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Episode 448 - When Two Computers Love Each Other · TechtalkRadio

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  Speaker 1: The following program is produced by the Tech Talk Radio Network.
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  Speaker 2: Right, this is a Colin Moncria. Whose line is it?
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  Speaker 2: Anyway you're listening to tech talk radio.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how it works.
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  Speaker 1: Oh magical shock to me.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to another episode of tech Talk Radio. I'm justin Lemme,
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  Speaker 3: I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Sean Weird. Oh that was weird,
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  Speaker 3: out of order. I mean we never do that.
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  Speaker 1: You got to change it up once in a while,
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  Speaker 1: you know, every once in a while.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Because then.
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  Speaker 1: All right, so next week you've got a Sean all.
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  Speaker 3: Right, how are you guys doing?
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  Speaker 1: Man good, It's good to see you.
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  Speaker 3: I know you.
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  Speaker 1: You had a busy week. Sean just got back from
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  Speaker 1: vacation like wood.
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  Speaker 2: No, we were not glamping this time, ten ten days
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  Speaker 2: in the Upper Peninsula. It was not lambing it. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: there were cabins, right, but okay, it was a very
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  Speaker 2: limited technology.
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  Speaker 3: Well, do tell tell how does it go?
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  Speaker 2: It was great. We've talked about this strip before because
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  Speaker 2: we go to the same place every year. It's my
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  Speaker 2: wife's family cabins that they rent, so they're her wife's
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  Speaker 2: from the Escanaba, Michigan, which is part of the Peninsula
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  Speaker 2: and so they rent out all the cabins of a
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  Speaker 2: resort called Sunset Pines in Curtis, Michigan. There's about sixty
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  Speaker 2: five people that come to this, so it's all extended.
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  Speaker 2: It's her dad's side of the family. He has seven siblings.
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  Speaker 2: It's a big family. But it's in a rural part
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  Speaker 2: of northern Michigan. So it's one bar of cell phone
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  Speaker 2: service if you're.
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  Speaker 3: Lucky and they hell for you.
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  Speaker 2: The owners do have a starlink, but it's not accessible
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  Speaker 2: to people that come and stay there. You can use
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  Speaker 2: the hues net, which is like garbage satellite Internet.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, so the owners of this place, they make a
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  Speaker 1: point of letting everybody know, yeah, we got starlink, but
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  Speaker 1: you can't use it.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's even starlink if you try to distribute
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  Speaker 2: it across I mean you'd have to add a bunch
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  Speaker 2: of mesh networks. It'd be not super easy to do.
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  Speaker 2: But it costs, like it costs money to do.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because you only get well starlink, you
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  Speaker 3: only get a limited amount of bandwidth, you know, like
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  Speaker 3: you sign up for tiers of bandwidth and if you
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  Speaker 3: got what'd you say, sixty five cabins up there.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, no, it's it's twelve cabins. But sixty five people.
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  Speaker 1: Oh sorry, so okay, yeah, yeah, well sixty five people
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  Speaker 1: that's with their own device.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's gonna eat up your band with real quick. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, I mean, I'm sure they could charge for it,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, it's the whole point is to not
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  Speaker 2: be connected on this trip.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 1: So it's you're going fishing, you're on the beach, you're wait,
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  Speaker 1: are you telling me that you can actually go somewhere
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  Speaker 1: and not be connected to the internet.
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  Speaker 2: How do you do that?
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  Speaker 3: Whoa? I never knew it that.
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  Speaker 2: It's fantastic. Oh my gosh, I got.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder how many how many of our listeners would
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  Speaker 1: ever attempt that. I mean that means, I mean you
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  Speaker 1: have to have your smartphone with you, right, I mean
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  Speaker 1: you take that technology. But how do you say, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna take this. I'm not gonna take that.
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  Speaker 1: You still have a plex server that you take?
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  Speaker 3: Right?
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  Speaker 2: No, didn't take that?
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  Speaker 3: Whoa? Really well I took it.
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  Speaker 2: So so for the boys, right, so they nighttime, we
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  Speaker 2: let them watch an episode of YouTube or something. So
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  Speaker 2: I've downloaded a bunch of that onto an iPad A
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  Speaker 2: and I have. I don't need it to be on.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't have internet, doesn't like Wi Fi, but it
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  Speaker 2: doesn't have cell phone service on it. So it's a
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  Speaker 2: handful of episodes that they could watch. We had our
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  Speaker 2: phones and an iPad.
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  Speaker 3: I just I'm just so flabbergasted because when I was
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  Speaker 3: a kid and my parents we went camping, and Andy,
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  Speaker 3: you can attest to this too.
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  Speaker 1: We went camping.
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  Speaker 3: First off, we didn't have smartphones back when I was
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  Speaker 3: a kid when we were camping, and we didn't have TV.
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  Speaker 3: So like when we went camping, it was like we
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  Speaker 3: would go out and look at bugs. We would find
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  Speaker 3: ant hills, and we would find sticks and try to
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  Speaker 3: find the best stick and of the coolest rock. Like
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  Speaker 3: this is what the world is missing nowadays, like everybody
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  Speaker 3: is so into their devices. Like couple nights ago, Eric
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  Speaker 3: was like, I'm bored because I told him no TV.
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  Speaker 3: I'm bored. Go out and find go out and find insects.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like what He's like, are we cavemen? And
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, oh it is so true.
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  Speaker 3: It's so true.
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  Speaker 2: To cerate your point, Like my boys like to watch YouTube.
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  Speaker 2: They like to watch the fun videos that they find.
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  Speaker 2: And but we will just turn music on stream Pandora
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  Speaker 2: or put music on that we have around the house
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  Speaker 2: and they will do puzzles, they'll rebooks, they do everything
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  Speaker 2: else but watch TV. So there, it's not always on YouTube. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: back to my story. So you're lucky if you get
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  Speaker 2: one bar of cell phone service there, right, So if
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  Speaker 2: you want to get one, if you want to get service,
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  Speaker 2: you have to drive into town, which is like six
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  Speaker 2: or seven miles. And I was having issues with my phone. Right,
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  Speaker 2: Caitlin was able to connect and get one bar of
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  Speaker 2: service to check in with my parents because my phone
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  Speaker 2: was having issues.
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  Speaker 1: So, come to find out, and your phone is a
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  Speaker 1: what again and iPhone thirteen ro, but you have the
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  Speaker 1: iOS and I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Running and I'm running the iOS twenty six developer beta.
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  Speaker 2: So I was trying to figure out what was going
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  Speaker 2: on my phone. The battery was dying super fast, like
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't figure out what was going on. Even on
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  Speaker 2: their crappy Wi Fi it was working very well, and
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  Speaker 2: so I just did some investigation. Come to find out,
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  Speaker 2: my phone just decided you no longer have a.
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  Speaker 3: Sim oh oh you're kidding me.
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  Speaker 1: It couldn't have.
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  Speaker 2: So no longer have a SIM. No cell phone plan
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  Speaker 2: was attached to my phone period.
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  Speaker 1: So now were you running a physical SIM or a eSIM.
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  Speaker 2: So this the story gets a little more complicated. Way
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  Speaker 2: back when I bought my good back when I bought
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  Speaker 2: my phone in twenty twenty two, I bought it, got
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  Speaker 2: the physical sim. Two days later, it fell off the
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  Speaker 2: counter at work in the bathroom, onto the toa floor
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  Speaker 2: and shattered at the backlass. So they hadn't bought a
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  Speaker 2: case for it yet. So I took it to back
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  Speaker 2: to the Apple store because I had Apple Care, and
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  Speaker 2: they said, nop, no, it's covered under Apple Care. No problem.
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  Speaker 2: We don't have spare parts for the phones yet because
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  Speaker 2: I just bought it was the week of release, so
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  Speaker 2: I got a whole new phone. I got a whole
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  Speaker 2: new iPhone thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Break a phone like within four days of it coming out.
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  Speaker 2: But at that point they didn't They wouldn't activate a
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  Speaker 2: new physical SIM, so they just activated an eSIM.
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  Speaker 3: Cool problem solved enough, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Three years later we're here, this is the problem having
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  Speaker 2: because not finding the SIM whatever. Drive into town to
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  Speaker 2: the public library and Curtis, Michigan, which is like smaller
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  Speaker 2: than my house, and get on there really old computer
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  Speaker 2: and Connective Horizon and get somebody.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just picturing the dial up sound.
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  Speaker 2: As Connective Horizon, and you know, they have me check
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  Speaker 2: my email and scan a QR code with my phone
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  Speaker 2: and it tries to activate the sim over the Wi
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  Speaker 2: Fi just sits there and spins. Doesn't do anything, So
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  Speaker 2: you'd restart my phone, try it again, issued me a
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  Speaker 2: new second. Doesn't work, couldn't make it work, and I
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  Speaker 2: wasn't gonna. I was like, you know what, I don't
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  Speaker 2: have service anyways. It doesn't matter, Like I'll just deal
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  Speaker 2: with it when I drive back home.
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  Speaker 3: So two days ago, you felt naked, right, you felt naked.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't.
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  Speaker 3: I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I really I really didn't. I really didn't. It really
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  Speaker 2: didn't bother me that I was disconnected. I mean, we
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  Speaker 2: had Calen's phone, so if there was an emergency, it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a big deal. So I go to the Apple
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  Speaker 2: Store and they're like, well, you're running the developer bat
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  Speaker 2: so why don't wait? Just because they ran a hardware
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  Speaker 2: skin and it said there was a hardware failure whatever, whatever,
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  Speaker 2: He's like, all right, let's let's restore your phone back
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  Speaker 2: to iOS eighteen. Oh so they restored it back to
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  Speaker 2: iOS eighteen, and now it was saying there were two
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  Speaker 2: sims in it. What the two sims that we registered
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  Speaker 2: with Verizon worked, But there was an issue with the
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  Speaker 2: developer beta that was no longer showing the sims.
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  Speaker 4: Oh no, now that there were now that there were,
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  Speaker 4: Now that there were two sims on there, I could
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  Speaker 4: make phone calls, but I message and text messages didn't
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  Speaker 4: know where to go because there were two sims and
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  Speaker 4: that they was conflicting.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, then it was a Verizon problem. Right, So
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  Speaker 2: I go over to Verizon and they're like, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: is weird. Cool, let me pop out your physical SIM card.
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  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, I don't have a physical SIM card.
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  Speaker 2: Pops the store open. There's a physical SIM card?
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  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?
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  Speaker 2: I had a physical SIM card the whole time.
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  Speaker 3: Was it the the SIM from the other one? It
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  Speaker 3: had to have been.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I thought, but my phone never had
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  Speaker 2: a physical SIM attached to it. It was always an SIM.
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  Speaker 2: So they moved the SIM card over.
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  Speaker 3: Is this some David Blaine stuff?
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, she's the lady. Fors Is like, we have
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  Speaker 2: to activate a new sim. We'll give you a new
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  Speaker 2: physical sim card. It's like perfect, great, new physical sim card. Perfect,
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  Speaker 2: let's do it. Solve the problem. An hour at Verizon
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  Speaker 2: and it was up and running. It was fine. Update
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  Speaker 2: back to the developer beta.
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  Speaker 3: Run my, How would you do that?
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  Speaker 2: Because my iCloud backup is in developer beta. I couldn't know.
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  Speaker 3: This is why you don't do betas.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so I don't have a current you know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: a month in on the developer beta. I don't have
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  Speaker 2: a current iOS eight team backup.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, betas back.
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  Speaker 2: Onto the iOS twenty six beta. Can't figure out how
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  Speaker 2: to restore my To get my iCloud backup, I had
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  Speaker 2: to erase the phone once I moved it up to
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  Speaker 2: iOS twenty six to then restore from making a new
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  Speaker 2: device and then restore from my iclub backup.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, I'm sorry, hold on, we'll say you said that
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  Speaker 3: they they they reverted your phone back to iOS eighteen. Correct,
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  Speaker 3: that was the iOS back four years ago? No, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 3: what is the current iOS right now?
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  Speaker 2: iOS eighteen?
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  Speaker 3: So why are you talking about?
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  Speaker 1: You're on iOS twenty six that's the beta for what
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  Speaker 1: that's the beta.
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  Speaker 2: So iOS twenty six is going to be the new iOS.
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  Speaker 3: Coming in what happened in nineteen? It went from me,
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  Speaker 3: they went to fiveteen.
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  Speaker 2: They went from eighteen to twenty six.
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  Speaker 3: Name this is why I don't like Apple.
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  Speaker 1: They pulled a Microsoft.
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  Speaker 2: So I upgrade it, I restore or you know, reset
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  Speaker 2: all the settings and then reimage it to my iclub
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  Speaker 2: backup and everything's fuck fine because when I went to Apple,
• 9:51
  Speaker 2: they had said, hey, your battery is at like seventy
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: total seventy percent total battery life, bring it back in,
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: will replace the battery for free because it's covered in
• 9:58
  Speaker 2: your Apple care. I said, deployment for Monday. Went back
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  Speaker 2: in Monday. They're like, oh great, everything worked out. You
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  Speaker 2: were you know, glad you worked out yesterday for you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh you put it back on the developer beta. We
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  Speaker 2: we won't service any devices on the developer beta. We
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  Speaker 2: dorade back to I was.
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  Speaker 1: Eighteen, so you had to go back to eighteen again.
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  Speaker 2: I had to go back to eighteen. Things the hold
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  Speaker 2: up back to eighteen?
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  Speaker 3: Do replace a battery?
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  Speaker 2: I whatever?
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  Speaker 1: This is why everybody, you don't do betas.
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  Speaker 3: No, this is why you don't go with Apple?
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  Speaker 1: Oh, come on, everybody, every company does some kind of
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  Speaker 1: beta that's that gets messed up.
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  Speaker 3: No, yes, this is why you don't go with Apple.
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  Speaker 2: So then I had to, you know, I left the Apples.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it took him in an hour to do
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  Speaker 2: the battery. So I walked down the mall, which was weird.
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  Speaker 3: Spend more money?
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  Speaker 1: Did you buy an androids?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? Mostly empty stores, right.
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  Speaker 2: Mostly empty stores. Yeah, I walked too, like an fye,
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  Speaker 2: which was awful. It's just like cheap garbage, like pop
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  Speaker 2: culture garbage. I mean, it was just it was an
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  Speaker 2: interesting experience walking around the mall.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Got lunch at the food court, which is good.
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  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what'd you get? What'd you get there?
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  Speaker 2: Which one Asian something?
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  Speaker 3: I don't Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, of course that's all they have that in
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  Speaker 1: the ciborrow they got to have borrow to borrow and
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  Speaker 1: in a random Asian restaurant.
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  Speaker 3: That's all they have at food courts anymore.
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  Speaker 2: But uh so ended up coming coming home, had to
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  Speaker 2: do the same thing, had to update it to iOS
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  Speaker 2: twenty six. We still we okay, can we redo my
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  Speaker 2: iCloud again?
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  Speaker 1: Well wait a minute, couldn't you have gone. Couldn't you
• 11:29
  Speaker 1: have gone onto a Mac and then connect it to
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  Speaker 1: your iCloud and gotten it that way.
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  Speaker 2: You can't go from iOS eighteen, okay, iCloud backup, that's
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  Speaker 2: in a different version. You have to go to that version.
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  Speaker 1: Of It's like on that device.
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  Speaker 2: I had to go up to iOS twenty six Developer Beta,
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  Speaker 2: then wipe it so it was as a new device, right,
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  Speaker 2: and then restore it from my iCloud.
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  Speaker 3: You know, if Tim Cook is listening to this show,
• 11:55
  Speaker 3: probably laughing his butt.
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  Speaker 1: Off right now, probably frustrating.
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  Speaker 3: That has got to be.
• 12:00
  Speaker 1: That is so frust that's the same frustrations I ran
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  Speaker 1: in two shone with this new laptop. All right, number one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I wanted to ask you guys. I got
• 12:09
  Speaker 1: a Lenovo five point thirty right. I bought it back
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen, and it was great. Everything was great.
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  Speaker 1: One morning I used it, I had it on a
• 12:20
  Speaker 1: table and then somebody said, oh, I need a file.
• 12:23
  Speaker 1: Can you send me the file? So I went, got
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: it off that laptop, put it on a flash drive,
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: went to my desktop and did it that way. I
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: get to work and I open up and plug everything in,
• 12:33
  Speaker 1: I open it up wouldn't power up, couldn't figure out
• 12:36
  Speaker 1: what the heck was going on. No power checked the charger.
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: I had a light there. I had a light that
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: it was charging nothing, nothing at all. So I had
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: to go without. I had to go without a laptop.
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  Speaker 3: It was like for a whole show. It was crazy.
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: So I get it home and I start, you know,
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  Speaker 1: reading about it, and I go ahead and I open
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: it up. I look, everything's connet right, it looks good.
• 13:02
  Speaker 1: And I read about this Novo button that Milanovos have
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: on the side of them, so you have a power button.
• 13:09
  Speaker 1: And the way that this one's designed is terrible. It's
• 13:11
  Speaker 1: got the keyboard up on top. It's basically a sealed keyboard, right,
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  Speaker 1: it's not like the keyboard that pops through. And you've
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: got a power button. So the only way to get
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: to this button is by removing the motherboard this, you know,
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  Speaker 1: the fan system, everything, and so I don't know it's
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  Speaker 1: the button screwed up. So I press the Novo button
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  Speaker 1: and a power I get a power light and it
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  Speaker 1: comes on and I'm like, well, there's no message, no warning, nothing,
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  Speaker 1: It's working. So I'm all happy and I think, okay,
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  Speaker 1: whatever it was it's it's fixed. I shut it off.
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  Speaker 1: The next day, I decided to take a look at it.
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  Speaker 1: I got power up, no power, so I thought, hmm,
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  Speaker 1: maybe that Novo button has something to do with it.
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  Speaker 1: I pull the back off of it again and I
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  Speaker 1: push that button and nothing, and I'm I'm like frustrated, sothing.
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  Speaker 1: It's got to be maybe the Sea Moss battery. So
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  Speaker 1: I go ahead and I order a Sea Moss battery.
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  Speaker 1: Then I'm thinking, well, maybe it's the battery itself. You know,
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  Speaker 1: it didn't feel swelling. So I ordered the battery right
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  Speaker 1: that comes from I Fix It seventy dollars, so I
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  Speaker 1: get that. I get that in a couple of days,
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  Speaker 1: and I hook it all up and it powers up.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't power up with a power button on top.
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  Speaker 1: It powers up with the Novo button, So I think, okay,
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  Speaker 1: there's something else here. And then it's when I shut
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  Speaker 1: it down, right, I go to start it up again,
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  Speaker 1: same thing. I have to disconnect the Sea Moss and
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  Speaker 1: the battery, wait a second, reconnect it, and then power it.
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  Speaker 1: Hit that Novo button and it powers up. So I
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  Speaker 1: have no idea it full. Once it's powered up, it
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: performs great.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know exactly in your particular case, but it
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: does sound like it's a failing motherboard. But I can
• 14:50
  Speaker 3: tell you right now, I've had the exact, almost exact
• 14:53
  Speaker 3: same experience with my laptop recently. So I have a
• 14:59
  Speaker 3: work laptop. I have an Aceus rog Strix, really nice.
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: You know, it's I think I.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: Remember when you got it. It's top of the line.
• 15:09
  Speaker 3: It's top of the line. It's classified as a gaming laptop.
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: I don't necessarily use it for gaming. I use it
• 15:16
  Speaker 3: for a lot of photoshop, video editing things that I
• 15:18
  Speaker 3: have to do it where because I have to troubleshoot
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: a lot of other people's problems so they have a
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: problem with like photoshop. I have to have Photoshop so
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: I can figure out what's going on with it. Right anyway,
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: top of the line laptop. All of a sudden, just recently,
• 15:34
  Speaker 3: it was about probably about a month ago, two months ago.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: Maybe I would just notice that I would shut it
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: down and when I would go to turn it back
• 15:41
  Speaker 3: on the keyboard because it's an RGB keyboard, the keyboard
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: would flash up and then nothing and it would just
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: it would it would be nothing. The black screen no
• 15:52
  Speaker 3: boot logo, nothing. It would just go back to being dead.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: And I pressed the button again power button and then
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: the same thing. Or to flash up nothing, I would
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: have to hold down the power button for sixty seconds,
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: not thirty sixty, because sixty will reset the sea moss.
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: It like clears it almost it clears the sea mos. Yeah,
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: and then boom it would power up just fine. But
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: day and time was wrong because oh yeah, it clears
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: the sea moss. So I would find that it would happen.
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: It started happening once, then it would happen again, and
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: then again again again, and then again again again again
• 16:28
  Speaker 3: again again. It would happen more and more often as
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: time went on, and so I started looking up this
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: this this problem, and there was no concrete evidence about it.
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: But it does sound similar to what your problem is, Andy.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: It from what I can deduce from looking at resources
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: using AI and also forums, it's a problem with the motherboard.
• 16:52
  Speaker 3: It could be problem with the CPU coming loose from
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: the motherboard because these computers, especially mine. I don't know
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: about yours, but mine was like again classified as a
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: gaming laptop. It had a very powerful graphics card. The
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: fans were always blowing like crazy. It could be overheating
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: and eventually melted some of the contacts of the motherboard
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: that could be and so I finally was like, look,
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: I can't. I can't do this anymore. I can't.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I have to have a.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Laptop that works for work. So I went to my
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: boss and I said, look, I know I just bought
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: this laptop for like nineteen hundred dollars a couple of
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: years ago. It's not working, and I have to have
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: as the IT manager. I have to have a laptop
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: that works. So I said, do I have your permission
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: to get in the laptop? And he's like, yeah, that's fine.
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: So I bought an HP Omen sixteen Max. You went
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: with an HP that surprises me a fan of HP.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: But I did a lot of research on this and
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I said, look, I need to stay within a certain
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: amount of budget because I don't have a lot of
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: money in my budget for work. I said, I need
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: to be a powerful computer. I needed to be able
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: to have a great graphics card for you know, doing
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: photo and video editing, just in case I need it.
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: But I do need it to have a good CPU. Now,
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: my a SEUs, the one that was having problems. Was
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: an Intel I nine uh, thirteenth, Jen, I want to say,
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: that's a.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Pretty good good.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Well, so was it? Was it the micro code issue
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: that you had?
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: What's that?
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: So in the thirteen and fourteenth generations nine's had micro
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: code issues where the micro code would literally melt literally
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: melt the processor.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I okay, here's the thing. So with that, a SEUs,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: my employee has the exact same computer as me, exact
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: like we bought two copies of that computer. His is
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: also having the exact same issue.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: That's gotta be probably the micro code issue.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, So now this micro code issue, can you explain
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: more about it? Like, I'll let you look it up.
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: Let me continue with my story after the.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Break, I'll kind of give a recap on what the
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: micro code is.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, please please do because this is very interesting
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: to me because I don't know about this. So anyway,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: I decided to go instead of Intel because I heard
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: about there was issues with the thirteenth and fourteen gen
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I went with an AMD rise in nine. So the
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: hp omen Max sixteen has an AMD rise In nine, right,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: and it has an RTX fifty sixty. Oh man, wow,
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: which is really interesting because half the time this is okay,
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: this is really weird. But when I launched the Nvidia
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: app on the on the computer right, Windows tells me
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I have a forty seventy, But the Nvidia app tells
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: me I have a fifty sixty. And when I go
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: to groc and I tell it I have an hp
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: omen Max sixteen with an RTX fifty sixty, it says, oh,
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: the user must be confused. There is no such thing
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: is a fifty sixty. They must have a forty seventy.
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: Are you kidding me? And Vidio recognizes it as a
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: fifty sixty, and that's what it was sold as. It
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: was a fifty sixty.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: But I can tell you right now, I have tested
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: it with some video editing apps.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: I even went ahead. I even did the unthinkable. I
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: installed Balder's Gate three right on this, which is one
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: of the most graphically intensive games. It runs it like
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: butter Really to hear the fans fans, No, the fans
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: are hardly even present. Now that's the big difference because
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: between my aceus had a thirty seventy TI, so it's
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: two generations older. So even though on paper that the
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: thirty seventy TI is more powerful than the fifty sixty.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: The fifty sixty is a lot more power efficient, so
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: I can I can run these these these power hungry
• 20:56
  Speaker 3: apps with a lot less power and a lot less
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: fan and a lot less heat.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: HP has always been and I some of the longest
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: living laptops I had have been hps. But then HP
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: got into this this area there where I mean, yeah,
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: they bought, they bought you know, other companies that had
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: a gaming you know line, the whole bit, the omen uh.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: And they then they got accused of bloatwear, and we
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: just saw a lot of bloatwear, a lot of stuff
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: that was.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: Like this didn't come with any blotwear, which was crazy.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: Really yeah for an HP that's caught me. Yeah, no, seriously,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: this did not come with any bloatwear at all.
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: So I ended up I ended up doing this, say,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: I had to get a laptop because I use it
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: for work, business, the whole bit. And I was I
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: was thinking, well, I've had I had that. I had
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: good luck with an Asus that eventually died, but it
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: been in service for many years. Then I went to
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: this Lenovo, being the fact that it was in service
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: for five six years and then it's it's been giving
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: me problems. I was like trying to figure out what
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: to get. I go to Walmart. They had their their rog.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: They had a rog that was there, you know, Asus
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: Republican gamers. It was their top of the line. It
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: was marked down to twelve hundred dollars from sixteen hundred dollars,
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: but it was missing keys and it looked like it
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: had been beat up. And I asked the clerk, I said,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: do you have any open box you know of? This
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: one that's marked down to twelve hundred. No, that's the one,
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: I said, but it's missing keys. And I said, tell
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: you what, you marked it down to nine, I'll buy it. Said, well,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: you could talk to the manager. And I went to
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: the manager and I said, I told them the same thing. Well,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: you know, well somebody will come along and probably just
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: want it, and I thought, okay, I'm not going to
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: spend that money on it. I ended up get myself
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: another Lenovo and it's it's an AMD. My first time
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: back to the AMD platform after so many years being Intel.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Let's see, IDA has gotten so much better. I'm pretty
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: impressed the problem with this thing and it's been driving
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I reinstalled about three times. Was Windows Microsoft, Windows wants
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: to attach to everything, One drive wants to be your
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: best friend, and one drive. So one drive actually screwed
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: up my install in the studio because it grabbed the
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: desktop and I don't know what it did. It just
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: destroyed my desktop of another computer just because it was
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: they were sharing files on one drive. The worst experience ever.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: And I don't mind one drive for a document like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: being able to upload it and grab my document. I
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: don't want it to share desktops. I don't want it
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: to do all this. I have a backup solution for Micronus.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Just leave me alone when it comes to one drive.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Just just was awful. And I think I finally got
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it set up. And now my big question I asked
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: you justin the other day. Should I go with a
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: local install like a local user on Windows, or do
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I do the log into my Windows account, my Microsoft
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: account and go that way. Some people have said go
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: with local instead, So that's why I wasn't sure what
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: to do.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Connecting my computer to an account that is solely based
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: by Microsoft scares the crap out of me. Yeah, why
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: would you not just build a local account that's my opinion, Like,
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: that's what I do for my computers, right, and I
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: just connect things internally, like if my outlook, I've got
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: other things that I'll connect to, but I don't because
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: you have to authentic. I feel like it's gonna have
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: to authenticate to their servers every time you connect to it.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, just be like.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: An active directory. I would just do local user like
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't connect it to an account.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: I say, I've always just done what Microsoft wants because
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: part of it is. Part of it is because they
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: make it so gosh darn difficult to not do what
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: they want.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly, the reminders, the.
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: Nags, well not even the next You can't even install
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Windows now without connecting to a Microsoft account. If you
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: go to install a fresh copy of Windows, it's like,
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: all right, here's the part where you have to set
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: up Windows, sign into your account. There's no SKIP, there's
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: some work around there. There's a workaround, but you have
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: to type in a special command reboot the computer.
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's you can't. You can't ben, you can't
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: have it plugged in. You can't have the Wi Fi
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: card plugged in because if it takes any semblance of
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: the Internet. It's like, whoa, you've got internet, bro? You
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: got you gotta Yeah, we know what you're doing. You
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: can't have an Internet cord plugged in. You can't have
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: the Wi Fi plugged in like it knows that.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: Can you just say wi Fi plugged in? You do
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: you even Wi Fi? Bro?
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: So when I tried to do it, I built a
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: computer for my niece. I had to physically pull the
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: the p C I E wireless card out of it
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: because it would not You kept saying you've got wireless.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's ridiculous.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: As I did that, ran the you know, no pass
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: whatever as shift F ten whatever the code is. Well,
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I told you once I disconnected the Wi Fi card
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: from the from the motherboard, let me do it without.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's like what ab ab up down, updown,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: left right start? Yeah, yeah, I told you. The system
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: in the studio got messed up. Now I can work
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: my production stiff systems okay. But the other one that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I use for yeah, you know, editing and stuff like that.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: So I'm thinking maybe it's time just put Linux mint
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: on this on one of them. But and then I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: was thinking, well, the problem is then can I network.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: You know, can I network with the other computers?
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Of course you can.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And I started asking, uh chat GPT, all these technical questions,
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: and it told me, yeah, use Samba. Apparently, if you're
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: on Linux Mint and you use Samba, yeah you can network.
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: No limitations honestly to what you want to do. I mean,
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: you know, obviously there's gonna.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Be some Linux is just making like, here's the thing.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: Every time Microsoft makes a mess up and they and
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: they take one step back, Linux takes like a half
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: a step forward.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: It's just the thing about getting into people.
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: This is gonna take over.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: It's it's the thing about getting into people's hands that hey,
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: here's something you could try. It's either gonna be relatively
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: inexpensive or free, and this will do what you wanted
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: to do. But it's not gonna look too different. Microsoft
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: keeps changing the the out the well not outlook the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: look for its OS anyways, So why not here here's
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: something you may be familiar with. It looks like Windows
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: TAN or Windows.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: The problem with Linux, though, there's I could go on
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: and on about Linux, but but here's the thing. But
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the problem with Linux is one of the main problems
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: is as soon as people start to get into Linux.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: It's like that that that famous meme where the guy
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: is hand in hand at the girl, but he's looking
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: back at the other more attractive girl. That okay, so
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: so okay. Let's imagine the guy is the user. The
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: girl that he's hand in hand with is Lenox. Meant
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: the girl that he's looking back at is Windows twelve.
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: And that's what happens every single time. Every same time
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: Lenox makes a couple of steps, Windows is like, hey,
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: we got this brand new operating system. It's pretty sweet.
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: Everybody's like, okay, I'll go back to Windows again.
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: If you see. I don't know. Here's the thing. I
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: think Microsoft believes that everybody wants AI. That's why they're
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: they're sticking everybody.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Major tech company thinks everybody wants AI. And I we
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: talked about this after the Worldwide Developer Conference about how
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: Apples this has prost distanced themselves from their own AI.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: They've integrated ched GBT into the new i' you know, iPhone,
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the new iOS, and I think that Apple's just coming
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: around realizing that AI is not all it's cut up
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, maybe in certain aspects.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: But there's a whole nother conversation about AI I could have.
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: We got to take a break.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: Come back, Sean, you looked up some stuff on this
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: this code this this microprocessor code error that Intel had
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: with thirteen fourteen gen. So we'll go over that when
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: we come back with tech talk Radio. I'm Andy Taylor,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: I'm Sean de Weird, and I'm Justin. Let me find
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: us on the web at tech talk radio dot com.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: Now back to tech talk Radio. So before the break,
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: we were talking about Justin's laptop woes. Yeah, and when
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: you mentioned the I nine processor thirteenth gen, I really
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: keyed into Hey, twenty twenty four. Intel when they released
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the I thirteen or the I nine thirteen and then
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: the I nine fourteen generations, they had a pretty significant
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: issue with those processes.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Was it twenty twenty four or twenty twenty three? I
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: think it might have been twenty twenty four.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: It was well, okay, see okay, But to think about
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: the one when I bought it, it was twenty twenty gosh,
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I want to say it was twenty twenty three, late
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty three, but it was definitely an I nine
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: thirteenth gen.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So they identified, so you're you're probably right. So they
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: identified the problem mid August of twenty twenty four, so
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: likely it affected probably early I thirteen curls.
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: It could also be because of all the different Windows updates,
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: some with Windows might have also done something to it.
• 30:25
  Speaker 3: But yeah, go ahead, So this is.
• 30:26
  Speaker 2: Not a Windows issue. This is an Intel CPU issue.
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: So the TLDR on this is that there's an instability
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: on the Intel I nine, thirteen and fourteen gendesktops CPUs
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: that stemmed from microcode bugs causing excessive voltage and permanent
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: chip degradation. So basically, the code that runs on the
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: chip itself handling voltage regulation was failing, literally burning up
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: the CPUs. So it issued a series of fixes via
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: bios updates to basically updates to basically cap the voltage
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: and protect some of the unaffected chips.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: But you didn't do a BIOS update on it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: No, No, I have looked and looked and looked. I
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: have done I have I have. I have done Driver Easy,
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: which I again I've I've talked about Driver Easy many
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: many times on this show. It's an amazing program. I
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: have done Driver Easy. I have gone to a Sus' website,
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: there is absolutely no bios updates since from since June
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: Wow, that seems kind of strange.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Nothing. Yeah, so it says too up to the fix.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: It says the fix. It's not a fix. It says
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: stop to your bios and then used all the default
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: said it. All the default pastas are settings on your
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: bios and if you're still seeing crashes are man because
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: they extended the warranty for the nines.
• 31:53
  Speaker 3: Wait wait, hold on, they extended the warranty. Yes, okay,
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: because I tried.
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: To actually go to a Seus's website and type in
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: my serial number and it said it was not under
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: warranty anymore. Uh, that's interesting because it should be.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I'm Intel expanded as warranty in August of twenty twenty four,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: adding two extra years onto affected retail and O coreines
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I seventh and some I five Raptor Lak models including
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: k KF, ks F and non K variants.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Oh man, I don't know how to resolve this. Then.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm holding on to my Lenovo hoping maybe I
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: can find a fix for that.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Well that I'm holding onto this too. I mean, I
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: was literally about to give it to my intern and say, here,
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: take it apart and see what you can learn about
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: a PC. But I don't. I don't want to do
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: that because it's such an expensive PC.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Or I could sell mine and just say it just
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: unplugged the sea mus, unplug the battery, plug it in
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: at work.
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: It's ridiculous.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: But now now both both machines you guys are talking
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: about are running the iines.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, mine's the I seven So yeah, so it's the
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: thirteen and fourteenth gen, right, so it could be an
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I seven thirteen gen.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I think it istant.
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I would look into seeing if maybe reaching
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: out to tell specifically and not.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: A sus oh that's right, justin see Andy, this is
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: why I told you we should bring Sean on the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: show specifically somebody else might be listening to this that
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: has gone through this, and yeah, because Sean is like
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Sean is like that guy.
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: He's like James Bond's cue, like he's the guy that
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: does all the research in the bank. We can't figure
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: it out. He's like, oh, yeah, here's your problem, Sean.
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: You're gonna have to do.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: So that's a blessing in disguise. Because it's painstaking for
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: me to buy anything.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, because I have to do.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: Like thirty review checks.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: I want to get in asking you, Sean before I
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: buy anything. I'd be like, hey, what do you think
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: about this? Yeah?
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: I just love technology, man.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, Sean has to do the
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: show from now on in a British accent, though, just like.
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: You can you just give us an example of what
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: your British Come on, we gotta hear it, we gotta
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: hear it, just once, just to jolly good, jolly good.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a real brit so I can. I can listen
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: and I might.
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: I might get a no doc and be gone.
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: And if I do that, even if you're doing is this?
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: Uh what is it that? Michael Caine?
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: But maybe I'm just like, can you do it? Michael King?
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: And Andy?
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Uh? No, I can't. I can do an Assie, that's
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: about it. Like the tech technology, don't. It takes me
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: a while to get into it.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: You know. I can actually do an Aussie too, can
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: you really? I can do it? Hold on, let me
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: let me travel.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: You guys go into on here.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: Just I just we do that.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Respect for Ozzy. A lot of you were you at
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: the station when Ozzie came in two thousand and one,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: because you were working with us back then.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Yes, of course I was. So.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you saw him, but it was
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: pretty cool. Yeah, yeah, it came amazing came to this,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: but yes, rest in peace.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: So reach out to Intel.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, okay, reach out. Thanks for getting back on
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: track there, Sean. And wait, so wa are you talking about?
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: Should we literally reach out to Intel or the manufacturer
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: of the laptop? I think Intel? First, Well, how how
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: could Intel? I mean, what's Intel gonna do. Intel's gonna
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: be like, well, you got to reach out to your manufacturer.
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably He's right, an Intel problem. Well okay,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: but but they're not gonna literally like, are they gonna
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: take my laptop back and put it with a different Intel.
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: There's a serial number on your ZPU, take it out,
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: take the serial number and take it to Intel and
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: say I'm having this issue, Yeah.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: Fix it. Here's an interesting thing too. And one other
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: thing I would mention justin is do a search for
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: a class action lawsuit just to see if anybody else
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: has had the same issue. Uh, this happened to me
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago, I had a customer bring
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: me a laptop that they said, can you put you know,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Windows ten on it? And it had Windows seven and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I said, yeah, let me let me take a look
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: at it. I went off to I found a license
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: for Windows ten on stack Social. It was cheap and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I think it went through a group on or whatever
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: whatever it was. I think it was eleven bucks. Right,
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: it's a lot better than paying one hundred and seven dollars.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: So I got that, got that installed. Everything was fine.
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: One of the things. The other thing you wanted was
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: the hinge fixed. So on this Tashiba six fifty five,
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: you'd go to open the laptop and it'd be fine,
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: but then you go to close it and the whole
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: back right started lifting up, and then you have to
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: snap it down. So I went in and I took
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: it apart to look at it, and the plastic that
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: was holding the little screws in place that hold the
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: mounts for the hinge where they were shattered. They're completely broken.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is just awful. You know, I'm
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: gonna there's no way to fix this. I thought, try
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: it a little monster here, you know, glue or gorilla glue. No,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: that's not going to work. So I ended up going
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: online and I got lucky. I found a laptop the
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: same brand, same year, the whole bit, for twenty dollars
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: and this is on eBay, and I said I'll take
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a chance, so I bought it. I paid maybe twenty
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: dollars for shipping as well, and I get this laptop
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: in open. I opened it up and the Hinge system
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: completely different it. The Hinge system had a metal plate
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: on it that held everything in place so it wouldn't snap.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: And I thought, this is pretty amazing, this is cool.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: So I ended up changing out everything, you know. I
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: had to take motherboard out, the whole bit and got
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: it into this case and now perfect with the hinges
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: the whole bit. But while I was doing the research
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: for this, I found out it was a class action
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: lawsuit against to Shiba for this Hinge system that was
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: breaking on everybody that was opening and closing their laptops.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: Really, but it was too.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Late because it had already been satisfied that you know,
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: with the courts. It was too late to try and
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: file and claim just other people. This luck luckily, this
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: this laptop I k got in didn't have that issue.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I think it came out after this model,
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: this guy's model, so they had fixed it and I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: just got lucky there.
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: But interesting, Yeah, I'll double I'll I'll check into that. Yeah,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: I mean, I just I think the problem also is
• 38:28
  Speaker 3: like a SU's customer support is pretty much non existent.
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: Everything is that way, now, don't you think customer support
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: It's hard to get in touch with anybody, and if
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: you do.
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: It's it's it's just AI. Yeah. It's like usually you're
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: like you're talking to some like it's like, Hi, I'm Greg,
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: how can I help you today? And I'm like, Greg,
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: are you an AI? And it's like, yes, I'm an
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: AI and I'm here to assist you. I'm like, put
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: me in touch with a real person. Yeah, I'm sorry, Dave,
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: I cannot do that.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: That's your two thousand and one voice. Yeah, yeah, no,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating. But I was thinking about this. I
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: was just thinking about this the other day. I'm restarting
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: my design business, my service business, going a little more
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: forward with it, and I just I get so much
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: spam calls and their local spam calls. Now I must
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: say I am on Exfinity. A lot of the information
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Exfinity had a big hack. A lot of that got
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: out there that had my home residents, that had my
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: phone number, my name, business, the whole bit, and that's
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: how they got the information. So I'm thinking it's time
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: to change the phone numbers and time to change emails
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: and just start over and see hopefully I won't get
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: somebody else, because businesses have to deal with that now.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Spam calls to the front desk, you know, what do
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: you do? There Is there any service that will block them,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: you know? Or do you just offshoot them to an
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: AI service that will answer your call for you?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, a couple a couple quick thoughts about this.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: I actually subscribe to a daily newsletter that comes into
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: my inbox every day. It's Roca News. And this might
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: be like the website of the week. I don't know.
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: We'll talk about it later. But one of their common
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: advertisers is Incognito, and they always talk about Incognito. You know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: you sign up with them, it's like, I don't know,
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: thirty bucks a year or something like that. I don't
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: know exactly, but they promised to like remove your information
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: from the Internet.
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: As best as they can, especially the dark web. Oh
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: and they claim that they.
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: Can reduce spam call spam emails by ninety percent, So
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: that's kind of interesting.
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: So that's pretty vague.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it's a bold claim, but it might be
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: something to look into. Incognito is one of those websites
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: that that might might help you out.
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: All right, we had to take another quick break. You
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: want to talk a little bit about AI as well.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I know we have a listener question as well and
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: a comment on our website that it's got a lot
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: of people upset, So we'll do that when we come back.
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: I'm Andy Taylor, I'm sir, and I'm justin. Let me
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: send us an X at tech talk Radio. As long
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: as you're not spam we'll be right back. And now
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: back to tech Talk Radio. So we were talking a
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: little bit about AI in the past here past couple
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: of segments. I recently read an article that talked about
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: the top jobs that would be affected by AI top
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: I think it was top twenty five jobs be affected
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: by AI and the top twenty five jobs that would
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: not be affected by AI. Really okay, and I want
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: to ask you Andy first, Yeah, what industry do you
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: think would be affected the most by AI? And what
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: would you think we affected the least? And I'm going
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: to ask Sean the same question.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Well, the most by AI would be like a online
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: like publication, you know, all of the stuff. Journal list, Yeah, journalist.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: I know that radio has been affected by it. You know,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: that has been one of the things as far as
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: the least medical profession anything in the world of medical
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: you can't have, you know, AI doing a diagnosis for you.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: So that would be one that I don't think would
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: be touched.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: How about you, Sean, Yeah, copywriting journalism for the first Okay, Yeah,
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: I think that by far, hands down.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: It's that's that's somebody's job was to pull the wires.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: And I worked in justin you know, you worked in news,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: and Andy you worked in radio, kind of same thing.
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Somebody's job was to read the wires and write copy
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: and put it on the website.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Now it's just all a I generated. It just reads
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: the wire and it spits out a copy that's got
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: a little bit of flavor for the local station, and it's
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: done Ye transcribing, so anybody that's anybody's transcription Live captioning
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: M or how about least least trucking.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Okay, physical physical, I mean, I know that it's coming
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: with down the road, but it's down down there.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: But that's there's so much more regulation in the auto
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: industry for AI then, But I think the more physical
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: like physical goods moving and physical goods shipping, logistics, Like
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: there's AI involved, right, but people still have to move
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: the content from place to place. So shipping and logistics
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: in the physical portion of it. Not the logistics side
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: of it, the planning in the the freight and the
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: calculations and the that mileage and the fuel and like
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: that's all gonna get taken over a hands down, but
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the actual like driving of the vehicles.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know they're talking about AI driving vehicle.
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: So okay, okay, let's let me interject here, let me interject. Okay,
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: So Andy, what did you say was the most It
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: was just journalist journalism online. You also said journalism, okay,
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: so that was definitely on the list of the most affected.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: It was like the I think it was like the fifteenth.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: I don't have the list in front of me right now.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: It was like the fifteenth most affected. The other ones
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: that were affected were basically all of the top college
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: degree jobs whoa anything that had a college degree was
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: going to be affected by AI, including computer programming, including
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: you know, banking, including just basically any If you look
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: down the list, it was pretty much anything with a
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: college degree. Now you said least least affected by it, Sean,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: you mentioned trucking. Trucking was actually on the list of
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: the most affected because of AI cars like like self
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: driving trucks.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: They've been doing the test on the list test in
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: Phoenix with these these trucks that eighteen wheelers there. So
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: that that right there is is on the list of
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: most affected.
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: The least affect did jobs that, according according to this
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: one particular study. Okay, I'm not saying this is all
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: you know, set in stone trade jobs, plumbing, electricians, hvac,
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: anything that requires hands on these were the least affected jobs.
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Now this is kind of interesting because you know, we
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: talk about people like you know, kids growing up. They're like,
• 45:28
  Speaker 3: oh my god, you've got to go to college. You
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: got to get a degree, you got to be successful
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: in the world. You got to get a degree. But
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: there's so many people out there that are like, no,
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: you don't necessarily have to get a degree. You need
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: to get a trade. Go go study a trade, Go
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: go be an electrician, Go be a plumber, Go go
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: do this. And I know these people like these are like,
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: these are not office jobs. These are not regarded in
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: today's society as being the most prestigious jobs. But I'll
• 45:55
  Speaker 3: tell you right now, these are the jobs that are
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: not going to be affected by AI regard list of
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: what AI ends up turning out to be. These are
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: the jobs that are still going to require human hands
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: to do this, and trade skills are just becoming more
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: and more prevalent in today's society versus going to college,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: getting a four year degree, coming out and then finding
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: no jobs.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of Oh, that's that's scary, especial spending
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: all that money for the education and then find out there's.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: No That's why I'm not I'm not pushing for Eric,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: my son. You know, he's eight and a half years old.
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: I'm not pushing for him to go to college. Now.
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: We're not We're not at the point where I'm talking
• 46:36
  Speaker 3: about him going to trade school. I mean, he doesn't
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: even know about what that means. Yeah, but I'm I'm
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: gonna tell him. Look, man, there's other options out there
• 46:44
  Speaker 3: besides just college, like especially when it comes to the
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: world of AI, if AI is going to take over journalism,
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: which was very high on the list. Let me try
• 46:53
  Speaker 3: to think of other ones that are out there. Medical
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: medical was even on the list of most related. Yes,
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: medical medical assistant was on the list of being the
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: most effective because doctors are turning to AI to help
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: diagnose certain ailments.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: I like how some medical offices are using technology like tablets.
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: You know, you go in, you're giving a tablet, and
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: then you enter your information onto that tablet, and it
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: is sort of the same way, you know, but it
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: number one reduces the paperwork load and number two makes
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: it faster for you to be processed. But will they
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: eventually get rid of those people that are checking you
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: in when you go to the hospital, whether you're having
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: a baby or having heart surgery.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I have a.
• 47:41
  Speaker 3: Bone to pick with that, and I think our listeners
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: will too. Every time I go to the doctor's office,
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: they asked me before I come in, they asked me
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: fill out this online questionnaire. Right, I type my name,
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: my social Security number, I type in all my ailments.
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: I type in do I have you know all these
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: different diseases. No, no, no, no, no no no. Right.
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: I get to the office, They're like, okay, now you
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: need to check in. They give me another tablet asking
• 48:10
  Speaker 3: me the same damn thing.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Yes, and then I get into the waiting room and
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: the doctor comes in and.
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: Ask me the same damn questions.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: You are one hundred percent correct, correct, so stupid. Sorry,
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: there is a there is a certain amount of redundancy
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: while trying to be the Department of repump department, the
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Department of Redundancy department.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: Damn it.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: All right, we gotta take a break.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: That was good.
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: We'll come back with more of tech Talk Radio. Uh,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: you have a website of the week. We got a
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: listener question and if we can get this in, but
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: we're gonna try with more of that. I'm Andy Taylor,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I'm Seanda Weird, and I'm justin Lemmy and I'm mad.
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: We'll be right back and factor tech Talk Radio.
• 49:02
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• 49:03
  Speaker 1: is I can say something in all seriousness and it
• 49:07
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• 49:10
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• 49:12
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  Speaker 1: When we're in the summer months like we are and
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  Speaker 1: it gets really hot, we need to talk about your technology.
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  Speaker 1: Your computer's in heat. And of course Justin had the
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  Speaker 1: question that just just works it out perfectly.
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  Speaker 3: Are you talking about like, wait, are we talking about
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  Speaker 3: computers and heat like they're gonna reproduce or are we
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  Speaker 3: talking about.
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  Speaker 2: When two computers love each other.
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  Speaker 3: They're just gonna come together to have a little baby computer.
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  Speaker 2: But make sure you have a proper antivirus.
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  Speaker 3: Protection, folks.
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  Speaker 1: And that, kids, is where flash drives come from.
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  Speaker 3: The USB can only go in one way, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Seriously, though, when it comes to your computers and heat,
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  Speaker 1: you got to be careful. Don't leave them in your car, remember.
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  Speaker 2: Now, any any technology. Heat is the killer of most technology, right,
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  Speaker 2: That's why there's fans, that's why. Yeah, and obviously you're going,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and we don't have this problem.
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  Speaker 1: But you ever grab your smartphone and it's it like
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  Speaker 1: tells you it's got warning where you know it's overheated,
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  Speaker 1: and it was just sitting on the like on this
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  Speaker 1: on the you know charging plate that's that you drive with,
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  Speaker 1: so it's your hands free and it can heat up
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  Speaker 1: just being in the car.
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  Speaker 3: Well, yes, truthfully, yes, but we also don't live in
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  Speaker 3: Arizona where it's one hundred and fifty thousand degrees. True.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you still have to worry about that, don't you.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the sun isn't in Colorado.
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  Speaker 2: You know my car gets hot enough to worry about.
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  Speaker 2: I mean I've ruined at least one dash cam having
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  Speaker 2: it mounted in the windshield all the time. And then
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  Speaker 2: lens is a focal point and it focuses the sun
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  Speaker 2: so it can mount the internals that can destroy cameras.
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  Speaker 3: So you know what, I think I have the name
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  Speaker 3: of the show.
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  Speaker 1: All right, what is the name of the show?
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  Speaker 3: This week's show Computers Love each Other? There you go.
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  Speaker 3: I think that works all right.
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  Speaker 1: Quick website of the week? Anybody got one?
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  Speaker 3: I do. It's called incogny and I was ok about earlier,
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  Speaker 3: so it's I n coog ni and cogni dot com.
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  Speaker 3: It claims to be able to protect you from identity theft,
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  Speaker 3: from spam, from online stocking, from doxing, digital redlining, spam calls. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: the website actually just keeps repeating itself. Here, I'm just
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  Speaker 3: reading off the website. It's a great website. So it's
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  Speaker 3: a thirty day money back guarantee. It's been talked about
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  Speaker 3: on tech Radar, cyber News, PC Gamer, nord VPN, shurp Shark.
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  Speaker 3: It's a really good website and it kind of promises
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  Speaker 3: to kind of just take your information off of the
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  Speaker 3: web so you're not as susceptible to all of these
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  Speaker 3: you know, these these fake people that are calling we're
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  Speaker 3: spamming you or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: I'd love to see comparison between LifeLock and Incognitiate and LifeLock.
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  Speaker 3: I LifeLock, I don't.
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  Speaker 2: My My one question is say I say I pay
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  Speaker 2: for one year, right, they wipe my data? What happens
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  Speaker 2: if I don't renew it that one year?
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  Speaker 3: They put it back?
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: They're like, wow, I guess we have all your data here.
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  Speaker 3: You better pay us. We're going to put it back. No,
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  Speaker 3: I think. I think honestly, what it is is they
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  Speaker 3: remove it and then if you don't renew it, they're
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  Speaker 3: not going to keep looking for your data. They're just
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  Speaker 3: your data is going to naturally reappear on these websites
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  Speaker 3: as you continue your life. So if you keep paying
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  Speaker 3: for that, they're going to keep going out finding your
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: data and removing it from the web, the dark web,
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  Speaker 3: from all these data brokers. Things like that, so stocking, doxing, swatting, discrimination,
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  Speaker 3: physical harm, black mare, extortion, spam, email, spam calls, digital redlining, fishing,
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  Speaker 3: things fishing. They're gonna get rid of it all, that's
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  Speaker 3: what they claim. There's a thirty day money back guarantee
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  Speaker 3: you can go in Cogni dot com.
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  Speaker 1: All right, sounds good when two computers love each other.
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  Speaker 1: The theme for the show. Thank you so much for
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  Speaker 1: joining in. I'm Andy Taylor, I'm Shonda Weird.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm Justin. Let me find us on the web
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  Speaker 3: at tech talk radio dot com. Have yourselves great week.
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  Speaker 3: We'll see you next time.