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The Late Debate | 26 August · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome well late de Bay.
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  Speaker 3: It's great to have your company on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Liz Storer and Caleb Bond back
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  Speaker 3: from holidays caleeb Ah.
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  Speaker 2: It's good to be back with the family.
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  Speaker 4: Ah. You know they say you can't pick them, Well
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  Speaker 4: I did pick these ones and.
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  Speaker 5: It is well. We're glad to have you back with us.
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  Speaker 3: Coming up Sunshine Coast fishermen film a great white shark
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  Speaker 3: attacking their tinny. Will show you that incredible footage a
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  Speaker 3: little later. Plus, when we get to the papers, you
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  Speaker 3: won't believe the cost of Canberra's new sporting stadium and
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  Speaker 3: Green's deputy lead at Marine Feruki to investigate anti semitism.
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  Speaker 3: All of that when we look at the papers, But
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  Speaker 3: you would have heard of meals on wheels. We'll get
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  Speaker 3: ready for meals on wings as drone delivery services take
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  Speaker 3: off around Australia now. Drone delivery services have been trialed
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  Speaker 3: in this country since twenty nineteen in the Act in Queensland,
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales and now in Victoria, delivering everything from
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  Speaker 3: coffee to agricultural equipment.
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  Speaker 5: Once the issue of black spots.
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  Speaker 3: Has been sorted out, because you don't want drones losing
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  Speaker 3: connectivity and dropping from the sky with your coffee.
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  Speaker 5: The Civil Aviation Authority.
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  Speaker 3: Reckons that there will be a massive upsurge in drone deliveries.
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  Speaker 3: They're predicting sixty million drone delivery flights a year by
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  Speaker 3: twenty forty three. Jesse Suskan he's a drone delivery service
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  Speaker 3: manager from Wing Aviation. He told The Guardian that it's
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  Speaker 3: going to become popular because the slowest part is generally
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  Speaker 3: the preparation and loading. But once it's on the drone,
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  Speaker 3: whether it's your coffee or your sandwich or whatever, it's
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  Speaker 3: usually to you within minutes.
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  Speaker 5: We don't have to stop for red lights, he said.
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  Speaker 3: Up to ten kilometers and back in urban and suburban
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  Speaker 3: areas is what we focus on. So when you run
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  Speaker 3: out of milk, when you run out of children's panadole,
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  Speaker 3: it's the convenience of being able to send those things
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  Speaker 3: by drone instead of having to drive back to the
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  Speaker 3: shops through peak hour traffic. Now, he explained, not only
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  Speaker 3: will drone delivery services be convenient for customers, but they're
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  Speaker 3: highly efficient for delivery services. He went on to tell
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  Speaker 3: The Guardian where a business would previously need fifty cars
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  Speaker 3: and fifty drivers to deliver fifty cheeseburger orders.
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  Speaker 5: You can deliver them by drone with just one pilot.
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  Speaker 3: Now, the pilot simply overseas fifty drones in the air
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  Speaker 3: at one time, so it's incredibly efficient. And here's a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of what it looks like. Sadly, that music
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  Speaker 3: doesn't come with the drone delivery. They sound more like
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  Speaker 3: a swarm of bees, unfortunately, but you would have seen that, Liz.
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  Speaker 3: They're taking off from the top of a shopping center.
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  Speaker 3: So retailers simply bring their goods up to the roof.
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  Speaker 3: It's connected to a drone fly. It doesn't land in
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  Speaker 3: your backyard. It hobbs about eight meters above the ground.
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  Speaker 3: It simply lowers the product down gently onto the grass,
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  Speaker 3: and there's your coffee or whatever.
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  Speaker 5: Do you like this or do you hate this?
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  Speaker 2: Look?
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  Speaker 6: It makes a lot of sense. Employers are always going
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  Speaker 6: to love technology replacing people. It's a lot cheaper. You
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  Speaker 6: don't have to worry about HR or health and safety,
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  Speaker 6: a one off payment for a piece of technology that
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  Speaker 6: is never going to be requiring a salary, asking to
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  Speaker 6: take leave, asking for a raise. Technology works around the
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  Speaker 6: clock for free technically. But what I just can't believe
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  Speaker 6: with the speed in which we're implementing technology in ways
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  Speaker 6: like this is people are making people more redundant.
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  Speaker 2: By the day, Like what an own goal.
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  Speaker 6: I just don't understand where we're supposed to head.
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  Speaker 2: Where are people supposed to go.
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  Speaker 6: Once we have the driverless cars, we talk about the
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  Speaker 6: self service checkouts, that's one thing. It hasn't exactly taken
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  Speaker 6: over by storm, but it's nearly almost everywhere. Then we've
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  Speaker 6: got the storefronts closing, whether it's banks closing their outlets
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  Speaker 6: or just normal retail stores going. Actually it's cheaper for
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  Speaker 6: us if you just shop online. Banks go online, banking
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  Speaker 6: ATMs everyone. We're just going to close more and more
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  Speaker 6: of our stores. It's way, way cheaper for them. But
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  Speaker 6: nobody's answering the obvious question that at the end of
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  Speaker 6: the day we're going to be talking about millions of redundancies.
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  Speaker 6: Where are these people supposed to go? Oh, how are
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  Speaker 6: they supposed to provide for their families? That's when my
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  Speaker 6: concern lies.
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  Speaker 4: Listening to that music, I thought I was back in
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  Speaker 4: far North Queensland, where I've just been relaxing on the
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  Speaker 4: beaches I've been doing for the last.
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  Speaker 2: Week or so.
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  Speaker 4: It kind of reminds me of that scene in Back
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  Speaker 4: to the Future where doctor Emmitt Brown fires up the
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  Speaker 4: Dolore and he says rules where we're going, we don't
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  Speaker 4: need rules. And the question for me is, as you say,
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  Speaker 4: is with all this automated technology that we are increasingly developing,
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  Speaker 4: a product like this relies on someone buying something, right,
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  Speaker 4: You've got to buy the food or the coffee.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, what the hell are you doing having
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  Speaker 2: a coffee delivered to you via drone?
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  Speaker 4: I have heard no joke of people having cups of
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  Speaker 4: tea delivered to their house.
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  Speaker 2: Like if you can't get up and walk.
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  Speaker 4: Down to the shop, so getting your car to go
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  Speaker 4: and buy some bloody tea bags cat. I know some
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  Speaker 4: times you might have hungover on a Sunday morning or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: and you don't really want to get out of bed,
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  Speaker 4: but it is the height of ridiculousness if you are
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  Speaker 4: having coffee or tea delivered to your house.
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  Speaker 2: But this relies on.
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  Speaker 4: Someone being able to pay for the products. So if
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  Speaker 4: we keep taking away jobs that mean people can earn money,
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  Speaker 4: then who's going to be left to buy the bloody
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  Speaker 4: product that you've developed in the first place. Because it's
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  Speaker 4: much like you know, in the US we talk about
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  Speaker 4: the rust belt areas that used to rely heavily on
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  Speaker 4: manufacturing for jobs and then those jobs all disappeared with
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  Speaker 4: local manufacturing, and a lot of those people have never
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  Speaker 4: gained other jobs.
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  Speaker 2: And we're going to have And I don't like.
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  Speaker 4: Using the term low skilled, but that is generally what
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  Speaker 4: we refer to things like delivery or retail or whatever,
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  Speaker 4: as it's not something you need to have a tertiary
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  Speaker 4: qualification in order to do. And they're the sort of
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  Speaker 4: jobs that people do while they're at university and the
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  Speaker 4: sort of jobs that people do when they're a new
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  Speaker 4: migrant to the country and they don't necessarily have qualification.
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  Speaker 4: Yet it's those people who will eventually be done out
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  Speaker 4: of a job, and what are they going to do?
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  Speaker 2: Then?
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  Speaker 4: Are we just going to have people sitting around with
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  Speaker 4: nothing to do? Because the only jobs that will be left,
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  Speaker 4: which are the jobs sort of creating this technology and
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  Speaker 4: running this technology, will be ones that actually require a
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  Speaker 4: level of qualification.
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  Speaker 2: So what are you going to do for an entry
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  Speaker 2: level job anymore?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Will you receive your universal wage provided by the Greens,
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  Speaker 3: You'll do nothing and you'll be happy, you Kayleber.
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  Speaker 5: You mentioned the US.
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  Speaker 3: They've been trialing these drone delivery services in Texas and
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  Speaker 3: they're working perfectly. The problem has been people complaining that
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  Speaker 3: it sounds like chainsaws flying over their neighborhood from eight in.
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  Speaker 5: The morning until ten night night. Yeah, so that's been
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  Speaker 5: the challenge.
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  Speaker 3: Amazon and the Amazon drones are amazing and what they
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  Speaker 3: can deliver, but they're now working on trying to make
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  Speaker 3: their drones a lot quieter to avoid upsetting neighbors.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned the Greens.
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  Speaker 6: They are someone who will be thrilled by this implementation
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  Speaker 6: because of me. It means way less emissions, way less
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  Speaker 6: cars on the road, all those delivery drivers suber eats.
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  Speaker 6: This is another quote from Jesse Suskin at Wing. He said,
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  Speaker 6: we're a business would previously need fifty cars and fifty
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  Speaker 6: drivers to deliver fifty cheeseburger orders. To deliver them by
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  Speaker 6: drone requires just one pilot. In this article, they were
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  Speaker 6: talking to a pilot who was like, yeah, I'm responsible
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  Speaker 6: for fifty drones at any one point in time. So
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  Speaker 6: again you're talking about replacing those fifty drivers and those
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  Speaker 6: fifty cars on the road with one dude sitting in
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  Speaker 6: front of some sort of computer tracking the weather, making
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  Speaker 6: sure the drones are going to be Okay, what are
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  Speaker 6: people supposed to do for work.
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  Speaker 2: To the war on free speech?
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  Speaker 1: Now?
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  Speaker 6: It is ever raging. The founder of Telegram, which you
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  Speaker 6: may not have heard of. It's an end to end
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  Speaker 6: encryption app. It's actually got nine hundred million users worldwide
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  Speaker 6: because people like the privacy, they like the secrecy it affords,
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  Speaker 6: and why shouldn't they. Well, it's founder, his name is
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  Speaker 6: Pavel Durov, has just been detained at France airport. He
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  Speaker 6: pulled in and his private jet another day another dollar
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  Speaker 6: and did not.
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  Speaker 2: Get to leave the airport.
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  Speaker 6: He is detained accused of criminal use of his app Telegram.
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  Speaker 6: Charges include terrorism, narcotics, trafficking, and fraud. Of course, to
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  Speaker 6: any thinking person watching this, you just go this is
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  Speaker 6: another crackdown on freedom of speech. They always tell us
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  Speaker 6: that they're cracking the whip on Elon Musk and others
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  Speaker 6: who are massive free speech defenders because they won't censor
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  Speaker 6: their platform, and they always come at it from the
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  Speaker 6: perspective of safety. Remember our e Safety Commissioner going after
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  Speaker 6: Elon mus demanding that e sensor free speech. He refused,
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  Speaker 6: so has Pavel Durroff. So one wonders are these two
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  Speaker 6: things connected. Telegram put out a statement saying Durov has
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  Speaker 6: nothing to hide and travels frequently in Europe. A Telegram
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  Speaker 6: abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act. Its
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  Speaker 6: moderation is within industry standards. It is absurd to claim
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  Speaker 6: that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse
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  Speaker 6: of that platform. A tweet from Elon Muss reads free
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  Speaker 6: Pavel with a link to attacker Carlson interview that Pavel
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  Speaker 6: did with him in April of this year. It went
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  Speaker 6: for an hour. The entire thing was incredibly fascinating. But
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  Speaker 6: here's a little bit of something he had to say
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  Speaker 6: about just how insistent governments and intel agencies have been
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  Speaker 6: trying to gain access to users.
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  Speaker 5: Of his app.
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  Speaker 7: Last time I was in the US, I brought an
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  Speaker 7: engineer that is working for Telegram, and there was an
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  Speaker 7: attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind my back by
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  Speaker 7: cybersecurity officers or agents. They were curious to learn which
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  Speaker 7: open source libraries are integrated to the Telegram's app. On
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  Speaker 7: the client side, and they were trying to persuade him
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  Speaker 7: to use certain open source tools that he would then
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  Speaker 7: integrate into the Telegrams code that my understanding, would serve
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  Speaker 7: as backdoors.
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  Speaker 2: Would allow the US government to spy on people who
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  Speaker 2: use Telegram.
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  Speaker 7: The US government to maybe any other government.
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  Speaker 2: Tey.
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  Speaker 6: This guy left Russia he's Russian by birth, because the
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  Speaker 6: government wanted in on his app and he refused to
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  Speaker 6: censor free speech on the Telegram platform. So he left
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  Speaker 6: Russia thinking well, I'll be safe with the Western governments,
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  Speaker 6: won't I. And here he is arrested on French soil,
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  Speaker 6: which he has a dual citizenship there, as well as
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  Speaker 6: the UAE where he's set up the Telegram headquarters in Dubai.
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  Speaker 6: So he ends up being arrested and detained for a week.
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  Speaker 6: He's due to face a magistrate in France on Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: By a NATO ally.
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  Speaker 6: By a friend of the Biden administration, by a well
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  Speaker 6: and truly Western government who one would like to believe
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't be for censoring a platform like Telegram.
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  Speaker 3: I can't understand why he is responsible for what people
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  Speaker 3: do on his social media platform, which is really just
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  Speaker 3: like making the board of Telsta responsible for what people
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  Speaker 3: say on a phone call, and for the government to
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  Speaker 3: want backdoor access where they can effectively spy on people
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  Speaker 3: using this app means nobody is safe. And we all
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  Speaker 3: believe that we want sex traffickers and gang lords and
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  Speaker 3: drug traffickers, we all want them court. However, you've got
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  Speaker 3: to ask the question if the government, in the process
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  Speaker 3: of trying to track sex traffickers, happen to hear you criticizing,
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  Speaker 3: say Emmanuel Macron or government policy, and all of a
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  Speaker 3: sudden you're in trouble. And unfortunately, there's precedent around the world,
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  Speaker 3: whether what the UK are doing right now looking at
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  Speaker 3: social media and jailing people for Facebook posts, or the
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  Speaker 3: Canadian government, which we've talked about ad nauseum since COVID,
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  Speaker 3: who froze bank accounts of those who dared to protest
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  Speaker 3: their policies. You just wouldn't trust Western governments now sadly,
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  Speaker 3: to do the right thing.
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  Speaker 2: No, and let.
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  Speaker 4: Alone governments that we know to be dictatorial authoritarian regimes.
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  Speaker 4: Imagine if you were in government, imagine in Russia or
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  Speaker 4: China or any other country where you're seriously worried that
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  Speaker 4: you know someone will come around and have you popped
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  Speaker 4: off for saying the wrong thing about the government that
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  Speaker 4: if they had access to what you were saying privately.
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  Speaker 4: Because they're on Telegram, you can private message people. And
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  Speaker 4: there's also what they call channels, which is a bit
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  Speaker 4: like any other social media platform Facebook, x et cetera,
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  Speaker 4: where multiple people can go on and post and talk
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  Speaker 4: to each other. And Telegram, because it is encrypted, is
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  Speaker 4: often used by people to discuss things that they wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: otherwise want to broadcast publicly. That is the point of
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  Speaker 4: an encrypted system. It's something that politicians themselves use, much
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  Speaker 4: like they've used WhatsApp for a long time, because there's
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  Speaker 4: an added level of privacy in those communications, and it's
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  Speaker 4: communications that they as politicians, don't necessarily want being accessed
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  Speaker 4: by other people. It's highly security stuff that they wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: want foreign nations getting their hands on, so they use
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  Speaker 4: things like signal and Telegram and WhatsApp, et.
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  Speaker 2: Cetera for that level of security.
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  Speaker 4: Now, I understand that law enforcement don't lack the fact
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  Speaker 4: that that encryption makes it more difficult for them to
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  Speaker 4: do their jobs, But how was law enforcement doing their
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  Speaker 4: job fifty years ago when you didn't have access to
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  Speaker 4: this technology of any kind. And you know, if I'm
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  Speaker 4: having a conversation with you face to face, well, unless
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  Speaker 4: I'm wearing a bug, you can't get access to that.
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  Speaker 4: Somehow law enforcement managed to catch criminals for a very
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  Speaker 4: long time without having ready access to technology. What they're
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  Speaker 4: really upset with is that the technology exists, but law
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  Speaker 4: enforcement has been outsmarted by it. Of course we want
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  Speaker 4: to catch criminals. Of course we want to stop criminals.
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  Speaker 4: But why don't we talk about meta Facebook, all the
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  Speaker 4: other social media platforms where the criminality, criminality is happening
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  Speaker 4: every single day, child abuse material, child pornography is being
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  Speaker 4: posted every single day. Have we seen any of those
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  Speaker 4: companies hauled before a court and told you are going
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  Speaker 4: to be prosecuted for the dissemination of child pornography. No,
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  Speaker 4: Every now and again they front up to some sort
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  Speaker 4: of senate inquiry in the US and they get wrapped
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  Speaker 4: over the knuckles and told you're doing a bad job.
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  Speaker 4: You should do something to clean it up. You don't
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  Speaker 4: see Elon muskal or you know, they'll try it with
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  Speaker 4: him eventually. We don't see Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg
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  Speaker 4: or anyone getting arrested because the criminality on their platform.
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  Speaker 4: If it's hard to do your job, I'm sorry, law enforcement.
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  Speaker 4: You've just got to try harder doing your job. That's
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  Speaker 4: simply how it works. And you think of all the
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  Speaker 4: data that is collected on you now by banks and
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  Speaker 4: all sorts.
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  Speaker 2: Just any extra.
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  Speaker 4: Bit of data that you can potentially give to law
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  Speaker 4: enforcement or government, even if right now you're not doing
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  Speaker 4: anything wrong, you never know in future whether you may
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  Speaker 4: be doing something wrong in the eyes of the government,
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  Speaker 4: and then they're they want to get access.
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  Speaker 2: To it exactly.
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  Speaker 5: They'll have the read receipts.
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  Speaker 2: It is as simple as that.
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  Speaker 4: Let's come back home to Victoria, where apparently their bidding
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  Speaker 4: for the Gay Games. Now I didn't know that the
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  Speaker 4: Gay Games were a thing, but apparently they are. It's
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  Speaker 4: been going for decades that the last one they had
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  Speaker 4: over in Hong Kong, I think had about five thousand people,
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  Speaker 4: so it's a reasonably large event. Adelaide and Perth are
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  Speaker 4: apparently also in the running for the Gay Games. That
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  Speaker 4: it said that Adelaide has now dropped out. They thought
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  Speaker 4: they'd leave that to their labor friends over in the
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  Speaker 4: other states such as Victoria and Western Australia. But of
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  Speaker 4: course you'll remember that Victoria was the state that under
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  Speaker 4: Daniel Andrews, in the lead up to the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: two state election, secured the Commonwealth Games for twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: six and said they're going to have this great model.
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  Speaker 4: It was going to be all through the regions. It
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  Speaker 4: was only going to cost about two and a half billion.
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  Speaker 4: It'll be the best thing since Clise Bread. Sorry, then
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  Speaker 4: they decided that it was actually going to cost seven
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  Speaker 4: billion dollars. Where that number came from, we still don't know.
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  Speaker 4: They then paid some six hundred million dollars in compensation
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  Speaker 4: to the Commonwealth Games for them canceling the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 4: six Commonwealth Games. And we find out today that they think, hmm,
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  Speaker 4: we can't do the Common Games.
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  Speaker 2: But maybe we can do the Gay Games.
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  Speaker 4: Here's the Sportsmanister Steve Demopolis announcing this today.
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  Speaker 8: Whether it be the Gay Games or anything else, we're
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  Speaker 8: always ready to make ourselves available for a major event
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  Speaker 8: that wants to come to Melbourne, Victoria. The Gay Games
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  Speaker 8: approached us that were in very early days, so we're
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  Speaker 8: in the running out here. So that's great.
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  Speaker 4: We'll see what happens the Victorian Opposition Tourism spokesman Sam Roth,
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  Speaker 4: former professional tennis player. Of course, he said, after wasting
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  Speaker 4: six hundred million on the Commonwealth Games, debarkle, how can
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  Speaker 4: any Victorian have confidence labor can deliver this event? Well, yes,
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  Speaker 4: I don't think any of us have any particular confidence,
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  Speaker 4: though you know, they probably learned the listen about going
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  Speaker 4: down the regional road. If they do decide to have
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  Speaker 4: the Gay Games, I'd never heard of the thing. Why
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  Speaker 4: don't they just call it the Games? You don't have
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  Speaker 4: to have the Gay Games. Just roll it into one.
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  Speaker 4: There's some free marketing tips for you. But but what
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: the hell is the Gay Games? We should note that
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: the Gay Games, which you would think implies that it is,
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: you know, sort of the equivalent of the Olympics. It
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: was once called the Gay Olympics, but they got into
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: legal travel over using the word Olympics.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: You would think that it was specifically for lgbt IQ people. No,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: it's for anyone.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: So what how is it even the Gay Games to
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: begin with? I don't know, but Victoria, they cannot see
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: a sporting event that they're not interested in until, of
• 19:48
  Speaker 4: course they're not interested in it.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: I hope. I hope they get the Gay Games just
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: so they can not have the Gay Games. Gotta love
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Sam Groth there.
• 19:57
  Speaker 6: Being like we're always ready to make ourselves bailable.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: For as well.
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: You're clearly not, buddy, and Victorians have paid through the
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: nose for a game that you're not even hosting anymore.
• 20:08
  Speaker 6: So you're not always ready, are you.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: What I can't believe was.
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: Because I've never heard of these either. Apparently they've been
• 20:14
  Speaker 6: running since the eighties, the Gay Games. How many times
• 20:19
  Speaker 6: when we've discussed the issues around trans competitors at the
• 20:25
  Speaker 6: Olympics or at the trouble that causes with regard to
• 20:29
  Speaker 6: women's sports no longer being women's sports. Sorry, women, you
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: just have to compete with biological men or withdraw and
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: never get to live your dream. We've always said, why
• 20:41
  Speaker 6: don't they just create their own events, their own separate category.
• 20:45
  Speaker 9: To now learn that this has existed for decades, but
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: they just insist on ruining it for biological women who
• 20:55
  Speaker 9: rock up to their own events to compete in their
• 20:59
  Speaker 9: own category.
• 21:00
  Speaker 6: It makes it even worse. We keep suggesting it, like, oh,
• 21:04
  Speaker 6: brand new idea, You guys should just create a category
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: for all the trans players because then they can have
• 21:11
  Speaker 6: a great time. No one's left out. It's always existed,
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: and people who belong to the trans community just keep
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: rocking up to the non trans games to ruin it
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: for everybody else.
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: I got to admit, I'm just completely confused because I
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: watched the opening ceremony of the Paris Games and I
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: thought that was the gay Games. I mean, And in addition,
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: they had a couple of boxes with x Y chromosomes
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: beating women black and blue. That was pretty inclusive, I thought.
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: So.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: I wasn't aware that the Olympics was only for heterosexuals.
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: So there's that issue. Why on earth do we have
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: a gay Games in the first place. But you've got
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: to love the labor Victorian government. We can't afford the games,
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: or do you say gay games?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: I can afford games.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: I should point out, just before we're too critical, Oftoria,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Adelaide and Perth are also bidding for the Gay Games.
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: I believe there's three out of seven international cities bidding
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: for the games are Australian cities.
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: Read into that what you will. But if Victoria win
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: the Gay.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: Games, I mean, it'll be a magical event. They'll hold
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: it at the MCG but it would be in the dark
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: because they can't afford to turn the lights on because
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: they're so broke.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: But I think here's the key.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: We're told that state representatives will travel to Washington to
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: formally pitch their city to organizers in October. So this
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: sounds to me like a wonderful junket for the Tourism Minister.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: And don't you dare criticize it, because if you do,
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: when you're homophobic and bigoted, aren't you? This is all
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: about diversity and inclusion. So it's beyond reproach, Caleb, you
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: can't criticize it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: Apparently Sydney had the Gay Games in two thousand and two.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Now we all remember the Sydney Olympics. I don't remember
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: the Sydney Gay Games. But there may actually be a
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: little bit of sense in it because I assume if
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: you bid for them win the the Gay Games, you're
• 23:01
  Speaker 4: not going to build any new infrastructure. You're just going
• 23:03
  Speaker 4: to use existing infrastructure, unlike what you would have to
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: do for the Commonwealth Games.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So if you can get five thousand.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: People to jet into your city or more potentially and
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: spend money while they're there, and you don't have to
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: build anything for it.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: It may actually make some economic sense.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: But I suppose all of that will come out in
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: the watch when Victoria eventually says we've been for it,
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: we've won it, and then two years down the line,
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: we're not going to have it anymore because we can't
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: afford it.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Sticking with the theme, Disney's new Star Wars series, promoted
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: as the gayest series ever, has been canceled after just
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: eight episodes.
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: Who would have seen that coming.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: Hopefully, the series, which featured a lesbian witches coven where
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: the mostly women of color, used the Force to impregnate
• 23:45
  Speaker 3: each other, will be banished to a galaxy far far away.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: Here's some of that scene with these lesbians using the force.
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: To just have a look. Now.
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: The signs for this series were bad from the beginning.
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: When Disney appointed a queer activist Leslie Headland as the
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: writer and director of the series, she was asked what
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: she thought about this being the gayest Star Wars ever.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Because nerds are gay.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, some nerds are very not gay and are very
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: threatened by.
• 24:34
  Speaker 9: Well, that's true, but in my world nerds are gay.
• 24:41
  Speaker 10: No, I don't think so, And yet people have told
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: me that it's the gayest Star Wars, and I'm frankly.
• 24:48
  Speaker 6: Into it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: I remember the original Star Wars movies, you know, and
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: they had Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher, who were famously
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: good at does this new series, Acolyte features amndless Stenberg,
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: who's famously non binary and gay, Charlie Bunnett, who famously
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: came out as gay when he was thirteen, and Abigail Thorne,
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: who's famously transgendered. So it's very inclusive, very diverse, and
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: very boring. They spend one hundred and eighty million dollars
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: on eight episodes, and no one watched it. Liz, I
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: can't believe it.
• 25:22
  Speaker 6: Do you wonder if Lucas is just like, why did
• 25:25
  Speaker 6: I sell this?
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Why did I sell.
• 25:28
  Speaker 6: This to Disney? He would have seen this in the
• 25:31
  Speaker 6: water right well, the tea leaves, because it was only
• 25:35
  Speaker 6: a couple of years ago that one of the directors
• 25:37
  Speaker 6: at Disney announced to the world. It made headlines that
• 25:41
  Speaker 6: she wanted fifty percent of characters in the children's movies,
• 25:45
  Speaker 6: all the cartoons, as well as massive franchises like Star
• 25:50
  Speaker 6: Wars to be fifty percent LGBTIQ. Now in the acolyte.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: I'd say it's more than fifty percent. They went for
• 25:58
  Speaker 6: gold and lo and behold, shock and surprise. It's an
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: absolute failure. People do not like this. Disney already knows
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: this though, because they've had several bombs at the box
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: office as they keep trying to put this kind of
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: ideology into their movies.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Parents don't like it. Kids.
• 26:20
  Speaker 6: Who knows if it goes over their heads or they're
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: actually indoctrinated by it. But this has not been a
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: winner at the box office for as long as Disney
• 26:28
  Speaker 6: has tried it on, and yet they just keep going.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Do you love losing? What's going on? Disney? We'll just
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: let them keep doing it.
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: Just waste as much money as possible until you can't
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: make films and crappy television programs anymore, go back and
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: destroy good things like Star Wars. I mean, you know,
• 26:49
  Speaker 4: it's just a classic case of go work.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Go broke, isn't it.
• 26:52
  Speaker 4: And I love when this happens because it proves that
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: the consumer is not in the same place as the big.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: People and the big corporates.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: And there are lots of people sitting in boardrooms around
• 27:05
  Speaker 4: Australia and around the world at these big corporates who are,
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: you know, well into their sixties and seventies and perhaps
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: have lost touch a little bit, and they get these
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: hip young things, you've just come out of university, and
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: they walk into the boardroom and they go, I'm going
• 27:20
  Speaker 4: to tell you how to get in touch with the
• 27:22
  Speaker 4: young people, the youths, and they say, we've just got
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: to put more gay characters in. We've just got to
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: have like lesbian scenes where women get pregnant by looking
• 27:31
  Speaker 4: at the moon and shouting things right.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: And then they go, oh, yeah, let's go on board
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: with that. We're going to get the young viewers.
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: And then the young viewers don't tune in because when
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: you turn on the telly, you go home at night, right,
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: you sit down. You're sitting there now with a glass
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: of red in hand, or I hope you've got a
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: glass of red in hand, or a whiskey or something.
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: Pretty well, you pay the kids to bed. Some people
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: watch sober.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Well, if you're watching sober, then then good luck to you,
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: because it's not a good so you're doing. I'm saying
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: you need to drink in order to watch this program,
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: but it does sometimes help. But you know, you want
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: a bit of entertainment. You turn on the TV to
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: watch Star Wars. You know you don't want this stuff
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: shoved down your throat.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: You just want to sit back and relax and not
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: really have to think about anything.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: And you're like, oh, geez, Star Wars, I remember Anakin Skywalker, etc.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: And then it's like some weird lesbian pregnancy.
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: I tell you was drinking though. And that's the review
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: of Acolyte, who was writing for the Mashable website.
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: Listen to this.
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: It says, despite plenty of real world evidence that queer
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: people and queer animals exist all over the globe, there
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: aren't any queer folk in an entire galaxy.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: That's absurd.
• 28:38
  Speaker 3: This galaxy is the galaxy that had Jabber the Hut
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: Darth Vader.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: It's science fiction.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: It's not meant to reflect you know, San Francisco diversity
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: and inclusion.
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: No, okay, galacy far far away. It doesn't help that
• 28:53
  Speaker 6: the main character of the Acolyte loves to indulge in
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: a little bit of casual races.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Check it out. When people watch the Heat, you give,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: what do you want them to walk away with? Because
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I know everyone has a slightly different feeling well.
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: I mean white people crying actually was the goal. It's
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: okay when they do it.
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just unbelievab.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: They were talking about another movie that she'd start in.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: By the way, the hate you give, do not watch it.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: It's actually been banned several places. No, seriously, it has
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: been because there's quite.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: A few untoward things in it.
• 29:31
  Speaker 6: But it is so funny if that was two white
• 29:35
  Speaker 6: people saying, well, the point of my movie was to.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: Make black people cry.
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: Ah, you'd be fired, you would.
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: Not get to come into work the next day.
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: Well, you know what, keep spending your money. Just keep
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: doing it. We love it. Spend as much money as
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: we do a bug light.
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: Just waste it all until you've got nothing left to give.
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the UK.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: We're a very odd story about a TV into Christy
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: Kirsty sorry Alsop is her name, and she allowed her
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: fifteen year old son to go on a trip across
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: Europe with a mate. Now, once upon a time, many
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: of you at home would remember school holidays.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: You know, you'd be on.
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: Your bike after breakfast, out playing with your mates, and
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: mama'd say be home for tea at six pm. No
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: one was tracking where you were. No one cared where
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: you were. You were trusted to look after yourself.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Now at piece.
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: Fifteen, his mate who he went away with is sixteen.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: You know you can have a job at sixteen, you
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: can leave school at sixteen, Lots of things you can
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: do at sixteen.
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: You'd think you could be.
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: Trusted to go on a trip away by yourself. Oh
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: a way for about a month. Well, when her son
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: got back, she received a call from Social Services saying,
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: we're a bit concerned about the welfare of your fifteen
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: year old son because you allowed him to go away
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: on his own. How do you put trust in your child?
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: We do not do that anymore. She was flabbergasted to
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: receive this phone call. Someone obviously had made a report
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: to Social services and this social worker calls her up
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: and she said in response, I knew we were becoming
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: a more risk averse culture in the UK and the US.
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: My time in Switzerland has taught me a lot there
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: as in Japan, children walk to school alone. Oh my god,
• 31:25
  Speaker 4: can you believe it? They're trusted to go to school
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: alone and are encouraged to learn early to be self
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: sufficient and trusted to make sensible choices. The silver lining
• 31:35
  Speaker 4: to this cloud is that everyone stops and thinks about
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: the freedoms we had as children and ask what harm
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: could be done not by the freedoms, but by the
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: restrictions and fears we are imposing on our kids. He'd
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: been away for three weeks with a mate, so he
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: had someone with him.
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: That she trusted.
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Obviously, I'm sure he wasn't in communicado. She could have
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: phoned him at any time. You could have phoned her
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: at any time to say, Mum, I'm in a bit
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: of trouble.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: Come and help me. Whatever. We wrap kids now in
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: so much cotton book.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: You go to a playground, they've ripped out all the
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: good equipment, the monkey bars, you know those spinning things again.
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: You fly off one hundred miles an hour because, oh
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: my god, a kid might break some bones. Parents are
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: worried to let their kids play in the street.
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, you might get hit by a car.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Kids aren't allowed to go walking on their own or
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: with a mate.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: When the young anymore goes, oh my god, you might
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: get abducted. Oh there might be some violent crime.
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: You look statistically violent crime, abductions, assault, etc. Happens at
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: a lower rate than it has it any other time
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: in recorded criminal history.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: We have less to worry about them, we ever.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: Have, But we now force kids into a basically lifelong childhood.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: We don't give them any responsibility, and then we wonder
• 32:55
  Speaker 4: why they grow up to be absolute squibs who can't
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: hack it in the workplace, have to be reassured every
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: five minutes, because they never just sort of chucked out
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: into the world and told we'll go and fend for yourself.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Mother actually says to a sonk I trust you. I'm
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: putting some trust in you to go away for three
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: weeks with your mate, and she cops a phone call
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: from child Services saying we think he's in danger.
• 33:18
  Speaker 6: I'd be proud as punch if I was Kirsty Alstot.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Check out this tweet.
• 33:22
  Speaker 6: She said, my little boy has returned from three weeks interrailing.
• 33:25
  Speaker 6: Will be sixteen on Wednesday. So we went with a
• 33:27
  Speaker 6: mate who's already sixteen due to hostile travel restrictions. But
• 33:32
  Speaker 6: they organize the whole thing themselves. Paris, Brussels, Amsterdam, Berlin, Munich, Marseilles, Toulouse,
• 33:41
  Speaker 6: Barcelona and Madrid.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: If you had a kid who.
• 33:46
  Speaker 6: Was capable of organizing a triplight that you know you've
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: done right as a parent, because that is a responsible
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: young man in the making. And let's not forget what
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: kids of yesteryear were capable of. Check Out this sixteen
• 34:02
  Speaker 6: year old post World War Two being interviewed and telling
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: everyone proudly he lied said he was eighteen when he
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: was only fourteen because he wanted to serve his country.
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Sergeant Willey, how old were you when you invested in
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: the army?
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: I was fourteen, sir, fourteen.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: How did you get in when you were fourteen?
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I went to Puriosir, and told the recruiting.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Officer there that I was eighteen, so he let me in.
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: How many combat missions were you on in over enemy territory?
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Twenty two, Sir?
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Twenty two?
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: Where were they? Mostly? Mostly they were in Africa, Sir Cicily, Cicily, Pandelurian, Sardinia.
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: Have you got a girl back home, nor, sir? Girls
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: don't bother me in much.
• 34:49
  Speaker 6: A parents, stop infantilizing your children, especially your boys. They
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: are young men in the making, and I think the
• 34:57
  Speaker 6: more responsibility that they're given from a young age. We're
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: no longer talking about eight year olds working full time
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: as chimney sweets in Charles Dickens type England, freezing to
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: death and dying in chimneys. We are talking about young
• 35:15
  Speaker 6: men who are well and truly capable of shouldering responsibility.
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: And this also comes down to parental discretion.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: We all boys would be up.
• 35:23
  Speaker 6: To this, but hers clearly was in her humble opinion,
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: and off they went and nothing bad happened.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: The only thing this mum has done is guaranteed that
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: she won't have a thirty year old sitting in her
• 35:34
  Speaker 3: basement playing.
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: Video games in the future.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: The strange part about this story, though, and you read
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: out the tweet where she was boasting about her son's
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: European adventure, But it was because of that tweet I
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: believe that the complaint came. So the complaint to social services.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Was it because someone saw this kid alone on a train,
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: or someone saw this kid wondering around Barcelona without supervision.
• 35:54
  Speaker 3: The complaint to social services came when someone read the
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: tweet and thought, oh.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: You shouldn't treat your son like that.
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: By that time, he was home safely, no harm had
• 36:03
  Speaker 3: been done. He'd been successful in his journey. But now
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: there's a record with social Services that will remain open
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: for the next number of years, just in case, I
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: guess she sends him on another Karen.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: Who can play year old son who is utterly useless
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: and can't even tie his own shoelaces. Probably just incredibly jealous,
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: being like, well, well, she's just a terrible mother exactly.
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  Speaker 5: We're going to go to a break.
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  Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll look at what's making news
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: in tomorrow's papers, including Deputy Green's leader Marine Ferruki to
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: investigate anti Semitism.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome back.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: Let's take a look at what's making news tomorrow. We'll
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  Speaker 3: start with the Adelaide Advertiser. And so Caleb Bond always
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: bags reading the Adelaide News because you love Adelaide so much.
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  Speaker 4: Of course, and you can catch my column and the
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: Advertiser every Friday. And we've got two Southustralian legends on
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  Speaker 4: the front of the tars it's more Maggie Year unfortunately
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: has had a fall at home, but she is recovering well.
• 37:04
  Speaker 4: We are told, Get well Maggie and Graham Corn's in
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  Speaker 4: the bottom right hand corner there, of course, the inaugural
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: coach of the Adelaide, Crows and great from Glenelgin. The
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: Sandfill has apparently sadly separated from his wife Nicole. But
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: as it says there, he hopes it's.
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  Speaker 2: Not the end.
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  Speaker 4: Thinking of you, Cornsey, you're a good feller. But the
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: splash tomorrow Holy Cow bills rise. Iconic fruit and dairy
• 37:29
  Speaker 4: business Nippies monthly power bill has more than doubled in
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: an electricity cost crisis gripping the agriculture industry. The managing
• 37:39
  Speaker 4: director says, basically, what's happened is they had a previous
• 37:42
  Speaker 4: contract that ended last year in December. That meant they
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: got a good rate on their electricity.
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  Speaker 2: When that ended, the.
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: Monthly bill doubled from fifty one thousand, six hundred to
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: one hundred and nine thousand and five hundred and eighty,
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: despite the fact that they install called a million dollars
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: worth of solar panels and actually using less electricity than
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: they were before. Now Nippi's is a great South Australian company.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: I'm quite partial to a Nippy's iced honeycomb milk. If
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: you haven't had one, I recommend you give it a go.
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  Speaker 4: But this is the reality for business and Nippe's is
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: a reasonably big business. But can you imagine if you
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: were a small business and you've taken every measure you
• 38:24
  Speaker 4: possibly can the solar panels, et cetera, to try to
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: cut your costs, and your power deal changes and overnight
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: your power costs double. It would be impossible for so
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: many businesses to stay afloat. It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Well, turn you plibosec would say that they should be grateful.
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  Speaker 3: Imagine if I haven't spent a million dollars on solar panels,
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: imagine how big their bill would be then, So they've
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  Speaker 3: actually saved money, Liz, it's all about perspective, you see.
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  Speaker 6: Well, this article says dairy farmer's bills have sawed past
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: one hundred thousand dollars a year. I hate how much
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  Speaker 6: farmers in this country are dutted by our governments. I mean,
• 39:05
  Speaker 6: you'd think, sure, okay, energy has gone up for everyone,
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  Speaker 6: But when we're talking about the people who manufacture our food,
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: shouldn't there be some allowances made because that's kind of important.
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  Speaker 2: We already know.
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  Speaker 6: That they're dutted by the supermarkets, especially if you're a
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: dairy farmer. Those guys pay nothing for the milk.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: That we buy.
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  Speaker 6: It's utterly ridiculous. Remember the milk wars of two thousand
• 39:28
  Speaker 6: and ten. It ain't much better now, if at all.
• 39:32
  Speaker 6: And they're constantly told these stupid promises. Government never comes
• 39:36
  Speaker 6: good on that turn around all we're burning live export now,
• 39:40
  Speaker 6: nobody gets a heads up. Entire industries are just gutted,
• 39:44
  Speaker 6: and then they rock up to these rural festivals and
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: stuff like, oh shake my hand, press the flesh, I'm
• 39:51
  Speaker 6: just here.
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  Speaker 2: For photo ops.
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  Speaker 6: I wish they'd just be booed out of the rural
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: areas because never before have I seen governments do less
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  Speaker 6: for the farmers in this country. And we call a
• 40:02
  Speaker 6: lot of people the backbone of Australia, but who more
• 40:05
  Speaker 6: than our farmers. If it weren't for them, we'd all
• 40:08
  Speaker 6: be dead, literally dead, and yet nothing.
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  Speaker 3: Thank God, that renewable energy is the cheapest form of
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: energy known to man and we're all reaping the benefits
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: of it. Let's go to the Canberra Times where the
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: headline reads Civic stadium nudges three billion dollars. You've got
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: my attention already. How can canber acquire a.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Stadium three billion dollars?
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  Speaker 2: Worth.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: The Opta Stadium in Perth, which is magnificent, cost one
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: point six billion dollars and seat sixty thousand people. This
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: one's only going to seat thirty thousand. The article reads,
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: the cost of a new stadium in Civic could be
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: close to three billion dollars. The ACD government has revealed
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: in a set of figures significantly higher than previous estimates.
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: So three billion dollars a thirty thousand seat stadium. And
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: here's the kicker, the cost is almost four hundred percent
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  Speaker 3: higher than the government had originally forecast just a few
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  Speaker 3: weeks ago. So this is a highly unusual story, Caleb,
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  Speaker 3: where you've got government cost estimates blowing out by four
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  Speaker 3: hundred percent.
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  Speaker 5: This is very unusual. We don't really see this around
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  Speaker 5: the country.
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  Speaker 3: In Victoria or Queensland, governments tend to be fairly on
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: the money, were doing their costing.
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  Speaker 2: We've never heard of a cost blowout in my life.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: How does it come to three billion dollars? That is
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: three billion dollars?
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: Now we go back to talking about the Gay Games
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: earlier and what Victoria originally budgeted to put on the
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: Commonwealth Games.
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  Speaker 2: It was what two point six billion or something.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Right, So for the cost of what originally they thought,
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: I mean they said seven billion. Later I think the
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: number was just sort of plucked out of the ass.
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  Speaker 2: It's not real.
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: But for two point six billion dollars they were supposedly
• 41:55
  Speaker 4: going to put on the entire Commonwealth games, including the
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: infrastructure camera. They want to build a stadium and it
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: costs three billion dollars. Now, you pointed out what it
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: costs to build up the stadium in Perth when Adelaide
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: Oval was upgraded, and I will admit that it was
• 42:11
  Speaker 4: a bit over a decade ago, but that cost him
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: about five hundred and thirty million dollars. How do you
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: possibly get to three billion dollars?
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: And who the hell is going to go to a.
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: Three billion dollar stadium in canbra I'd go once just
• 42:26
  Speaker 4: to check it out to see what a three billion
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: dollars stadium look like.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: But that is inside.
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: If you supported the Canberra Raiders, I guess you'd be
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: pretty happy with it. And which AFL team plays in
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: camberra gws?
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they that they'd spend three billion.
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: Dollars out where is it Homebush? I hate watching Great
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: Western City in that stadium.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: You love watching gws old one.
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: Hundred dollars towards the three billion dollar costmes.
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  Speaker 6: The only ones worth watching to the front page of
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: the Herald Sun.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Now will smoke you out.
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: You crackdown on organized crime gangs illicit tobacco trade as
• 43:03
  Speaker 6: authority sees almost five billions cigarettes at border in past
• 43:09
  Speaker 6: three years. Organized crime gangs are smuggling unprecedented amounts of
• 43:13
  Speaker 6: tobacco into Australia, with authorities revealing they have seized almost
• 43:17
  Speaker 6: five billion cigarettes at the border in the last three years.
• 43:22
  Speaker 6: Can you blame them with the excise? Okay, I'm not
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: making excuses for this, but sis, there's like with the
• 43:29
  Speaker 6: excise placed on cigarettes, the tax on tobacco in austrauct
• 43:35
  Speaker 6: You talk to any pom, for instance, and you tell
• 43:39
  Speaker 6: them that a pack of twenty five cigarettes you're looking
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: at around fifty five dollars, They literally you see their
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: heads explode. I don't know if we have the most
• 43:52
  Speaker 6: expensive cigarettes in the world, but we have got to
• 43:55
  Speaker 6: be up there.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: It is some of the highest costs in the world.
• 43:59
  Speaker 6: And no wonder the chop chop shows just like this
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: place is fertile brand.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: Exactly, and the insanity of it is that the government says, oh,
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: we've got to have this high excise to discourage people
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: from smoking. No, the high tobacco excise is not about
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: discouraging people from smoking. It's because the government is more
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: interested in the coffers, coowfers than the coffers, cough s
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: or ers, because they're making shard loads of money out
• 44:29
  Speaker 4: of it, lots and lots of money. That's what it's
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: all about. They know people are addicted and so they
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: just want to eat every last cent out of them
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: that they can.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: The illegal tobacco I was going to say industry, it's
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: not really an industry.
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: It's criminality, but it has exploded in Australia. Something like
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: twenty percent of the entire tobacco market in Australia now
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: is illegal cigarettes. People would buy the legal product if
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: they could, but they can't afford it, so they buy
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the illegal product, and in the process the government actually
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: dug itself out of tax that it otherwise would have
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: earned if it had had a lower exercise.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: You look at the US.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: Where a packet of daries is about twelve bucks as
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: opposed to the forty fifty odd that it is here,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: and the smoking rates are pretty much the same in
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Australia and the US, so it doesn't actually make a
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: difference to whether or not people smoke. It's just government greed.
• 45:22
  Speaker 4: And in the process of this government greed, they put
• 45:25
  Speaker 4: money in the hands of biking gangs.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: And organized crime. Well done.
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: The government via the tobacco excise is funding sex trafficking
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: and slavery and rape and murder.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: In this country. Well done federal government.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: Now we didn't quite get to the Australian, but the
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: Australian's worth getting tomorrow, including the story on Marine Ferruki
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: being appointed to a committee to investigate can you believe it?
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Anti Semitism? It's well worth the read tomorrow.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: We're going to go to a break. When we come back.
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: Some Sunshine Coast fishermen they film a great white shark
• 45:57
  Speaker 3: attacking their votes. We'll show you the footage. Just a monment,
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: all right, welcome back. Let's talk about pets. Elizavie ever
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: had a pet of her dog's never a Catwe I
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: love a.
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  Speaker 2: Good dogg oh story.
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  Speaker 6: We never had a dog because my mum would always
• 46:12
  Speaker 6: tell us, if there's gonna be another pair of legs
• 46:15
  Speaker 6: running around here.
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: Old be another baby.
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: She meant it too, the seven of us, but to
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: the States now with this dog, his name is Roger
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: was fired at a very young age by the narcotic
• 46:26
  Speaker 6: squad because he was just way too friendly. But he's
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: found he is calling as a search and rescue dog.
• 46:34
  Speaker 6: Now heralded as a hero.
• 46:38
  Speaker 10: Roger was called to duty earlier this year when a
• 46:41
  Speaker 10: deadly seven point four magnitude earthquake hit eastern Taiwan. For days,
• 46:46
  Speaker 10: Roger and his teammates, including a terrier named Wilson, Sniffed
• 46:51
  Speaker 10: and Claude, have rubble in the mountains to find victims
• 46:54
  Speaker 10: trapped by landslides. Because its meal, he showed no fear
• 46:58
  Speaker 10: or reluctance.
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: He says.
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: He's truly an outstanding search and rescue dog.
• 47:04
  Speaker 6: Can you imagine him? He's now Look at me now, haters,
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: if you're a narcotic squad, look at me now. On
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: international to either.
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: When I was growing up, we had a German shepherd
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: that we got from the Double A f It was
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: meant to be a security dog, but it wasn't vicious enough,
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: so we ended up with it. It was a great dog,
• 47:24
  Speaker 3: beautiful dog.
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you thought, well, I'll get that. That'll be
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: good for me when the crims come knock and he
• 47:30
  Speaker 4: won't be doing anything. What's the point of having a
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: dog if it's not going to attack someone for even say,
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: but good on your roger.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: The guy has two cats.
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: I'm more useful, but expecting the cats to defend me.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: If I was going to have a dog, I'm not
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: going to have some yappy, little chiuala rat looking thing.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: That the German shepherd was not vicious the looind of
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: a German shepherd.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: Lictim to it.
• 47:55
  Speaker 10: Now.
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: I've been up in Queensland as you heard for the
• 47:58
  Speaker 4: last week. It was lovely and I saw a few crocs.
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: But one thing I didn't see was a great white
• 48:03
  Speaker 4: shark unfortunately.
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on the perspective.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: These fellows were out in the Timmy on the weekend
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: off the Sunshine Coast.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: They certainly saw a great white Holy goo, whoa, whoa,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: it is bit more boat. It is a bit more boat.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: Well that's what the great we did timmy bow. He
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: smashed me.
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: If that was me, I not only have a scuffed
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: up boat, I would have underwear in need of replacing.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Suspect they drop a.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Hook in there anyway. That's it from us stick Around.
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: Coming up is The Reader Penny Show.