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Jags A.M. Podcast Ep. 131 | Parting Ways With HC Doug Pederson, Player Locker Room Cleanout and the Future of the Jags · Jags A.M.

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Speaker 1: As you know, this morning announced my decision to begin
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Speaker 1: a search for the new head coach of the Jacksonville Jaguards,
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Speaker 1: and the announcement followed a very warm and positive discussion
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Speaker 1: I had with Doug this morning and also obviously last
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Speaker 1: week and over the last year. As difficult as if
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Speaker 1: occasion was for both Doug and myself, I mean, it
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Speaker 1: served a reminder of Doug's quality as a head coach
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Speaker 1: and a person. There's no doubt in my mind that
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Speaker 1: this is the time to make a change in the
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Speaker 1: best interests of the football team, community and especially our fans.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to jag Zam.
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Speaker 3: It's official the off season.
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Speaker 2: I'm Penannie Stevens, John Oserbryan with me, brand section with
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Speaker 2: me today as well, and we've been talking about changes.
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Speaker 2: We knew they were going to come. We got one
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Speaker 2: change right out of the gate on Monday. We'll start
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Speaker 2: out with our big thing. There are only two of
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Speaker 2: them today. One goes that does put Peterson the head
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Speaker 2: coach has been fired.
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Speaker 3: Let go.
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Speaker 2: Shat kind of explained a little bit of his reasoning.
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Speaker 1: Last year we started off eight and three and then
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Speaker 1: went one in five, okay, and didn't make the playoff.
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Speaker 1: Was the winning season but didn't make the playoffs. And
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Speaker 1: after that, you know, I started really right in Nashville,
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Speaker 1: sat down with Doug, Okay, what are.
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Speaker 3: We going to do?
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Speaker 1: And he identified, you know, on the defensive side, we
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Speaker 1: needed to change the staff and so on. And as
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Speaker 1: the season you know, progressed it, you know it. Obviously
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Speaker 1: we weren't doing well. We were close like yesterday, but
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Speaker 1: not close enough to win the game. And then as
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Speaker 1: I spoke to you know, Doug even last week for
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Speaker 1: a good length of time, you know, I just came
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Speaker 1: to the conclusion what we were doing was not working
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Speaker 1: and a change in direction was needed.
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Speaker 2: Brian, I don't think there's a huge surprise to this. Obviously,
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Speaker 2: it's the results oriented business team did not win. Doug
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Speaker 2: Peterson out as head coach.
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Speaker 3: What are your thoughts?
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Speaker 4: Well, this was the simple one.
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Speaker 5: You know, we heard all season long that they have
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Speaker 5: to learn, we have to teach them how to win
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Speaker 5: these close games. And there were enough examples. There were
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Speaker 5: thirteen one score games and the Jaguars went three to ten,
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Speaker 5: and at some point it became a self fulfilling prophecy.
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Speaker 5: Doug kept talking about what they needed the players to do.
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Speaker 5: And how they were attacking things in the meeting room
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Speaker 5: and on the practice field and it didn't work. They
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Speaker 5: didn't learn how to win close games. We all witnessed,
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Speaker 5: We lived that all season long, and so I think
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Speaker 5: that made the owner's choice relatively simple.
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Speaker 4: They had an opportunity.
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Speaker 5: They knew what the problems were, and they couldn't solve it.
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Speaker 5: He didn't have confidence John that they would go into
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty five and be able to change that to
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Speaker 5: solve it. He obviously thought something much more dramatic needed
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Speaker 5: to be done, and so he did it yesterday.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 6: Look, people who know me know I'm not as much
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Speaker 6: blame blame blame coach as most people who are in
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Speaker 6: the league. But I think Op Pearson is a good coach.
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Speaker 6: I think he went coached somewhere else. You know, he's
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Speaker 6: won a Super Bowl, so he can do this. But
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Speaker 6: at some point, when you're four and thirteen, what I
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Speaker 6: wondered moving forward was so much of being head coaches
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Speaker 6: about belief. Do the players believe in this anymore? I
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Speaker 6: think after one and five last year, at the end
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Speaker 6: four and thirteen this year, hard to believe in that.
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Speaker 6: I also think it was going to be hard to
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Speaker 6: make a defensive coordinator change after one year, and I
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Speaker 6: don't think he was going to change Press Taylor.
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Speaker 4: So if you hadn't.
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Speaker 3: Changed Doug, I don't know what changes. Good coach.
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Speaker 6: I think deserves be remembered fondly by the Jaguars for
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Speaker 6: what happened. At some point, a change has been made,
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Speaker 6: and you can't change all the players.
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Speaker 2: Cannot change all the players. We did expect though our
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Speaker 2: second big thing, which is one stage. Some of the
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Speaker 2: fans outside of the organization talks about jam Trump Bulk
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Speaker 2: he maybe being let go as well. He was asked
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Speaker 2: whether he was surprised and still wasn't a part of
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Speaker 2: that layoff.
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Speaker 7: I don't know if surprised is the right word. You know,
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Speaker 7: that's ultimately that's not my decision. That's the decision of ownership,
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Speaker 7: and I certainly respect the decision that's been made and
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Speaker 7: don't take the job lately. You know, the real fact,
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Speaker 7: The bottom line is we weren't productive on the field.
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Speaker 7: We didn't win enough games, and I don't shy away
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Speaker 7: from that. I'm just as responsible as anybody else. And
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Speaker 7: you know, all we can do now is roll up
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Speaker 7: our sleeves and go to.
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Speaker 2: Work John a lot to talk about clearing house. They
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Speaker 2: choose not to do that, want to build the TRENALKI
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Speaker 2: still what he's been able to do here? Were you
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Speaker 2: surprised by it?
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Speaker 6: Well, surprise when you ask somebody who's been around this
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Speaker 6: league for thirty years, and Brian's probably lafe when I
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Speaker 6: say this too, You're no longer that's surprised with anything,
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Speaker 6: because what you know is when an owner is deciding something,
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Speaker 6: it's one person making a decision. Shod Con is not
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Speaker 6: one to share thoughts on this. There's not a whole
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Speaker 6: lot of buzz in a building with shot on these things.
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Speaker 6: So was I surprised, not shocked. I didn't know what
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Speaker 6: was going to happen going in. It would not have
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Speaker 6: surprised me if it had been total change. But Shod
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Speaker 6: explained a lot of his reasoning. He sees Trent in
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Speaker 6: the GM as a structural position overseeing football administration.
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Speaker 3: He likes what they've done with that. So, Brian, I
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Speaker 3: don't know how to define surprise.
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Speaker 6: I didn't know what to expect, but I wasn't shocked,
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Speaker 6: And I guess that kind of avoids the question, but
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Speaker 6: it's the only answer I.
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Speaker 5: Have you know, there were four possible outcomes here, Kai
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Speaker 5: both stay, both go, Doug stays, Trent goes, Trent stays,
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Speaker 5: Doug goes, and so was I surprised. Yeah, I didn't
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Speaker 5: know that that was the likely outcome in that. But
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Speaker 5: I want to take it from a different angle. And
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Speaker 5: here's what I'm surprised at. John and the owner kind
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Speaker 5: of laid this out, which you know, Sean talked about,
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Speaker 5: you know, what he saw in Trent, And I guess
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Speaker 5: I'm surprised at the level of venom that Trent Bulky gets.
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Speaker 5: I know, people try to stick him with the urban
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Speaker 5: Meyer disaster and they wanted to clean at that point,
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Speaker 5: but he didn't hire urban Meyer.
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Speaker 4: That was the owner that did that.
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Speaker 5: And then I look and I see and by the way,
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Speaker 5: I totally get four and thirteen and you want everything
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Speaker 5: clean five and eighteen. And I told I mean, that's
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Speaker 5: don't disappoint it to me.
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Speaker 4: I realize right now I'm spinning into the wind.
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Speaker 5: But you talk about a franchise, it was just more
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Speaker 5: abund It was awful, and he lifted it up with
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Speaker 5: some of his moves, right. I mean, you look at
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Speaker 5: the draft choices and you've got four guys from the
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty one draft class. Here you had nine different
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Speaker 5: guys from the twenty twenty three class start more than
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Speaker 5: two games this season for the Jaguars. He's done a
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Speaker 5: pretty good job with the draft. And he moved backwards twice,
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Speaker 5: giving you extra third and fourth round picks this year,
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Speaker 5: and still got Brian Thomas Junior. You want to talk
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Speaker 5: about free agency, I get at Eric Armstead, Ronald Darby,
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Speaker 5: Darnell Savage, waste the money that gave you nothing this year.
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Speaker 5: But he also gave you Rayshawn Jenkins, who gave you
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Speaker 5: in twenty twenty two the two plays that got you
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Speaker 5: to the Super Bowl, the pick six against the Cowboys
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Speaker 5: and the sack strip against the Titans that Josh Allen
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Speaker 5: returned for the touchdown. Right, And he gave you Evan Ingram,
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Speaker 5: who gave you one hundred and fourteen catches last year.
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Speaker 5: And Christian Kirk. And you know just one more thing.
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Speaker 5: When I saw him in twenty twenty two, signed Christian
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Speaker 5: Kirk and then draft Parker Washington, and signed Foyer Lucon
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Speaker 5: and draft Ventreil Miller, and signed Brandon Sheriff and draft
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Speaker 5: Cooper Hodges.
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Speaker 4: I saw a guy who knew what he was doing.
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Speaker 5: He was backfilling the free agents, because you don't want
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Speaker 5: to build with free agents with young players who are
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Speaker 5: making plays for.
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Speaker 4: This football team.
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Speaker 5: So in saying all of that, I just don't understand
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Speaker 5: the level of vitriol that you see with Trent. That's
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Speaker 5: the part that surprises me. And just one last thing
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Speaker 5: on this, if they get Ben Johnson and the owner,
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Speaker 5: clearly john believes that what he has to offer here
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Speaker 5: with a quarterback, with the salary cap, with draft choices,
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Speaker 5: with facilities, with warm weather no stated he firmly believes.
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Speaker 4: He can get the guy that he wants.
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Speaker 5: He said that yesterday and I'm told by other people
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Speaker 5: he believes that if they go sign Ben Johnson. Do
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Speaker 5: you really care who the general manager is? I'm not
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Speaker 5: sure people do. I think that solves that problem. So
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Speaker 5: the thing that surprises me consistently is just how much
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Speaker 5: people just don't like him.
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Speaker 2: Emotions of definite running high. I think after a tough year,
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Speaker 2: everyone's feeling a lot of things, and this is how
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Speaker 2: it's coming out right now. We're going to continue to
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Speaker 2: talk it out. A couple of hot takes coming out
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Speaker 1: Now, you know we are the most predictable team on
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Speaker 1: both sides of the ball, okay and football, you know,
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Speaker 1: to win deception is a big part of it. Unpredictability.
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Speaker 1: If you know exactly what we're going to do on
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Speaker 1: offense or defense, you know you better have D twenty
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Speaker 1: two best players you know to help us win a
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Speaker 1: football game. So being unpredictable is I think it's modern football,
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Speaker 1: and you know we have to be able to show
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Speaker 1: that on the field.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back into jag Exam on Monday. We do hot
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Speaker 2: takes and normally we give you one of our hot takes,
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Speaker 2: but I think there was a couple of hot takes
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Speaker 2: in that availability yesterday with Shadkan and Trent Balky, so
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Speaker 2: we're going to take our hot takes from there. And
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Speaker 2: right off the top, shod Con saying this team is
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Speaker 2: too predictable. The Jaguars need to be unpredictable, Is that true?
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Speaker 2: Or do they just need some better players?
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Speaker 5: Well, well, I mean the great example of this is
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Speaker 5: the Packers for years and years. I mean Bart Starr
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Speaker 5: used to it, We're gonna run it right here, right,
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Speaker 5: I mean it's you couldn't stop them. They were so
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Speaker 5: much better. So, yes, you need better players. But John,
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Speaker 5: I think what they need to do is do the
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Speaker 5: predictable things better. I mean, you look at the Lions
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Speaker 5: and all of the the and I bring them up
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Speaker 5: obviously because of the Ben Johnson interest. You know, all
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Speaker 5: of the things that they do, the hook and ladder
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Speaker 5: in the middle of the game, the throws to the
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Speaker 5: tackles who become eligible. Well, it's because they do the
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Speaker 5: little things well, right, I mean they can run the ball,
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Speaker 5: they can execute on third down. For the Dagwars to
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Speaker 5: become unpredictable means that they've got to play better with
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Speaker 5: the things that everyone can tell they're going to do.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's a little bit of a chicken
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Speaker 6: in the egg thing, which came first. I think to
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Speaker 6: get unpredictable, I think you need to get better And I.
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Speaker 3: Think It's what Brian's saying as well.
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Speaker 6: It's very hard to be to have super creativity when
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Speaker 6: you're facing second and twelve. It's really easy to be
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Speaker 6: creative on second and three, which means if you run
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Speaker 6: well or a fishing in your basics early in downs,
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Speaker 6: you get more plays.
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Speaker 3: You can be unpredictable.
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Speaker 6: So I think what Shod saw and the fans saw
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Speaker 6: is real. I don't think it was very unpredictable, but
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Speaker 6: I do think you have to get better overall to
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Speaker 6: get unpredictable.
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Speaker 2: Put yourself in a situation where you can be a
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Speaker 2: little more creative.
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Speaker 6: I think, yeah, sort of the same thing on defense, right,
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Speaker 6: I mean, okay, blitzmore and I don't know exactly what
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Speaker 6: Shod meant in terms of predictability on deff, so I'm
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Speaker 6: not putting words in his mouth, but you would say,
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Speaker 6: blitz more, do more exotic things. If you can't stop
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Speaker 6: the run, which they couldn't, it doesn't matter how exotic
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Speaker 6: you are.
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Speaker 3: You're getting rolled well.
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Speaker 5: And you look at Josh Allen, who Josh heinz Al
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Speaker 5: who got you the Mega contract before the season.
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Speaker 4: He had lots of pressures.
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Speaker 5: I mean he was always around the quarterback, but he
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Speaker 5: didn't get as many as he did the year before
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Speaker 5: because the Jaguars were always playing from behind and teams
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Speaker 5: were running the ball because they could and because they
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Speaker 5: wanted to run out the clock when you're up by
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Speaker 5: a couple of scores. So I mean it goes back
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Speaker 5: to complimentary football, right. I mean you've got to be
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Speaker 5: a team that you can be dependable before you can
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Speaker 5: be unpredictable.
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Speaker 3: Yes, I agree with that.
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Speaker 2: Let's move to our second hot take from that inter availability,
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Speaker 2: I should say Trent Bulk says they're going to go
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Speaker 2: into this head coaching process, interview process right away and
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Speaker 2: get things going. But he also thinks this can be
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Speaker 2: a quick turnaround.
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Speaker 7: I think when you look at where we were in
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Speaker 7: twenty two leading into the twenty two season, and going
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Speaker 7: from where we were in twenty one to twenty two,
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Speaker 7: I don't think there's any reason why we can't repeat that,
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Speaker 7: you know. I think there's there's a lot of there's
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Speaker 7: a lot of good young players on this team. There's
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Speaker 7: a lot to look forward to, you know, and and
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Speaker 7: the fan base deserves it. They deserve a winner, and
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Speaker 7: that's what you set out to do every day. You
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Speaker 7: wake up, come into the building, and you know, we've
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Speaker 7: got a great group of people in this building that
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Speaker 7: have that mindset, you know. So I do think this
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Speaker 7: thing can be flipped and flipped quick and looking forward
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Speaker 7: to to getting to work on it.
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Speaker 2: John obviously, Sean conn thinks there's a lot of good things,
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Speaker 2: good pieces in the building making the playoffs two years ago.
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Speaker 2: Trent Falke thinks this can be a quick flip. We've
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Speaker 2: seen it elsewhere. Can that be done here?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, it can be a quick flip, meaning I firmly
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Speaker 6: believe that you can go from three to fourteen, especially
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Speaker 6: with the close.
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Speaker 3: Games, to back to competitive.
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Speaker 6: I think you can get back to competitive in an
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Speaker 6: AFC set that's not great. What I've said multiple times
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Speaker 6: on this show, what I hope that they don't do
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Speaker 6: is let's quick flip to get to nine and eight.
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Speaker 6: That is doable. Getting what we all want is get
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Speaker 6: to Detroit, Buffalo, Eagles, Kansas City, Right. I don't know
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Speaker 6: if that's that quick, but I think you can make
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Speaker 6: that first step. What you hope is that getting to
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Speaker 6: that first step, and I'm probably not saying this very well,
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Speaker 6: get to that first step, but don't do it just
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Speaker 6: to get there, make sure it's long term, make sure
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Speaker 6: they are foundation things that you can move beyond that
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Speaker 6: as well, because I think in twenty two they got there,
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Speaker 6: couldn't quite get further.
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Speaker 4: Well, two things stand out.
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Speaker 5: One, the quarterback has to emerge from two injury plagued seasons.
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Speaker 5: I mean the last game he played this year was
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Speaker 5: November third, right, I mean last game he started and
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Speaker 5: played it.
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Speaker 4: I take that back.
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Speaker 5: He played in the Texans game, but you know, briefly
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Speaker 5: before he was injured, so you know you didn't have
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Speaker 5: him the last too much of the season effectively, and
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Speaker 5: you didn't have him healthy the last month and a
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Speaker 5: half of the season last year. So if he emerges
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Speaker 5: and who they hire will have something to do with this,
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Speaker 5: and becomes the quarterback that we all think he can become,
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Speaker 5: then that goes a long way towards solving a lot
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Speaker 5: of your problems. And then the other is on the
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Speaker 5: man who just talked, and that's Trent. He's got to
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Speaker 5: go and draft another BTJ. Right, and at number five,
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Speaker 5: you'd like to think that that would be something that
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Speaker 5: he could do. There's seven or eight we're told guys
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Speaker 5: with first round grades. You're right, there, go draft another
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Speaker 5: player who will come in as a rookie and make
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Speaker 5: a big impact, likely to be on the defensive side
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Speaker 5: of the ball, because that's where it's heavy up there.
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Speaker 5: Go do it again. That's where it's on him. And
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Speaker 5: to get back to you know, twenty twenty two in
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Speaker 5: free agency, because you know they're going to spend some
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Speaker 5: money in free agency and don't swing at older guys
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Speaker 5: who are you know, on the tail end of their career,
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Speaker 5: like Eric Armstead, like Ronald Darby. You've got to be
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Speaker 5: impactful with Christian Kirk and having Ingram and for ye Lukon.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think Brian's first thing as we get further
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Speaker 6: away from the week to week, you know, micro focused
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Speaker 6: on the details.
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Speaker 4: It's all the quarterback.
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Speaker 6: The Trevor's got to be more special and more elite
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Speaker 6: than he has been. He showed it for about three
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Speaker 6: or four games in the middle of twenty three where
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Speaker 6: that he was getting there, and then the injuries game.
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Speaker 6: It's been sort of off since.
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Speaker 3: It's got to get back on. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Our third hot take today is gonna come from the
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Speaker 2: locker room when we talked to some of the players
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Speaker 2: and they were cleaning things out Yesterday, Eric Armstead talked
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Speaker 2: a little bit about how he was playing at edge
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Speaker 2: this year, but he wants to go back to his
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Speaker 2: original position.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm gonna move back inside next year. That that's
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Speaker 8: gonna be my plan. You know, that was what I
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Speaker 8: wanted to do, you know, this season as well too.
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Speaker 8: But you know, there's there's situations that you have to
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Speaker 8: deal with, you know, in this league. And yes, I'm
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Speaker 8: a switch back inside, which was what I wanted to
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Speaker 8: do this season, and I'm a deep back playing to
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Speaker 8: you know, elite player that I know I can be.
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Speaker 2: Arms is saying saying he wants to go back inside
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Speaker 2: on the defensive line. He's playing edge a good chunk
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Speaker 2: of this year, not really a starter what he's used
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Speaker 2: to doing, saying he wants to go back and he's
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Speaker 2: gonna do that next year. So I'll take Airic crimsaid
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Speaker 2: will be the starting defensive tackle in twenty twenty five.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's laying it at the feet of the defensive staff.
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Speaker 5: I guess, you know, this was a mistake on my part.
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Speaker 5: This was one of the guys John that I thought, Okay, listen,
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Speaker 5: he's coming in. He's he's gonna give you something inside,
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Speaker 5: because that's what he had always been in San Francisco.
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Speaker 4: He'd been a Pro Bowl caliber player. He has the height, he.
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Speaker 5: Has the length, he has the leverage, and he gave
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Speaker 5: you a sack an opening day.
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Speaker 4: Thought okay, and then he.
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Speaker 5: Started playing, So I just listen, we don't have a
18:04
Speaker 5: ton of Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot. He didn't
18:09
Speaker 5: give you a whole lot when he did go inside
18:10
Speaker 5: to the middle. Either this is that this is the
18:12
Speaker 5: storyline to fallow.
18:13
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm flummixed and.
18:18
Speaker 6: I don't know what to say this because I've been
18:20
Speaker 6: asked so many times what was going on with this?
18:22
Speaker 3: I guess maybe the best.
18:24
Speaker 6: Thing to do with the Eric Armstead story is he's
18:27
Speaker 6: going to be here next year.
18:29
Speaker 3: Evidently he's playing tackle.
18:30
Speaker 6: I think the new coordinators will be thrilled to learn
18:34
Speaker 6: that when they get the job. So maybe it's just
18:39
Speaker 6: time to say, Okay, Eric Armstead, whatever story was this year,
18:45
Speaker 6: let's see what it is next year, because he has talent,
18:47
Speaker 6: and it just seemed like one of those everyone's on
18:50
Speaker 6: free agency, you get one of those where you're like,
18:52
Speaker 6: what's going on? And this was that he lumbered off
18:56
Speaker 6: the edge. So maybe this is the time next year.
19:00
Speaker 3: Have it through the season.
19:01
Speaker 4: We'll be riding a success story.
19:03
Speaker 5: Sure, hope what happens to because now all of a sudden,
19:06
Speaker 5: you seem to have a glood of tackles. Right, You've
19:08
Speaker 5: got Devon Hamilton, who's gonna be here because he's got
19:10
Speaker 5: twenty million dollars in dead money on the cap for you.
19:12
Speaker 5: You drafted Mason Smith and he shows you something at
19:15
Speaker 5: the end of the year, and you have Jordan Jefferson.
19:17
Speaker 5: What I hope doesn't happen is you pass on Mason
19:19
Speaker 5: Graham if he's the best player at number five, because
19:22
Speaker 5: you say, well, we've got Eric Armstead to play in there. No,
19:25
Speaker 5: don't pass on a great young player at a position
19:27
Speaker 5: of need. I still think because Devon is getting a
19:30
Speaker 5: little long in the tooth and Eric is that you
19:32
Speaker 5: need defensive tackle. I hope Eric Armstead's presence in the
19:36
Speaker 5: middle doesn't prevent them from taking the best player available
19:40
Speaker 5: on the board if that happens to be the defensive
19:42
Speaker 5: tackle from Michigan.
19:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a legitimate concern.
19:45
Speaker 6: I would guess that it wouldn't because you can rotate there,
19:49
Speaker 6: and because Trent does believe in big guys, but your point.
19:55
Speaker 3: Is about stay with us.
19:57
Speaker 2: Where you are going to hear a little bit more
19:59
Speaker 2: from the players is out their lockers yesterday and talked
20:01
Speaker 2: a little bit about Doug peterson sireing the move the
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20:16
Speaker 9: Obviously, it's unfortunate because at the end of the day,
20:20
Speaker 9: we all had a hand in, you know, this season
20:23
Speaker 9: and just how the way things have shaken out. I
20:26
Speaker 9: have a ton of respect for Doug. He's maybe a
20:29
Speaker 9: better football player, a better man, and you know, I
20:32
Speaker 9: think he's one of the better coaches to have coached
20:35
Speaker 9: in this league. And it's just unfortunate the way that
20:38
Speaker 9: things went. But obviously the organization has to make a
20:41
Speaker 9: decision that they feel his best going forward.
20:46
Speaker 2: Well, I've received a Christian Kirk in here yesterday kind
20:50
Speaker 2: of giving his thoughts on the firing of head coach
20:51
Speaker 2: Doug Peterson. Obviously the unfortunate situation, and talked a lot
20:55
Speaker 2: about how much he's helped him as a player. But
20:57
Speaker 2: I think one of the things and good to hear
20:59
Speaker 2: from christ and the players is taking that accountability right
21:02
Speaker 2: off the top of we all didn't do what we
21:04
Speaker 2: needed to this year, and unfortunately this is what happens.
21:06
Speaker 2: Some person has to take the fall. John, But uh,
21:09
Speaker 2: I think there's an understanding that they all need to
21:11
Speaker 2: be better.
21:12
Speaker 4: Yeah.
21:12
Speaker 6: I thought it was interesting and as you as you
21:15
Speaker 6: go on and you learn more about different players and
21:17
Speaker 6: how the league sort of works. Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk,
21:21
Speaker 6: who might be the most aware league savvy guys in
21:27
Speaker 6: that locker room, meaning hey we've seen this, both said Hey,
21:30
Speaker 6: you know, I I'm paraphrasing fire, Doug, fire, if you want,
21:35
Speaker 6: we gotta be better. And so they know the coaches
21:38
Speaker 6: get fired. They also know from being around that locker
21:41
Speaker 6: room that there were plays that didn't get made.
21:43
Speaker 3: Uh.
21:43
Speaker 6: Trayvon Walker mentioned it that there was a lull when
21:47
Speaker 6: they were losing where he wasn't sure that everybody was
21:50
Speaker 6: brought in w was going right? And you know, Trayvon,
21:55
Speaker 6: it's a different level, but he's been around Georgia's success
21:58
Speaker 6: national championships.
21:59
Speaker 4: He sort of knew wasn't right. Now.
22:01
Speaker 6: Part of that's the coach bringing that right, But a
22:05
Speaker 6: little bit is the guy is saying, hey, this is
22:08
Speaker 6: our team. It's a players league. Those guys matter who's
22:11
Speaker 6: leading have to do a better job of that next year.
22:13
Speaker 3: Collectively. I mean, I'm not talking about those three, but collectively,
22:17
Speaker 3: it's gotta be uh more of a wanted Oh.
22:20
Speaker 2: Let's hear from Trayvon as well. We have him talking yesterday.
22:23
Speaker 10: Definitely something that me personally, I don't wanna hear the
22:26
Speaker 10: I think he's a great coach. Uh he He's done
22:29
Speaker 10: some great things of this organization on Uh, he's a
22:31
Speaker 10: great guy, great coach. Like I said, I wouldn't wish
22:34
Speaker 10: that on anyone. But no, it's life. We all based
22:38
Speaker 10: with obstacles in life and we just gotta keep going.
22:41
Speaker 2: So obviously, you know, Doug had a ton of respect
22:43
Speaker 2: in that locker room, and I don't think anyone's saying
22:45
Speaker 2: he's a bad football coach. It it's unfortunate the way
22:47
Speaker 2: things worked out, the way things panned out here, and
22:51
Speaker 2: I wonder what they'll kind of go. We'll talk tomorrow
22:54
Speaker 2: more about what that coaching search is gonna look like,
22:56
Speaker 2: but I wonder what kind of personality they'll look to
22:58
Speaker 2: bring in or what kind of style.
23:00
Speaker 5: Well, it was interesting, you know a lot of the
23:02
Speaker 5: veteran players were asked what do you want? And none
23:05
Speaker 5: of them knew what to answer, in part out of
23:08
Speaker 5: respect for Doug, because the question itself says, hey, what
23:12
Speaker 5: do you want that you weren't getting here right. But
23:15
Speaker 5: the other side of it was they had such respect
23:16
Speaker 5: for Doug. Doug played the game, had been in the
23:19
Speaker 5: league for thirty years, and I don't know that it
23:21
Speaker 5: was anything that they saw in Doug that they think
23:24
Speaker 5: they needed to have. I thought the respect was well
23:28
Speaker 5: founded for him in that sense. It goes back to accountability,
23:32
Speaker 5: and these guys know that if this team is going
23:35
Speaker 5: to go anywhere, it's going to be on them.
23:37
Speaker 4: They're all going to have to do more.
23:40
Speaker 5: And John, that seems so easy to say, you go
23:44
Speaker 5: to do more on the field, but it isn't just
23:45
Speaker 5: doing more on the field. It's doing more off the
23:47
Speaker 5: field away from the building off season. It's about taking
23:51
Speaker 5: ownership of your career and your impact in this locker
23:56
Speaker 5: room and projecting it and getting away from FOOTBA a
24:00
Speaker 5: little bit, but not too far so that you understand
24:02
Speaker 5: that your preparation and what you bring to the table
24:06
Speaker 5: when you leave this building every night during the season
24:08
Speaker 5: or when you're around here in the off season, it's
24:11
Speaker 5: on you. You've got to be your best otherwise you don't
24:13
Speaker 5: last in this league.
24:13
Speaker 6: It's needing to win and having it be something that
24:17
Speaker 6: you can't live without. And I'm not sure that you
24:20
Speaker 6: have enough of that.
24:22
Speaker 3: Whoever the head coach is my first move a Trevor.
24:30
Speaker 6: I have a leadership council, whatever, treymon Walker and everybody
24:34
Speaker 6: doesn't shut the door because you need him. He progressed
24:39
Speaker 6: in this direction this year, in year four, next year.
24:44
Speaker 6: Outside of Trevor Lawrence, this needs to be treymon Walker's
24:46
Speaker 6: team because he's a guy that you look to in
24:49
Speaker 6: terms of approach, in terms of desire, that you can
24:52
Speaker 6: build around his persona.
24:55
Speaker 5: Well and listen, as a player on the field, We've
24:57
Speaker 5: been talking about how good he is in so many situations.
25:01
Speaker 5: But look, they don't make it overtime if he doesn't
25:03
Speaker 5: get that sack in all likelihood, right, it's third and
25:05
Speaker 5: three at the fifty yard line, Joe Flacco's carving you up,
25:08
Speaker 5: and he comes around the corner and makes the sack
25:10
Speaker 5: that forced them to punt in the Jags get to
25:13
Speaker 5: overtime and have a chance. He's that good of a player,
25:16
Speaker 5: and I'm not sure that people so widely recognize just
25:19
Speaker 5: how good he is. But he's good on the field,
25:21
Speaker 5: he's good off the field, in the community, in the
25:24
Speaker 5: locker room.
25:24
Speaker 4: He's a terrific football player.
25:26
Speaker 3: You're so right, well, Betj's best player on the team.
25:28
Speaker 3: Trayvine is close to yeah.
25:30
Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing about I will say both
25:32
Speaker 2: of them. Brian not quite there yet, but Trayvon makes
25:35
Speaker 2: people around him better too, which I think we don't
25:37
Speaker 2: give him a ton of credit for. But he covers
25:39
Speaker 2: up a lot of things I think sometimes and obviously
25:42
Speaker 2: what he's been able to do to help Josh and
25:44
Speaker 2: if they ever get a rush from the middle, they'll
25:46
Speaker 2: have something really going there. But his having players that
25:49
Speaker 2: can make other people better is something you absolutely need.
25:52
Speaker 2: And obviously we need to see that more from Trevor
25:54
Speaker 2: as well, but to have some others that can do
25:56
Speaker 2: it is huge. So say with us, we'll talk a
25:58
Speaker 2: little bit more about what's coming up this week, and
26:00
Speaker 2: we'll talk a little bit more about this coaching search.
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26:16
Speaker 1: I talked to the players regularly, Okay, so and I
26:21
Speaker 1: don't want to identify Trevor or anyone else by name,
26:24
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, listen to you know what's going
26:28
Speaker 1: to make them successful. But this isn't, you know, let's
26:33
Speaker 1: be clear, a second coming of Aaron Rodgers two point oh. Okay,
26:38
Speaker 1: so it's it's I mean, you know, we're going to
26:43
Speaker 1: do the right thing for the team, and obviously our
26:48
Speaker 1: goal is if Trevor doesn't get better, the other players
26:51
Speaker 1: don't get better, we're not gonna win. So the coaches
26:54
Speaker 1: coming in know who our foundational players are and they
26:57
Speaker 1: have to be committed to, you know, making them better.
27:02
Speaker 2: Owner Shad Cohn was asked about whether he would be
27:05
Speaker 2: consulting Trevor Lawrence when he was making the selection for
27:08
Speaker 2: the new head coach, and he said he does talk
27:10
Speaker 2: to the players, he consults with them, but it's not
27:12
Speaker 2: gonna be an Aaron Rodgers situation in New York, which
27:14
Speaker 2: a nice little dig for no reason, but I appreciated
27:16
Speaker 2: it anyway, And so I think more the question would be,
27:20
Speaker 2: is you need someone that comes in and believes they
27:23
Speaker 2: can work with Trevor and get him to that point
27:25
Speaker 2: that we need him to be at, right, because at
27:28
Speaker 2: this point, you don't want to be wasting this section
27:31
Speaker 2: of his career where, if he can stay healthy, should
27:33
Speaker 2: be entering a prime time of his career and they
27:36
Speaker 2: need to come in be able to get him that level,
27:37
Speaker 2: and whatever their planner method might be will be a
27:40
Speaker 2: big part of this process.
27:41
Speaker 5: I'm sure that's the reason that everybody is so hot
27:44
Speaker 5: on Ben Johnson because what he's been able to do
27:46
Speaker 5: with Jared Goff. And yeah, I mean that's why I
27:49
Speaker 5: would be so interested in that as well. But if
27:52
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson doesn't end up here, that doesn't mean they
27:54
Speaker 5: won't find somebody that can come and do it as well. Remember,
27:57
Speaker 5: I mean Dan Campbell hired Benjasen, and I would say
28:01
Speaker 5: most people don't know or didn't know who Ben Johnson was.
28:04
Speaker 5: That would be the question that I have for every
28:06
Speaker 5: single candidate. Tell me who's going to get my quarterback
28:10
Speaker 5: to that point? The offensive coordinator, quarterback coach is the
28:14
Speaker 5: most important person that my new head coach is going
28:17
Speaker 5: to bring in.
28:18
Speaker 6: Yeah, if Sean gets a feeling of any candidate that
28:23
Speaker 6: he's not one hundred percent all in in his heart
28:25
Speaker 6: and soul on Trevor Lawrence, move on, because that's got
28:29
Speaker 6: to work.
28:29
Speaker 3: And if and I think.
28:32
Speaker 6: They'll get somebody who's who they really really want. If
28:37
Speaker 6: it's a Ben Johnson, if it's another offensive, you can
28:40
Speaker 6: guarantee they wouldn't even be taking the interview if from
28:44
Speaker 6: afar they didn't believe this kid could do it. So
28:49
Speaker 6: stay tuned.
28:49
Speaker 5: Do you think, just as a question, do you think
28:52
Speaker 5: that this job is the most attractive.
28:56
Speaker 4: Job out there right now? Because that's listen, that's.
28:59
Speaker 5: The narrative with people who believe that Trent Balkey is
29:02
Speaker 5: slowing it down, that he'll keep them from being there.
29:04
Speaker 5: The owner is obviously betting that that he can make
29:07
Speaker 5: this the most attractive job.
29:09
Speaker 4: Where do you place it? Do you think it's you know,
29:11
Speaker 4: top one or two?
29:11
Speaker 6: I don't cover the other team, so I don't know
29:14
Speaker 6: the details. I do know, you know, it's the old cliche.
29:17
Speaker 6: You're in Florida, you have an owner who is not
29:22
Speaker 6: a quick trigger owner and who everybody out there shod con.
29:28
Speaker 3: This shod con that.
29:30
Speaker 6: Coaches measure owners by patients by staying out of the
29:35
Speaker 6: way and.
29:37
Speaker 3: Do they support well.
29:40
Speaker 6: Nobody in the league is going to tell anybody that
29:42
Speaker 6: shod Con doesn't support in terms of money, in terms
29:45
Speaker 6: of and so whether it's the best job in the
29:50
Speaker 6: league or not depends on how people feel about Traver
29:54
Speaker 6: good point.
29:55
Speaker 2: So we'll be with you guys one more day this week.
29:57
Speaker 2: We'll talk a little bit about some of those coaching
30:00
Speaker 2: interviews that are gonna be taking place and some possible
30:02
Speaker 2: candidates here, and also just a little bit of a
30:05
Speaker 2: preview about free agency and what the off season is
30:07
Speaker 2: going to look like for the team. That's a great
30:10
Speaker 2: things