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Goku's Revenge Vs. King Piccolo: Episode 108-109 · Becoming Saiyans-A Dragon Ball re-watch podcast

0:00
SPEAKER_01: Welcome to Becoming Saiyans, a Dragon Ball Rewatch podcast.
0:06
SPEAKER_02: And we're back.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm Truman.
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SPEAKER_02: And I'm Jesse.
0:09
SPEAKER_02: And I'm AJ.
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SPEAKER_02: And this is Becoming Saiyans, a Dragon Ball Rewatch Podcast.
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SPEAKER_02: On today's episode, we watched two episodes of Dragon Ball.
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SPEAKER_02: Episode 108 and 109, titled Goku's Revenge and Goku versus King Piccolo.
0:23
SPEAKER_02: Um, but before we get to that, we should probably address the elephant in the room.
0:27
SPEAKER_02: One of Jesse's close friends named AJ is joining us for this podcast today as our special guest.
0:33
SPEAKER_02: AJ, welcome to the show.
0:36
SPEAKER_02: First guest of all time.
0:37
SPEAKER_02: First guest of all time.
0:38
SPEAKER_02: You get to hold that record forever.
0:40
SPEAKER_02: They can never be taken away from you.
0:42
SPEAKER_01: Even if there comes a point in time we have like Dwayne Durage and you're always here.
0:46
SPEAKER_02: You are the first, yeah.
0:47
SPEAKER_02: We get, you know, Kojima to show up, and still you're still you get to say I was here first.
0:52
SPEAKER_01: If we get Kojima to show up and he's speaking English, we might we might be like the rulers of the Japanese.
0:59
SPEAKER_02: The world's ending.
1:00
SPEAKER_01: Because I'm not gonna lie to you, we're not gonna be speaking Japanese.
1:04
SPEAKER_01: Bet.
1:05
SPEAKER_02: You want to try and be just C I would like to I would like to tone Konichiwa Chessiza.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: Congratulations.
1:12
SPEAKER_01: You're smoking the Japanese.
1:14
SPEAKER_01: I've done it.
1:16
SPEAKER_01: You've also screwed our chances of getting Koji.
1:21
SPEAKER_01: We heard that one stage like never again.
1:23
SPEAKER_02: Yep.
1:24
SPEAKER_02: I actually saw the email and I decided to trash that after that.
1:28
SPEAKER_01: Konichiwa.
1:30
SPEAKER_01: As long as you're not Jeff Keely, I think you're doing okay.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
1:33
SPEAKER_02: I actually I heard uh before we get into the episode, I actually um heard a tan this is a weird tan shit, but I was watching a comic book YouTube uh live show this week earlier this week, and the editor editor uh editor-in-chief of Marvel Comics just got relocated to Japan.
1:50
SPEAKER_02: Fun fact about him, when he was a writer, his name is C.B.
1:53
SPEAKER_02: Sabolski.
1:54
SPEAKER_02: When he was a writer, they did an initiative with Marvel where they're gonna make like manga Marvel characters, like do a little manga series, but editors couldn't write for comics.
2:04
SPEAKER_02: So he came up with a he was like, I know ja I know Japan.
2:08
SPEAKER_02: This is a white guy.
2:09
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, I know Japan, like I know all about Japanese culture.
2:12
SPEAKER_02: I basically am Japanese by association.
2:14
SPEAKER_02: And so he created a um like a a fake name to like write comics for the like write the manga for them for and it was like Akira something or another, and it's like, dude, you picked like the most popular like uh anime movie at the time to like to pick as your like name's sake, and he eventually got found out, and I mean nothing happened with it because he ended up getting promoted to editor-in-chief, but it's just funny.
2:39
SPEAKER_02: He was like, Yeah, I'm you know, Akira Ashida or something like that.
2:43
SPEAKER_01: It really it really does come back to like uh don't do this in a malicious way, but like lie a little bit on your resume because uh at the end of the day, if you get the job, you can like we're in a day and age where you can just go to Google and look up like non-AI tutorials now.
2:59
SPEAKER_01: But you look up tutorials and figure out how to use Excel in ten minutes if you have to.
3:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
3:05
SPEAKER_02: But back to our elephant in the room, AJ, how are you today?
3:09
SPEAKER_00: I am doing good.
3:11
SPEAKER_02: Uh yes, and AJ actually showed up and he watched the episodes with us this uh this week, which was pretty nice.
3:16
SPEAKER_02: Um he's visiting from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
3:21
SPEAKER_02: And um Yeah, so uh what are some of your like what's your memories with Dragon Ball?
3:26
SPEAKER_02: How did you start with Dragon Ball?
3:28
SPEAKER_02: Um, all that.
3:30
SPEAKER_00: My memories of Dragon watched pretty much all of Dragon Ball Z except Dragon Ball.
3:35
SPEAKER_00: It caught me at a weird thing.
3:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:37
SPEAKER_00: But my first like what got me into Dragon Ball was something in Dragon Ball Z.
3:44
SPEAKER_00: Like watching stuff that happened, yeah.
3:47
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, stuff that I can't say right now.
3:49
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
3:50
SPEAKER_02: Keeping those spoiler free keeping it spoiler free, but yeah, you saw like an arc or something or a character or yeah, yeah.
3:57
SPEAKER_02: Uh that's kinda how I mean, like, similar to what we did.
4:01
SPEAKER_02: Were were you watching it like did you were you a toonami kid, or did you just kind of catch it on country roll?
4:06
SPEAKER_00: It was uh toonami.
4:07
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we're just sitting in my grandfather's living room just watching whatever was on.
4:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
4:13
SPEAKER_00: And it came up.
4:14
SPEAKER_00: Cartoon Network turned a toonami.
4:15
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
4:16
SPEAKER_02: That seems to be like the majority that like when I when I talk to people, it's like, yeah, like if they're you know older than like 20.
4:24
SPEAKER_02: 20 or older.
4:26
SPEAKER_01: 20 is like the the cutoff.
4:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's like anybody older than 20, they're like, Yeah, I remember like watching Cartoon Network, and then randomly there's like Cowboy Bebop or something.
4:33
SPEAKER_01: Cowboy Bebop.
4:34
SPEAKER_01: I mean Pokemon obviously it wasn't necessarily in the Toonami slot, but like it was a Cartoon Network.
4:40
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Neon Genesis, whatever, whatever random one Toonami was like, here's an episode of something for you to watch.
4:46
SPEAKER_02: Like um, but yeah.
4:48
SPEAKER_02: Um, so yeah, you said you haven't seen any of OG Dragon Ball though.
4:52
SPEAKER_02: So how was your impressions of these two episodes before we get into them?
4:57
SPEAKER_00: Uh the I mean about what I expected because I've been listening listening along for At least like up until up until like a few months ago, but yeah.
5:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:08
SPEAKER_02: He said he has been listening up to about the fortune teller Baba stuff.
5:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:12
SPEAKER_02: And then he had to like drop for a bit, so.
5:15
SPEAKER_01: And now he's here, obviously.
5:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so it's kind of like, oh, he hasn't seen like forty like the last 40 episodes.
5:21
SPEAKER_02: Let's just throw him randomly into the Piccolo saga.
5:23
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, welcome, welcome to the King Piccolo saga.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:26
SPEAKER_01: Uh I guess that's that's this is a really funny place for you to pick up.
5:29
SPEAKER_01: I guess the only other place you could pick up was like the end of the tournament saga where Krillin dies.
5:34
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
5:34
SPEAKER_01: So your first episode is watching Krillin get married.
5:37
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we had to pause for a bit to be like, okay, so Krillin's dead.
5:40
SPEAKER_02: TM was a bad guy, but he is a good guy now.
5:42
SPEAKER_01: Um TM's been a good guy for maybe 10 episodes at the most.
5:46
SPEAKER_02: Um this Piccolo guy is a mean piece of work.
5:49
SPEAKER_02: Um Roshi is like legitimately traumatized by him.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
5:52
SPEAKER_02: Uh Yajurovi ate Simple, which was a funny thing when that popped up.
5:56
SPEAKER_02: He was like, Did you just eat tambourine?
5:58
SPEAKER_02: He's like, uh, no, he didn't eat tambourine, but he did eat symbol, you know.
6:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:02
SPEAKER_01: He he did eat one and he was going to eat tambourine, but Goku in his fury uh vaporized him, which we'll get into in a second.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:09
SPEAKER_02: Well yeah, I mean, uh just going back to it, like the episodes, like, how do you like do you like compared to like Dragon Ball Z, how would you like say this stacks up?
6:19
SPEAKER_00: It's a lot more faster pace.
6:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:22
SPEAKER_02: I I I would agree with that.
6:23
SPEAKER_01: It's it's a faster pace.
6:24
SPEAKER_01: It's definitely you can also tell um this one is way more catered towards like a younger ch kid audience than Dragon Ball Z is.
6:33
SPEAKER_01: As someone who doesn't really know a whole lot about Dragon Ball Z, the one thing I do know it's like it is that TV 30, it's like the Teen Titan, the original Teen Titans age group, where it's like you're shooting for that just just in middle school into high school range.
6:47
SPEAKER_02: That like tweener PG to just turning PG 13.
6:50
SPEAKER_01: You're you're you're you're starting to hit puberty and then getting to the end of puberty.
6:55
SPEAKER_01: That that like five-year frame of a human's life.
6:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
6:59
SPEAKER_02: And like Dragon Ball is like right before that.
7:01
SPEAKER_02: So it's like the eight to ten-year-old.
7:03
SPEAKER_01: It's literally it seems purpose built for like we c you watch Dragon Ball as and you're like watching the entire series as you're growing up.
7:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:13
SPEAKER_02: And like, yeah, because then you know you go to GT for a bit, then you go back to Super, and then now Dymo's back, and it's kind of from what I understand, it's good.
7:21
SPEAKER_02: I haven't seen Dymo yet.
7:23
SPEAKER_02: But it's it's good, but it's like, you know, kind of on that nostalgia.
7:27
SPEAKER_02: And even Super has that a bit where it's like, remember when this thing happened back in the show, and then it's like, well, here it is again.
7:34
SPEAKER_02: And there's like a few episodes like that.
7:36
SPEAKER_02: I've been watching uh trying to rewatch it recently, and there's like an episode where Ariel shows up, which I think you missed Ariel.
7:43
SPEAKER_00: Um I caught Ariel one like the first time she came out.
7:47
SPEAKER_02: The what the heck is going on part, yeah.
7:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
7:51
SPEAKER_01: Well, spoiler, she came back like twenty episodes ago.
7:55
SPEAKER_01: No, the movie.
7:56
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, she came back in the movie.
7:57
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, we she the third movie, Ariel's a major part of that.
8:01
SPEAKER_02: That movie's great, by the way, if you haven't seen it.
8:03
SPEAKER_02: The Mystical Adventure, it's like it breaks up, it takes all of the like part of the Red, the end of the Red Ribbon Army saga, and then all of the tournament saga and just smushes it together in like the most condensed fashion and messes with like your perception of stuff, so it's like Chiatsu like is a bad guy in the tournament saga, or like ambiguously bad, you know.
8:25
SPEAKER_02: He's like the antagonist for Krillad.
8:27
SPEAKER_02: But in the movie, he's just like a dumb king, you know, or like that kind of thing.
8:31
SPEAKER_02: But it yeah, I would definitely rec we recommend it highly here that the third movie, Far and Away, is the best movie so far.
8:38
SPEAKER_01: We're just saying something because for you it has Ariel in it.
8:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I hate Ariel.
8:43
SPEAKER_02: I was like, what in the absolute crap is this?
8:45
SPEAKER_02: And the episode where she shows up in Super is actually pretty great.
8:48
SPEAKER_02: Like re-watching it, you'll we'll get there eventually.
8:51
SPEAKER_01: But like we'll get there in five years or so.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
8:54
SPEAKER_02: Well, speaking of years, happy one year, one week, and six days adversary to you guys out there.
9:01
SPEAKER_02: Um, last Friday for us, which is two Fridays ago for you guys listening, uh, was our one year anniversary.
9:09
SPEAKER_02: And we didn't realize it when we were recording the stuff that came out, so that's just what you get.
9:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it didn't it didn't hit us.
9:15
SPEAKER_01: We sent each other like a hey, congratulations, it's awesome.
9:20
SPEAKER_01: Uh let's keep going.
9:21
unknown: Yeah.
9:21
SPEAKER_01: And like, I mean, looking at, you know, talk talking about numbers, we know we don't talk about numbers a whole lot because like it's not about the numbers here.
9:28
SPEAKER_01: But just getting into numbers, like when we first started releasing, we were averaging, you know, sub-10 people.
9:36
SPEAKER_01: And right now, like all the episodes are averaging I think the lowest I saw in the last two months was 13 on one episode.
9:44
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
9:45
SPEAKER_01: Everything's hitting at least 14.
9:46
SPEAKER_01: There's multiple that have hit 20 plus downloads, which is massive.
9:51
SPEAKER_01: Like that's that's a massive improvement from where we started.
9:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm thinking we're falling into the the zone of like a bingeable podcast from what I'm looking at.
10:00
SPEAKER_02: Like, not to again, not to jump into the brass tacks on our end, but it seems like we'll have like days where we'll get like a couple of downloads, and we'll have a day where we get like 40, and it's just one person sitting down and picking every episode from the beginning up to like where they stop at.
10:14
SPEAKER_01: Like which is which is a good sign like we are picking people up and they're wanting to invest the time into listening to what we have to say.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, which is cool.
10:22
SPEAKER_01: It makes me feel important.
10:24
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
10:25
SPEAKER_02: The number grow big and make my brain go happy.
10:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
10:28
SPEAKER_02: What is it?
10:29
SPEAKER_02: Uh, the serotonin.
10:30
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the serotonin goes crazy.
10:33
SPEAKER_01: The neuron activation.
10:34
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, thank you guys for listening for a year.
10:36
SPEAKER_02: Hopefully, we got many more years ahead of us.
10:39
SPEAKER_02: Um, we're probably gonna finish this this uh Dragon Ball, like finish Dragon Ball series towards the end of the year.
10:46
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, barring anything weird happening, like one of like a tragic accident or something, some weird stuff happening.
10:54
SPEAKER_01: We are on schedule, I think, to release the final episode of Dragon Ball.
10:59
SPEAKER_01: I th if I had to guess, I haven't done the math, but I think it's gonna be like mid to like probably late November, mid-December, like right before the new year.
11:08
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:09
SPEAKER_02: And that is gonna be great, because I'm sure that we can find some Dragon Ball Christmas specials that are real scuffed on YouTube to watch for Christmas this year.
11:17
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:17
SPEAKER_01: We can find some stuff.
11:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:19
SPEAKER_01: Um we get to kick the new the new the next year off, hopefully.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: With the Z Z.
11:24
SPEAKER_02: Not the new song to play it in the beginning of the show.
11:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:30
SPEAKER_02: We'll have to bring we'll have to bring AJ back on the show once we have the Z and try to get him get him back on here.
11:35
SPEAKER_01: So but like it's exciting.
11:38
SPEAKER_01: You know, Z is where most people know if you know anything about Dragon Ball, you probably know more about Z than any other series, unless you're actively still watching it week in, week out, then you might know more about the recent stuff.
11:52
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
11:53
SPEAKER_02: But I I really do enjoy starting with the original.
11:56
SPEAKER_02: It gives you such a background on the universe and the people and like the the like theory behind the whole thing, you know, like the impetus, the like the philosophy behind the universe, all of that.
12:09
SPEAKER_02: You get all of that from the beginning.
12:11
SPEAKER_02: Like, this is what Toriyama wanted this universe to look like.
12:14
SPEAKER_02: And even though it gets wild and crazy, and at some point if even multiverses and stuff are involved, but like it's still like full philosophically, this whole bubble is like built around this core.
12:27
SPEAKER_01: It's also like if you know we set out in a plan to be like, we're going to want to be as intelligent and as respectful and knowledgeable of what we are watching as possible, how do you do that?
12:37
SPEAKER_01: You watch the origin story.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: Even like like that I'm I'm that way with like YouTube series as well.
12:42
SPEAKER_01: Like uh there's like a DD YouTube series I used to watch called Thurley Intent.
12:46
SPEAKER_01: And like they even have a promo video for it where they're like, you can skip the first 40 episodes of this show because we had no idea what we were doing in the first 40 episodes.
12:55
SPEAKER_01: You know, I'm like, no, I want to know where everyone came from.
12:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
12:58
SPEAKER_01: And honestly, some of the most quotable, stupid stuff they get up to that show is in the first like 15 episodes of that of the show.
13:05
SPEAKER_02: But that's enough of us scaling along.
13:07
SPEAKER_02: That's not Dragon Ball.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: We're going to Dragon.
13:08
SPEAKER_02: And let's let's get back on track here.
13:10
SPEAKER_02: We have been talking for a bit, so let's get this going.
13:13
SPEAKER_02: Um, Goku's Revenge in Japan came out on April 13th, 1988, and in America on September 10th, 2003.
13:21
SPEAKER_02: Whereas Goku vs.
13:22
SPEAKER_02: King Piccolo came out on April 20th, 1988, and 9-11 of 2003.
13:28
SPEAKER_02: Um a couple years after everything that happened, obviously.
13:31
SPEAKER_02: But I said it like that so I could get the reaction that Jesse gave with the eyeball rays like, oh.
13:37
SPEAKER_01: Um it was a happier day for them in that year than it was two years before.
13:41
SPEAKER_02: Differences from the manga.
13:42
SPEAKER_02: Uh Roshi reminiscing about all of the meetings with Goku and Krillin, uh, only to be brought out by the Dragon Radar is added.
13:50
SPEAKER_02: Piccolo and his kind have five fingers in the anime, but four in the manga, which is something we've brought up every episode so far since Piccolo and his kind have shown up.
13:59
SPEAKER_02: Basically, until we're done with Piccolo right now, that's probably gonna be there.
14:04
SPEAKER_02: Yes.
14:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, when it appears that Goku was vaporized by Tambourine's blast, Yajirobi prepared to defend himself from the demon, but in the manga, Goku's just immediately there showing that he's okay.
14:16
SPEAKER_02: Uh Yajirobi starting a fire to cook tambourine is not in the manga.
14:20
SPEAKER_02: The entire search uh for the six-star ball in the ice cave's filler, as is finding out the ball is dropped there by a crow.
14:28
SPEAKER_02: Uh trivia for the first episode.
14:30
SPEAKER_02: In the English version, the recap of the previous episode erroneously has the narrator call Master Mutaito by Roshi's title, the Turtle Hermit, which he's not the Turtle Hermit, he's just like the master of both of them, like him and Crane.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: So.
14:45
SPEAKER_02: Um in the English dubs of the episode, Tambourine states that he is of the Warrior tribe, which is an indication he has a fair knowledge of all of the stuff that happens with Ping King Piccolo in the past and stuff.
14:57
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
14:58
SPEAKER_02: In the Japanese version, he only specifies that he's part of the demon warrior tribe.
15:03
SPEAKER_02: Um this episode features the third instance of Goku intentionally killing an opponent, with the first being the pirate robot and the second being Staff Officer Black.
15:13
SPEAKER_02: In previous fights, uh, Goku's opponents have died of their own attacks, such as like against Ninja Murasaki.
15:19
SPEAKER_02: He's also responsible for the death of Grandpa Gohan, but it will, you know, also was unintentional.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't remember that.
15:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
15:26
SPEAKER_02: Mei in the Japanese version mentions Godzilla when speculating who could be out there killing Piccolo's spawn, which I find funny.
15:33
SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know, maybe it's this Godzilla guy walking around.
15:36
SPEAKER_02: It's funny to think that there's a Godzilla.
15:38
SPEAKER_02: We've seen like multiple Godzilla references in Dragon Ball so far.
15:42
SPEAKER_02: It'd be so funny if just like there's just full-on Godzilla, just like stomping around in the Dragon Ball universe.
15:47
SPEAKER_01: What's funny about the Godzilla references is purely just because I think Toriyama was very well known to absolutely love Godzilla media.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Which is why he loves throwing him around all the time.
15:57
SPEAKER_01: But and maybe I'm just stalking my butt.
15:59
SPEAKER_01: But I'm pretty sure I remember, like, that's a fun fact about him is he just loves Godzilla.
16:03
SPEAKER_02: I I would believe it, you know.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
16:05
SPEAKER_02: Um, differences in the manga in the second episode is Piccolo and his kind have five fingers in the anime, but four in the manga.
16:12
SPEAKER_02: Uh the scene of Roshi and all of them flying towards the fifth Dragon Ball isn't in the manga.
16:17
SPEAKER_02: Piano boasting on Piccolo's uh prowess as he floats down isn't there.
16:22
SPEAKER_02: Piccolo amusing about Goku making him pay for his part in Krillin's death isn't in the manga.
16:27
SPEAKER_02: In the anime, Pilaf initially stands in a box while watching Goku and Piccolo, only to fall off when Goku has appeared to be winning.
16:36
SPEAKER_02: In the manga, his footing is on the roof of the ship, just like Shue Mei and Piano.
16:41
SPEAKER_02: Piccolo unleashing his battle aura and Goku being overwhelmed by it isn't in the manga.
16:46
SPEAKER_02: Roshi finding the three-star ball and all of that is not in the manga.
16:50
SPEAKER_02: The whole bol boulder running scene.
16:52
SPEAKER_02: Um, Goku bites Piccolo's thumb and is quickly thrown off before scurrying away in the manga.
16:58
SPEAKER_02: In the anime, he holds on for a little bit longer and takes m way more of a beating than he probably does in the manga for it.
17:03
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
17:04
SPEAKER_02: Um then following from the above, Piccolo uses a finger beam, but Goku regains consciousness to dodge it.
17:12
SPEAKER_02: But, you know, in the manga, it's just the one time, not like the 57 times of him being like, dance, puppet, dang it, it's just blowing up different rocks.
17:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
17:22
SPEAKER_02: Um the trivia is when Goku kicks Piccolo for the first time, the shade of his skin color changes in one scene before reverting back to the normal.
17:31
SPEAKER_02: It happens again when Goku tries lunging at him only to be countered.
17:34
SPEAKER_02: So there's a couple times where his skin color is slightly not green.
17:39
SPEAKER_02: And so that's all we have for it.
17:41
SPEAKER_02: So, previously on Dragon Ball.
17:45
SPEAKER_02: Goku is up to no good in the first episode, and that is him getting his vengeance back on Tambourine, where it is not much of a fight.
17:55
SPEAKER_02: Tambourine definitely overestimates him from the first encounter, and Goku makes him pay for that.
18:01
SPEAKER_02: As Tambourine's flying away, Goku vaporizes him, which then draws in the eye the eyes of King Piccolo, who is flying towards him, and eventually they meet up and fight, and Goku ha seems to have the upper hand to start, and then Piccolo quickly puts him in his place.
18:18
SPEAKER_02: And that is the Goku plot.
18:20
SPEAKER_02: Meanwhile, in the B plot, we have Roshi, Tian, and Chiatsu going on silly little tasks to go grab Dragon Balls from random places.
18:28
SPEAKER_02: And that's what you missed on Dragon Ball, Jesse, or AJ, whichever one.
18:32
SPEAKER_02: Go for it.
18:34
SPEAKER_01: Pretty good episodes.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: I like it.
18:35
SPEAKER_01: Again, it feels like we're in a situation where there's probably not gonna be a whole lot to complain about in this saga.
18:42
SPEAKER_01: We haven't had a whole lot to complain about in the last the last couple episodes of the saga, so I think we're if we're gonna complain, it's probably in the next two or three episodes, if I had to guess, purely because it just feels like once Piccolo's done bullying Goku next episode maybe he screws off, he thinks Goku's dead or something.
19:06
SPEAKER_01: Like we have another excuse for why Piccolo's not dead yet.
19:10
SPEAKER_01: Because obviously Goku's probably not gonna finish him off either.
19:14
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's uh definitely doesn't feel like Goku is set up in a spot where he is going to be able to like win this fight.
19:22
SPEAKER_02: It's this is definitely like round one of a two to three round fight where Goku is just gonna get his butt kicked in round one.
19:29
SPEAKER_02: Need to go find go find some power up and then come back and beat him in round two.
19:33
SPEAKER_01: Go climb the corn tower again, there you go.
19:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, maybe he will.
19:38
SPEAKER_01: Or the Norkin Norkin Tower?
19:43
SPEAKER_01: Corn backwards, I don't know.
19:44
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, he finds the Norkin man.
19:48
SPEAKER_02: It's not a cat, it's a dog, and the dog really just loves him.
19:52
SPEAKER_02: He loves him so much that he gets extra powers from it.
19:54
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, something like that.
19:56
SPEAKER_02: Who knows?
19:57
SPEAKER_02: I guess we'll all see.
19:58
SPEAKER_02: We know there's a dog president of the whole continent of go of Dragon Ball universe.
20:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:05
SPEAKER_01: But like these it's you know, these are good episodes.
20:09
SPEAKER_01: They're not like the best episodes.
20:11
SPEAKER_02: They're not peak, but they do what they're supposed to do.
20:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
20:15
SPEAKER_01: They're really getting into the meat and potatoes of this arc a lot faster than possibility.
20:21
SPEAKER_01: Because I think I think I'm pretty sure I commented last episode.
20:24
SPEAKER_01: Like, wow, Goku vs.
20:25
SPEAKER_01: King Piccolo.
20:26
SPEAKER_01: Like Goku's Revenge and Goku versus King Piccolo.
20:28
SPEAKER_00: That is fast.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:30
SPEAKER_00: So like they're setting up like the big bad hey.
20:33
SPEAKER_00: He a big bad for a reason.
20:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
20:36
SPEAKER_02: There's a reason Roshi is like traumatized.
20:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
20:39
SPEAKER_02: And it's because yeah, he's faced this guy and barely lived to tell the tail.
20:42
SPEAKER_02: One note from this episode that I found cool was like um Yajorobi being like, oh, I've heard that name.
20:49
SPEAKER_02: Oh no, I know that name.
20:50
SPEAKER_02: You can have the Dragon Ball now.
20:52
SPEAKER_00: That's an anti-tank crowd.
20:53
SPEAKER_02: This whole like the whole time since we've been seeing like Yajorobi, he's like, no, this is my ball.
20:58
SPEAKER_02: You want it so that it's going, I'm gonna keep it.
21:00
SPEAKER_02: And then he's like, oh, your King Piccolo's coming after him.
21:03
SPEAKER_01: And like he hears that name, and within like five seconds, he's like, I don't want the ball anymore.
21:08
SPEAKER_02: I'm also I'm I'm I'm full, don't worry about it.
21:10
SPEAKER_02: I don't need to anymore.
21:12
SPEAKER_02: I'm done.
21:13
SPEAKER_02: He would like kicks out some air to go, whoo, whoo, yeah.
21:16
SPEAKER_02: I might have to go.
21:17
SPEAKER_01: Oh, some tasty nothing I just ate.
21:20
SPEAKER_01: No real tasty nothing.
21:22
SPEAKER_02: Oh, pure ready for nothing.
21:28
SPEAKER_02: But yeah, it is these these uh I find it crazy that they kind of start the first episode with like following like um the gang, the the B plot.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
21:38
SPEAKER_02: Like we start with Roshi and the gang.
21:40
SPEAKER_02: And you get the sad flashback.
21:42
SPEAKER_02: So if you haven't been watching, you can see where Goku mur first met Roshi, and you can see where Krillin first met Roshi.
21:49
SPEAKER_02: And it's so sad.
21:49
SPEAKER_01: And some of the ant small antics they got along undead.
21:53
SPEAKER_02: It's very sad to see Krillin again.
21:55
SPEAKER_02: Every time they show him, I just cry a little bit later.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: That's a beast.
21:58
SPEAKER_02: He's the goat.
22:00
SPEAKER_02: Believe he never comes back.
22:01
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it sucks.
22:02
SPEAKER_02: Even like Roshi's like, yeah, we ain't bringing him back with this first one.
22:05
SPEAKER_02: We're killing that fool.
22:06
SPEAKER_01: Because Roshi is thunder the understanding that Goku died like 15 days ago.
22:12
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
22:18
SPEAKER_02: Goku was dead when he flew after one of the minions.
22:21
SPEAKER_02: That's what, to catch you up on what happened in the few episodes before this, AJ.
22:25
SPEAKER_02: So Krillin dies in the end of the um the end of the tournament, second tournament saga.
22:31
SPEAKER_02: And Goku uh sees the monster, what sees Tambourine fly off.
22:36
SPEAKER_02: At that point, we don't know it's Tambourine, but like he sees him fly off, and so he calls him Flying Nimbus and takes off after him.
22:41
SPEAKER_02: And everybody's like, What are you doing?
22:43
SPEAKER_02: Like, don't do that, you'll die.
22:44
SPEAKER_01: Roshi literally tells him, I demand you to stay.
22:48
SPEAKER_01: And then Goku takes off, and Rosie's like, I guess he's gonna die.
22:51
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:52
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Well, let's let's get another casket going.
22:54
SPEAKER_01: And then Goku still never comes back and like, yeah, must be dead.
22:57
SPEAKER_02: Goku would Goku would never stay away this long.
23:00
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, because like he Roshi goes in at that point being like, This is who King Piccolo is.
23:05
SPEAKER_02: He was around like thousands of years ago when I was still young and had hair.
23:09
SPEAKER_02: And had hair, and me and Crane were kind of friends, which Crane was Tien's former master.
23:14
SPEAKER_02: Um he's they're like, they used to they trained under Mutaito.
23:18
SPEAKER_02: And Piccolo killed all of us except for us three.
23:22
SPEAKER_02: Mutaito left in shame, but learned the evil containment wave came back, trapped Piccolo, and doing so kill he died from the energy drain, and that's that's kind of all there is to it.
23:33
SPEAKER_02: And now that Piccolo's back, well, we're all just kind of dead.
23:36
SPEAKER_02: Like, there's nothing much we can do.
23:38
SPEAKER_02: Yep, let's find the Dragon Balls and hope we can like the dragon can kill him, you know.
23:42
SPEAKER_02: Hope we can make a wish that kills him.
23:44
SPEAKER_02: Um and then like uh Piccolo's plot is like these ding martial artists have caused me so many problems.
23:49
SPEAKER_02: Tambourine, go kill all the martial artists.
23:51
SPEAKER_02: So that's why Krillin in the first place is he was going to get a list of all the martial artists, and while he was there, he saw a Dragon Ball and grabbed it.
23:58
SPEAKER_02: Because P-Loff has told Piccolo, you can get the Dragon Ball's wish to be eternally youthful, and there you go.
24:04
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it can never be stopped.
24:05
SPEAKER_02: That's kind of the plot going into these episodes.
24:08
SPEAKER_02: And so then he creates uh Cymbal, and Symbol's the Dragon Ball Hunter, while Tambourine's the um martial arts killer.
24:16
SPEAKER_02: So and then you see some of the other martial artists we've seen, like Jiren and Bacteria, both of Bacterian both got killed off during the screen, and a couple of the the other fighters we've seen on the screen.
24:26
SPEAKER_02: Pomput got murdered.
24:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, um, King Choppa, they were both characters in the the second tournament saga.
24:32
SPEAKER_02: And yeah.
24:33
SPEAKER_02: And that's that's what you missed on Dragon Ball.
24:36
SPEAKER_02: Um but yeah, so seeing all of this and like saying all of that just gets you up.
24:42
SPEAKER_02: It's like Roshi fully with his traumatic his trauma that comes with like seeing um Piccolo again is like, oh yeah, everybody's dead, we're all dead.
24:52
SPEAKER_01: And also, like, the reason another reason why he assumes Goku is dead is during the because they were at dinner and Goku realized he forgot his Dragon Ball, and that's why Krillin went back.
25:02
SPEAKER_01: Well while they were waiting on Krillin to come back, Goku didn't touch any of his food.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: So not only did Goku fly off in a fit of rage, he flew off in a fit of rage and was hungry, which is at this point because he's gotten over the tail weakness.
25:13
SPEAKER_01: The only way Goku is not at full strength.
25:16
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
25:16
SPEAKER_01: And so he's hungry.
25:17
SPEAKER_02: He's flying off hungry, and that's part of the reason why.
25:19
SPEAKER_02: I mean, we saw what happened when he wasn't hungry, is like he beat the crap out of tambourine, but tambourine like knocked him out in one punch and killed Nimbus.
25:27
SPEAKER_02: Like dissipated the flying Nimbus for like permanently the original one.
25:32
SPEAKER_02: We like we know he's gonna get another one, but like the original one is gone forever after that.
25:37
SPEAKER_02: So, yeah.
25:38
SPEAKER_02: Um, having Roshi and all of like Roshi's trauma is just and like even like you know, Tien's like, but there's the containment wave, like why can't we do that?
25:48
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, no, because the last time somebody used the containment wave, they died.
25:52
SPEAKER_02: So it's like I can't lose another one.
25:54
SPEAKER_02: You remind me of Mutai.
25:56
SPEAKER_01: He's like, I don't want to sacrifice myself, and I certainly don't want you sacrificing yourself.
26:00
SPEAKER_02: But master, I'm young, it won't do a drain on me as much.
26:04
SPEAKER_01: Yes, but but my cousin Jackie, he promised that you would be the one who would take over fighting everybody at the March Live tournament.
26:10
SPEAKER_01: I can't have you die, then Jackie has to keep working.
26:12
SPEAKER_01: Jackie retires.
26:14
SPEAKER_02: He went to go cook fried chicken at the KFC.
26:17
SPEAKER_01: Cook fried chicken at the KFC and drink margaritas.
26:19
SPEAKER_01: Why would he want to?
26:20
SPEAKER_01: He doesn't want to come back to fighting.
26:23
SPEAKER_01: He's going to open Jackie Chan's margarita bill.
26:25
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
26:27
SPEAKER_02: That was the end joke there.
26:29
SPEAKER_02: So um, but yeah, um we tambourine gets his butt kicked.
26:34
SPEAKER_02: Like it's not even close.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: Speed blitzed.
26:36
SPEAKER_01: Tambourine, like, because at first tambourine laughs off the whole, well, last time I was hungry.
26:41
SPEAKER_01: I'm not hungry anymore.
26:42
SPEAKER_01: He's like, sure, that's gonna make a difference.
26:44
SPEAKER_01: And then, like, within two seconds, he's like, oh no, it made a difference.
26:48
SPEAKER_02: Because he's a Goku starts out with just running around him in circles for like 30 seconds, and he's like, What is going on?
26:53
SPEAKER_02: No, no, no, what he's so fat.
26:55
SPEAKER_02: And then he gets like takes an elbow to the phase, and then takes the people's elbow to the phase.
26:59
SPEAKER_02: And then Goku just lands like a 50-piece combo on him.
27:03
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Okay, so Tambourine's dead now, and Tambourine's like, I ain't dead yet.
27:07
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna fly away.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: And he's like, Oh, I thought I should have finished you off.
27:10
SPEAKER_02: Anyways, com out.
27:12
SPEAKER_02: Murders him vaporizes him.
27:15
SPEAKER_02: He's completely gone.
27:16
SPEAKER_02: Took no prisoners whatsoever in this fight.
27:19
SPEAKER_00: Didn't even show any remorse in his face afterwards either.
27:22
SPEAKER_02: He was like, that was for Krillin.
27:24
SPEAKER_01: There's one way to shoot yourself to the top of the Goku will probably commit murder against two faces, is committing murder in front of Goku.
27:32
SPEAKER_01: Against one of his friends.
27:33
SPEAKER_02: Against one of his friends.
27:34
SPEAKER_02: And showing no remorse either.
27:36
SPEAKER_02: Like, I can forgive murder.
27:38
SPEAKER_02: But no remorse is what I draw the line.
27:40
SPEAKER_02: You can forgive murder?
27:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm all about forgiveness.
27:44
SPEAKER_02: We forget murder in here?
27:45
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
27:45
SPEAKER_02: Uh yeah.
27:47
SPEAKER_02: That's the A plot of the first episode.
27:49
SPEAKER_02: The Roshi plot is also not a whole lot in this episode, to be honest, you know.
27:54
SPEAKER_01: The Roshi plot is you have you seen people collect Dragon Balls before?
27:59
SPEAKER_01: You know exactly what Roshi and Tin are doing, minus what they're saying while they're doing it.
28:04
SPEAKER_02: Have you seen the first 10 to 12 episodes of Dragon Ball?
28:07
SPEAKER_02: Now picture it with these guys.
28:08
SPEAKER_01: Now picture it with no Goku whatsoever.
28:11
SPEAKER_01: No Goku.
28:12
SPEAKER_01: No Bulma.
28:14
SPEAKER_02: No U longs.
28:15
SPEAKER_02: So much more streamlined, you know?
28:17
SPEAKER_01: It's almost like we're not introducing more new characters every episode.
28:20
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: It's almost like we ac we there's no new characters, and they have a jet plane, so they can go wherever in the universe immediately.
28:28
SPEAKER_00: We just needed them to do something.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: We need them to be moving so that way when we inevitably need them to show up to help Goku at some point, they're already on the way, you know?
28:39
SPEAKER_02: We have to have them driving around so they'll come eventually.
28:43
SPEAKER_02: And so yeah, the f the B plot of these two episodes is Roshi and Tien get out of the plane and go and fight some crows and grab a dragon ball.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: And then Roshi and Tien and Chiyatsu get out of a plane, find a dra Roshi finds a dragon ball and gets smushed up against a rock.
28:58
SPEAKER_01: And then the dragon ball drops down into like a giant ravine chasm thing.
29:02
SPEAKER_02: And they will probably get it next episode, and then they'll start heading towards Goku and them, probably just in time to save Goku from the big bad piccolo from killing them.
29:12
SPEAKER_00: Yep.
29:12
SPEAKER_00: Who would've thought?
29:14
SPEAKER_02: And that's not even a prediction, that's a fact right there.
29:16
SPEAKER_02: And I'm not spoiling, I just felt like we could all kind of figure out what was going on there.
29:20
SPEAKER_01: I feel like it's uh about as obvious as possible.
29:24
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
29:25
SPEAKER_01: If you watch the same episodes we did and you didn't watch the wrong episodes, you can two too can come to the conclusion like me.
29:31
SPEAKER_02: Cut chap.
29:34
SPEAKER_02: But since we finished the first episode, the second episode, my first note is if you're coming for the king, you best not miss.
29:42
SPEAKER_02: Because that that that is what is happening in this episode is you want to go after the king, literally, King Piccolo, you best not miss if you're not.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you gotta kill him fast.
29:51
SPEAKER_02: You got one shot and one opportunity.
29:54
SPEAKER_02: And Goku misses it in his first opportunity.
29:57
SPEAKER_02: His one opportunity in these episodes.
30:01
SPEAKER_01: He pulls the same thing he does against Tambourine, where it's like Goku's really used to winning either winning in like a five-punch combo, or being on an equal enough footing that if you don't win immediately, he's probably gonna win in the next five minutes.
30:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: How long last you and the problem is uh King Piccolo's the first person since TN, which I mean is a really relatively recent fight for Goku, but the first person since TN who he can't do that again.
30:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
30:38
SPEAKER_02: And the first person like going on to what you're like to piggyback off what you're saying, it's kind of like, you know, the first tournament saga where like him and Jackie are going blow for blow, and then Jackie just wins the War of Attrition.
30:51
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
30:52
SPEAKER_02: And because he's smarter, he's able to beat Goku at the end.
30:55
SPEAKER_02: It's the same thing here where Piccolo's like, I can out last I can outlast your damage, and then I'll just knock you out.
31:02
SPEAKER_02: Like you're gonna get tired eventually.
31:05
SPEAKER_02: It's like when Ronda Rousey first lost in UFC, where it's like she she always got she always won in like first round knockouts, you know, like 10 seconds, maybe 30 seconds max.
31:15
SPEAKER_02: The moment she had to go to like pass the first round is the moment where she loses.
31:19
SPEAKER_02: Like, yeah.
31:20
SPEAKER_01: It is the problem with like it's those those glass cannon style like martial artists and stuff, where it's like they're so reliant on hitting you before you get into a rhythm that if you can just survive it, they have it trained to have the stamina capacity beyond round one and a half.
31:41
SPEAKER_02: And like for Goku, it like the excuse that you can give Goku is that he's young.
31:45
SPEAKER_02: Like he's still mostly he's like a very early teenager at this point.
31:49
SPEAKER_02: Like, I think if we're doing the math, he's like 12 or 13 now.
31:52
SPEAKER_02: He's like very, very young.
31:53
SPEAKER_01: It's like it's like it really does it it kind of reminds me of like boxing history.
31:58
SPEAKER_01: I don't know if you know anything about boxing history, but when boxing first became a sport, you would fight until someone gave up.
32:04
SPEAKER_01: So like the longest boxing match, I think, in history, was 68 rounds in like the early 19 either like the late 18 or early 1900s.
32:14
SPEAKER_01: So like um in you can take that in the fact of Piccolo's kind of from that early, like it feels like he's kind of from that early A stage of martial arts where you would probably have fights that last hours.
32:26
SPEAKER_01: And Goku has grown up in like modern boxing where it's like someone wins in 12 rounds, or you just come back and fight again a few months after you train a little bit more.
32:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
32:36
SPEAKER_01: And that, I mean, yeah, for sure.
32:37
SPEAKER_01: It's a great way to kind of compare that where it's like Piccolo has fought those 60 out eight round round fights.
32:44
SPEAKER_02: But has he though?
32:46
SPEAKER_02: Because I would like to posit that he has not fought a real fight in millennia, Jesse.
32:51
SPEAKER_02: Probably like, as far as we know, like all we know about Piccolo is he showed up one day on Earth and just killed everybody, basically.
32:59
SPEAKER_02: He killed I think they said they killed like two-thirds of the population of the world.
33:02
SPEAKER_02: Like he he basically eradicated the entire but he's from that.
33:05
SPEAKER_01: He's he he fought against martial artists from that from that era.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but if you're if we're thinking the eras were the same way, I'm just I'm just throwing a possibility out there.
33:15
SPEAKER_01: Like that you also have to imagine, like, he he's in, he's used to being in it for a long haul.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: Also, he's been sitting on the sidelines for the last like two weeks, probably.
33:25
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:26
SPEAKER_01: And Goku just finished beating up Tambourine.
33:28
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
33:29
SPEAKER_01: Going full speed, and now he's going full speed against Piccolo.
33:31
SPEAKER_01: It's like, we're at, you know, Goku's in round three, and Piccolo's in 30 seconds into round one.
33:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, true.
33:40
SPEAKER_02: It's over.
33:41
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
33:41
SPEAKER_02: And that is kind of the fight, is just that like Goku gets some good punches in to start, and he definitely surprises Piccolo.
33:48
SPEAKER_02: Like, Piccolo really thought he was just gonna walk into the colour.
33:50
SPEAKER_01: Piccolo l a literal quote from Piccolo's like, I'm not scared.
33:54
SPEAKER_01: And then Goku starts taking off, and he's like, He's quick! He's quick.
33:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
34:02
SPEAKER_01: And then he gets hit with a combo.
34:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and then like Piano's laughing as like Pilaf and all of them are like, oh no, Piccolo's gonna die.
34:10
SPEAKER_01: And Piano's like, nah.
34:11
SPEAKER_01: Piccolo's gonna die.
34:12
SPEAKER_01: He's like us in the first half, not gonna lie.
34:15
SPEAKER_02: He hit him with like the sets up in the chair.
34:17
SPEAKER_01: He's like, ugh.
34:19
SPEAKER_01: It's like when you fight your dad for the first time.
34:22
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, it's like, yeah, I knocked him out.
34:25
SPEAKER_01: He's like, ugh, and then he takes he takes the shirt off, like, I'm gonna die.
34:29
SPEAKER_02: And you're like, you're like, thanks, you finally got that crick out of my neck.
34:34
SPEAKER_02: I've been trying to get rid of that bat pen for years.
34:36
SPEAKER_02: You finally did it for me.
34:40
SPEAKER_01: You must die.
34:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
34:44
SPEAKER_02: And then my one of my notes I have here after the Yajorobi's not ready for the smoke when he like pieces out is no one loves watching Dragon Ball more than the characters in Dragon Ball.
34:55
SPEAKER_02: Because what is everyone around this fight doing watching Dragon Ball?
34:59
SPEAKER_02: Could Yajorobi help a little bit?
35:01
SPEAKER_02: Maybe?
35:02
SPEAKER_02: Possibly.
35:03
SPEAKER_02: No, he's just gonna watch.
35:05
SPEAKER_01: If if could Yajorobi and Goku have probably overwhelmed Piccolo before he got fully warmed up?
35:12
SPEAKER_01: Probably.
35:15
SPEAKER_02: Yajorobi has sliced one of these fools in half already, you know.
35:18
SPEAKER_02: Like he can slice another one in half.
35:21
SPEAKER_02: It's not like these guys can regrow body parts or anything.
35:23
SPEAKER_02: Like he just chop some arms off and go back to me know at least.
35:26
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
35:27
SPEAKER_02: So like he can just chop some arms off and then Goku can give him the 28-piece extra combo, you know.
35:33
SPEAKER_02: Extra sauce on the side, you know?
35:35
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: But no.
35:36
SPEAKER_02: Yadrobi's like, but I got a good seat to watch this.
35:40
SPEAKER_02: Let me just let me just chill here.
35:41
SPEAKER_02: So much so that he's like, Oh, Goku, don't run towards me.
35:45
SPEAKER_02: Goku, I got the best seat in the house.
35:47
SPEAKER_02: Don't blow my spot.
35:48
SPEAKER_02: Don't run my cover.
35:50
SPEAKER_02: And then you've got like Pilaf and them up there with the binoculars and the nosebleeds, like, watching too, like, oh yeah, that's a good fight down there.
35:58
SPEAKER_01: Ah, real glad I'm not that guy.
36:00
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
36:02
SPEAKER_01: Which guy, either of them.
36:03
unknown: Yeah.
36:04
SPEAKER_02: And then one of my notes I do have here is I love when Goku just turns into an animal.
36:09
SPEAKER_02: Like the fight goes so s go goes so bad for him that he's just like, you know.
36:14
SPEAKER_02: We had it in a few episodes ago where Goku's running around like a cheetah, like a dog chasing a bone, like as he goes to eat like the fish and stuff.
36:24
SPEAKER_02: Or he like goes to eat the fruit first, and it's like the fruit's like a monster or something.
36:27
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:28
SPEAKER_02: It's like anytime Goku's just like at his wit's end, he just turns into an animal.
36:33
SPEAKER_02: Panic point.
36:34
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and so he's going up against Piccolo and he just bites Piccolo in the hand, and he will not let go.
36:39
SPEAKER_02: It's like release, release, slam, slam, slam, uh, huh.
36:45
SPEAKER_02: Let go, you fool! But he does draw blood.
36:51
SPEAKER_02: And as we know from Arnold Schwartzenaker, if it bleeds, you can kill it.
36:57
unknown: It can die.
36:58
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
36:59
SPEAKER_02: But is Goku gonna be the one to make him die?
37:02
SPEAKER_02: Not from what we see, because uh Piccolo punches him straight in the face and then has him dance him with his little laser electric beam power.
37:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
37:13
SPEAKER_02: I mean, that's gonna be supposed to go.
37:19
SPEAKER_02: And then Goku charges up all of his energy for one final Kamehameha, and it doesn't even leave a scratch.
37:26
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, Piccolo does like get concerned for half a second until he realizes it's not the evil containment wave.
37:33
SPEAKER_01: He's like, Oh, it's not the evil containment wave, it's not gonna do nothing.
37:36
SPEAKER_02: And so he just literally parts and he's just like, I'll let you see that it doesn't do nothing, because it'll demoralize you before I beat you up some more.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
37:47
SPEAKER_00: Finally!
37:47
SPEAKER_03: Taco Blue.
37:52
SPEAKER_02: And that's what is going on in Dragon Ball.
37:54
SPEAKER_02: So, uh, Jesse, best part, or what's your worst part, Jesse?
37:59
SPEAKER_02: Uh, worst part.
38:00
SPEAKER_01: Um, Yadurobi helped Goku, bro.
38:03
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, Yajerobi, what are you?
38:04
SPEAKER_02: What are you doing, y'all?
38:06
SPEAKER_02: Uh I'm probably.
38:07
SPEAKER_01: If you have to say anything, if I didn't want to go with that, my auto moment would probably be like we could have gotten out of the crow cave without getting chased, but it was kind of funny that they got chased.
38:20
SPEAKER_01: But that wasted a little extra time.
38:22
SPEAKER_02: Worst part, AJ.
38:23
SPEAKER_00: Worst part, I can't take cave, can I?
38:25
SPEAKER_02: Nah, I mean you can.
38:26
SPEAKER_02: You can cop out.
38:27
SPEAKER_02: We've done it occasionally.
38:28
SPEAKER_02: If there's not very many worst parts, they'll be like, yeah, there's just really one.
38:31
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's one glaringly obvious.
38:33
SPEAKER_00: Probably the worst part is them just kind of keep looking at the dragon radar.
38:36
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
38:37
SPEAKER_00: They just kept doing it.
38:38
SPEAKER_00: It was like they did it like four times.
38:40
SPEAKER_02: And my worst part is while they're in the crow when they're going to find the dragon ball in the crow cave, you see Tien walking, then you see Roshi walking, then you see Tien and Roshi walking, and then you see Tien and Roshi walking away from the camera, and then you see Tien and Roshi walking.
38:56
SPEAKER_01: And then every now and then you'll flash to a stalactite tripping.
38:59
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and it's like, yeah, that I was like, come on guys, this is.
39:03
SPEAKER_01: And then Roshi at one point gets scared because he stalactite drips on to him.
39:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
39:08
SPEAKER_01: And so they have to stop and look up and see the stalacti, and then he's somehow covered in feathers.
39:12
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
39:13
SPEAKER_02: And so yeah, it's like that though that that part where it's just like it just goes on for it's like when you're watching like a TikTok and it's like w me eating my sandwich, or me making it, or going to grab my sandwich, if it was one piece, and it's like you stand up from the tr stand up from the chair, stand up from the chair, take a face step, step, yeah.
39:31
SPEAKER_02: The pacing and like the pacing in this, it's just like screw and it's like, okay, I could do without it.
39:40
SPEAKER_01: We gotta we hey guys, we gotta fill a bunch of dead space.
39:43
SPEAKER_01: I know how to fill some dead space walking in a cave.
39:47
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and there's crows.
39:50
SPEAKER_02: And it's like, as we found out, that's all like added for the end.
39:55
SPEAKER_02: It's like that and the rock thing is all added for the end.
39:57
SPEAKER_01: I think both Dragon Balls that Groshi and them went after in this episode was like I think they might have like hinted at it.
40:04
SPEAKER_01: I think you said.
40:05
SPEAKER_02: They said they saw the c they they got the dragon ball from the cave, um, but there wasn't very there wasn't any crows involved.
40:11
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:11
SPEAKER_02: And then the second one they just showed him having it.
40:13
SPEAKER_01: So he just already had it.
40:15
SPEAKER_01: They didn't even show them getting it in the in the ravine cavern thing.
40:18
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
40:19
SPEAKER_01: Being chased by a rock.
40:21
SPEAKER_02: Dropping it down a ravine.
40:22
SPEAKER_02: All of that was just all added.
40:25
SPEAKER_02: Um, but yeah, that it's there's not a lot of worst parts, so I'm gonna pick the one that stood out to me the most.
40:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm like, come on, guys.
40:32
SPEAKER_02: Um, but Jesse.
40:33
SPEAKER_02: Best part.
40:34
SPEAKER_02: Best part.
40:36
SPEAKER_02: I was like, You're good.
40:37
SPEAKER_02: You're good.
40:38
SPEAKER_02: I went right to you right as you did it.
40:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh no, best part, I would have to the two nominations I have is just Goku absolutely mollywapping tambourine.
40:49
unknown: Yeah.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: Or like immediately after, followed by Yachiroby complaining about not getting to eat tambourine.
40:59
SPEAKER_01: And then like complaining about even hungry.
41:01
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:02
SPEAKER_02: AJ, best part.
41:03
SPEAKER_00: My best part was probab would probably at the very end whenever he uh Goku hits uh King Piccolo with the kame, he just kinda sat in there like, mmm.
41:12
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
41:13
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, the aura the aura farming in this episode is great.
41:15
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
41:16
SPEAKER_02: We're finally getting aura farming King Piccolo.
41:19
SPEAKER_02: Um and I'm gonna take a third best part.
41:22
SPEAKER_02: It's another Yad Jorobi moment.
41:23
SPEAKER_02: It's the moment where Yadorobi realizes like re where he recognizes King Piccolo's name, and it's like, here you go, here's the drinker.
41:30
SPEAKER_02: I'm not hungry.
41:31
SPEAKER_02: I'm gonna I'm I I got some.
41:32
SPEAKER_02: Oh, mom?
41:33
SPEAKER_02: Mom, are you calling for me?
41:34
SPEAKER_02: Oh sorry, my mom's calling for me.
41:35
SPEAKER_02: It runs off.
41:36
SPEAKER_02: Well, you said your mom died.
41:39
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it runs off.
41:40
SPEAKER_01: Uh she's calling for me because she can't she's Jesus.
41:45
SPEAKER_02: And so uh let's jump into our prediction section where Jesse predicted that Goku will get his revenge with tambourine.
41:54
SPEAKER_02: And Goku will fight King Piccolo because the name of the episode was Goku's Revenge and Goku versus King Piccolo.
42:00
SPEAKER_02: So what is he gonna figure out there, you know?
42:02
SPEAKER_01: I uh I wasn't really taking any chances with not getting anything right this time.
42:07
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
42:07
SPEAKER_02: As we know, Jesse is not always the best at guessing when it's ambiguous what the answer could be.
42:13
SPEAKER_01: But boy, you give me some obvious, obvious choices.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: The only way I'm wrong is if you lied to me.
42:18
SPEAKER_02: So, Jesse, you want to hear the episode names for the next two?
42:21
SPEAKER_01: I can't wait.
42:22
SPEAKER_02: It is Piccolo closes in and Roshi's gambit.
42:27
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
42:28
SPEAKER_01: Well, I think Roshi starts speaking in a Louisiana acne kid.
42:37
SPEAKER_02: Oh, you know how long I've been waiting for this.
42:39
SPEAKER_02: I didn't even know when he gave me here, we got those we got those real than we got those over the minute.
42:44
SPEAKER_02: Well, who is your little dialect coach?
42:47
SPEAKER_02: Alright, Jesse, but for real.
42:49
SPEAKER_01: No, for real, okay.
42:50
SPEAKER_02: Uh Roshi's What do you think's gonna happen in Piccolo closes in?
42:56
SPEAKER_01: Uh oh, I think Piccolo starts to like I guess try to kill uh Goku.
43:03
SPEAKER_01: Like I think Goku continues fighting pretty well.
43:07
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
43:08
SPEAKER_02: Alright.
43:09
SPEAKER_02: Um, and then what about for Roshi's gambit?
43:12
SPEAKER_01: Uh Roshi and the gang show up just in time before Piccolo actually kills Goku for real this time.
43:18
SPEAKER_01: Uh they all realize, oh, Goku's still alive.
43:21
SPEAKER_01: Wait, go not for long.
43:23
SPEAKER_01: And Roshi does like some weird trick to try to buy Goku time.
43:29
SPEAKER_02: Okay.
43:30
SPEAKER_02: I like it.
43:31
SPEAKER_02: I've got those all written down for you, Jesse.
43:35
SPEAKER_02: And so, does anybody have anything else they want to talk about in this episode before we start wrapping it up?
43:41
SPEAKER_02: Anyone got any notes we didn't touch on?
43:43
SPEAKER_02: Anything they want to bring up that they thought was cool that we missed?
43:46
SPEAKER_02: Uh no, I mean we can't most of my notes.
43:47
SPEAKER_02: I just deleted all of them.
43:49
SPEAKER_02: Like, I clear them out once we're done talking about them.
43:52
SPEAKER_02: Well then, this has been Becoming Saiyan's Drag More Rewatch Podcast.
43:56
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43:58
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44:04
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44:08
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44:14
SPEAKER_02: I would like to throw out a special thanks to Mr.
44:16
SPEAKER_02: AJ for stopping by and joining the joining the show.
44:19
SPEAKER_02: And even though we had to kind of coax you into actually being a part of it and not just sitting on the couch behind us, but it is nice to have you.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you didn't bring up the shotgun uh rigg next to you, by the way.
44:29
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and thank you for leaving that inspicuously off the screen.
44:33
SPEAKER_01: But uh really it's a screen that we're not showing because we don't have a camera on us.
44:38
SPEAKER_02: But it it is nice to have a third voice here to throw in.
44:40
SPEAKER_02: Uh it's nice to have two voices, but even better.
44:43
SPEAKER_02: Sometimes, you know, what's better than uh one billionaire, it's two, you know, what's better than twenty three is twenty four, whatever it is, you know.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
44:49
SPEAKER_02: Um but it's nice to have somebody else to bounce some ideas off of, you know.
44:52
SPEAKER_02: And so um with that, uh I've been Truman.
44:56
SPEAKER_00: And I've been Jesse.
44:57
SPEAKER_00: And I've been AJ.
44:58
SPEAKER_02: And the journey continues.
45:02
SPEAKER_00: Bye!