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Come Back To Love June 25, 2026 Guest Lisa Callahan · Come Back to Love:

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Speaker 1: Welcome to come Back to Love with your host, Robin Vogel.
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Speaker 1: Each week at this same time, come Back to Love
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Speaker 1: covers an endless array of topics related to relationships, love
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Speaker 1: and intimacy, along with all the reasons you may be
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Speaker 1: keeping love at a distance. Can a shattered heart be
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Speaker 1: your doorway to your greatest love story? Robin will give
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Speaker 1: you practical tools that can be used to heal the
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Speaker 1: past and help you to safely love again. And now
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Speaker 1: Today's come back to Love.
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Speaker 2: In a world where people are feeling disconnected, uncertain, and
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Speaker 2: overwhelmed these days, there has never been a more important
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Speaker 2: time to come back to love. I'm Robin Vogel, psychotherapist,
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Speaker 2: relationship expert, love and intimacy coach, and the author of
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Speaker 2: come Back to Love, a Path to Healing. For over
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Speaker 2: twenty years, I've been sitting with people in their most tender,
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Speaker 2: courageous moments, the heartbreaks, the longing, the walls they built
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Speaker 2: around their hearts, and the quiet hope that real love
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Speaker 2: is still possible. I want to tell you that it is.
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Speaker 2: This show is a sanctuary, a place to heal the past,
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Speaker 2: life with others, and most importantly, with yourself. Welcome to
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Speaker 2: thirty pm Eastern Time. That's fourteen ninety AM and ninety
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Speaker 2: eight point one FM. I'm Robin Vogel. I am so
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Speaker 2: excited to be here. As you know, my listeners know
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Speaker 2: that I do a lot of solo shows, and I
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Speaker 2: am dropping in about once a month with a guest,
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Speaker 2: a special guest, which is really fun and exciting for me.
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Speaker 2: Today we have Lisa Callahan, and we're going to talk
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Speaker 2: about a variety of things related to love and a relationship.
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Speaker 2: We're definitely going to drop in some information and some
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Speaker 2: conversation about feminine leadership and how that works. And I
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Speaker 2: just want to share with you that Lisa Callahan is
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Speaker 2: a leading master coach and co host of The Things
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Speaker 2: We Know. That's Capital thch and The Things we Know,
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Speaker 2: a podcast ranked in the top ten percent globally. With
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Speaker 2: over twenty years of experience, she has helped thousands of
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Speaker 2: women gain clarity and confidence through her signature transformation for
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Speaker 2: real system. I love that. A former weight Watcher's leader,
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Speaker 2: Lisa is known for her heart centered approach and ability
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Speaker 2: to make people feel truly seen and heard. She lives
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Speaker 2: in LA and is a passionate advocate for LBGTQ, and
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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's plus plus plus plus rights and women's leadership,
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Speaker 2: because yeah, I don't have all those letters committed to
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Speaker 2: memory right now, but totally totally appreciate it. Wow. So
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Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
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Speaker 3: Thank you.
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Speaker 2: I'm so glad to be here. Yeah, and we're live
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Speaker 2: on the radio just like in a not in LA unfortunately,
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Speaker 2: but right nearby to LA in southern Califacia. Yeah. That's
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Speaker 2: every Thursday. Yeah, and after it goes live on the radio,
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Speaker 2: it goes to all the podcast platforms that everybody knows
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Speaker 2: and loves. Soundsome. Yeah, yeah, it's really wonderful. So I'm
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Speaker 2: just going to dive right in with just before we
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Speaker 2: actually went live today, you were starting to say that
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Speaker 2: you're having an anniversary with your partner and that you
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Speaker 2: have you met forty.
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Speaker 3: Years years ago.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Wow, Well, I.
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Speaker 2: Am sure that my listeners and me, we all want
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Speaker 2: to know the secret to staying together for forty years. No,
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Speaker 2: pressure though.
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, you know it's funny because I said, I'm
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Speaker 5: happy to talk about about love because I am so
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Speaker 5: present to it right at this moment, and you said, well,
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Speaker 5: feminine leadership has a lot to do with that, and
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Speaker 5: I agree. But honestly, what I really think is Darren
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Speaker 5: and I's secret sauce is there is no real hierarchy
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Speaker 5: in our relationship. We are true partners. I never feel
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Speaker 5: like he's.
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Speaker 3: Trying to have power over me, and I don't ever
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Speaker 3: try to have power over him. One of the beautiful
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Speaker 3: things about soft power about feminine leadership is that women
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Speaker 3: feminine leadership really means power with or for, versus power over.
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Speaker 3: And So when I think about Darren and I's relationship,
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Speaker 3: and we have two amazing kids, and we've moved from
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Speaker 3: Ohio to Chicago to la We've been married almost twenty
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Speaker 3: eight years, but we've been together thirty eight and we
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Speaker 3: met forty years ago. I think what keeps it going
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Speaker 3: is like we're just we truly are equals.
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Speaker 2: There's this yeah, wow, yeah, that's really interesting. It brings
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Speaker 2: up a topic that I will touch on in a
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Speaker 2: little bit. Yeah. So, first, you took a moment to
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Speaker 2: define feminine leadership, which I think is really important, and
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Speaker 2: that that's like a soft sure, yeah, do you want
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Speaker 2: to say more? I mean, does the feminine masculine polarities
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Speaker 2: are very present in my own work?
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Speaker 4: Yeah?
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Speaker 2: I bet so. I'd love to hear, Yeah, what is
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Speaker 2: for you?
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Speaker 1: Yeah?
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Speaker 3: I think so for me, femine leadership. It doesn't mean
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Speaker 3: that masculine leadership is bad right to your point. It's
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Speaker 3: polarities and both can be together, can work really well.
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Speaker 3: And I often think that when you hear the idea
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Speaker 3: of feminine leadership, some people go, oh, women are going
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Speaker 3: to treat men the way they've treated women all these years,
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Speaker 3: And that's absolutely not the case. When you think about
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Speaker 3: feminine leadership. We're here to bring everybody with us. We're
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Speaker 3: here about to be collaborative, right to ask for other
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Speaker 3: people's opinions and actually listen to those opinions. Right, We're
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Speaker 3: here to pivot really easily.
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Speaker 2: They're you know, the old.
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Speaker 3: Trope is women are too emotional to lead. Actually that's
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Speaker 3: not true. We're really good at pivoting and bending without
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Speaker 3: breaking and continuing to move forward.
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Speaker 2: You know.
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Speaker 3: We we have the ability to be visionaries and play
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Speaker 3: the long game. Even when the short game needs attention
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Speaker 3: as well. We can manage a bunch of things at once.
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Speaker 3: We have the ability, We have such great intuition if
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Speaker 3: we're willing to listen to it, and we can read
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Speaker 3: the room and the culture and the unspoken tension that
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Speaker 3: might be in any given room or relationship and again
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Speaker 3: pivot with all of that. So I think when I
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Speaker 3: think about feminine leadership, those are those are all the
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Speaker 3: qualities that are so important in and whether we're talking
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Speaker 3: about the boardroom or the bedroom.
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Speaker 2: Quite frankly exactly, Yeah. I love how you just described it,
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Speaker 2: and it really I was on the same wavelength, like
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Speaker 2: thinking about how that shows up in the workforce, especially
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Speaker 2: if some ones in like a more corporate organization, you
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Speaker 2: know type environment, and how it shows up in relationship
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Speaker 2: and I'm curious how I mean, in your work and
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Speaker 2: in your witnessing also, like how you've seen before we
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Speaker 2: get to the relationship piece, like the feminine leadership be
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Speaker 2: accepted or loud supported in the workforce or in the world. Maybe, yeah,
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Speaker 2: how you want to answer it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Well I think that's the important piece, right.
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Speaker 3: This is why this is my purpose right now, and
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Speaker 3: why it's the thing I really want to be out
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Speaker 3: there speaking about. It's what drives myself and my co
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Speaker 3: host with our podcast as well, you know, to let
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Speaker 3: women know that the best is not behind them no
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Speaker 3: matter how old they are, they can always create the
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Speaker 3: next chapter that makes them love their life. And I
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Speaker 3: think it's more important now than ever, especially because women
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Speaker 3: are trying they're trying to sidelight us and they're trying
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Speaker 3: to gaslight us and tell us that, you know, we
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Speaker 3: should just be staying at home and making dinner and
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Speaker 3: talk about inequality. Right. I mean, if if I'm if
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Speaker 3: all I'm doing is caretaking my husband, how is how
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Speaker 3: am I loving my life? You know? So I think
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Speaker 3: what's interesting and what I really focus on and what
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Speaker 3: I'm really proud of with the clients that I that
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Speaker 3: work with me and where they get to is they
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Speaker 3: come to me kind of chaotic and not because not
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Speaker 3: like they're chaotic, but there's so much going on in
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Speaker 3: their head. And what I do is sort of step
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Speaker 3: in and I think almost like personally organize their their brain.
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Speaker 3: You know, we let them tell me everything they want,
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Speaker 3: what's important to them, why they want it, why it's
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Speaker 3: important to them, and then I can work through the
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Speaker 3: weeds of that and really point them in the right
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Speaker 3: direction and give them the confidence all along the way,
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Speaker 3: because as they create what they want, we break it
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Speaker 3: down into small steps and celebrate along the way, and
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Speaker 3: with each celebration, they're reinforcing for themselves. I did it.
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Speaker 3: I did the thing I said I was gonna do,
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Speaker 3: which builds their confidence. And so sure part of that
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Speaker 3: is absolutely walking into men centered spaces, maybe the only
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Speaker 3: woman in the room, and having the confidence to stand
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Speaker 3: their ground and have their voice be heard even if
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Speaker 3: even if the men aren't hearing them right, they're still
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Speaker 3: speaking their peace. And that confidence doesn't mean they're not scared.
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Speaker 3: It just means they're doing it scared. So that's the
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Speaker 3: piece I think that's really drives my work, is that
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Speaker 3: I want women to walk into every room feeling confident,
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Speaker 3: quite frankly, having the confidence of a mediocre white man
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Speaker 3: to be honest.
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Speaker 2: Wow, yeah, yes, And as your as your as you
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Speaker 2: were speaking about this, I was really thinking about women
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Speaker 2: in relationship and curious just I always like to ask
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Speaker 2: a question to my listeners, and that is that are
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Speaker 2: there places in your relationships, whether it's with a man,
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Speaker 2: maybe it's a male partner, maybe it's a male friend,
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Speaker 2: maybe it's just friendships period. So because I'm not I'm
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Speaker 2: not only talking about heterosexual connections, as you know I've said,
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Speaker 2: but are there places where you might Again this is
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Speaker 2: for our listeners like shrink back, hold back, not take
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Speaker 2: the lead, and not speak up for yourself, not take
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Speaker 2: care of yourself. I mean, I think these are you know,
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Speaker 2: really big important things to look at, to do self
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Speaker 2: inquiry on and work through, you know, and and start
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Speaker 2: to really look at how to make that change so
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Speaker 2: that you show up in your full feminine self. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: did you have was there any question? Yeah? So I'm
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Speaker 2: asking that to the listeners. I always invite people to
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Speaker 2: send me an email if they want to, they can
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Speaker 2: do that through come back to love dot com. I'd
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Speaker 2: love to hear answers to the questions that I pose.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious in your own personal journey if that kind
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Speaker 2: of confidence in leadership was where you began in your life.
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Speaker 2: But did you pop out this way or was there
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Speaker 2: a winding path that got you to like really solidify
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Speaker 2: that in your in yourself.
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Speaker 3: So that is interestingly kind of a hard question for
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Speaker 3: me to answer, and here's why, Because I would say
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Speaker 3: I didn't pop out this way. I would say when
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Speaker 3: I think back on my life. So again, my husband
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Speaker 3: and I met when we were seventeen eighteen, right, And
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Speaker 3: so when I think of that time in my life,
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Speaker 3: I did not think of myself as being confident. Right. However,
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Speaker 3: I have been told, because I'm still friends with lots
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Speaker 3: of people from that time period, I have been told that, oh, wow, yeah,
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Speaker 3: you were always confident. You were always kind of a
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Speaker 3: hard ass, you were always kind of like, you know,
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Speaker 3: the person everybody wanted to follow. I did not see
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Speaker 3: myself that way. But as I have gotten older and
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Speaker 3: I have done the things I said I was gonna do,
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Speaker 3: because again, that's a big piece of confidence. You know,
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Speaker 3: we think, oh, if I don't do what I say
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Speaker 3: I'm going to do for myself, nobody, nobody knows, but
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Speaker 3: you you know, you know, you're letting yourself down. And
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Speaker 3: it's no different than letting a friend down. If you
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Speaker 3: keep letting a friend down, they're not going to have
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Speaker 3: confidence in you. So if you keep letting yourself down,
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Speaker 3: you're going to lose confidence in yourself. So as I
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Speaker 3: kept doing the things I said I was going to do.
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Speaker 3: I felt my confidence and I and so now I
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Speaker 3: can and say, now I can look back and go, Okay,
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Speaker 3: I was probably more confident than I realized. So I
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Speaker 3: probably was in some ways born this way. But I've
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Speaker 3: also nurtured it and I've also learned. And that's the
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Speaker 3: key to confidence is some people are born confident, but
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Speaker 3: you can learn it and you can nurture it. You know,
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Speaker 3: if you feel if you're sitting here now and being like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I am not confident, do the next thing you say
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Speaker 3: you're going to do, and you will feel that confidence
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Speaker 3: rise like a little temperature gaze gauge.
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Speaker 2: Hmm. So do the next thing you said you were
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Speaker 2: going to do. Yeah, let's talk a little bit more
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Speaker 2: about confidence. It's a pretty big topic. And you know,
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Speaker 2: self esteem is different than self confidence, and maybe you
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Speaker 2: want to share the distinction there, and yeah, let's share
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Speaker 2: that distinction first.
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Speaker 3: As far as in my mind, self esteem is a
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Speaker 3: little bit more how you feel about yourself. It's more
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Speaker 3: of a feeling, I think, whereas confidence is an active
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Speaker 3: like it's action. You know, I don't always have good
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Speaker 3: self esteem and have it. I mean, I was a
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Speaker 3: weight watcher leader for a reason. You know, at the
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Speaker 3: time that I worked for Weight Watchers, you had to
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Speaker 3: have gone through the program, lost weight, kept it off.
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Speaker 3: So you know, that's unfortunately very tied to self esteem.
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Speaker 3: So I don't think I've always had good self esteem.
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Speaker 3: That is definitely wavered over the years. Still does you know,
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Speaker 3: even I'm almost fifty seven, there are times, quite frankly,
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Speaker 3: when Carrie and I started the pod in twenty twenty three,
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Speaker 3: we were had a lot of self esteem. We were
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Speaker 3: just like, we got this, We're doing great, and you know,
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Speaker 3: different things happen in life that have knocked us off
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Speaker 3: our own little pedestal. So that's an ebb and a flow.
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Speaker 3: But I do believe that once you start building confidence,
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Speaker 3: if you keep following through, that is that can be
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Speaker 3: that can be stayed, you know, that can really stick.
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Speaker 3: That the steam might flow, but the confidence can be
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Speaker 3: really solid.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I have a concept that I share with my clients,
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Speaker 2: whether the I'm working when a one or at a
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Speaker 2: workshop or retreat that I lead, and it's it goes
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Speaker 2: like this low rep high reward. I learned it from
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Speaker 2: a man because it's very for me. It's a very
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Speaker 2: masculine metaphor yeah, but it works for me. Low rep
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Speaker 2: high reward, right, Like, just choose the one pound weight
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Speaker 2: and do one small rep with your biceps, let's say,
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Speaker 2: and that's it, and then take the next, take the next,
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Speaker 2: take the next, and the high reward is that you're
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Speaker 2: starting to strengthen a muscle and you took the action
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Speaker 2: that's going to move forward. Right, So when you talk
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Speaker 2: about building confidence, it's for me. It's the same. And
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Speaker 2: we've just said you said it already, I'm saying it
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Speaker 2: in different language, right, low rep really high reward because
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Speaker 2: they know that's.
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Speaker 3: A great analogy. Yeah, great analogy. Confidence is even if
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Speaker 3: you were born this way. I mean again, I can
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Speaker 3: look back on my life and I was not exercising
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Speaker 3: that muscle in high school, maybe even college, you know,
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Speaker 3: but I certainly have in the last twenty years, you know,
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Speaker 3: because each thing I did that kind of stretched me
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Speaker 3: out of my comfort zone. Becoming a weight watcher leader
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Speaker 3: was not on my bingo card, and it was very
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Speaker 3: scary at first, but then I did it and I
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Speaker 3: loved it, and that's what led to me being a coach,
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Speaker 3: which led to me being a podcaster, and you know,
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Speaker 3: so forth and so on.
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Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. Each step built confidence and actually just kept
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Speaker 2: supporting you in your life journey and your life path.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so let's go back to the love and relationship piece.
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Speaker 2: It was really interesting for me to hear you talk about,
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Speaker 2: you know, you and your husband Darren, Yeah, being like
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Speaker 2: equal partners and and that's great of course, Like you know,
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Speaker 2: there's so many ways to look at relationship in my world,
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Speaker 2: which is in part infused with studying and teaching Tantra.
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Speaker 2: We talk about the masculine and the feminine energies, and
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Speaker 2: we kind of emphasize the polarity, okay, because the polarity
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Speaker 2: is what attracts, right, the magnet pulls the positive and
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Speaker 2: the negative together, you know, can barely pull it apart.
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Speaker 2: And also has to do with sex and sexual connection
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Speaker 2: and feeling turned on and feeling the connection between the
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Speaker 2: two people. It's a really big topic. I've worked, I
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Speaker 2: don't work. I work with some couples now, but I
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Speaker 2: spent about ten years out of my you know, twenty
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Speaker 2: five year journey here really focused on couples, and a
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Speaker 2: lot of them would come in and say, we're kind
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Speaker 2: of like roommates. It's flat, you know, the masculine energy
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Speaker 2: kind of shrinks, the feminine energy can sometimes take over. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: and there's no polarity or not much polarity, and their roommates,
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Speaker 2: you know, and those are the things that actually, you know,
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Speaker 2: show up in that expression of being roommates. And so
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Speaker 2: it's actually that's been some of my most gratifying work
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Speaker 2: actually is to identify that and help couples see that
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Speaker 2: and see what they created, not not on purpose, but
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Speaker 2: you know, sort of unconsciously created, and inviting each of
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Speaker 2: them to really step into the true feminine and the
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Speaker 2: true masculine. And it goes kind of against, you know,
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Speaker 2: what's more politically correct in some ways, which is why
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Speaker 2: I waited in the conversation till now. So listeners, here
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Speaker 2: we are. We're talking about sex, masculine and feminine polarities.
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Speaker 2: We are with Lisa Callahan with the infusion of feminine
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Speaker 2: leadership in there and a forty year relationship and anyway,
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Speaker 2: thank you for being here, everybody, and thank you for
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Speaker 2: being here Lisa. Absolutely. So we're headed into this piece.
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Speaker 2: I'm curious, like I'm open, what you want to share.
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Speaker 3: Well, first off, I want to I actually feel well
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Speaker 3: like I want to say thank you for doing that work.
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Speaker 3: Because Carrie and I again my co host with the podcast,
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Speaker 3: we have retreats that we run twice a year called
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Speaker 3: the Best Chapter Yet Retreats, and they're they're again meant
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Speaker 3: for women to build their next best chapter. And I
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Speaker 3: am I guess I don't want to say surprised, because
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Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. We've talked about this exact thing on
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Speaker 3: our on our not tantra, but just the idea that
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Speaker 3: you know, as we get older, men lose their sex drives.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes women lose it too, but sometimes women gain their
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Speaker 3: sex drive. That's been my experience, and we have many
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Speaker 3: conversations that these retreats because they're small and intimate and safe,
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Speaker 3: and lots of times the women have been at our
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Speaker 3: retreats several times so they know each other, but there's
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Speaker 3: a lot of we just live as roommates and and
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Speaker 3: more often than not they find it's coming from a
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Speaker 3: place of sadness, not necessarily because the women's like, oh,
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Speaker 3: I'm dying on more sex, but just that that loss
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Speaker 3: of intimacy and what society deems is intimacy, right, So
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Speaker 3: I love that you are acknowledging that and letting teaching
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Speaker 3: people how to work with it, versus trying to fit
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Speaker 3: into some cookie cutter box of what age looks like
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Speaker 3: or sex looks like. Right, And and I think knowledge
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Speaker 3: is power, you know, Naming it is power. So what
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Speaker 3: you're doing is really opening up the possible opening up
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Speaker 3: possibilities for people to look at intimacy in a different way.
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Speaker 3: And I think that's incredibly important because again, I you know,
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Speaker 3: we're at a stage I'm obviously Gen X, and we
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Speaker 3: we're the new boomers, right, we're the new oldest getting
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Speaker 3: to be the new oldest generation. And our parents didn't
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Speaker 3: talk about this stuff, right, and so we're all of
21:14
Speaker 3: a sudden like, oh my, what is happening. I mean,
21:17
Speaker 3: I didn't never dawned on me that men lost their
21:20
Speaker 3: sex drive. I never thought of their hormones as changing.
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Speaker 3: I only knew barely about it menopause, you know. And
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Speaker 3: so I think it's it's something that is starting to
21:29
Speaker 3: be talked about, and it's so incredibly important, especially if
21:34
Speaker 3: you want to stay with your partner, because I think
21:37
Speaker 3: when you're not feeling that connection and you're not getting
21:40
Speaker 3: support around it, it could be the reason to leave
21:44
Speaker 3: a relationship. And I don't think of leaving a relationship
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Speaker 3: as a failure. I think sometimes relationships end, but I
21:52
Speaker 3: think what if they don't want it to and they
21:55
Speaker 3: think that's the thing that they have to do because
21:57
Speaker 3: they no longer are attracted or no longer having sex
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Speaker 3: or whatever. So all that to say, your work is
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Speaker 3: incredibly important.
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Speaker 2: Thank You're welcome, thank you, thank you. Yeah. I just
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Speaker 2: want to speak to it just for a moment, and
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Speaker 2: that is that there's a way. And it's interesting to
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Speaker 2: speak with you about feminine leadership in the boardroom. In
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Speaker 2: the boardroom, uh, and maybe in the bedroom, but maybe
22:25
Speaker 2: not in the bedroom in terms of not confidence, although
22:29
Speaker 2: this relates to confidence, but in terms of stepping into
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Speaker 2: the bedroom and being able to release all of the
22:37
Speaker 2: doing and the multitasking that you said we're so capable of.
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Speaker 2: I mean, we are so capable as women. But to
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Speaker 2: create this polarity, there's like a relaxation and a receiving
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Speaker 2: and a surrender. And for me, yeah, exactly like deep
22:56
Speaker 2: breath relax For me, the feminine is about softness you mentioned,
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Speaker 2: and also about just being in the flow and being
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Speaker 2: open to whatever shows up. And then that allows a
23:08
Speaker 2: masculine energy. It doesn't matter the biology of the body.
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Speaker 2: It allows a masculine energy to show up in a
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Speaker 2: taken care of, in a holding space, for in a
23:19
Speaker 2: creating the container that allows the feminine energy to truly
23:23
Speaker 2: be the feminine energy, which is not the masculine energy.
23:28
Speaker 2: It's just not they are different. So there's a whole
23:31
Speaker 2: piece here in our culture in living during this time
23:34
Speaker 2: period post feminism, right from the fifties, that has neutralized
23:41
Speaker 2: and it's impacting relationships, not all, but a lot, you know,
23:47
Speaker 2: keeps a couple's therapists and kept me in business. Anyway.
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Speaker 2: It's it's an interesting topic. And I am I'm such
23:54
Speaker 2: a I'm just such a deep fan of allowing the
23:58
Speaker 2: feminine energy to be pressed, you know.
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Speaker 3: I just you saying some of that stuff brings tears
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Speaker 3: to my eyes because again, I think of my clients,
24:08
Speaker 3: I think of our retreat participants, I think of our listeners,
24:11
Speaker 3: and and just the suffering that they are feeling because
24:17
Speaker 3: they don't have the language for it, you know, they
24:19
Speaker 3: don't they and they don't understand it, and we weren't
24:21
Speaker 3: taught it, you know, And and so I think it's
24:25
Speaker 3: it's an important thing to get out there as this
24:30
Speaker 3: generation so that millennials and gen Z and jen Elfin
24:34
Speaker 3: are are and I already do think. I have gen
24:37
Speaker 3: Z kids and they are much more willing to talk
24:39
Speaker 3: about sex and that sort of thing than I was.
24:44
Speaker 3: But let them know that that's valid and feel seen
24:47
Speaker 3: and heard around.
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Speaker 2: It exactly exactly. Thank you for bringing in that piece.
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Speaker 2: I also have kids that age and yeah, totally like
24:56
Speaker 2: what can change, what's possible in the future, you know, Yeah,
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Speaker 2: So that's beautiful. Wow, Thank you so much, Lisa. This
25:05
Speaker 2: has been incredible to have this conversation with you. I
25:08
Speaker 2: love the mix of that feminine piece of leadership and
25:13
Speaker 2: bringing the energy forward. How can our listeners find you?
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Speaker 3: Transformationfreal dot com.
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