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Talks to Luke Hollands about his choice of Revolution of the Daleks ( · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker.
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  Welcome back to Hubster with a blood pen Knife, The Doctor Who
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  Commentary Podcast. Mr. Luke Hollins.
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  Hello. Hello Joe, How are you doing?
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  Oh well, you know, work was pretty stressful today, you
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  know, But I knew I was coming to hang out with a new friend
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  tonight. How are you doing?
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  I'm doing well. I'm doing well, Yeah.
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  I can't wait to talk about this amazing story.
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  Well, yes, and we, we are going to, you know, have a little
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  peripheral discussion about Jodie and her era before we go
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  into Revolution of the Daleks, which we are here to talk about
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  today. Somehow not covered on hamster.
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  It's battling. But before we do that, you know,
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  I could have sworn, you know, I saw your name turn up on a
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  schedule recently on a few websites.
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  Please not criminal. Ones not criminal ones.
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  Was it not some kind of something?
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  You want to confess? No, no, no.
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  You sure? I'm trying to get you more
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  assignments here, not less. OK.
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  OK. Now why don't you tell me all
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  about the Paul Sprague competition and what this is all
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  about? Yeah.
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  So every year Big Finish runs the Paul Sprague Opportunity,
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  which is in memory of Paul Sprague.
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  He worked at Big Finish and sadly died, died quite young.
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  But they run an opportunity every year where anyone can
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  write a story and you have to write 500 word synopsis and a
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  500 word entry, sort of opening of the story.
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  And this year it was specifically Jodie themed.
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  It was the 13th Doctor one. But I've been entering it for
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  every year for the last 10 years pretty much.
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  And this year I won. So very excitingly.
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  This Christmas, my first ever Big Finish came out.
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  You can listen to it right now. And may I say to anyone who's
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  listening, please do go and listen to it.
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  It is fabulous. It's got a wonderful concept at
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  its heart. But Jesus Christ, man, you're
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  not happy to just sit on that concept?
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  No, no, we go on a whirlwind tour.
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  We go to all these whales and it's absolutely amazing.
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  Yeah, I. Imagination you have.
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  Yeah, I thought it would be a lot easier if I had sort of
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  three stories within one story and I could just write these
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  short little bits and connect them all together.
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  But actually that ended up becoming quite unmanageable.
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  And I Right, you're meant to write 5000 words, and I think my
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  first draft was about 11,000 words.
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  Oh. Boy, OK.
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  So like hack? To pieces then.
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  Hit the pieces. So yeah, maybe the director's
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  cut or the the writers cut come out at some point, but can.
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  Ioffer an enticing teaser to the people this week.
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  All right, OK, imagine. All right, Imagine if a day of
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  the week, you know, the title may give away which one, a day
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  of the week goes missing, and it just happens to be a day where
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  the Doctor achieves a great deal in the universe.
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  And when it's taken, all of that is undone and all the chaos that
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  ensues. Yeah, exactly.
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  And then the doctor has to go into the day with the owner of
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  the lost property office to convince her to give her the day
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  back so she can save the universe.
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  I mean, just to say in a story, in a lost property office is
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  genius. You know it's never been done
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  before. And Doctor Who?
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  Now I know, but I kind of, I sort of wanted to cram so much
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  more into it. I mean, the great thing was on
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  the cover art they did for it, they'd like a film canister and
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  there was a production code on it for the Feast of Stephen for
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  Dalek's master plan. And so there's a little bit that
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  I wrote into it where there's like a Pew Pew Pew and the
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  canister gets blown up. So that's that's where a few
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  missing stories are. And My wedding Ring, because I
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  was inspired by losing my wedding ring to write the story
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  that ends up in there as well. Are you telling me that you are
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  responsible for the destruction of the Feast of Stephen?
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  Because I've got someone downstairs, right?
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  It's got a few words to say to you.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hopefully I can get it back at
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  some point. In a purely fictitious way.
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  I mean, do you know what the genius of all this is is you've
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  got, you don't what you say 10 years you've been submitting.
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  Oh, you're pretty much I think. Yeah, at least.
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  At least I've put 10 entries in, Yeah.
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  Are you listening to this right? First of all, you've chosen this
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  man as the the best of. All of the bunch.
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  Right. Yeah.
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  So, you know, I mean, they probably had a lot of trolls as
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  well. But you know, I'm sure they had
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  some great stuff. Go in.
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  I mean, my mate Jack. Oh, God bless him.
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  I bet I'll say anything on the call.
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  We might listen, but he's got nine other stories all ready to
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  go. Like if you, if you've been
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  doing it for 10 years, where are all the other nine?
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  Come on. Most of all, my phone notes.
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  I'm constantly writing stuff on my phone notes of like, oh,
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  that'd be a good thing to do. Would you have one?
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  Year. One year I had I wrote all about
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  a time hotel where every wind, every door went on.
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  But literally it was like 2 years beforehand.
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  So maybe Moffett copied that for a.
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  Now we know whose waste paper baskets he's been scrambling.
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  About in Yeah, he's been sitting around my bins.
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  I mean, I was just about, excuse me, I was just about to say like
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  what I was for a great because there was so many wonderful
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  ideas in the website. It wasn't.
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  Can you give me just one other one that you've conjured up out
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  of all the others? What in what of all your past
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  stories? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Come on. What's your?
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  Favorite. What's your favorite?
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  Apart from the one that obviously was made.
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  Yes, well, the time H1 I got really excited by because it was
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  like it wasn't so much the doors that they went through, it was
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  the windows looked out on a different time.
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  So it was about a man that had lost his wife and every he'd
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  discovered this time hotel and he went to this room every
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  anniversary they had. But unfortunately it sort of
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  always looked out on on the when their first meeting, walking
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  along the sea front and meeting together.
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  And then somehow Daleks were involved.
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  And then it got yeah. It's breaking in my heart
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  already when you watch that dismal Christmas Day episode of
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  Stole the Idea and I was like. Hang on, that's my bloody idea.
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  Would have been much better in my short trip it.
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  Was so disturbed. It was depressing, wasn't it?
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  It wasn't great. Terrible.
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  My God. Well, I mean, we're, we're going
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  back to the era before that, you know, happy days.
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  Well, actually, let's talk about that then, shall we?
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  Let's talk about. No, wait, hang on.
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  I'm getting ahead of myself. I want to ask you first, if you
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  don't mind, let's do a bit of probing.
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  I beg your pardon? How did you insert yourself into
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  Doctor Who, Luke? So.
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  That's alright. Take yourself back, Joe.
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  It's October 1988. It's a drizzly evening.
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  Put your fingers on me, lap. Yeah.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've already gone to bed early
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  because I'm only about 5 years old at the time, and from my bed
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  I hear terrifying voices downstairs.
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  It is one episode, I'm not sure which, of Remembrance of the
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  Daleks. Oh.
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  So that. Was cool in for you?
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  They were cool in come. Downstairs.
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  For some reason, for ages I had a memory that it was the last
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  episode, so it was Dave Ross. But I'm not sure if it was or if
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  that's like a false memory. But I was so scared.
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  Basically, I came upstairs utterly terrified.
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  I was like, please, I never want to hear this theme tune.
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  I never want to hear Daleks. I never want to see any of this
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  ever again. How?
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  Did that work out for you? Yeah.
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  It didn't work out very well because not long after that I
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  started talking to my mum about like, I'd love to see an episode
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  that didn't have Daleks in it. And in our local library they
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  had the Arcing Space on VHS and I watched that and then they
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  also had The Five Doctors on VHS and watched that.
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  And then when I was a little bit older and I was better at
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  reading, I started diving into Target books and started getting
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  though I think I must have read Vengeance from Varos about 6 * a
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  hardback copy of Vengeance from Varos.
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  Unhealthy, but yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  And then what really got me into it was 1993 or sort of 9293.
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  So when all the repeats were on, I started watching it.
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  Then Slight Mind Robber, Sea Devils, Genesis as Daleks,
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  obviously Planet of the Daleks, which is my absolute favorite on
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  on, you know, across the actual 30th anniversary, which was my
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  10th birthday, 10th. What a great year to watch
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  Planet of the Daleks. I know I just absolutely loved
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  and to watch every every like Friday evening coming home and
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  it being on, it was such a treat.
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  At the end of the week going to get fish, my mum would get fish
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  and chips. Watched Planet of the Daleks,
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  all those little videos that were on at the beginning before
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  haha. Had like the antiques one, they
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  had the Unit 1, they had the missing story one with being
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  Levine on it and then you had in that run you had dimensions in
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  Time was in that as well. I mean, you were so favorite,
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  weren't you? Yeah, I was.
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  So yeah, I voted. Did I vote for Mandy?
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  I can't remember. I voted for no.
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  One voted for Big Ron, did they? Think I voted for Big Ron
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  actually because I like Big Ron. I mean, 13 million people can't
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  be wrong, right? Don't.
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  Mention. Yeah, exactly.
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  And then obviously you had, you know, I've got really into the
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  3rd Doctor around there as well because obviously John Perky was
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  everywhere. He's on ghost events based
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  Paradise of Death he was on. Crank up your granny.
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  I mean, he was everywhere. An old house party.
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  He was. Well, well, well, yes.
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  Hello, yes, I just that that was sort of cemented it.
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  I think then, because I didn't know obviously then about things
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  like missing stories or like the sort of the history of the show.
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  I remember asking my parents at Christmas for a bunch of books
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  and I got like the the David J Howe, like the 70s and and there
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  was there was one. Was it called time?
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  Time frames? With all the covers.
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  You have all the covers in it? Yeah, I used to sit every night
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  as like a 10 yard. I just flick through that.
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  You was in too deep. At that point, yeah, it wasn't
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  the fact that Katie Manning was topless in it.
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  That wasn't no. Did you see that companions book
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  that they brought? Out.
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  Yeah, that was, yeah. I had the copy of that as well.
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  Petra Perry on page 2. Unbelievable, isn't it?
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  That is burned into my mind. It may have had huge influence
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  on my life, but in the wrong direction.
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  But I am weirdly it got to just like just after 96, obviously it
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  came back as very exciting about the TV movies or watch that.
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  And around that time, when I started to become a teenager, I
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  got a bit self-conscious about the whole Doctor Who and I
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  packed everything I had away, got rid of everything I told.
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  Me got rid of it, got rid of it. Yeah, yeah, the whole shelves of
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  Target books. No.
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  Everything I just like no get read I'm I'm done so towards the
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  late 90s. So many twists and turns in this
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  story. Luke, come on, keep going.
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  Yeah, I I have my own hiatus. I have my own Wilton peers.
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  What were you watching at the time then when Doctor Who wasn't
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  in? I quite liked a bit of Red Dwarf
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  at the time. That's a predictable answer, you
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  know. Exactly.
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  I did like a bit of that. But you just said The Crystal
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  Maze or something like that. I would have been.
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  But now I sort of gave it all up.
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  So I don't know. I got really self-conscious
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  about it. I gave it all up.
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  I told my parents I was like do not mention it to anyone.
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  I think I basically I wanted a girlfriend at the time and I was
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  like please don't. I've got to put this away
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  because I can't have this around.
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  I can't. Believe you swore your parents
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  to secrecy I. Swore them to secrecy like do
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  not dare mention this ever happened.
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  Well, secretly I'd be in my room and I'd I'd like a box under the
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  bed that kept a few like annuals in a few books and I'd secretly
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  look and go I love this. This is so nice I.
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  Really thought you had all sorts under that bed and it's just
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  like the Abominable Snowman target, you know?
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  I know. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah, and no previous partners after that.
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  Obviously I'm secretly there, like sneaking down to try and
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  watch the new series or whatever.
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  I'm being at university. Oh, even when the new series
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  came back, yeah, you still kept this under wraps.
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  I kept it under wraps. Yeah yeah, yeah.
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  When the new series came back I'd be like yeah, I'm just
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  nipping him to my room a second, you know, on a Saturday.
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  Yeah, I'm just going to get a few pre drinks in you now.
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  Just I'll see you in a couple of hours time.
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  Yeah, for a. Mate.
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  And goes, yeah, he wanks a lot. Yeah, you're up there watching
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  Gridlock. Exactly.
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  Literally. Literally.
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  Yeah. But I.
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  Mean I'm I'm hoping that the story is going to end with I got
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  over all of that. I, it does end with that.
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  I got all over all of that and, and I've embraced it all again.
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  I'm starting to buy all my targets back now, but I mean
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  they've all gone up in price now.
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  Yeah it's heartbreaking. I got rid of all mine as well
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  when I moved out. It's a story I'll tell a million
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  times. I threw it, basically, my
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  ex-husband cursed. A man said to me, something's
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  got to go. We can't take everything.
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  And I had all the original books.
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  I had all the Targets and all the VHS things.
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  I had all the DVD. And so I just went with great
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  for a mall in a bin bag and in a skip.
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  In a skip. I didn't even pass them on or
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  anything. I know.
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  Do you know how much they're worth now, these books?
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  I know, I know well like in my mind like a Target book is 20P
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  and the shop now and there's like £2.50's, the cheapest you
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  can get one. Why do you pay you Yeah, when
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  you're playing with a yo-yo and chewing gum back in the day
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  nowadays? Yeah, I.
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  Paid. I paid 27 lbs for time and the
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  Rani recently. Oh my God.
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  I mean I had like loads of the blue spine ones that are now
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  working absolute fortune. I remember getting the invasion
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  when it came out, Dalek invasion of Earth, loads of them.
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  I just think God what was I doing?
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  I I had an early edition of 1st edition of Wheeling Space as
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  well, which is now worth an absolute fortune.
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  Now, can I ask you a personal question?
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  Go on. OK, there'll be many, so get
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  used to it. So your wife now?
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  Yes. So did you go into that
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  relationship immediately as a Doctor Who fan, or was there a
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  moment where you had to sit her down and go?
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  I'll have something brutal to confess to you.
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  I, I, I did sort of confess it. Do you know what I thought?
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  I had so many relationships where I was like, I've got to
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  hide. This how many you?
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  Talk. Not that, not that way, but with
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  her, I kind of thought, do you know what?
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  I really like her. Like I really like her.
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  I'm going to get this out of the way early and maybe that'll be a
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  tester if she doesn't go complete weirdo.
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  I mean, I'll do that with like ribbon, you know, like.
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  Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. No, God continue.
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  And she went, oh, OK. Well, cool, yeah.
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  So you were like, oh God, all these years.
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  All these years I could have just said that what I was doing,
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  it must. Be a great dramatic moment.
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  It was, it was for me. I don't think it was for her.
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  I think she just didn't really ignore.
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  She ignored it. What you're.
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  Basically saying is you came out as a Doctor Who, you came out of
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  the closet. But she is the only person other
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  than my parents who I've really sort of told.
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  Well, I'm sorry. I.
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  Mean the numbers are quite good for this thing, you know, So you
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  might have told a few more people when this goes out.
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  Yeah, well. Nobody else within your life,
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  your work, you. No, no, no.
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  God, you are closeted, ain't you?
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  I mean, usually when people turn up on the Zoom call, I can see
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  all manner of geekery behind them.
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  Now, I'm just going to set the scene behind Luke right now.
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  I mean, it looks like a piano force behind you there.
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  Is that really? Yeah.
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  Yeah. You played a beautiful.
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  Thank you. I can't, I can't really play for
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  her. And some very sophisticated
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  looking library behind you. So where's all the Doctor Who?
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  Actually that that is upstairs, that is upstairs.
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  I should have brought it down. So actually when this when the
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  when the latest when this story dropped on the short trip
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  dropped, I was down in Ramsgate, actually, of all places they can
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  and went in a second hand bookshop and they had an entire
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  shelf of targets. And I was like, I'm going to
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  treat myself and bought bought a whole lot of them.
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  So I've now got how much? That set you back.
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  Yeah, set me up a lot. Sorry darling, we can't pay the
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  rent this month. Yeah.
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  No, she was with me at the time. She was.
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  I was like, no, I just, I've got to do it.
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  I've got to do it. I'm afraid I need to start doing
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  it again. Consider it therapy, darling.
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  All right, I need to. Raise.
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  My love for this stuff. Yeah.
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  Oh. Speaking dopamine as they're
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  reading the edge of destruction. This has been one of my favorite
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  Doctor Who journeys I've heard so far.
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  You know, I've been so pleased. I'm so pleased that, well, I
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  mean, I'll truly understand the depths of your fandom as we go
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  through this, all right? Because you can usually tell by
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  by how obscure the references to other stories that they drop
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  off. Well, let's start with Jodie
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  then, because we're talking about Revolution of the Daleks
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  and obviously Jodie was the Doctor in your Big Finish short
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  trip. So I'm going to sort of not
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  frame it how I normally do, which is what do you think of
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  her? Because I know you like her and
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  we're talking about her. So let's assume that you do.
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  But when you went to write your short trip, what was it?
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  What, what was it about her Doctor?
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  How did you pin her down on the page, if you're pardon the bum?
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  Yeah, Well, I think she's not. It's not.
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  She's easy to write for. But like, the character is so
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  sort of fully formed that you know exactly what she's going to
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  say at any minute. You know exactly the kind of
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  quip she's going to say. She's just.
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  Yeah, you sort of that mix of humor and the quirkiness, the
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  littler sides. You know, she's just, it's a joy
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  to write for because you're like, oh, I know exactly what
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  she's going to say. Now.
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  She would say something like this and I could sort of really
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  feel the voice in my head. It was so I have to say when it
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  was so authentic, like Claire Corbett's reading as well was
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  just so Jodie as well. But you know, it's nothing
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  without the words, right And and just the jokes that that I
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  always think Jodie's fast and the speed of her lines in in
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  your story. I was like, yeah, there's a
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  rhythm to it. And you just got it in a way
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  that actually some of the big finishes that I've heard some do
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  and some don't. And it's a a difficult thing to
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  get right. But also as well, you managed to
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  do Jodie Exposition in a very non Christianal sort of a way.
• 18:50
  Bravosa. I mean, I love that kind of
• 18:54
  exposition when it's sort of funny.
• 18:56
  The hard thing with that though is when, because obviously a
• 18:58
  short trip isn't like a full cast audio drama, so you've got
• 19:01
  one voice doing it, so you have to have a better.
• 19:03
  Like it though it did feel like you had a full cast in there.
• 19:06
  Yeah, you have to have that exposition because you can't
• 19:09
  sort of have it's one actor speaking to themselves.
• 19:13
  So you can't sort of go, oh, yes, Doctor, what do you mean
• 19:15
  Doctor speaking backwards of boys?
• 19:18
  Although Claire Corbett did have to do a bit, though.
• 19:20
  She did it very, very well. But so you sort of write these
• 19:22
  bit more sort of exposition pieces and I don't know.
• 19:26
  Yeah, it's just, I mean, I love Jodie.
• 19:28
  I think she's great, really. Yeah, do you know I was, I was
• 19:32
  so ready for a female doctor when they announced it.
• 19:35
  Oh. You know, and whilst the world
• 19:37
  was screaming at its rage at the the hideous decision to put a
• 19:42
  woman as a Time Lord, I was just so happy.
• 19:45
  And then I think series 11 I really liked, but I didn't love
• 19:51
  then series 12 from Spy 4. Now from probably resolution on,
• 19:56
  I was just like, fuck, this is so good.
• 19:58
  There's so much energy in this now, especially after I do.
• 20:02
  Very much like Peter Capaldi, but I have so many issues with
• 20:05
  that era. It was dark, it was quite slow,
• 20:08
  it was very angst ridden. It was very sort of it was a lot
• 20:13
  of self therapy going on for the Doctor and I just wanted to just
• 20:17
  just some fun and some adventures and and all of that.
• 20:20
  And we do get some of that with Jodie as well.
• 20:22
  By the time we got to Flux Matt, it was just my favorite of the
• 20:24
  new series that era. Yeah, I, I, I think that was my
• 20:28
  favorite too. I think it just got better and
• 20:30
  better and better. And then when you get to Flux
• 20:33
  and then Power of the Doctor, oh boy.
• 20:36
  What's? The best bit of Power of the
• 20:37
  Doctor for you. I think it's the bit where Peter
• 20:42
  Davidson says, what am I thinking of, Cyberman?
• 20:45
  What am I thinking of now? She goes Patrick.
• 20:49
  I like the bit where it goes. Oh, yes, he knew exactly what he
• 20:55
  When I saw Colin on the screen, I punched the air.
• 20:58
  Yeah, but the, oh, I'm Peter Paul McCann as well.
• 21:01
  I was like, Oh my God, anything else?
• 21:04
  It actually sort of made the 60th anniversary.
• 21:08
  Well, we've just got Beep the meep and a weird pulling the
• 21:11
  cracker regeneration seem a little bit limp in comparison.
• 21:15
  Yeah, yeah. And I think like I felt the same
• 21:18
  way about para doctors. I do about 5 doctors probably
• 21:22
  where you're like I'm not sure some of this makes sense.
• 21:24
  But. I'm so here for it, I'm so here
• 21:27
  for it. Who cares?
• 21:28
  I couldn't give a toss. You've got a Janet Fielding
• 21:30
  going? Yes, I would like to go into the
• 21:32
  TARDIS, you know. I mean just glorious.
• 21:36
  Well, well, let's swing us around to Revolution of the
• 21:40
  Daleks then. You said you hadn't seen this
• 21:42
  for a while. I certainly hadn't seen this for
• 21:44
  all. Did you like this on 1st
• 21:45
  transmission? Yeah, so I, I, I remember loving
• 21:49
  on 1st transition transmission. So I think like timeless
• 21:55
  children, right? I I I'm very happy.
• 21:58
  With it, Why did you sigh before?
• 22:01
  No, not sigh. Timeless.
• 22:03
  Because at the time I was sort of unsure as to whether it was a
• 22:08
  good decision or not. Fair.
• 22:09
  I couldn't really make my mind up.
• 22:11
  And I think not the whole concept of it, which I, I'm fine
• 22:13
  with the concept of it, but just the the level of law that it was
• 22:17
  going into and creating, I was just like, oh, it's a bit fan
• 22:20
  wank. Is it, is it, do we really need
• 22:22
  this? Is this really going to bring in
• 22:24
  audiences? Are we going to enjoy it?
• 22:25
  And when it got to Revolution, I sort of thought, oh, great.
• 22:29
  It's just a straightforward story.
• 22:32
  It is just a good adventure. It is really cinematic.
• 22:35
  It's following on from the previous, you know, festive,
• 22:39
  special, great Dalek story. And it's just a good, good,
• 22:43
  solid story. And that's all I wanted.
• 22:46
  And actually now when I was watched it back, I might prefer
• 22:50
  the Timeless Children possibly because now I've sort of, I've
• 22:56
  understood that I've made my peace and like when I was
• 22:58
  watching that originally and all the stuff in Ireland and the
• 23:00
  baby and falling off a Cliff. And So what the hell is going
• 23:03
  on? I just want to store.
• 23:05
  Can I just have a straightforward story please?
• 23:08
  I mean, I suppose you did get a lot of that in 11, right?
• 23:11
  They are a lot of those are standalones and, and fairly
• 23:14
  straightforward morally and creatively.
• 23:18
  Do you know what? When I watched this earlier, the
• 23:21
  thing that really stood out for me was I was never really moved
• 23:25
  by Ryan and Graham's departure when it went out.
• 23:29
  And I had a tear in my eye when I was watching it today.
• 23:32
  And I was like, wow, this is really, and do you know what it
• 23:35
  was? It was the fact that it was so
• 23:36
  underplayed and so subtle and, and just so like, do you know
• 23:41
  what? I've had enough.
• 23:42
  I've decided actually my life's here and I want to look after
• 23:45
  the people I love. Yeah.
• 23:47
  And I was like, yeah, that's that for me is a much better
• 23:50
  exit than oh God. I'm often a diner with some
• 23:53
  lesbian from the end of time or. Well, like the world is ending
• 23:56
  and the whole universe is going to end unless I kill myself
• 23:59
  immediately. To Bill turn into a sideman and
• 24:02
  then a gay puddle or something. No, I.
• 24:05
  I mean, I love Bill. I think that that series of with
• 24:08
  Capaldi is one of the best ones. I love them as a partner.
• 24:10
  Seen know what he did to her. I know I can't.
• 24:13
  It's awful. Oh, I don't know what I ever
• 24:16
  thought it was a good idea to shoot a companion through the
• 24:18
  stomach so you can then put the camera through the image.
• 24:20
  The hole was so big the. Camera got through the Cyberman
• 24:24
  and then like, Oh no, we're not going to solve.
• 24:26
  There's some kind of puddle thing.
• 24:27
  We'll solve that in the next bit at the Christmas, whatever.
• 24:29
  And I'm like, but it's Bill. I love Bill.
• 24:31
  She's really good. But the other thing that really
• 24:33
  stood up for me, you want fan wank.
• 24:35
  I mean, this brings back Jack N character.
• 24:38
  It Captain Jacks in this. Obviously the Daleks are in
• 24:41
  this. It's following up from
• 24:42
  resolution. Like, there's a lot of stuff you
• 24:44
  sort of need to know before you go in.
• 24:48
  I think. How does it well?
• 24:49
  It hands it well and I think there are some little nods in
• 24:52
  there to previous sort of classic era Dalek stories and
• 24:55
  various classic stories. I think.
• 24:57
  I mean, I don't know if they're intentional or not where it's
• 24:58
  just me reading it into it and a couple of that's.
• 25:01
  Where I find out how deep you are.
• 25:02
  Go on. Yeah, no, but you know, there's
• 25:05
  things like, oh, we'll get into it in a second, but obviously
• 25:08
  what other story has someone being killed and a Dalek being
• 25:12
  taken away in a truck remembers the Daleks Ratliff takes away?
• 25:16
  Oh, you're quite deep there. Yeah, go and keep going.
• 25:19
  Yeah, yeah. I'm trying to now think of how I
• 25:21
  can bring the chase into this somehow.
• 25:24
  We ever shot the Prime Minister before, we probably should have
• 25:27
  done. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 25:29
  I think we have shot the Prime Minister.
• 25:30
  Well, not shot the Prime Minister, but I suppose Harriet
• 25:34
  is. She's ex Prime Minister, isn't
• 25:36
  she? Harriet Jones.
• 25:38
  Is this Prime Minister supposed to be a take on Theresa May?
• 25:42
  Is that the idea? I must, it must be a take on
• 25:45
  Theresa May. The whole idea of the Daleks, of
• 25:48
  the defence drones being rolled out across the world and then
• 25:51
  they all come evil and kill every.
• 25:54
  I mean, that's just delicious, I think.
• 25:56
  That was great. And I think it's that kind of,
• 25:58
  it's almost sort of an RTD slight thing where you've got
• 26:00
  that really familiar imagery of 10 Downing St. and then the
• 26:04
  Daleks there. I mean it's it's almost sort of
• 26:06
  Dalek invasion of Earth. Isn't it like seeing the Daleks
• 26:08
  in London and executing the Prime Minister, which I think in
• 26:12
  2021 quite a lot of people would have been quite yes.
• 26:17
  Whoever it was, I was punching the air.
• 26:19
  I mean, that's pure trailer for you, was the bit where she's
• 26:22
  shot and then the Dalek turns to the camera.
• 26:25
  She says we're taking over. Yeah.
• 26:27
  Wonderful stuff. It's almost like Daleks are the
• 26:29
  masters of Earth, sort of that. But like all the stuff about I,
• 26:33
  I mean, I thought some of this stuff is actually ongoing, like
• 26:36
  the stuff that about using the drones for civil unrest and
• 26:39
  things like that. We've just had a load of riots.
• 26:41
  I was like, oh, there's there's something to this idea.
• 26:44
  It's almost a shame. It's sort of wasted just here,
• 26:46
  but. Yeah, but you forget that I
• 26:48
  forgot I sort of had a brain fart and I forgot that this was
• 26:51
  actually filmed before COVID, because in my, in my mind, it
• 26:57
  was, it was, I was like, oh, it must be a satire on COVID,
• 26:59
  right? You've got like you've our hero
• 27:02
  is locked away in confinement. They can only go out for
• 27:06
  exercise like once a day. You've got dodgy government
• 27:10
  contracts. You've got broadcast from
• 27:12
  Downing's point. You've got How did he know?
• 27:14
  How did he know what was coming? Cells being created that then go
• 27:19
  across the world and cause, like, a devastating, you know,
• 27:22
  terrific, devastating thing. So I thought, oh, this must be,
• 27:25
  like, all. Especially when Jodie's in
• 27:27
  prison. Yeah.
• 27:28
  Do you imagine Chris Chipnall has a scrying glass where he can
• 27:31
  see into the future? He.
• 27:32
  Can maybe he does. Magic mirror on the wall riot.
• 27:37
  Yeah, let's make why. Can't you tell us?
• 27:38
  Why can't you tell us? Yeah, well, yeah, Chris, you
• 27:40
  could have walked out. Toilet paper.
• 27:42
  I mean, I, I cannot stress this enough and I always say it and
• 27:45
  I've had people not criticise me for it, but the, just the fact
• 27:48
  that that this production team risked bloody death to bring us
• 27:52
  Doctor Who during COVID. Come on, like.
• 27:55
  And I mean, one of the things I love, Jodie Ford, you remember
• 27:57
  that little video she did that she sent me?
• 27:59
  Shot gorgeous. Yeah.
• 28:01
  That makes me cry thinking about that.
• 28:02
  It's just to do that, thinking of kids that would be watching.
• 28:05
  I mean, I watched it. I was like, all right, Doctor.
• 28:08
  What did you say at the end? You've got this or something
• 28:10
  like that. Yeah, yeah, it's so good.
• 28:14
  She's if there was ever a moment where the doctor was like a
• 28:16
  symbol for the kids. Yeah, and like, people criticise
• 28:21
  this era for not having enough hero moments.
• 28:23
  You're like, come on, come on, There's plenty of hero moments.
• 28:26
  She literally falls out of the sky in through a train roof.
• 28:31
  The end of that episode she's there jumping cranes taking a
• 28:35
  piss out of his name. I mean, at the start of this
• 28:38
  one, you've, well, it's a flashback to to the previous
• 28:41
  festive special, but you know, it just it shows.
• 28:44
  It's just that constant hero moments.
• 28:46
  For her, I mean, just to make the bit at the end of this where
• 28:49
  all those Daleks fly into the TARDIS after, I mean, that is
• 28:52
  just great, that bit. And then she's this old bait and
• 28:55
  switch there where she's actually a hologram and then.
• 28:59
  I sound too much like Dylan Reece on this call, but are we
• 29:02
  sure that Disney didn't fund this era instead of the one to
• 29:06
  come? It looks so beautiful.
• 29:08
  It's gorgeous. But probably with not as much
• 29:12
  money obviously like the just the use of colour, like the
• 29:15
  blocked colours when you go like the greens, the purples, the
• 29:19
  Reds, the Blues. Really so gorgeous, gorgeous
• 29:23
  shots. I don't think it's looked
• 29:24
  better. When they're in that big way,
• 29:28
  you know where all the darling mutants are, where they're all
• 29:30
  being grown, all the colours in there are just great and it just
• 29:33
  feels vast. Yeah, and some bits where that
• 29:38
  Leo is talking to Chris Noff and that that is all blue and really
• 29:43
  dark and they don't go, do you know what?
• 29:44
  We're going to turn the light up.
• 29:45
  They just keep it keep it pretty dark.
• 29:48
  It's Leo, that really delicious man, who grows the Dalek.
• 29:52
  Yes, that one. So sad when he died, you know?
• 29:54
  Good grief. Yeah.
• 29:56
  Doctor didn't save him like he did with the previous.
• 29:58
  Person who'd been taking over for.
• 29:59
  Dalek the year before. He likes killing.
• 30:02
  There was a pretty man in resolution as well, that sort of
• 30:04
  policeman going on about his digits.
• 30:05
  Do you remember? Yeah, yeah.
• 30:07
  Yeah, you know Charlotte, what's her face from Ghosts is dragging
• 30:10
  him out of the warehouse. I was.
• 30:11
  Like, yeah. I mean that is 1 great thing
• 30:13
  about chips and Daleks, right? Unlike Moffit's Daleks, they
• 30:15
  murder a lot of people. I mean they are bad.
• 30:19
  Well, I like the fact in this that when they when the defence
• 30:21
  drone Daleks go bad, they just start indiscriminately murdering
• 30:25
  people. They're not like stop or please
• 30:28
  do this or negotiate. They're just like indescribable.
• 30:30
  Bang Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
• 30:31
  You see all those people in passport control just handing
• 30:34
  over their passports and being murdered in disguise.
• 30:37
  Tower of London just being blasted away.
• 30:39
  I couldn't believe they shot that there.
• 30:40
  You can see people falling. I mean, what do people think
• 30:43
  walking past? Yeah.
• 30:44
  What's going on over there? Let's start it.
• 30:46
  Completely. Dying left, right and centre.
• 30:49
  It's great. And what do you know?
• 30:50
  Do you know where that bridge is that they shot?
• 30:52
  You know, and. In Bristol I used to know it.
• 30:55
  Is Clifton? I did wonder.
• 30:57
  Oh, that is stunning. Well, look, should we go and
• 30:59
  watch this thing? All right?
• 31:00
  I mean, we're, we could wax lyrical before we go in, but we
• 31:03
  may as well watch it and wax lyrical while we're doing it.
• 31:07
  Would you do me the greatest of honours then?
• 31:09
  And count us in five or three seconds, whatever's your fancy.
• 31:13
  OK, 54321, let's go. We are off Am I so excited doing
• 31:22
  this with a new person? You know I'm in virgin territory
• 31:25
  here. I love this Star Wars sort of
• 31:27
  star. Take the piss though, isn't it?
• 31:31
  It's like the piss, yeah. He does like his big chunky
• 31:34
  font. Yeah, and it's the same font, I
• 31:36
  think. Isn't it across the across flux
• 31:38
  as well? I, you know, in resolution, I
• 31:43
  really felt that. I've always loved seconds music,
• 31:46
  but I really felt it. It went up a notch in that that
• 31:50
  his Dalek theme is just amazing. It's.
• 31:52
  Great, but his Dalek and his Cyberman theme are so good do.
• 31:56
  You think about this sort of junkyard chic Dalek here I.
• 31:59
  Quite like it. I do quite like it.
• 32:01
  I mean, I I think I like it better when it's defence drone
• 32:03
  one. It's a bit sort of blingy with
• 32:05
  the lights and the whatever. Oh, you like a bit of bling, Do?
• 32:08
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 32:09
  A bit of a bit of that. When you're not throwing it off
• 32:12
  in Tesco, that is. Sorry, that's a niche reference
• 32:15
  that no one will understand because they weren't at the
• 32:17
  start of this call. Here we go.
• 32:18
  Look, there's two people at GCHQ.
• 32:21
  There is, there is, but one is extremely hot, so we don't mind.
• 32:25
  Although did you notice, right how many times he sips his
• 32:28
  bloody tea just to make the point?
• 32:29
  This is an important plot point, all right.
• 32:32
  Check off check off teacup. Can I stop for a cup of tea?
• 32:37
  Because it's you. I wonder if that'll be
• 32:40
  important. You know, I mean, hang on.
• 32:42
  So I was trying to think this through because I think it's a
• 32:44
  good moment where where he gets drugged on the side of the road.
• 32:48
  But I'm like, so they must be overhearing this conversation,
• 32:51
  knowing he likes tea and having set up that wagon on the
• 32:55
  motorway. What if he stops at like Greg's
• 32:58
  for a sausage roll? They've got everywhere, Like on
• 33:01
  entire row from Cheltenham to wherever this depository place
• 33:04
  is. That one must have been like
• 33:05
  curses. You know, the McDonald's muffin?
• 33:08
  He stopped for that instead. Yeah, here he is going up the.
• 33:12
  Road like the idea though of the Dalek.
• 33:14
  The yeah, The Remains of the Dalek basically kick starting
• 33:18
  this story. Yeah, I think it's really nice
• 33:20
  because it's sort of, we haven't really had a festive special
• 33:22
  before where it sort of carries on from the previous one.
• 33:25
  So it's quite a nice, interesting idea to pick up from
• 33:27
  that because if you think you might have casual viewers who
• 33:29
  watch it at Christmas, I think, oh, I watched that last
• 33:32
  Christmas. I didn't watch much to the rest
• 33:34
  of the series, but I'm watching it again.
• 33:35
  I wonder if. If Chris Noff hadn't been
• 33:39
  cancelled as spectacularly as he was, if we might have got the
• 33:43
  third one, it's. My.
• 33:45
  Love Eva the Darling so much I don't care.
• 33:48
  Do you I I don't like? It Oh, you're mad.
• 33:51
  It's my favorite of the three. That's.
• 33:53
  It. Oh, no.
• 33:54
  Yeah. Well.
• 33:55
  Yeah, yeah. We can battle over that one
• 33:57
  another day, don't you worry. Yeah, no, here he is.
• 34:00
  He's gonna get poisoned. Oh, he's had a few too many.
• 34:04
  Few teas too. It's not the rape, no again.
• 34:06
  Oh God. What's that woman doing in that
• 34:09
  burger van in laybys to truckers?
• 34:13
  Who's she working for? Well, I suppose Chris Noff.
• 34:17
  Now. You make sure you're there on
• 34:21
  the A42. Slipping the tea 2 sugar.
• 34:26
  Tits now. I think he's dead.
• 34:30
  He must be dead, right? He doesn't come back.
• 34:32
  See. So shoved in the back of there,
• 34:34
  What happens to him? I.
• 34:35
  Mean people say Chris, Chris Chibble can't do economic
• 34:38
  character beats, but I really like the woman just going, oh,
• 34:41
  how's your mum? And he's like, yeah, yeah, she's
• 34:42
  all right, don't, don't ask too much.
• 34:44
  And then there's the picture of her in the car, isn't it?
• 34:46
  And that's all you need to know that she's she's clearly
• 34:49
  battling some sort of illness. Yeah, yeah.
• 34:51
  Which again, because I because this was, you know, during
• 34:53
  COVID, but they shot it a long time before.
• 34:55
  I was thinking, oh is it because his mum's is this sort of COVID
• 34:58
  reference? Do you see the?
• 35:00
  State of that Dalek. God.
• 35:04
  Have you ever had a morning like that?
• 35:06
  I have a few. Probably.
• 35:08
  What's your tipple, by the way? My tipple.
• 35:11
  Oh, I've got a little bit of Sauvignon Blanc going on down
• 35:14
  here. I don't drink at all, actually.
• 35:18
  That's what I put the BWS out of work.
• 35:20
  I'm the only one that ain't going to steal it.
• 35:23
  Lee Haven Joseph. Where do I know that name from?
• 35:26
  So he did Orphan 55 direct. Banger I.
• 35:32
  Love it. Danny.
• 35:34
  Hang on, hang on a bit, right? This is where people are going.
• 35:36
  Who is this man? Luke Collins don't like Eva the
• 35:39
  Daleks, but he does like Orphan 55.
• 35:42
  Well. The only reason I don't like Eva
• 35:43
  the Daleks is because things a bit creepy, like someone keeping
• 35:46
  their ex's stuff in a lock up. Oh, they are better not tell you
• 35:50
  what I've got about this. Place.
• 35:53
  You don't want to know. You really don't.
• 35:55
  Oh, no, no, I was joking then. By the way, I assume you love
• 35:59
  all of this clandestine meetings between Jack Robertson and the
• 36:03
  Prime Minister. I mean, yeah, Chris Noff, I
• 36:08
  mean, obviously pretty severe allegations made after this.
• 36:13
  Yeah, Chip N must have been like, oh, for God's sakes,
• 36:17
  you're like Paul. RTD East had to contend with
• 36:20
  Barrowman and Neil Clark. Paul Moffett's had to contend
• 36:24
  with Neil Gaiman. Yeah, and.
• 36:27
  Now this now. Yeah.
• 36:29
  Now this, I mean, it's yeah, You still talk about separating the
• 36:32
  art from the artist. It's.
• 36:34
  Can you? It's a.
• 36:35
  Tough one to do. I don't know.
• 36:37
  It does put a pretty big stain across this.
• 36:40
  Like I, I, I have had that discussion quite a few times.
• 36:44
  Like I'm a massive Buffy fan and I in no way endorse what a bully
• 36:48
  towards women Joss Whedon clearly was.
• 36:51
  But I still love Buffy, so it's like I kind of have to separate
• 36:55
  it because I love that show. And with things like this where
• 36:58
  it's so many people involved in it, you think you if you sort of
• 37:01
  cancel it, you're then taking away I suppose every, every
• 37:05
  actor, every talent in it. The Dalek.
• 37:08
  Oh, he's sexy. Bastard.
• 37:10
  A great design, isn't it? You know, there's a few people,
• 37:13
  you know a few crowds. I wouldn't mind jetting like
• 37:16
  this and gassing out. Wasn't this?
• 37:20
  Do you remember Boris Johnson bought those?
• 37:22
  Do you know he bought those water cannons to use?
• 37:25
  Is this? Taking the piss out of that.
• 37:27
  Well, I don't know, maybe it is because this sort of make a big
• 37:30
  thing about water cannons. I love this where it says about
• 37:32
  the we're not actually using CS gas.
• 37:35
  And it's just a demonstration, Brian, that that they they're
• 37:37
  all willing participants in this.
• 37:39
  Yeah, I think it's like a it's an exercise they've been paid to
• 37:42
  turn up and just pretend to be. Be tortured.
• 37:45
  Be. Tortured.
• 37:46
  Yeah, OK, I love it. CS gas.
• 37:48
  And he's like, we're not obviously using CS gas.
• 37:50
  And Chris Noff says it would have been fun.
• 37:52
  Don't. Know what I mean it?
• 37:54
  But you know, I think he is deliciously evil.
• 37:58
  I mean, he's such a cartoon character, isn't he?
• 38:00
  And that's my sort of villain who's just in no way plausible,
• 38:04
  but really fun to watch. I mean, like my favorite villain
• 38:07
  of all time is Harrison Chase, so.
• 38:10
  Oh. Do.
• 38:11
  You like playing in? Your green cathedral.
• 38:13
  Green Cathedral, Yeah, I love it.
• 38:17
  Yeah, he is great, Harrison Chase.
• 38:18
  But like we, I don't know if we get enough recurring sort of
• 38:23
  slimy villains in the new series.
• 38:24
  And I was happy to get one that obviously we've got the master
• 38:27
  that turns up all the time, but that's sort of gets a bit dull
• 38:30
  after a while. Well, they do love Sasha Duan.
• 38:34
  I think he is the best, one of the best that we've had.
• 38:37
  I. Think we've liked Sasha Duan for
• 38:39
  different reasons, you know? No, no, no.
• 38:42
  He's a God. He's a very intense actor, isn't
• 38:45
  he? Like, he's so good.
• 38:47
  He's he's. Kind of magnificent, Jodie, he's
• 38:49
  really good. Yeah.
• 38:51
  We see. We haven't seen Jodie, have we,
• 38:53
  Apart from the flashbacks. Yeah, yeah.
• 38:55
  And we're how? How long in?
• 38:57
  We're nearly 10 minutes in, about 8 minutes in.
• 39:00
  Yeah, we haven't seen her. I mean, it's obviously it's an
• 39:02
  extended length, isn't it? This one, it's a.
• 39:05
  It's a long one. They say, don't they, that she's
• 39:08
  been in the prison for how many years?
• 39:10
  Is it quite a long time? Like Jack says he spent like 19
• 39:14
  years trying to get to the cell next to her.
• 39:17
  And she's doing terrible crimes, he said.
• 39:19
  Oh. My God, I don't want.
• 39:22
  To think about it, let's just assume they were.
• 39:26
  She says it's been a difficult few decades.
• 39:29
  OK, but the only reason I think this works and I I really have
• 39:35
  issues with the 100 billion years or however long he was in
• 39:38
  that puzzle box for in Evanston punching Diamond, is that she's
• 39:42
  got stuff to deal with here. So maybe she's not trying to
• 39:45
  break out of that prison because she's got a lot to think about.
• 39:49
  Yeah, don't. Yeah, I think that's it because
• 39:51
  a lot of people say, oh, you know, having having Jack a man
• 39:54
  break her out, is that bad? She's the doctor.
• 39:58
  Why can't she break out sooner? But I think it's showing that
• 40:00
  she's been gone through real trauma.
• 40:02
  You know, the, the, the, what's going in, the Timeless Children,
• 40:05
  the stuff she's learned. She's just sort of depressed.
• 40:07
  She's stuck here. She doesn't want to break out.
• 40:09
  She could do if she wanted to, but she's probably just
• 40:12
  processing it all. There's a really great scene
• 40:15
  later in the episode between her and Ryan.
• 40:17
  It's basically her goodbye scene with Ryan because it's a group
• 40:21
  scene at the end where she tries to fob off what she's been
• 40:25
  through at the time as children. And he says, no, you're going to
• 40:27
  tell me about it. And it it really is weighing on
• 40:30
  her. So even though she's had all of
• 40:31
  this time, she hasn't quite come to terms with any of you.
• 40:35
  I love this prison stuff. It's shot so beautifully in the
• 40:39
  I think it looks great as well. I love her hair in this and the
• 40:41
  the outfit I think is brilliant. And then all the little Easter
• 40:44
  eggs you get in here. So good it it.
• 40:47
  Does feel like when she goes into the room with all the cages
• 40:50
  it looks huge. Yeah, yeah.
• 40:54
  But again, like I again, I misremembered thinking that this
• 40:57
  was shot during lockdown because I thought this must be some kind
• 41:00
  of satire on lockdown. That face that she's got, she's
• 41:03
  looking out the window. That is literally my face for
• 41:05
  about two years ago. Well, I can go out from going
• 41:09
  for a run. I'm.
• 41:10
  Working retail or I was still working out?
• 41:12
  I bet you. Yeah, yeah.
• 41:14
  No, actually, I was probably my saving grace, actually getting
• 41:16
  out every day. Did you see in that longshot
• 41:19
  there, what was that bristling sort of huge?
• 41:22
  Green thing. What is that?
• 41:25
  I paused it earlier on that look and you're like, all right, the
• 41:27
  nude. There's a pating.
• 41:29
  There's a sicker axe. I love the pating.
• 41:31
  I love the. Pating.
• 41:33
  So good. You'd think he'd be able to eat
• 41:35
  the whole prison really, wouldn't you?
• 41:36
  Yeah. Surely you can just eat through
• 41:37
  everything. Yeah.
• 41:39
  Oh, and then she reads herself a little bedtime story.
• 41:42
  Oh. Gee, obviously many things about
• 41:44
  this episode have not aged. I know it's not aged well if
• 41:47
  they. Really.
• 41:49
  Unless you're a huge fan of JK Rowling, of course, in which
• 41:51
  cases you'd be delighted to hear that the doctor makes herself
• 41:54
  Harry Potter to sleep. No, I don't think so.
• 41:58
  Yeah, look. I was never a fan of Harry
• 41:59
  Potter before all of this other nonsense.
• 42:04
  It's hard because like my son's quite likes it and it's it's
• 42:10
  really hard thing to sort of separate again the art from the
• 42:12
  artist because I just don't really care for it or her views,
• 42:17
  obviously. But yeah, something about to.
• 42:20
  Come to it, it is tricky isn't it?
• 42:22
  And I think increasingly so because there are social media
• 42:27
  means we are more Privy to creators thoughts and opinions
• 42:32
  than ever before. And I think it's really hard
• 42:34
  that musicians, you know, Nicki Minaj recently standing there
• 42:38
  next to Trump, go in with. The gold trump gold card.
• 42:41
  He's hit. Yeah.
• 42:42
  And immigrants saying, oh, it's all right, you know, that the
• 42:44
  immigrants are being separated from their kids.
• 42:46
  That's fine. What?
• 42:49
  Yeah. I mean, I I know people that
• 42:51
  listened to her music. They were just appalled.
• 42:53
  Yeah, yeah. Oh, look at this.
• 42:56
  It could. It's like Brookside close in it
• 42:58
  that they've got. I know what.
• 42:59
  Were they thinking of when they're all the people in that
• 43:01
  close? Thinking of when suddenly this
• 43:02
  house turned up and do you remember at the end of the time
• 43:05
  as children there are those two sort of cyber war refugees who.
• 43:09
  Oh yes, the one that Graham was floating with.
• 43:12
  Where do they go? Somewhere in the 21st century on
• 43:16
  Earth. Not Judy Graham playing her.
• 43:18
  You know, she'd be on white. Yeah, She'd get a lot of work.
• 43:21
  She's probably an actress now. You know, she might play Ruby
• 43:23
  White in The Sarah Jane Adventures.
• 43:25
  You never know. Yeah.
• 43:28
  Oh, such a gorgeous design though, that Tardis as.
• 43:30
  Soon as you see those roundels, you know.
• 43:33
  I mean, I like Jodie Sardis. I'm not too sure about those
• 43:36
  enormous penises that come down and attack her every time.
• 43:38
  Hello though. It's sort of the big OH.
• 43:40
  You like enormous penises, do you?
• 43:41
  He. Doesn't I do like this sort of,
• 43:47
  it's sort of retro back to Hartnell, but it's not quite.
• 43:51
  It's sort of what you might remember it that being.
• 43:54
  What do you think is happening with Yasir?
• 43:58
  I think she's been a detective, you know, maybe that's what
• 44:01
  she's reverted to. She's, she's a copper by trade.
• 44:04
  So maybe she's doing what she knows how and she's just trying
• 44:06
  to work it out. I mean, if I was her and I had a
• 44:09
  TARDIS, an infinite sized TARDIS to be in, I might just live in
• 44:14
  there and be happy. I mean, she, they seem to imply
• 44:18
  that she's sleeping there on the floor, which means I think it's
• 44:22
  gone beyond detective. So I think she's in love with
• 44:25
  the doctor and she will keep working until she gets her back.
• 44:29
  There's a, a scene in The Haunting of Villa Deodata, which
• 44:32
  is what, 3 episodes back, where Yasi's talking about someone
• 44:35
  special in her life that she has strong feelings for.
• 44:40
  And I think that and then this and then obviously we go into
• 44:44
  flux and it all. Blossoms.
• 44:45
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Suppose if you're her, you
• 44:48
  don't, you know, we're like, oh, she's been gone 10 months.
• 44:51
  That's not that long. If you're her and you think
• 44:53
  she's never coming back, potentially you might have lost
• 44:56
  her forever. This is a gorgeous shot.
• 44:58
  The shot in the woods, in the forest.
• 45:00
  Yes, secret meetings in the woods.
• 45:03
  That long shot back with the lights on the side just looks
• 45:06
  beautiful. You've had any secret meetings
• 45:08
  in the woods, Luke? I'd be so lucky.
• 45:13
  Grinder, You know it's all the woods these days.
• 45:15
  Well, everyone's married, you know.
• 45:17
  Oh, sorry. I lost my wedding ring, where
• 45:20
  does Lucy? In the woods.
• 45:22
  She ain't going to listen to this is she?
• 45:25
  Bloody hoped off hope. Yeah, me too.
• 45:28
  I've already got enough wives coming after me, you know when
• 45:31
  these things go out. But though I also like as well
• 45:36
  that there is an entire plot going on here, away from the
• 45:39
  Doctor and away from the companions, that sort of builds
• 45:42
  and builds and builds. I mean, it's slightly the
• 45:47
  obviously the Joe character here, the Prime Minister is the
• 45:51
  only person we see from the government or any of that at
• 45:54
  all. Like I, I sort of they're really
• 45:57
  economical with the cast. If you think about it, if you go
• 45:59
  beyond the kind of the the regulars and Jack, then there's
• 46:04
  not that many other people. But like, people are expensive,
• 46:07
  aren't they? I think, you know, lots of
• 46:10
  speaking bars, it's really expensive and they're just
• 46:12
  putting the money in other places.
• 46:14
  What he wants at the end of this, he wants huge scale with
• 46:17
  two lots of Daleks fighting each other.
• 46:20
  Boy, does he give it to us. So good.
• 46:24
  Yeah. So Kristenoff is basically just
• 46:27
  on his own. There's.
• 46:29
  Suddenly some people with guns turn up, but then they just walk
• 46:34
  away. I mean, I don't want to pick it
• 46:36
  too much but but it's just only you know.
• 46:39
  God, I'm getting look at these guns on the streets.
• 46:41
  I'm getting ice new flashbacks. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 46:46
  That's horrific. Isn't it just horrific?
• 46:49
  Not. Yeah.
• 46:51
  Whoever said that they should be allowed to carry guns in
• 46:55
  America, well, they need shooting, frankly.
• 46:58
  You do think like, how are they carrying guns here in England?
• 47:03
  Well, it's a very rich man, you know, It'll make the problems go
• 47:06
  away. Yeah.
• 47:07
  Yeah. So they've got, hang on, they're
• 47:09
  going. We've got no TARDIS.
• 47:10
  We've got no Doctor. I love that when Graham goes to
• 47:13
  Tardis, isn't it? Do you know?
• 47:17
  I thought that was Sharda when I first watched it.
• 47:19
  I know I do as well. Well they don't say confirm or
• 47:22
  deny otherwise do they? So in my mind it is Sharda
• 47:25
  because the Judoon who the Judoon working for, are they
• 47:27
  working for the time laws for division, are they?
• 47:30
  Sally Avon, I believe the great Time Lord war cream.
• 47:34
  Otherwise. Owners.
• 47:35
  Professor Cronotis. Yeah.
• 47:38
  What's she eating there? Did you see that?
• 47:40
  Looked like a bit of Mississippi mud pie.
• 47:43
  That's isn't it like a bit of chocolate brownies?
• 47:44
  So it's like a random brown. Cube Do you like chocolate?
• 47:47
  Brownies. I do love chocolate brownies.
• 47:50
  Me too. Oh.
• 47:52
  You got excited about something then?
• 47:53
  Oh, yes, Jack, there's less, there's less.
• 47:58
  I think there are less problematic things with John
• 48:00
  Barrowman, but enough of a problem that you still wince a
• 48:05
  bit when you're watching it going, oh OK.
• 48:08
  Two, but as soon as you came on I did almost sort of punch the
• 48:12
  air because it it just lifts immediately.
• 48:14
  It gets really exciting. I mean, well, there's slightly
• 48:17
  you know, isn't he meant to be in the cell next to us?
• 48:20
  I don't know why I was to find her here with his whatever this
• 48:23
  ball thing is, but. Who cares?
• 48:26
  They walk through all the walls in a massive bubble.
• 48:30
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 48:31
  Well, suddenly now she's being the doctor again, you know,
• 48:33
  quipping. Running.
• 48:34
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And sometimes it's, I'm
• 48:38
  thinking, are these lines directed at Captain Jack or are
• 48:42
  they directed at John Barrowman? It's like, what about the
• 48:44
  surgery and things? Yeah, there was a great bit
• 48:49
  actually. I I just howled when Yas when
• 48:52
  it's not your needy. What does she say you need a?
• 48:54
  Lot of yeah, yeah, yeah, it is. You need a lot of them, right?
• 48:58
  That is not aimed at Jack Harkness, all right.
• 49:00
  No, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
• 49:03
  I'll bucker it that you do know we're out.
• 49:05
  Let's go. Yeah, How did you smuggle that
• 49:07
  in here? Do you really want to answer
• 49:09
  that? I've got a little look she gets.
• 49:15
  I don't even want to think about it.
• 49:17
  And that's me saying that. I mean, you already pulled that
• 49:20
  that laser out of his ass in great.
• 49:24
  I mean, he must have been douching, right?
• 49:26
  It was very clean. Sorry, sorry, sorry.
• 49:30
  You knew what you were getting into, right?
• 49:32
  Coming into. This.
• 49:33
  Yeah, yeah, but a bit of Pulp Fiction with crystal Walk on
• 49:35
  these sticks. I step that watch up my ass.
• 49:39
  Quiet mood. Is this where Leo goes?
• 49:44
  Yes, I've had a bit of a sideline in Dalek Mutants.
• 49:49
  Yeah, yeah. And he has to go Disney for
• 49:55
  being too clever. And he says that's why people
• 49:57
  don't like experts, which is I think Michael Gove said that.
• 50:01
  Oh. Really.
• 50:02
  And it become like a a phrase that was, you know, we don't
• 50:05
  like experts. I think we do quite like
• 50:07
  experts. I hear a lot of people say that
• 50:10
  chippers can't really do political satire.
• 50:12
  I just think he's more subtle about it than yeah, yeah, you
• 50:16
  know, than the big fat windbags in Downing St., in Odeons, in
• 50:20
  London. Yeah.
• 50:21
  I mean, I do find that fun as well, but obviously there's
• 50:26
  obviously slightly more subtleness here.
• 50:28
  Who this? I scraped away this bit of
• 50:31
  residue, right? And then I just had to cultivate
• 50:35
  it and and grow it and look what I've got.
• 50:38
  Yeah, it's beautiful thing. The second that started growing,
• 50:41
  I'll be like no, no. Burn it.
• 50:44
  Kill it with fire immediately. The scene that I thought was
• 50:46
  really strong was when he takes it down to the incinerator and I
• 50:52
  thought actually. Felt sympathetic.
• 50:54
  Yeah, I was like. Please don't.
• 50:56
  Burn that bloody thing. Now, I love the scenes here
• 50:59
  where it's the blue and it's dark and you can almost not see
• 51:02
  their faces. It's shot so beautifully in the
• 51:04
  red in the background. It's just so beautifully done
• 51:08
  and I think it's probably quite cost effective because you're
• 51:10
  just lighting it with colours, but it's gorgeous.
• 51:13
  One of my big criticisms of RTD 2 was that the contrast just
• 51:19
  went up on everything. Everything was so bright.
• 51:21
  Like we were talking before about the Time Hotel episode.
• 51:25
  It's so bright, there's no atmosphere in it at all.
• 51:27
  Look. Remember that moment where sort
• 51:30
  of from RTD we started to get to like Matt Smith and they started
• 51:33
  to turn the lights down? It's.
• 51:35
  Quite nice now with this shot here.
• 51:38
  It's beautiful with the blue and the red around it.
• 51:41
  You know the the trouble with when you got to Capaldi is they
• 51:45
  they found filters. Suddenly everything was going
• 51:47
  through ugly blue, brown, grey filters.
• 51:51
  I was like, Oh yeah, yeah. Whereas these are lit very
• 51:54
  cinematically, aren't they? It's all lighting sources within
• 51:57
  the set. Yeah, it's gorgeous.
• 51:59
  It's really useful. And that sort of face huggery
• 52:03
  Dalek again back, which I just, it's so good that he's found
• 52:07
  something new to do with something that is, you know,
• 52:10
  from 1963 that he's come up with a chip more effectively to do
• 52:14
  something that is the body horror, the kind of the
• 52:16
  possession, a whole new thing to make Daleks scary again
• 52:19
  effectively. In in revolution revolution.
• 52:23
  I always it's not. Revolution.
• 52:25
  The first one not evolution, not.
• 52:28
  Not Eve, no. In the last Dalek episode, when
• 52:34
  of course I'm Charlotte, Richie was that first scene when you
• 52:37
  see the tentacles going over and then music rising and Nick
• 52:41
  Briggs is doing a really sinister to my voice.
• 52:44
  Horrible. I was like, Chibis, you've got
• 52:46
  it. You just got.
• 52:47
  It just got it, and in this the guy plays Leo, I think does a
• 52:51
  really good job when he's possessed the sort of little
• 52:53
  flicker of the eyelids and the slightly different sort of
• 52:56
  mannerisms. This is horrible.
• 52:59
  It's horrible. He's going to kill it.
• 53:00
  He's basically, he's grown this thing and then it just grabs
• 53:03
  him. You deserve this, Leo.
• 53:05
  All right. Yeah.
• 53:08
  Oh, now I'm going to give you 15,000,000 points if you can
• 53:12
  tell me the line that he says to his wife.
• 53:15
  Oh, kiss the children for me. You know some of them.
• 53:18
  I love them. What's that from?
• 53:19
  From Classic Who? Under fear.
• 53:22
  Oh, 50 million points for that man.
• 53:24
  It's so good that the director in Hand of fear gives that
• 53:27
  amazing speech where he's like, Yep, I'll be.
• 53:30
  Hoped you may have You may have turned your back on Doctor Who
• 53:33
  for a sizeable period of time, but it never left you at all,
• 53:37
  really. Never left me.
• 53:38
  No, it's so good. It's so good.
• 53:41
  This it is. I don't know whether it's a
• 53:42
  direct call back to it, but it has the same kind of.
• 53:45
  It's, it's doing the same thing, isn't it?
• 53:47
  It's, well, I mean he's not taken over by a dog like In Hand
• 53:50
  of Fear, but God that Muir is so gross.
• 53:53
  So gross with his sort of legs around him.
• 53:55
  Well, it's it's like the body sort of pulses I.
• 53:59
  Really like the TARDIS lit like this now where the where it's
• 54:02
  sort of not on that kind of like dark blue light.
• 54:06
  It's really nice. I kind of like that.
• 54:07
  I felt that as time went on they just figured out how to light it
• 54:11
  better and better. Initially it was a bit tricky
• 54:14
  and they didn't really know how to shoot it either.
• 54:16
  When you got to stuff like do you remember the when it was
• 54:19
  some different colours in Can You Hear Me?
• 54:22
  Really atmospheric Blues and Reds?
• 54:24
  I did. Really like remember when she
• 54:26
  first walks into it in the Ghost monument?
• 54:28
  It's like a lovely shop. It's it's sort of hazy shot and
• 54:32
  it's dark in the background you haven't yet seen and she wanders
• 54:34
  in. It's it's like a really
• 54:36
  cinematic, beautiful, beautiful show.
• 54:38
  I don't. I think as Tardises go, I don't
• 54:43
  know whether I I think I like, I really like it, but I don't know
• 54:46
  they love it. But I definitely don't hate it.
• 54:49
  What's your favorite then? Favorite.
• 54:51
  I did quite like, yeah. I do, that's probably my
• 54:54
  favorite. It's the new series.
• 54:56
  But the new series, yeah. I know.
• 54:58
  I'm not sure I can top that very first one.
• 55:00
  You know, when they go in an hour for the child.
• 55:02
  I just think I know. It's so.
• 55:03
  Big. It's well northless.
• 55:06
  Or it's just like a photographic projection on the wall.
• 55:09
  Underground Williams era. We're in a cupboard and a black
• 55:11
  cupboard, you know, with a safe in it.
• 55:14
  Yeah, or you get to like Cartmel and we're just not going to use
• 55:17
  it at all. Can.
• 55:18
  You imagine that vapor is coming out of that.
• 55:20
  Is it sort of like a a humidifier on the console do?
• 55:23
  You like vaping? Cherry bait.
• 55:27
  Oh, we both said cherry. OK.
• 55:29
  Oh. Delicious flavour.
• 55:32
  Yeah, he deserves a few cherry chapsticks in my time.
• 55:36
  So Jack here is in his prison overalls and then the next scene
• 55:39
  is in his Jack Captain Jack costume.
• 55:42
  Yeah, he nicked off to the to the wardrobe room from the
• 55:46
  Christmas Invasion. Yeah, and he just left a spare
• 55:48
  coat in there maybe. Oh, do you remember the preview
• 55:52
  for this in Doctor Room magazine?
• 55:54
  All chippers gave them. Was this picture of the three of
• 55:56
  their members table. I was.
• 55:57
  Like boring. I mean, Chris, come on, you had
• 56:02
  so many images, you could have given them from this.
• 56:05
  Like from the prison or all those.
• 56:06
  I tell you what though, this scene, I loved it.
• 56:08
  Like when I was a kid, I used to dream of this.
• 56:11
  What landing in your would? Come and you know, land in the
• 56:13
  front room. God yeah, a lovely just
• 56:16
  literally get up off your sofa and go and have adventures.
• 56:18
  Yeah, yeah, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
• 56:20
  It's so good. And I love seeing it in in like
• 56:22
  a domestic setting like this. It's so when it lands.
• 56:26
  You look at all this lens flare, they got rid of this pretty
• 56:28
  quickly. It irritates me greatly.
• 56:31
  It's, I know it's really sort of digital and not real.
• 56:35
  JJ Abrams Star Trek movies have got a lot to answer for I.
• 56:39
  Know it went out favour quite quickly I love what he said
• 56:43
  Graham he says hello silver fox it's.
• 56:46
  A slight moment of gay panic there on his face.
• 56:48
  You know, only a little bit. Yeah, I don't know if he's sort
• 56:51
  of maybe going to go with it, but.
• 56:53
  Yeah, it's shovering the doctor. She is livid.
• 56:56
  That's. What my cats are like if I go
• 56:58
  away for a weekend, I. Didn't need for two days.
• 57:05
  Yeah. Oh dear.
• 57:08
  I love this team, though I really don't.
• 57:10
  Well, I mean, I love Dan as well, but.
• 57:13
  Yeah, I don't know, like. A little family.
• 57:16
  Yeah, it felt like a little family.
• 57:17
  You can imagine them recording all this together, starting
• 57:19
  together. It's really good.
• 57:22
  They're so, yeah, I do love them.
• 57:25
  And I don't, you know what? I think some people sort of
• 57:27
  slightly worry that that Jack is a bit crowbarred into this, but
• 57:30
  I quite like it. And I quite like the diamond
• 57:32
  when he comes into it. Well, because I think Yas is
• 57:35
  going through stuff here, so the chat that they have in Japan
• 57:39
  where he says to her, it's a really well scripted, if I ever
• 57:43
  said one huge favourable thing about Chris Schipnall is those
• 57:47
  one-on-one dialogue moments, the character moments, he can
• 57:51
  absolutely ace those. Some people not, I know some
• 57:54
  people aren't too on them, but I like them.
• 57:56
  I think gives the time room to breathe.
• 57:59
  People like very operatic characterisation in the new
• 58:02
  series, don't they? And this is all a bit more.
• 58:06
  Yeah, I love when he walks in this green thing.
• 58:09
  You can hear a little noise in the background.
• 58:11
  It's exactly like in Genesis where Tom looks through that
• 58:13
  little green window and the little noises it sounds.
• 58:17
  I don't know whether they used the same one or not.
• 58:19
  Look at the. Size of this?
• 58:20
  Plane. Now is this a an enormous space
• 58:25
  that they filmed in or BA judicious use of CGII?
• 58:30
  Think CGII. Think so, but it looks, I mean,
• 58:33
  compare it to when they did something similar in New Earth
• 58:37
  with all those booths. Yeah, we've come so far.
• 58:40
  Come all the way. Oh, I do love that as well.
• 58:45
  It's just a bit where she goes, yes, we're going to go nuclear
• 58:48
  now and I've got a quite a good plan.
• 58:52
  Oh, is it later? I bloody love that bit.
• 58:55
  And then what? You're going to bring a load of
• 58:57
  Daleks. That is where Jack mentions
• 58:59
  Rose. Well, yes.
• 59:02
  And he goes, Oh yeah, I can't die.
• 59:05
  I'm not sure why he had to mention that she was in a
• 59:07
  parallel universe like. Yeah.
• 59:11
  All right, Mr. Wiki. Yeah, it's full of exposition.
• 59:17
  Well, I like how that he quite likes yes, doesn't he?
• 59:19
  I think he sort of takes a shine to her in this, the character.
• 59:23
  Oh, Jack, yeah, yeah, I mean, and Ryan's there.
• 59:26
  What's he doing, Ryan? He's very pretty.
• 59:31
  Has he got on to have a career? I know Mandy Gill's just done a
• 59:35
  good BBC comedy. Yeah, I think he has done a few
• 59:38
  things tossing Cole. I think he's sort of having a
• 59:41
  look. He's Wikipedia earlier and he
• 59:42
  has done some stuff because I think there's a Is there a bit
• 59:45
  in this? You never had the beautiful
• 59:46
  conversation together later on. I think that might have been a
• 59:49
  reshoot. He.
• 59:52
  Was doing something else at the time, which is why he's wearing
• 59:54
  that beanie hat. I just adore the fact that his
• 59:59
  last shot is him falling off the bike on that hill and.
• 1:00:01
  Why couldn't they let him ride I?
• 1:00:04
  Was laughing my head off. Oh so you love it?
• 1:00:08
  Every time he sees him, he goes oh, not you guys again.
• 1:00:15
  No, I haven't quite got my head around 3D printing.
• 1:00:18
  Perhaps you could give me a crash course now on the?
• 1:00:20
  I don't think I have either. It's sort of, I don't not sure
• 1:00:24
  you can. Can you 3D print something this
• 1:00:26
  big? It looks like, well, they've got
• 1:00:29
  these dialects laid out like it's some kind of Doctor Who fan
• 1:00:33
  sort of event with a little bit of tape around them, like, oh,
• 1:00:36
  have a look at this. Now I'm going to sound like a
• 1:00:38
  real Simpson Luke, so apologies. Is it making things out of
• 1:00:41
  lasers? No.
• 1:00:44
  OK, I. Think it's like a very thin
• 1:00:45
  little string of plastic which is sort of like laid down fine
• 1:00:50
  layer I think I think. Well, there you go.
• 1:00:53
  Keep saying they're empty here and I think, weren't these
• 1:00:55
  actually actually empty like these versions were remote
• 1:00:58
  control? I think, I think they did the
• 1:01:01
  sort of the test with the previous Dalek story because
• 1:01:05
  that didn't have anyone in it either and it went so well.
• 1:01:07
  They were like, Riot, let's have an army.
• 1:01:09
  Yeah, slightly unfair if you're a dialogue operator.
• 1:01:14
  Oh, and there was a really economic bit of back story as
• 1:01:19
  well where he says to the Prime Minister, oh, all of my car
• 1:01:24
  factories that got shut down. Now we've found a good use for
• 1:01:28
  all of the equipment. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Which again, another, another bit of satire because I think
• 1:01:32
  wasn't it like the Sunderland Nissan plant or whatever was
• 1:01:34
  going on at the time? I think there was something
• 1:01:35
  going on. OK, yeah, at the time.
• 1:01:38
  What's going on? Here we go.
• 1:01:39
  This. Is the great?
• 1:01:42
  I think it's great. Like he hasn't only had a
• 1:01:43
  facelift, has he? He's also had an acting
• 1:01:45
  transplant as well. I think in this John Barrowman.
• 1:01:48
  Maybe it's just the writing, like as Jim has written for him
• 1:01:52
  before. I don't.
• 1:01:52
  He hasn't. Yeah, I suppose.
• 1:01:53
  Torchwood. Oh.
• 1:01:55
  Of course he has. Yeah, he wrote Cyberwoman,
• 1:01:58
  didn't he? And day one.
• 1:01:59
  Best episode ever. That's that's sarcasm.
• 1:02:03
  That's sarcasm, by the way. I could still remember the night
• 1:02:06
  that went out. I've just.
• 1:02:07
  Gone the whole thing from. Coming.
• 1:02:10
  I went let's me done and I haven't really watched Torture
• 1:02:12
  since. Then, but really, you know what?
• 1:02:14
  Mid season he wrote one called countryside, which was about a
• 1:02:16
  load of cannibals out in the in the countryside.
• 1:02:19
  Fucking terrifying. It was the best horror they did.
• 1:02:24
  So he's he's hit and miss, but when are you here?
• 1:02:28
  Yeah, there is AI mean. I really love this acting out.
• 1:02:31
  He's a really nice scene. But there is something like
• 1:02:33
  Jackson says, you don't get to choose when the doctor leaves
• 1:02:37
  and you think, well, Ryan and Greg are literally about to do
• 1:02:39
  that at the end of the episodes. She was about the end.
• 1:02:44
  Yeah, you was wrong, Jack. I do love, though, that he says
• 1:02:47
  to her. Do you know what I mean?
• 1:02:50
  How many people are there? And we're the lucky ones.
• 1:02:52
  We're the ones to get to travel with the Doctor.
• 1:02:54
  And you don't really think about it that way.
• 1:02:55
  Do you think anyone could be a companion?
• 1:02:57
  Actually, there's only about 60 of them.
• 1:02:59
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:03:01
  And again, it's some of these things you sort of think, are
• 1:03:03
  you saying this to the character or to the actor?
• 1:03:07
  Yes. Yeah, yeah, but Mandib's no
• 1:03:11
  slouch. No.
• 1:03:13
  She's so good. She is really good.
• 1:03:16
  I I think she when she's in situations where she has to be
• 1:03:21
  fearful, there's scenes in the flux season.
• 1:03:25
  God Village of the Angels and Aneva the Daleks, where she just
• 1:03:29
  has to with like a single tear and she's shaking.
• 1:03:33
  I I think she's compelling to watch, man and girl.
• 1:03:36
  A little bit like sort of the way Elizabeth Sladen could do,
• 1:03:39
  yeah, terror, but also bravery at the same time.
• 1:03:44
  And she can do comedy as well. Do you remember when they were
• 1:03:46
  coming in on those rope pulleys in flocks?
• 1:03:50
  Hello, so I'm guessing that this isn't Japan in real life but.
• 1:03:58
  I know this is Cardiff, the only one that gives me a slight sort
• 1:04:01
  of suspension of disbelief issue.
• 1:04:05
  Maybe because it looks a little bit like the building around the
• 1:04:07
  corner from where Chris Noth is. Oh, it's around the corner to
• 1:04:12
  fill the reason. For that, you know, oh, do you
• 1:04:14
  know who's the square in the scun?
• 1:04:16
  Square in the scun. I love.
• 1:04:17
  This. I love the fact she's not
• 1:04:18
  impressed either. She's like, all right, whatever.
• 1:04:21
  You need a lot, Do I? Do you not remember when this
• 1:04:26
  went out? Barrowman was all over his
• 1:04:28
  social media, right? Filming himself watching the
• 1:04:31
  episode start? Yes, I'm back on the TV again.
• 1:04:34
  It. Was meant to be a bit of a
• 1:04:36
  surprise, wasn't it? But he was basically all over
• 1:04:38
  his social media going here I am.
• 1:04:42
  Are you? Are you feeling insecure because
• 1:04:44
  you seem to need a lot of praise?
• 1:04:46
  I have a sneaky suspicion, because I think Moffett was very
• 1:04:50
  savvy behind the scenes, that he knew what was coming.
• 1:04:55
  I think there was a reason why Moffett didn't hire him.
• 1:04:58
  He should have just tipped Chris the wink and went.
• 1:05:01
  There's a shitstorm coming, all right?
• 1:05:03
  Yeah, also we've got the Prime Minister at the front of Downing
• 1:05:06
  St., which is something we sort of we've got a bit, well, not
• 1:05:09
  outside Downing St. We've got a bit used to during
• 1:05:11
  lockdown, a lot of prime ministerial broadcasts.
• 1:05:14
  What do you imagine this is just a sort of facade they built in
• 1:05:16
  the studio? Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:05:19
  Or whether it's because there are sort of a couple of number
• 1:05:22
  10s they use, don't they, I think.
• 1:05:24
  Would you mind, Boris, if we just shot there with a few
• 1:05:27
  Daleks? We're going to be at the Tower
• 1:05:29
  of London next week, so we could just come round and.
• 1:05:34
  But she's great. Do you know?
• 1:05:35
  So Harriet Walter the The Who plays Joe here?
• 1:05:38
  Apparently her uncle is Christopher Lee.
• 1:05:42
  Really. Oh my God, I'm going to have a
• 1:05:44
  look now and see. I can see.
• 1:05:46
  I mean, it's a great performance.
• 1:05:48
  She's not sort of gnashing the scenery like Chris.
• 1:05:52
  Not so it's a, it's a different sort of villainy.
• 1:05:56
  She just wants to be in charge. Doesn't she quietly annoyed that
• 1:05:59
  he gets a trip in the TARDIS? That feels like something that
• 1:06:01
  should be, you know, reserved for your favorite characters
• 1:06:04
  rather than Chris Noff. I fucking love the ending
• 1:06:08
  though, where he goes yes I, you know, put myself out there to
• 1:06:11
  defeat the Daleks. Everybody please give me a
• 1:06:14
  knighthood. What a twat I.
• 1:06:18
  Know. Oh, this was a great speech.
• 1:06:20
  Daleks are insidious and clever. Like hate, they'll spread until
• 1:06:25
  they can't be stopped. This is it.
• 1:06:29
  Here's our clickbait scene. Yeah, the exterminating the
• 1:06:32
  Prime Minister. I mean, how many prime ministers
• 1:06:34
  were we killed in Doctor Who? Probably quite a few.
• 1:06:37
  He was killed in Aliens of London, wasn't he?
• 1:06:39
  They found him hanging up in the cupboard.
• 1:06:41
  Yeah, and I suppose the master is Harold Saxon.
• 1:06:46
  Oh yeah, he got shot. Maybe.
• 1:06:47
  Yeah. This is probably the most public
• 1:06:52
  execution though. Yes, yeah, on live TV, as it
• 1:06:55
  says on the screen. Live at Downing St. on the BBC.
• 1:06:58
  You mentioned the papers, the next slide, defence stones.
• 1:07:03
  Attack. Little flashback here, maybe to
• 1:07:07
  the planet net cross feeding, dead bodies being turned.
• 1:07:14
  That's grizzly as well, isn't it?
• 1:07:15
  I mean, the Daleks in Shipnell's time are, if you'll forgive me,
• 1:07:20
  fuckers, aren't they? I mean, they're horrible.
• 1:07:23
  And scary for the first time in years.
• 1:07:26
  As they should be. I mean this.
• 1:07:28
  Like here with this creeping dark like.
• 1:07:33
  Imagine being a 5 year old watching this look behind you.
• 1:07:37
  On New Year's Day. Starting the new year, face
• 1:07:42
  huggers, come on. Well, supposed to be the first
• 1:07:47
  time I've had face huggers in the Christmas or festive
• 1:07:49
  special. This is gripe Beam.
• 1:07:51
  She goes to get it off and look, he's on her back.
• 1:07:53
  God Almighty. Doesn't doesn't take them over.
• 1:07:59
  Maybe they're sort of, I don't know, dormant or something at
• 1:08:02
  that stage. They're not fully developed
• 1:08:03
  maybe. Oh, Luke, I love them.
• 1:08:06
  That's. So good.
• 1:08:08
  Crazy. Shot there.
• 1:08:10
  Was you talking about last Christmas there when you said
• 1:08:13
  face huggers? Yes, yeah, that was a good
• 1:08:16
  episode. That was good, Yeah.
• 1:08:20
  So Prime Minister, going to be. Done.
• 1:08:22
  Love that once they all start going bad and killing people she
• 1:08:25
  still tries to bluff it. That's she, Yes.
• 1:08:28
  It's all right, don't worry. Technical issues, you know.
• 1:08:32
  I love the fact that they just indiscriminately kill people.
• 1:08:35
  It's properly evil. They don't just, they don't sort
• 1:08:37
  of go negotiate with people. They're just, we're going to
• 1:08:40
  exterminate anyone and everything.
• 1:08:43
  Esprit and I like the fact as well that we think of them as
• 1:08:46
  the Daleks and then the gold Daleks turn up and then they're
• 1:08:52
  just impurities to be swept aside, these things.
• 1:08:56
  Yeah, a bit like Remembrance again, the whole sort of Dalek
• 1:08:58
  Civil War and you. Are so deep at this point, Luke.
• 1:09:05
  Or that lovely scene with Ryan, I think.
• 1:09:08
  Actually, her hair is a different length.
• 1:09:10
  Yeah. I think this is a reshoot
• 1:09:12
  possibly because they did like a test shoot during COVID, I think
• 1:09:16
  to see whether they could do it safely.
• 1:09:19
  And I think maybe this was it. So this was a little bit after
• 1:09:21
  as I think, I don't know if certain, but yeah, look at how
• 1:09:25
  it's different, isn't it? It's longer.
• 1:09:26
  Really pleased that you have this moment though.
• 1:09:30
  And again, it's just a quiet, gentle character scene, but
• 1:09:33
  where he goes basically, you know, I've had ten months at
• 1:09:35
  home. It's all established here now,
• 1:09:38
  Yeah. I've sort of made peace with my
• 1:09:40
  dad, although it does remind me a little bit of, you know, it
• 1:09:45
  might keep her track And oligopolis with Matthew
• 1:09:47
  Waterhouse and Tom Baker. Go on.
• 1:09:51
  Sort of just the fact that those characters have been that
• 1:09:53
  conversation, you wouldn't usually have those characters
• 1:09:56
  together and you get those. Oh, I see what you mean.
• 1:09:59
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a bit weird that it's those
• 1:10:01
  two, yeah. You don't often get many scenes
• 1:10:04
  where it's just Ryan and the Doctor, no.
• 1:10:06
  But because he's going like it's kind of necessary.
• 1:10:10
  I just like that he calls her out.
• 1:10:11
  He goes, no, no, no, we ain't. We ain't pushing this to the
• 1:10:14
  side. That's what you always do.
• 1:10:15
  Tell me what happens. It's strange that you don't get
• 1:10:19
  sort of any extra with Graham though.
• 1:10:21
  Although she does have a lot of moments for Graham like in.
• 1:10:24
  Those two seasons previously, yeah, yeah.
• 1:10:26
  Bloody love, Graham, you know, Yeah.
• 1:10:28
  He's so good. Those ridiculous laser shoes.
• 1:10:32
  Yes. But then it's something like
• 1:10:36
  Punjab where he has to get Prem ready for the wedding and
• 1:10:41
  knowing that he's going to die that day and he, God, he breaks
• 1:10:44
  my heart. Bradley.
• 1:10:45
  Walsh do that kind of humour and then the seriousness at the same
• 1:10:48
  time and then ingladiated as well.
• 1:10:51
  So, you know Chase. The chase, yeah, I was always
• 1:10:57
  hoping it was the woman. You know when they show you who
• 1:10:59
  it is, so the. Chase, What was her?
• 1:11:01
  Name. Oh, she was fabulous.
• 1:11:06
  Now, is this the first time that so the conversation they're
• 1:11:08
  having, is this the first time she's opened up about the fact
• 1:11:11
  that she's not who she thought she was?
• 1:11:14
  I think so, yeah. Because she didn't see any of
• 1:11:17
  them after that in the topless children.
• 1:11:19
  No. And she hasn't done it yet.
• 1:11:20
  She. So it's sort of quite special, I
• 1:11:23
  suppose, that she does open up to Ryan.
• 1:11:26
  I just don't buy it when people say, like, she can't do some
• 1:11:30
  serious acting or that she wasn't given any opportunities.
• 1:11:33
  She was given plenty of opportunities.
• 1:11:38
  I mean, it would be a bit of a rug pull, right, if you found
• 1:11:40
  out that, I mean, if you come to terms with it now, you certainly
• 1:11:42
  were a bit out of shore at the time.
• 1:11:44
  The whole time, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:11:46
  Only because it just felt like such a lot of new law to be
• 1:11:51
  created and sort of dumped. I just want to enjoy a good
• 1:11:53
  story. But I think now I, yeah,
• 1:11:56
  definitely come to terms with it now.
• 1:11:58
  I, I like to think that the three biggies, you know, Davies,
• 1:12:01
  Moffett and Chipnall, they all had their turn and they all
• 1:12:03
  wanted to leave their stamp. So RCD wiped out Gallifrey and
• 1:12:10
  then Moffett was like, well, I'm going to insert in a Doctor that
• 1:12:12
  you never knew about. And then Chip was like, why?
• 1:12:16
  I'm going to rewrite the beginning of Doctor Who
• 1:12:19
  completely. I mean, you could just see Ian
• 1:12:22
  Levine getting more incandescent with every twist, can't you?
• 1:12:25
  You could. Just redo it with AI.
• 1:12:29
  Oh, have you seen him? Oh boy.
• 1:12:32
  No, no, you're too nice to say too.
• 1:12:35
  Nice, too nice. I'll be the pitcher, don't you
• 1:12:39
  want? But I like the fact that it's
• 1:12:44
  Ryan that sort of tells her to like, you are the doctor
• 1:12:47
  basically. But throughout this
• 1:12:49
  conversation, she sort of it starts to go in that it's fine,
• 1:12:52
  you are who you were. And I like that we reached that
• 1:12:56
  conclusion at the end of the Vanquisher.
• 1:12:57
  She's got that watch, right, that has all the answers in it.
• 1:13:01
  And she goes, oh, fuck it. Like throws it up to the
• 1:13:04
  console. Yeah.
• 1:13:06
  Did they swear this much on who corner to corner?
• 1:13:08
  Oh, no, I didn't. Sorry, Luke.
• 1:13:14
  It was quite hard though, because I just, you know, I want
• 1:13:16
  to slip out. Beg your pardon?
• 1:13:18
  Oh, I've got John Barrowman on this call.
• 1:13:23
  Don't cancel me, Don't cancel me.
• 1:13:25
  That's all right. I mean, I've put out 1000 of
• 1:13:27
  these. I still haven't been cancelled
• 1:13:28
  yet. Give it time.
• 1:13:30
  Did you see the subtitle there for?
• 1:13:31
  Warp for warp, warp, warp. Love it.
• 1:13:34
  Attention to detail. Yeah.
• 1:13:38
  And obviously the colour changes across this next scene, from the
• 1:13:42
  green to the ultraviolet. I think beyond the the scene on
• 1:13:47
  the bridge, Oh no. And then the bit where they were
• 1:13:49
  going to talk, I think it's just balls to the walls action now,
• 1:13:52
  isn't it? But the bit where they all turn
• 1:13:54
  bad is, yeah, probably a dramatic high point.
• 1:13:59
  People just coming back from their holidays.
• 1:14:00
  They've just been off to Tenerife for a few days.
• 1:14:03
  Yeah. Coming back through passport
• 1:14:05
  control. Serves them right.
• 1:14:06
  I can't afford it. Yeah, got them all down, Daleks.
• 1:14:11
  It is interesting here though, where with Leo she doesn't sort
• 1:14:15
  of, you know, it's that whole thing in resolution where she's
• 1:14:19
  like, I will come and save you, I am going to save you.
• 1:14:24
  With Leo, there isn't so much of that here, is there?
• 1:14:26
  He sort of just dies and it's like, oh, sorry Leo, you're dead
• 1:14:28
  now. You're beyond redemption.
• 1:14:30
  You are right though, he's given a really good performance.
• 1:14:33
  Isn't it the way he's holding himself?
• 1:14:35
  He was in. Did you ever see Misfits?
• 1:14:37
  He was in that. No, at the school was that.
• 1:14:41
  Yeah, yeah, he was sort of in that for.
• 1:14:43
  I mean, they said him. Look, don't worry, we're we'll
• 1:14:46
  sort of CGI in all these tentacles later.
• 1:14:49
  You just carry yourself like you're being controlled, like a
• 1:14:51
  Dalek. You're wearing a backpack.
• 1:14:53
  It's a bit too heavy. I thought Donna in turn left
• 1:14:57
  you. Remember, yeah, sort of on the.
• 1:14:59
  Bag. Oh, you're right.
• 1:15:01
  Yeah. Look, I can see the purple
• 1:15:03
  creeping in now. Yeah, it creeps in, isn't it?
• 1:15:04
  Yeah, which I sort of, it's sort of obvious when you realise it,
• 1:15:07
  but I didn't really notice it I don't think at the time.
• 1:15:11
  Actually, I think it's not a performance that anyone comments
• 1:15:13
  on Leo in this he's. Great.
• 1:15:16
  Good. He's really good.
• 1:15:18
  Actually, it's not an episode that people really talk about
• 1:15:20
  is. It it's not and I sort of had
• 1:15:22
  forgotten about it really. I think I hadn't sort of gone
• 1:15:26
  back and watched it again really, but I've really enjoyed
• 1:15:29
  it. Look, it wasn't enough that he
• 1:15:31
  just told them that they are feeding liquidised humans to the
• 1:15:35
  Talek clones. He pulled a pipe down and
• 1:15:39
  allowed us to see it dripping all over.
• 1:15:41
  The floor, all over the floor. Literal human beings.
• 1:15:44
  Pure like pyramid. Thank you, Chris.
• 1:15:47
  Yeah, Happy New Year to you too. Yeah.
• 1:15:50
  You know, it's so purple now. I could be watching Sontaran
• 1:15:53
  Stratagem and The Poison Sky. Do you remember how purple that
• 1:15:56
  was? If only, yeah.
• 1:16:02
  But again, this use of colour, it makes it so distinctive, but
• 1:16:07
  it, you know, it isn't millions of pounds on CGI, it's just a
• 1:16:11
  real world practical effect that looks beautiful.
• 1:16:16
  Oh, and now he gets a big smile on his face, so I don't.
• 1:16:20
  We've already thought about that doctor.
• 1:16:21
  Don't worry. I mean doesn't Chris N say here
• 1:16:27
  Oh my God this is APR disaster I.
• 1:16:32
  Don't like people are going to die or anything like that.
• 1:16:35
  And somehow he's got such a silver tongue.
• 1:16:38
  Somehow he manages to negotiate his way out of this.
• 1:16:41
  Involving it at all, Somehow he's just saves the day.
• 1:16:44
  I, I, I can only think that there was supposed to be 1/3
• 1:16:48
  that like him as Prime Minister and they were going to bring him
• 1:16:50
  down somehow. Yeah.
• 1:16:54
  Oh, here we go. Red, here they go.
• 1:16:57
  They turn red and just blast random people.
• 1:17:00
  I don't you love the POV shots of Daleks.
• 1:17:03
  I love it. We think back to remembrance.
• 1:17:05
  The one in that is so good. The sort of the green shot where
• 1:17:08
  he shoots the guy underneath the truck for the first time.
• 1:17:11
  Tipping goes, flying backwards into the tarpaulin doesn't.
• 1:17:14
  It. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:15
  Even more sexy look, it's the POV shot, plus a Dalek
• 1:17:18
  extermination blast, plus the skeleton.
• 1:17:21
  Plus the X-ray shot, yeah. Yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Oh God. Look, random people.
• 1:17:25
  Policemen with machine guns now being gunned down.
• 1:17:28
  Yeah. Yes, tourists are very annoying.
• 1:17:32
  Killed a lot of them. Oh my God, I used to work
• 1:17:36
  somewhere that was near Westminster Bridge and having to
• 1:17:38
  cross that every day in the centre of town to get some lunch
• 1:17:40
  at a prayer and you'd be like, please, I'm done with the
• 1:17:43
  tourists, could you move out? Do you?
• 1:17:44
  Think that it was in fact unit. Yes, yeah.
• 1:17:48
  On the South Bank of the river, Yeah, yeah.
• 1:17:51
  Probably we're watched by the pigeons, you know, the
• 1:17:53
  surveillance. Yeah, but Raven put the
• 1:17:54
  batteries in, yeah. I love this though because the
• 1:17:58
  actress, she doesn't actually want to do a dramatic fall to
• 1:18:00
  the floor, she sort. Of knows, Oh, she's a Dame.
• 1:18:06
  Yeah. Oh, actually, I don't know.
• 1:18:08
  Oh, no, she was out of shot. She just sort of fell out of
• 1:18:10
  shot. That's right where it's like
• 1:18:12
  they speak down the barrel of the lens of the camera.
• 1:18:15
  All humanity will be. Exterminated.
• 1:18:17
  Fabulous. It is great.
• 1:18:20
  What? Do you want on new?
• 1:18:21
  Year's Day. It's it's sort of an RTD ish bit
• 1:18:25
  that I think that sort of some real familiar setting.
• 1:18:29
  I mean, you've said that a couple of times throughout this,
• 1:18:31
  right? And I think Chippers does have a
• 1:18:33
  massive hard on for RTD. If you look at his era, he does
• 1:18:37
  like you know that you do and he does like bringing things back
• 1:18:40
  from that time. I do not object at all because I
• 1:18:43
  love RTD 1 so. Oh, hello, we've gone from
• 1:18:47
  purple to green now. Back to green, muddy rainbow
• 1:18:51
  rain. I look like they've they've
• 1:18:52
  gone, they've transported off and it's gone back to sort of
• 1:18:55
  the same green. Oh, this is great.
• 1:18:58
  All that time in the cell, I've been wondering who I am.
• 1:19:00
  I'm the Doctor. I'm the one who stops the
• 1:19:02
  Daleks. So.
• 1:19:03
  It's oh, good. Is that a little bit of a
• 1:19:05
  flashback to to Flatline where Capaldi says, you know, I'm the
• 1:19:09
  one who stops the monsters? It's a sort of similar speech,
• 1:19:12
  isn't it? What a ham.
• 1:19:14
  He comes flying out that Tardis. Doesn't I?
• 1:19:16
  I name you. The boneless, boneless.
• 1:19:21
  I mean, do you know what? I I can't be critical of that
• 1:19:24
  era. I can't be critical of Peter
• 1:19:25
  Capaldi. He was.
• 1:19:27
  I'm the same. I I think there are decisions
• 1:19:29
  made in that era that I don't necessarily agree with, but but
• 1:19:31
  he is full flawless. So great.
• 1:19:34
  I did. Oh, here we go.
• 1:19:37
  This is what I was talking about earlier, wasn't it?
• 1:19:39
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:40
  I mean, I I could think of sort of maybe a few better plans.
• 1:19:44
  Can I blow them up or something like?
• 1:19:47
  And how she goes, Oh, it's nuclear option.
• 1:19:49
  Jack knows exactly what she's thinking straight away.
• 1:19:51
  We're going to bring in this sort of S S Nazi Daleks to wipe
• 1:19:55
  out these sort of hybrid Daleks, and then we'll take out the S S
• 1:19:59
  Daleks. Because we're going to bring the
• 1:20:02
  Daleks to take out the Daleks, but then we've still got Daleks
• 1:20:04
  to take out ourselves somehow. Yeah.
• 1:20:07
  And she goes, wouldn't that be exciting?
• 1:20:08
  And we're like, yes. Yeah, it would be.
• 1:20:10
  Yeah. Please put those up a Daleks
• 1:20:11
  back. I really liked them.
• 1:20:13
  We could go to that bridge that Brunel made as well, but that
• 1:20:16
  would be even. Better, yeah.
• 1:20:18
  Oh, we get a Dalek saucer. It's.
• 1:20:20
  Been a. While since one of the.
• 1:20:22
  And watch this camera and go woo.
• 1:20:24
  I love. It grown like.
• 1:20:26
  Storm and look at these sort of 60s globes they've got about the
• 1:20:32
  place. So good.
• 1:20:35
  And you, the heartbeat came in here.
• 1:20:37
  I was like, yeah, darling heartbeat.
• 1:20:39
  It's a little bit of that that reminds me of, you know,
• 1:20:44
  resurrection where like Turlo's creeping around the.
• 1:20:47
  Oh, the ship, yeah, but that. Isn't where they're sort of
• 1:20:51
  creeping around this bit in a minute?
• 1:20:53
  You are Ball State now, Luke. All right?
• 1:20:58
  If this was an interview, the job is yours.
• 1:21:00
  OK, by the end of this call, I want you to have mentioned every
• 1:21:06
  single Doctor Who story, OK? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:21:11
  What are they called? Death Squad Daleks.
• 1:21:13
  Squad Daleks? Yeah, not terrified enough as
• 1:21:15
  they are. Death squad, I mean for kids.
• 1:21:17
  Man, if I if I'd heard that aged 8 I'd have been God fuck death
• 1:21:22
  squad to. Groom.
• 1:21:24
  It's just some people. The car.
• 1:21:29
  She sort of gets up and then looks at the sorcerer coming out
• 1:21:31
  of the sky. Who are the other Daleks?
• 1:21:33
  Obviously that is a shot from the stolen Earth right between
• 1:21:36
  the two buildings. The sources are going.
• 1:21:38
  Across but. The special effects, the CGI is
• 1:21:41
  so much more detailed now, yeah. Or Dalek invasion of Earth.
• 1:21:46
  Oh well done. Trying to get them all in now
• 1:21:48
  this. Is so impressive, you'll be so
• 1:21:54
  deep by the end you won't be able to get out.
• 1:21:56
  Good grief. Stuck with like Inception.
• 1:22:01
  Or prepare for maximum extermination that's a bit more
• 1:22:04
  than regular. Extermination.
• 1:22:06
  Yeah, Yeah. Hang on, isn't that planet the
• 1:22:09
  Daleks? Very.
• 1:22:11
  Possible. Oh yeah.
• 1:22:13
  It. Is.
• 1:22:14
  Oh, look at this. So good.
• 1:22:16
  Clifton Suspension Bridge. So have they got a drone there?
• 1:22:19
  How are they shooting above the bridge?
• 1:22:22
  They must. He must have been shot from a
• 1:22:23
  drone I think. But didn't some stuff leak from
• 1:22:26
  this at the time? Yeah, there was some water.
• 1:22:28
  Pictures. Or something.
• 1:22:29
  Yeah, that shot from above. Yeah, it's so good.
• 1:22:33
  I mean, and so come on, 2 Dalek armies fighting each other.
• 1:22:37
  Embrance, obviously. And Revelation.
• 1:22:39
  Yeah, Evil of the Daleks. Oh, evil.
• 1:22:42
  Yeah. You didn't waste any time, did
• 1:22:45
  you? When you was a child, you know
• 1:22:46
  you were pouring through all those books.
• 1:22:48
  Pouring through all those targets.
• 1:22:52
  I'm wondering, you know, maybe if you do it in secret, like the
• 1:22:54
  way you have, maybe the details go in even more.
• 1:22:58
  Yeah, Oh. Look at this.
• 1:23:01
  Explosions. Yeah, and then he sort of got,
• 1:23:06
  She lets him go to the street, she lets Robertson go now just
• 1:23:09
  to sort of wander off. He's such.
• 1:23:11
  A twat, all that product, he said.
• 1:23:14
  Maybe I can make a claim on the insurance.
• 1:23:18
  He is irredeemable, isn't he? That's what I lied about him.
• 1:23:21
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just a shit, massive shit.
• 1:23:25
  I'm backing them. Oh yeah, he heads down there,
• 1:23:27
  doesn't he? Hey Daleks.
• 1:23:29
  Hey, it's me, leader of the Earth.
• 1:23:34
  I mean, I, I genuinely, I feel like I am about four years old
• 1:23:37
  again watching this, like. I know it's fun.
• 1:23:40
  It's fun of warp, warp. It tells us again on the
• 1:23:42
  subtitles. It's great.
• 1:23:44
  And he's walking through the wreckage of all these like
• 1:23:46
  blasted Daleks. And they've really, do you
• 1:23:49
  remember back in the day when we had that sequence in Doomsday
• 1:23:52
  where you had the Cybermen on the bridge and just a.
• 1:23:55
  Few sort of bricks. Spat up from the gravel and
• 1:23:58
  that's all they could really do. Look what they can do now.
• 1:24:01
  I mean, they're massacring people on the Straits.
• 1:24:03
  Huge set pieces on the Clifton Bridge.
• 1:24:07
  Well, I do, I think, I can't remember exactly, but I think
• 1:24:09
  was, I think the bridge might be repaired at the time, whether
• 1:24:12
  that was a cover or not or whether it actually was being
• 1:24:14
  repaired at the time. But it's great, a great thing to
• 1:24:17
  use and obviously not that far from Cardiff.
• 1:24:19
  Yeah, but and also as well, it isn't London, it's another
• 1:24:22
  landmark which is quite refreshing.
• 1:24:24
  Yeah, definitely. I mean, I loved how they used
• 1:24:26
  Sheffield in this. I thought it was really good.
• 1:24:30
  There's a line there. There's a bit like Power of the
• 1:24:32
  Daleks where he goes, you know, you, you, you'd sell out your
• 1:24:35
  own people, says the Daleks and. He's like.
• 1:24:38
  Of course I would hope. I would, I mean, there's,
• 1:24:40
  there's sort of flashbacks to that as well, isn't there?
• 1:24:42
  Like Leicesterson and you know, the Daleks in this and and back
• 1:24:47
  to victory, the Daleks as well, the whole would you like some
• 1:24:50
  tea? Do you have to mention that one
• 1:24:53
  my? Brace well and his iron sides.
• 1:24:57
  Yeah, Oh yeah. When they go off to that Dalek
• 1:24:59
  ship, it just goes off a Cliff of it.
• 1:25:02
  That's the. Great.
• 1:25:03
  Bubble bath Daleks that. Is a bad ship.
• 1:25:05
  It's literally just an empty office somewhere, isn't it?
• 1:25:07
  It is. I know.
• 1:25:09
  Compare it to this in this one, Yeah.
• 1:25:13
  I wonder, you know, if we didn't explore those stairs.
• 1:25:15
  She's got there too much in that tardy.
• 1:25:17
  They didn't really go up there very much, do they?
• 1:25:19
  No, not like, you know, we sort of see Matt Smith hanging
• 1:25:22
  underneath the console or I love that even in Capaldi you've got
• 1:25:25
  him at two different levels. But yeah.
• 1:25:27
  I've noticed how we've skipped around the subject of Matt Smith
• 1:25:30
  on this call. I'm assuming you're a fan.
• 1:25:33
  Most people are a big fan. Yeah.
• 1:25:36
  Or. OK, well, you know it's a good
• 1:25:38
  thing you're cute. But I like it all.
• 1:25:42
  I like it all. It's very little that I don't
• 1:25:44
  like. That was a great line there.
• 1:25:46
  Again, very economic. So all the SAS Daleks have
• 1:25:49
  destroyed all of Robinson's. Yeah, right.
• 1:25:52
  So that's one not gone. One not gone, Yeah.
• 1:25:55
  I think we see one more, don't we?
• 1:25:57
  We see one more, sort of like teleports.
• 1:25:59
  Isn't it onto the Dalek saucer for a second thing?
• 1:26:01
  I'm not quite sure why it turns up.
• 1:26:04
  Well, it does have a wonderful moment where he goes.
• 1:26:06
  Please, I am a Dalek. You could turn me into a real
• 1:26:09
  Dalek. I mean, I do love it when when
• 1:26:13
  Daleks are bastards to their own cunt.
• 1:26:15
  You mentioned Planet of the Daleks, the bit where that
• 1:26:18
  supreme Dalek comes in. It goes you bunch of useless
• 1:26:21
  cunts right and start blowing them all.
• 1:26:25
  It's like the boss from hell and he.
• 1:26:27
  Yeah, he sort of turns out I've left you on this planet to get
• 1:26:30
  invisibility. What have you been up to?
• 1:26:33
  Oh Luke, please can we do Planet of the Daleks?
• 1:26:35
  We'll have great fun with that. So good.
• 1:26:37
  You will have to put up with me talking about ice volcanoes
• 1:26:40
  erupting though. But I know there's lots of
• 1:26:42
  sticky substances. They're crawling about in it at
• 1:26:46
  one point, aren't they? And.
• 1:26:49
  Then Joe gets sprayed several times.
• 1:26:51
  So much to talk, apprentice. Handcuffs.
• 1:26:54
  Birded Horsefall. I always liked what they, what
• 1:26:58
  they, you know, there's a bit where they sit and they eat like
• 1:27:00
  Milky bars. I love a Milky.
• 1:27:03
  Give me the advert for that red car round the blue.
• 1:27:06
  Oh no, that's Milky. Wayne.
• 1:27:09
  Oh, of course it will. Sorry, Milky Way.
• 1:27:12
  Milky Bow was a cowboy. Wasn't the Milky bar Kid is
• 1:27:14
  strong and tough? Oh, we had a terrible life,
• 1:27:17
  didn't he? That poor kid apparently got it
• 1:27:19
  was a bit like that little kid that was in The Phantom Menace.
• 1:27:22
  They got bullied out of school. Oh.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah. I'm the sort of person that
• 1:27:27
  laughs at that sort of thing. I love that you're so gentle
• 1:27:30
  that you feel sad for him. I'm sad for it.
• 1:27:33
  Oh, here we go. Robertson's going to screw over
• 1:27:36
  the doctor now. So here's the deal.
• 1:27:40
  Yeah, it sounds like bloody yellow sugar now, doesn't it?
• 1:27:43
  Yeah, the Art of the deal to reference another American.
• 1:27:49
  Yeah, he really pops in now this other Dalek.
• 1:27:50
  I mean I I do like the new drones but I do still have a
• 1:27:54
  massive soft spot for the gold ones.
• 1:27:56
  You see those bronze ones, you're like, oh, they're really
• 1:27:59
  good. I mean the paradigm Daleks.
• 1:28:01
  I mean, please, let's hear your opinion.
• 1:28:03
  Awful. They're so awful.
• 1:28:06
  Have you got any Dalek toys you didn't get?
• 1:28:08
  Those ones did. You no.
• 1:28:10
  I used to have loads of them, loads of the sort of day pulled
• 1:28:12
  Apple ones, but I got rid of all of those as well.
• 1:28:15
  That went with your whole. That went with it all went yeah,
• 1:28:18
  yeah, did. It end up.
• 1:28:20
  I I sold a lot of it boot fairs. Oh OK or Chuck or chucked it.
• 1:28:24
  It's just gone. You put something down right on
• 1:28:28
  a table at a boot fair. Now there's Oh my God, they just
• 1:28:31
  snap them up. Gone.
• 1:28:33
  Yeah, I probably sold them for like a couple of quid.
• 1:28:36
  I had a couple of that's like the big sort of playsets that
• 1:28:40
  had like Sylvester and Mel and a canine and A and I remember.
• 1:28:45
  Talking about the dapper ones, Yeah.
• 1:28:47
  Yeah, you could get a bloody. I'm sorry it's got rid.
• 1:28:50
  Of I had totally the shop was shutting down in the early 90s
• 1:28:55
  was it? The pink male.
• 1:28:56
  Or the other one. Yeah, it's the pink male best,
• 1:29:00
  the huge shoulder pads. Old shooter pads, Yeah.
• 1:29:03
  Did you have the Tardis? You know they had the content.
• 1:29:05
  Yeah, I got rid of. It I'm not sure I can even look
• 1:29:09
  at you right now if I'm on a strange couple of quid.
• 1:29:12
  I know I can't. I'll get that back now.
• 1:29:16
  Don't you recognize my face? I was that person, that person
• 1:29:20
  in the cupboard. Background Background I
• 1:29:22
  recognize. No, yeah, not Ave. and back.
• 1:29:25
  Yeah. So you don't mind all these
• 1:29:26
  crystals about the TARDIS then? No.
• 1:29:28
  I quite like it because if you think like the sort of going
• 1:29:31
  back to the sort of Eccleston tenant, sort of it being
• 1:29:35
  slightly grown rather than rather than sort of made, I do
• 1:29:39
  quite like that. The first time I sort of thought
• 1:29:43
  about that sort of thing like an organically grown ship.
• 1:29:46
  Do you ever watch Farscape? Moyer and Farscape.
• 1:29:48
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, they sort of.
• 1:29:50
  And I do like that idea. I just don't know that those
• 1:29:54
  crystals look a bit cumbersome when they're sort of and.
• 1:29:56
  It's quite hard to shoot around. I think they get better with
• 1:29:59
  shooting around them, but they do block out a lot of the
• 1:30:02
  action. I promise you I'm not doing this
• 1:30:05
  on purpose, but I think they look better erect than half
• 1:30:08
  mast. Are you sure you're not doing
• 1:30:10
  that? It's when they just keep rising
• 1:30:13
  and folding. It's a very odd effect.
• 1:30:17
  They don't do that shot too often to achieve.
• 1:30:21
  You sound like you talk from experience there.
• 1:30:23
  Not at all. What's going on here?
• 1:30:27
  Kidnap him? Look at Chris Noff's face.
• 1:30:30
  He had taken. Any of this Seriously.
• 1:30:34
  Oh, so she's about to suck all the Daleks in?
• 1:30:37
  Indeed. I mean, look at the cityscape
• 1:30:41
  underneath her as well. Right.
• 1:30:43
  If you think like how we've gone from sort of the Battle of
• 1:30:46
  Canary Wharf and the Genesis arc and it's.
• 1:30:50
  I mean, look at that now, those little Daleks, they look really
• 1:30:53
  funny. Yeah, look at, I mean just how
• 1:30:56
  many there are and in such detail.
• 1:30:59
  Yeah. And I love that they sort of
• 1:31:02
  fool us as well by having the real, you know, Herb TARDIS
• 1:31:05
  background in there. I like to think of her running
• 1:31:08
  through the behind me. It's a good bait and switch.
• 1:31:13
  But you know when I first watched it I thought, oh what a
• 1:31:16
  waste of a TARDIS. They could have had two.
• 1:31:18
  Oh yeah, the Gallifrey's destroyed.
• 1:31:20
  You know we're never going to get another one again.
• 1:31:23
  So we're still doing Last of the Time Lords, are we?
• 1:31:25
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:31:27
  What did happen to that Gallifrey from Hellbent?
• 1:31:29
  Oh yeah, the Master blew it up, didn't he?
• 1:31:32
  Yeah. Oh, hell bent, Luke.
• 1:31:37
  Yeah, I'm not, not Yeah. I mean, look at that explosion,
• 1:31:43
  all of those different mushroom clouds coming out.
• 1:31:45
  It's so and. Then we're back in a in a sort
• 1:31:48
  of retro TARDIS, again with a hologram.
• 1:31:51
  Lovely hologram. And that's something I always
• 1:31:53
  love seeing is a Dalek in the TARDIS.
• 1:31:55
  It's so incongruous. Oh, rare.
• 1:31:57
  Yeah, I love those. That line was like Daleks are
• 1:32:01
  not pets. And then doesn't it just sort of
• 1:32:06
  scrunch up into a ball? Yeah, like a ball of paper.
• 1:32:10
  I can only imagine that's quite painful, you know, if you're
• 1:32:12
  inside. Probably if you're being
• 1:32:14
  squashed to an atom. But it is, I think he
• 1:32:18
  deliberately kept that TARDIS back from the Timeless Children
• 1:32:21
  so we could use it in this story.
• 1:32:23
  Or he thought, oh, wait, that's a great idea.
• 1:32:25
  They. Were like what?
• 1:32:26
  There must be sort of three Tardises from the Timeless
• 1:32:28
  Children. It's like the one that she sends
• 1:32:31
  the fan back in. There's one tree goes back in,
• 1:32:33
  and then there's the actual one. What happened to all the others?
• 1:32:38
  So 1 ends up within the house in Sheffield, 1 is this one that
• 1:32:41
  gets collapsed, and then the other one is is the TARDIS.
• 1:32:45
  So does it collapse into like a star or something or it?
• 1:32:48
  Does, isn't it? It's.
• 1:32:50
  Very tidy. Well, they got rid of those
• 1:32:53
  Daleks. We put all the Daleks in here
• 1:32:55
  and now they've gone. Crush them.
• 1:32:57
  The end I I was acting deliberately as a decoy said.
• 1:33:04
  Come on Jody, give me a slap. So this was around the time
• 1:33:08
  where where Emily Maitlis had just done the I don't know
• 1:33:11
  whether it was the time when they filmed it where she'd done
• 1:33:13
  the Prince Andrew interview. OK, famous for that.
• 1:33:17
  So basically don't be interviewed by Emily Maitlis.
• 1:33:21
  I. Mean this is so.
• 1:33:23
  I mean it's both post and pre. It's Trump, isn't it isn't.
• 1:33:30
  It was. Obama in it.
• 1:33:32
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or Biden.
• 1:33:33
  So you're sort. Of in Biden.
• 1:33:34
  Sorry, yeah. All right, now, are you?
• 1:33:36
  No, because it's 2016 to 2020. So I think you aren't yet quite,
• 1:33:40
  quite a Biden. You're almost there.
• 1:33:42
  Oh, so it's still Trump at this point, I think.
• 1:33:45
  I mean, in Iraq is in the UK, it's so obviously a, a well.
• 1:33:49
  He does have a line in there doesn't he, where they mention
• 1:33:51
  Trump in as well. I hate.
• 1:33:52
  That guy, you are that guy he's sort of talking about, isn't he?
• 1:33:57
  Oh, you know, why can't everyone just have guns and shoot people?
• 1:34:00
  You know, it's very Trump hang. On a second they were just
• 1:34:03
  watching Newsnight, which is on like 10:00 at night and now it's
• 1:34:06
  daytime. Oh, and also Captain Jack Go.
• 1:34:10
  Sorry. What is this about?
• 1:34:12
  He's not about, is he? No.
• 1:34:14
  No, it's all in ADR, isn't it? Has he been cancelled?
• 1:34:18
  At this point? Not.
• 1:34:19
  That he had. You don't see Jodie's voice
• 1:34:21
  move, but I only think like, was he going to play more of a role
• 1:34:24
  in 13? I do hear that he was supposed
• 1:34:29
  to be the Vinda character in 30. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:34:32
  Was he, was he actually going to join them on the TARDIS at this
• 1:34:34
  point or I don't know. Maybe, maybe no.
• 1:34:39
  I don't know why they. It's odd though.
• 1:34:41
  It's odd to not have a goodbye. But then we're quickly
• 1:34:44
  distracted with this goodbye. So this goodbye which?
• 1:34:47
  Is really beautiful. I think he's really nice.
• 1:34:52
  He's really sweet. The sort of especially, you
• 1:34:54
  know, the whole thing of Ryan like reconciling with his
• 1:34:57
  father, falling in love with his friends again, wanting to go.
• 1:35:02
  And then then Graham sort of reaction to it, where he really
• 1:35:05
  doesn't want to leave, but he loves Ryan so much that he goes,
• 1:35:09
  OK, I've got a like, it's a bigger adventure to see what
• 1:35:12
  happens to you next than it is to carry on travelling in the
• 1:35:14
  TARDIS. I think it was such a savvy move
• 1:35:17
  to make Ryan a really gentle that, you know, like a really a
• 1:35:24
  really soft. I don't mean that in a negative
• 1:35:27
  way. And for him to now say, you know
• 1:35:30
  what, they need me. I need to be a man.
• 1:35:33
  And people say he didn't go on a journey.
• 1:35:35
  He literally says to her here, I didn't know what I wanted to do
• 1:35:37
  before this. And now I do know what I want to
• 1:35:40
  do, which is the people I love. And she says, doesn't she like
• 1:35:43
  you? We won't be, Jodie says.
• 1:35:45
  Like you won't be the same people after you've travelled,
• 1:35:48
  travel with us. And that definitely happens with
• 1:35:50
  him. You can see I'm developing
• 1:35:51
  across across his time there. Well, did you hear there how
• 1:35:54
  quickly yeah this went? Yep, Yep, I'm.
• 1:35:57
  Saying I'm, I mean. She loves her, I'm telling you.
• 1:36:01
  I it would have been nice, wouldn't it, to see an all
• 1:36:03
  female TARDIS crew for a bit, I think.
• 1:36:05
  I do love it in the Halloween apocalypse when it's just the
• 1:36:08
  two of them. It's really.
• 1:36:09
  But at this point, I think, did we know that John Bishop was
• 1:36:12
  coming in? I think there's a trailer.
• 1:36:13
  Wasn't there after this? Terrible trailer of him getting
• 1:36:17
  out the back of a van. Yeah, yeah, Plasterer.
• 1:36:20
  That's never mentioned again, Chris.
• 1:36:21
  Mate, you make good Doctor Who, but terrible.
• 1:36:23
  Your previews, your trailers, they're terrible.
• 1:36:28
  Oh, I do love Graham as well because Graham was all ready to
• 1:36:31
  go with Jodie and like. Yeah, he wants to go and Planet
• 1:36:35
  or whatever, they're going to go off too.
• 1:36:38
  And he makes the Reich always says no, I don't want to miss a
• 1:36:42
  single moment of the incredible person you're going to be.
• 1:36:46
  So sweet. Like I, I, I get this.
• 1:36:51
  I don't get what happened at the end of Hell Ben.
• 1:36:55
  I just don't understand how I'm supposed to feel about that
• 1:36:58
  Dinah flying about in space. No, no, it's so abstract that
• 1:37:03
  you, but this is like real, you can imagine real people.
• 1:37:05
  Going. I don't, I can't do it anymore
• 1:37:08
  and I want to see my friends and my family and that matters to me
• 1:37:11
  more. And you can understand Graham,
• 1:37:13
  just his love for Ryan. And there's a lovely beat where
• 1:37:16
  they just put their heads together, which could have been
• 1:37:19
  really pony, but it's just quick.
• 1:37:21
  I mean, it almost. Is it almost the line?
• 1:37:24
  It's on the line. Let's have a High School
• 1:37:26
  Musical. Moment.
• 1:37:27
  Come on. Yeah.
• 1:37:28
  I think they pull it off because I can imagine, I don't know when
• 1:37:31
  they filmed this in the sequence of the actual, you know, filming
• 1:37:33
  the filming the show and whether this was close towards them
• 1:37:35
  leaving or not. But you can sort of imagine if
• 1:37:38
  they've spent years filming together and then they do it.
• 1:37:40
  That huddle is quite a you know, isn't that?
• 1:37:43
  All those shoots are in South Africa as well.
• 1:37:45
  Haven't they? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:37:46
  Yeah. They've done a lot together.
• 1:37:49
  Yeah. By all accounts it was just
• 1:37:51
  laughs all the way as well I. Can imagine it was because I
• 1:37:54
  think that, you know, I haven't heard a lot of bad stuff about
• 1:37:57
  any of them really about any of the of that cast.
• 1:38:00
  Alright, the only person who could.
• 1:38:02
  And it wasn't even stroppy. They just went, oh, God, Jodie
• 1:38:06
  is in the mood. Let's all cheer her up.
• 1:38:08
  Come on. Yeah.
• 1:38:09
  Yeah. But apparently everyone just
• 1:38:10
  adored her. Now, I quite like this.
• 1:38:12
  I know you. You could probably say this is a
• 1:38:14
  bit twee. I.
• 1:38:15
  Don't know, it's a bit twee, but I think they deserve it after,
• 1:38:20
  you know, they've delivered the first female doctor on screen.
• 1:38:25
  It's just, it's good. Oh, fellas.
• 1:38:29
  Just in case you know you've got any adventures to go on.
• 1:38:33
  Do you want to go to a volcano maybe or?
• 1:38:36
  When he starts flirting with Ace, that's hilarious.
• 1:38:39
  It'd. Be great.
• 1:38:39
  Oh, that'd be great together, wouldn't they?
• 1:38:42
  It wasn't until they was flirted right?
• 1:38:44
  I was like fuck Sophie Aldridge, the same age as him.
• 1:38:48
  I thought that as well. I was like, oh, hang on a
• 1:38:49
  minute, This is a bit of a bit of an age gap here going on.
• 1:38:52
  Oh no, it's not. You know, she just puts that
• 1:38:54
  jacket on and suddenly she's 18 again.
• 1:38:57
  Yeah. I don't say this very often, but
• 1:39:00
  God I love her and para the Doctor, Sophie Aldridge.
• 1:39:03
  I love it. Well.
• 1:39:03
  She jumped off that building straight into the TARDIS.
• 1:39:06
  But for me, she was the first probably companion I
• 1:39:09
  experienced. Do you know what?
• 1:39:11
  I hear that so much though, that that was people's.
• 1:39:15
  Ear when I was a kid, I didn't realise, you know, that she
• 1:39:17
  wasn't from Perryvale and you know, oh.
• 1:39:19
  Don't listen to me, all right? Just enjoy your nostalgia, OK?
• 1:39:25
  That's why podcasts are poison. Yeah, we're getting back on the
• 1:39:28
  bike. I do wish he most ride off into
• 1:39:31
  the sunset on the bike. I think that would have been
• 1:39:33
  quite nice. Oh, sorry, I mean, I just love
• 1:39:35
  people falling over. Bless him.
• 1:39:40
  And he's got the yellow beanie on, I think.
• 1:39:41
  Didn't he have that at the start of the when we first see it?
• 1:39:44
  Possibly. I mean it was a bizarre thing
• 1:39:45
  that dyspraxia because occasionally it was plot
• 1:39:48
  relevant and then occasionally we just forgot to play all
• 1:39:50
  together. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:54
  I just, I do. I genuinely think Ryan Graham is
• 1:39:57
  not underrated because people love Graham.
• 1:39:59
  I think Ryan is quite underrated, I think.
• 1:40:01
  He's really underrated because I suppose he isn't.
• 1:40:03
  You know, you've got the sort of Yas, the sort of Phasmin going
• 1:40:06
  on. Graham is Brad Bradley, so.
• 1:40:09
  Shit, what more does he need? Exactly.
• 1:40:12
  Yeah. And then Ryan is, is is Adric,
• 1:40:16
  isn't he? He is, yeah, but I've been Adric
• 1:40:19
  didn't look like that. I mean, a love of this as well.
• 1:40:23
  The call back to the location from the woman who failed to.
• 1:40:25
  Work. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:40:29
  Oh, the funniest call back ever was do you remember the end of
• 1:40:31
  Eve with the Darlings? The fellow from the crane who's.
• 1:40:34
  Watching the and. Everyone's going.
• 1:40:36
  Who the hell is that? Don't you remember the great?
• 1:40:40
  Man. Being a big.
• 1:40:43
  Touted as a big. Thing.
• 1:40:45
  Here he is. He's back.
• 1:40:45
  Cray man's back. I don't remember him doing
• 1:40:49
  anything. And woman.
• 1:40:51
  Has he been at a convention? He probably has.
• 1:40:52
  Hasn't he somewhere? I called him Granddad.
• 1:40:55
  I mean, it took us a year to get there.
• 1:40:58
  That's sweet. Go on.
• 1:41:00
  Oh no, you want twee, I mean. This is twee.
• 1:41:05
  This is twee. Look.
• 1:41:08
  I've got something in my eyes. I think I can see my mother in
• 1:41:10
  the ether. Yeah.
• 1:41:15
  I mean, I do love her. Sharon D Clark.
• 1:41:17
  I kind of wished that there'd been a bit of space for her as
• 1:41:20
  well. Yeah, definitely.
• 1:41:21
  Yeah. I mean a brave decision to kill
• 1:41:24
  off someone like her in the first place.
• 1:41:27
  Indeed. Yeah.
• 1:41:30
  I mean, I mean, I did like the fact that then we dealt with the
• 1:41:33
  emotional consequences of that for the year and it was two men
• 1:41:36
  having to try and deal. With yeah, yeah, which is good,
• 1:41:39
  Yeah, yeah. I realise it looks bad in that
• 1:41:42
  first episode, but also as well I was quite I was quite pleased
• 1:41:45
  that he was willing to kill people off.
• 1:41:47
  And for the rest. Of it all saved with love and
• 1:41:50
  it's all kind of the end. Because everyone who dies in
• 1:41:53
  office time was like, oh, we'll be alive next week, don't worry
• 1:41:55
  about it. Oh, there he goes.
• 1:41:57
  So unfair. And then Graham comes running
• 1:42:01
  over the hill. Ryan.
• 1:42:03
  Don't say it would have been great.
• 1:42:05
  Oh, look, that was fabulous. I mean, I said to you in a
• 1:42:08
  message, didn't I? I said there's a lot of admin
• 1:42:10
  going on here. We're bringing Jack back because
• 1:42:13
  I think we're setting him up for the next season.
• 1:42:15
  We're getting rid of Ryan and Graham.
• 1:42:18
  We're dealing with stuff from revolutions.
• 1:42:22
  Loads is sort of having to do. It's very Planet of Fire.
• 1:42:26
  There you go, there's my first. There we go.
• 1:42:30
  But within that, I just think scene to scene it is really
• 1:42:34
  entertaining. It's really entertaining, but it
• 1:42:36
  also does give those sort of room to breathe.
• 1:42:38
  You get those emotional moments when I some people don't
• 1:42:41
  necessarily like it, but I really like those moments.
• 1:42:43
  I think some of the best moments for Ryan are in this, some great
• 1:42:46
  moments for Yaz. Probably, you know, John
• 1:42:49
  Barrowman, probably some of his best moments in his time.
• 1:42:51
  Show his acting, you said? Yeah.
• 1:42:54
  I think cracking scenes in it and and the adventures sort of,
• 1:42:59
  you know, actually stuff is good as well.
• 1:43:00
  So it's it's really enjoyable. And the fact that it just feels
• 1:43:04
  quite cinematic. It feels quite big.
• 1:43:06
  It feels a tree for a festive special.
• 1:43:10
  Well, you've just given me many, many reasons there as to why
• 1:43:13
  people should go and pick this up off their shelf immediately.
• 1:43:15
  What I'm going to ask you to do is hone it down into three
• 1:43:18
  fabulous things to recommend revolution of the diets.
• 1:43:22
  Now you go first and then mate, and then you, and then they will
• 1:43:24
  bat it back and forth. Three things go OK.
• 1:43:28
  One lighting, I think the lighting on this is beautiful
• 1:43:32
  and I think it can such a small thing, but it can make or break
• 1:43:36
  an episode and just the use of coloured lighting this I think
• 1:43:39
  it looks beautiful for for you know, it's not massive, vast
• 1:43:42
  CGI, massive budgets, but it just it's really immersive, gets
• 1:43:47
  you in the story and looks gorgeous.
• 1:43:49
  I think it's just shot beautifully.
• 1:43:51
  My first one then is going to be, and I'm going to be very
• 1:43:54
  clear when I say this, Jack Robertson.
• 1:43:58
  Not Kristoff. Jack Robertson, the character
• 1:44:02
  Utterly absurd. Tech messenger less.
• 1:44:07
  Absurd I think than Ratneys in the UK.
• 1:44:10
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just doing all those sort of
• 1:44:12
  dodgy meetings with the Prime Minister, how he what he wants
• 1:44:17
  to be involved, sort of in the middle of the story, how he
• 1:44:19
  sells himself out to the Daleks and and then how at the end he
• 1:44:23
  tries to turn it, turn himself into the hero.
• 1:44:25
  I mean, he's utterly loathsome in every way, but he comes in
• 1:44:29
  with comedy, comedy lines that genuinely hit and chip N comedy
• 1:44:34
  can be hit or miss. Dare I mention the Wi-Fi family?
• 1:44:39
  So I, I, I just think he's a great villain and I loved him in
• 1:44:42
  Iraq, in the Uki think I like him a bit more in this I.
• 1:44:44
  Think I like him more in this. I would have liked to have seen
• 1:44:47
  his third episode, and yeah, I completely understand why we
• 1:44:50
  never got that. But yeah, yes, yeah.
• 1:44:52
  Moving on swiftly from Chris NI, think for #2 I'd have to go for
• 1:45:00
  probably Ryan. I know it's quite an obvious
• 1:45:02
  one, but as you said, you know, he's under looked in other
• 1:45:04
  episodes, he's underappreciated. But that scene between him and
• 1:45:08
  Jodie is beautiful. He's beautiful, really nice.
• 1:45:13
  The sort of it really, it moves the story along.
• 1:45:16
  It's sort of is a turning point where she realizes that she is
• 1:45:19
  the Doctor regardless of background and everything that's
• 1:45:22
  happened in the Times children, and it gives him a reason to
• 1:45:26
  leave essentially at the end. It's just a nice, it's a nice to
• 1:45:29
  set up the companion departure and I think really nice for him
• 1:45:33
  to get a scene like that before he leaves the series.
• 1:45:36
  I think it's really good. Yeah, I, I think it was time for
• 1:45:39
  him to go. But I think it's, it's a nice
• 1:45:42
  understated departure. We've had so many operatic ones
• 1:45:46
  in the past, but you really talked about the BBC repeats,
• 1:45:52
  the BBC Two repeats back in the 90's, the Colin was Revelation
• 1:45:57
  of the Daleks. Wasn't it?
• 1:45:58
  Yeah. I remember watching that because
• 1:46:00
  my second thing is the fact that I basically was what would I
• 1:46:05
  have been then 13. So I was basically 13 again
• 1:46:08
  watching this because I remember seeing the the white and the
• 1:46:13
  grey Daleks in Revelation, like blasting the shit out of each
• 1:46:17
  other on Net Cross. And I love, loved it.
• 1:46:19
  And just watching it here again in this, but on such a scale,
• 1:46:23
  that scene on the bridge is extraordinary.
• 1:46:26
  Yeah. So basically turning me 13 is my
• 1:46:29
  second thing. Like a massive explosion
• 1:46:31
  remembrance we didn't have. Like the police got called out
• 1:46:35
  that game. Things been coming.
• 1:46:39
  Don't worry, we can do it in post now.
• 1:46:41
  Oh, thank. You.
• 1:46:42
  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But then you, like you said when
• 1:46:44
  they were massacring people on the streets, there was great
• 1:46:47
  flames blowing, There was bricks flying everywhere.
• 1:46:50
  Wonderful. Yeah, wonderful.
• 1:46:52
  It's good to be a kid for, you know, every now and.
• 1:46:54
  Then it is, it is. And I suppose another point that
• 1:46:58
  is great about this is the design of those, the sort of the
• 1:47:00
  defence trained Daleks, because you've seen the junkyard one the
• 1:47:03
  year previously, but this one with the kind of the black and
• 1:47:06
  the silver and the blue lighting, I think they're really
• 1:47:08
  good, really good. And my third thing is going to
• 1:47:13
  be, I think, like all of the fun little Easter eggs you get
• 1:47:18
  throughout this, starting with, you know, that very funny joke
• 1:47:22
  following on from Revolution. This is the Star Wars joke at
• 1:47:25
  the star. All of the fabulous creatures,
• 1:47:28
  the silence, the Weeping Angels, the petite, whatever that
• 1:47:34
  enormous. Green very thing is.
• 1:47:38
  You know that he hasn't forgotten the TARDIS from the
• 1:47:41
  Timeless Children. There's just lots of lovely
• 1:47:43
  little Easter eggs rolling through this.
• 1:47:46
  Obviously, Kristen off coming back is something from the past.
• 1:47:50
  Yeah, I think Chipnall knows how to push the fan buttons, and he
• 1:47:55
  does it here. It's New Year's, you know, and I
• 1:47:59
  just think he got these specials.
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  He understood what he was doing. Big action, really entertaining,
• 1:48:06
  loads of energy and then sort of getting you kick starting for
• 1:48:11
  the next series. I mean, I was desperate for flux
• 1:48:13
  after this. We had to wait a long time,
• 1:48:15
  didn't we really? Because we had to wait till
• 1:48:17
  Halloween. So this is on the 1st of
• 1:48:18
  January. We've got to wait till the 31st
• 1:48:20
  of October till. Was it on the same year?
• 1:48:23
  I think it was in 2021. Wasn't it in Halloween
• 1:48:25
  apocalypse? Yeah, it's like we were lucky to
• 1:48:28
  get it though, weren't we? This story.
• 1:48:30
  Was basically we had, you know, it'd been a while since the time
• 1:48:34
  of his children. That happened in March 2020, I
• 1:48:36
  think. So we've sort of within 18
• 1:48:38
  months, we only had this one story.
• 1:48:40
  So we were in lockdown when Revolution came out, Yeah.
• 1:48:44
  Yeah. Well, I think depending on where
• 1:48:46
  you were, do you remember that that Christmas where London and
• 1:48:50
  the Southeast I think went into Tier 4 or whatever it was and it
• 1:48:53
  was, it was Christmas was cancelled at the last minute.
• 1:48:56
  And yeah. I'm going to let you into a
• 1:48:59
  little secret now. Now we've done the commentary is
• 1:49:01
  I've been begging my over half for about two years to do the
• 1:49:07
  commentary on Revolution of the Daleks because I didn't think
• 1:49:10
  any fucker would ever want to do it.
• 1:49:11
  And I'd be going come on, it's great.
• 1:49:13
  It's Daleks, it's great. I'm really pleased, he said.
• 1:49:17
  No, frankly, it was a great introduction to having you on
• 1:49:20
  hamster. Great to be on.
• 1:49:23
  An exciting episode to come in. Now I have I scared you off?
• 1:49:26
  Are you willing to come back and do another one of these things?
• 1:49:29
  I think, I think I'm hungry for more, Joe.
• 1:49:31
  Oh, music to my ears. Well, I mean, could I possibly
• 1:49:36
  entice you to the planet Spirodon?
• 1:49:38
  Well. Inspired.
• 1:49:40
  Yes. The greatest.
• 1:49:42
  I think old Pertwee stories are the best Dalek stories ever made
• 1:49:46
  for me. Oh you are man after my own
• 1:49:49
  heart. What day of the Daleks as well?
• 1:49:51
  Deaf to the Daleks? Yeah, those, yeah, the planet,
• 1:49:53
  the three of my favourites, probably.
• 1:49:55
  Would you ever look at an IKEA floor in the same way again?
• 1:49:58
  Or like Hoover attachment? I think Planet is my favorite.
• 1:50:02
  The three, though? So it's so it's like Technicolor
• 1:50:04
  gorgeous. Well, OK, Well then until we
• 1:50:10
  slipper and slide through the. Oh yeah.
• 1:50:13
  I forgot about that. It is.
• 1:50:14
  It is quite squirty, isn't? It look at oh there those
• 1:50:16
  plants. Yeah.
• 1:50:18
  Weird plant on the weird eye things.
• 1:50:20
  Yeah, the weird eye things and the ice tunnels full of.
• 1:50:23
  Invisible people, The strange gunk that's all over Joe Grant's
• 1:50:26
  arm. I'm sure you're ready for this.
• 1:50:30
  I think I'll have a couple of drinks before that one.
• 1:50:32
  Let's do, I mean, I'll do what I always do with a six part.
• 1:50:36
  We'll do three and three, six in one night.
• 1:50:38
  Man, that one, that's just too much of me.
• 1:50:40
  And two, it's exhausting talking about Doctor Who for many, many
• 1:50:44
  hours. But before we go, can I just
• 1:50:48
  very quickly ask you to mention your story one last time and if
• 1:50:54
  you're willing, let people know where you are online?
• 1:50:58
  OK, so I love Jodie, and if you love Jodie like I love Jodie,
• 1:51:02
  you can check out the Wednesday that Wasn't on Big Finish.
• 1:51:05
  It's a free short trip. You can download it yourself.
• 1:51:09
  Great tile, by the way. Great tile.
• 1:51:12
  Lucky it was a Wednesday, it's just the alliteration.
• 1:51:14
  It could have been any day, but actually a Wednesday sort of
• 1:51:16
  makes sense. So the Wednesday that wasn't,
• 1:51:19
  you can download that for free and then you can read the script
• 1:51:22
  as well if you like. It's also on there and
• 1:51:23
  amazingly, you can download the audio score as well.
• 1:51:26
  Which is really a great score as well.
• 1:51:29
  Yeah, yeah. I mean, the sound design is
• 1:51:31
  beautiful on it. They're just at a level now,
• 1:51:34
  aren't they, Big Finish, where the releases are so polished.
• 1:51:38
  So good, it's so good. I'm still clinging on slightly
• 1:51:43
  on Twitter on X but planning to move probably at some point.
• 1:51:46
  But I am at Snark in Space on there.
• 1:51:50
  You can find me on there. Yeah, do you know, I I was
• 1:51:53
  thinking earlier and I was like, you know, oh, I can't wait to
• 1:51:56
  talk to that fellow snark tonight.
• 1:51:58
  And I was. Like what the fuck is his?
• 1:51:59
  Name all I know of him as it's the snark in space.
• 1:52:04
  There's nothing snarky about you at all.
• 1:52:05
  You're the most lovely expert. Well.
• 1:52:09
  I had to keep myself secret, didn't I?
• 1:52:10
  Because I'm under the radar. Oh, of course.
• 1:52:14
  OK, well I'm so sorry, but I should be posting all of this on
• 1:52:19
  your social. No, I won't, Luke, it has been a
• 1:52:23
  genuine, genuine pleasure. And just to say, if you enjoy
• 1:52:27
  the Wednesday that wasn't half as much as I did, you'll have a
• 1:52:30
  fucking amazing time with it. It's a wonderful story.
• 1:52:34
  Thank you very much for your time tonight.
• 1:52:35
  Oh, no, thank you. It's lovely, Joe.
• 1:52:37
  And now we need to get back to the squirty planet.