ahead,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: rewrite all record books at that point, he gonna shatter
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: them all. If he goes twenty three more years of
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: coaching football at University of Georgia, look out, that would
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: be I would be like some who is buddy that
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: played all them games at shortstop for the Orioles.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: That would be that Cayle Ripkin.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be a cal Ripkin s type of
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: coaching performance. Dear God, especially under modern ages of college.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Imagine not getting fired for like thirty years in college.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: Oh well, they would never.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, like where like they even pushed Bobby Bowden
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: out at some point in point in time. Yeah, but
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: imagine if you're able, if he's able to keep this
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: thing going for another twenty years, that would be sick.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: That'd be sick.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be It would be sick. It would
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: be really sick, really sick. All right, all right, Next up,
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: this was a shocker to me, George. This is an
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: absolute shock to me. This is one of my primary
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: takeaways that damn Bobby Stoops, there's a football coach. Yes,
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma being at number four, Oklahoma being at number four
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: with one hundred and twenty points on this semester. I know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: but like I'm a no offense, I'm slightly younger, you know,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: like the like Jason White with Jason White was the thing. Dude,
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: I was like seven, wonder why this twenty five year
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: old was winning the high schean Like I didn't understand
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: I would, you know what I'm saying, Like I was real,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: real young. I wasn't around for the hypes, you know,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: the hypel train. I wasn't around for this like coherent.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: But damn, Bob Stoops won a lot of football games,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: yes he did, hord. Let me read these these data
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: points off for you. My bad. I was getting all
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: hyped about Bobby Stoops. Uh, here we go. Let's see
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: Oklahoma here on the text messages. Let's scroll down a
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: little bit. They have eight top five final rankings over
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: the last twenty five years, five college football playoff appearances,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: thirteen conference title I mean they own the Big twelve
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: my god, thirteen conference titles, zero national championships, twelve top
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: ten recruiting classes, and nineteen first round draft picks. Texas
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: don't want to see about Oklahoma in a Big twelve
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: show down. I'm gonna tell you that right now.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: No, no, noech Texas. Texas is barely clinging on to
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that national championship that they beat USC one more one
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: more year is pushed out. Well, actually, no, no, no,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: because it's twenty five years. So they still got you know,
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: they still got a little wild to hold on to
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: that thing. S Sark, you better pick it up, buddy,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And that gave him one hundred and twenty points, So
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: that's still a decent gap between them and between them
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: and Georgia.
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: But yeah, I like, I knew they would be on
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: here because I've been alive the last thirty two years.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: But to be this high, I mean, they're they're over.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: They're over like programs that are in the five hour
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: radius pool. That's the other thing about what Oklahoma has done.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: And I don't mean to demean Oklahoma high school football.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Bokhom high school football is not Georgia high school football.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: It's not Texas high school football. It's not Alabama, it's
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: not California high school football. So like for the Sooners
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: to be here more than any of the other guys
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: on this list and other programs on this This is
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: a product of coaching right here in my opinion, George.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, and we've and we've seen this is this is
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: why I say that Lincoln Riley obviously he kept them
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: up there when he got the job. But Bob stoops,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: he allowed uh, Lincoln Riley to be born on third
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: base like him, and him and Ryan Day are third
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: base born guys. Except for Ryan. Ryan Day has figured
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: a way to get over the threshold and winning national Okay.
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: Ryan, Ryan Day's tagged up and gotten home. Uh, and
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: not not so much for Lincoln. Back to this Oklahoma thing,
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: I'm dumbfounded by this. Like they have had just as
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: many top ten recruiting classes as like an Auburn has
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: over the last twenty years of college football, and they
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: have won at a ten x rate to a school
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: like Auburn. I mean, just damn damn Bobby.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: STI turned it into a lot of first round draft picks.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen of them.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yep, next one up. This school is just
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: like Ohio State in Alabama, where they have made it
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: through every single blue blood ranking that you could possibly
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: no matter how many years you want to put in
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: take out what decades USC is in there. The USC
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Trojans are in there with one hundred and nineteen points,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: right behind Oklahoma. You got eight top five finishes, no
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: college football playoff appearances. So I think that they need
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to stop talking about people losing in the college football
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: playoff when you got to make one first. But that's
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: another story. Six conference championships, two Natties, sixteen top ten
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: recruiting classes since O five, and twenty seven first round
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: picks to get you to one hundred and nineteen points.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: You know it's crazy. If I ran this exercise over
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: the last ten years, I bet Washington's got better metrics
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: than USC.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: That's a fact, Jack, That's what's crazy. Bona fide fact.
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: So and I look, no shot to the Huskies. Damn
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: good football up there in the Northwest, but they ain't
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: a blue blood. They're not one of these. And like
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: you said, and I'm with you, and I agree, the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: Trojans and that USC logo no matter what era you span,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: no matter what metric you use. You know what we
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: didn't add into here was Heisman Trophy winners. Good Lord
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: knows they've got a lot of those, yes, so, but
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: the winning, the winning over the last fifteen years, it
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: doesn't mean anything. You and I were really having this
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: discussion over the over text message the USC Trojan football
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: right now on the recruiting trail. They have money in LA.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: They do not have football prestige, They do not have
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: program lore, they do not have anything They can look
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: at a seventeen year old kid and say, do you
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: remember when we did this? What do you mean when
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: y'all went eight and four with the Heisman winner? What
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: y'all talking about? Like I remember that that was cool?
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Like they don't know, they don't know anything about what
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: USC is. And if we did this from a nineteen
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: sixties and beyond type of thing, USC would be up
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: with the lords of the laws in this program or
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: in this sport. And they just haven't been that. I mean,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: honestly the last it's been fifteen years, has it not?
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: Yes, since they were any good.
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: Consistently good, like where I go into a season every
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: single year and I'm like, hey, USC is one of
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: the seven or eight programs we think has a chance
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: at the national title. It's been I mean, I have
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: a driver's license if I've been waiting around since birth
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: for that one, you know what I mean? So that like,
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: to me, when we get in this discussion of blue Bloods,
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: your program, lore and your logo, and like we talked
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: about earlier, it really only matted like that discussion and
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: whether it carries weight it matters to high school recruits.
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: That's what I think about, whether or not you can
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: go in and say we are one of these and
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: the last fifteen years they have not been. The last
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: twenty five for sure, no doubt.
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: Dude. Here's the thing is, I knew something was up
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: when it was Big ten media Day last year and
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: they were flashing players in front of the guys, some
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: of them couldn't identify Reggie Bush. I was like, oh,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: it's worn off. It's worn off.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: Hell, George. I knew something was up every year when
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: I go look at rosters like Oregon and I'm like, oh, so,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: y'all have the entire Saint John Bosco in matter day
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: roster on your roster. What's up with that? How did
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: those guys get out of Southern California? Oh? Oh, now
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: I got it. Yeah, Dan, Lanny's good at his job.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: But I think that also has to do with the
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: fact that they keep turning in eight and fours' that's
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: not normal. That's not what it's supposed to be. And
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: this was not meant to be a let's crap on USC.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: But there's one hundred and eighteen or one hundred nineteen
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: points on the USC Trojans right now, and I would
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: bet one hundred and twelve of them came from the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: two thousand to two thousand and eleven twelve thirteen range. Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude. It has been rough on them, but they
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: they are, they are they're trying like they're putting their
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: best foot forward for the future. But hey, if they
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: don't go nine and three or better this year, even
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: though that they have a tough big ten ro it's
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: gonna be hard.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: Hey, Lincoln said it already. It took him five years
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: to pull the window over. Took him five years to
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: five years that window painted. Hey, George, that thing has
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: some rubber, some men on that. They put that flea
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: school on that at flex seal at fla sell on
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: that window out there. What's going home?
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: Hey? They that they had it, but they had had
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: the storm doors on like the hurricane was coming.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: God forbid. Anybody ask him what Kirk Signetty got to
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: open that window? Don't do that. Don't do that. That
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: was so disrespectful to your It didn't even have Indiana
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: literally didn't even have windows. No, they kool aid man,
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: that bitch. Just god, I mean, good god, how dare you?
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: How dare you be the head football coach at the
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: USC trojan to be like, man, it took me half
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: a decade to get a chance out here. What was me?
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: What we were a gusing all odds? We had nothing?
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: Whate was me? Whate was me? Just little little engine
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: that could out here in southern Los Angeles.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Let's go to the Dets. Oh my god, all right,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: I'll just give Next time, we're going back down south
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: to the SEC the LSU Tigers.
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, go Tigers. You wanna hear something crazy. They've done
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: this with a literal swamp monster and a grass eater. Yes,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: they've done this with an air football coach that can
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: barely speak English if it is his first language. There
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: are other language is swamp monster and the other guy
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: literally ate grass before games, yes not until, and actually
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: running punt football running. I'm talking about we're gonna win
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: ten to six today because how y'all like my new offense. Yes,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: I mean damn.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: With one hundred and eighteen points right behind USC five
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: top five finishes, AP top five finishes, one College Football playoff.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Of it's four conference titles, three national championships, sixteen top
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: ten recruiting classes, and twenty five first round picks. You
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: can't deny that, LSU, even though historically they're not, you
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: know what I mean like that, There's no denying what's
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: been going on for the last twenty five years. And
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: that's why they were so frustrated with Brian Kelly. He
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: didn't even get to the fifth year to see if
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: he can get the window open. And I don't think
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: that Lane Kippen will see year five either if they
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: have not if they have not made the College Football
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Playoff after four.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: It is such a state that has such undervalued high
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: school football talent in my opinion, yes, the skill position
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: players and the line of scrimmage players. Rarely do we
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: have both. Like in my opinion, I think of Florida
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: and californ When you as skill position states. If I
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: wanted a great wide receiver or dB, I would start
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: in LA and in South Florida, and then I would
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: work my way out from that. If I wanted to
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: an all around, like I just want to see maybe
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: eleven really high good football players, I'd maybe go to
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: like the state of Georgia. If I want an only
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: line of scrimmage players, I would go to Alabama. Louisiana
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: has this elite pocket of speed and wide receivers and
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: just talent on the skill position side, and then just
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: monstrous humans on the offensive defensive lines. So it is
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: just such a and I think that's why, you know
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Nick Saban speaks about that job the way that he does.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I think it's Wylan Kiffin took that job. Honestly. I
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: think it's why everybody that does what we do for
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: a living looks at LSU as they top three job
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: because of the five hour rates. Is not just that, dude,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: you're five hours from Memphis, You're five hours from Mobile,
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: You're five hours from the west side of Georgia. If
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: you drive fast enough, you're five hours from the east
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: side of Texas. You got all the Mississippi juco's. You
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: have it all right there. From a proximity to talent standpoint.
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: It is one of these jobs. And now, like if
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: we talk about modern times, Like they just dedicated a
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: quarter of a billion dollars to football this year. When
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: you add up all of their buyouts, all of the
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: contract values, all of the roster values, they're going to
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: spend almost two hundred million dollars on football this year alone.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: And they're not stops.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: And there is another point to that, Brooks, is that
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: the state is in on it. It's not like Cole
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: Campbell and these oil dudes pumping money into it. This
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: is coming from taxpayer dollars and people aren't complaining Like
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: that's the that's when you know that it's ingrained in them.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: It is just it's incredible, like the buy in. And
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: I believe and there have been some statistics to prove
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: it that like per capita, Louisiana puts out the most
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: NFL talent, like perk Capital. They don't have a ton
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: of people in the state, but they find NFL players there.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: It's so funny. I'm in the middle of my high
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: school recruiting tour. I go to see like forty five
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: different high schools here in the state of Georgia. And
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I was at a school in South Georgia a couple
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: of years ago, and up comes an LSU football coach
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: and he's there to watch a wide receiver, and that's
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: another SEC football coach looks at me and goes, what
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: the hell is he doing here? There's one hundred and
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: fifty great wide receivers within two hours of him. What's
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: he doing here? Why? Why am I competing with his
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: logo right here? Yes? You know what I mean? Like
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: that is they are. That is a state where you
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: don't really know what it is until you're out there.
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: From a talent and football standpoint, yes, very akin to
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: Florida in my opinion. From the athletes are there. The
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: organizational structure around high school football is not.
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: Next team up. Now. This is another coach who's done
• 49:06
  Speaker 1: a Kirby Smart type job. Pretty much all of this
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: is under him. And the fact that they have the
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: audacity to want this man fired. Some of these people,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: how dare you? The Clemson Tigers with one hundred and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: six points, You're nothing without Dabbo. Nothing man has gotten
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: you six AP Final top five rankings, seven college football
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: playoff appearances, nine conference titles, two national championships, seven top
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: ten recruiting classes, and the titles were one without top
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: ten average recruiting classes twenty two first round Draft picks
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: score of one to OZH six Clemson fans, how dare you?
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: Y'all better let this man figure it out? Because this
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: is you. Clemson was the school that used to be
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: good back in the eighties and then they got nothing going.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: This man gave you everything, and then you want to
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: turn your back on him. How dare you?
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I'm with you in this. Since they're like,
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: do gets there? He has earned the right to ride
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: this one out as like like if Daboswitty wants to
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: dial on a Clemson Tiger sideline, like that's just what
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: he gets to do. It's just his right to do that.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: So I'm with you in that standpoint. I will say this,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: there is no denying the fall off, right, Like, yes,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: there's no denying the lack of talent acquisition over the
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: last four years. Like we're sitting here talking about top
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: ten recruiting classes. They've had seven in the last twenty years.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: They've had zero since nil came around. It's a real thing.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: Since twenty twenty two, they have not recruited inside the
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: top ten. They haven't and I don't foresee them in
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: the near future getting back in it.
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: So part of it is that they won't recruit you
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: if you do not come to Clemson, Like if you
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: don't go visit on campus first, like they're not offering
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: you until you step foot on that campus.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have a really tough time. They're gonna have
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: a really tough time doing that now because you have
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: to pay kids to get them to visit nowadays. I
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: don't know if y'all know that. I know you know that, George,
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: but I don't know if common I don't know if
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: the common fan listening to this today understands that unofficial
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: visits nowadays. Not only are you somehow, some way having
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: to pay for that athlete to get out to your campus,
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: which technically is against the rules, but also when he
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: gets there, he's getting a nice little souvenir package on
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: his way out. Yes, it is.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: It is like they can't do that, that's against the rules.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: How did they get up here?
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: Then? Whoa? Whoa, whoa.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Don't worry about that. Don't worry about that.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: You know, they don't ask questions, and they don't play
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: by none of these rules, and they won't and I do.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: I do admire him to an extent because he is
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: a man of principle and I respect the hell out
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: of that. I do. I respect the hell of that.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: But you also have to be real about the fact
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: that they just went seven and five with I think
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: just as many NFL draft picks as Indiana. Yes, and
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: they ain't know they ain't. The cupboards are bear out
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: there at Clemson, guys like it is It's Sammy Brown
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: and that's about it.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: Yes, last half class was was kind of you're.
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: Like it was. It was their last go at it
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: from a like that was hangover from good recruiting days,
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: Like t J. Parker is a four year guy, a
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: number eleven, the defensive tackle, Peter Woods, he been there
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: a while, Okay, Like they haven't recruited william because yeah,
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: Antonio Williams. Those are four year guys ka KLEBMC four
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: year guy. Like those guys were recruited to Clemson because
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: they loved Clemson. That that crap don't fly no more.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: And I hate to say that because I love for
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: the love of the jersey and the love of the
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: brand just as much as the next person. But that's
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: not the reality of the situation nowadays in college football,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: and it's a dead horse at this point. Everybody knows
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: he hasn't adapted. And when we do this five years
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: from now, they will not be right here. They will
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: not be here at seven. They will fall catastrophically down
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: this list over the next five to ten years. The
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: nine of eleven years winning the ACC, I don't know
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: if that will ever be done again. I don't know
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: if he'll ever go nine for eleven in a conference
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: ever again. That is a run of dominance. Like, honestly, George,
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: it conflicts me. I'm in a contradiction point with Dabo
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: because like if he would have just walked off last
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: year when they lost to Texas, even just like wiped
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: his hands, he goes down as like a top six
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: football coach of all, yes, like top six, top seven,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: Like he is like firmly entrenched in that. And I
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: have no idea where we're going to cascade down these
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: lists over the next five years with an un willingness
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: to bend to the meat. It's it's not sad, but
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: it's like it's weird. How can you be one of
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: the goats if you walk out down bad for like
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: the last decade.
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when I was making the Top twelve coaches list
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: this year. Dabbo, with all his accomplishments, deserved to be
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: in the top three or four, but he was like,
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: because yeah, yep, yeah, our next school loup the Texas Longhorns,
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: with one hundred points. A lot of these points happened
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: at the beginning of this list and the last couple
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: of years, because they've had seven yeah, seven ap top
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: five finishes, two CFP appearances, three conference titles, one Natty
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: Top ten recruiting classes, sixteen and twenty first round draft picks.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Blue blood score of one hundred.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, another one of these football programs, in my opinion, George,
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: that probably gets thrown into this mix of blue blood
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: conversation across all eras of college football. Yep, maybe like
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: post World War two era. By the way, one of
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: my favorite World War Two just reminded me of this,
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite college football stats of all time.
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: Did you know that Ohio State has had two five
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: hundred seasons since World War Two? Worst two? Yes, they
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: have been well above five hundred in every single football
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: season since we've come back from the Second World War.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: Ohio State fans act like that, no wonder their fans
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: act like that, dude.
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: Pick and stick nine ten wins, gotta be like, if
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: we don't win ten games, we're upset. Has to be
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: like they are such a consistent winner until you again,
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: until you do one of these exercises, you really don't
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: have a grasp for how long standing some of the
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: success is at some of these places. Ohio State, Like
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: people get like you made you made the comment. I
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: get it, like I love making fun of Ryan day two.
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: But like the born on third base, bro, the last
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: three coaches been born on third base at that trial,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like they're they're all they're
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: all supposed to win. If you don't win, there, you
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: are the problem. The school definitely isn't.
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: Now you now you see why their fans are like, yo,
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: if you can't beat Michigan, we don't even like everything
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: else is a foregone conclusion. Just beat Michigan because if
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: you beat Michigan, everything else is fine because that's just
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: what we do.
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: But yeah, no, no, Texas back to them. The one
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: national title is not enough, especially like in the in
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: the era of college like moving forward in there that
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: we are in my God, with the powers that they
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: have financially, they ought to be skyrock.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: They have under achieved for what Texas shouldn't like the
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: nob It's like the perception of Texas as a blue
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: blood because they're definitely a blue blood in any era,
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: it doesn't match up with the dominance that you've seen
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: in little pockets from other of the blue bloods.
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: George Texas being eight on this list goes to show
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: you what two bad coaching hires will do to you,
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: even at a place like this, right, wasn't it, Charlie
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: Strong and Tom Herman? Back to mess you do. If
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: you do something like that, you will f up one
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: of these blue bloods. But most of the time they
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: are une f uppable.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: I would imagine, yep, this next school with eighty nine
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: points a couple of bad, a bad firing that they
• 57:48
  Speaker 1: probably wish they didn't do now because he would have
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: been better than anything that they've had since when they
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: fired Dan mullen is the Florida Gators with eighty nine points,
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: three to five finishes. These are t bow days. No
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: college football playoff appearances, two conference titles only two and
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: twenty five years, two national championships, t bows, top ten
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: recruiting classes, with twelve most of them t Bow years
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: of most of them Urban Meyer years, and thirty one
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: first round NFL draft picks for a blue Blood score
• 58:23
  Speaker 1: of eighty nine. And this one is going. This one
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: has been consistently since since Dan Mullen's what eleven win year,
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: ten or eleven win year, it's been going like that.
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, they won ten games during the COVID season. Right,
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: they were ten and two and lost Tobama in the
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: SEC Championship game and then got throttled by Oklahoma in
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: the bowl game. Right, because that was when Dan Mullen
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: came out and said, our last game for this football
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: team was a month ago. Yes, this didn't even matter.
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: By the way, I would not be me if I
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: let you sit there and say good things about Dan
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: Mullen without me reminding the audience that he allowed his
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: football team to get in a fight with Missouri at
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: midfield and then proceeded to a Darth Mader Evader mask
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: in his postgame press conference. I'm just gonna let that.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to remind you of that. Also going
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: to remind you of the fact that he literally just
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: stopped recruiting the last twelve months. He was there now,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: albeit it was because he was kind of pitching a
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: fit because his athletic director dared to turn him in
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: for an SEC recruiting violation that everybody, including Vandy breaks,
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like he was like, really,
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: you're gonna turn me in for that, Well, I'll just
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: stop trying. So it's I'm not the biggest like Dan
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: Mullen guy in the world. That's pretty well documented in
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: my history. That being said this, I think this is
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: a unique situation because Florida over the last twenty five years,
• 59:53
  Speaker 2: basically said Saban became a thing and Sabin's tree became
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: a thing. Florida gets pilled more than any state in
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: this country from a recruiting and talents aspect. Like, not
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: only do they have three really good in state football
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: programs in Florida, Florida, State of Miami, like they're historical,
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about all three of them tonight. Not
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: only is that a competitive factor within your state, but guys,
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: like every great basically like half of the great wide
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: receivers that Alabama signed over the last twenty five years
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: came from the state of Florida, you know what I mean,
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Like all the dbs that they have come from the
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: state of Florida. Like once Saban figured out that, oh
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I've won enough that I can go down there, then
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: like you know, Steve Carroll did this out there at
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: USC too. He was like, once I won a couple
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: of titles, I could go anywhere. Yeah, I went right
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: to Florida. So I went straight to Florida. And that
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: just eats these programs alive and especially from Mike and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: you look at it. They have thirty one first round draft.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: Picks and Chrystal Ball started when he was at Oregon.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: He started going, I mean, great, he's a Miami guy.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: But he was like, I'll go down there in Florida.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: Dan Landing ain't scared to go to Florida either. He's
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: scared to go to Florida.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: And like the the modern athlete, like there's so much
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: on their phones that the distance isn't that big of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: a deal until they travel out there and they're like,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: oh my god, this is a four this is a
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: seven hour flight, but the proximity is right there on
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: their phone, you know what I mean. They can fall
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: in love with the Oregon Ducks being in Coral Gables.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: That never happened in the late nineties. It was why
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't go to Florida State. That was literally yeah, Well,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh.
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: Because TV packages were still local, I mean regional too,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: and they weren't going to get a chance to see
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: see me play. And I remember Travis Johnson left up
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: from out here at Notre Dame High School went out
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: there to Florida State, and so it felt possible. And
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: then I was like, Nah, this this ain't it, This
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: is not it. All right, next one up. I guess
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: this team is gonna be happy to be on the list,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: but then they're gonna be upset because their biggest rival
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: is so far up the list. Yeah that this has
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: to hurt a little bit for the Michigan Wolverines with
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: eighty two points, Ohio State has one hundred more points.
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: And you got three top five finishes, three College Football
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Playoff appearance, It's five conference titles, one Natty which has
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: an asterisk next to it, countless scandals. I see, I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: didn't have to say that. Ten top ten recruiting classes
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: and twenty first round picks for a score of eighty
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: two for the winningest program of all time. This feels
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: this kind of feels Texas shish that it has severely underachieved.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: And to that token, it's two bad hires. It's rich
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: and rich Rod and Brady Hoke, right like, rich Rod
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: never rich Rod never did better than seven and six
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: at Michigan. That's tough. Brady Hoak had won eleven and
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: two seasons when he first got there, and then it
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: was off the cliff immediately, and we know that it was.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: It was above average the entire time at hardball, during
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: under hallball. But there was an eight and five in there,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: you know, mixed in there was a two and six
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: during covid uh thrown in there, so that that probably
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: has been the draft the most poignant reason why they
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: are further down this list. Also just like and look,
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I'm not, as you know, plugged into the Big ten
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: as everybody else, but I'm plugged into college football. I
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: could know Ohio State with NFL draft and recruiting success
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: at the ultimate ultimate top end, like the most high
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: end of high ends. I never connect Michigan to that.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I've never I connected Michigan to line of scrimmage, run
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: the ball. They're the Pittsburgh Steelers of like college football
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: to me, you know what I mean. Like that, That's
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: what they felt like to me the entire time, not
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: like a.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I mean even under you weren't looking for wide receivers
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: out there, correct, you were like lineman tight ends defense well.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 2: For that matter, even first round, even first round draft picks.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Like I know, they set a draft record for total
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: number of selections, but most of that was done on
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 2: Day two and Day three of that draft wasn't in
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: a bunch of fifth, sixth, seventh rounders drafted off that
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: National championship team. So I think they did it with
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: mass I think they did it with plethora of numbers.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: As opposed to twelve Blue Chippers, they took twenty five
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: really really good football players.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Who is the most important person to Michigan football over
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: the last ten years or so?
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: Who is my man who dent ties shoes? That was
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 2: on the cover of the NC double A game?
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: Was that Gardner?
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Devin God, I'm gonna go Devin Gardner. No, I'm
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: just kidding.
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: I'm going to a different route. Is it Aiden Hutchinson, No,
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: it's Connor Stallion's That's who the most important person to
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Michigan was for the last ten years. I'm just saying, man,
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: they don't get a.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Natty without Hey, you're you and me. I think agree
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: on this in the sense that it was definitely cheating.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: It was definitely cheating. So yeah, we that's a that's
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: a oh man, that that frustrated me. The idea that
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: people like, even if I know the play, you still
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: got a line up and play football, like bro, The
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: whole the whole idea of the offensive advantage is the
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: fact that you don't know what I'm about to do
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: and you're about to take that away from me.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: And if you've ever won at a college spring practice, yeah,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: people or even a HGH school practice. They get mad
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: all the time at each other because they're like, Bro,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: you know the play, stop doing this, like, stop just
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: jumping to play coaches this all the time.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Stop being a scout team hero my guy.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Yep, next team up.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: I gotta give Brooks all the credit in the world
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: for this one, because we almost missed them. And this
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: is the Florida State seminals. Because the jail that's right.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: Next time, next time. Brooks also gainst labeled sec Homer.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: Just remember he went to bat for known acc member
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: Florida State.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, he did two ap top five finishes, which feels okay,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: so I tweet and the iron of this is is
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: that I tweeted out during the draft. I was like
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: Florida State not having a draft pick in the first
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: on the first two days of the draft, like that
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: didn't even feel possible, Like ten years, it didn't even
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: feel like that could ever happen. And then you think
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: about the amount of draft picks they haven't had over
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: the last few years. It feels crazy. Only one college
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: football playoff appearance, and that was the first one when
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: they got absolutely boat raced by Oregon in the Rose Bowl.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: Seven conference titles though, I mean outside of twenty twenty
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: three wins, the last time we seen one one national championship.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: That was jamis top ten recruiting class. They got nine
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: and twenty three first rounders for a total score of
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: eighty two. It feels like Brooks that Florida State is
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: headed the like it is headed the same wet place
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: that USC was heading, and USC was heading to the
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: same place that Nebraska was heading. USC's trying to get
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: off that train. They're trying to buy their way off
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: the train, and and Florida State is barreling down it,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: and they're like, ah, it was too much money to
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: get rid of Mike Norveld this last year, so we're
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: just gonna keep down this route.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Which for that right there, George, we ought to put
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: a big red line through them. You cannot. You cannot
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: be labeled a blue blood if you are literally punting
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: on a season to save eleven and a half million
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: dollars on a potential buyout. We can't because we can't.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Blue Bloods don't do that. Blue Bloods do what LSU
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: just did. They stared down fifty seven million dollars worth
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: of a buyo and said one drunk booster was like,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: I'll take care of that.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: And it was done.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: It was done, you know what I mean? Like that,
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: that is what we should. They've got podcasters quitting down there, gots.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: They've got content creators just being like, hey, I'll come
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: back when the program decides they want to give a
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: damn again. No, no, they can't be on this list.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I know. I know what Jimbo did, I know what
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: Bobby did, I know what they have done. I know
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: the one season under nor Vel was really really good.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: Shout out to Travis Jordan Travis the quarterback. All that
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: good stuff is great, but no, we can't punt on
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: a season in twenty twenty six because it's too expensive
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: to try to be good. We're just gonna be okay
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: with being bad. I'm not okay with that.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: Okay, check this. Check this out in the twenty three
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 1: season obviously, and then the twenty two season, so they
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: have not even finished a season ranked outside of those
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: two since twenty sixteen.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Where did this go so wrong? Because it was it
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: was for my entire lifetime. They like from the what
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 2: Bob Bobby turned that thing into a dynasty and like
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: a dynamic powerhouse in the early nineties, late eighties. Yep,
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: like it is. Jimbo fell off the earth. It fell
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: off the earth after Jimbo. Jimbo left them, That's what
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: it was. Jimbo left them because they literally did not
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: spend money on football, remember this, That's why he went
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: to A and M. Because he couldn't convince them to
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: even buy an indoor. So they brought this on themselves.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: I'm glad we got this. The athletic administration out there
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: has brought them. Brought this on themselves because for the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: last decade and a half. They have looked at football
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: as a non priority from a fundamental funding standpoint. Yes,
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: and your god, doing that, your football program will die.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: They replaced Jimbo with Willie Taggart and the lethal simplicity
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: and then got rid of him in two years, and
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 1: then Mike Norvell came in and he was three and nine,
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: five and seven, ten and three, thirteen and one. But
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: I think the issue is is that that thirteen and
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 1: one season that was all transfer portal guys, and he's
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: been living in Portal instead of high school recruiting.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Well, it was if you remember, it was a year
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: pop on all those guys. It was a year two
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: pop on all those guys. Like the Curse Kid had
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: been there two years, the Fist Kid had been there
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: two years. They were mid major guys that took a
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: little while to like grow into power for superstars, and
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: you're right, he hasn't been able to do that. I also,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: I think the dude's name was Brandon Smith, their CEO
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: of their collective. I'll never forget. He did a sit
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: down interview with Pete Nakos and was like, man, we
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: look at all these other football programs in college football
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: were like you guys are idiots. Y'all are doing this
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: all wrong. We're doing it way better than the rest
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: of you. And since that article, they have just just
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: and I love you, George, but I love that.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Can can you find any coach that is having success
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: ignoring high school recruiting because people think that Indiana is
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: doing that. When Kurt Signetti after the season was like, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: we're finn tune up high school recruiting. Don't worry, We're
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: not like this.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: They just offered I think a dozen twenty twenty nine
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: kids in the state of Georgia alone today. Indiana did,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: so you're right there they are. They are flipping the mold.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: The twenty four year old transfer stuff was let's get
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 2: this engine going and then the fuel is going to
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: be high school recruiting. To answer your question, I would
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: say Langekiffin at Old Miss, but he just took the
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: LSU job because of what you're talking about. He took
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: the LSU job because I can do both. I can
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: sign Blue Chippers, and I have the budget to go
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: buy whatever I need to out of the portal. At
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Old Miss, I was just buying out of the portal
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: every year because I can't go sign five stars to
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: Oxford Mississippi.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: Hey man, he could, he could have. If you got
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: the if you got the juice, you can do it.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, I can't wait to see how
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: that this plays out for five years from now at LSU.
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: I'm just I can't wait to go forward. Next team. Okay.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: I did not want to put this team on the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: list initially because I was like, they gotta get a
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: Natty first and Brooks, and Brooks was like, gee, come on, man,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: don't don't do this. Just just listen to your heart.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: And I admit that, and he was basically like, yo,
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: I love you for trying to be an objective person.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna let you do this team, Brooks, because
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be I don't want to be
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: accused of Homerism. And you can tell them the reasons.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Also why you said that they deserve to be in here.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: I'm told you so.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, the numbers do say so. It is Oregon
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: at number twelve with seventy seven total points. They have
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: eight top five finishes over the last twenty five years.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: They've reached three College Football Playoff appearances. They have seven
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: conference titles, zero national championships. They've signed six top ten
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: classes in the last twenty years, with sixteen first round
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: NFL draft picks. Here's why to me they matter is
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: because the logo does matter the last twenty five years.
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: And this look, we're deep in this episode. So people
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: can hate this take if they want to. But Oregon
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: is cool. Oregon is cool as hell. Oregon has been
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: cool as hell for twenty five years. It feels like
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: as long as I have been paying attention to college football,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: since Nike has been heavily involved with Oregon football, Oregon
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: is cool. The logo matters. They go places, and people
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: correlate Oregon with football. Now they do not correlate Oregon's
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: logo with Track or Nike or anything like that. It
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: is oh, yeah, they're good at football. That matters in
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: this discussion, as do the metrics. The metrics are there.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: They're in this firmly in French, in this top fifteen
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: and top fourteen as a blue blood.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: And when people are they get to talking about oh
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: my gosh or historically no. Oregon started competing in football
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 1: essentially when a conversation happened with Phil Knight, Mike Belotti
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: and some other people, and Phil Knight was like, how
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: can we make this really good football team? Jersey's changed
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: the year I got there in nineteen ninety nine, Brooks.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. When I was Oregon coaches were
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: coming to my school and I was ignoring them, and
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: they finally got a hold of my parents and they
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 1: were like, yo, here are his top schools. Here are
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: the tight ends that went there and what they didn't do.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: Our tight ends are going to the league. And if
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: you look at the history of Oregon football, you go
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: back from Ed Dixon, me justin Peel, even Tim Day
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: had a cup of coffee, Dante Rosario. You just had
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: first round pick Kenyon Sadik, Terrence Ferguson. Year bit before that,
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Colt Liola, if he could keep his nose clean, he
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: would have had a great I mean literally and figuratively,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 1: Hey good doing that.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. Colt lot Liola was was there with
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: Chip and he ended up getting drafted by the Packers
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: because he got kicked off the team. He was kenyans
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: Sadiq before Kenyan Sadik, phenomenal athlete, Like phenomenal. You need
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: to go watch some table, some Colt Colt Lyla. It
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: was ridiculous, and so they got a hold of my
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: parents and my parents, uh like, George, where's the information
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: that the Oregon people brought you? And mind you, this
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: is three weeks before signing day in February. That so
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: the first weekend in February, so three weeks prior coaches
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: coming through or it was right right before that. And
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: it was basketball season, so I wouldn't take any trips
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: and miss basketball games. So they got a hold of
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: my parents, and my dad's at George, bring this information
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: home or you can park that car. So the information
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: got home that day. I take a trip to Oregon
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: the week before, like signing days on Wednesday. I was
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: at Oregon Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I go up there. I'm
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: on the plane on the way back. My mom and
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: dad are there and I'm looking frustrated, and my mom and.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: Dad were like.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: My mom goes, George, what's wrong. I was like, I
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: should go to Oregon and she was like, what's the problem.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I think so too. I was like, I'm too good
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: to go to Oregon. When you look at the way
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: that this has turned out, it's been the best decision.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like for me, worked out football career, all
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: of this stuff. They take care of the people, all
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: of that. And that was the year the uniforms changed,
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: and that was the year that they were starting. Nineteen
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: ninety nine was when they were like, we're going to
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: compete in football. And it has been that way since.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: And now you are in the golden age of Oregon football.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: I will say this and George confirm it or deny it.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: I think Oregon is probably the place in college football
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 2: to go to be most isolated and dedicated to your
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: craft while you're in college as a football player.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: If you go to college one of them, I.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 2: Mean, you're not like in Eugene, Oregon, if you're a
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 2: football player, you're so isolated from everybody else.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to get anywhere. Like it's a four
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: hour tribe to Seattle too, and Portland ain't popping like
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: that anyway.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 2: So like some of these kids nowadays, like I don't
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 2: know how I would do being the center of attention
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: at nineteen years old and being paid two million dollars
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: or one million dollars, whatever the hell it is, you
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So, like if I were a
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: five star that looked at the three years in college
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: football as developmental for the one hundred millions of dollars
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: that are waiting for me on the Sunday League. I
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: would look at the idea to just trap myself in
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: a football hole in Eugene a little bit more enticing
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: than a college town. Does that make sense? If I
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: knew that's where I was going, I know where I'm going.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to the Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: See, I would say it is a college town because
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: it's it's like where I remember when I went to
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: Clemson to go interview Dabbo. I'm driving in the Clemson
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, pro this cinemla nowhere, like you can
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: you have to be going to Clemson to get to Clemson.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: You can't accidentally end up in Clemson and in Eugene,
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 1: like the fans are. It is the second loudest recorded
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: stadium in college football, only behind Kneeland Staateium. There's the
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: highest record attendance is sixty thousand, two hundred and thirteen people,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: and it is louder. I remember when Ohio State played
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: there for the first time their national championship year. I
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 1: was on the field there. It was the lot mind you,
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: I've been in some loud games. That was the loudest
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: game I've ever been a part of outside of playing
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: in the RCA Dome against the Colts when they were
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: pumping in jet noise indoors, it was my ears were ringing.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: The next day and Ohio State fans, you go on
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: their message board everything, they were like, oh, oh, this
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: is the loudest football game I've ever been to. This
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: is not like we thought we were coming in here.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Oh now, this little bitty stadium and they FAFO and
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: it is a home field advantage. And the new facility.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: Have you seen the pictures of the new facility that
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: they're building.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, dude, the facility they have now is like
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: top five of college football. It's like I didn't know,
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: by the way, I didn't know facility arms race were
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: like still a thing. I thought we were out here
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: roster arms racing. I didn't know that we were out
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: here still building half undred million dollars.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: Bill Knights buildings for half a billion dollars and nothing
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: there is, no nothing will be.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: That's the that's the thanks for not going to Alabama,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: like wedding gift right there. That's what that.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: Is, dude, appreciate it. It will be Oregon contract, yes,
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: and then all the way down. All right. Next up,
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: we have we got two teams left. We got the
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Miami Hurricanes at seventy six points. Thanks Crystal Ball, he
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: got them back in there because they've just snuck in.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: They just snuck back in.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: And George, they did it almost exclusively off first round
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: draft picks. You know what I mean of their seventy
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: six total points, thirty one of them on our metrics
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: come from first round draft picks. They have they have
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: a top five production score from a talent aspect, and
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: they've got a bottom like three production score from a
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: winning aspect over the last twenty five years amongst these
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: teams that we're talking about tonight. But to me, this
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: is like, this is one of those again back to
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: the logo discussion, Like Miami very similar to Oregon is cool.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: Miami is cool as hell, especially now like it's coming back,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: like the the idea of the U. Like I was
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: at a high school practice today where every kid had
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: Miami gloves on. In Atlanta. I'm not talking about South Florida.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about Atlanta De cab County where that's dog Country.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: That's not supposed to be the U, And that's what
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: it is right now because it's back and it's cool,
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: and God forbid, we all get money now. It would
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: be one thing to be a broke college student living
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: in Miami back in the day. Now when you're now
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 2: you're a college athlete. Yeah, but now, George, now you're
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: living in South Florida and you're getting paid thirty five
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: racks a month to play college football. Yes, you know
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: what I mean. Like, I saw a video of Damon
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: Wilson driving through South Beach in a damn two hundred
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars car like that.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: One of them parties on Star Island now or they're
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: hanging out on South South. South Beach is different when
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: filming them were there and they had face recognition.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Everybody they had. Now you get money, Yeah, now we
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 2: get paid to get played, you know what I mean? Yeah?
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: So yeah, no, they living down there.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Now finger rolling every night on South Beach.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm saying, but hey, you're right, though, Shousta Mario.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not one of these people that talks
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: about this often, but I do believe that certain programs
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: need to be good for the lifeblood of college football.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Miami cannot consistently be bad that we can't have that
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: it's not good for us, despite the fact that for
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: some reason, and I know why, it's because they're stadiums
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: sixty five minutes from their actual school, but they can't
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: sell out for nothing. But by god, I'll watch them.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: I'll watch the Miami Hurricane football. And I know every
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: other college football is sicko. Like myself feels the same
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: way about that logo. I truly believe that it's.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Weird because Miami fans are like USC fans in terms
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: of attendance and all of that kind of stuff. But
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: they're passionate about it, like it's so weird. But at
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: the same time, it feels like the ones that it
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: matters to. It's like life or death. And they ended
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: up with four top five finishes, one CFP appears, three
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: comp titles, one Natty and because they because all the
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 1: rest of them have fallen off, and seven top ten
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: recruiting classes. And so the last team on this list,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: and mind you, they would be significantly higher if they
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: played in the conference, is Notre Dame with sixty two
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: points because they've had four ap top five finishes, no
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: conference titles obviously because they're not in the conference. Three
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: College Football playoff appearances, ten I'm sorry, eleven top ten
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: recruiting classes, and fifteen first round picks. Yeah, so they
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: would have more points if they were in a conference.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: But it feels like Marcus Freeman is starting to get
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: this thing going, even though his first two years he
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: took some nasty losses. Took some nasty losses. That Stanford
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: lost that freaking.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: Oh oh Northern Illinois.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, that loss was brutal. They were getting ready to
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: get that black man up out of there quick.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't even know where I was gonna
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: go with this. I in pre show, George, I was
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: telling you, man, we probably should tweak something here because
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame being at fourteen. It feels like we're punishing
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: them for not being in a conference. And you know what,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: good be punished. Be punished for not being in a conference,
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: because get over yourself, get your butt into a crew.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: Not being in a conference, Well, no they didn't last year.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: Here's a fun fact for you. If they were in
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: the Mid American Conference last year, they'd have been a
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: playoff team. So how about that. How about that they
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: would have been a playoff team if they were in
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: the MAC, and they might as well be in the
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: MAC if you've looked at the twenty twenty sixth schedule.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, their twenty twenty sixth schedule is a little soft. Now. Granted,
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: in general their schedule is usually nice, but twenty twenty
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 1: six with USC off the schedule, thanks USC.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: Last thing I would want to say about Notre Dame
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: is love Marcus Freeman, love the Golden Domes, Love, love
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: the Irish, absolutely love them love. Shane Gillis, friend of
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: the show. I do not think the world is prepared
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: for the media shit storm we're about to get with
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 2: the fact that they actually have a quarterback for the
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: first time in twenty five years. They have a quarterback.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: And you'll be like, oh, but they had Jimmy Closton
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: and Brady Quinn for the first time in twenty five years.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 2: They have a great quarterback. This is gonna be a
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: media storm. Like you think arch Manning is a thing.
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame's got a quarterback, guys, Yes, and they're about
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 2: to play nobody. They're about to play nobody until Miami
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 2: in November. This dude's gonna go ten weeks throwing for
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 2: three hundred and thirty yards and three quarters, putting up
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: forty two points.
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: Martin Ashwer Championship this year. Brooks is going to come
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: down to Oregon and Notre Dame. One of them is
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: gonna win it.
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: That's hot.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: Oh all right, you did want to bring up one
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: team that didn't make the cut. They were just on
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: the outside of the cut.
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: I think there's I think there's several here, okay, And
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 2: here's this is this is Brooks Austin, the content creator talking. Okay.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: And you mentioned something earlier about working for fans sided
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: and SEO terms and the idea that Ohio State articles
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: drawing a bunch of clicks and a bunch of attention.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: Blue Bloods are programs that draw in a lot of
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: invigorated fan bases by nature because they are football programs
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: that matter. Nebraska fits that. Now I talk more Nebraska
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: football than I talk like top twenty, like consistent top
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: fifteen football programs, because Nebraska Cornhusker fans care about football.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: They really really high world.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: They deserved the world. They show up the straight years
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: they're gonna watch season.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: George George they're gonna watch this. There's gonna be Nebraska
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 2: fans that were hanging on to every single word of
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 2: this to hear their names, and they're here. So here
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: you go. To Nebraska fans, you deserve the world, yes, absolutely,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: with regards to football. You care about it and you
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: show up. Same thing for Tennessee fans, and they probably
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: deserve it a little bit more than Nebraska under the
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: current situation of college football, because they've been funded in
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: eight and four football teams. They like they had some
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: ten win seasons, you know, two or three years ago
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: under Josh Heipel. Tennessee football fans are spending money on
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 2: this roster. Tennessee spends at a top twelve rate and
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: they're not getting top twelve results right about now. That's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: a shame. But they're football fans. They care. Man. That
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: is a fan base that shows up, A and M
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: is a fan base that shows the hell up. And
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: I do think, George, five years from now, the Indian
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 2: and Hoosiers are going to be in this list. They're
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: gonna be here.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels dude. So I didn't fully understand the gravity.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: Of oh Cray State. Penn State shot out of the
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Penn State. You guys are awesome. Also, by the way,
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: had no idea until today. Over the last twenty years
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: since Google search engines have been a thing, Auburn is
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: a top ten searched college football program on the Internet.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: That blew my mind. It also blew my mind that
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 2: the Auburn Tigers are top five in ticket sales, not
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 2: tickets sold, but average dollars spent on tickets. Auburn football
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: matters are real hell of a lot, by the way,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: twelve top ten classes in the last twenty years as well,
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: but no winning, terrible coaching, terrible coaching in Auburn.
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: Yes, and I agree with every word that he said.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: Nebraska fans, you deserve it. Texas and m fans show up.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Just give them something, give them something to cheer for.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: But you guys, I hope you guys enjoyed the college
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: football blue bloods as they are right now. I'm George Reister.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: He's Brooks, Austin, Ebony and Ivory and but but we
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: gotta figure out even better name from this, and you
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 1: guys can drop it into comments anything on the way out. Brooks.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just really proud of myself that we went through
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: that entire Notre Dame segment. You crapped on the north
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: of Illinois, lost in the martial lows. And I didn't
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: say anything about that forehead paint that he continues to
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: put on his hairline.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: Oh dude, so the GQ cover right, I'm sorry.
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: He was handsome. By the way, Here's what he's a
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 2: good market to. Marcus Freeman looks like he smells amazing.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: I bet Marcus Freeman smells incredible.
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: Wess oh god, yes, some things that you can only
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: get the.
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 2: Road family has access to. Yeah, yeah, you are my
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: mis Freeman. And you're like, damn, what was that?
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Marcus Freeman, Yeah he got he he got too
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: much money, too much access. He gotta fix the hair
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: man got to All right, Well, we will catch y'all
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: next time. Peace out. It is top ten time. The
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: NCAA is talking about giving players five for five, where
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: you can play five college football seasons. So we decided
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: to make a list of the top ten players that
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: we would like to give that fifth year of eligibility to.
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: We got to some of these dudes, We got to
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: force him to come back to school because they went
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: to the into the NFL. But still they got to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: come back and play another year. And these are guys
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: that we would love to see another year from and
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: maybe where we would have liked to see them go
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: as usual? Top ten, I'll go, Ralph goes. I'll go,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Ralph go until we get to number ten. Are you
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: ready to go Ralph?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir? For me.
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  Speaker 1: Number one to me, this is a player who was
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: completely underrated in college. He will be a NFL Hall
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: of Famer, and that is Larry Fitzgerald. This dude was
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: absolutely amazing and so far under the radar at Pitt
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 1: that when they were talking about wait, he's coming out
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: as a sophomore, as a red shirt sophomore, like, how
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: is he this good? Obviously approved how he was this good?
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: And then I thought about it, Ralph. I was like,
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: where would I like to see him? I would either
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: put him on the if I could put him anywhere
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: in time, I would either put him on that four
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: Stanford team I'm sorry, the four Auburn team that didn't
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: get to go to the College Football Playoff, because that
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: would have been one more piece of star power of Belittan,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: the cough winner that you got a chance to put
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: in there. So then they might have got voted in
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: or I would put him on like the twenty fifteen
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 1: Stanford team that finished, you know, like number two or
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: number three in the nation. They had the running game,
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey. You add Larry Fitzgerald to that, and then
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey might actually get a Heisman Trophy.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: I like it.
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: We're time traveling. Now have a thirty year old Larrey
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: Fitzgerald playing with Andrew Luck. Need it need that, that'd
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: be hilarious, all right. So my number one player that
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 3: I would love to give a fifth ye or two
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: is somebody who threw for a whopping one hundred and
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 3: ninety two yards in college one hundred and ninety two yards,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: but he went on to have an NFL career where
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 3: he threw for over seventeen thousand, five hundred yards. And
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: that is mister Matt Castle. Matt Castle, who is trapped
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: on the bench by Matt Lionard at USC would have
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: loved to see him get a fifth year. He actually
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 3: wasn't even eligible for a red shirt because he'd come
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: in in spot duty so often.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 1: That is crazy, bro that his whole career was spent
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 1: as a backup. He gets drafted. It's similar to a
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: guy that I played with in Aj Feeley, who Joey
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 1: Harrington took his job and then Aj still got drafted
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: in the fourth round.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 3: I don't know who I would have liked to maybe
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: see him stay and take over that USC roster. I
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: don't know if I would have put him anywhere else.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: It just would have been interesting to see because we
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: knew Matt Castle as a former you know, college or
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: a Little League World Series baseball player, more than we
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: knew him as a college quarterback. And he had a
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: very good NFL career.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: For me, another player that I need to have another
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: season in college football is Randy Moss. As great as
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: he was at Marshall's d like jumping over players, hurd
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 1: ling him, everything else. It just didn't feel like we
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: got enough. Like similar to the Larry Fitzgerald where he
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: was under the radar, Like you heard all these grandiose stories, right,
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: but imagine if he were at Notre Dame, which he
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: committed to out of high school, or at Florida State,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: which he transferred to, Like I want to see the
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: alternate universe, like what happens if he had stayed at
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: Notre Dame or if he stayed at Florida State. Like you,
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: you have to win a national championship, have to.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 3: I agree, I agree. My next one is former rest
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: in Peace, Resting Glory, maybe one of the most incredible
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 3: pass rushers in the history of the game of football.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 3: Derek Thomas.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my, did you know that?
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: Derek Thomas was at Alabama from nineteen eighty five to
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 3: nineteen eighty eight. In his second year in the NFL.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 3: He in his first year in the NFL, he was
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: defensive Rookie of the Year. He led the NFL in
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: sacks in his second year. Imagine if he had been
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: a rookie in the NFL leading the NFL in sacks.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: And also, even though it wasn't kept as an official
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: stat he is widely regarded as the all time single
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 3: season SAC leader. I think he had twenty eight in
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 3: a single year in his senior year. He only played
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 3: three years at Alabama. I don't think he played his
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 3: freshman year, and so that giving him a fifth year
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 3: would have maybe been the most unfair defensive advantage in
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 3: the history of college football.
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, one hundred percent. One hundred percent me another guy
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: that I want to see get another year is but
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: I need him to hop into portal though too. Okay,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: is Adrian Peterson, Adrian Peterson, not that Adrian Peterson, not
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: all day. I'm talking about Georgia Southern Adrian Peterson, the
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: guy who rushed for sixty five hundred yards in college,
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: eighty four touchdown and scored five hundred and twenty four points.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: Him because he set the record for a freshman rushing.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 1: He was a dog. Now imagine him over at like
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: Alabama when they were running the ball like that, or
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: I actually Saban wasn't there yet, so so no, you
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: didn't want that might have been in the shoel of time.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: I don't think you wanted him at that point in
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 1: four point time. But imagine putting him at you know,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: in the oh my god, imagine putting him in that
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: Miami running back room around his time, the.
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 3: One that was already like the best ever.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it would have been greater. It been even greater.
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: So I would have loved to see him get another
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: year at a big university the way he can get
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 1: his fly because he was one of the best college
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: running backs of all time.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: Okay, I like that one. I'm I actually my next
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 3: one is somebody who you brought up, I think on
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: the last show, and you brought him up as somebody
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 3: who didn't have a good pro career, didn't even get
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: on the field I think for the first three years
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: of his pro career and only ever started five NFL games,
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: But if he had been given a fifth year in college,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: he would be by far the all time passing leader.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: By far, he's already up there. And then is mister
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: Landry Jones, who, in four years of starting at Oklahoma
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: for sixteen thousand, six hundred and forty.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: Six yards had thousand yards.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: He would have I mean easily brought twenty one twenty
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: two thousand yards. And again like this is somebody who
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: in a five for five era with al this would
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 3: have been the perfect guy, almost like a Diego pobia
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: or something like that, because the NFL prospects weren't really there.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 3: But within that offense that he was running at Oklahoma,
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: he was, I mean, he had three straight seasons averaging
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 3: over three hundred and twenty eight passing yards per game.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: He was a menace. It would have been really cool
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: to see him just run the records way past where
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: anybody could even touch them.
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: And imagine if he had had the benefit of the
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: playoff games too, instead of just one Bowl game, three
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: four playoff games where he might have threw for five
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: thousand yards in a season if they could win wins
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: some games. All right, my next guy, also, I need
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: him to hop into transfer portal.
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Is okay, the late great Steve Air McNair who threw
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 1: for almost fifteen thousand yards and one hundred and nineteen
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: touchdowns twenty three hundred rush yards at Alcorn State. He's
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 1: Trinidad chamblis, bro Like, like, this is what Trinidad chamberlains
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: didn't get a chance to experience. I'm sorry, got to
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: experience going from Farris State to being a man at
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: Old Miss. Imagine what the legend that Steve McNair would
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: have been going from Alcorn State to like Texas, going
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: from Alcorn State to USC or Penn State or Georgia
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: or you know or Wisconsin. Hell, they needed a quarterback
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: like anywhere, that would have been legendary.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 3: Bro, this is very true. I can't imagine. Gosh, Steve McNair,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 3: regardless of competition, was always a dog hutan, so great
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 3: to watch at the power five level. I would have
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: loved to have one of my teams have an opportunity
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: to have him. My next one up is somebody you
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 3: know who I don't just want one more year of
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 3: eligibility for him. The NC Double A owes us three
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 3: more years of eligibility for this man because they did
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 3: him so despicably dirty. And I think you'll agree with
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 3: me on this one. Mister special team's extraordinaire out of
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 3: the University of Colorado and Olympic skiing hopeful Jeremy bluem
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 3: To this bay have the biggest grudge against the NC
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: Double A for taking away an incredible athlete and incredible
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 3: stories eligibility. I'm not coming up, to quote Andrew Garfield
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 3: from the Social Network, I'm not coming back for one
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 3: year of eligibility. I'm coming back for the whole thing.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Dude, Like, imagine if him or Destroying, we're able to
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: actually play college football because he was over at Destroying
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: was kicking at UCS and they made him choose between
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: playing and youtubing, and he chose youtubing, which obviously has
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: worked out extremely well. But I can imagine if things
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 1: were right at that point and point in time, we
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: would have had a chance to see both of them
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 1: bloom and destroy and play ball, which which would have
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: been better for everybody? Now last one, oh for me, Oh,
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: this one is another player who would have had to
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: hop in the transfer portal. Okay, an all time legend
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: and all time great okay, and in college football. And
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: I just need him to transfer just a few miles,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: like you know, like eight hundred miles if no, no,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: not knife, not far, probably like four hundred miles, and
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: you might get a national championship and he for sure
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: would have had a Heisman Trophy and this school would
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: have had back to back Heisman winners. Christian McCaffrey, dude, incredible. Yes,
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: if you just send him up to Oregon, he would
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: have had a He would have Oregon would have had
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: back to back Heisman Trophy winners and maybe a Natty
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: what are we talking about? He would have had the
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: value of a brand behind him that would have been excellent.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: Who had just won a Heisman Trophy? Not playing all
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 1: your games at eight o'clock on back twelve after dark.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: That way the world could fully appreciate how good this
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: dude was and understand that as great as Derrick Henry
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: has been he broke Christian McCaffrey broke the NCAA single
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: season all purpose record as a sophomore. Barry Sanders record
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: thirty eight hundred and sixty four yards give the manage year.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: Okay, I feel you just brought up one of the
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 3: greatest college football players of all time, and that puts
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: me in a weird position of bringing up someone that
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: nobody has ever heard of, because you know, I got
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: to get my Homer pick in right.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, Wisconsin or Arizona State.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 3: You got the wrong w which happens more often than
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: it should. Wisconsin a little bit bigger than of a
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 3: program than Wyoming. But have you ever heard the name
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Ryan Yarborough or Marcus Harris? George, have you ever heard
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 3: either of those names?
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: I've heard of Marcus Dupree.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 3: No, Okay, So get this. There was a receiver named
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 3: Ryan Yarborough. He played for Wyoming from nineteen ninety to
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety three. He got four seasons in. He had
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 3: a good freshman year he had four hundred yards receiving,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 3: and then after that he had three consecutive thousand plus
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 3: yard receivings, finished with forty two touchdowns. Get this, George,
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 3: he is tenth all time in receiving yards in NCAA history.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: What I don't want to give him a fifth year
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: of eligibility. I actually want to take away a year
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 3: from him. I want to take away a year from
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: him because his senior year, which he had sixty seven
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 3: catches for fifteen hundred yards and sixteen touchdowns.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Monster year, right, we take that away.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: He was good enough to go to the NFL the
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 3: year before, And had he gone to the NFL the
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 3: year before, a man named Marcus Harris would have gotten
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 3: to play as a freshman. Marcus Harris was a receiver
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: at Wyoming from nineteen ninety three to nineteen ninety six.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 3: In his freshman year, he had one catch for fourteen yards,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 3: and he finished his career as at the time the
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 3: number one all time receiving yards leader in the history
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: of college football. To this day, he's fifth. What he's fifth,
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 3: that's right, Marcus Harris. He had back to back to
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: back fourteen hundred yard receiving seasons. His senior year, he
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: caught sixteen hundred and fifty yards. He averaged seventeen yards
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 3: per catch on two hundred and sixty catches in his
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: college career, he to this day is fifth all time,
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 3: and if Ryan Yarborough goes pro one year before then
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 3: not only does Marcus Harris go off as a freshman,
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 3: but I'm going to give him that fifth year and
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: no one ever ever touches that record. We're talking about
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: somebody who would be the only six thousand yard receiver
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: in the history of college football. As it stands, He's
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 3: behind Corey Davis, Trevor Ensley, Ryan Broyles, and Justin Hardy.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: But Marcus Harris would be my answer to home. Yeah,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 3: but it's legit. And who would have thought. Two of
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 3: the top ten all time receiving leaders are from University
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 3: of Wyoming and in nineteen ninety three they were teammates.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Ralph, we have to do a video just on this,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: bro just on this, like the best college football players
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: that you've never heard of, or like just on Marcus
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: Harris and this freaking butterfly effects story. Ralph, please give
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: us this, all right, Okay, I am so interested in this.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, all right, well that is the top
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: ten and Ralph just just absolutely dropped it.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 2: And just.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: So good job, good job, Ralph, you killed me off.
• 1:49:13
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• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: the show again, Ralph