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Sharri | 19 January · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Skong News. This is Sharry Well, good evening.
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Speaker 1: I'm James Macpherson filling in for Sharry.
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Speaker 2: Coming up tonight.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister makes a solemn vow to keep Jewish
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Speaker 1: Australian safe, but his own Home Affairs minister can't even
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Speaker 1: say the obvious about radical islamus terror. I'll show you
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Speaker 1: the contradiction. Labor is trying to talk its way out
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Speaker 1: of Plus one. Nation surges past the Coalition in the
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Speaker 1: latest News poll and Pauline Hanson's rise is now so
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Speaker 1: big even Elbanez. He says it's a worry. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 1: will join me live Plus. Sydney's shark fears are spiking
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Speaker 1: again tonight, with three people attacked within just two days,
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Speaker 1: and it's reigniting the big question. If sharks are this
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Speaker 1: close to Sydney's shoreline, how on earth a council still
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Speaker 1: pushing to.
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Speaker 2: Scrap shark nets.
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Speaker 1: I'll discuss that with my panel shortly, but first, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister stood in Parliament today and made what he
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Speaker 1: described as a solemn vow to keep Jewish Australian safe.
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Speaker 1: And I desperately want to believe him, I really do.
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Speaker 1: But after two years of watching this government confuse wishful
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Speaker 1: thinking with leadership, well optimism begins to feel less like
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Speaker 1: hope and more like a low grade hallucination that really
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Speaker 1: should be treated with medication. He was the Prime Minister today,
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Speaker 1: speaking as part of a special condolence motion honoring the
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Speaker 1: fifteen Australian shot dead by two alleged Islamist gunmen at
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Speaker 1: Bondai Beach on December fourteenth.
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Speaker 3: As Prime Minister, I give you this solemn promise, on
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Speaker 3: behalf of every Australian. We will not meet your suffering
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Speaker 3: with silence. We will not leave you in darkness. We
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Speaker 3: will continue to do everything required to ensure your security,
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Speaker 3: uphold your safety, and protect and honor your place here
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Speaker 3: with us as Australians.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so nice sentiment. But when the PM says we
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Speaker 1: will continue to do everything required to ensure Jewish safety,
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Speaker 1: doesn't he really mean he'll start to do something. A
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Speaker 1: good place to start would be honesty about the cause
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Speaker 1: of anti Semitism in this country, and for a brief
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Speaker 1: shining moment today it looked like honesty might break out.
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Speaker 3: While the massacre at Bondai Beach was cruel and senseless,
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Speaker 3: it was not random. Jewish Australians were the target.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad that the PM said that, because the
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Speaker 1: Greens would have us believe that the victims at Bondai
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Speaker 1: could just as easily have been I don't know, women,
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Speaker 1: or gays or aboriginals or whatever identity happened to be
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Speaker 1: trending on Twitter that afternoon. But the Greens are wrong
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Speaker 1: and the PM is right. Jewish Australians were the target.
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Speaker 1: And then, in another rare flash of clarity, the PM
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Speaker 1: added this.
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Speaker 3: Because the defining and enduring truth of that faithful Sunday
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Speaker 3: is not fear or bloodshed. It is not the cowardly,
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Speaker 3: any Semitic evil of the terrorists, nor the murderous perversion
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Speaker 3: of Islam they took as inspiration.
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Speaker 1: So the PM began today with two important admissions. First,
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Speaker 1: the target at Bondi were Jews. And second, the ideology
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Speaker 1: that allegedly inspired this murderous anti semitism was, and I'm
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Speaker 1: quoting the PM, a perversion of Islam. Now that raises
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Speaker 1: too admittedly awkward, but very important questions. First, on what
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Speaker 1: basis does the PM assert that violence against Jews is
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Speaker 1: a perversion of Islam? His words rather than a depressingly
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Speaker 1: consistent historical pattern. And second, if he's right that violence
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Speaker 1: against Jews is a perversion of Islam, well why isn't
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Speaker 1: he urgently calling on every Islamic leader in this country
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Speaker 1: to correct whatever theological misunderstanding seems to keep ending with
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Speaker 1: dead Jews. I note that Australia's top Muslim body, the
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Speaker 1: Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, put out a statement at
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Speaker 1: the weekend complaining that there was and I quote a
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Speaker 1: wider effort to hold the Muslim community collectively responsible for
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Speaker 1: the Bondi attack. That this country's top Muslim body thinks
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Speaker 1: Muslims are the victims in all of this is not
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Speaker 1: only depressingly typical, but extraordinarily dangerous.
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Speaker 2: No one holds the.
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Speaker 1: Muslim community collectively responsible for the Bondai attack. That's a
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Speaker 1: straw man, so flimsy, it could be blown over by
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Speaker 1: a Hallel sneeze. But everyone with a brain understands there's
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Speaker 1: a problem within a section of the Muslim community that
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Speaker 1: urgently needs to be addressed by the Muslim community, his
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Speaker 1: Senator Bridget Mackenzie.
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Speaker 2: Today.
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Speaker 4: Of course, not every Muslim Australian is an Islamic extremism
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Speaker 4: far from it, and we should not let this become
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Speaker 4: an attack on our Muslim community. But I can tell
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Speaker 4: you and stand here, and we need to be able
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Speaker 4: to say that every single Islamic extremist is Muslim.
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Speaker 2: And so we're left with a problem, aren't we.
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Speaker 1: If there's a problem within a section of the Muslim
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Speaker 1: community that needs addressing in order to ensure the safety
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Speaker 1: of Australians, and if the Muslim community not only refuses
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Speaker 1: to address that issue but vehemently denies there is any issue,
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Speaker 1: well what then denial? Apparently because moments after the PM
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Speaker 1: spoke about a perversion of Islam, the Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 1: offered this theological masterpiece.
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Speaker 5: A lot is said about faith, and there's been some
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Speaker 5: different lines dropped in different speeches so far. I simply
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Speaker 5: say this, No one is going to tell me that
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Speaker 5: akhmedal Ahmed was the same religion as the government.
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Speaker 2: Is Tony Burke completely stupid. That was a rhetorical question.
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Speaker 1: You understand, Ahmad al Ahmed, who heroically fought the gunman,
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Speaker 1: is a Muslim, and of course he's the same religion
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Speaker 1: as the gunman. The gunman weren't Anglicans, the gunman weren't Muslims.
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Speaker 1: We already know that Navid Akram was a regular at
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Speaker 1: an Islamic prayers center in Sydney's West, and The Daily
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Speaker 1: Telegraph reported at the weekend that alleged hardist Averred Nakram
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Speaker 1: had made two requests from prison, where he's now awaiting trial.
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Speaker 1: He's requested a copy of the Qoran, and he's requested
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Speaker 1: to be visited by a Muslim chaplain. As Bridget Mackenzie said,
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Speaker 1: most Muslims are not violent gihrdies, but all violent gi
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Speaker 1: Hardis say they are Muslim. That the Home Affairs Minister
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Speaker 1: of all people wants to argue that indisputable point hardly
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Speaker 1: makes me confident that Bondai won't be repeated. But back
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Speaker 1: to the PM, I know there is disbelief and there
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Speaker 1: is anger too. How could they're not be A Holocaust
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Speaker 1: survivor was gunned down in a nation that had given
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Speaker 1: him refuge from the worst of humanity. A ten year old.
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Speaker 3: Girl will never have another birthday. Terrorists inspired by ISIS
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Speaker 3: murdered our citizens on our soil.
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Speaker 1: I was pleased to PM acknowledged that there is anger.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to see a little more anger from the PM.
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Speaker 1: He also acknowledged people are right to be angry, and
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Speaker 1: of course they are angry that alleged ISIS terrorists slaughtered
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Speaker 1: Australians on Australian soil. But is the PM completely clueless
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Speaker 1: because at the very moment he's acknowledging how right we
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Speaker 1: are to be angry about alleged ISIS operatives killing Australians,
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Speaker 1: he's flanked by his Home Affairs Minister, who just weeks
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Speaker 1: ago helped repatriate people who had joined ISIS. So damn right,
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Speaker 1: we're angry, We're ang we at ISIS, and we're bloody
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Speaker 1: furious at a labor government that condemns ISIS while importing
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Speaker 1: its alumni and pretending that's completely normal.
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Speaker 2: And then there was this.
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Speaker 3: So many of us have thought to ourselves and said
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Speaker 3: to each other, this doesn't happen here, not in Australia.
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Speaker 3: It's not the Australian way.
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Speaker 1: It's only now that Anthony Albanezi has thought to himself,
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Speaker 1: hang on a second, this isn't the Australian way.
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Speaker 2: Give me a break.
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Speaker 1: Two years ago we all said this isn't the Australian way,
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Speaker 1: and we were ignored.
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Speaker 2: Last October.
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Speaker 1: Anyone at Sydney Airport would have thought to themselves, this
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Speaker 1: isn't the Australian way.
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Speaker 6: Allah what.
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Speaker 1: Alafray and I wouldn't have thought senior labour figures like
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Speaker 1: Ed Husick and Bob Karr marching against Israel beneath an
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Speaker 1: image of the Ayah toler of Iran was the Australian
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Speaker 1: way either. Now they say they were unaware, useful idiots
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Speaker 1: always are. I could spend the rest of the show
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Speaker 1: talking about things we've all seen with our own eyes
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Speaker 1: that are not the Australian way. Over the past two years,
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Speaker 1: all of these things allowed to happen under this most
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Speaker 1: UnAustralian labor government. Now wonder Pauline Hanson's One Nation Party
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Speaker 1: is palling so well, say what you like about Pauline Hanson.
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Speaker 1: At least she doesn't insult you by telling you that
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Speaker 1: your eyes are lying, or talk to Pauline Hanson in
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Speaker 1: a moment. But Anthony Albinezi and his clueless ministers must
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Speaker 1: be the only Australians bewildered it how an alleged Islamic
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Speaker 1: terror attack happened on Australian soil. The rest of US
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Speaker 1: have been saying for at least the past two years
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Speaker 1: that it was only a matter of time until an
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Speaker 1: Islamic terror attack happened here, And I don't think it
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Speaker 1: won't happen again. Rather, I don't think that we can
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Speaker 1: be confident it won't happen again, not if events in
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Speaker 1: Sydney at the weekend there are anything to go by.
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Speaker 1: Just two days ago, New South Wales police stood by
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Speaker 1: while people chanted and held signs aloft saying Globalize the Interfata,
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Speaker 1: a clear incitement for intimidation and violence against Jews here
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Speaker 1: in Australia. But police arrested a man holding a sign
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Speaker 1: that said blame her mass.
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Speaker 7: Would you like to say anything about your arrest?
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not breaking any law. Blame harmas.
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Speaker 1: So, one month after the Bondai terrorist attack, condemning alleged
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Speaker 1: terrorists gets you arrested. Honestly, our authorities have learned nothing.
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Speaker 1: Our government's condolences lit alone, their assurances of safety are
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Speaker 1: worse than worthless.
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Speaker 2: They're actually insulting.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of insulting, haven't listened to Green Senator Peter wish
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Speaker 1: Wilson today identifying the true evil behind the Bondi terror attack.
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Speaker 8: Terrorism experts. We're saying we will find out in due
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Speaker 8: courts what radicalized these two men, and it was men.
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Speaker 8: I'd like to point out, funny how it's never women,
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Speaker 8: it's always men.
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Speaker 1: The Greens will tell you straight face the Bondi terr
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Speaker 1: attack had nothing to do with Islam toxic masculinity. However, honestly,
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Speaker 1: if this is the intellectual firepower defending us, no one
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Speaker 1: of the public is losing faith, and no wonder the
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Speaker 1: Islamic extremists are.
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Speaker 2: Gaining in confidence.
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Speaker 1: Well. Joining me now from Cambery is One Nation Leader
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen, Senator Hansen, thanks so much for coming on
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Speaker 1: the program. I want to talk to you about your
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Speaker 1: extraordinary rise in the polls in just a moment, but
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Speaker 1: before we get to that, your thoughts on what we
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Speaker 1: heard in Canberra today, all of these speeches and motions
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Speaker 1: of condolences. Did the speeches encourage you that our MPs
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Speaker 1: understand the gravity of the threat we face from radical
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Speaker 1: Islam and are prepared to take the necessary action.
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Speaker 9: Not at all, James, and to listen to the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 9: So it sounds so weak, pathetic. It wasn't hitting the mark.
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Speaker 9: It was all rhetoric, the same old promises, nothing happens,
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Speaker 9: and to listen to Wish Wilson in the grounds, You're right,
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Speaker 9: they don't care about this strong way of life. I
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Speaker 9: don't know if it's really hit home of how important
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Speaker 9: this is to the Australian people, how we react as
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Speaker 9: politicians and the legislation, how to combat what is happening
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Speaker 9: on our streets. When I went to Bondi, you're not
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Speaker 9: people have fear of and what they said to me,
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Speaker 9: they said, we don't know if we feel safe anymore
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Speaker 9: in our own country. We don't know if we can
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Speaker 9: let our children go down the streets where they go
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Speaker 9: what they do. They're in fear. People are in fear,
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Speaker 9: and yet the politicians just pat themselves on the back
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Speaker 9: and carry on and they won't tackle what the real
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Speaker 9: issue is. It is radical Islam, the fundamentalist problems that
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Speaker 9: we have here. Instead of worrying about how we're going
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Speaker 9: to deal with hate speech, don't bring these people in
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Speaker 9: the country in the first place.
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Speaker 2: Yep, absolutely, I absolutely agree with you.
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Speaker 1: In fact, I felt we all need condolences for the
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Speaker 1: condolence motions, most of which.
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Speaker 2: Were pretty pathetic. Today.
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Speaker 1: Now your vote meanwhile, continues to surge the latest News
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Speaker 1: poll having one nation's primary vote on twenty two percent,
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Speaker 1: ahead of the coalition for the first time in history.
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Speaker 1: So you've got to be pretty toffed with that. Why
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Speaker 1: are you succeeding well? Susan Lee, who I actually thought
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Speaker 1: made a pretty good speech today, to be fair, But
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Speaker 1: why are you succeeding while she's losing ground?
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Speaker 9: Because I'm not an opportunist politician. I'm not a career politician.
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Speaker 9: I'm a person that's been here, first elected nearly thirty
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Speaker 9: years ago on the second of March of this year.
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Speaker 9: For thirty years, I've been in politics, eighteen years out
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Speaker 9: of parliament, James. It's about standing up and speaking from
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Speaker 9: the heart and connecting with people and a lot of
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Speaker 9: things that I've said back then against multiculturalism, what it
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Speaker 9: stands for, what it is about the mass migration, about
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Speaker 9: climate change, about the people bringing to the country. And
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Speaker 9: I was ridiculed, I was put down, condemned, criticized, you
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Speaker 9: name it, went to jail over my convictions what I
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Speaker 9: believed in. To try and get rid of me. It's
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Speaker 9: been time and time again from state and federal politicians
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Speaker 9: that wanted to get rid of me and one nation
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Speaker 9: what I stand for. The people now have worked an up.
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Speaker 9: They realized now and it wasn't just a bond iy.
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Speaker 9: This happened prior to it with the ker Charlie Kirk assassination.
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Speaker 9: That the younger ones are starting a wake up. People
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Speaker 9: starting to realize that the politicians there are there for
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Speaker 9: their own self interest push pushing an agenda on us,
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Speaker 9: that globalization, that it's not in our best interests. So
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Speaker 9: Australians is saying, hang on a minute, We're going to
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Speaker 9: take a better look at this this woman, what she
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Speaker 9: stands for. And I'm so humbled by the support that
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Speaker 9: I'm getting, but my job is only just starting.
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Speaker 1: Well, you make a great point that this is an
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Speaker 1: encouraging result, but it's not an election. So how do
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Speaker 1: you lock in this vote at the next election so
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Speaker 1: that it's not just a protest vote but it actually
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Speaker 1: translates into seats for one nation and genuine influence.
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Speaker 9: People want true leadership. Don't tell them the same old
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Speaker 9: retric and give them promises that you won't you follow
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Speaker 9: true on. People wanted to see clear policies that you
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Speaker 9: were going to implement to improve their lives and for
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Speaker 9: the lives of their future generations, and for this nation.
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Speaker 9: We don't see that from these politicians. It's from one
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Speaker 9: election to the next. I think that you know, I'll
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Speaker 9: be rolling out my policies what I intend to implement
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Speaker 9: in Australia for the australand people. It's all about dedication, patriotism,
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Speaker 9: that you believe in your country, you believe in the
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Speaker 9: people out there, whether you're born here or whether you
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Speaker 9: migrated here, where all Australians should be treated equally the same.
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Speaker 9: That's been my policy from day one, from thirty years ago,
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Speaker 9: and until we see that. Forget about the diversity, you
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Speaker 9: know there's enough diversity, but the whole fact is that
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Speaker 9: we must feel that we are Australians with one culture,
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Speaker 9: one goal, and to live in peace and harmony. And
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Speaker 9: I don't want these people in this country who don't
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Speaker 9: want to be Australian. Go back where you came from.
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Speaker 9: I don't care leave the country. I'll put you on
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Speaker 9: a plane, send you off. I'll pay for the ticket.
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Speaker 1: I absolutely agree with you that any politician now who's
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Speaker 1: emphasizing how great diversity is honestly should be dismissed. We
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Speaker 1: need our politicians emphasizing the need for unity and uniting
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Speaker 1: around what Australians have in common and our Australian values.
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Speaker 1: Someone who's not that excited about your great polling is
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Speaker 1: Anthony Albanesi. He was on radio with Kyle and Jack
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Speaker 1: Yo this morning. He says he's worried quote unquote about
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Speaker 1: one nation's rise.
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Speaker 2: Have a listened to.
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Speaker 3: Him, Oh, to worry because they can appear to grievance, but.
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Speaker 2: They have a pretty divisive life.
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Speaker 10: I'm a believer in mainstream politics.
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Speaker 9: Your response when you heard that, I've got a laugh
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Speaker 9: about that really divisive. This man who wanted to introduce
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Speaker 9: the voice that makes a divisive so we don't make
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Speaker 9: a vote for our politicians to represent us as one,
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Speaker 9: wanted another voice to parliament to allow people of a
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Speaker 9: different culture have that say this man, you know, who
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Speaker 9: didn't deal with andy Semitism in the country, honestly deviceive,
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Speaker 9: you know that's a pot calling the kettle black. What
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Speaker 9: a hypocrite here is. I've got no time for him.
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Speaker 9: The worst prime minister for this country has ever had. Yes,
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Speaker 9: he should be worried. And I'll tell you what, Anthony Albanisy,
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Speaker 9: I'm coming after you. I want to see you gone
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Speaker 9: from the being Prime Minister of this country at the
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Speaker 9: next election, and I'm going to work my butt off
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Speaker 9: it to make it.
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Speaker 1: Happen, Pauline, I reckon divisive has become the most overused
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Speaker 1: word in Australian politics. It used to be that if
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Speaker 1: you wanted to dismiss your opponent, you just label them
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Speaker 1: a racist. Now you label them divisive, and that apparently
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Speaker 1: is all it takes to write them off.
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Speaker 2: One more quick question before I let you go.
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Speaker 1: While Laboring the coalitioner in talks tonight, Susan Lee is
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Speaker 1: under real pressure from a party to walk away from
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Speaker 1: any deal with Labor on they're watered down anti semitism laws.
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Speaker 1: Labor have stripped out some of the toughest parts to
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Speaker 1: try to get it through, but the Coalition is still
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Speaker 1: arguing over safeguards, especially around giving a minister the power
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Speaker 1: to ban organizations deemed to be hate groups.
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Speaker 2: So I want to ask you about that.
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Speaker 1: Do you trust Tony Burke to have the power to
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Speaker 1: declare and ban a hate group or is that power
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Speaker 1: he should not have because it could too easily be abused.
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Speaker 9: I don't trust Tony Burke at all. He welcomed the
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Speaker 9: Isis brides in and the Guzians that he brought in
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Speaker 9: from Palestine who are big supporters of terrorist organizations from US.
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Speaker 9: And the whole fact is seasonally. If you do deals
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Speaker 9: with the Labor Party over this hate speech bill, you
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Speaker 9: are pathetic. You're a loser because I tell you what,
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Speaker 9: You're only ban dating which could actually impact on Australians
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Speaker 9: having their freedom of expression in this country. So you
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Speaker 9: just vote it down. You do not deal with the
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Speaker 9: Labor Party or the Greens on this bill. That is
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Speaker 9: absolutely a dog's breakfast and it should not even be considered.
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Speaker 2: So the Hanson.
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Speaker 1: I appreciate your time tonight and congratulations on your great
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Speaker 1: poll results.
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Speaker 2: More power to you. Thanks for your time.
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Speaker 1: Well, I want to look in more detail at the
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Speaker 1: latest News poll results showing one nation is ahead of
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Speaker 1: the Coalition on primary votes for the first time in history.
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Speaker 1: Is this an anomaly or does it represent a seismic
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Speaker 1: shift in Australian politics, not to mention a crisis moment
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Speaker 1: for the Coalition. Joining me is my panel the Nightly
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Speaker 1: Chief writer Aaron Patrick and former Speaker of the House
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Speaker 1: Bromwyn Bishop.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to you, both Bromwin.
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Speaker 1: Did you ever imagine a day when one nation would
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Speaker 1: be outpolling the coalition.
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Speaker 6: Well, no, I suppose I didn't, But I think something
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Speaker 6: interesting is happening in Australia. I think Albo the Divider
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Speaker 6: has succeeded in dividing the nation into two camps. On
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Speaker 6: one sa you have conservatism and the right, and that's
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Speaker 6: the coalition and one Nation, And on the other hand
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Speaker 6: you have the far left and the socialist Labor Party. Now,
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Speaker 6: if you look at those two polls, Resolve and the
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Speaker 6: News poll, you will see that if you put together
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Speaker 6: the votes are the right you will find that on
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Speaker 6: forty three percent and Labor's on forty four percent. If
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Speaker 6: you look at newspoll, if you look at Resolve, Labor's
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Speaker 6: on forty and the right of politics is on forty six.
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Speaker 6: So I see when you look again at the Resolve poll,
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Speaker 6: it said that fifty six percent of people thought Susan
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Speaker 6: Lee has handled the Bondai Absolute tragedy well and only
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Speaker 6: twenty three percent think Albanesia has I think we're seeing
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Speaker 6: some dramatic shifts. Now it's up to the people who
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Speaker 6: are in the house, who are the players, to capitalize
22:08
Speaker 6: on that and make sure as we approach the next
22:11
Speaker 6: election that those who believe that the direction that Albo
22:17
Speaker 6: the Divider has taken us upon is the wrong direction,
22:21
Speaker 6: to make sure they get behind the forces who want
22:24
Speaker 6: to see Australia behind one flag, with a culture that
22:28
Speaker 6: we love, with a policy that says we welcome people here,
22:32
Speaker 6: but we want assimilation to be part of multiculturalism. Then
22:36
Speaker 6: they have to make sure that they are given delivering
22:40
Speaker 6: policies that will make that happen.
22:43
Speaker 1: Well, can they do that, Aaron, because that's been one
22:45
Speaker 1: of the criticisms of Susan Lee's leadership that she's being
22:48
Speaker 1: very slow in getting policy out. It took forever to
22:51
Speaker 1: find out what their policy on energy was. We still
22:54
Speaker 1: don't have a coherent immigration policy from the coalition.
22:58
Speaker 2: Is that part of the reason that Susan l since.
23:00
Speaker 1: Becoming leader, has delivered four record low primary votes for
23:05
Speaker 1: the Coalition?
23:05
Speaker 2: And how does she turn it around?
23:08
Speaker 10: Well, jameson what I think members of the party room.
23:12
Speaker 10: Will you most concerned about it? There's the trajectory in
23:15
Speaker 10: the news poll, So in every single news poll, the
23:19
Speaker 10: coalition's primary vote has fallen. Now, Resolve says it's not
23:24
Speaker 10: as bad as what news Pol says. So Newspoll, as
23:28
Speaker 10: you've mentioned, having about it, even Resolve still has the
23:31
Speaker 10: Liberal Party ten points ahead of one nation. But the
23:34
Speaker 10: fact that we're even talking about this, that we're comparing
23:38
Speaker 10: similar levels of electoral support for one nation and the
23:41
Speaker 10: coalition is deeply, deeply troubling for the Liberal Party room
23:46
Speaker 10: and the Coalition as a whole. And it really raises
23:49
Speaker 10: the question about the sustainability of Susan Lee's leadership. And
23:54
Speaker 10: she has had, in the terrible events of December fourteenth,
23:59
Speaker 10: the huge political opportunity to draw a comparison a distinction
24:05
Speaker 10: between herself and the Prime Minister, and she's tried valiantly
24:08
Speaker 10: to do that and it hasn't worked politically. So I
24:13
Speaker 10: would imagine the party room would be looking at these
24:17
Speaker 10: numbers today very very soberly and with a great deal
24:22
Speaker 10: of concern.
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Speaker 2: I think Broman wants to push back on that out.
24:25
Speaker 6: Yeah, I do erin because Pauline Hanson is clear, concise
24:31
Speaker 6: and constant. That's a great appeal. She was our first
24:34
Speaker 6: political prisoner and I said said that at the time
24:37
Speaker 6: of her imprisonment. But again I see Susan Susan Lee
24:44
Speaker 6: being very strong in this period since the fourteenth of December.
24:48
Speaker 6: Now it is very conventional to say, look at the
24:51
Speaker 6: polling for this party or that party. I'm making a
24:54
Speaker 6: point that Australia is shifting away from the left and
24:58
Speaker 6: towards the right. Now it's up to the people who
25:02
Speaker 6: want to see those policies and want to see that
25:05
Speaker 6: change to make sure that they bring it together.
25:10
Speaker 10: Well look prominent, with great respect, I don't thickly share
25:15
Speaker 10: your view about that, and I think and I think
25:18
Speaker 10: the current political situation doesn't substantiate that because you've got
25:23
Speaker 10: the labor government with the biggest labor majority in history.
25:28
Speaker 10: So and the election, as you know, was only last May,
25:32
Speaker 10: less than a year ago. So while clearly the right
25:36
Speaker 10: and what I would call the far right picking up
25:38
Speaker 10: support here and even more so in the UK, you
25:42
Speaker 10: know in Majel Faraz's reform parties just on fire, I
25:46
Speaker 10: still think what you're seeing in Australia is a liberal
25:50
Speaker 10: party which hasn't convinced people of what it stands for.
25:54
Speaker 6: I wouldn't be too concerned about that big majority. It
25:57
Speaker 6: can be a blessing or a curse, and it was
26:00
Speaker 6: a curse for John hard in two thousand and four,
26:02
Speaker 6: one big done. In two thousand and seven he lost
26:06
Speaker 6: big time. So politics is a moveable feast, and you know,
26:10
Speaker 6: having been in there and seen those dramatic shifts from
26:14
Speaker 6: where the policy direction is can be sudden. And I
26:20
Speaker 6: think that people are making a mistake to say that
26:23
Speaker 6: the move of Australians out of the Labor Party and
26:27
Speaker 6: certainly the Liberal Party has been bleeding to one nation,
26:30
Speaker 6: so is the Labor Party now there is something different
26:34
Speaker 6: going on in the electorate from let me.
26:36
Speaker 2: Ask you this just quickly. I want to move on
26:38
Speaker 2: to some other topics.
26:39
Speaker 1: But you mentioned Susan Lee has the majority of Australians
26:43
Speaker 1: believing she's responded well to the events of BONDI.
26:46
Speaker 2: Yes, she's the opposition leader.
26:48
Speaker 1: It's not her job to unite the country and to
26:51
Speaker 1: enact security laws.
26:52
Speaker 2: It's a PM's job.
26:53
Speaker 1: He's been judged pretty harshly by the.
26:55
Speaker 2: Majority of Australians.
26:56
Speaker 1: How big a problem is that going to be for
26:58
Speaker 1: Anthony albanezans forget or is this going to follow him
27:02
Speaker 1: right until the next election?
27:03
Speaker 6: Just quickly, Well, I think it can follow him right
27:06
Speaker 6: to the next election, but it depends on how policies
27:10
Speaker 6: are evolved and prosecuted. I listened to the Prime Minister's
27:15
Speaker 6: speech today and I felt a shudder of doom go
27:18
Speaker 6: down my spine because it was so disingenuous. I picked
27:23
Speaker 6: up as you did that word continue. Yep, there was
27:25
Speaker 6: no continue. It was the start, because.
27:28
Speaker 2: He is a little bit of rewrite history in that ses.
27:30
Speaker 6: Indeed, he has presided over by no coming down hard
27:36
Speaker 6: on that demonstration at the Opera House, he has allowed
27:41
Speaker 6: anti Semitism to fester and become normalized. And for that
27:46
Speaker 6: there's no forgiving.
27:47
Speaker 11: All right.
27:47
Speaker 1: I want to ask you both about China, because while
27:50
Speaker 1: our Australian Parliament was trying to deal with the issue
27:53
Speaker 1: of radical Islam today there's another threat, and that of
27:56
Speaker 1: course is the Chinese Communist Party. The Chinese ambassador to
27:59
Speaker 1: Australia told the Australian today that we need to get
28:03
Speaker 1: our minds around a what he calls a unified China,
28:07
Speaker 1: which means China taking over Taiwan, and then he appeared
28:11
Speaker 1: to make threats to Australia that if we were to
28:14
Speaker 1: not support China's play on Taiwan, then we would suffer economically.
28:19
Speaker 1: You can't do trade with us, he said, and oppose
28:22
Speaker 1: reunification with Taiwan. Aaron, how seriously should we take those threats?
28:29
Speaker 1: And is the Australian government digging a hole for itself.
28:31
Speaker 1: On the one hand, we keep ramping up trade with
28:34
Speaker 1: China while putting aside these threats that trade will not
28:39
Speaker 1: continue unless we count our to their demands.
28:43
Speaker 10: We should take these threats extremely seriously, James, because they're
28:48
Speaker 10: matched by behavior. The Chinese are engaging in a sort
28:54
Speaker 10: of war of intimidation against Taiwan and by a default,
28:59
Speaker 10: the Western alive by sending ships and planes around the
29:02
Speaker 10: island of Taiwan on a daily basis, and clearly they
29:07
Speaker 10: are preparing potentially for an invasion. Whether they carry through
29:11
Speaker 10: or not, I guess we won't know until or unless
29:14
Speaker 10: the shooting starts. But this is the diplomatic side of
29:18
Speaker 10: a sort of preparation for warfare that's been under way
29:21
Speaker 10: for a number of years now, and we have to
29:24
Speaker 10: be very worried about it, because, as Russia is shown
29:28
Speaker 10: in the Ukraine, these great sort of dictatorships are naturally expansionist,
29:33
Speaker 10: and clearly the Chinese are sort of trying to sort
29:37
Speaker 10: of intimidate US out of in a way our position
29:40
Speaker 10: with the Western Alliance. Now, I think Australian government's trying
29:42
Speaker 10: to have it both ways. I think they're trying to
29:44
Speaker 10: have a strong and non confrontational diplomatic relationship with China,
29:50
Speaker 10: but at the same time they are participating militarily in
29:54
Speaker 10: I guess, I guess the default defense of Taiwan by
29:58
Speaker 10: sending our ships up there, by buying these nuclear submarrange
30:02
Speaker 10: which the primary objective is to basically sink sink Chinese ships.
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Speaker 1: There was one thing the Chinese ambassador said today that
30:10
Speaker 1: did make me laugh. He said, any country that doesn't
30:13
Speaker 1: support reunification with Taiwan will have no standing in the
30:17
Speaker 1: international community. Can we all just agree, bron when that
30:21
Speaker 1: the international community is a fiction?
30:23
Speaker 6: Yes, it's a fiction.
30:24
Speaker 2: Absolutely is all right.
30:25
Speaker 1: Let me quickly get your thoughts on sharks in Sydney,
30:29
Speaker 1: because there's been a third shark attack. Of course, on
30:32
Speaker 1: Sunday we had a twelve year old boy muled by
30:36
Speaker 1: a shark at the Klouse.
30:37
Speaker 2: We continue to pray for his recovery. He's in hospital. Today.
30:41
Speaker 2: We had a surfer have his board bitten.
30:44
Speaker 1: By a shark and then another surfer hauled out of
30:47
Speaker 1: the water unconscious. They had to perform CPR on him
30:50
Speaker 1: after his legs were bitten. He's currently fighting for his
30:54
Speaker 1: life in hospital. This all happens at the same time
30:59
Speaker 1: that we've got some Sydney councils petitioning the state government
31:02
Speaker 1: to be allowed to remove shark nets. Should this put
31:07
Speaker 1: to bed the whole idea of removing shark nets.
31:09
Speaker 2: We need them, don't we?
31:10
Speaker 6: Yes, we do. And I'm one of those people who
31:13
Speaker 6: put people first, and I have no truck with people
31:16
Speaker 6: who say, oh, it's the shark's domain and you go
31:19
Speaker 6: in there and you have to take you luck. Rubbish.
31:21
Speaker 6: The netting has been successful, and more particularly, there used
31:26
Speaker 6: to be a program of culling sharks, so there weren't
31:29
Speaker 6: so many. But of course people come in and they've
31:32
Speaker 6: argued against that. But I think these things need to
31:35
Speaker 6: be looked at because human life comes.
31:37
Speaker 2: First, absolutely.
31:39
Speaker 1: Aaron Patrick Bromwin Bishop, always had a light to talk
31:41
Speaker 1: with you. Thanks so much for joining me on the panel.
31:44
Speaker 1: Well still to come. It turns out young Australians are
31:47
Speaker 1: far more determined to celebrate Australia Day than the activists
31:50
Speaker 1: would have you believe. New polling shows support to keep
31:53
Speaker 1: January twenty six is surging. Indigenous leader Warren Mundine will
31:58
Speaker 1: join me after the break. One of my sons came
32:03
Speaker 1: to me the other day and said, Dad, can we
32:05
Speaker 1: have an Australiaday party next Monday at our house? I agreed,
32:09
Speaker 1: and now he's got thirty mates coming over for a
32:11
Speaker 1: barbecue and a swim in the pool.
32:13
Speaker 2: Pray for me.
32:14
Speaker 1: Turns out my twenty year old son is not alone
32:17
Speaker 1: in wanting to celebrate Australia Day. He's part of an
32:19
Speaker 1: overwhelming majority. New polling from the Institute of Public Affairs
32:24
Speaker 1: shows support for keeping Australia Day on January twenty six
32:28
Speaker 1: has jumped to seventy six percent. That's up from sixty
32:31
Speaker 1: nine percent last year and sixty three percent in twenty
32:35
Speaker 1: twenty four, and the popularity of Australia Day is highest
32:38
Speaker 1: among young people aged eighteen to twenty four, amongst whom
32:43
Speaker 1: eighty nine percent said they were proud to be Australian.
32:47
Speaker 1: Joining me now to discuss is Indigenous activist and businessman
32:50
Speaker 1: Warren Mundine.
32:52
Speaker 11: Warren surprised by this polling, No, not surprised at all,
32:56
Speaker 11: You know in fact that it's been a big shift.
32:59
Speaker 11: I know that you're talking at your son. I've noticed
33:01
Speaker 11: that with my sons and that and his mates. They
33:03
Speaker 11: come around there. They're very proud of being Australians. They're
33:06
Speaker 11: very proud of that, they're very proud of celebrating in
33:09
Speaker 11: an Australia day and that. So look, these figures don't
33:12
Speaker 11: surprise me at all. And isn't it great at a
33:15
Speaker 11: time after BONDI all this social cohesion and that we've
33:21
Speaker 11: got all these Australian kids out there, young people, all
33:24
Speaker 11: aged people, all want to celebrate Australian We've got to
33:27
Speaker 11: make it big this year.
33:28
Speaker 2: So I guess the question becomes this.
33:31
Speaker 1: Paul found that only ten percent of Australians have a
33:33
Speaker 1: problem with January twenty six, So why on earth is
33:38
Speaker 1: this a constant problem every year when it's such a
33:42
Speaker 1: tiny minority of people that.
33:43
Speaker 2: Have got a problem.
33:44
Speaker 11: Well, they've got a big mouth. They make a lot
33:46
Speaker 11: of noise, the bang on the drums, and governments are
33:49
Speaker 11: stupid to listen to them because you know, look what's happening.
33:53
Speaker 11: We need to bring our country together. I'll give you
33:55
Speaker 11: a good example. I was had a book launch one
33:58
Speaker 11: of Tony Abbats book launch woman asked the question. She said,
34:02
Speaker 11: you know, my preschool kids come home to young kids,
34:06
Speaker 11: you know, four or five, and they said where do
34:09
Speaker 11: we belong? And she said, what are you talking about?
34:11
Speaker 11: I said, oh, we had some teacher coming to the
34:13
Speaker 11: school today and said you don't belong here, and I'm
34:17
Speaker 11: sitting here can't I said, you know what you tell
34:19
Speaker 11: your kids laborage or person said you belong here? They
34:22
Speaker 11: belong here. This is the nonsense that's going on. We're
34:26
Speaker 11: all Australians, no matter whether you've been here five minutes
34:29
Speaker 11: or you've been here for five thousand years or whatever.
34:32
Speaker 2: We're all here.
34:33
Speaker 11: And we're building a beautiful, great nation.
34:36
Speaker 1: So why does the Australian Researcher Council give one point
34:39
Speaker 1: five million dollars of our money? This was just the
34:41
Speaker 1: other day to erase five to investigate changing the date.
34:47
Speaker 1: I mean, we've got this poll showing them most of
34:49
Speaker 1: us are very happy with January twenty sixth and it
34:51
Speaker 1: government institutions keep throwing our money at projects to changing.
34:55
Speaker 11: This is this is it. This is the winging crowd.
34:59
Speaker 11: You know, the people who don't like Australia. And it's
35:02
Speaker 11: only a tiny little group of people, even that ten
35:05
Speaker 11: percent that you know, you've probably find some of them
35:07
Speaker 11: want to have a celebration on another day. So this
35:10
Speaker 11: tiny little group of people who pushing this agenda, and
35:14
Speaker 11: governments are funding them to do these things, we should
35:17
Speaker 11: be funding about. How we should you know, how we
35:21
Speaker 11: should getting better education to our schools system, teaching kids
35:24
Speaker 11: that they do belong here, they should be proud of Australia,
35:28
Speaker 11: learning about what our diggers and everything one did in
35:31
Speaker 11: the past to make this a better country.
35:33
Speaker 1: So I was puzzled just to stay with this theme.
35:35
Speaker 1: The National Australiaday Council. So as the name suggests, it's
35:39
Speaker 1: a job of the National Australia Day Council to promote
35:41
Speaker 1: them Australia Day. Yes, but they've given taxpayer money to
35:45
Speaker 1: a Blue Mountains Aboriginal group who are going to run
35:48
Speaker 1: on January twenty six, what they're calling a Survival Day.
35:53
Speaker 1: How does the Australia Day Council giving money to an
35:56
Speaker 1: Indigenous group to run not an Australia Day event but
35:59
Speaker 1: a survivor they promote Australia Day.
36:02
Speaker 11: This is the idiocy of the whole thing again, what
36:05
Speaker 11: that should have done been thought to say, Look here,
36:09
Speaker 11: we've been in Australia so many thousand years and look
36:12
Speaker 11: at this great nation that we're building. You know all
36:15
Speaker 11: we've got rid of all the race laws in this country,
36:17
Speaker 11: we've got voting rights, we've got everyone working together. We're
36:20
Speaker 11: helping people get into jobs, education and land rights and
36:23
Speaker 11: all this type of stuff. And we're building this great country.
36:26
Speaker 11: We've got migrants coming here, and let's celebrate our indigenous
36:31
Speaker 11: heritage but also celebrate that we're part of this fantastic,
36:36
Speaker 11: incredible country which is probably the best country in the world. Alts,
36:41
Speaker 11: we deal with some of these issues that we've got
36:43
Speaker 11: at the moment.
36:43
Speaker 6: Yeah.
36:44
Speaker 1: And the weird thing about the Australiaday Council is on
36:46
Speaker 1: their website they're promoting this Survival Day as Australia Day,
36:52
Speaker 1: Family Fun Day, So that seems.
36:54
Speaker 2: To be a little bit of false advertising even names.
36:58
Speaker 12: Even the Blue Mountains Group.
36:59
Speaker 11: I just reading too, as I know we've already told
37:02
Speaker 11: them that it's a Arrival days. I don't know what
37:04
Speaker 11: this game is they're playing.
37:06
Speaker 2: One more ISHU I want to ask you about.
37:08
Speaker 1: It's come to our attention that there's literally dozens of
37:11
Speaker 1: major projects now stalled across the country with a growing
37:14
Speaker 1: backlog of indigenous heritage protection claims against mining, housing, major infrastructure.
37:20
Speaker 1: More than sixty unresolved applications still sitting with the federal government,
37:24
Speaker 1: despite the Federal government giving eighteen million dollars in funding
37:28
Speaker 1: to try and get rid of this backlog of claims,
37:30
Speaker 1: and there you've got claims against.
37:32
Speaker 2: The Brisbane Olympic statum development.
37:34
Speaker 1: How does the government get rid of this backlog of
37:37
Speaker 1: claims while still doing justice to we want to protect
37:40
Speaker 1: genuine historical and culture sites.
37:44
Speaker 2: How do they get the balance because it doesn't seem
37:46
Speaker 2: to be.
37:47
Speaker 11: We want to protect these are Australian cultural herody sites.
37:50
Speaker 11: These are genuine ones. Let's look at protecting them. The
37:54
Speaker 11: problem we have is the legislation and the process that's
37:57
Speaker 11: put this in. So once you go into the funnel
38:00
Speaker 11: of the process to get something at the end, it
38:02
Speaker 11: just takes forever to.
38:03
Speaker 2: Get through it.
38:03
Speaker 11: And then at the end of the day, as we
38:05
Speaker 11: saw with the Plever site thing on that gold mine
38:07
Speaker 11: in central New South Wales, the Minister can then just
38:11
Speaker 11: bypass all that and say no, we've got to get
38:13
Speaker 11: a better system in place, get the legislation fixed, and
38:17
Speaker 11: so that is a quick process because some of these projects,
38:19
Speaker 11: and you look at some of these mining and energy projects,
38:22
Speaker 11: these are going to have better outcomes for Apriiginal people.
38:24
Speaker 11: They're going to create jobs in their communities. They're going
38:26
Speaker 11: to get they're going to help get money so they
38:28
Speaker 11: can get education and programs and services in their communities.
38:33
Speaker 11: Fix the legislation, fix the process and the regulation so
38:36
Speaker 11: that it is a quick process that people aren't sitting around.
38:39
Speaker 11: The funniest one, of course, was that they was about
38:42
Speaker 11: that mind that they're going to they're going to stop
38:44
Speaker 11: it from expanding, and the minder said, we're not expanding
38:47
Speaker 11: the mind, and maybe better information would be helped too.
38:51
Speaker 2: Absolutely, War on Monday, thanks for joining me. Always great
38:54
Speaker 2: to talk with you and have a great Australia Day.
38:56
Speaker 11: Onlind Same to you, Mate, to you and the family.
38:58
Speaker 3: Good on.
38:59
Speaker 2: Thanks all.
38:59
Speaker 1: Right after the break, the RBA might be about to
39:02
Speaker 1: shock the market with an interest rate rise. Consumer spending
39:05
Speaker 1: is surging, inflation is still a problem, and so a
39:08
Speaker 1: February rate hike is suddenly back on the table. Former
39:12
Speaker 1: Treasury assistant Secretary David Pearl will join me to talk
39:14
Speaker 1: about that.
39:15
Speaker 2: And more next Well.
39:19
Speaker 1: Since the Bondi terror attack, the economy has pretty much
39:22
Speaker 1: been forgotten, but we better talk about it because markets
39:25
Speaker 1: are largely betting.
39:26
Speaker 2: The RBA sits tight at.
39:28
Speaker 1: Its early February meeting, but the case for a rate
39:30
Speaker 1: hike hasn't completely disappeared. Household spending has jumped to its
39:35
Speaker 1: strongest pace in more than two years, and with inflation
39:38
Speaker 1: still on the high side, the bank could be forced
39:40
Speaker 1: to move even if it shocks markets. Joining me now
39:44
Speaker 1: is to discuss is former Treasurer Assistant Secretary David Pearl. David,
39:48
Speaker 1: I find that a little galling that economists are saying
39:51
Speaker 1: increased consumer spending might tip inflation to the point where
39:55
Speaker 1: a rate rise is needed. If anyone needs to curb
39:57
Speaker 1: their spending, it's the federal government.
39:59
Speaker 12: Is good evening, James, and good evening to a viewers.
40:04
Speaker 12: You're absolutely right. You might recall James that in the
40:09
Speaker 12: MAINFO statement which was handed down only a few days
40:12
Speaker 12: after Bondi, which was a great misjudgment in my view,
40:15
Speaker 12: Jim Chalmers confirmed that real spending growth in the current
40:20
Speaker 12: physical year would be four point five percent. That's four
40:24
Speaker 12: point five percent over and above inflation. And Jim Charmers,
40:29
Speaker 12: since becoming Treasurer in twenty twenty two, has averaged real
40:33
Speaker 12: spending growth of over four percent each year. So he's
40:37
Speaker 12: pouring fuel on the inflationary fire, and that is a
40:41
Speaker 12: major reason, not the only reason, why the RBA Board
40:45
Speaker 12: is likely to have to raise rates in February. The
40:47
Speaker 12: other reason, of course, James, is that the RBA Board
40:50
Speaker 12: itself cut the cash rate just before the election, before
40:55
Speaker 12: it had any reason to do so, and then follow
40:57
Speaker 12: that up with two further cash rates. So it's misjudgments
41:01
Speaker 12: about the effect of cash rate reduction and the strength
41:04
Speaker 12: of household demand is also playing into this.
41:08
Speaker 1: I know two of the big four banks are tipping
41:10
Speaker 1: there will be a rate rise in February.
41:12
Speaker 2: You just said it's likely.
41:14
Speaker 1: Is that your view that we will get a rate
41:17
Speaker 1: rise in February.
41:19
Speaker 12: Well, I don't listen that much to the banks because
41:21
Speaker 12: they're just looking at the inflation data and if they
41:25
Speaker 12: are worried about the December quad and inflation read coming
41:29
Speaker 12: out in a few weeks confirming that inflation's above target,
41:32
Speaker 12: they're probably right. But as a former Treasury person who's
41:35
Speaker 12: worked closely with central banks. I focus on credibility. Central
41:41
Speaker 12: Bank Mountrey Policy Board has one job and one job only,
41:45
Speaker 12: and that's to keep inflation under control. Michelle Bullock hand
41:49
Speaker 12: on heart throughout last year said she could cut rates
41:53
Speaker 12: without letting the genie out of the bottle. Well that's happened.
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Speaker 12: So I like Michelle, but I think what she has
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Speaker 12: to do in febru regardless of what the data say,
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Speaker 12: whether it's a couple of points more or a couple
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Speaker 12: of points less, that's what the banks focus on. She
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Speaker 12: has to worry about her credibility and her legacy, and
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Speaker 12: I think that requires her on the side, unfortunately for
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Speaker 12: millions of mortgage holders in this country to raise rates,
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Speaker 12: because if she doesn't do that and inflation becomes entrenched,
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Speaker 12: you and your listeners, James No, that rates will have
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Speaker 12: to be raised far more, causing far more pain.
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Speaker 1: All right now, Australia's top business groups are warning that
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Speaker 1: the country risks sliding into what they call survival mode,
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Speaker 1: with businesses focusing on cost control rather than growth, and
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Speaker 1: they're asking the Albinezi government to pivot quickly from the
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Speaker 1: BONDI response, which we all agree is incredibly important. But
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Speaker 1: back to the economy, specifically things like cutting red tape,
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Speaker 1: fixing tax boosting productivity, getting energy and skills policy moving.
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Speaker 2: A business is right.
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Speaker 1: Are we in vival mode right now? It feels like
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Speaker 1: when it comes to the economics the country is just
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Speaker 1: kind of coasting along right now without any real solutions.
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Speaker 12: Well, James is probably worse than that. From twenty twenty
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Speaker 12: two to today, real living standards have fallen in Australia
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Speaker 12: by more than any other obsity country. That's partly due
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Speaker 12: to bracket creep and inflation, both eating weight at living standards,
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Speaker 12: so we're actually going backwards. The productivity growth in this
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Speaker 12: country is miserable and without lifting it, we're not going
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Speaker 12: to get inflation down. We're not going to raise living
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Speaker 12: standards now. I do find it amusing that these business
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Speaker 12: leaders give these soliloquies to the papers about the need
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Speaker 12: to cut red tape and simplify taxes and lower costs,
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Speaker 12: but they never get specific. Very few of them come
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Speaker 12: out and say that the government's ruinous renewable energy targets,
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Speaker 12: ruinous climate change policies which are raising costs, are causing damage.
44:05
Speaker 12: Because a lot of business groups frankly want to pocket
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Speaker 12: the subsidies that are going to wind and solar factory.
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Speaker 12: So it is disappointing, but look, the culprit is the treasurer.
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Speaker 12: He had three big fails last year. He presided over
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Speaker 12: this proactivity roundtable, which he talked up for months beforehand,
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Speaker 12: which came up with absolutely nothing apart from a green
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Speaker 12: light to add more wind and solar factories throughout the country.
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Speaker 12: He tried to impose a paper profits tax on superanuents
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Speaker 12: and were slapped down by Paul Keating and his own
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Speaker 12: Prime minister. And in the midst of a re emerging
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Speaker 12: inflation crisis at my ephone, instead of calling a mini
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Speaker 12: budget cutting back on the NDAs another spending he signed
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Speaker 12: off on four point five percent real spending growth. So
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Speaker 12: we have arguably the most incompetent treasure in modern history.
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Speaker 12: And that's been a stiff competition from both parties on
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Speaker 12: the helm at the helm at the moment, and these
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Speaker 12: business leaders who you know always glad handing Jim Chalmers,
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Speaker 12: they don't want to offend him.
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Speaker 1: To speak in generalities, you mentioned the productivity round table.
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Speaker 1: I'd forgotten about that, and as it turns out, pretty
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Speaker 1: much everyone else had forgotten about it as well. David Pearl,
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Speaker 1: thanks for joining me well after the break. Extraordinary scenes
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Speaker 1: in the US overnight with anti ICE protesters storming a
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Speaker 1: church service. It's a new low in what's supposed to
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Speaker 1: be a debate about immigration.
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Speaker 2: Kosher Gata joins me.
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Speaker 13: Next.
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Speaker 1: Extraordinary scenes in the US overnight when anti ICE protesters,
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Speaker 1: whipped up by Democrat politicians, stormed a church service. They
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Speaker 1: barged into the service and accused one of the pastors
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Speaker 1: of working with immigration customs enforcement in Minnesota.
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Speaker 2: Take a look.
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Speaker 7: Gathered for worship wish we do every Sunday, and we
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Speaker 7: were interrupted by this group of protesters. We asked them
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Speaker 7: to leave, and they obviously joining me.
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Speaker 1: Now is Skinny's contributed Kosher Garda. Kosher Democrats storming church
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Speaker 1: services is a new low in what is a disagreement
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Speaker 1: essentially about what to do with illegal migrants.
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Speaker 13: Right, Yes, and it would suggest that maybe it is
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Speaker 13: about more than that. It's about something more fundamental and
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Speaker 13: the demographics of the country, the electorate of the country,
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Speaker 13: how people are going to vote, what the country is
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Speaker 13: going to look like. It feels like it's really almost existential.
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Speaker 13: This whole industry. I call it the illegal immigration industry
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Speaker 13: because that's what it is. It is existential to many
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Speaker 13: vested power structures in the country, and that's why you
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Speaker 13: see things stooping to this low. I would make the
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Speaker 13: point that there's three layers to this. There's the policy position,
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Speaker 13: and on that the Trump administration has really won. It
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Speaker 13: is remarkable how much just in the last decade public
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Speaker 13: opinion has shifted and people are in favor of deporting
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Speaker 13: mass deportations of illegals, violent criminals, and non violent criminals,
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Speaker 13: all of them.
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Speaker 2: So he's won that.
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Speaker 13: Then when it comes to the execution, though, that's where
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Speaker 13: it gets dirty and muddy a little bit, and you
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Speaker 13: will have unfortunate events conflicts. The Renee Good episode from
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Speaker 13: last week, and that work looks bad. It does, I think,
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Speaker 13: make the execution look bad or take on a negative taint.
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Speaker 13: So this is sort of the flip side of that
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Speaker 13: that this makes the protesters look very bad. If you're
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Speaker 13: going in there and storming peaceful churchgoers on a Sunday service,
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Speaker 13: it's not a good look. So I think we're sort
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Speaker 13: of in this back and forth in the court of
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Speaker 13: public opinion, and this was not a good day for
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Speaker 13: the protesters.
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Speaker 1: Indeed, all right, I want to talk to about Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump threatening terraffs on NATO allies who oppose an American
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Speaker 1: takeover of Greenland. The Europeans are pushing back hard kissed
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Speaker 1: Stama build a press conference just thirty minutes ago.
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Speaker 2: Here's some of what he had to say.
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Speaker 14: The use of tariffs against allies is completely wrong. It
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Speaker 14: is not the right way to resolve differences within an alliance. Yes,
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Speaker 14: nor is it helpful to frame efforts to strengthen Greenland
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Speaker 14: security as a justification for economic pressure.
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Speaker 1: So IM going to ask you, Kosher, is this just
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Speaker 1: Trump negotiating, you know, he's art of the deal, or
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Speaker 1: is it the start of a serious trade fight between
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Speaker 1: NATO allies.
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Speaker 13: I think it might be a little bit of both.
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Speaker 13: And how far we have come this Greenland used to
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Speaker 13: be sort of a joke in his first term. I
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Speaker 13: think a lot of people sort are considered Trump a
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Speaker 13: joke in his first term, and many corners of the world,
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Speaker 13: certainly not all and they used to laugh about it.
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Speaker 13: And now here we are where it really is a
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Speaker 13: serious possibility. I was looking at Polymarkets, one of the
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Speaker 13: betting markets, and where the public believes the likelihood is
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Speaker 13: of Trump pulling this off, and they're putting it at
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Speaker 13: something like twenty three percent. I think personally it's maybe
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Speaker 13: closer to fifty. And I say that because just the
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Speaker 13: reality I'm looking at it through a lens of foreign
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Speaker 13: policy realism, and what Prime Minister Kirestarmo there was saying,
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Speaker 13: you know, he's not wrong, He's saying what he should say,
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Speaker 13: which is that it's morally maybe not correct, but maybe
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Speaker 13: morality is the wrong frame if you think of it
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Speaker 13: in terms of realism, and that is that a powerful
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Speaker 13: country who believes that it is in their national interest
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Speaker 13: to make this happen has the capacity to do it,
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Speaker 13: and none of those other countries have the capacity to
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Speaker 13: block it. That is just the blunt truth that is
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Speaker 13: kind of where you wind up. I think, you know
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Speaker 13: Trump is going to do it. In terms of economics,
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Speaker 13: I don't think it's going to be an annexation or
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Speaker 13: a conquest the way some in the media portray it.
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Speaker 13: But it could be the stick of tariffs, and it
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Speaker 13: could also be the carrot this has been floated of
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Speaker 13: offering the Greenlandic people some sort of payout payment basically,
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Speaker 13: and if they accept that as part of a referendum
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Speaker 13: that they can decide to do and if they want
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Speaker 13: to become a territory of the United States like a
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Speaker 13: Guam or a Puerto Rico. I don't think it's as
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Speaker 13: crazy as people might think it is. But time will.
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Speaker 1: Tell, right, Kosher, just in thirty seconds. Trump is holding
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Speaker 1: fire on Iran for now, but there's pressure build for
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Speaker 1: him to do something to help those protesting the regime.
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Speaker 2: Just very quickly.
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Speaker 1: Do you think Trump's going to do anything or will
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Speaker 1: he sit back and just let it play out?
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Speaker 13: We never ever know with Tromp, but I think the
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Speaker 13: fact that he's holding back despite immense pressure, You're absolutely right,
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Speaker 13: suggests that he doesn't want to. He is acutely aware
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Speaker 13: of the quagmire that the Middle East tends to be
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Speaker 13: and the complexity of Iran as a nation, and not
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Speaker 13: wanting to get the US sucked into that. So I
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Speaker 13: think he really wants to hold back. But every day
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Speaker 13: is a new day, and we will wait and see.
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Speaker 2: Kosher Gada.
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Speaker 1: It's an interesting time that we're living in and I
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Speaker 1: always enjoy discussing it with you. Thanks so much for
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Speaker 1: joining me. Well that's all I've got time for tonight.
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Speaker 1: I'll be back tomorrow night filling in for Sharry, but
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Speaker 1: stick around. Coming up right now is Paul Murray