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The Truth About Unexplained Infertility with Nick Dorsey | The Holistic Pharmacy Podcast · Pharmacy Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: You are listening to the Pharmacy Podcast Network.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the Holistic Pharmacy Podcast. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Marina books Of and I'm a functional medicine pharmacist in
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  Speaker 2: New York. I'm also a clinical herbalist and an integrative
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  Speaker 2: health coach specializing in mindfulness and empowerment.
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  Speaker 3: I'm on a mission to transform.
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  Speaker 2: The way we approach healthcare by bridging the wisdom of
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  Speaker 2: traditional medicine with modern practice, and in this podcast, I
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  Speaker 2: will be highlighting guests who do just that. I'm constantly
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  Speaker 2: inspired by them and I know you will be as well.
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  Speaker 4: Hello.
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  Speaker 5: Hello, oh, welcome back to the Holistic Pharmacy Podcast.
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  Speaker 3: I have another special guest, as I always do.
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  Speaker 5: His name is Nick Dorsey, FD ANDP Practitioner, which is
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  Speaker 5: a systems based fertility and health education. He's also a
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  Speaker 5: biochemist and former chemistry educator who helps couples understand why
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  Speaker 5: fertility shuts down even when labs look normal and they're
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  Speaker 5: doing all the right things. With a master's in biochemistry
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  Speaker 5: and over a decade teaching chemistry, physics, and environmental science,
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  Speaker 5: he translates complex biology into a clear understanding of how
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  Speaker 5: the body makes decisions. The body isn't broken, it's adapting
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  Speaker 5: intelligently to depletion, toxicity, and chronic stress and symptoms like inflammation, fatigue, anxiety,
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  Speaker 5: gut dysfunction, and unexplained in fertility, which are all protective
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  Speaker 5: signals from a system in survival mode.
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  Speaker 3: So, without further ado, Nick, welcome to the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you so so much for having me, doctor Marina,
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  Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm really excited to talk about so many
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  Speaker 1: different things.
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  Speaker 6: And yeah, we can just dive right in too.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, it's kind of a strange story about how
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  Speaker 1: I got to this, this four pillars framework that I
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  Speaker 1: describe it not only as the framework that I use
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  Speaker 1: to help my clients become pregnant naturally, but it's also
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  Speaker 1: a framework for understanding nature at its most foundational levels.
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  Speaker 1: And these are like the foundational systems that started life
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  Speaker 1: in the first place. So as we return and align
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  Speaker 1: back to these systems and the correct inputs that they need,
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  Speaker 1: then the body takes care of itself. And as like
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  Speaker 1: I said, as we align, and so this understanding came
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  Speaker 1: to me. It felt like it was kind of revealed
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  Speaker 1: to me throughout time where all these different life experiences
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  Speaker 1: like teaching chemistry for ten years, I got to really
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  Speaker 1: understand the periodic table and complex atomic interactions. And then
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  Speaker 1: my master's degree in bio chemistry gave me the skills
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  Speaker 1: and understanding and to go into pub Med and look
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  Speaker 1: at all this primary research and really dive into some
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  Speaker 1: of the details.
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  Speaker 6: And so patterns just started.
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  Speaker 1: To emerge as I kind of dove into the research
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  Speaker 1: more because I was also becoming a.
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  Speaker 6: Parent at that time. We were having our.
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  Speaker 1: First kid and our first baby girl imaging, and so
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  Speaker 1: that really struck something within me of I got to
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  Speaker 1: turn some stuff around, like we were dealing. We've got
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  Speaker 1: some chronic health stuff like metabolic some like strange symptoms
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  Speaker 1: that didn't really have too many answers.
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  Speaker 5: And so.
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  Speaker 1: The more I like the more I became a parent,
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to find out the truth and trying to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what's actually going on. Instead of just listening
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  Speaker 1: to voices, I wanted to really dive into the details.
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  Speaker 1: And so that combination, along with the person who ended
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  Speaker 1: up pushing me into my master's degree, shortly like a
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  Speaker 1: few months after I finished and graduated, he passed away,
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  Speaker 1: this mentor of mine, and it was a deep spiral
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  Speaker 1: into some heavy grief. Honestly, it was a really challenging
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  Speaker 1: really like a few years as he was my next
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  Speaker 1: door neighbor as we talked together. He taught chemistry too.
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  Speaker 1: He was like a wizard with the periodic table. He
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  Speaker 1: just enlightened me so much and created this motivation to
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  Speaker 1: learn more. And so in that grief period, it was
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  Speaker 1: a lot of learning. Like as my coping mechanism, I
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  Speaker 1: kind of used PubMed, like I dove into the research
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  Speaker 1: even more to find what other kind of truth and
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  Speaker 1: like how can we look at each of these patterns,
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  Speaker 1: like all these research articles are saying these common things
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  Speaker 1: and kind of putting it all together over time, and
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  Speaker 1: so now here we are today in hindsight, I can
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  Speaker 1: see how everything worked in its purpose for my life
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  Speaker 1: and our family's life today.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much for sharing.
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  Speaker 5: And those of you who are watching the video version,
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  Speaker 5: I hope you appreciate that beautiful background that you have,
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  Speaker 5: Nick with a free aatic table and some beautiful formulas
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  Speaker 5: and some greenery over there. So you're definitely shining in
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  Speaker 5: your element and everything in your bio, which the full
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  Speaker 5: version is going to be in the show notes.
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  Speaker 3: You know, just resonates so much for me.
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  Speaker 5: About what you studied, why you chose to study it,
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  Speaker 5: and what you shared about your personal story. I think
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  Speaker 5: people in the audience and myself are no strangers to
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  Speaker 5: somebody in our life or ourselves going through something or
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  Speaker 5: an illness or a diagnosis or a death that is
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  Speaker 5: sort of a wake up call that allows us to
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  Speaker 5: then seek answers of why this happened and how to
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  Speaker 5: prevent it from progressing or other people getting affected. And
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  Speaker 5: you know, for me, it was definitely my own health
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  Speaker 5: journey as well to understand that there is so much
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  Speaker 5: more to individual health and how we're interconnected to each
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  Speaker 5: other and to the environment and planetary health. And you know,
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  Speaker 5: I think we can't really look at one thing without
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  Speaker 5: looking at other things.
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  Speaker 4: So I'm curious in your research, what stood out to
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  Speaker 4: you as something that maybe wasn't covered in your general
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  Speaker 4: health education and what you're really focusing on now.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, great question.
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  Speaker 1: And so the biggest thing that I saw when looking
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  Speaker 1: at the research were the patterns of these four pillars
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  Speaker 1: just kept popping up in every research article that was like, Hey,
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  Speaker 1: we really understand the importance or we're starting to understand
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  Speaker 1: the importance of the microbiome, so we need to do
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  Speaker 1: more research, and so there was all this at the
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  Speaker 1: end of a lot of these articles, there would be
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  Speaker 1: a more push for more research into these areas, and
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  Speaker 1: it kept coming down to these four areas, and especially
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  Speaker 1: the minerals aspect and heavy metal and ionic mimicry.
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  Speaker 6: And some of those topics we can get into.
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  Speaker 1: That were that are not common knowledge, Like most people
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  Speaker 1: are kind of starting to understand the microbiome over the
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  Speaker 1: last ten fifteen ish years, and then now a lot
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  Speaker 1: of people are getting into the mitochondria, which is another
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  Speaker 1: one of the pillars, and then and then going down
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  Speaker 1: into the minerals, the atoms and molecules that make up
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  Speaker 1: all this physical stuff around us. That that's one of
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  Speaker 1: my most important layers that we really focus on from
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  Speaker 1: a practical standpoint as well as like a data standpoint, and.
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  Speaker 6: Then even deeper when like.
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  Speaker 1: I talked quantum mechanics for ten years too a part
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  Speaker 1: of our curriculum, So diving into even what those atoms
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  Speaker 1: and molecules.
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  Speaker 6: Are made out of and realizing.
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  Speaker 1: The vibrational energy behind everything and how that affects our
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  Speaker 1: psychology and biology, like how everything is truly all connected,
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  Speaker 1: like the four Pillars explains, it's it was not my thing.
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  Speaker 1: It was just revealed to me through all the research,
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  Speaker 1: and so I'm excited to dive into any of the
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  Speaker 1: details in any of the four pillars.
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  Speaker 6: But it's all connected. That's the best part.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful, Thank you so much. I'm really excited to
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  Speaker 3: dive deeper for sure. So could you tell us how.
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  Speaker 5: This made a difference in your own personal life, the
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  Speaker 5: way that you approach health, and how you're now also
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  Speaker 5: helping your clients with this model.
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  Speaker 1: It is so exciting to talk about all of the
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  Speaker 1: changes that has happened that have happened, like in my
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  Speaker 1: life since understanding. Really it comes down to a desire
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  Speaker 1: to understand how nature actually works. And because then when
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  Speaker 1: we know how it works, rather than just being like
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  Speaker 1: told how it works, it kind of has to come
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  Speaker 1: from within and so then we can start to align
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  Speaker 1: ourselves more with how nature actually works. And so then
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  Speaker 1: my wife and I we made a lot of different decisions.
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  Speaker 1: We started making changes, like where our food comes from.
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  Speaker 1: We mostly buy food like from our friends. We have
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  Speaker 1: a friend that's a biodynamic farmer. We have these amish
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  Speaker 1: friends that deliver here to Cincinnati.
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  Speaker 6: That's format and.
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  Speaker 1: They're like, when it comes to like alignment, when with
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  Speaker 1: these daily choices, it's how close are we to nature?
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  Speaker 1: And so that's kind of like the goal of like,
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  Speaker 1: and it's not trying to cause stress when we don't
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  Speaker 1: make the decisions that we think we should, because that
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  Speaker 1: happens all the time, but to constantly just kind of
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  Speaker 1: push ourselves into more and more alignment with creation and
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  Speaker 1: how it works, and then knowing what our bodies actually
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  Speaker 1: need in order to function properly and do the jobs
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  Speaker 1: that they need to do. And so the more I
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  Speaker 1: realized what we needed for nourishment, for general health as
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  Speaker 1: well as taking care of very specific things, it became
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  Speaker 1: very like I became very aware of how universal that
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  Speaker 1: everybody needs to learn about this. So then when I
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  Speaker 1: started bringing some of this knowledge and our my chemistry classes,
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  Speaker 1: like guys we had we because our understanding, we made
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  Speaker 1: choices to have a home birth for both of our kids.
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  Speaker 1: We've got a third on the way here in just
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks actually, and so all these births
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  Speaker 1: that like at home are truly absolutely incredible.
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  Speaker 6: I've got our first.
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  Speaker 1: One is actually on my Instagram page, and we are
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  Speaker 1: in the safety and comfort of our home. My wife
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  Speaker 1: has had nourishing meals throughout her whole pregnancy, knowing exactly
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  Speaker 1: what kind of nutrients that we really need and energy
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  Speaker 1: and focusing on light and breath and meditation.
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  Speaker 6: So there's all these like very holistic things that we're.
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  Speaker 1: Doing every single day that do not feel like another
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  Speaker 1: thing on the to do list. It's how we want
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  Speaker 1: to live. So then once we understand, then it can
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  Speaker 1: come from within. And me being an educator, I know,
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  Speaker 1: I truly believe that education is power, and that's the
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  Speaker 1: power that has shown up with me as becoming like
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  Speaker 1: a father that's choosing to lead us in the health
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  Speaker 1: in this health space, and my wife has been doing
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  Speaker 1: this work alongside of me too, So we can see
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  Speaker 1: that we're kind of impacting and changing some of our
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  Speaker 1: generational paths that if we were on autopilot and just
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  Speaker 1: letting life happen, that we would make a lot of
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  Speaker 1: different choices. But we're so thankful for this, for these
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  Speaker 1: opportunities to make these kind of choices and to to
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  Speaker 1: give our children the best possible life that we can
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  Speaker 1: give them.
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  Speaker 6: And so that's the gift that we want to pass down.
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  Speaker 6: It's for our kids.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful.
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  Speaker 5: I often think about future generations, whether or not people
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  Speaker 5: choose to have kids or not, whether they are experiencing
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  Speaker 5: their own fertility journey. But what is the legacy that
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  Speaker 5: we're leaving behind and what kind of planet, what kind
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  Speaker 5: of systems and structure, what kind of beliefs, What are
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  Speaker 5: we leaving behind for the future generation. And it's to
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  Speaker 5: me like a consumerism model versus like a stewardship model, right,
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  Speaker 5: and how we care for again each other and the
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  Speaker 5: earth is very much a part of that. And for
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  Speaker 5: myself and my family, I chose to have a birth
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  Speaker 5: in a birthing center, which is very similar to home birth.
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  Speaker 3: So I did that with both of my children.
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  Speaker 5: And congratulations, you're third one. Maybe here when this podcast airs,
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  Speaker 5: so that's exciting.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, I would love to chat.
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  Speaker 5: About how people are always choosing, They're always making choices,
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  Speaker 5: they're always prioritizing, whether or not they're aware of it.
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  Speaker 5: And so if somebody feels like, wow, I'm not in
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  Speaker 5: a position, I'm not in the appropriate environment. Maybe I'm
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  Speaker 5: in a busy city, maybe I have like a stressful job,
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  Speaker 5: Like how can they start to make these everyday decisions
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  Speaker 5: that support their health and their fertility.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a few things that we need to be
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  Speaker 6: doing every.
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  Speaker 1: Single day, and like I said, like not as like
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  Speaker 1: a chore, but because these are going to be the
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  Speaker 1: things that we do and prioritize for the rest of
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  Speaker 1: our lives because we know how important and valuable they
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  Speaker 1: are to us. So there's I mean a lot of
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  Speaker 1: them are like free and available to us very readily,
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  Speaker 1: like breath work and sunlight, and some of these seemingly
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  Speaker 1: like almost two simple kind of things, but we always
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  Speaker 1: need to be coming back to the basics because the
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  Speaker 1: breath is one of the manual controls that we have
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  Speaker 1: over our nervous system in specific moments, and being able
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  Speaker 1: to move our body how it needs to be able
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  Speaker 1: to process information, and so knowing in the moment what
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  Speaker 1: to do is really where the value of understanding how
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  Speaker 1: this all works. And there's specific practices that we kind
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  Speaker 1: of do for each pillar to optimize each of them.
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  Speaker 1: Like for the microbiome, we're really examining our food choices.
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  Speaker 1: Exactly where does our food come from, starting with the
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  Speaker 1: soil and all the way through production and storage and cooking,
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  Speaker 1: and and really looking at all of the controllable aspects
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  Speaker 1: within that and where can we source things. And then
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  Speaker 1: and then being outside with your microbiome, working with your hands,
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  Speaker 1: being in the garden, like exposing two other microbiomes around us,
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  Speaker 1: and then being outside and then also and then moving
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  Speaker 1: into the next builder of the very practical kind of
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  Speaker 1: stuff with mitochondria, also with food, like they process every
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  Speaker 1: single nutrient that we ingest to some degree. And then
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  Speaker 1: they're also processing light in the terms in terms of
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  Speaker 1: like electromagnetic frequencies and it's and then when we start
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  Speaker 1: to learn how the mitochondria they're not just like these
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  Speaker 1: lifeless energy factories. They're actually bacteria that are making intelligent
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  Speaker 1: decisions for the cell.
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  Speaker 6: And it's it's.
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  Speaker 1: Molecular environment based on resources, whether we're in abundance or
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  Speaker 1: scarcity or depletion or toxicity. And so they're always analyzing
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  Speaker 1: trying to figure out what is the best course of action,
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  Speaker 1: do we need to conserve resources or are we able
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  Speaker 1: to spend the resources.
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  Speaker 6: And then so making sure that we have adequate.
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  Speaker 1: Light, like good high quality light and dimming the lights
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  Speaker 1: at night, like there's all these yeah, all these practical
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  Speaker 1: solutions for each pillar. And then when we get to
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  Speaker 1: the minerals aspect, we use the the handful of tests
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  Speaker 1: that are out there, but the HTMA the hair test
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  Speaker 1: is maybe my favorite test because of what we're looking
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  Speaker 1: at in the entire mineral system. We're not just trying
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  Speaker 1: to say like, oh, you need a magnesium supplement, or
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  Speaker 1: here's a or here's a zinc supplement. We're not just
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  Speaker 1: like taking it like that. It's we're trying to balance
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  Speaker 1: all of the minerals all at once and then for
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  Speaker 1: the purpose of to some degree eliminating.
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  Speaker 6: The heavy metals which we can get into.
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  Speaker 1: That stuf flater and then the quantum nervous system that
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  Speaker 1: goes even deeper.
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  Speaker 6: So that's where we're really examining.
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  Speaker 1: What I love, at least a part of the work
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  Speaker 1: that I do with myself is examining how our childhood patterns,
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  Speaker 1: stress patterns and trauma patterns formed the foundation of our
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  Speaker 1: nervous system in flight or fight or freeze systems, roles
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  Speaker 1: like that and reactions so that we can have to
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  Speaker 1: everyday kind of stressor so we first like try to
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  Speaker 1: figure out what is the actual status of the body,
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  Speaker 1: what prioritize and that each pillar kind of tells us what.
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  Speaker 6: To prioritize in our lives.
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  Speaker 1: So it becomes very practical as well as, like I said,
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  Speaker 1: explaining the framework of the.
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  Speaker 6: Foundation of nature. Yeah, yeah, some great stuff.
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  Speaker 1: I love it. Like, like I said, it doesn't feel
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  Speaker 1: like a chore. It's wonderful waking up and being able
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  Speaker 1: to breathe in the morning and the sunlight hitting our skin,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's so simple, but it is so healing and
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  Speaker 1: life giving. But there's it's really complex, and so that's
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  Speaker 1: where in my practice we look at all of these factors.
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  Speaker 1: It's not just about the labs, but they're important, but
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  Speaker 1: it's about conversations that I have with my clients and
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  Speaker 1: how their relationship dynamics are impacting each other, and making
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  Speaker 1: sure that we are addressing actually all of these root
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  Speaker 1: causes in each pillar so that we're not passing these
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  Speaker 1: on to our kids too and then having to deal
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  Speaker 1: with these things for the rest.
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  Speaker 6: Of our lives.
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  Speaker 1: So there's like a big picture at play that I
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  Speaker 1: want that all of our clients like we're on the
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  Speaker 1: same goal. We're working on the same goals. But it's exciting,
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I have so many questions for you as I
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  Speaker 5: hear you speak on different things, and you know, some
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  Speaker 5: of it is about like busting some myths out there
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  Speaker 5: about fertility, and some of it is about some of
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  Speaker 5: the practicalities.
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  Speaker 3: So let's start maybe with some myth busting. You know,
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  Speaker 3: there's like.
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  Speaker 5: Talk about how aging affects our egg quality and fertility,
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  Speaker 5: and then there's also talk about detoxification, you know, because
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  Speaker 5: you mentioned that the environment does have toxins and pollution
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  Speaker 5: and like how can we control for that while we
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  Speaker 5: also make sure to replenish somebody's nutrient status at the
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  Speaker 5: same time. So maybe if you could address that and
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  Speaker 5: how that plays a role in fertility.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Of misconceptions that are taking place, like in the fertility
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  Speaker 1: space especially, and when it comes to there's these all
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  Speaker 1: these like buzzwords that are on social media that people
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  Speaker 1: think that they have an understanding, but we haven't really
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  Speaker 1: reevaluated with new research and so so that's what I
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  Speaker 1: feel like is my goal is to take all of
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  Speaker 1: the stuff that people are talking about and try to
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  Speaker 1: put it into a digestible form. And in the fertility space,
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  Speaker 1: we're so focused on and you know, some people might disagree,
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  Speaker 1: and that's okay. But we're so focused on hormones, these
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  Speaker 1: small carbon based chemical signaling molecules, like we really need
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  Speaker 1: to evaluate the truth of what these things are reckon
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  Speaker 1: and be able to ask ourselves, is that what we
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  Speaker 1: should be focusing on, or is there something that's more
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: upstream or is there something behind that or underneath it,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: And so kind of always seeking out deeper answers, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: then those answers lead to more questions and you just
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: kind of follow that scientific method, like just curiously and honestly.
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: And so the more that we uncover, it tells us
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: like what we need to address in what priority to
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: And so as we do some of this work, that's
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: what's kind of tough is as we start to understand
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: this work, we start to realize how some of the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: messages we've been receiving are just slightly off. So my
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: focus is not on what the message is because there's inflammation, scarcity, fear, shame,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: and you know, all these similar messages throughout all the
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: four pillars that I consider the root causes. But then
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: as we as we examine each of the like those things,
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: a lot of times they're connected in a lot of
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: a lot of these different ways. So as these childhood
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: stress patterns deplete our minerals, and then minerals are replaced
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: by heavy metals, and then the and then the cellular environment,
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: the internal cellular environment is not working properly, enzymes are
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: distorted and then so then that's the that creates cellular
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: inflammation from the inside of the cell outward. But we're
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: not doing a whole lot of testing to figure out
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: what is going on inside of the cell. We're just saying, hey,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: there's inflammation. We got to do something about it. And
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, what's going what's causing the inflammation? And
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: and so I talk about the heavy metal substitution theory,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: and so then the inflammation, especially with endometriosis in the
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: fertility space where it costs a lot to get diagnosed
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: because it's like a procedure you have to get done
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: and then surgery. But it's especially in that kind of thing,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: the inflammation it's not something to get rid of. It
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: is a protective measure that your body is using resources
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: in that specific area because we've got some issues that
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: it's taking care of. The Inflammation is an answer to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: what's happening. So when we start to look at the
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: foundation of what's going on to cause that, and we
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: start to restore it from the ground up. Then we
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: can start to see a lot of changes in the
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: gut environment, in our mood and our sleep, in all
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: of these quality of life metrics. Because I'm not focused
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: on raising up numbers so heavily focused on data that
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: we're missing out on is this person actually feeling better
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and actually getting better and actually going through a healing process,
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: Like that's the stuff that actually matters. The data helps,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: but we're not you know, it's like putting the data
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: in the right spot too.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: So there's all like this's yeah, there's so much like holistic.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: Approaches that I'm trying to do to really help people
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: have babies, Like that's one of the number one problems
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: that I just kept hearing. And I'm such a passionate
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: father after the truth that i want to help other
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: families do the same thing. And so it's all connected
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: and to have grace for ourselves and patients as our
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: healing journey unfolds, not with not with like force. When
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to like force healing, We're trying to create
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: the space to allow healing so then one of my
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: favorite sayings that I love is when we give the
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: body exactly what it needs, it can let go of
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: what it doesn't need.
• 23:02
  Speaker 6: And then it can create space to form something.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Now, so we need to first know exactly what the
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: body needs first, So that's part of the first steps
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: in our six month program.
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: Actually is doing that.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: All?
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: That answers another one of my questions, which is like
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: how long does it typically take to restore somebody's health status?
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: Because what you're saying is that somebody, well the person
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: who's going to be birthing plus the partner, right, they're
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: going to have the egg and the sperm me to
• 23:35
  Speaker 5: make an embryo, and we need both of those people
• 23:37
  Speaker 5: to be healthy and only from that place can we
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: hope to create a healthy baby that's going to grow.
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: And then we also want to make sure that we
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: are planning for the birth and the after birth, like
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: what happens?
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: How do we do postpartum care?
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: Like you know, we can't just focus on making a
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: healthy baby when we're not focusing on what's going to
• 23:57
  Speaker 5: lead up to that, and then how will we sustain
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: maintain that.
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: So it sounds like you're teaching.
• 24:02
  Speaker 5: People the tools that they're going to need for themselves
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: and then going forward, which is really amazing. And I
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: wish that everybody knew this information, and I really admire
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: people like yourself who are getting that information out there
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: and educating and having these programs. So I'm curious, what
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: are your thoughts on people who are considering freezing their
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: eggs or like going through IVF, you know, and like,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: what do you wish that they knew?
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want them to know that there is absolutely
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the First thing that I want them to know is
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: that there's absolutely no judgment that goes into any of
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: these decisions that I can look back in hindsight in
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: my life when I've made decisions that at some point
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: maybe I wish I would have changed my mind.
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: Like, there's always new information that we're learning.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: About and we are making We trust ourselves that we
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: are making the best decision we can with the information
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: at hand.
• 24:54
  Speaker 6: And so the main thing that i want to.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: Say, though, is we can still do those kind of
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: things and.
• 25:05
  Speaker 6: Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: And so I've got a little bit of there's concerns
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: that I have for that sort of path. Just to
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: be an honest and informed decision maker and leader of
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: our families to shape.
• 25:19
  Speaker 6: Our the health of our children.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: And so the biggest concern that I've got is that
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: we're just not really addressing some of the foundational things.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: So yeah, like if like might work, and it's incredible
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: when it does, it's it's a miracle when it does,
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: it's unbelievable what we've been able to do. But we
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: still need to address those root causes that kind of
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: created these environmental conditions in the first place, because otherwise,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: like I said, we're going to be passing stuff on
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: to them our depleted minerals and mitochondrial signaling that is
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: inflammatory and you know, it's like a.
• 25:56
  Speaker 6: Reactive oxygen species.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Those are messaging molecules as well, saying hey, we need
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: some help.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: We're kind of losing efficiency. And same thing.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: With like hormones, they're just like signals to tell us
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to where to listen. And so so yeah, so there's
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: just all the I kind of lost my train of
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: thought right there.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: But yeah, so the.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Program too is also focused on the male aspect. So
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of fertility stuff is so focused on the
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: female and then also focused on her hormones. Now the hormones,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: there's something we test, but it's it's with a different lens.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: It's like we're looking at how the system is currently
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: operating rather than trying to hyper focus on fixing those
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: specific things. But then so, yeah, so we're looking at
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: the male as well, which males can often feel like
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: they are that they're just kind of on the sidelines,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: that they're just not a part of the conversation, that
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: they don't really need to do them, and so that
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: there's all these like common misconceptions just everywhere. And then
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: also with the like we might have a fertilized egg,
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: but then the question comes from implantation, like did implantation
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: happen correctly? And and if it doesn't. Sometimes there's this
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: connection to Oftentimes it's connection to the immune system because
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: it's it's a part of the inflammation response, and like
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: everything's truly all connected, like I've said, But when our
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: nervous system has constantly responded to threat over and over
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: and over and over again, especially in childhood, in all
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: these different ways, then it's going to expect different kinds
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of threats later. So then when it has this fertilized
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: egg that is no longer the woman.
• 27:52
  Speaker 6: It is no longer the woman's body anymore.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: It is a it's a new thing and same thing
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: with like sperm, it's a different thing, and so the
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: body has to first recognize that it's different, and then
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: is it not a threat or is it? And so
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: there's all this decision making that takes place intelligently, because
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: that's how we were designed and the power that we
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: all have within us in all of nature, and how
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it's different, how nature is different than a machine. Is
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: this intelligence and so interpreting everything about our resources and
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: safety and energy, about our environment and internal environment and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: external and childhood and even like when your mother was born,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: you know, she had all of the eggs inside of
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: her already before she was even born, so you were
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: there to some degree. So there's so much complexity all around,
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: and so it helps to have a person that can
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: see that how all these different dots are connected, how
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: your story and your environment and your biochemistry are all
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: united and telling us. And it tells us exactly where
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: to start and exactly what to do. And I tell people,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: by the end of six months, if we are not
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: naturally pregnant, then we do know exactly what's improving We
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: do a lot of tracking as well, tracking quality of life,
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: so we know, hey, our sleep is getting much better,
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Like that's incredible. We got all these winds to celebrate
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: and then changes that we made, so it asks a
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: good amount.
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: You know, we meet weekly and.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: There's times where we dive into the data and the
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: personalized adjustments for your protocols.
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: Everything's personalized.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And then and then environmental cleanup looking at toxicity of
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: products like endocrine disruptors, which are chemical carbon based chemicals
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: that are mimicking our hormones because they're they're like slightly
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: they're like similar but in slightly different ways and kind
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: of fit into similar spots and so they just kind
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of interrupt the messaging and so that's why they're called
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: endocrine disruptors. And the the carbon based signaling molecules are
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: just interfering with each other.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Similar thing with like the heavy.
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Metals and the minerals, they're interfering with each other.
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: So yeah, there's always a lot to it.
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that was really helpful and the perspective that everything
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: is interconnected, and I love how you are mentioning that
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: this is like the signals that we're measuring, the metrics
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: that we actually have with the hormones and.
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: With the inflammation.
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: All of the things that modern science is actually kind
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: of measuring and tracking and telling us what's going on.
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: They're an intermediary, right, They're not actually what the root causes.
• 30:49
  Speaker 5: We have to keep digging deeper, and we can't just
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: fight the inflammation and like fight all these things and
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: give the right remedy just to match, you know, like
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: this signal and turn off that. And we really have
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: to figure out why the body is doing that, because
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: the body is intelligent. It's not just doing that for
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: fun or to make your life a living hell. You know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: it's trying to actually always protect you and your life
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: and prioritize that in every given moment, like what's going
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: to be the least damaging and the least amount of
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: harm in the moment, That's what it's going to be
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: focusing on. And when you're trying to make a baby,
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: you have to look at the long term plan and
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: you have to figure out how do we make health,
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: How do we create health, how do we support health
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: for the long term, not just to get pregnant, to
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: also carry the baby to full term, to then be
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: able to care for the baby, to breastfeed the baby
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: hopefully and make other kinds of choices that is going
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: to be supportive for you and your family going forward.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: So yeah, I love that you keep mentioning that, and
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: I would love to also share with the listeners that
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: may be aware already and from this conversation that there's
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: upstream factors going on, that there's these environmental factors that
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: their food has to be of high quality, that they
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: have to support the mitochondria and the microbiome and all
• 32:08
  Speaker 5: the things we've been mentioning on stress and sleep and light.
• 32:12
  Speaker 5: And so how do we practically start making these shifts
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: in our lives without like uprooting and like thinking that
• 32:19
  Speaker 5: we have to completely like just go live in you know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: completely different environment and I don't know, maybe just like
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: go home steadying when we're in a city, Like is
• 32:29
  Speaker 5: there a middle ground that people can start choosing for themselves?
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because that can be very overwhelming to
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: get things started, Like we're all hearing about all these
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: things that we have to do and where to shop
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: and get all these different things, and yeah, it's very overwhelming,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: and then worry about all the toxicity and all these
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: chemicals that we're supposed to be like afraid of and
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: me understanding chemistry, I'm not really that afraid of these chemicals.
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: And that's part of the nervous system healing is is
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: letting go of some of that fear and the and
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: then taking it, I mean, one step at a time.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: Like I said, we're in this for the long haul,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Like these are things that we're going to be doing
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: and prioritizing for the rest of our lives. And so
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: we're playing this long game, so we can take these
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: incremental changes. And so the first things that I have
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: my client do my clients do is recognizing the importance
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: of some of the most basic stuff like sunlight and
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: breathwork and movement and stretching. And I was a wrestler
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: in high school and middle school, and so I want
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: when I look at exercise, I'm looking at the importance
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: of using every single muscle as much as possible and
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: using holds in different ways rather than just trying to
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: crank out reps. And so there's those kind of aspects
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: of trying to align ourselves, Like there are these main
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: overarching questions that can help guide us through every single
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: question we can have about the decisions, and it comes
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: down to how long have humans been doing it?
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: And then how aligned with nature is it.
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: So as we try to figure out those two, like
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: we can ask those two questions for basically anything like
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: where's our food? And so we can start to evaluate
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: what our current way of living is and in that
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: sort of way. And but that takes a lot of
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: work as well, you know, to kind of go through
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: take inventory on all these different things. And so what
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: I tend to focus on it first, like I said,
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: like making sure that we change our relationship with those
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: basic things. But the things that we do every single
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: day I put at the highest quality, highest importance. So like,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: if there are certain like foods that we eat every day,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: let's just pick like one food every single day, how
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: can we really increase the quality of that one food?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: So just start with like what you eat most off,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: and how can we really increase the quality and the
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: source and can we find some farm locally that we
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: can get that from. And because we understand the environment
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: of the cows affects the environment and the nutrition of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: the meat, and the environment of the plants affects the
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: nutrition of the plants. And so yeah, just recognizing at
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: every single meal.
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: Your food came from somewhere.
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So there's this like meditative aspect and gratitude when we
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: approach every single meal that helps us not only align
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: ourselves with where we're at in this current moment and
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: not trying to like do other things, but trying to
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: just like sit and be present with ourselves and receive
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: this energy and nutrition that some plant or animal gave
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: to us. So there are these these regular things that
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: we start right away that are so power powerful. You know,
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: we keep doing those for months, years, decades. We keep
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: doing those practices of getting morning and evening sun, stretching
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: like some in the grass, feeding our microbiome and our
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: mitochondria and our.
• 36:15
  Speaker 6: Minerals like doing it.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: We're kind of addressing all of these systems all at
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: once by doing some of the most basic things. And
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: it's kind of strange how in some of the research
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: that I realized is that the there was a lot
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: of tendency for the research to just come back to
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: what nature has already known and what a lot of
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: traditional cultures have already known.
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: So there's kind of this like strange, like.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: Human we're kind of navigating in this path of science,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: but we're kind of coming back to nature and alignment.
• 36:49
  Speaker 6: And in all these various ways.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: So I help people kind of bring that into their
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: lives and in these ways.
• 36:56
  Speaker 6: But it can be very overwhelming to get started.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: And so that's what I help people too, is like
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: I help try to clarify all of what is necessary,
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: what is I mean truly kind of what's bs out
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: there too, and to help make those decisions. So it's
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: a skill to practice for sure, and so it helps.
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, totally.
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: So can you tell us about any kind of trends
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: that you've noticed, like working with clients, what is maybe
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: the most challenging for them or what has made the
• 37:28
  Speaker 5: most impact out of all of these upstream things that
• 37:31
  Speaker 5: we've been talking about.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the biggest impact comes from the healing of the mind,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I think in a lot of ways, because that's going
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: to affect everything else. That's the foundation, is the quantum
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: side of nature. And so when we recognize the like
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: kind of what I've mentioned throughout is as it impacts
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: the physical structure and communication and function.
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: Of our entire body, are the power of our minded.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: Thoughts and that's some of the easiest stuff to control
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: and to start with is to evaluate our childhood and
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: how it plays a huge role in our physiology today
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: as adults and as parents, and and and then asking
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: ourselves do we want to continue down these paths or
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: do we want to make some changes as we continue
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: to seek the truth.
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: And and so the I tell my.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Clients it can be like when you're in a pool
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: and you're going around around.
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: In a circle.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Let's say multiple people are with you, you build a whirlpool.
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: It's pretty fun, and then all of a sudden you
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: decide to turn around, you go the opposite direction, and
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: the water is still you're kind of going, you know,
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: you're swimming in the opposite direction now, And that can
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: be challenging and there can be a lot of struggle.
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: But I had a client the other day that said
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: it was very power well. He said, I'm no longer
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: seeing my symptoms as problems. And that was a huge shift,
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: because as we think about them as being problems, we're
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: trying to fix them with whatever we think or whatever
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: we're told is going to fix them. But if we
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: allow our symptoms to tell us what our body actually
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: needs and what is what it's telling us, because there's
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: signs there, it's communication to our conscious mind.
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: It's trying to get our attention.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: And so when we can shift that mindset, there's a
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: lot of mindset shifts that have to take place in
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: order for that space of healing, in order for that
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: to grow, Like there are these seeds of mindset that
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: we need to nurture that can allow for that level
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: of healing, that depth of healing to take place. And
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: one of the tools that really helped me when I
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: was exploring that was the was the Enneagram. And so
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I have an explos It's been a long time, but
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: at first when I was starting to, you know, in
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: my late twenties, figuring out like why am I the
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: way that I am?
• 40:07
  Speaker 6: What's going on? And how do I think about my childhood?
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And there were just all these clear connections that the
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: enneagram helps bring to life and help bring to words,
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: and helped me evaluate with honesty and clarity and with
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: more curiosity, like as we look to our past, it's
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: very easy to have like guilt and shame, and especially
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: in the fertility space, like what was it that I
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: did that.
• 40:34
  Speaker 6: I now can't have babies?
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: You know, and all these really tough questions that people
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: struggling are facing with.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: And so to help illuminate the truth.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Of how nature works and those mindset shifts that need
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: to take place so that the body can heal the
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: physical side of things, the particle, the molecule, the cell,
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: and the tissue like it. We're starting from the very
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: very ground basics, and then with the data and the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: personalized protocols, we work on all the other stuff too.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: That's the best part, all of it all at once
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: and going back.
• 41:12
  Speaker 6: To the basics.
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah. I love how you keep bringing it back to
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: us being a mirror of nature and allowing that intelligence
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: to be lived out through our patterns in a better
• 41:25
  Speaker 5: way and more healing way. And so I want to
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: end with this question and take it back to the
• 41:32
  Speaker 5: earlier question about detoxification.
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: There's been some debate right.
• 41:36
  Speaker 5: About like nourishing the body versus like cleansing the body,
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: and there's like the balance between those two is so intricate,
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: So how do you approach that in a safe way?
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's a huge word right now too, as
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: people are trying to figure out, oh, how do I
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: detox because there's all these chemicals that we fear and
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: all these different things, So it kind of you can
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: kind of see how it fits within my framework.
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: But the detox thing is we can do we can
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: when we.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: Take care of the four pillars, we are helping our
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: body detox to its best capability, which is the best
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: kind of detox we can have, is the body's natural
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: ability to detox rather than looking elsewhere to something that
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: we think is going to do the detoxing for us.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: So there's so all those foundational things improve detoxification. And
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: then there are you know, there's a lot of individuals
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: with detox capability, with less than optimal detox capabilities where
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: they need a bit more support, and especially in certain environments,
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: and maybe things can be sometimes things are a bit
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: more acute, sometimes they are a bit more chronic. So
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: we run also another test called the total toxin burden,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: and we can really see the environmental burden that's on,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: like what do we need to address in the environment,
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: and is it acute?
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: Do we need to move out of our house entirely
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: because is full of mold that we can't heal in
• 43:02
  Speaker 6: this environment?
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: And or are there a lot of petrochemicals that we're
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: exposed to and in a variety of ways we don't
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: even know about all the all the petrochemicals that are
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: in our in our lives, and how that like all
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: these different things are impacting us and and so so
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: looking at all of that together, we can really start
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: to see like, how like what kind of changes we
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: really need to make in order to set our children
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: up for the for the best possible life, because I
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: truly believe that their preconception is like the most important
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: phase of almost anyone's life. Because we're seeing the impact,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Like that's what I really want to communicate is is
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: we're not trying to guess with all these things that
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: we're trying to do month after month. It's like, no,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: let's have a very clear and specific plan to really
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: get healthy and then we can transfer all of the
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: stuff that we're learning about for like, it's not just
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: about the six months. We've got a much bigger scope,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Like I said that we're working with the people will
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: take too there to teach their kids and then their
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: children's children. And so because that has been the power
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: within me, that's the experience that I've had with the
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: revelation of this framework and so connecting people to how
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: life started in the first place, and these basic things, and.
• 44:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I love it.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: I keep seeing how important all of this stuff is
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and it's incredible.
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell that you're super passionate.
• 44:44
  Speaker 5: And I hope that you're getting this published and you're
• 44:47
  Speaker 5: getting the word out there.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Hopefully more people will now become aware of thanks to
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: this podcast.
• 44:52
  Speaker 5: And I want to thank you so much for being
• 44:54
  Speaker 5: on And if you have just one more minute, I'd
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: love to do a rapid fire round together.
• 44:58
  Speaker 6: All right, here we go.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: All right, So what's the number one thing somebody can
• 45:03
  Speaker 3: do right now to improve their quality of life?
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Number one thing, I would say, every single evening, every
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: single morning, out in the sun, stretching with deep breaths.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: That is like at least start there those three things.
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: And if you're touching the grass, even better, like get
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: in touch with the Earth's electromagnetic field directly rather than
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: these insulating materials. Yeah, those three things morning afternoon or
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: morning evening, sunlight, stretching and breath work, and you know,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: meditation and gratitude is all kind of in that same
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: vein though, but start there.
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that mindfulness, the intentionality, like you said, the breath
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: just regulating the body and moving through it.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: So very actionable love.
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: That question two is how would you love to spread
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: the awareness around sustainability and how these tools are accessible,
• 46:07
  Speaker 5: Like a lot of these tools that we've been talking
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: about are accessible even.
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: If somebody doesn't have maybe a.
• 46:13
  Speaker 5: Like the ability to get tested or work with somebody,
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: Like what can we start doing sustainably to incorporate some
• 46:20
  Speaker 5: of these things.
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it kind of goes back to what I
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: said was the especially when it comes to like food choices,
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: because people are often thinking about their budget and especially
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: about food and food prices, and that's one of the biggest.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: Concerns right now.
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: And really come back to the idea of if the
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: things that we have consistently, like even on a weekly basis,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: really try to start figuring out where we can source
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: those in a different way, even like like I believe
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: in the power of raw dairy. Like I said, it
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: comes back to those couple of questions of how long
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: have humans been doing it or ingesting it?
• 46:58
  Speaker 6: And how close is it to nature?
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: So when we ask ourselves like those two questions, the
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: highest quality organic milk at the grocery store is it
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: is It's crazy how different that is compared to the
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: same price, which that's what we buy an homage, Like
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: we've compared prices for all these things because we used
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: to be teachers, like we had to work within a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: budget as well, but we saw the value in this
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: long term health and we noticed that, like the prices
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: are just about the same, but one is a living
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: ecosystem and the.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: Other is not.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: They might have a few strings of bacteria add it,
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: if it's a probiotic milk, they but they most likely
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: come from stressed out cows that are not seeing the
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: light of day or blade of grass. And so when
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: we can connect with our environment, then it makes these
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: food choices like it's it's an easy choice where we're
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: not going to live that like we're going to throw
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: off our old self and live into this new self.
• 48:04
  Speaker 6: So even those choices, that.
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: Shift in mindset is a shift in your energy of
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: what we're focusing on and prioritizing.
• 48:13
  Speaker 6: And we're only going to do that more and more.
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: Throughout our life, Like this is an investment that is
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: always going to be worth it. And so but also
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: it helps to have somebody to know about like am
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: I making the right choice? Am I actually is it's
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: actually worth it? So there's a lot of easy choices,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: but then those ones that are kind of tougher just
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: go with the store buck one. So it's tough to navigate.
• 48:37
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so I'm hearing you say intentional investing, like you
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: have to get really intentional because either way it's an investment,
• 48:44
  Speaker 5: you just get to do it with mindfulness. And so
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: last question for you, what's a fun fact or something
• 48:52
  Speaker 5: surprising that people may not know about you, or like
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: a fun hobby that you have.
• 48:56
  Speaker 6: Oh man, Yeah, so I really enjoy the banjo. Actually,
• 49:02
  Speaker 6: I've been playing for like ten years. I just picked
• 49:03
  Speaker 6: it up in college. It was kind of funny because
• 49:05
  Speaker 6: I thought that I was told that it was the
• 49:08
  Speaker 6: easiest instrument to learn.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: And and it's it's been so much fun being able
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: to express myself in that sort of way.
• 49:20
  Speaker 6: And I don't really like play for people. It's really
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: just for me.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: And have that sort of that thing where I can
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: kind of use it as like a recentering, like let's
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: come back into this alignment and into my authenticity of
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: who I want to be. I don't want to be
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: a person that's just one hundred percent of the time focused.
• 49:39
  Speaker 6: On work, work, work, work, work, like our culture tells us.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: It's like, no, we have to make space in order
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: to create and express ourselves. And so the more that
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: we can kind of just create for the sake of creating,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: because we are humans that were designed to create, then
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: it can spill over.
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: In all of our other areas of life as well as.
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: Like right now, my four year old daughter or five
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: year old daughter, she's loving the she's loving painting as
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: like a way of like a centering and nervous system,
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: like calming activity.
• 50:13
  Speaker 6: And so so there's there's so.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: Much too like that hobby that I think a lot
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: of people to just make it more intentional. That's really
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: like to think about all these things, and yeah, there's
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: so much out there, but one thing at a time.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: That's what it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 5: Keeps coming back to intention And I think sometimes we're
• 50:36
  Speaker 5: so focused on productivity because that's what we were taught
• 50:38
  Speaker 5: to focus on, that we have to like validate and
• 50:42
  Speaker 5: have an excuse for why we want to be creative
• 50:45
  Speaker 5: or express ourselves in a specific way. And so I'm
• 50:49
  Speaker 5: so happy that you brought that up. And I'm going
• 50:51
  Speaker 5: to look at your Instagram or your social media and
• 50:54
  Speaker 5: see if you have any banjo in there.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: I'm really curious now.
• 50:56
  Speaker 5: And on that note, please tell our listeners how they
• 50:59
  Speaker 5: can get in.
• 51:00
  Speaker 6: Touch with you.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm at on Instagram. Functional chemistry is my
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: practice and so you know it comes with the space
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: as well as my history kind of putting these two
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: words together, and so yeah, and then my website is
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: functional chemistry dot com and then you can go to
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: my Instagram. It has like everything that's where I'm mostly at.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: So yeah, feel free to message me here to chat
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: about any of this.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Awesome.
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: Well, thank you so much again for being here, sharing
• 51:30
  Speaker 5: your wisdom, your energy, your presence and everything that we
• 51:33
  Speaker 5: talked about. And contact info will be in the show notes.
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: Have a great week ahead.
• 51:38
  Speaker 6: Nick, thank you so much for having me. It's wonderful.
• 51:40
  Speaker 6: It's so much fun.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Holistic Pharmacy Podcast, and I truly hope you enjoyed the show.
• 51:54
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  Speaker 2: at rawfork dot com, take good care and see you soon.