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Wired To Hunt Podcast #86: New Bowhunting Gear & Updates From The 2016 ATA Show · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wire to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. In this is episode number six.
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Speaker 1: Today in the show, we're sharing a behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: look at the latest bow hunting gear and news from
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Speaker 1: the two thousand sixteen a t A show. All right,
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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought to you
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Speaker 1: by Sick of Gear. And today we are doing something
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Speaker 1: that we have never done before. Me and Dan, my
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Speaker 1: co host, are sitting in a room together recording a podcast.
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Speaker 1: And what do you think about this? Dan, It's a
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Speaker 1: little weird because it's not just any room. It is, uh,
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Speaker 1: it's a hotel room where you pay by the hour,
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Speaker 1: So that part we're gonna leave out. Nan, No, it's
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Speaker 1: it's weird because are set up now everybody who talks
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Speaker 1: has to lean in and then lean out, and then
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Speaker 1: lean in and then lean out. So we might not
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Speaker 1: sound the best today, but we're working with our with
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Speaker 1: our Jankee set up here and it'll it will be
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Speaker 1: good because we are here at the two thousand sixteen
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Speaker 1: Archer Trade Association Show, which for those that don't know,
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Speaker 1: is essentially that the largest archery and bow hunting convention
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Speaker 1: of the year where retailers, manufacturers, and media members all
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Speaker 1: come together to check out the newest products from all
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Speaker 1: the companies across the board. And you know, retailers are
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Speaker 1: trying to figure out what products they need to stock,
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Speaker 1: manufacturers are trying to make sure that retailers stock their products,
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Speaker 1: and the media is trying to see it all and
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Speaker 1: hear it all and and share it. So that's what
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Speaker 1: me and Dan have been doing over the past couple
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Speaker 1: of days. So today we wanted to give you a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a sneak peek into what the A T.
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Speaker 1: A Show is like to be at, and then we'll
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Speaker 1: share some of our own experiences this week and finally
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Speaker 1: go through some of the most interesting new products we've seen.
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Speaker 1: There's been a lot. I'm kind of overwhelmed still, but
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Speaker 1: we'll try to share a couple of our favorites and
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Speaker 1: give you a little bit of a look behind the
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Speaker 1: scenes of what this whole crazy thing is about. Because
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've probably seen a lot on social media
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Speaker 1: and different websites over the past few days. Um possibly
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Speaker 1: because a lot of people are talking about it, so
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Speaker 1: we want to give you a little bit different perspective. So, Dan,
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Speaker 1: has the show going for you so far? Well, I
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Speaker 1: made the mistake of wearing a brand new pair of
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Speaker 1: shoes and walking up and down the aisles all day long,
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Speaker 1: so my feet hurt, and uh, but I did good.
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Speaker 1: I didn't go out drinking at all this week while
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Speaker 1: I was here compared past years, and uh, I got
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Speaker 1: some barbecue, ate some barbecue, and I went back to
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Speaker 1: my room. But other than that, the show has been good.
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Speaker 1: I did the same thing you did, walk up and
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Speaker 1: down the aisles, look at products, talk to manufacturers, and
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Speaker 1: just get a ton of information. That's one of the
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Speaker 1: things about the show usually is that when you get
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Speaker 1: thousands and thousands and thousands of bow hunters together, and
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Speaker 1: all these people from the media and all these different
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Speaker 1: companies that you see, maybe you talk to online a lot,
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Speaker 1: but you don't have get to met in person when
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Speaker 1: everyone gets together. Usually there's a lot of after school events.
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Speaker 1: I guess we'll call it, and usually Dan, you and
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Speaker 1: I participate. But last night I had a dinner meeting,
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Speaker 1: and uh, after that, after that dinner meeting, I looked
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Speaker 1: at the clock, and I was like, you know, I'm
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Speaker 1: just tired. I'm going home. I'm not I'm not gonna text.
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Speaker 1: And when I'm not gonna head downtown's gonna go back
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Speaker 1: to the hotel room. And remember thinking my head like, wow,
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Speaker 1: you're pretty landmark. But I opened I opened the door
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Speaker 1: and walked to the hotel room, which which you and
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Speaker 1: me are sharing, Dan, and there you are already passed
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Speaker 1: out as sleep. And I realized it's ten thirty and
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Speaker 1: me and Dan Johnson are already sleeping in the hotel room.
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Speaker 1: This marked a new era in our our maturation as adults.
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Speaker 1: So it was a different kind of a tap from
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Speaker 1: that perspective. But it's still been fun. It's still been fun.
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Speaker 1: I uh, I got in Monday night and just try
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Speaker 1: to do a little bit of work and then Tuesday
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Speaker 1: was a full day on the floor. I did go
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Speaker 1: out last Tuesday. I did go out Tuesday night. I
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Speaker 1: saw some people, had some fun, and then yesterday was
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Speaker 1: it was the early night. But I think you you
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Speaker 1: came in one Wednesday morning, like five in the morning. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I left. I left my my house at eight o'clock
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Speaker 1: pm on Tuesday night, drove all through the night got here?
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Speaker 1: When was it? I got here about four thirty. I
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Speaker 1: was sleeping kind of by five am, and then the
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Speaker 1: alarm went off at seven thirty, so I got an
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Speaker 1: hour and a half of sleep. Hit the hit show. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a it's the last day of the show now
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Speaker 1: and now you've had the two keep on, say fifteen,
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Speaker 1: but the two sixteen shows in the books. Almost how
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Speaker 1: many shows? How many tens have you been to? This
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Speaker 1: is my probably let me see here, this is my
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Speaker 1: sixth I think about you, I think this is my
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Speaker 1: this is my sixth, fifth or six as well. So
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Speaker 1: in a short minute or so, how how would you
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Speaker 1: describe a T A what's the A T show experience
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Speaker 1: like for you? Usually for those of who have never
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Speaker 1: been to an A T A show, let me sum
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Speaker 1: it up for you. Designer jeans money company spends big
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Speaker 1: companies spend big money on booth spaces and a lot
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Speaker 1: of people similar to what we do. Like if they
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Speaker 1: have a web show or if they have I don't
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Speaker 1: know what a television show. Everybody's trying to there's it's
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Speaker 1: everybody's trying to get something the like Mark said earlier,
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Speaker 1: the manufacturers are trying to sell their products to the buyers.
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Speaker 1: The buyers are trying to you know, sell the products
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Speaker 1: that they buy to the retail stores, and and then
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Speaker 1: there's all this all this negotiations that take place for products.
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Speaker 1: And then at the same time, you've got people in
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Speaker 1: the media similar to what we do, who are trying
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Speaker 1: to get their hands on some of that money as well. Uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, for sponsorships, for ad dollars, for you know,
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Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different things, and uh, it's it's
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Speaker 1: pretty unique being being able to see the business side
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Speaker 1: of the hunting industry. Yeah, you basically have every every
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Speaker 1: side of the hunting industry is there, so you're you're
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Speaker 1: right in the middle of it. I remember my first year.
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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but my first year a
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Speaker 1: t a you. You walk in the doors and it's overwhelming.
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Speaker 1: It's just like, holy crap, it's bright lights and blaring
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Speaker 1: music and videos and people everywhere and endless, endless booths
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Speaker 1: and products everywhere. Like every year, I just start walking
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Speaker 1: in the first like few hours, I just kind of wander,
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Speaker 1: just trying to take it all in. And then from
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Speaker 1: there I can kind of start figure out where I
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Speaker 1: need to talk to people and all that. But for
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Speaker 1: for a little perspective for those who haven't been to
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Speaker 1: the show before, imagined, Oh gosh, I guess, imagine several
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Speaker 1: huge convention floor spaces, I mean like hundreds and I
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Speaker 1: don't know five six football fields maybe more basically a
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Speaker 1: Walmart distribution center, yeah, full of every bow hunting product
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Speaker 1: that you've ever seen. And then you get you get
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Speaker 1: some companies just have a small booth like a single table,
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Speaker 1: and some you know, things behind them. And then you've
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Speaker 1: got other companies that are massive elaborate setups like compounds
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Speaker 1: like cabins. Almost there's all sorts of people bringing all
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Speaker 1: sorts of interesting things, couches and tables and meeting rooms
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Speaker 1: and huge panoramic video screens with videos playing and all
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Speaker 1: their sample products, especially like the bow manufacturers. Usually you've
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Speaker 1: got some of the biggest setups. Um and and today
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Speaker 1: there's a couple of different large holding companies that own
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Speaker 1: like five or six different big hunting brands. So those
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Speaker 1: guys have got like little small villages set up with
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Speaker 1: corners for each one of the brands. So it's quite
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Speaker 1: a quite a setup. And um on top of that too,
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Speaker 1: especially if you're new here. Um, you know, there can
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Speaker 1: be a little bit of um, I don't know, sensory overloads.
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Speaker 1: Sensory overload. Yeah, that's that's a good way to put it.
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Speaker 1: And then on top of that, if you watch outdoor
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Speaker 1: TV or anything that or read magazines, you know, all
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Speaker 1: the all the hunting media folks are here, which is
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Speaker 1: kind of interesting. There's you know, autograph signings from all
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Speaker 1: your TV people at different booths. So you'll walk around
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Speaker 1: and then there'll be some massive line or huge throng
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Speaker 1: of people and you know, Jim Shock you will be
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Speaker 1: standing up on a stage talking, or you'll turn around
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Speaker 1: and there's Michael Waddell and you walk a little further
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Speaker 1: and there's cameraon Haynes and you walk a little further
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Speaker 1: and there's Leant Tiffany and because it's pretty much everyone's here,
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Speaker 1: So if you're into that kind of stuff, you get
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Speaker 1: to see those folks, which can be cool, I guess,
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Speaker 1: And I didn't mean that in a bad way, I guess, um,
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Speaker 1: But yeah, it's interesting. So a t A is definitely
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Speaker 1: an experience. Um. And if you are you know, involved
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Speaker 1: in the in the bow hunting industry in any way,
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Speaker 1: whether you are on media, or you work for a
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Speaker 1: company that makes gear or you sell gear or anything
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Speaker 1: that gets open to the to those types of professions.
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Speaker 1: So if you are in that business in any way
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Speaker 1: and you haven't been to the A T. Show, I
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Speaker 1: definitely recommend coming out and just checking it out to
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Speaker 1: see it. It's it's worth an experience, that's for sure,
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Speaker 1: and I think maybe definitely probably my favorite thing about
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Speaker 1: the A T Show is just the opportunity to connect
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Speaker 1: in person with people. Lots of times that you might
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Speaker 1: just talk to online or occasionally on the phone or something.
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Speaker 1: Getting to meet face to face um always seems to
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Speaker 1: be you know, really valuable and just fun to connect
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Speaker 1: with people again and catch up with folks. It's it's
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Speaker 1: kind of like a great, big, strange family gathering I
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Speaker 1: guess um when everyone gets back together. So it's been
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Speaker 1: fun from that perspective for me. Now, before we get
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Speaker 1: And now let's get back to the show. I I'm
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Speaker 1: curious Dan your show so far, I've been pretty quick.
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Speaker 1: You've been I think harassing people to talk to you, right?
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Speaker 1: Is that is that is that your methodology Dan, asking
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Speaker 1: corner them in an income an uncomfortable position. I'm just kidding.
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Speaker 1: What have you been doing here so far? Well, basically
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Speaker 1: what my first The first thing I did was take
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Speaker 1: a lap, just walk up and down every aisle, trying
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Speaker 1: to see who I wanted to talk to in regards
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Speaker 1: to my own personal show, uh my own podcast and
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Speaker 1: getting guests for my podcast. I wanted to interview, you know,
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Speaker 1: the gear side of things, the manufacturers, the equipment, all
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Speaker 1: that stuff. Who who do you think maybe you can't
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Speaker 1: share you but are there any particular companies that you
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Speaker 1: talk to that you think for sure you're gonna be
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Speaker 1: able to share on the nine Finger Chronicles podcast that
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Speaker 1: you're site about. Well, every person I've talked to you
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Speaker 1: seemed interested. So if my stack of business cards that
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Speaker 1: I got all plays out, I'm gonna have fifty podcast
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Speaker 1: coming this year, which is pretty exciting. But yeah, you know,
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Speaker 1: like companies like n AP, companies like uh UM, a
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Speaker 1: close friend of mine, same Colora owns Miss dear p.
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Speaker 1: It's just a set and he's from my hometown. I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna have him on the show. I talked to him.
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Speaker 1: Just a gamut from like you said, really small companies
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Speaker 1: to the larger you know, I don't even know what
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Speaker 1: they're called corporations basically like the Outdoor Group, and they
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Speaker 1: own Elite, they own Slick Trick, they own dual Game calls.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I think that's one of the things that
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Speaker 1: maybe a lot of people don't realize, and I didn't
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Speaker 1: really realize until we started, you know, showing up of
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Speaker 1: these shows that a lot of the hunting brands that
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Speaker 1: were familiar with are part of these larger holding companies,
13:55
Speaker 1: um mega corporations. So like, for example, you mentioned the
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Speaker 1: Outdoor Group, um Prad Code Brands owns Moultrie, Summit Tree, stands,
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Speaker 1: Code Blue, and night Inhale. It's another big one. UM
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Speaker 1: plane of synergy is huge there. Gosh, I'm gonna forget
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Speaker 1: some of their brands Barnett Tensing, Barnet Crossbows, Wild Game Innovations,
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Speaker 1: Plano Cases and stuff. Uh, blood Sport Arrows they just
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Speaker 1: added this year. I saw what else any others on
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Speaker 1: that front. Yeah, So there's a whole bunch of these
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Speaker 1: mega kind of corporations that have kind of been collecting
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Speaker 1: brands underneath her umbrella. Now. Um, so that's been an
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Speaker 1: interesting change. It definitely seems over the last few years
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Speaker 1: that's been happening more and more you see more of
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Speaker 1: these brands getting pulled under. M Feradyne is another one.
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Speaker 1: They've got Muzzy Rage, True Fire, uh something else. So
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Speaker 1: that's something that's interesting to see here. UM. Now to
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Speaker 1: what you said, Dan about what we've been doing here,
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Speaker 1: I've been doing a lot of the same thing. UM.
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Speaker 1: I've been you know, given the fact that we have
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Speaker 1: relationships with some companies, I'm spending time meeting with companies
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Speaker 1: to catch up and and chat about what we've been
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Speaker 1: doing so far and what we might do in the future. UM.
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Speaker 1: So lots of Mellis, different people, magazine editors, um, all
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Speaker 1: the different folks in the industry that I work with.
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Speaker 1: Try to connect with them here while we're at the
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Speaker 1: show and in person, because you know, it's pretty hard
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Speaker 1: to do that when we're spread all across the country.
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Speaker 1: So when we all get here together, it's like packing
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Speaker 1: as much as you possibly can. UM. And then also
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Speaker 1: in between all of that, then trying to see as
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Speaker 1: much of the new gear as possible, try to share
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Speaker 1: some of that on our social media, which is going
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Speaker 1: to be more and more of a challenge and running
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Speaker 1: out of time to do it. UM. But trying to
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Speaker 1: see some of those things, trying to identify some of
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Speaker 1: the most interesting new products, the weirdest new products. Um,
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Speaker 1: there's always a kind of a collection of both. Um.
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Speaker 1: So that's what I've been doing over the past few days,
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Speaker 1: and like like USA the data, I'm pretty darn tired. Um. Shoot,
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Speaker 1: not only did we go to bed early yesterday, but
15:53
Speaker 1: even came home for like an hour and a half
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Speaker 1: nap in between meetings. So I'm kind of glad that
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Speaker 1: we're winding down here today. But now that you know
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Speaker 1: you've had a full day on the floor, I've had
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Speaker 1: two full days on the floor. I want to walk
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Speaker 1: through some of the products we've seen, some of the
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Speaker 1: interesting new new pieces of gear, or just interesting things
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Speaker 1: we saw in general. So off the top of your head, Dan,
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Speaker 1: what are some of the the things that you saw this
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Speaker 1: year that you were interested in, and let's hear a
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Speaker 1: little little detail about those. The very first product that
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Speaker 1: comes to mind is a new broadhead by an ap
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Speaker 1: and where the blades are fully encased in the housing
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Speaker 1: of the broadhead. So what that means is there there
16:35
Speaker 1: is no blade exposed. So you walk up to it
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Speaker 1: and you look at it and it's a For the
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Speaker 1: most part, it looks like a field point. Um. Then
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Speaker 1: you push in the head and three blades come out. Now,
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Speaker 1: I don't know that the details on you know, I
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Speaker 1: know they have a hundred and one green broad head,
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Speaker 1: but that's the very first product that sticks out, just
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Speaker 1: because it's so unique and the blades are completely in
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Speaker 1: loosed in the in the housing. We've never had the
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Speaker 1: broadhead debate on here, Dan, I don't think. I think
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Speaker 1: we talked about in your podcast recently. Um, but do
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Speaker 1: you typically shoot mechanicals or are you fixed blade guys?
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Speaker 1: Sometimes most of the time, I'm I've been shooting mechanicals
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Speaker 1: just because I feel they fly back. Can't believe, let's
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Speaker 1: start a fight. We were just talking the other day
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Speaker 1: about how broad head choice always seems a light started
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Speaker 1: to start some fights, some serious debates, Um, but but
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Speaker 1: at all serious inness. Yeah, mechanical guy, are you didn't
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Speaker 1: you switch stuff for a little bit? Well? I I
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Speaker 1: switched for only one reason, and that was I switched
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Speaker 1: to some slick trick broadheads this year for our Idaho
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Speaker 1: hunt because certain states don't allow mechanical broadheads to be used,
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Speaker 1: So I switched to slick trick, which is a fixed
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Speaker 1: blade for my elk hunt or our elk hunt that
17:59
Speaker 1: we went and on, and then I, instead of changing
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Speaker 1: tips and residing in my bow, I decided to go
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Speaker 1: ahead and keep my slit tricks on for the white
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Speaker 1: tail season. Yeah, I switched to a fixed blade this
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Speaker 1: year too for the same reason as well. For the
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Speaker 1: last two years, I've been using a fixed blade during
18:17
Speaker 1: my elk hunting seasons, and then after I shot that
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Speaker 1: bowl last year, I felt pretty confident with the Muzzy
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Speaker 1: I was shooting the Muzzy choke car, so I decided
18:25
Speaker 1: to use that for the full season and I ended
18:28
Speaker 1: up having really good, really positive results. I'm happy with
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Speaker 1: how it performed. And the reason why I ended up
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Speaker 1: making the shift for white tails is I'd always had
18:36
Speaker 1: the worry that with my mechanical, I'd have issues of
18:38
Speaker 1: penetration someday or for his shoulder blade, you know, I'd
18:42
Speaker 1: have that doomed outcome of the shoulder blade shot with
18:45
Speaker 1: a mechanical. So that was what I was worried about,
18:47
Speaker 1: and I made the shift, made the switch, and I
18:51
Speaker 1: have killed four deer with my bowl this year, and
18:53
Speaker 1: all four of them died within forty yards where I
18:56
Speaker 1: shot him. I saw all four of them go down,
18:58
Speaker 1: which was pretty incredible, and of them, I did have
19:01
Speaker 1: the shoulder blade shot, the shoulder blade shot, the dreaded
19:04
Speaker 1: shoulder blade shot, and this broadhead and narrow combination shattered
19:10
Speaker 1: the French shoulder and went all the way through to
19:12
Speaker 1: the back shoulder and just just decimated that that cavity
19:15
Speaker 1: inside there. So it did exactly what I was hoping
19:17
Speaker 1: it would do. Um, So I was pretty well convinced
19:20
Speaker 1: that that's what I'm gonna use for for next year
19:22
Speaker 1: at least. But there's definitely a lot of broadhead options.
19:24
Speaker 1: Did you did you see any others in addition to
19:27
Speaker 1: the nap one this year that that stood out that
19:29
Speaker 1: you can remember? And I'm not sure what the name
19:32
Speaker 1: of the company is, but it looks like a normal
19:37
Speaker 1: fixed blade broadhead, but you remove a four blade broadhead.
19:42
Speaker 1: But let's say you take out two of the blades
19:45
Speaker 1: that are right across from each other and you put
19:47
Speaker 1: in a pizza cutter circle. Well, I went and I
19:52
Speaker 1: talked to those guys and I'm just like, tell me
19:54
Speaker 1: about this product. So anyway, they I wish I knew
19:58
Speaker 1: the name, but it looks like a pizza cutter. So
20:01
Speaker 1: the guy tells me if it hits bone that that
20:05
Speaker 1: pizza cutter will roll, and it won't. It won't stop,
20:10
Speaker 1: so it moves because when it hits bone, it moves,
20:14
Speaker 1: and it won't that that kinetic energy just won't come
20:17
Speaker 1: to a stop like a cut will. It will roll
20:20
Speaker 1: around the bone. So who knows. Yeah, I remember seeing
20:25
Speaker 1: that too. That was pretty interesting one. Um, funky design,
20:28
Speaker 1: but if it works, I guess it makes sense. Um,
20:33
Speaker 1: yes you. I saw another another crazy one that had
20:36
Speaker 1: like almost two sets of broadheads that was like, and
20:39
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do a horrible job describing this because I
20:41
Speaker 1: just thought really briefly, but I had a normal kind
20:43
Speaker 1: of a smaller fixed blade broadhead on the front, and
20:47
Speaker 1: then like an inch or two farther behind it has
20:49
Speaker 1: second set of like expandables. I don't know. It was
20:52
Speaker 1: a wild looking thing. Um one broadhead that I do
20:55
Speaker 1: remember that I can describe more accurately. I was looking
20:57
Speaker 1: at the new troll car since that's what I shot
20:59
Speaker 1: the past year. I kind of interested in it. And
21:00
Speaker 1: there's a new switch tro car troke car switch something
21:04
Speaker 1: like that where you're actually able to adjust the blade
21:08
Speaker 1: offset to expand the cutting diameter. So there's a little
21:12
Speaker 1: tiny screw I guess that you loosen and then you
21:15
Speaker 1: there's three different settings, so you can go from like
21:17
Speaker 1: an inch and a eight in cutting diameter up to
21:20
Speaker 1: an inch and a quarter or something on those lines.
21:22
Speaker 1: So that's kind of nice if you want to expand
21:23
Speaker 1: that cutting diameter while still having a fixed blade design. Um, so, shoot,
21:31
Speaker 1: we're doing a pretty bad job. I remember broadheads. What
21:33
Speaker 1: about what about arrows? Did you see anything new on
21:35
Speaker 1: the erroow standpoint? I'll be I'll be honest, I didn't.
21:39
Speaker 1: I didn't get a chance to go check out some
21:41
Speaker 1: arrows this year. I did talk with some guys from
21:44
Speaker 1: gold Tip about some some new arrows, but you know,
21:48
Speaker 1: like I said, it's a sensory overload and some of
21:50
Speaker 1: that information was not absorbed on what specifically was good
21:56
Speaker 1: about their their new product. But um, there's you know,
22:00
Speaker 1: it's just not the Easterns, the gold Tips, the carbon
22:03
Speaker 1: expresses of the world. There are probably fifty arrow manufacturers
22:07
Speaker 1: in this building. He isn't there. I'm trying to think
22:10
Speaker 1: of who I can remark. There's Victory Archery, there's black Eagle,
22:13
Speaker 1: I think, um, the three you mentioned, and then there's
22:19
Speaker 1: some Japanese companies. Yeah, yeah, there's a whole slew. I
22:23
Speaker 1: haven't got to go into detail Carbon Express on anything
22:26
Speaker 1: new they have, but just from passing by their booth
22:28
Speaker 1: really quickly, I don't think they do have anything major new. Um,
22:32
Speaker 1: but I did uh. I did talk to some folks
22:35
Speaker 1: from gold Tip yesterday who who I think you were
22:37
Speaker 1: probably talking to as well. They are releasing their first
22:39
Speaker 1: micro diamonter Era and um, the one kind of interesting
22:43
Speaker 1: thing they mentioned is that they have they have a
22:46
Speaker 1: little tool that comes with their arrows now that when
22:48
Speaker 1: you take the knock off the back of the arrow,
22:50
Speaker 1: you can use this tool too. Well, let me take
22:54
Speaker 1: a step back at the front of the era, where
22:56
Speaker 1: you would screw in where your insert is. It's a
22:58
Speaker 1: two way insert, so there's threads in the front and
23:00
Speaker 1: the threads on the back. So the front, the threads
23:03
Speaker 1: on the front, obviously that's where you screw in your
23:04
Speaker 1: field tip or you're brought in. But the threads on
23:06
Speaker 1: the back are accessible through the inside of the arrow.
23:09
Speaker 1: So you take the knock off the back and you
23:11
Speaker 1: use this little tool to add weight to the backside
23:14
Speaker 1: of the insert, so you can add as much weight
23:17
Speaker 1: as you want to then adjust ford of center on
23:20
Speaker 1: your on your arrow. So if you need a heavier
23:22
Speaker 1: set up, if you're going to go from a white
23:24
Speaker 1: tail to an elk hunt or a mousson or something
23:27
Speaker 1: like that, you can adjust the weight in your arrow
23:29
Speaker 1: to to do that. So that's kind of interesting thing
23:31
Speaker 1: to do. I don't know if I would um be
23:33
Speaker 1: smart enough to do that the right way, but yeah,
23:37
Speaker 1: but it was kind of interesting. Um what about bows.
23:41
Speaker 1: If I'm thinking about new bow stuff I've seen so far,
23:45
Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember here. I know that you know,
23:47
Speaker 1: Bear has got the bows that they announced this fall,
23:49
Speaker 1: although they did just announce a new crossbow, their first
23:52
Speaker 1: crossbow ever, So that sounds pretty cool if if you're
23:54
Speaker 1: into the crossbow thing. Um Matthews announced a new bow
23:59
Speaker 1: they can't with the Halon or hall On um that
24:02
Speaker 1: was his fall they announced it, but they announced a
24:05
Speaker 1: new version of it called the hall On X I
24:07
Speaker 1: think or something just kind of some different variations on that.
24:10
Speaker 1: I saw that um Hoyt has got the new Defiant.
24:15
Speaker 1: I think I think that's the new one I saw
24:18
Speaker 1: um g five I think is releasing a new boat
24:21
Speaker 1: called the Rise or Riser or something like that. Um,
24:26
Speaker 1: I haven't got to shoot any bows. Um. What about
24:29
Speaker 1: I haven't got to do anything from Elite. I don't
24:30
Speaker 1: know if you see if there's a new boat from Elite.
24:33
Speaker 1: Elite has the new UH Impulse, and I believe that
24:37
Speaker 1: is like the two versions of it, UH thirty two
24:40
Speaker 1: and the thirty five. Okay, So that's another thing that
24:44
Speaker 1: we didn't mention is that all the boat companies that
24:46
Speaker 1: are here, most of them along the outer walls of
24:49
Speaker 1: the convention center have got essentially shooting ranger set up
24:53
Speaker 1: where you can come in and shoot all the different bows.
24:55
Speaker 1: So some guys just spend the whole day going from
24:58
Speaker 1: booth to booth shooting every bow, try all of them,
25:00
Speaker 1: trying to get a different feel for for which ones
25:02
Speaker 1: they like. UM. I haven't been able to do that
25:04
Speaker 1: yet this year, but I might try shoot a couple today. UM.
25:07
Speaker 1: But there's no shorts of bows, that's for sure. UM.
25:11
Speaker 1: And new companies coming out all the time too, there's
25:13
Speaker 1: a shoot. The last couple of years has been a
25:15
Speaker 1: few new manufacturers have been getting some buzz like obsession
25:18
Speaker 1: bows new expedition archeries one. Um, are there any other
25:24
Speaker 1: new ones that you remember? War Eagle or something like that.
25:27
Speaker 1: I thought I saw a one called war Eagle. Yeah,
25:30
Speaker 1: so there's a lot going on. Um, I'm thinking here
25:34
Speaker 1: about other types of gear. Um what else did out
25:37
Speaker 1: to you? What another thing that stood out to me?
25:41
Speaker 1: And it's not necessarily negative, but it is kind of funny.
25:45
Speaker 1: Is you're you're walking into a booth and it's a
25:49
Speaker 1: brand new product that is first you know, it's the
25:53
Speaker 1: first time they've ever been to an a t A
25:54
Speaker 1: show And I'm gonna use a camouflage company for example.
25:57
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say the name of it, but
26:02
Speaker 1: I don't know how well it's gonna do. It's one
26:05
Speaker 1: of these things where maybe somebody had some money and
26:09
Speaker 1: somebody loves hunting so much that they're just like, you
26:12
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna come up with a camel pattern
26:14
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be awesome, and it's gonna sell and
26:17
Speaker 1: it's gonna make me a ton of money. Well, I
26:20
Speaker 1: walked into the booth and I'm just the first thing
26:22
Speaker 1: that popped into my head was, Hey, it's moss yoke
26:26
Speaker 1: or that's real tree well it's not. It looks really
26:30
Speaker 1: similar to it, but it's but it's not. And you know,
26:33
Speaker 1: I went in, I talked to the guys for a
26:34
Speaker 1: little bit. They're just like, yeah, this camel pattern and
26:36
Speaker 1: they got their hype team with them there, Yes, men
26:38
Speaker 1: with them, and oh this is so this camel pattern
26:41
Speaker 1: so good. It works for me, it works for everything,
26:43
Speaker 1: and it's just like m M, good luck. Yeah. I
26:49
Speaker 1: think especially came o, it's such an established marketplace, you know,
26:53
Speaker 1: like I feel there's a couple of big players everybody knows.
26:56
Speaker 1: And then it seems like you need to have a
27:00
Speaker 1: major um clothing manufacturer to be behind a camo for
27:07
Speaker 1: it to catch a steam. You know, whence uh Sick
27:10
Speaker 1: came out with her opt to fade pattern for their gear,
27:12
Speaker 1: or first Light came out with a camouflage for their gear,
27:15
Speaker 1: or under Arment now has their own unique cameo. UM
27:18
Speaker 1: that can work, it seems like, but I gotta believe
27:20
Speaker 1: it'd be tough to just make your own pattern and
27:23
Speaker 1: try to start from from zero. UM. That's a tough
27:26
Speaker 1: that's a tough sell. There's a lot of companies like
27:28
Speaker 1: that though, where you see him come in here and
27:31
Speaker 1: and gosh, you're happy for him. It's exciting. They're they're trying,
27:34
Speaker 1: but there's some steep, uphill battles for a lot of companies.
27:38
Speaker 1: With these mega corporations now that own so many these
27:41
Speaker 1: brands and throw so many dollars behind development and marketing,
27:44
Speaker 1: it's probably getting tougher and tougher for upstarts, do you think, Yeah,
27:47
Speaker 1: And I'll give you one example. My good friend Jesse
27:50
Speaker 1: Hurley of Sticking Pick. I talked to him and he's
27:54
Speaker 1: been in the sticking pick. And for those of you
27:57
Speaker 1: who don't know what a sticking pick is, long story short,
27:59
Speaker 1: it's a trail camera accessory you can screw into a
28:01
Speaker 1: tree or you can It's like a little mini stick
28:05
Speaker 1: and you can pick it, stick it right into the
28:08
Speaker 1: ground and put your choil camera on it. You don't
28:10
Speaker 1: need a tree. I talked to him, and this is
28:12
Speaker 1: one of the first years that they've not really been recognized,
28:17
Speaker 1: but one of the very first years that they've got.
28:20
Speaker 1: They're in the black. You know, they made more money
28:23
Speaker 1: than they spent and that took three or four years
28:27
Speaker 1: for them. So just imagine what kind of struggle these
28:30
Speaker 1: smaller companies have to go through in order to get
28:33
Speaker 1: to to you know, to start making money when they're
28:37
Speaker 1: doing it by themselves. Yeah. One of the good things
28:40
Speaker 1: I guess these days is I think the Internet does
28:42
Speaker 1: make it easier for a new company to have a
28:45
Speaker 1: platform and get their message out there, probably then before,
28:47
Speaker 1: because when there used to be gatekeepers and the formers
28:50
Speaker 1: to retailer, you know, if you couldn't get into Cabella's
28:52
Speaker 1: or whatever, you might not get hurt at all. We're
28:55
Speaker 1: seeing it all Now there's direct consumer sales. Probably opens
28:57
Speaker 1: the door for new, smaller companies. So that's nice. Um
29:01
Speaker 1: going back to old speaking of small companies or new
29:04
Speaker 1: kind of companies that kind of popped up on the scene.
29:06
Speaker 1: I think one way that a new company can get
29:10
Speaker 1: attention and get a great start as if their product
29:12
Speaker 1: is just so different, um, so innovative that it just
29:15
Speaker 1: captures people's attention. There's nothing else out there. Um. There
29:18
Speaker 1: was one UM product that I saw recently that's kind
29:21
Speaker 1: of interesting. It's called Serious and it's a new wind indicator,
29:26
Speaker 1: and it essentially it's a battery powered vaporizer that creates
29:31
Speaker 1: some type of I really don't even know how it
29:34
Speaker 1: creates his favor but essentially looks like steam that comes
29:36
Speaker 1: out of this little, tiny, like lighter looking thing, and
29:39
Speaker 1: it provides such a very thin light ah smoke that
29:44
Speaker 1: you're able to get a very long lasting, consistent wind
29:47
Speaker 1: indication on it. So I saw that as kind of neat. Um.
29:50
Speaker 1: You know, being able to track your wind is an
29:52
Speaker 1: important thing. And the powders work okay, and the little
29:55
Speaker 1: cotton puffs work okay. Um, but this one looked pretty
29:58
Speaker 1: pretty nice. I don't just see that one, did I
30:00
Speaker 1: haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but
30:03
Speaker 1: you know it maybe I don't know how big it is.
30:05
Speaker 1: Was it like the size of a lighter. Well, it's
30:08
Speaker 1: just it's like like I said to you earlier or
30:12
Speaker 1: on one of our last podcast, this is my first
30:14
Speaker 1: year in like eight years. I didn't bring a camera
30:16
Speaker 1: into the tree with me, but I bring my os ONYX,
30:20
Speaker 1: and I bring my you know, I bring all this
30:23
Speaker 1: other gear with me. And it's just like, I don't
30:25
Speaker 1: think I think I'm gonna have to start going to
30:27
Speaker 1: a bigger backpack just to carry all this gear that
30:31
Speaker 1: is going to help me better. I guess, yeah, there's
30:34
Speaker 1: no short there's just stuff we can bring in the
30:36
Speaker 1: true of this, that's for sure. Um Oh, speaking of
30:41
Speaker 1: other gear, let's keep on running down some of the
30:43
Speaker 1: things we saw. Um, Muddy Outdoors has got trail cameras now,
30:48
Speaker 1: and you see that they I guess supposedly. This is
30:51
Speaker 1: as I understand it, Muddy and Big Game Tree Stands
30:54
Speaker 1: are now the same company, were owned by the same company,
30:56
Speaker 1: and so Icon Trail Cameras were the trail camera brand
31:01
Speaker 1: under Big Game. Now they're rebranding it as Muddy Trail
31:04
Speaker 1: Cameras and updating things and changing things, making it smaller
31:07
Speaker 1: and you know, better technology supposed but so that's a
31:09
Speaker 1: new thing with trail cams um And on the trail
31:12
Speaker 1: camera front, also, Moultrie had a big announcement. Ultrie launched
31:16
Speaker 1: their multre mobile set up and this was kind of
31:19
Speaker 1: cool and that they aren't launching a specific wireless trail camera. Instead,
31:23
Speaker 1: they're just releasing a modem that you attached to a camera.
31:27
Speaker 1: But it's um It works with almost all of their
31:31
Speaker 1: trail cameras in two thousand sixteen and two thousand fifteen,
31:34
Speaker 1: so even last year's cameras, almost all these will work
31:37
Speaker 1: with this modem. So all you need to do is
31:39
Speaker 1: get one modem or as many as you want, and
31:41
Speaker 1: then you can go attach that to any of your
31:43
Speaker 1: old trail cameras they bought last year or one of
31:45
Speaker 1: the other various models this year to make that one
31:48
Speaker 1: wireless for however long you need it to be. So
31:50
Speaker 1: instead of buying a six five wireless camera and you've
31:53
Speaker 1: got that one, you know, this might be able to
31:56
Speaker 1: give you some flexibility to Okay, I need the wireless
31:58
Speaker 1: one here, but I want to use such of such
32:00
Speaker 1: camera there, and a little more flexibility, maybe you can
32:02
Speaker 1: more affordably get a couple of them. So that was interesting.
32:05
Speaker 1: They've got a pretty nice mobile app that I saw
32:08
Speaker 1: um when they announced it that um, you know, I
32:11
Speaker 1: think all the wireless traild cameras are trying to do
32:14
Speaker 1: a better job of the delivery through you know, through
32:16
Speaker 1: mobile and email and everything, and it seemed like this
32:19
Speaker 1: one and Bushmell's that I've seen seemed pretty slick to um.
32:22
Speaker 1: But I like the I like the interface the Moultrie's
32:24
Speaker 1: app seemed to have. But I've yet to actually use
32:27
Speaker 1: one of the wireless traild cameras, so I need to
32:30
Speaker 1: just probably try to get my hands on one and
32:33
Speaker 1: get some experience with it, because there's definitely some obvious
32:35
Speaker 1: benefits to it would be neat especially when I hunt
32:38
Speaker 1: some of these states that are hours and hours and
32:40
Speaker 1: hours away from home. It would be nice to be
32:41
Speaker 1: able to check those cameras without needing to make the
32:43
Speaker 1: seven hour drive, you know. Yeah, I tell you what
32:47
Speaker 1: great idea. And if I if I had great service
32:52
Speaker 1: to where I could get a cell phone signal, you know,
32:55
Speaker 1: to send these trailer camera pictures back to me, that'd
32:58
Speaker 1: be awesome. But where I do a majority of my hunting,
33:02
Speaker 1: I don't get cell phone service because I'm down in
33:04
Speaker 1: the bottom, or I'm on the back side of a
33:06
Speaker 1: big ridge, or just completely out in the country where
33:10
Speaker 1: there is no cell phone service. For me, I've tried it,
33:13
Speaker 1: and for me, it's just something that you can't replace
33:16
Speaker 1: driving out there and go and checking them yourself. Yeah,
33:19
Speaker 1: the cell phone service is definitely an issue. If you
33:22
Speaker 1: don't have that, you're kind of sl um. So looking
33:26
Speaker 1: through my little stack of brochures here, that's kind of
33:28
Speaker 1: triggering my memory. Another big new announcement this year is
33:31
Speaker 1: from Osonics, who we talked about a lot um this year.
33:35
Speaker 1: For the first time, I guess ever, they have a
33:38
Speaker 1: brand new product to their line, the HR, so it's
33:42
Speaker 1: an it's an update on their current ozonics machine. UM.
33:46
Speaker 1: From what I understand, it delivers something like forty more
33:50
Speaker 1: ozone admitted, so you can get even a better chance
33:53
Speaker 1: of that blanketing your scent and converting those molecules. UM.
33:57
Speaker 1: It's got some different um power mode. So I don't
34:00
Speaker 1: know if you saw, if you have to talk to
34:01
Speaker 1: him damn, but kind of automatically will adjust the output
34:05
Speaker 1: based on conditions and battery life and everything like that.
34:08
Speaker 1: Sounds like an updated battery, better battery life, things like that. UM,
34:13
Speaker 1: So it's like a neat device. Also, they've added a
34:17
Speaker 1: dry bag or dry washbag I think they're calling it.
34:20
Speaker 1: So essentially it's a it's a cloth closet for you
34:23
Speaker 1: to hang all your hunting clothes in and put your
34:26
Speaker 1: boots and your backpack in, and then your ozonics machine
34:29
Speaker 1: inserts into this bag UM and then circulates ozone for
34:35
Speaker 1: certain periods of time ten minute intervals I think has said.
34:38
Speaker 1: It circulates ozone through all of your clothes and your gear,
34:40
Speaker 1: so that essentially ozone washes it again, destroying some of
34:44
Speaker 1: that human scent. Um before you head out into the woods.
34:47
Speaker 1: So that was cool. And then they also have a
34:48
Speaker 1: backpack option where you can attach the ozonics machine in
34:51
Speaker 1: a certain position to emit ozone as you walk in
34:54
Speaker 1: and out of your stand again to try to help
34:56
Speaker 1: control some of that odor as you access an exit.
34:59
Speaker 1: So I thought that was pretty cool. I'm hoping to
35:02
Speaker 1: try out the dry washbag pretty soon. I like that.
35:04
Speaker 1: I do you do? Yeah, I'm definitely a believer ozone
35:11
Speaker 1: UM and the dry washbag definitely hang your clothes in there,
35:15
Speaker 1: circulate your ozone, you know, get rid of all that scent.
35:19
Speaker 1: Tell you what I've been doing, is they they like
35:22
Speaker 1: you mentioned, they have that new pack that you can
35:25
Speaker 1: you can take it off. You can wear it as
35:26
Speaker 1: a Fannie pack, or you can wear it as a
35:28
Speaker 1: full setup uh. And you put your your osonics in
35:32
Speaker 1: there and there's like a mesh lining and it allows
35:35
Speaker 1: the ozone to escape, so while you're walking to your
35:37
Speaker 1: stand you can have ozone coverage. I've been doing that
35:41
Speaker 1: with my regular pack. I just set my ozone, my
35:44
Speaker 1: ozonics on top, and I keep the top of my
35:47
Speaker 1: pack open and that's that for me, has seemed to
35:49
Speaker 1: work so it's gonna be hard unless they come out
35:53
Speaker 1: with a complete pack so that you have to wear
35:57
Speaker 1: your pack and their pack and order two to make
36:00
Speaker 1: it work. But you know, just like all we make
36:03
Speaker 1: things work as bow Hunter, So you know, once we
36:05
Speaker 1: get some of these our hands on some of these products,
36:08
Speaker 1: we can kind of find the best way to do things. Yeah.
36:11
Speaker 1: Speak speaking of scent controllers, a couple of other companies
36:13
Speaker 1: that have updates to their scent sprays. Um Hunter Specialties
36:18
Speaker 1: came out with a brand new addition to their scent
36:22
Speaker 1: away lines called their Biostrike Assault formula. Pretty older salt formula,
36:27
Speaker 1: quite tactical. Um there's looks like it's built off of
36:31
Speaker 1: like the silver technology, which supposed we can help eliminate
36:35
Speaker 1: some scent. I know, Code Blue announced a new scent
36:39
Speaker 1: elimination brand and technology called I think Decode, and that's
36:43
Speaker 1: based on silver technology as well. Um those are the
36:46
Speaker 1: two I saw in additional zonics that came to to scent.
36:49
Speaker 1: I don't think nose gam Or had anything new this year.
36:51
Speaker 1: Did that? Did you see that? I did not? Yeah,
36:53
Speaker 1: So so that's the sense side of things. UM. I
36:57
Speaker 1: did see one one company that was had a m
37:02
Speaker 1: a system kind of like what Hunter Specially came out
37:06
Speaker 1: with called Slayer Scent. Just another small company. Um, I
37:11
Speaker 1: tried to have a conversation with the guy, but he
37:13
Speaker 1: didn't seem like he wanted to talk to me. That
37:16
Speaker 1: happened a lot in your life, damn every day. That's
37:21
Speaker 1: you know, that's funny. When I first started coming and
37:23
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I guess it's understandable, and these
37:26
Speaker 1: guys have a million different people trying to talk to him.
37:28
Speaker 1: But you definitely do get the people who you walk
37:32
Speaker 1: up to and then you see their eyes dart down
37:34
Speaker 1: to your badge and trying to say is this person
37:36
Speaker 1: important enough for me to talk to or not this
37:38
Speaker 1: guy gonna make me money? Yeah? Yeah, and usually look
37:41
Speaker 1: down to mine and then blow me off. So it
37:44
Speaker 1: is what it is. Um. Other interesting new gears we
37:47
Speaker 1: keep on going down the line. Ryan Hart, who has
37:50
Speaker 1: always made three D targets, for the first time is
37:53
Speaker 1: making decoys. Um, this was kind of interesting. They're kind
37:56
Speaker 1: of a a two D three D hybrid, so you know,
38:00
Speaker 1: is the typical full three D decoy like your boss
38:02
Speaker 1: box or something, and then there's the two D models
38:05
Speaker 1: like Montana decoy, which are just like the thin um
38:09
Speaker 1: foldable silhouette type style decoy. This is kind of in
38:12
Speaker 1: between her. It's not the full thick three D it's
38:15
Speaker 1: like two inches thick um, so it gives it a
38:18
Speaker 1: little more body appearance, I guess, a little bit. But
38:20
Speaker 1: it's small enough and thin enough that you can break
38:22
Speaker 1: it apart and pack it a little more easily than
38:24
Speaker 1: the great big three D models. Um. That's my only
38:27
Speaker 1: complaint with my decoy that I have is just it's
38:29
Speaker 1: so big and bulky, and anytime any plastic is plastic,
38:32
Speaker 1: it just echoes, makes a lot of noise. So this
38:35
Speaker 1: might be helpful from that standpoint. And what it has,
38:37
Speaker 1: like I said, it's it's uh, several pieces thicker than
38:41
Speaker 1: just a silhouette, but still pretty thin. Stakes in the ground,
38:44
Speaker 1: and then it has swivels on the neck and head
38:48
Speaker 1: and maybe the back hips that will allow it to
38:51
Speaker 1: move a little bit in the wind. The whole neck,
38:53
Speaker 1: head and ear sections, so like a hinge on a door. Yeah,
38:57
Speaker 1: that that's a good way to describe it. So that
38:59
Speaker 1: looks kind of cool. Um, did you did you see that?
39:03
Speaker 1: In Yes, I did. I was hoping I was hoping
39:10
Speaker 1: you'd have more on it. We'll roll with uh. De
39:16
Speaker 1: other another news, Redneck Blinds did have some updates. I saw, Um,
39:21
Speaker 1: they've got a new soft side blinds available. So right
39:24
Speaker 1: now they had that hay bail blinds and the hard
39:26
Speaker 1: hard sided fiberglass box blinds. But now they've got like
39:30
Speaker 1: a soft sided cloth blind option that you can either
39:32
Speaker 1: mount elevating in the stand or have on the ground.
39:35
Speaker 1: Still the metal frame and kind of heavy duty materials,
39:38
Speaker 1: but that was pretty nice. And that was a lot
39:40
Speaker 1: more affordable. Um where their fiberglass box blinds are. You know,
39:44
Speaker 1: it's an investment. This was more like the I think
39:47
Speaker 1: four or something, So that's much more you know, reasonable.
39:50
Speaker 1: I guess if you're trying to outfit it, property and
39:53
Speaker 1: budget is an issue. Um. So that's something I saw. Uh.
39:57
Speaker 1: There's a million different companies making try act ins and
40:01
Speaker 1: supplements and all that. You know. Big and J has
40:03
Speaker 1: some new things, Analogics has some new things, Primos has
40:07
Speaker 1: some new attractants, Wild Game Innovations has got something new
40:11
Speaker 1: every day. Um Moultrie has got something called pecan pie
40:16
Speaker 1: that sounded kind of tasty. I don't know what about
40:20
Speaker 1: you when you see yeah, and that's uh, one company
40:23
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in because this analogic company that I'm
40:27
Speaker 1: interested in actually doing the interview when I interview them,
40:31
Speaker 1: is seeing some of the science behind behind some of
40:35
Speaker 1: these mineral companies and um, what they can do to
40:38
Speaker 1: benefit the health of of the deer, not just claim
40:43
Speaker 1: antler growth, but make your herd stronger, your herd health stronger. Yeah, definitely,
40:50
Speaker 1: there's there's Yeah. I always kind of bounced back and
40:54
Speaker 1: forth on how much a supplemental feed like that can help.
40:57
Speaker 1: I think in order for it to be a a
41:00
Speaker 1: noticeable make a noticeable difference, you have to be, you know,
41:02
Speaker 1: providing it in pretty large quantities that make it tough
41:05
Speaker 1: for for maybe the average guy or girl to afford.
41:07
Speaker 1: But if you can, I mean, it would be interesting
41:10
Speaker 1: to hear more about what they're doing and see how
41:12
Speaker 1: how beneficial it can be. Um. To date, I've I've
41:15
Speaker 1: always just used things is it an attractive for my
41:17
Speaker 1: trail cameras, But shoot, if it can help your your
41:20
Speaker 1: dear herd too, that's that's a good thing. Um. Speaking
41:23
Speaker 1: of antlers, you just mentioned antlers are triggered another memory
41:26
Speaker 1: for me. There's a new piece of gear from Wild
41:29
Speaker 1: Wild Game Innovations. I think it's called the trophy tape.
41:33
Speaker 1: Did you see that one? It's it's doesn't look like
41:35
Speaker 1: you did, and you've got a confused look on your face.
41:37
Speaker 1: Now I've seen it, but it's not from Wild Game Innovations.
41:41
Speaker 1: I don't know real helpful. Essentially, what it is is
41:46
Speaker 1: it's it's adhesive tape. So it's a tape measure um
41:51
Speaker 1: that allows you to just tape the edges all the
41:54
Speaker 1: times the main beams the circumference of all the of
41:58
Speaker 1: all the of of your antlers to get the scores
42:01
Speaker 1: that you need, the numbers you need to score your deer. Well,
42:03
Speaker 1: now you can do this without needing a calculator. You
42:05
Speaker 1: just lay each piece of tape on the tyn or
42:08
Speaker 1: on the main being wherever it is, and then you
42:09
Speaker 1: know it marks that that amount of of inches and
42:14
Speaker 1: then you can just right there easily see your score. So,
42:17
Speaker 1: if you're a guy or girl that doesn't like using
42:19
Speaker 1: your own tape measure moving all around taping it, adding
42:22
Speaker 1: everything together, this seemed like a slightly easier way to
42:25
Speaker 1: do it, although it looks like, you know, there's only
42:27
Speaker 1: so many times you could use it because it's adhesive,
42:31
Speaker 1: and I don't think you could re use it. I
42:32
Speaker 1: think I said there's six of tape, so if you
42:35
Speaker 1: live in Michigan, that might get you six deer if
42:37
Speaker 1: you live if you live in Iowa might get you
42:39
Speaker 1: two and a half. So that that product not important
42:43
Speaker 1: to me right now because I have to worry about
42:46
Speaker 1: killing it dear first, that's true. We need dan well,
42:50
Speaker 1: you can weigh your dear you get you've got some
42:52
Speaker 1: does so we can get a trophy trophy weight. I
42:56
Speaker 1: guess I didn't see that product you. Um, I'm trying
43:00
Speaker 1: to think here what else stood out to me? Like
43:02
Speaker 1: you said, there's there's all the camell gear companies new
43:04
Speaker 1: stuff on those fronts. I didn't see a whole lot
43:06
Speaker 1: of new on the clothing standpoint. Um as I think
43:11
Speaker 1: through Sika has got a few new things, but no major,
43:15
Speaker 1: no major new updates this year since last year was
43:17
Speaker 1: the huge white Tail relaunched. They've got a new fanatic
43:20
Speaker 1: light bibbs to go along with their jacket and a
43:23
Speaker 1: new fanatic like vest um so that if you need
43:27
Speaker 1: something for slightly more moderate climates. Um, that's a good option.
43:31
Speaker 1: Um Oh tree stands you see anything new on the
43:35
Speaker 1: tree stand front. I can, and I remember seeing Muddy
43:37
Speaker 1: Head a new tree stand um with like the the
43:40
Speaker 1: kind of hammock style type seat, the cloth seat, not
43:43
Speaker 1: a big cushion seat, but the kind of sling seat
43:45
Speaker 1: that's um like a price points to be a little
43:48
Speaker 1: more affordable. Oh, I remember something this. Did you see
43:51
Speaker 1: the vine tree stands from Summit So Summer brand tree
43:55
Speaker 1: Stands has launched a whole new line that they're branding
43:58
Speaker 1: as the Vine Tree Dance, And essentially what they're trying
44:01
Speaker 1: to do is remove all straight lines from their ladders,
44:04
Speaker 1: from their sticks, from the tree stands so that it
44:06
Speaker 1: looks like a vine on the tree. So the ladder
44:08
Speaker 1: stand instead of having your typical straight you know what
44:11
Speaker 1: a ladder looks like. It kind of looks like, I
44:15
Speaker 1: don't even how to describe other than I guess kind
44:17
Speaker 1: of like a vine. There's all your different spots where
44:19
Speaker 1: you can put your feet, but it's curly and winding
44:22
Speaker 1: and meandering and really strange looking, so that when you're
44:25
Speaker 1: walking through the tree, you're walking through the woods. Other
44:28
Speaker 1: hunters aren't going to be able to see your tree stand,
44:30
Speaker 1: and hopefully deer won't know so straight strange edges either,
44:34
Speaker 1: so kind of a cool different way to go about it. UM.
44:38
Speaker 1: I saw that was kind of interested. Another thing I saw,
44:40
Speaker 1: speaking of Summit, somebody I was talking to had shared
44:43
Speaker 1: a couple of these things with me that I never knew,
44:45
Speaker 1: and I don't I don't know if this is new
44:46
Speaker 1: or this has just been with Summit tree stands forever
44:48
Speaker 1: and I just never knew. Um, But they have this
44:51
Speaker 1: I guess proprietary technology on their seats, their cushioned seats
44:56
Speaker 1: that's essentially the same stuff that CrOx uses for their shoes.
45:00
Speaker 1: I I'm not afraid to admit that I love Crocs.
45:04
Speaker 1: They're really comfortable. UM. So they've got these seats that
45:08
Speaker 1: essentially feel like you're sitting on the same material as Crocs,
45:11
Speaker 1: but it it doesn't absorb moisture, so we'll never be wet,
45:15
Speaker 1: and squirrels and other rodents don't show it. So that
45:19
Speaker 1: seems like a really cool thing, given those are major issues.
45:23
Speaker 1: I hate having a wet seat when I get to
45:24
Speaker 1: my tree stand, and I hate having it all chewed
45:26
Speaker 1: the heck up by squirrel. So that's I've never tried
45:29
Speaker 1: some of tree stands personally, but that kind of was
45:31
Speaker 1: intriguing to me. So yeah, from the tree stand side
45:34
Speaker 1: of things, I had a good conversation with one of
45:37
Speaker 1: the guys who works for XOP and if you're not
45:40
Speaker 1: familiar with extreme outdoor products, they are, See how do
45:45
Speaker 1: I put this? They used to have they they made
45:48
Speaker 1: the original lone Wolf, they sold lone Wolf. Now they
45:51
Speaker 1: came out with another tree stand that has all the
45:56
Speaker 1: upgrades that one would want to a lone Wolf. So like, uh,
46:02
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're lone will stick or
46:05
Speaker 1: any stick for that matter, is at an angle. If
46:08
Speaker 1: it's wet or if there's snow on it, your boot
46:10
Speaker 1: can kind of slip off because it's a straight line.
46:13
Speaker 1: Well on their stick they have it's that that step
46:18
Speaker 1: has been not only lengthened, but there's been a curve
46:22
Speaker 1: designed into that, so your boot rests right in the
46:25
Speaker 1: center of it. There um that V that V bracket
46:30
Speaker 1: on the back of this stick has been um like
46:34
Speaker 1: the angle has been shortened, which removes it further from
46:37
Speaker 1: the tree, meaning you can get your boot further onto
46:41
Speaker 1: the step. And they have a locking mechanism on their sticks,
46:46
Speaker 1: so when they stack their sticks, you don't need a
46:48
Speaker 1: strap you can when you shut down the actual step.
46:52
Speaker 1: On the back side of the stick, there's a bracket
46:54
Speaker 1: that clips onto the next stick below it, allowing it
46:58
Speaker 1: to stack up without mean to use straps. So I
47:01
Speaker 1: thought that was pretty interesting. Nice. Yeah, I've been intrigued
47:04
Speaker 1: by the XOP products. I've yet to try them, but
47:06
Speaker 1: a couple of my buddies in Iowa that I hunt near,
47:09
Speaker 1: they did, and they seem to like him a lot.
47:11
Speaker 1: Um And I think they're a little bit less expensive
47:14
Speaker 1: than Lone Wolf, right, I think like twenty or thirty bucks. Yeah,
47:17
Speaker 1: the only thing I that I one of the reasons
47:20
Speaker 1: I bought a new tree stand this year. Um And
47:22
Speaker 1: I was between and gettingn XOP or Lone Wolf, and
47:24
Speaker 1: I ended up going with the Lone Wolf because they've
47:27
Speaker 1: got the smaller version of their hang on stand, the
47:29
Speaker 1: assault version. That's that I really like. So Lone Wolf
47:32
Speaker 1: has got their two main hang on versions. Um And
47:34
Speaker 1: I really like that small one, and XLP doesn't seem
47:37
Speaker 1: to have one that same size. They kind of have
47:39
Speaker 1: the standard size. UM. I like the smaller stand, the smaller,
47:44
Speaker 1: the lighter weight. It's you know, it's only like eleven pounds.
47:46
Speaker 1: Or ten pounds of so many ounces. So because I'm
47:50
Speaker 1: you know, like you running and gunning a lot these days, now,
47:52
Speaker 1: that was something that I ended up going with. But
47:55
Speaker 1: XP is definitely intriguing. Um, I don't know, have you
47:58
Speaker 1: seen that? Yeah, I'll tell you what. There's another company
48:00
Speaker 1: out there, and I God, I wish I knew the name.
48:02
Speaker 1: I have their business card in my in my pack
48:05
Speaker 1: over there. But it's a stick. It's a stack of
48:09
Speaker 1: sticks and I don't think there's a tree stand with
48:12
Speaker 1: them yet, but it's just sticks. So what you do
48:15
Speaker 1: is you, um, the actual bracket that attaches to the
48:19
Speaker 1: tree folds up, makes for easy stacking. But you put
48:24
Speaker 1: the stick on the tree, you tighten the top one
48:27
Speaker 1: and then you pull the bottom of the stick out
48:30
Speaker 1: and then you drop the bracket against the tree and
48:34
Speaker 1: it prevents the the stick from sliding down once when
48:39
Speaker 1: you step on it. So you know, like on the
48:41
Speaker 1: Lone Wolf sticks or or the Muddy sticks or any
48:44
Speaker 1: other real stick you put on the tree, you step
48:46
Speaker 1: on it and there's that first couple inches for it
48:48
Speaker 1: to settle. That doesn't happen with this stick. So that's
48:52
Speaker 1: kind of I would love to get my hands on
48:54
Speaker 1: one of those and try to test it out. Yeah,
48:57
Speaker 1: have you ever had with any of these climbing sticks
48:59
Speaker 1: where the where if you step on the bottom rung
49:03
Speaker 1: and you I think both on Muddy and Lone Wolf,
49:06
Speaker 1: and I think most of the other climbing sticks I've
49:07
Speaker 1: seem they attached to the tree by up at a
49:10
Speaker 1: up at a strap or something at the top third
49:12
Speaker 1: of the stick. So if you step on the bottom
49:14
Speaker 1: rung sometimes that will swing out. Have you ever had
49:17
Speaker 1: that happen? Yes, that that happens quite a bit actually,
49:19
Speaker 1: especially on crooked trees. Yeah. So if there's some way
49:23
Speaker 1: that a company could fix that problem, that would be nice,
49:26
Speaker 1: because I've had a couple of little, slightly scary situations
49:28
Speaker 1: where if you step on it a weird angle and
49:31
Speaker 1: push out, and if it's not really firmly settled in,
49:34
Speaker 1: that stick will just swing off. And then once any
49:36
Speaker 1: part of that stick comes off the tree, then it
49:38
Speaker 1: loses all that tension that's holding the whole thing steady. Um,
49:41
Speaker 1: and then it gets a little sketchy. Yeah, and it
49:44
Speaker 1: makes noise. But back to that, back to that plat
49:46
Speaker 1: or that stick that I just talked about. The other
49:50
Speaker 1: cool feature about it is there's no metal on metal contact,
49:53
Speaker 1: so parts of it are plastic and parts of it
49:55
Speaker 1: are are hard plastic, parts of it are metal, so
49:59
Speaker 1: there's no clinking and lining when you're taking him off
50:01
Speaker 1: your stand. That's huge, That's huge. I wish more, you know,
50:06
Speaker 1: that's something I wish more tree stand companies would focus on,
50:09
Speaker 1: is making those parts quiet, Like how can we can't
50:15
Speaker 1: get a tree stand that has some type of rubberized
50:20
Speaker 1: coating over some of the different edges or something. I
50:23
Speaker 1: don't I haven't seen anything that does a really good
50:24
Speaker 1: job of avoiding those clanks. And that's one thing that
50:28
Speaker 1: I saw a d I y guy, he owned a
50:31
Speaker 1: truck bedlining company, like those spray on rubberized I think
50:36
Speaker 1: he dipped his tree stand in that. I thought that
50:38
Speaker 1: was one of the greatest ideas ever. And and you know,
50:42
Speaker 1: I know that would be a huge um task for
50:47
Speaker 1: any tree stand company to try to do that to
50:50
Speaker 1: their company or to their tree stand like dip or
50:53
Speaker 1: some kind of soft coding for that. But it would
50:57
Speaker 1: it reduced all his noise, he said, And it would
51:00
Speaker 1: take some time and energy, and you know, obviously that
51:02
Speaker 1: step would increase the price of um of the tree stands.
51:06
Speaker 1: But man, if somebody came out with something like that,
51:09
Speaker 1: that would be amazing. Well talking about like small companies
51:12
Speaker 1: that are trying to get noticed in this industry. If
51:14
Speaker 1: one of you guys or girls can come up with
51:16
Speaker 1: that technology and bring that to the A T A
51:18
Speaker 1: Show next next year, I promise we will get you
51:20
Speaker 1: a lot of attention because that would get me really excited.
51:23
Speaker 1: I'd be I'd be pretty pumped about that. So I think, Dan,
51:28
Speaker 1: we are going to have to shut this down because
51:30
Speaker 1: we need to get going to the show quick. Is
51:32
Speaker 1: there anything else that you think is worth noting? Any
51:34
Speaker 1: the other products that we haven't talked that really stood
51:36
Speaker 1: out or have we covered them? No. A majority of
51:40
Speaker 1: these companies go to local your state classics as well,
51:45
Speaker 1: so especially if they're close. So look for you know,
51:51
Speaker 1: if you go to the A T A, if you
51:53
Speaker 1: go to the A T A webshop website and look
51:56
Speaker 1: at the floor plan and look and see who is
51:59
Speaker 1: at this show, and or if it's a company that
52:02
Speaker 1: you're loyal to and you followed over the years, or
52:05
Speaker 1: you've seen some new product um or company that you've
52:09
Speaker 1: noticed through advertising or marketing and you want to find
52:12
Speaker 1: out more about them and where they're gonna be. Visit
52:14
Speaker 1: their websites, and I'm pretty sure they'll tell you what
52:17
Speaker 1: trade shows they're gonna go to so you can get
52:19
Speaker 1: your hands on the product. I know that for me,
52:21
Speaker 1: and I know I think for you as well. Before
52:24
Speaker 1: we make purchases, we want to touch, feel, and hold
52:27
Speaker 1: these products in our hands, and going to your local
52:31
Speaker 1: Deer Classic or any any other trade shows that these
52:34
Speaker 1: companies might go to could be beneficial for you. Yeah,
52:37
Speaker 1: it's just fun. Usually those shows are usually like February
52:40
Speaker 1: or Marks or January. I guess when you're you know,
52:44
Speaker 1: fresh off of deer hunting season, but already looking forward
52:46
Speaker 1: to the next one. So that's a good way to
52:47
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a deer hunting fixed. So
52:49
Speaker 1: I know, uh, hopefully I'll be able to make the
52:51
Speaker 1: Ohio Dear Classic. And I've always want to go to
52:53
Speaker 1: the Aisle One. I've never been, but I've heard it's
52:55
Speaker 1: pretty cool. So I think with that we will wrap
53:00
Speaker 1: up this quick a t A update show. I hope
53:03
Speaker 1: it was kind of interesting for you guys to little
53:05
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a sneak peek into what
53:07
Speaker 1: goes on at this great, big show, interesting stuff, and
53:11
Speaker 1: we've got one more day here. We'll try to cover
53:13
Speaker 1: some stuff on social media, which I'm sure by the
53:15
Speaker 1: time you listen to this you might have already seen.
53:17
Speaker 1: So with that said, we will not beat around the bush.
53:20
Speaker 1: We'll just shut it all down. We do want to
53:22
Speaker 1: thank our partners though, who have helped make the wire
53:24
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53:28
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53:32
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53:36
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53:39
Speaker 1: and letting them know that you enjoy the show. That's
53:41
Speaker 1: a huge help. So most important, thank you all. Finally
53:45
Speaker 1: for joining us. Uh, we appreciate it. It's the star
53:48
Speaker 1: of a new year, so we're excited for two thousand
53:49
Speaker 1: and sixteen. We hope you are too, and we hope
53:52
Speaker 1: that you'll stay wired to Hunt.