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- 0:08Good afternoon. It's Monday the 17th of November
- 0:102025, just after 1:00. Welcome to UK column News.
- 0:13I'm your host, Mike Robinson, and my host in studio today is
- 0:16Ben Rubin. Welcome to the program, Ben.
- 0:18Thank you, Mike. And joining us by video link are
- 0:20Sandy Adams and Diane Rasmussen. Later in the program, we'll be
- 0:24looking at how impact investing is being used as well government
- 0:28takeover effectively. And we're also going to look at
- 0:31assisted dying and how that's going in Canada, concerns from
- 0:35the climate lobby about disinformation and the latest on
- 0:38the roll out of 5G in the UK. But we're going to begin today
- 0:41with the with the UK Health Security Agency and links
- 0:45between excess deaths and COVID shots.
- 0:48Because on Saturday, the Telegraph put out this article,
- 0:52which many may have seen headlined government withholding
- 0:58data that may link COVID jobs to excess deaths, as if that should
- 1:02come as a surprise to anyone but the UK.
- 1:05The the argue, sorry, the article says.
- 1:08The UK Health Security Agency argued that releasing the data
- 1:11would lead to distress or anger if bereaved relatives, so a link
- 1:18were to be discovered. They said public health
- 1:20officials also argued that publishing the data risked
- 1:23damaging the well-being and mental health of the families
- 1:26and friends of people who died. Now if you remember what the ONS
- 1:30graph looked like at the time, it was clear that there was
- 1:33something pretty nasty going on. So we just put it on screen
- 1:36there. Now this is largely ignored by
- 1:39politicians and journalists everywhere.
- 1:42And now the Telegraph is doing what?
- 1:43Trying to cover their tracks? What's, what's going on here,
- 1:45Ben? I'd say so, yeah.
- 1:48I mean, it's quite amazing that they, they don't want to release
- 1:50it because they want to spare us.
- 1:52You see, it's all about us. It's not about escaping
- 1:54accountability. Indeed, We'll, we'll come up,
- 1:57we'll come on to that in a second.
- 1:59Now the campaign to have the data released has been led by
- 2:03this campaign group US for them who requested the data via
- 2:07Freedom of Information requests. The refusal from the UKHSA said
- 2:11nothing at all about distress or anger when they were answering
- 2:14these Freedom of Information requests, but instead said that
- 2:17publishing the data could quotes could lead to misinformation.
- 2:21It would have an adverse impact on vaccine uptake in in the
- 2:25public. So the question is, which was
- 2:27it? Was it they were worried about
- 2:29the alarm and distress that it might cause the public or was it
- 2:31because they were worried about vaccine uptake?
- 2:34The UK Health Security Agency also claimed that the data
- 2:38released could carry a risk of individuals being identified
- 2:42despite data being anonymised. But hold on, the same people
- 2:46tell us regularly that it's OK to collect bulk data on all of
- 2:50us on on all of us NHS users because it's perfectly safe as
- 2:55the data is anonymised. So I'm not sure they can have it
- 2:57both ways. They're going to try.
- 2:59They're going to try. Well, let's just have a look at
- 3:03this quick quote here from them because they said protecting
- 3:07patient confidentially confidentiality is of critical
- 3:10importance. Releasing this data presented a
- 3:13real possibility that it could be used to identify individuals
- 3:17which could result in significant distress.
- 3:19So that's that was their position.
- 3:22And that's pretty hilarious, bearing in mind they didn't
- 3:26really worry too much about causing distress in 2020 when
- 3:31Spy B, for example, put this in their minutes.
- 3:34A substantial number of people still do not feel sufficiently
- 3:37personally threatened. The perceived level of personal
- 3:40threat needs to be increased amongst those who are
- 3:43complacent, using hard hitting emotional messaging and saying
- 3:47that social disapproval from one's community can play an
- 3:50important role in preventing anti social behaviour or
- 3:54discouraging failure to enact pro social behaviour.
- 3:57So they didn't seem too worried about causing alarm and distress
- 4:01at that point in time. Just including the UKHSA in the
- 4:05whole covidocracy that that existed at that point.
- 4:09It wasn't them specifically they were making those statements,
- 4:11but they were part parcel of this, or at least the precursors
- 4:14were. We're part and parcel of of this
- 4:16entire regime. So it.
- 4:19Was formed in that period as well.
- 4:21It was absolutely Khsa was was an outcrop of that early.
- 4:25Absolutely. Covidocracy.
- 4:27Yes, absolutely. And that security word that they
- 4:30introduced, that's very much aligned to this stuff.
- 4:32Yes. So anyway, I, I think, you know,
- 4:36I applaud the organization help, you know, attempt to get this
- 4:40information out in the public and it's supposed to be public
- 4:43data. And and the campaign group was
- 4:46busy was was pointing out that of course, this data has been
- 4:49shared with pharmaceutical companies already, but it has
- 4:51not yet been shared with the public.
- 4:53So I think it's about time it was.
- 4:56I couldn't agree more. So Ben, let's come on to the
- 5:00issue of impact economy. We've talked about this quite a
- 5:04bit over the last couple of months, but what's what's it
- 5:08doing with respect to government?
- 5:10Was completely transforming government.
- 5:12And actually what you've just talked about is a really good
- 5:14example of the impact economy in action because we don't really
- 5:18have a government anymore. We have a public private
- 5:21marketplace designed to deliver a global agenda handed down by
- 5:25the UN in the World Economic Forum in a manner that is
- 5:27designed to maximize profits to international capital investors.
- 5:32That's what it's all about. I've talked about this a lot
- 5:35previously. I've used this term before woke
- 5:37corporatism, which I'm just going to going to drag back in.
- 5:41Essentially this is the, the, the model of governance that
- 5:44we're currently being subjected to.
- 5:46And it's a combination of intersectional Marxism, which is
- 5:49the, the woke bit, the kind of DEI side of things, combined
- 5:54with the corporatism, the integration of the, the, the
- 5:57market in the state, which is also the definition of fascism.
- 6:01I call this an unholy alliance between power and money.
- 6:04And this to me is basically what Fabianism is.
- 6:08No, the Fabian Society, we've got a Fabian government at the
- 6:11moment. This is Fabianism.
- 6:12It's also stakeholder capitalism, Same thing.
- 6:15It's also the third way like you were talking about last week.
- 6:17And it's also impact investment. That's ultimately what this is
- 6:20all about. And the impact investment market
- 6:24is in the ascendant. And who better to describe that
- 6:27to us than Kieran Boyle, the chair of the Impact Investing
- 6:32Institute? At the moment, governments
- 6:37everywhere are facing a challenge.
- 6:38They're all really ambitious to what they want to achieve, but
- 6:42they're all facing increasingly tight financial environments and
- 6:46impact investing can play a really important role because
- 6:50when governments are tight on finances, they need to find
- 6:53alternate sources of capital, people that they can partner
- 6:56with. But it really matters about who
- 6:59you partner with, what their incentives are.
- 7:01Are they aligned and? What you have in in impact
- 7:04investors is partners who can bring capital, solution focused
- 7:09capital, but focus on the same sorts of things that governments
- 7:13care about, improved social outcomes improved.
- 7:16Environmental Outcomes. He seems like a lovely man,
- 7:21doesn't he? Delightful.
- 7:23A delightful man. What could possibly go wrong?
- 7:26That was Kieran Boyle, the chair of the Impact Investing
- 7:29Institute. And I'm going to say, and I'll
- 7:32be careful so that the lawyers don't get on the phone, that he
- 7:34looks like a SPIV. Are you familiar with the term
- 7:38SPIV? I've certainly are.
- 7:39A dodgy geezer who makes his money in dishonest ways just
- 7:43looks like one. I'm not saying he is a spiv, I'm
- 7:45just saying that he looks like one.
- 7:47It's the little Tash that he's got going on there.
- 7:49Yeah, quite a quite a thing. Anyway.
- 7:51Who is he? Well, we said he's the chair of
- 7:53the Impact Investing Institute, which is actually a public
- 7:56private partnership in itself. So that was set up between the
- 7:59City of London and the Department of Culture, Media and
- 8:02Sport, DCMS. It's backed by BlackRock and
- 8:05bunch of other people like that. Boyle is also the director of
- 8:09the Marshall Institute at the LSE.
- 8:12That's Paul Marshall, the backer of GB News.
- 8:16So if any GB News fans out there or people that you know that
- 8:19like watching GB News, this guy works for Paul Marshall.
- 8:23So this is ultimately Paul Marshall's agenda that we're
- 8:25talking about here. He's also the chief executive of
- 8:28the 100 X Impact Accelerator. We can get that back on screen
- 8:32and have a little look at the logo there, which is embedded
- 8:35into the LSC. Very influential guy this by the
- 8:38way, better bet. He's also a non executive,
- 8:40better society capital, formerly big society capital.
- 8:43He's been there for nearly ten years now.
- 8:46And before that he was a director in the Government
- 8:49Innovation Group from 2008 to 2009.
- 8:52So he straddled Blair, Brown and Cameron working in the Cabinet
- 8:56Office, the Foreign Office, at Downing St. various other
- 8:59places. And during that time he became a
- 9:02young global leader of the World Economic Forum in 2014.
- 9:05I say this guy here, this individual bundles together the
- 9:09collected interest of all of those different groups and those
- 9:12different organisations, and he's right in the mix of this
- 9:15process of transformation of the British state.
- 9:19Now let's hear a little bit more about impact investment from
- 9:22Stephen Merse, who is the chief executive of Better Society
- 9:26Capital. The government should really
- 9:30start to build stronger relationships that impact
- 9:32investors. The government has a really
- 9:34significant mission around turning the UK into a clean
- 9:36energy superpower and bringing communities and local people as
- 9:40into part of that. And we've recently committed
- 9:43significant capital into a new community energy investment
- 9:45facility to support that and build on past successful
- 9:48investments in community energy. You've also got really strong
- 9:52track record of impact investment in the health sphere,
- 9:54which is another one of the government's key missions, both
- 9:56looking at prevention through community based initiatives such
- 9:59as the very successful Thrive initiative in North East
- 10:02Lincolnshire that helps people with long term conditions stay
- 10:04out of hospital and and succeed in their lives without so much
- 10:07health intervention. Yeah.
- 10:10So that's Stephen Mirrors from Better Society Capital, the
- 10:15chief executive, you know, say of Better Society Capital, who
- 10:18absolutely reeks of civil service.
- 10:20That guy. It was in the civil service for
- 10:24about 20 years before heading over to Better Society Capital,
- 10:26which is basically the extension of the civil service.
- 10:28It was spun out of Cabinet Office by Cameron back in 2012,
- 10:31and it was the precursor to the impact investment marketplace
- 10:35that we're talking about today. All of this completely hand in
- 10:38glove with the city. So those two videos I just
- 10:41showed came from a short series that came out earlier this year
- 10:45from the City of London. They're presenting themselves as
- 10:48the global city. They want to help deliver
- 10:51government using impact LED venture capital and private
- 10:55equity so that they can make loads of money.
- 10:58And they want to do this internationally importantly, so
- 11:01that the UK is a test case for this stuff.
- 11:03We talked about this quite a bit recently.
- 11:05They're, they're trying, they're experimenting here, they're
- 11:08building out the models for how they're going to deploy this
- 11:10elsewhere and then they want to export that internationally.
- 11:12And they're talking about this being a £1.9 trillion a year
- 11:17global marketplace. That's ultimately what the city
- 11:22and these investors are sniffing around and that's ultimately
- 11:24what our government is becoming. It's what it's being set up to
- 11:29enable and these organisations, we talked about the city, we
- 11:33talked about the Impact Investing Institute, which as I
- 11:35said, was set up by the city with the government.
- 11:38So that's public private partnership right there, the
- 11:40British Venture Capital Association, BCVA and Better
- 11:44Society Capital. These are the people that are
- 11:47really driving this forward, right?
- 11:49And there was a big announcement on this front.
- 11:51As I said, it's been going on for for quite some time now, but
- 11:53there's been some really big developments over the past week.
- 11:57Let's hear now from Darren Jones, the private secretary to
- 12:02Keir Starmer. So can I start by saying thank
- 12:06you for everything you've done and for the impact you've had on
- 12:10so many local organisations and through them, the lives of the
- 12:13people they serve. Because for all the good work
- 12:16over many years, the community I now represent in Parliament
- 12:20still has far too few young people being given the chance to
- 12:24succeed in whichever way they wish to.
- 12:27I feel lucky to represent my home in Parliament, but I do not
- 12:30want my story to be exceptional. I want it to be normal.
- 12:36And so my pledge to all of you this evening is I will use what
- 12:39power I have for whatever time I have it to make sure that that's
- 12:43the case in every part. Of our nation because we all
- 12:46know that when governments empower communities,
- 12:48specifically those who know the local area, the people, the
- 12:51problems and the opportunities inside and out people like.
- 12:55You that that's when truly transformative and long lasting
- 12:59change can happen. So last year I set up the Social
- 13:04Impact Investment Advisory Group and that it has today published
- 13:08its report on what government can do to help more.
- 13:11I can assure you that will be taking these recommendations
- 13:14seriously and acting on them within a matter of weeks.
- 13:24So it was Darren Jones, I said private secretary to Keir
- 13:26Starmer, he's actually, sorry, chief secretary to the Prime
- 13:29Minister. He's also the chancellor of the
- 13:30duty of Lancaster. He's had those positions for the
- 13:33past three months. You've been thrust right to the
- 13:35forefront, doing a lot of communication work for the
- 13:38government at the moment. They've got to put him out front
- 13:40because no one wants to see the others talking about anything.
- 13:43So this guy's been leading the charge.
- 13:46He's the MP for Bristol Northwest, been in that position
- 13:48since 2017. Background as a solicitor, when
- 13:51he was at BT as a solicitor, he was on their smart Cities team.
- 13:55Tells you quite a lot about where this is all going to.
- 13:57He's also been receiving quite a bit of impact investing of his
- 14:01own. So if you go to look at the
- 14:02register of interests on the The Gov website, you can see that he
- 14:06just received 44 and a bit grand from Lord Sainsbury, who's been
- 14:11splurging huge amounts of cash on progressive political issues
- 14:15quite some time now. That event, by the way, at
- 14:17Downing St. was running partnership with this
- 14:20organization. She's UK Community Foundations
- 14:23in around for quite a long time, about 50 years.
- 14:26And just worth noting that their president is this guy, Lord
- 14:29Michael Hastings, former top brass at KPMG, World Economic
- 14:33foreign strategic partner, wearing a UNSDG pin in the image
- 14:38there on the right hand side of screen.
- 14:40So again, just tying all these things together, separate
- 14:43organisations, same agenda. This is what's driving state
- 14:47policy right now. Now that event that Darren Jones
- 14:49is speaking out was the launch of this report.
- 14:52So this is mobilising the impact economy as partners in national
- 14:55renewals based on three pillars, organising to mobilise and
- 14:59support the impact economy, embedding the mobilisation
- 15:02mindset into the government and then unlocking resources and
- 15:06participation at scale. This is the total transformation
- 15:09of the state essentially into what they call a market enabler.
- 15:14That's what the government is becoming, a market enabler.
- 15:17Still a regulator, a grant maker, a commissioner, A
- 15:19guarantor. So they're actually going to
- 15:21underwrite private sector risk. That's interesting, isn't it?
- 15:24They even wrote that down. And then finally, an issuer.
- 15:26So they're going to be raising capital through public debt
- 15:28instruments. So this is just PFI spending
- 15:31writ large across the whole of government.
- 15:33Printing money. Printing money, I mean.
- 15:35Yeah. And, and lumbering the tax payer
- 15:37with extraordinary amounts of debt that never gets paid down,
- 15:42overcoming barriers to this new model, whether those are
- 15:47cultural barriers inside the civil service or other bits of
- 15:50government or importantly, just just writing new laws.
- 15:53So if the regulatory environment doesn't allow for it, well,
- 15:55we'll change it, right? We've got to encourage
- 15:57partnerships, not discourage partnerships.
- 16:00This is already a huge business ultimately inside of the state.
- 16:04They've done some work mapping out different levels of
- 16:06investment across the five missions, whether that's kick
- 16:09starting growth, clean energy, safer streets, the NHS, breaking
- 16:14down barriers to opportunity. And that's coming from
- 16:16philanthropy, social investment, institutional impact investment.
- 16:20And they're actually explaining in quite some detail where these
- 16:22funds are coming from and what they're all about.
- 16:25They've developed this model for how they're going to, they call
- 16:28it the staircase model. They're going to go to plant,
- 16:31nurture, establish, grow and mature these initiatives across
- 16:36the whole of government. They've got ways of different
- 16:39ways of cutting up risk and return, different types of
- 16:41financial financial instruments that they're going to use,
- 16:43different participants in the marketplace from ventures to
- 16:46private equity, everything in between different types of
- 16:49support required from government.
- 16:50And all of this is, is based on outcomes.
- 16:52So they'll talk about outcomes based contracts so people can
- 16:55extract value only when they actually deliver the outcome
- 16:58they've signed up for. But what that necessitates is
- 17:01Sandy talked about a couple of months ago actually is total
- 17:04surveillance. So in order to know if they've
- 17:06delivered an outcome, they have to surveil you in order to
- 17:09understand if you can actually then trigger the payment, right?
- 17:11So this is where a lot of that stuff comes in.
- 17:14They're already acting on it. It's rushing ahead.
- 17:16One of the recommendations that was in the report was to set up
- 17:19listing the office for the impact economy.
- 17:23This is housed in the Cabinet Office.
- 17:24You can see at the bottom there, Darren Jones is going to be
- 17:27running it. He's the ministerial lead.
- 17:30And ultimately this is about cross government collaboration.
- 17:33So cutting across all departmental divisions and silos
- 17:37as they talk about them being a front door for institutional
- 17:41capital to come into government to coordinate those
- 17:43relationships, to build capacity and extend the government's
- 17:48ability to to engage with this stuff.
- 17:50While at the same time identifying and supporting new
- 17:53partnerships, building the marketplace proactively for
- 17:57these investors to come in and stop stripping profits out of of
- 18:01government. And importantly, this is a said,
- 18:05this is being run out of Cabinet Office.
- 18:07They have what they call a hub and spoke model.
- 18:09The DCMS are absolutely in the picture.
- 18:11Treasury #10 partnerships, Union unit, the Department of the
- 18:15Business and Trade. They're going to work openly and
- 18:17collaboratively with stakeholders, obviously.
- 18:20And this is about doing government differently, total
- 18:23transformation of the state. This is what the change agenda
- 18:27is all about, impact. Impact and no change actually,
- 18:32because because this is a great example of the Unit party in
- 18:37action. We're talking about the same
- 18:39organizations that were established under the Cameron
- 18:42Tory government. It's being absolutely pursued as
- 18:44hard as it can be by the current Labour regime.
- 18:47What's the difference between them?
- 18:49Nothing. And would it be any different
- 18:51under reform? Absolutely not.
- 18:54Because Paul Marshall is. For for his words, for the, for
- 18:58his words for the city. Yes.
- 19:00And the city's is shaping this, so yeah.
- 19:02OK, Thank you, Ben. OK, let's welcome sadly to the
- 19:06program. And Sunday, of course, the
- 19:08assisted dying bill continues to deliver its way through, excuse
- 19:12the pun, through Parliament at the moment.
- 19:15It's always good to look at what's happening in countries
- 19:17where this policy has been implemented for a number of
- 19:20years and see what's happening there.
- 19:22So bring us up to speed with what's going on in Canada.
- 19:26Yeah, yeah. Good afternoon, Mike and and Ben
- 19:29and indeed everyone. Now, with the research we've all
- 19:32been doing over the last decade or so, we've known that there's
- 19:35been a depopulation agenda ongoing since around the 1970s
- 19:39with the Club of Rome reports and the likes of Bill Gates and
- 19:43Yuval Harari, Klaus Schwab, they've all spoken about it.
- 19:47And also there was the Deagle population forecast for 2025
- 19:50published by the CIA from 2014 to 2020, which I'm sure all of
- 19:55you will know about. Umm, we've, if not, I'll put
- 19:59them in the show notes. We've hoped that this would
- 20:01never happen, but umm, we have to, we have to call it out
- 20:04nonetheless. But according to a recent piece
- 20:07in in the Sage Journal of Death and Dying published by the
- 20:10Health Canada, umm, they now lay bare a cost saving exercise and
- 20:15it's so cold and extreme. It's really hard to believe that
- 20:18they published it openly, to be honest.
- 20:21Umm as Canadian veteran Kelsey Sharon highlighted, the analysis
- 20:26claims that. From uh 2027 to 2047, the
- 20:30Canadian government will save 1273 trillion not through
- 20:35breakthroughs in medicine or better care, but by ending
- 20:38lives. More than 14,000,000 Canadians
- 20:42at their own data, you know, as their own data shows, are
- 20:45expected to be disposed of through medical assistance in
- 20:49dying or made as they call it, rather than receiving palliative
- 20:52care, mental health support or actual help.
- 20:55So that's, you know, the, the staggering amount is 14.7
- 20:59million human beings killed by the state.
- 21:03Now let's hear what Kelsey Sharon, she's a veteran
- 21:07campaigner in Canada and she what she says about this.
- 21:13So the Journal of Death and Dying recently this year of
- 21:162025, came out and expressed what Health Canada's plans look
- 21:19like to do to save money. They are on track starting 2027
- 21:24to 2047 to save $1.273 trillion by providing 14.7 million
- 21:31Canadians with MAID rather than palliative care.
- 21:34What was that #14.7 million Canadians?
- 21:39Over 9 million of those are projected to be elderly.
- 21:42Over 4 million of those are projected to be the mentally ill
- 21:44and suicidal. Over 300,000 of those are
- 21:47projected to be the indigenous population and then everyone
- 21:51else, addicts, homeless and otherwise.
- 21:53So Canada's running eugenics program and they're planning to
- 21:56expand that with the start of mentally ill only qualification
- 22:00in 2027. And for those that are find
- 22:03those stats as disgusting as I do, you can go check out the on
- 22:08the Sage Journal or the Death Journal of Death and Dying.
- 22:10They break it all down for you. They go through the numbers.
- 22:12We've also done it on the series as well. 9 million of these
- 22:21deaths are forecast to be the elderly, the people who built
- 22:23the country, parents, grandparents.
- 22:25Another 4 million of people suffering from mental illness,
- 22:29depression or suicidal thoughts. Exactly the people who need
- 22:32compassion and treatment. 300,000 are projected to be
- 22:36indigenous and the rest are discarded.
- 22:39Discarded of society, the poor, the addicts and the homeless.
- 22:43This depopulation agenda is wearing it's, it's kind of
- 22:46wearing the the mask of being somehow health reform.
- 22:51It's also the same ideology that drove the last century's
- 22:54euthanasia programmes and the belief that some lives cost too
- 22:58much and aren't worth living. And it's funded by the taxpayer.
- 23:01I mean, I can't believe they've got it all sewn up.
- 23:05It isn't stopping at Canada's borders either.
- 23:07The same conversation is unfolding across the rest of the
- 23:10Western world from the UKNH processes build their End of
- 23:15Life Cost Management Bill is openly discussed and the US
- 23:20think tanks pushing optimised death as a budget strategy.
- 23:24A narrative is being seeded everywhere that euthanasia is
- 23:27empowerment or some form of dignity, when in fact it's a
- 23:31system itself that created the despair and the poverty and the
- 23:34mental illness. The powerful have effectively
- 23:38declared open season on on the vulnerable.
- 23:41Our UK assisted dying bill reached its committee stage in
- 23:45Parliament last week, Friday the 14th of November.
- 23:48Will we go the same direction as Canada where it appears to be an
- 23:51open movement to kill people? It's up to us to campaign our
- 23:54local MPs and make a noise about this.
- 23:57So I really think our MPs don't understand what's going on at
- 23:59all. Now we've, we've also got coming
- 24:04up this at the moment is the Public Authorities Fraud, Error
- 24:09and Recovery Bill, which also also moved to the committee
- 24:12stage last week where it's sort of ping pongs around before it
- 24:16goes to Royal Assent. Now this is all linked.
- 24:19There's been some opposition to this by MPs where there's,
- 24:24there's a Lib Dem MP called John Miller who, who's the, I think
- 24:30he's the MP for Horsham and what he has to say about, about
- 24:34what's what's going on. And he says, yeah, he said
- 24:39everyone accepts that we need to keep a handle on fraud, but the
- 24:42powers being taken in the bill gives the DWP access to people's
- 24:47private bank accounts. Now what he's worried about is
- 24:50that this could actually 'cause people to take their own lives
- 24:55and it has done in the past. So what, what he's what he's
- 24:59saying is, is, is, is he's got very grave concerns and a lot of
- 25:03the MPs do. And I think we really have to
- 25:05push this, that in fact this is this, this is a bit, you know,
- 25:09this is definitely dodgy. Umm, so the government repeats
- 25:13the same lines. We're only targeting benefit
- 25:15fraudsters. That's nonsense.
- 25:17The bill covers fraud, error, debt and overpayments, which
- 25:20usually is errors by the DWP. Yet banks will be forced to hand
- 25:24over people's financial data to simply check avail, you know,
- 25:27sort of the eligibility. Now, once that precedence in
- 25:33place, once banks and government systems are wired together, it
- 25:36never goes away. And then comes the most chilling
- 25:39part, direct deduction payments. The government will be able to
- 25:42reach into your bank account and take money if you dispute the
- 25:45debt. We already know where this
- 25:47leads. Disabled people who've been
- 25:49hounded over DWP errors in the past and push deeper into
- 25:53despair. Coroners have explicitly linked
- 25:56DWP actions to suicides. Now there's a campaigner called
- 25:59Liz Liz and she's campaigns for the disabled and she warned MPs
- 26:06and peers that the care funding crisis will create pressure to
- 26:10those to who might want to choose assisted suicide as a as
- 26:15a way of getting out of it. And I think we could listen to
- 26:19her now what she says about all this.
- 26:25DPAC and every other disability rights organization says no to
- 26:30assisted dying, or as we call it, assisted suicide.
- 26:35We live in a world that sees disabled people as better off
- 26:40dead than disabled. When you're living in a world
- 26:44with attitudes like that, it is not safe to legalize making it
- 26:49easier for certain groups of people to have a medically
- 26:53assisted death. Until our demands are met, our
- 26:57core demands for an inclusive and Equitable Life for all
- 27:03disabled, ill, and older people, for all people, in fact, we
- 27:08can't even consider legalizing assisted suicide.
- 27:12It is not safe. This is not, by the way, a bunch
- 27:16of religious people saying let's not change the law.
- 27:20This is a group of disabled people, many of us, who've
- 27:24considered this subject with great concern.
- 27:28And we know it is dangerous to legalize and change the law and
- 27:32to remove the legal protection that currently exists around
- 27:37assisted suicide. We demand this government does
- 27:41not legalize assisted suicide. For terminally ill people, ill
- 27:46people, disabled people. Now we only need to look at
- 27:53Canada to see the end game. Disabled people quietly steered
- 27:56towards state approved death because they've been deemed too
- 27:59costly to support. And that's what happens when
- 28:02governments governments begin to weigh human life in purely
- 28:05financial terms. Benefit claimants are simply the
- 28:09testing ground. Once this system is operational,
- 28:12it will expand to taxes, fines, carbon rationing, energy use and
- 28:16whatever future governments consider necessary.
- 28:19This is the thin end of the wedge.
- 28:21If we don't stop it now, the vulnerable will suffer first and
- 28:24the rest of us will wake up to a world where the state access our
- 28:28finances. And it isn't, you know,
- 28:30exceptional or limited. It's permanent.
- 28:33All the details of of this will be in the show notes back to
- 28:37you. Sandy, thank you very much for
- 28:39that. OK, let's move on.
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- 29:34And of course, we'll be back for the news on Wednesday as well,
- 29:381:00 PM as usual. But in the meantime, let's get
- 29:41on with some other matters. And well, Diane, over the last
- 29:47couple of weeks, we've been talking about the increasing,
- 29:51how do we describe it, desperation among certain people
- 29:56that they're not being believed and their agendas are not being
- 29:59accepted by people. And this applies equally within
- 30:04the climate science community. And they're very concerned, it
- 30:08seems, about disinformation. Yes, Mike.
- 30:12Hello Ben, Sandy and everyone. Glad to be here.
- 30:15Glad to be here today to give you this report on what's been
- 30:18going on at COP 30, which is still ongoing.
- 30:21This actually follows up a little bit, starting with the
- 30:24disinformation segment that Mike and Charles did back on the 7th
- 30:27of November, talking about the UK statements at the UN 4th
- 30:31Committee by Letitia Loonen when she said that the UK is indeed
- 30:35deeply concerned by the growing threats to information
- 30:38integrity. Now, first of all, let's define
- 30:40what information integrity means according to the UN.
- 30:43It's not my definition necessarily as a librarian of 25
- 30:47years, but the UN defined it last year as existing.
- 30:50Quote. Where freedom of expression is
- 30:53fully enjoyed and where accurate, reliable information
- 30:57free from discrimination and hate is available to all in an
- 31:02open, inclusive, safe and secure information environment.
- 31:07So at COP 30 last Wednesday, the 12th of November was Information
- 31:11Integrity Day and let's watch this lightheart YouTube video
- 31:15that was played through to show what they think they mean by
- 31:19information integrity. What is the most absurd thing
- 31:24that you've ever heard on social media about climate change?
- 31:27That the ice in the Antarctic and Arc is not decreasing but
- 31:32increasing. I think that the most crazy
- 31:34thing I've ever heard is that it's OK that our plan is dying
- 31:37because there's other plans that we can live.
- 31:39Today is Information Integrity Day here at COP.
- 31:43This information about climate change is spreading faster than
- 31:47ever, fueling myths and misconceptions about the climate
- 31:52crisis and the solutions to address it.
- 31:55Because tackling climate disinformation has never been
- 31:58more important, and to learn how to address it, we asked
- 32:03Charlotte Skadden to share her insights.
- 32:07I'm Charlotte Skadden, and I'm Senior Advisor on Information
- 32:10Integrity at the United Nations. We're all targeted.
- 32:13By climate disinformation in one way or another and anyone who
- 32:16uses online spaces has come across climate disinformation
- 32:19there are many different tactics used to try and undermine
- 32:22climate action in information spaces and they range.
- 32:25From. Classic disinformation, denial
- 32:28of climate change to disinformation around solutions.
- 32:32So we need all hands on deck to address climate information and
- 32:35threats to climate information integrity.
- 32:37And that includes governments, it includes tech platforms and
- 32:40companies, it includes civil society, it includes
- 32:43advertisers. It's really important that we
- 32:46try and empower ourselves to recognise it when we see it and
- 32:50to share that information with others.
- 32:52You might also be targeted by it.
- 32:54Fighting climate disinformation starts with knowing the facts
- 32:58and sharing them. Together, we can make truth go
- 33:01viral. So great to make truth go viral.
- 33:10All right, well, we like you look at a range of press
- 33:13releases related to what they said at the UN.
- 33:16But first let's look at this ex post where basically they're
- 33:20saying this is what they're going to be doing.
- 33:22This is a landmark declaration. All of the press releases and
- 33:25tweets. And so that I've seen about this
- 33:27has been saying that essentially this is the first time that this
- 33:31has been an important thing at COP at a COP conference, The
- 33:35very first time actually for information integrity at any COP
- 33:38conference. Some of the other press releases
- 33:41that the UN has put out about this has said this is the age of
- 33:45disinformation, which I would probably agree with in certain
- 33:49ways. This again saying about the wave
- 33:52of truth, the COP of truth, which is on the the next press
- 33:56release, which is again from the UN saying that it is now
- 33:59targeting disinformation as a threat to climate action.
- 34:02So again, obviously the science is out.
- 34:04The consensus all says, well, it's all just, you know, we need
- 34:08this information because we all now know that we have to do
- 34:10absolutely everything apparently according to all scientists
- 34:14everywhere. So let's look at this next
- 34:16video, which was part of that ex post pay potential.
- 34:20If you look at the tie on the the first person that appears,
- 34:24you'll see a very sustainable development pattern on the tie.
- 34:28Let's take a look at this. For a few years now, several
- 34:34global risk reports, for example, the Davos World
- 34:38Economic Forum Global reports of risks.
- 34:42They put as global risk number one in this planet, not climate
- 34:46change or climate disasters, but disinformation, Global risk
- 34:50number one and global risk number 2 is actually climate
- 34:54change. Purveyors of climate
- 35:04disinformation don't simply deny climate change.
- 35:08They undermine climate action by attacking researchers,
- 35:11scientists and journalists personally by questioning the
- 35:15scientific consensus around climate change and creating
- 35:18false narratives around climate solutions.
- 35:21And and they're also seeking to skew the perceptions of policy
- 35:24makers of of the people here negotiating.
- 35:26So for many years we have been trying to raise awareness or
- 35:31sound the alarms that this interaction between information
- 35:37integrity and climate change is absolutely vital for both
- 35:43fields, for the field of information integrity, but also
- 35:46for the field of climate change and those two crucial issues,
- 35:49they depend on each other, they need to interact more.
- 35:57So you can see the full press conference that some of that was
- 36:00based on, including the the lady wearing the Sustainable
- 36:02Development Goals pin Charlotte and some of the other people in
- 36:06that press conference said things like, quote,
- 36:08disinformation and denialism undermine trust in science and
- 36:12institutions. It feeds and fuels hate speech
- 36:15and extremism. Some of the questions that came
- 36:19up in the full press conference, I watched the whole thing so
- 36:21that the viewers don't have to, but some of the questions came
- 36:24from example from the Guardian who when a reporter asked why
- 36:27are the fossil fuel lobbyists present and basically what can
- 36:30we do about these lobbyists that have been present here at this
- 36:33particular COP conference. It's important to note as well
- 36:37that this all goes back to the UN Global Digital Compact, which
- 36:41was released in September of 2024.
- 36:44Paragraph 35 E states quote encourage United Nations
- 36:48entities in collaboration with governments and relevant
- 36:50stakeholders to assess the impact of misinformation and
- 36:54disinformation on the achievement of the Sustainable
- 36:57Development Goals or SGG 17. SGG 17 is partnerships for the
- 37:02goals, and this basically talks about how the goals are
- 37:05accomplished through various sources of funding and
- 37:08organizations. I'll come back to how this is
- 37:10done at the end of my report, but I just want to remind
- 37:13viewers that essentially, if you hear the word sustainable within
- 37:16the context of the Sustainable Development Goals, it really
- 37:19means unsustainable. It's all an inversion of
- 37:22language. Now, how is this done,
- 37:25particularly through UNESCO and other organizations?
- 37:28UNESCO is the one who has published what they've called
- 37:30the Global Initiative for Information Integrity on Climate
- 37:33Change. So what we see here is from
- 37:36their website talking about COP 30 in particular, they have
- 37:40several documents. This COP 30 document talks about
- 37:43exactly what they're going to be doing here and how it's going to
- 37:46be done. That basically they have signed
- 37:47this declaration, which I'm going to cover here in just a
- 37:50minute. It's all about how to fight the,
- 37:52as they're calling it, catastrophic global heating.
- 37:56And this is being sabotaged the by a surge of climate
- 37:59disinformation. And so these falsehoods are
- 38:02getting in the way of stopping all this apparent global boiling
- 38:06that is going on. So before November this year,
- 38:10earlier this summer, they put out a call to action for this
- 38:15initiative for information integrity and climate change,
- 38:17asking for individuals and organizations to come forward to
- 38:21come up with solutions on how to fight this apparent problem.
- 38:25It says through a global fund and through various ways of
- 38:30getting this funded and sourced that this is what we need.
- 38:34So they're looking for organizations are looking for
- 38:37money, they're looking for various things and how they can
- 38:39get this actually going into play.
- 38:43And once again, you could apply to, to contribute to this.
- 38:47Apparently the, the applications are not closed.
- 38:49So I wasn't able to see what it was that they were actually
- 38:52looking for. I would have loved to see the
- 38:54application form, but unfortunately that's no longer
- 38:58available on that website as well.
- 39:00They, they talked about this initiative at the COP of Truth,
- 39:04which was directly from this taken from this website.
- 39:08And this was really interesting because it said you can read
- 39:11more about the unprecedented prominence of IT information
- 39:14integrity at COP 30. Now, apparently before Cop 30, I
- 39:19don't know if the first 29 Cops did not care about integral
- 39:22information, but this is now a a very important point here in Cop
- 39:2630. So we can't really speak exactly
- 39:29to what was going on there. But the call to action again is
- 39:32talking about here's what we have to do, here's what we need,
- 39:35here are the people that we need to have to be able to
- 39:38contribute. So what happened at the November
- 39:42conference last week? Well, we now, as a result of the
- 39:45call to action and as a result of this now being the cop of
- 39:49truth, there was an open letter signed talking about this
- 39:53declaration on information integrity.
- 39:55So the open letter was signed by 134 organizations, including the
- 40:01Club of Rome at the University of Leeds, for an example of an
- 40:04academic partner, Extinction Rebellion, and 127 individuals,
- 40:09which of course included Sandrine Dixon, exactly the
- 40:12president of the Club of Rome, and many others.
- 40:15And this information about the declaration was saying,
- 40:19basically here are here are the ways that we're going to do it.
- 40:22We are going to do research. We are going to share practical
- 40:25tools, policies, communications, advertising campaigns.
- 40:29Of course, we have to have the the propaganda campaigns,
- 40:32trusted voices and influencers, media sustainability, protecting
- 40:37journalists, activists, communicators, scientists,
- 40:40protecting data, data sets, transparency of placement data
- 40:45information, digital literacy related to climate change in
- 40:49particular, and of course, donating financial resources to
- 40:52UNESCO's Global Fund for Information Integrity on Climate
- 40:55Change. And according to this, Antonio
- 40:58Guterres, the UN Secretary General, said that, quote, we
- 41:01must fight the coordinated disinformation campaigns
- 41:04impeding global progress on climate change.
- 41:08So that's the open letter, if we go into the actual declaration
- 41:10statements. And it says it's drafted by the
- 41:12members of the committee of this initiative for information
- 41:16integrity on climate change. And it basically says, well, as
- 41:20a result of the Global Digital Compact from 2024 Summit of the
- 41:23future and looking at these global principles for
- 41:26information integrity, we now, quote, reaffirm our shared
- 41:30responsibility to ensure that societies around the world are
- 41:33empowered with the knowledge and information they need to act
- 41:36urgently and decisively in the face of the climate crisis.
- 41:40So I went to look at this global Fund to see exactly how much
- 41:44they were looking to fund and what they were going to do about
- 41:46it. So this is from one of the UN
- 41:48websites saying that since their launch in June 2025, they had
- 41:53received 447 proposals from nearly 100 countries.
- 41:58So this might not be entirely up to date.
- 42:00It could be more by now. And they're saying that the role
- 42:03of the funding is to uphold the integrity of information related
- 42:07to climate change and calls on funders to donate this fund and
- 42:11support projects that promote information integrity locally,
- 42:13nationally and internationally. And it will contribute again, as
- 42:17I said, through search funding, investigative journalism,
- 42:20strategic work, communications, advocacy, cooperation with
- 42:23organizations, carrying out related activities, which of
- 42:26course goes back to SDG 17 partnerships for the goals.
- 42:30This is how it's all going to be done.
- 42:33So I'd like to say as UK columns, librarian and
- 42:35information correspondence, that after 25 years in the library
- 42:39field, I, I was, you know, I was really important to me to hold
- 42:42the line to make sure that the basic principles of
- 42:44librarianship and information access were provided.
- 42:47Everything is available. But what they're doing here is
- 42:50obviously only pushing the things that the UN wants them to
- 42:53push. And so if we look here at what
- 42:55they have been doing in the Internet International
- 42:57Federation for Library Associations and Institutions,
- 42:59which is an organization I used to belong to, I used to have an
- 43:03elected role in this organization.
- 43:04Actually, their press release from the 10th of November said
- 43:08COP 30 begins. Culture adaptation and
- 43:10information integrity are key themes for the library field.
- 43:14So how are they contributing according to this press release?
- 43:17Well, one is the state of library engagement and climate
- 43:19communication and education. This report was funded by the
- 43:23Gates Foundation. It basically said that now
- 43:26libraries are contributing more to sustainability event, to
- 43:29climate action, and so they need to be doing more on the climate
- 43:31side. They said they would be
- 43:33contributing to the global goal on adaptation.
- 43:35So specifically here around how the cultural heritage sector
- 43:39contributes to sustainable development goals, the Paris
- 43:42Agreement, and of course, as always, the importance of equity
- 43:45and inclusion. And so this is how it's going to
- 43:48be done through the Action Agenda, which is one of the top
- 43:5030 documents which we've talked about as well.
- 43:54And they're contributing to this in different ways, including
- 43:57contributing to a collaborative plan to accelerate solutions
- 44:01that will explore narratives and storytelling as catalyst for
- 44:05climate action. So that's the way I guess
- 44:07libraries can contribute and helping libraries around the
- 44:11world adapt and build resilience to the changing climate.
- 44:15Now, they did also contribute to the UN global Principles for
- 44:17Information Integrity, which they were very proud of.
- 44:20And they said that these principles quote responded to
- 44:24concerns about governments themselves sharing
- 44:26misinformation. The quote info Demic experienced
- 44:30during the COVID-19 quote pandemic.
- 44:34Those are my quotes. Why are worries about how the
- 44:36way Internet platforms themselves risked accelerating
- 44:38the spread of fake news and growing awareness to the real
- 44:41world impacts of online hate speech.
- 44:44Now the human global principles themselves for information
- 44:47integrity are is another document and these will all be
- 44:50available in the show notes. But basically there are five
- 44:54points that they are using that are these principles.
- 44:57So one is societal trust and resilience.
- 45:01You'll get the role of platforms and acting in trustworthy ways,
- 45:05healthy incentives, looking at business models that favour
- 45:08click bait, public empowerment with some references to digital
- 45:12literacy and enabling people to exercise choice when choosing
- 45:16platforms. Which is great news for UK
- 45:18column to have Choice, Transparency in research.
- 45:22And finally, Independent, Free and Pluralistic Media, which
- 45:26discusses the need to resist restrictions to press freedom,
- 45:29support independent journalism and the need for ethical conduct
- 45:32within the press. So Mike, maybe this is some good
- 45:35news for UK column after all. Perhaps so.
- 45:39Perhaps so. OK, Well, thank you for that,
- 45:41Diane. Ben, let's move on then for the
- 45:45capture of young minds. And maybe that's a related topic
- 45:48actually. It's absolutely a related topic
- 45:50because even with infinite wealth and power, their
- 45:54narrative is falling to pieces it would seem.
- 45:59So the last roll of the dice is to get hold of the minds of
- 46:03young people and make sure that they don't listen to
- 46:05disinformation and they are democratically resilient in all
- 46:09of these awful terms that we keep hearing from these people.
- 46:13But let's hear quickly now about a new report from Demos looking
- 46:19inside the mind of a 16 year old.
- 46:23From Manchester. They're both with me now and
- 46:25what they find out may surprise you.
- 46:27So can I start with you, this great odyssey?
- 46:30What did you learn that surprised you?
- 46:33The biggest surprise was the difference between the moral
- 46:35panic that we see online and what we did that we saw during
- 46:38our DES research phase, and the reality the moral panic around
- 46:42young people not believing in democracy is simply not true.
- 46:44They do believe in democracy. And they want to preserve it,
- 46:47but they're looking for powerful messages that I've done
- 46:49correctly. But the fact that they're
- 46:51brainwashed by Andrew Tate, simply not true.
- 46:53Every time we mention Andrew Tate's name in a classroom, they
- 46:56laughed us off. They're not.
- 46:58They're aware of some of his messages, but they know the hard
- 47:00reality. This fact that they're
- 47:02brainwashed by the algorithm, They're impacted by it, but
- 47:06they're curious and they're thoughtful and they know what
- 47:08they want and they know what they want to hear, and they'll
- 47:10look for good voices. This is remarkably cheering.
- 47:13I wasn't expecting a cheerful conversation at this time in the
- 47:16evening. What kinds of things do you if
- 47:18you're a politician, what kinds of things should you be thinking
- 47:21about more when you focus on younger people?
- 47:23Be honest, be direct and cut the BS essentially, and meet them
- 47:28where they are. If you do meet them where they
- 47:30are, you can, you'll see incredible.
- 47:32Like what Zach Polanski is doing right now is incredibly
- 47:34interesting. He's got a podcast, he's really
- 47:36active on TikTok, he's bringing on really interesting American
- 47:39names like Hassan Abbey, who's very popular on the left, left
- 47:42side of American politics. And we need to see something
- 47:45similar like that from, in my personal opinion, from Labour
- 47:49and, and yeah, and just clearly show your values and clearly
- 47:52tell a story. I will just say then the lip
- 47:56sync there was was their issue, not ours.
- 47:58That was their issue, yes. I accept no responsibility for
- 48:01that. So, but we thought we wanted
- 48:02people to hear the clip. Actually, it's quite interesting
- 48:04to get a sense of what the liberal progressive political
- 48:08classes inside the M25 are desperately trying to find out
- 48:11about, which is what's going on with 16 year olds.
- 48:13Obviously they've just been given the vote that's kind of
- 48:16forthcoming. So this is a crucial
- 48:18constituency and it was all relating to this report.
- 48:22We can get that on screen inside the mind of a 16 year old.
- 48:25From Andrew Tate to Bonnie Blue to Nigel Farage, what the first
- 48:28time voters think about social media, politics, the state of
- 48:30Britain and their futures. The references here are just so
- 48:34obvious. Andrew Tate, Bonnie Blue, Nigel
- 48:37Farage, what do you think of these things?
- 48:39And actually, it turns out the 16 year olds are not idiots.
- 48:42They're not idiots Like the people who work at Demos are
- 48:45clearly idiots and the people that go to Demos events are
- 48:48idiots, right? They're much more sophisticated
- 48:50than people. Give me credit for this report.
- 48:54We just nip it to look at Polly Curtis, the the chief executive
- 48:58of Demos, talking about the fact he came from Peter Hyman, who
- 49:01was a political strategist for Tony Blair and Keir Starmer.
- 49:03So gives you a sense of where this is coming from.
- 49:05He didn't speak in that video. That was the chap Shuab Gamotti,
- 49:10who she just calls us black. I hate racial categorisation.
- 49:14It's just so crude, right? But that's what these people are
- 49:16like. They go Gen.
- 49:18Z, you all think this and black, you all think this.
- 49:21And then when it doesn't turn out to be the case, they they
- 49:23don't know what's going on, right?
- 49:25And this is all about power ultimately and building
- 49:30democratic resilience in this age group to make sure that they
- 49:34don't fall out of this democratic system that people
- 49:39like Polly Curtis are really keen on.
- 49:42And I'd actually recommend going to have a read of the report is
- 49:46quite well done piece of work. My main takeaways from me were
- 49:51the first of all, there's no such thing as Gen.
- 49:52Z. Like it's obviously a lot more
- 49:53complicated than that. You're talking about that two or
- 49:56three generations of people right now, as I said, 16 year
- 50:00olds are not idiots. Some young women are very
- 50:02disengaged. Some other young women are
- 50:04completely terrorised by the world at the moment and they
- 50:07want to burn the whole thing down, start again.
- 50:10And they they they in brutalised and misinformed in a really
- 50:14malicious way. And young men in particular are
- 50:17questioning the narrative. And they're doing that with
- 50:19various levels of varying levels of patriotism, which was quite
- 50:24encouraging, to be honest with you, which tells me that Demos
- 50:27and this crowd have got a big problem on their hands.
- 50:31And just a very final quick note about the provenance of the
- 50:34reporting, That chap that was speaking just there, Shurab
- 50:39Gamotti, he actually is employed by this organization, which is
- 50:44the Future Governance Forum, whose job they see is reforming
- 50:47the state. And again, this links directly
- 50:49back to what I was talking about earlier in my first report.
- 50:53And they are backed by, amongst others, Amazon, the British
- 50:57Venture Capital Association, who I did speak about earlier,
- 51:00William Perrin and Francesca Sainsbury.
- 51:03So the Sainsbury's family, again, they're all over this
- 51:06space at the moment. And then also Vanguard, one of
- 51:08the biggest asset managers in the world.
- 51:10So these are the people funding this activity in order to
- 51:13understand what 16 year olds are thinking about so that they can
- 51:17sneak whatever their agenda items are on any particularly
- 51:21given day pass and when it comes to the next election.
- 51:24Yeah, OK. Thanks and for that.
- 51:26Now let's move on then to to 5G. Now as some may be aware,
- 51:31there's still no real 5G infrastructure rolled out in the
- 51:35UK yet. What we have at this point is an
- 51:37enhancement of 4G which is branded as 5G.
- 51:40This is because very major part of the 5G roll out wasn't yet
- 51:44licensed. I'm referring to the really high
- 51:47frequency component of the technology known as millimetre
- 51:49wave spectrum. And before any of the telecoms
- 51:53companies could begin building out this capability, they have
- 51:55to pay money. Or they had to pay money via an
- 51:58auction process run by Ofcom, which aside from being the chief
- 52:01sensor here in the UK, is also regulating the telecoms
- 52:04industry, including who can use which frequencies on the radio
- 52:07spectrum. So Ofcom announced the final
- 52:11auction results on the 24th of October this year were three
- 52:15winners, EO 2 and Vodafone 3 each paid Ofcom 13,000,000 lbs
- 52:21for the right to use 800 megabytes, 800 megahertz bands
- 52:26of the 26 gigahertz band and 800, I'm sorry, one gigahertz of
- 52:31the 40 gigahertz band. So Virgin Media O2 already has
- 52:382000 small cells deployed, but not none of these have this
- 52:42capability yet. They can be have have millimetre
- 52:46wave technology deployed on them.
- 52:48Now they are going to be aiming to get those into stadiums,
- 52:52arenas, transport hubs, it's all mainly towns and cities related
- 52:58what they call high density populations and so on.
- 53:01EE has around just over 1000 small cells so far which they
- 53:05can deploy this in and they're also looking at the same types
- 53:09of venues for their infrastructure and so on.
- 53:12And so it goes on. They Ofcom themselves in this
- 53:16technical frequency assessment criteria for shared access radio
- 53:19services, which is one of the documents that governs this roll
- 53:22out. I said that the license terms
- 53:24and conditions will have a requirement for equipment to
- 53:27start transmitting within six months of the license being
- 53:30issued and continue to be operational afterwards.
- 53:32The spectrum is not used in this time frame.
- 53:35Ofcom. Ofcom may revoke the licence
- 53:37within one month's notice. So that'd be great.
- 53:40You paid £13 million and if you don't manage to get your gear
- 53:44rolled out quickly enough, they can revoke the licence
- 53:47afterwards. Now Open Signal here is
- 53:51commenting on this and they're saying 5G millimetre wave.
- 53:54The UK auction is over, but where's the action?
- 53:57And they're making the point that actually even in countries
- 54:00where that are much further ahead than Britain is, the
- 54:03amount of millimetre wave technology that's been rolled
- 54:06out so far is extremely small. So in the in Australia it's 0.1%
- 54:11of all the mobile telecoms gear. In Japan it's 0.7% and in the
- 54:16USA it's 0.3%. And they're asking why is that?
- 54:21And one of the key reasons is because none of the telephone
- 54:25manufacturers have really rolled this out in their handset yet
- 54:28because this is quite a a step up from the current radio
- 54:33equipment that they have in their telephones.
- 54:36So not even high end iPhones in many countries have this.
- 54:41Only in the United States and one or two other sales regions
- 54:45do they have this this technology at this point.
- 54:48So anyway, we're at the beginning of this, at this of
- 54:51this situation. Just want to remind everybody
- 54:55that some time ago we held a symposium, an expose on 5G, if
- 55:00you haven't seen this on the UK column website, if you want more
- 55:02background on this, please do go and have a look at the various
- 55:07presentations there. It was very interesting and it's
- 55:11worth your effort if you want to oppose this.
- 55:14But obviously, we are at the beginning of a process.
- 55:17Now that the auction is complete, we're going to see
- 55:20this gear starting to be rolled out because the companies have
- 55:23to roll it out in some capacity over the next six months.
- 55:27So keep an eye out for that. OK, let's come back then to
- 55:31Sandy. And what's the latest Sandy on
- 55:34solar farms in the UK? I was I want to thank a
- 55:40gentleman called Mark Saxby from Wiltshire, who sent me this this
- 55:45campaign. You know, that's a stop the line
- 55:49down solar farm in Wiltshire. And actually if if we could have
- 55:53the the slide just. Before that, sorry, that's
- 55:56that's that's my mistake, Sandy, you'll get you'll get that at
- 55:59the end. So.
- 56:00We'll get that at the end. No, that's great.
- 56:01No, that's good. Yeah.
- 56:03I mean this. I couldn't believe the size of
- 56:05this thing. I mean, it's absolutely huge.
- 56:07It's a 3 3000 acre facility and it's proposed by Island Green
- 56:13Power, a Bermuda registered company 100% owned by an
- 56:17Australian venture Capital Group called Macquarie.
- 56:21That's MAQUARIE, which I I will be looking into, but I didn't
- 56:27quite have time to do it today. But this solar farm is massive.
- 56:31I mean, it's so huge. And if we just move on, I want
- 56:36to go through these slides. Yeah, obviously they've got a
- 56:38barrister on it. They think they'll probably get
- 56:40it turned down. But the trouble is that that
- 56:43this bonkers Ed Miliband could override it with his bonkers
- 56:48renewable acceleration programme because that's what's happening.
- 56:53You know, this has happened with with several of these solar farm
- 56:57applications. They've been turned down, but
- 56:59he's been able to override it. Now these solar farms are, this
- 57:02isn't an isolated incident. There's huge ones being prepared
- 57:06all over our country, all the planning applications.
- 57:09Now they're huge. The tracking panels have motors
- 57:12which allow them to follow the sun and they make a noise, so
- 57:15they need deep foundations. These things, umm, and if we
- 57:19just keep moving, moving on through, and I'll just comment
- 57:21in each one because I know we're short of time E umm, each of
- 57:24these, umm, they have the battery energy storage as well,
- 57:28which is a huge fire hazard Chief, uh, fire chiefs all over
- 57:31the country are really worried about these because when they do
- 57:34burst into flames, which they do quite frequently, it take they,
- 57:38they actually can't put the fires out.
- 57:40So, uh, and, and each one is 4 times the size of a shipping
- 57:43container. And they've also got these
- 57:45enormous, umm, uh, these, this infrastructure that's going in,
- 57:49uh, one of these is a place called Hullavington, which is
- 57:53right next to the solar panel farm.
- 57:55But the, the amount of infrastructure, as you can see,
- 57:58is absolutely enormous. So if we just keep going through
- 58:01the slides, yeah. Now this is interesting.
- 58:04This is the international comparisons.
- 58:06The UK is the world's third largest food importer after
- 58:09China and Japan. We import 46% of our food.
- 58:13Other European countries take more care of their agricultural
- 58:16land. Now this is the worry.
- 58:18It's actually taking up prime agricultural land.
- 58:21No, in France, no solar panels on agricultural land for export
- 58:24to the grid. That all the large car parks are
- 58:28covered with the solar panels so they're using built existing
- 58:31buildings. In Germany, solar panels are
- 58:33strictly controlled and limited. And in Italy large scale solar
- 58:37on agricultural, agricultural land is prohibited.
- 58:39But we're just using up all our wonderful agricultural land with
- 58:43all this stuff. Now what's interesting is I, I
- 58:46want to thank Bannerman for this particular slide and Cassie from
- 58:50the Residents Association, the National Residents Association,
- 58:53because it, it really makes you see how much of our land is
- 58:57being taken up by all this, all this infrastructure.
- 59:02And the yellow ones are the solar panels, the blue ones are
- 59:06the wind panels, and the purple ones are the battery energy,
- 59:09energy storage facilities. Now, all this is, is going to
- 59:13take up vast amounts of energy, vast amounts of water, and it's
- 59:17going to destroy our, our, our farmland.
- 59:19So I've put in the show notes, you know, ways to, you know, the
- 59:24whole campaign and how you can, how you can oppose it.
- 59:28So we need to fight about this because this is our food
- 59:31security. Thank you.
- 59:33Thanks, Sandy. And we'll just we'll just very
- 59:35quickly put the the slide up for stop lying down the campaign
- 59:40here so that people can see that we'll talk a lot about that and
- 59:45extra. I'm quite sure we've got lots of
- 59:47other stuff to talk about as well.
- 59:49So well, that's it for today. I'm going to say thank you very
- 59:52much to Diane, Sandy and Ben for joining me today and for you for
- 59:56watching. We'll be back in a few minutes
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