Latest / Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott / The News And What It Teaches About Personal Defense

Transcript

The News And What It Teaches About Personal Defense · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

• 0:11
  Speaker 1: And here we are the third hour of the Morning
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Show with Preston Scott. That's Jose. Can you see over
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: there in studio one A, Yes, that's right. Can you
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: see C A N s U No, C A N
• 0:29
  Speaker 1: U S E. Yeah, I got that right. You can
• 0:31
  Speaker 1: email him Jose. Can you see at iHeartRadio dot com.
• 0:35
  Speaker 1: Simple as that. But we welcome in studio for the
• 0:38
  Speaker 1: third hour. J D. Johnson with us yet again type
• 0:47
  Speaker 1: of personal defense. He co founder of the talent training
• 0:50
  Speaker 1: group Talent Range, and of course co host of Talent Outdoors,
• 0:53
  Speaker 1: which can be heard on these fine radio stations on Saturday,
• 0:57
  Speaker 1: and you can also check it out on the iHeartRadio app.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: I'm great?
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: How about you doing good? How was your storm clean? Now?
• 1:06
  Speaker 3: Very brief, it was, thankfully, thankfully no damage anywhere. Yeah
• 1:13
  Speaker 3: around us.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: You know, while all that was going on, we had
• 1:16
  Speaker 1: a couple shootings locally. But there's one I want to
• 1:18
  Speaker 1: get your thoughts on because it really ties into the
• 1:22
  Speaker 1: things we've talked about for the last several years, and
• 1:25
  Speaker 1: it is personal defense. Business called Florida Hemp Distribution. There's
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: an attempted robbery, A male employee fights back. Now we
• 1:35
  Speaker 1: don't know. At least I don't know. I've not seen
• 1:38
  Speaker 1: whether the attempted robber the whether you had a weapon
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: or not. But the attack continued and the employee gets
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: arm's length away, is trying to stop the attack continues.
• 1:56
  Speaker 1: He draws a firearm and discharges his weapon and kills
• 2:01
  Speaker 1: the attacker. What in that scenario do you as you
• 2:07
  Speaker 1: just think about it? Was there anything that the employee
• 2:10
  Speaker 1: did wrong?
• 2:11
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean, I don't know anything
• 2:14
  Speaker 3: about it. I haven't I haven't read about it or
• 2:16
  Speaker 3: heard about it. But yeah, I mean, you're you're if
• 2:19
  Speaker 3: you have a robbery going on at your place of
• 2:21
  Speaker 3: business and your employer, if if you're not the employer
• 2:24
  Speaker 3: or the business owner allows you to carry on the job,
• 2:29
  Speaker 3: you're very well within statutory statutory rights to defend yourself
• 2:35
  Speaker 3: from a robbery. It's a forcible felony.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: The employee was not arrested, no charges are going to
• 2:40
  Speaker 1: be filed. All of it appears to be self defense.
• 2:43
  Speaker 1: But let me then bring out from this just the
• 2:46
  Speaker 1: scenario of does it matter because we don't know at
• 2:50
  Speaker 1: this point, but would it matter if the attacker had
• 2:53
  Speaker 1: a weapon or did not have a weapon, but was
• 2:55
  Speaker 1: still violently physically attacking.
• 2:58
  Speaker 3: No under the because it is a forcible felony, a robbery.
• 3:03
  Speaker 3: I mean you can, you can have a disparity in
• 3:07
  Speaker 3: size and aggression or whatever. And you know that that's
• 3:10
  Speaker 3: what allows a small person that can't physically defend themselves
• 3:14
  Speaker 3: against a large person to be within their be within
• 3:17
  Speaker 3: their rights and within the statutory language of use of
• 3:20
  Speaker 3: force to shoot somebody.
• 3:23
  Speaker 1: What if it's inverted, what if the employee is our size,
• 3:27
  Speaker 1: and what if the attacker is someone that is rather diminutive?
• 3:31
  Speaker 3: Right, still still a forcible felony. You know, you're you're
• 3:35
  Speaker 3: a burden of if it was if it was somewhere
• 3:39
  Speaker 3: happening on the street, you know where somebody's just making
• 3:42
  Speaker 3: a threat to harm somebody, as opposed to committing a robbery.
• 3:47
  Speaker 3: A robbery is I'm gonna beat you up if you
• 3:48
  Speaker 3: don't give me whatever. So you have that forcible taking
• 3:53
  Speaker 3: of property. So under statutory language, it's a forcible robbery.
• 3:58
  Speaker 3: It doesn't matter, shouldn't matter, but in reality, if it does.
• 4:03
  Speaker 3: If you had an attorney, a state attorney somewhere that
• 4:06
  Speaker 3: decided to charge.
• 4:07
  Speaker 2: You, you may have some spleaning to do.
• 4:10
  Speaker 3: You know it's one of those things where smaller, weaker, older,
• 4:16
  Speaker 3: more diminutive people, smaller people can get away with using
• 4:19
  Speaker 3: a firearm in some circumstances.
• 4:24
  Speaker 1: And we are back JD. Johnson with me from the
• 4:28
  Speaker 1: Talent Training Group. Amendment three is on the ballot. That's
• 4:32
  Speaker 1: the one that legalizes recreational use of weed. Before we
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: drill down into some specifics, I want to get your
• 4:37
  Speaker 1: thoughts on just broadly, what do you think.
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, I just so hope that doesn't pass. Why smell it?
• 4:43
  Speaker 1: Just?
• 4:43
  Speaker 3: I can't be personal conviction, Yeah, personal conviction and the whole.
• 4:49
  Speaker 3: If you've never been somewhere where it's legal, before you
• 4:53
  Speaker 3: vote yes on it, whether if you're apathetic about it,
• 4:56
  Speaker 3: go to Las Vegas and just try to go outside
• 4:58
  Speaker 3: and enjoy the the evening, you know, walking around looking
• 5:03
  Speaker 3: at the at the fountain at Bolagio or watching the
• 5:06
  Speaker 3: Pirate Ship or whatever, you know, shows that are outside.
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: You can't.
• 5:10
  Speaker 3: That's all you smell. And I'm not I'm personally I
• 5:13
  Speaker 3: don't like the smell.
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: It's just it just it's a nasty, dank, pungent smell. Yeah,
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: it's just nauseating to me personally.
• 5:21
  Speaker 3: So it's it. But yeah, when you legalize it for
• 5:24
  Speaker 3: recreational use, one, you're going to have more and more
• 5:27
  Speaker 3: kids getting hold of it. Thank you. It's going to
• 5:30
  Speaker 3: be out there. The eighteen or twenty one year old,
• 5:33
  Speaker 3: whatever the age cutof's going to be, is going to
• 5:35
  Speaker 3: be doing what they've always done and bringing their little brother,
• 5:38
  Speaker 3: little sister along, passing it out to the friends, whatever else.
• 5:41
  Speaker 3: It's going to proliferate a lot deeper into our world
• 5:45
  Speaker 3: if it's legal for recreational use, and it's it's going
• 5:50
  Speaker 3: to I think you will see a spike in the
• 5:53
  Speaker 3: crime rate. I mean because of it and because of
• 5:55
  Speaker 3: people wanting to get a hold of it. And we
• 5:57
  Speaker 3: see robberies. What was the most likely place to get robbed?
• 6:01
  Speaker 3: The two most likely places to get robbed before in
• 6:04
  Speaker 3: the in history, where where the robberies always happened. Liquor stores,
• 6:09
  Speaker 3: convenience stores that sell beer at two o'clock in the morning. That's,
• 6:14
  Speaker 3: for whatever reason, that's where they happen. That's where a
• 6:17
  Speaker 3: lot of robberies, you know, robbed the liquor store, robbed
• 6:19
  Speaker 3: a convenience store, and they're you know, liquor stores. Uh,
• 6:23
  Speaker 3: it's just an inviting nuisance is what it boils down to.
• 6:26
  Speaker 3: And I'm not not opposed to you know, I just
• 6:30
  Speaker 3: think it will cause problems.
• 6:33
  Speaker 1: Your experience with it would seem to indicate that you
• 6:37
  Speaker 1: have an informed opinion on this. You know. I've been
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: taking the approach that you know, science has proven that
• 6:45
  Speaker 1: this harms forming adolescent brains, that this is going to
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: hurt children and minors, uh, teenagers and tweens, and and
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: so the fact that it's going to be legal means
• 6:57
  Speaker 1: it's going to be more accessible, whether legal or not,
• 7:00
  Speaker 1: right to those kids because it's legal on the front end.
• 7:03
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 7:04
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's if you can go down to the
• 7:06
  Speaker 3: corner store basically or go to the corner weed dispensary
• 7:08
  Speaker 3: and buy it without any kind of a medical reason
• 7:12
  Speaker 3: or whatever else. Yeah, there's gonna be more of it around.
• 7:15
  Speaker 3: So if there's more of it around, you're going to
• 7:18
  Speaker 3: have more kids getting hold of it, more teenagers.
• 7:20
  Speaker 1: I think some people are being confused by seeing a
• 7:23
  Speaker 1: couple of sheriffs, including Gadsden County Sheriffs Morris Young, advocating
• 7:28
  Speaker 1: the passage of it, and he states that it's going
• 7:31
  Speaker 1: to make things easier on law enforcement. Do you agree, No,
• 7:35
  Speaker 1: I don't. I think you're going to have more traffic
• 7:39
  Speaker 1: crashes involving under the influence. And it's more difficult to
• 7:42
  Speaker 1: tell at the scene of a crash unless you have
• 7:46
  Speaker 1: the very pungent odor at a traffic crash. Let's say
• 7:51
  Speaker 1: they're not smoking it, they're doing the gummy bears or whatever,
• 7:56
  Speaker 1: the edible stuff that you.
• 7:58
  Speaker 3: Don't get that overwhelming. I mean I can smell green,
• 8:02
  Speaker 3: green or smoked marijuana at a distance, yep. As a
• 8:06
  Speaker 3: law enforcement officer, I could smell it if there's somebody
• 8:08
  Speaker 3: in the car in front of me had it, you know,
• 8:10
  Speaker 3: the car. I could smell the car in front of
• 8:11
  Speaker 3: me if it was loaded down with it well, with
• 8:13
  Speaker 3: the windows down.
• 8:14
  Speaker 1: But according to FHPJD, one quarter of the drivers in
• 8:18
  Speaker 1: a fatality related crash are now under the influence of marijuana.
• 8:22
  Speaker 3: That doesn't surprise me at all. And so you think
• 8:26
  Speaker 3: about it, and that's just for people with a license
• 8:28
  Speaker 3: right now that have gone to the trouble of getting
• 8:30
  Speaker 3: a you know or not or not, but right so
• 8:36
  Speaker 3: we'll see more and more of that, yeah, for sure.
• 8:39
  Speaker 3: And you get people that and everybody says you can't
• 8:43
  Speaker 3: be addicted to marijuana.
• 8:44
  Speaker 2: I don't agree.
• 8:45
  Speaker 3: You can be addicted to the behavior, whether whether it's
• 8:47
  Speaker 3: an addictive drug or not. You can be addicted to
• 8:51
  Speaker 3: being high all the time.
• 8:52
  Speaker 1: What did George Carlin say, I've been smoking we twenty years.
• 8:54
  Speaker 1: I'm not hooked exactly.
• 8:57
  Speaker 3: So yeah, So when people just with any addictive behavior, gambling, drinking,
• 9:05
  Speaker 3: any of that stuff, people will go out and do
• 9:08
  Speaker 3: bad things to get it.
• 9:09
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 9:10
  Speaker 2: So that's kind of what it boils down to.
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: JD.
• 9:12
  Speaker 1: Johnson of the Talent Training Group with us, we're doing
• 9:16
  Speaker 1: personal defense here and just looking at a few different cases,
• 9:19
  Speaker 1: some things that for example, Amendment three you're going to
• 9:22
  Speaker 1: vote on, folks, and I'm you know, I'm already pushing
• 9:27
  Speaker 1: lawmakers to put some guidelines out there if this thing passes.
• 9:30
  Speaker 1: But I hope a dozen Amendment three. But earlier in
• 9:34
  Speaker 1: the week, we talked about Ashley Babbitt. She was the
• 9:36
  Speaker 1: Air Force veteran that was at January sixth that you know,
• 9:39
  Speaker 1: obviously made the mistake of going to the Capitol because
• 9:42
  Speaker 1: it was a mistake to go inside the building even
• 9:46
  Speaker 1: if the doors were opened up by security and Capitol
• 9:49
  Speaker 1: police and all that, and we could spend an entire
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: show talking about all of that. But the wrongful death
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: lawsuit JD filed by her family and estate has been
• 9:58
  Speaker 1: pushed to July of twenty twenty six. So I want
• 10:02
  Speaker 1: to zero back in on the actions of Capitol Police
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: Captain Michael Byrd, who was in charge at that time,
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: being the ranking officer. While the proceedings were happening at
• 10:14
  Speaker 1: the Senate, they shut them all down, they were evacuating everybody.
• 10:18
  Speaker 1: But she comes through a opening in the where a
• 10:22
  Speaker 1: piece of glass was and her hands were exposed. There
• 10:25
  Speaker 1: was nothing in them, and he shot and killed her.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: And the video shows it. Everyone that wants to see
• 10:30
  Speaker 1: it can see it. Let's talk about what he did wrong.
• 10:34
  Speaker 3: Well, unlike in the military, in a military setting or
• 10:39
  Speaker 3: unlike a let's just say a prison setting where you
• 10:42
  Speaker 3: have a fence or a perimeter that you know, and
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: you've got nul convicted, felling bad guys living inside that fence.
• 10:48
  Speaker 3: You know the corrections. Guys can draw a line in
• 10:51
  Speaker 3: the sand and say, okay, anybody comes past this point,
• 10:54
  Speaker 3: gets on that fence, starts climb over the fence. Deadly
• 10:57
  Speaker 3: force is authorized for them. You know, an escape attempt
• 11:03
  Speaker 3: in the military you have a zone or an area
• 11:07
  Speaker 3: or whatever, this is okay, anybody that comes across this,
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: comes across this area right here, where it's properly posted
• 11:13
  Speaker 3: and marked and lined off or whatever. We're not gonna
• 11:15
  Speaker 3: let the enemy progress past this point. That's a military situation,
• 11:21
  Speaker 3: Saville law enforcement. There, I can't imagine any anything where
• 11:26
  Speaker 3: you can draw a where it's okay to draw a
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: line in the sand or say okay if they come
• 11:31
  Speaker 3: through this door, unless they're armed, unless they're obviously armed
• 11:36
  Speaker 3: and committing an assault.
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: But that goes back to the basic things we talk
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: about time and again. Right whether it's castle doctrine or not,
• 11:43
  Speaker 1: it's there an expectation that you are in harm's way
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: at that point because they have a weapon.
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: And civilians, we can draw that line at our at
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: the door, the window, the house, whatever that's our house.
• 11:54
  Speaker 3: Absolutely know we can draw that line. Of civilians in
• 11:57
  Speaker 3: our home or in our car. We can draw that
• 12:01
  Speaker 3: line and go okay, I'm justified at this point, because
• 12:04
  Speaker 3: the statutes say I'm.
• 12:06
  Speaker 2: Justified at this point.
• 12:08
  Speaker 3: But in law enforcement that you have to have a clear, obvious, viable,
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: believable threat of great bodily harm or death to the
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: officer or somebody else before you can use deadly force
• 12:22
  Speaker 3: in an authorized manner. I did not see that. I've said,
• 12:26
  Speaker 3: watch that video, bunches of the Times, and I try
• 12:29
  Speaker 3: to give the benefit of the doubt to the law
• 12:30
  Speaker 3: enforcement officers because I've been one. Yeah, I was one
• 12:33
  Speaker 3: for twenty six years, so I'm kind of always gonna
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: give that that way.
• 12:38
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna lean that way.
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give them that benefit of the doubt and go, Okay,
• 12:41
  Speaker 3: what were they possibly thinking? Is there any plausible explanation
• 12:45
  Speaker 3: for this action? And I just don't see it there. Yeah,
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: they had broken a window out and she was climbing
• 12:52
  Speaker 3: through the window, but she's obvious was obviously unarmed. I
• 12:57
  Speaker 3: don't know that anybody there was armed with anything other
• 13:00
  Speaker 3: than stuff they might have picked up or whatever. You
• 13:02
  Speaker 3: didn't have any gunshots other than that one.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: Additionally, he is not heard to have issued any warning
• 13:10
  Speaker 1: whatsoever verbally saying do not proceed.
• 13:13
  Speaker 2: I will to shoot nothing nothing.
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: Even if it had been justified the shooting itself, you
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: still have to give some form of warning.
• 13:22
  Speaker 3: Don't you. No, not necessarily in law enforcement. If you
• 13:26
  Speaker 3: see something happen, and it has happened at the speed
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: of life. You don't have to say stop or I'll shoot.
• 13:32
  Speaker 3: You can just go ahead and shoot if the justification
• 13:34
  Speaker 3: is there. Justification though, right, you still either way you
• 13:39
  Speaker 3: have to have that. You have to have those circumstances
• 13:42
  Speaker 3: where someone's where you're defending your life or someone else's
• 13:45
  Speaker 3: and that didn't happen there. I don't know how you
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: can justify the action that the officer took based on
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: the actions of the dead.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Girl because she was still a distance away that in
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: a full sprint would be closed in seconds like two,
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: but was climbing through hands, obviously with no weapon of
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: any kind. What's your expectation going to happen here, because
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: as of now he's been promoted.
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean as a civil case
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: can go.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: You know that the burden of proof in a civil
• 14:21
  Speaker 3: case is much less than it is in a criminal case.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: So he may not be held personally liable.
• 14:27
  Speaker 3: I got a feeling that her estate, family, whatever will
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: probably get a big payoff from the government and just
• 14:33
  Speaker 3: they'll be done with it. It may anytime you see
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: cases like this to me that that get put off
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: and put off and put off. That's just delaying the payment.
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: You know, they're trying to stall as long as they
• 14:45
  Speaker 3: can to keep from having to give the money that
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: they know they're going to have to. Probably give.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: A couple more segments left with J. D. Johnson of
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: the Talent Training Group. We've been focusing on stories issues
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: in the news, and we've got another one. This one's
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: just tragedy. I mean, a fifteen year old little girl
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: in Mississippi is going to spend the rest of her
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: life in prison because it would appear she was caught
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: with some vaping gear in her drawer and her mom
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: was confronting her about it, and so she whether it
• 15:28
  Speaker 1: was a gun that was at home or not, I
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: don't know, but she was seen on video hiding the
• 15:33
  Speaker 1: gun behind her back, then going to her mom's room
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: and shooting her multiple times and killing her. Texting her
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: stepfather getting him to come home in response to a
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: text from the now dead wife, and she tried to
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: ambush him, shot him in the shoulder, wrestled to the ground,
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: he got the gun, and so she was caught and
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: tried and convicted. And this might come across as a
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: quasi parenting advice segment, but jad secret life gets uncovered.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: Is there anything that you're thinking through this that might
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: have changed that outcome? At what point does a parent
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: say I could be in danger here with this child.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to say.
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: Not being there in the house and knowing what the
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: parents knew and knowing knowing what all was going on
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: is really hard to say, you know.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: I mean, the one thing I will say is if
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: you have a if you have a child.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: That's unruly, that doesn't doesn't respect you as a parent,
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: that you're not involved in their life as a parent,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: they're not you know whatever else. You certainly don't need
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: to leave guns unstored, unsecurely stored in the house. You
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: need to know your kids and know whether or not
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: they're prone to do things like that or stupid things.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: It's just, you know, it's it's I think in today's world,
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: we're also busy with our face stuck in a cell
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: phone or a in a TV screen or a computer
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: screen sometimes that it's it's easy to not be involved
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: in your kids' lives, you know, it's it's it's it's
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: almost a habitual thing. The kids are, you know, everybody's
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: got their face stuck in a phone sometime, and uh,
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: you know, we have to we have to pay attention
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: to our kids, and any kind of signal that we're
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: you know, something's not right, the cues, Yeah, the cues
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: and pick up on what's going on in their life.
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: And and it's you know, it's it's a tragedy either way.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: But if she went outside the home and acquired a
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: firearm and came back, then you've got something different. You've
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: got you've you know, you've got a premeditation there to
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: do that, and that's that may may not be something
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: that a parent can fix.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, clearly there was premeditation in that she immediately
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: texted the stepfather. She had something in her head worked out, Yeah, exactly.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: So it's not like she got mad at her mom
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: and went and got a gun out of the out
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: of the parents closet and come back and.
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: It was way more, way more involved than that.
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, tell me this what because I know of circumstances
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: where a minor child is just not willing to live
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: under the rules of a home. We're not talking about
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: abusive parents. We're talking about reasonable restrictions and guidance. What's
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: a parent to do when the child is a minor,
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: you can't put them out on the street.
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of times it's almost too late
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: to do anything by the time they get to be
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: fifteen or sixteen years old, if you don't establish and
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: enforce those rules when they're young, when they're much younger
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: than that. I think that that's the mistake that parents
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: make is they want to be, you know, all fun
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: and games when the kid's little, and then all of
• 18:41
  Speaker 3: a sudden, they turn fifteen or sixteen years old and
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: the kid's never been disciplined for anything before. There's no
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: pattern of there's no repeatable pattern of discipline along the way,
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: or the discipline is not metered properly along the way.
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: You know, you can't be too harsh on it. It's
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: a balance, and being a parent is the toughest job
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: on the planet.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: It's hard, it is.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: And I've got great kids and it's been not so
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: tough for me, but I see, you know, friends that,
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: but it's still the toughest job on the planet. That
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: we have to do absolutely right in those formative years
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: with kids, and you know, it's just sometimes bad things happen,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: and that's one of those situations.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: Where it's just a tragedy.
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: There's no other way around it.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Final segment here, J D. Johnson. Remember Talent Outdoors on Saturdays,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and don't forget the Talent Training Group, Talentrange dot Com
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: and Great Training. Great Range by the way, that that's
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: where you go shoot, because that's you're not going to
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: be in front of a bunch of people where it
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: potentially gets kind of unsafe because you don't know what
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: you're around. Individual shooting base anything more. I want to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: promote there because you guys have a great range. No,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: we're good. That's good.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: I do have a I do have a thing on
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: the skeet fields, probably gonna be down. Hopefully I'll have
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: it back up and run in by neck by this weekend.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: But we're got flood the rivers out of the banks
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: and I'm on the property out there for the skeet field,
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: so that one facilities down. Everything else is just fine.
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Sporting clays. The rest of the range is good.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: But what's the difference between skeet and sporting clays.
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: Well, you basically have three different shooting sports involving clay targets,
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: shooting moving clay targets. You have skeet that is a
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: sanctioned measured skeet is the same everywhere. There's different games
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: you can play with skeet, but skeet is the same
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: as an Olympic sport.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: What'd you and I do that day? I don't know.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: We choose keeter, We shoot sporting clays.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Well that's I don't know. But you laughed at me
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: a lot.
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, I'll do that with my friends.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, reason too. Now, the idea of Preston is to
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: shoot the target.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, the skeet fields or you have.
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: You have two machines high house, low house, you rotate
• 20:50
  Speaker 3: around a semicircle and shoot from different positions. Trap is
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: also you got five different positions, but the birds always
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: going away from you.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we do.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's trap. Okay, that's my least favorite.
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: Uh, I can see why. As bad as I was.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Trap's kind of boring to me. Okay, Sporting clays is
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: my favorite. That is golf with a shotgun, so you
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: can I'd probably be better at that. Maybe, I don't know.
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: It's much harder forget it that sporting claye is a
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: you got twelve different or depend on where you're at.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: It's all different. It's always different. Can we even change
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: the course up pretty regularly on the sporting clays?
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: So all right, all right, a lot of fun.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Let's go back to this final you know story we
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: were talking about and what are the best ways to
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: secure a firearm? That makes sense because so many people
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: are advocating have your firearm without any ammunition in it,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: and that's just stupid to me.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: It's like having a guard dog that doesn't have any teeth.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Right, So.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: You have to once again, for kids, you have to
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: know your kids. You have to take the mystery away
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: from the firearm with your kids.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Start teaching them. If you're going I have firearms in
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: the house, start teaching.
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Your kids at an early age the safety and the
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: danger of firearms if they're not handled properly.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: What's the youngest you'll allow a child with a parent
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: at talent?
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: I let the parents make that decision because they know
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: their children better. My kids all started around five or
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: six years old, very controlled environment guns designed four kids
• 22:27
  Speaker 3: basically that to learn with that. Don't shoot multiple rounds
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: you know, you know that, don't have a bunch of
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: a single shot basically something or just loading one round
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: at a time in a gun, so that once that
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: rounds fired, the gun safe and again.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: But starting with like a BB gun or a Pelican
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: twenty two or something like that.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: Exactly exactly. There's a company, a couple of different companies
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: that make them. They make little junior single shot rifles. Crickets.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: Savage makes one. I can't remember what it's called, but anyway,
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: there's some some they're tiny. They're two small for you
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: and I to even shoot, right. I mean, they're so small,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: and I started the kids on that so they have
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: that respect and understanding. The biggest thing is if if
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: you're not using the gun or getting ready to use
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: a gun, it's not part of your home defense plan,
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: get a safe, lock it up. You know, when the
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: when our kids were young, we tended to put guns
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: in places where they couldn't see them, They couldn't climb
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: to them, couldn't get to them.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:27
  Speaker 3: Uh, you know, my wife and I both been in
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: law enforcement. There's always guns around the house because we're
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: not gonna you know, we we always had a gun belt,
• 23:36
  Speaker 3: a duty belt, and my kids kids when they're young,
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: can't necessarily even operate the security holsters to get the
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: gun out of the holster. But as they grow older
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: you need to really stay on top of them. Now,
• 23:47
  Speaker 3: we behave very differently at our home. If if our
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: girls are having our kids having friends over, we have
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: to we have to behave very differently and make sure
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: everything's put away, locked up, unloaded, blah blah blah. And
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: then every you know, kids are gone and go from
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: there everything goes back. So all right, thanks for the time,
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: enjoy it. J D.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: Johnson with US Talent Training Group. Remember Talent Outdoors weekend
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Saturday on this fine radio station. Yes, even in Panama City.